Whose gonna buy one of these?


http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/news/2008/02/goldmund_introd.php


Woops. Its under $20K. Does it quality for this forum? HA!

And I beat Cinemax to the punch. He typically is first to announce this sort of stuff!

From the Goldmund website.... http://www.goldmund.com/news/
"The new player can play DVD and CD's in addition to the Blu-Ray discs. But the standard of these is not up to the level encountered in the other players of the company and that its design aimed at improving the BD disks in priority"

Given what they say about the quality of the rest of the player, I'm disheartend.
The Eidos 20BD Blu is only a player in their "High End" line to begin with, hence the under $20,000 tag. It seems they'll need a Blu player of the Eidos 36A/D "Ultimate" line and over $20,000 before it can do more then one thing really great!

I guess I'll wait to see, what I expect will be a modified Esoteric DV60 Blu.
I have no doubt they'll also use the same Pioneer parts but come in at maybe half of what is required to be on this forum but would hope the old parts of the machine play just as well as the new Blu part for 6-10g's less then Goldmund, so we might get to go back to a single player once more.

A machine that does all the things it's supposed to do...WELL!!!
Is that too much to ask for?

And whose internals did they take out this time and put into a new box?

Isn't it amazing just how quick they came out with a Blu Ray player right after
Toshiba declared HD DVD dead? What a fantastic design team they have to design their new Blu Ray player in a matter of less than several weeks!!!

So did you order it already Steve??:)

I'm sure we can expect more of what's like below from that stellar innovator, Goldmund.

http://www.eden-audio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=222&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

As far as Steve's astute observation about their rapid introduction they undoubtably had something like a Toshiba and Sony guts prepped by their design team. Kind of like it didn't matter who won the SuperBowl because the shirts and hats were already in the works.

And whose internals did they take out this time and put into a new box?

;)

And whose internals did they take out this time and put into a new box?

Every player, including Denon's uses some outsourced components.
Its the love and care given to the unit and the extra engineering steps
that make it worth the 5,000% markup.

We should set-up a power-buy.

Boulders new CD player should be topping out at over 20k..worthy of a forum review:D

And whose internals did they take out this time and put into a new box?Chu, but it is a very nice box.

Yes, just like pet rocks came in a box.

There was a time when a high end DVD player can claim one advantage over the commercial units. This advantage was that the high end unit would have better analog outputs because they take better care or use more expensive components in this aspect of the design.

However, nowadays the Bluray/DVD/CD players are all digital. The connection to the TV is all digital (HDMI). Furthermore they all use a selection of chips from the same chip manufacturers namely Gennum, Realta etc.

If the chip manufacturers introduce the next generation of their processors, the previous generation of players become obsolete. So you can spend $800 a year for a new Bluray player and it will take more than 20 years to match the price of the Goldmund. In 20 years, you will own an $800 Bluray player which is 20 generations ahead of your Goldmund. But you do not need to wait 20 years, in one year the next generation Bluray player would eclipse the previous generation of products.

Essentially, investing in a Bluray/DVD player is becoming more and more like purchasing a PC.

Suddenly the Denon 3800 is starting to look like a bargain!

This thread reminds me that the label "troll" is purely a matter of whether the net catches fish when you throw it. Fortunately, there's not too many Goldmund owners here to get incredibly indignant.

I would say that there's a lot more of this in high-end that doesn't get challenged and Goldmund is hardly the only one, though they may be a bit more blatant and ridiculous about it. Sure happens a *lot* at the lower end though they might tack on $100 or $200, not $16K.

I'm sure we can expect more of what's like below from that stellar innovator, Goldmund.

http://www.eden-audio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=222&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

As far as Steve's astute observation about their rapid introduction they undoubtably had something like a Toshiba and Sony guts prepped by their design team. Kind of like it didn't matter who won the SuperBowl because the shirts and hats were already in the works.

I am really in the wrong business if there is a market for their players. If they can sell these players, then more power to them.

Something tells me that I need to buy some Pioneer BDP-95FD Blu-ray players, toroidal power transformers, and palatable HTPC cases. If I put these together and sell them under some arcane company name, then I could probably market them for about $15,000 each.

just for everyones fyi, there is another thread on this topic in the blu ray player forum.

There are guys that mod $150 Oppo players and charge $1500 for them. Still noisy, still bright, still harsh, so sure, get your soldering gun out!

The modding business might be one of the biggest cons out there. Recently I heard my son's Oppo and I didn't get that same impression as you John.

Well, maybe the stock one sounds better than the modded one i heard. Of course, the Oppo is most perfectly used as an all digital transport.

For the time being Pioneer and Denon are the two brands that one must look at for the high end in Blu-Ray. Players costing more like the Goldmund are just luxury names but lacking a lot compared to the price tag.

The eventual Meridian unit should be a good one once Meridian gets over its valid reservations of the super duper connection called HDMI 1.3 (& counting). :D

For the time being Pioneer and Denon are the two brands that one must look at for the high end in Blu-Ray.

I hope Denon comes out with a universal like the DVD-5910 that supports Blu-Ray as well as SACD, DVD-A, DVD-V. I want to be able to replace my DVD-5910 instead of adding an extra unit just for Blu-Ray...

I hope Denon comes out with a universal like the DVD-5910 that supports Blu-Ray as well as SACD, DVD-A, DVD-V. I want to be able to replace my DVD-5910 instead of adding an extra unit just for Blu-Ray...

It makes sense to have one fantastic unit to play all video formats.

The flagship behemoth in a Blu-Ray version will arrive eventually. I read some rumours here on AVS about a unit being introduced later this year. However, I don't think that such a unit will be available this year. Maybe next year at this time the model will be available with Blu-Ray Profile 2.0, THX Ultra II and all the formats that you mentioned above. The wait will be a little long but well worth it IMO.

It makes sense to have one fantastic unit to play all video formats.

The flagship behemoth in a Blu-Ray version will arrive eventually. I read some rumours here on AVS about a unit being introduced later this year. However, I don't think that such a unit will be available this year. Maybe next year at this time the model will be available with Blu-Ray Profile 2.0, THX Ultra II and all the formats that you mentioned above. The wait will be a little long but well worth it IMO.

That was my early April Fool's joke!!!@@

That was my early April Fool's joke!!!@@

:D

My bad! :o When do we get to see pictures of your new HT? Jumping from a DWIN straight to 3-DLP 1080p with CIH!!! What a jump Steve! :cool: Puts Carl Lewis to shame. :D

Steve's jump resulted in a nasty groin pull:)

:D

My bad! :o When do we get to see pictures of your new HT? Jumping from a DWIN straight to 3-DLP 1080p with CIH!!! What a jump Steve! :cool: Puts Carl Lewis to shame. :D

Read my signature. It is no April Fool's joke (this time).

I wonder who owns Goldmun?? Is ValhallaPC really Goldmun in disguise having fun on the web?

Goldmund

Goldmund

Who is Goldmun? Who is ValhallaPC? Is Goldmun related to Goldfinger?
Why hasn't Cinemax posted in this thread yet - he's posted stuff re Goldmun before?

I wonder who owns Goldmun?? Is ValhallaPC really Goldmun in disguise having fun on the web?

Except ValhallaPC does all his own work in-house, albeit chock full o' nuts. :D

I'm not sure why the tweakers are busting ValhallaPC's chops. After all, he's taking tweaking to the ultimate level.

Given the nature of the high-end, Goldmund will probably sell as many as they make.

I'm not sure why the tweakers are busting ValhallaPC's chops. After all, he's taking tweaking to the ultimate level.

I'm not a tweaker...

I'm not a tweaker...

My comment wasn't directed at you. It was directed at the one who went out of his way to step on Valhalla PC.

goldmund in youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EVTUj60Jto

Goldmund on ABC News.com:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/GadgetGuide/story?id=4361730&page=1

Goldmund on ABC News.com:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/GadgetGuide/story?id=4361730&page=1

Unbelievable. I never imagined you could get so little for so much money. What a joke. Most people who spend that much get something interesting at least.

Thank God Goldmund makes their own cables also... I would hate to think they would outsource something they could make 6900%, or more, profit on. I came away from that article with a new found respect for Monster Cables. Goldmund makes the Monster Cable con look righteous.

My comment wasn't directed at you. It was directed at the one who went out of his way to step on Valhalla PC.


My step is a little one. You do the STEP BIG TIME!!!! You really BOOGIE.
(is that how you pronounce your first name?):D

Qualifies for the forum though.

Of course, the title should be 'rich people do stupid things sometimes' All that for a plasma TV in an apartment?

Its the love and care given to the unit and the extra engineering steps that make it worth the 5,000% markup.Love and care? We are talking about a piece of electronics equipment, not a first-born child, right?

I consider 'love and care' when they bother to take care to do the little things that lower noise floor and improve the circuit board design, rather than design by computer and drop it in a box. Of course, I'm not so sure there's $16K in TLC in moving a couple of boards and dropping in a toroid. if it were $2k, mebbe.

something tells me (was it the call for a powerbuy?) that jm_etue was being a bit sarcastic :)

I wonder who owns Goldmun?? Is ValhallaPC really Goldmun in disguise having fun on the web?

The company that became Goldmund U.S.A sold me my Theta Casablanca. They were a Theta dealer before they became Goldmund's U.S. distributor. My original box had Goldmund U.S.A. tape all over it.

My step is a little one. You do the STEP BIG TIME!!!! You really BOOGIE.
(is that how you pronounce your first name?):D

It's pronounced Bha-gi. The "a" is pronounced like a short "u" as in "tug". You and Valhalla PC are going down the same road, he's gotten a little further than you.

My original box had Goldmund U.S.A. tape all over it.
How much extra did they charge for putting Goldmund tape all over the box?

The funny thing is that Steve does relatively sane things and sounds insane while talking about it. Valhalla does relatively insane things and sounds eerily sane while talking about it.

The funny thing is that Steve does relatively sane things and sounds insane while talking about it. Valhalla does relatively insane things and sounds eerily sane while talking about it.

Thats the nicest thing you've ever said about any AVS Forum member. I take it as a compliment.

:D

How much extra did they charge for putting Goldmund tape all over the box?

You need some counseling so you can learn to remember what you read better. You obviously get confused easily. I didn't buy anything from the Goldmun distributor/dealer. Another forum member posted that he did.

You and Valhalla PC are going down the same road, he's gotten a little further than you.



You really need to quit strangling yourself with your closet thick power cords. Its cutting off oxygen to your brain and causing you to be delusional!:D

down homeboy!

:D

You need some counseling so you can learn to remember what you read better. You obviously get confused easily. I didn't buy anything from the Goldmun distributor/dealer. Another forum member posted that he did.

I was addressing Bulldogger. I don't know how to do the multiple quote thing. Relax, not everyone is out to get you.

I'm only paranoid because everyone is out to get me - Frank Burns

I was addressing Bulldogger. I don't know how to do the multiple quote thing. Relax, not everyone is out to get you.

Only you.

A little lobotomy might help???

Multiple quote is easy. Ever heard of drag and drop.

Open up your word processor. Do your first quote and drag and drop it in your document. Now go back to the original thread and drag and drop your second quote to the document. Now take the entire text of the document and drag and drop it to your post.

A little tweakin' like this will do you wonders. Though you (nor I) will never get to Valhalla this way!

down homeboy!

When you visit next week be careful, I may sic my little 8 pound dog on you!!@@

Bring him with! We will let him swim at the Hyatt's pools:)

Bring him with! We will let him swin at the Hyatt's pools:)

That would be pretty funny. I dare you to do it, and have someone hiding in the background somewhere taping what the hotel does when they finally notice it.

That would be pretty funny. I dare you to do it, and have someone hiding in the background somewhere taping what the hotel does when they finally notice it.

Our dog Lucy is so cute and sweet that folks would pay to stay at the hotel simply to see our doggie listening to her Goldmun modified doggie I-pod and turning the dial.:D

Our dog Lucy is so cute and sweet that folks would pay to stay at the hotel simply to see our doggie listening to her Goldmun modified doggie I-pod and turning the dial.:D

How much does that Goldmund doggie piece cost? $59,346? :D

How much extra did they charge for putting Goldmund tape all over the box?

Could not have been much Boggie , as I got a great deal on the Theta.

Could not have been much Boggie , as I got a great deal on the Theta.

Is that a typo? Did you mean Boogie? Bugger? I'm being just as obnoxious as Bhagi's comments are. He is teaching me boogie well.:D

Is that a typo? Did you mean Boogie? Bugger? I'm being just as obnoxious as Bhagi's comments are. He is teaching me boogie well.:D

Yes, Steve you caught me, Boogie, like Boogie man.

Is that a typo? Did you mean Boogie? Bugger? I'm being just as obnoxious as Bhagi's comments are. He is teaching me boogie well.:D

Don't sell yourself short. Anyone who is astute enough to hear the differences between cables and the same cables on the ground or on the floor is usually plenty obnoxius.

Don't sell yourself short. Anyone who is astute enough to hear the differences between cables and the same cables on the ground or on the floor is usually plenty obnoxius.

Not as obnoxious as Mr. Boogie Woogie himself is. The difference between you and me is you were nasty first and I struck back. Take your buggers and shove it!:cool:

Don't give us none of your aggravation
We had it with your discipline
Saturday night's alright for fighting
Get a little action in

Get about as oiled as a diesel train
Gonna set this dance alight
`Cause Saturday night's the night I like
Saturday night's alright alright alright

The funny thing is that Steve does relatively sane things and sounds insane while talking about it. Valhalla does relatively insane things and sounds eerily sane while talking about it.

CLASSIC !!!! and it is sort of a compliment:DBRAVO

a few q's would of paid some good coin for that rights to that one!!

Not as obnoxious as Mr. Boogie Woogie himself is. The difference between you and me is you were nasty first and I struck back. Take your buggers and shove it!:cool:

touche to you Steve

IMO Bhagi IMO lists high up as the ultimate AVS Troll. He needs to get out of managed care in Louisiana and try to figure out how to treat real patients in private practice so he doesn't come across in the frustrated manner in which he so typically does.

I'm a Johnnie Paycheck fan. Bhugi can "Take Your Job and Shove It". Paycheck wasn't a fan of managed care, either. HA!

you tell him "homeboy" Bruzonsky!

IMO Bhagi IMO lists high up as the ultimate AVS Troll. He needs to get out of managed care in Louisiana and try to figure out how to treat real patients in private practice so he doesn't come across in the frustrated manner in which he so typically does.

Well, that 'try to get another person kicked off' testimonial took longer than i thought ^

Well, that 'try to get another person kicked off' testimonial took longer than i thought ^

Do you really want to share Bhugi's Boogie Bed?:D

you tell him "homeboy" Bruzonsky!
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Top Home Theater's I hope to see: The Bland's
Art's and my buddy Steve Bruzonsky! And Oneobgyn if I ever make it to NorCal!




Keep it up and you will end up at Santa's theater at the North Pole with a one way ticket on that Tom Hank's movie train!!!! Colder even than Michigan where you live. Even in the same bed with Bhugi and Alimental you will be colder than hell!!!@@@ HOMEBOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

I'm only paranoid because everyone is out to get me - Frank Burns

You have a good sense of humor at times which eludes others!;)

I don't think so @@@@@@@@@@! HA!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mburnstein

you tell him "homeboy" Bruzonsky!
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Top Home Theater's I hope to see: The Bland's
Art's and my buddy Steve Bruzonsky! And Oneobgyn if I ever make it to NorCal!



Keep it up and you will end up at Santa's theater at the North Pole with a one way ticket on that Tom Hank's movie train!!!! Colder even than Michigan where you live. Even in the same bed with Bhugi and Alimental you will be colder than hell!!!@@@ HOMEBOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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STEVE



Now that Theta Digital confirms they hope to have a CB3 HDMI 1.3 audio/video solution for the next CEDIA, will The Bland ever shut up re his dislike for a brand he has never owned?

The funny thing is that Steve does relatively sane things and sounds insane while talking about it. Valhalla does relatively insane things and sounds eerily sane while talking about it.

And I am busy in this thread sounding relatively insane while sanely kicking the Bhugi-Man's butt!:):eek:

I don't think so @@@@@@@@@@! HA!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mburnstein

you tell him "homeboy" Bruzonsky!
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Top Home Theater's I hope to see: The Bland's
Art's and my buddy Steve Bruzonsky! And Oneobgyn if I ever make it to NorCal!



Keep it up and you will end up at Santa's theater at the North Pole with a one way ticket on that Tom Hank's movie train!!!! Colder even than Michigan where you live. Even in the same bed with Bhugi and Alimental you will be colder than hell!!!@@@ HOMEBOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Now that Theta Digital confirms they hope to have a CB3 HDMI 1.3 audio/video solution for the next CEDIA, will The Bland ever shut up re his dislike for a brand he has never owned?

Mark Burnstein has drank a whole bottle of shnops at work tonight and the result is shown above.

MODERATOR, please close this thread before Bhugi-Man overdoses on self-pity.

And I am busy in this thread sounding relatively insane while sanely kicking the Bhugi-Man's butt!:):eek:

Please. I just choose not to lose my mind and delve into personal attacks when my ego isn't continually stoked.

Let's recap: Steve went out of his way to step on another tweaker who hasn't even posted in this thread(Valhalla PC). I called him on it and it brought about a shower of personal attacks and insults from Steve.

Apparantly personal attacks are allowed as long as you're one of the golden boys.

touche to you Steve

IMO Bhagi IMO lists high up as the ultimate AVS Troll. He needs to get out of managed care in Louisiana and try to figure out how to treat real patients in private practice so he doesn't come across in the frustrated manner in which he so typically does.

If you look just below my name on the left it says "Missouri" not "Louisiana".

Keep on truckin', Boogie Woogie Man, so we can keep on laughting AT YOU!@@@

I figured it out. You are a closet tweaker and fan of ValhallaPC. That's why you are so upset. Besides the fact that you are an unhappy little TROLL!

If you look just below my name on the left it says "Missouri" not "Louisiana".

So sorry.
When we get up into our "golden" years the first thing to go is our vision. I guess that I must be one of the "golden" boys. It is the second thing to go that worries me :)

Keep on truckin', Boogie Woogie Man, so we can keep on laughting AT YOU!@@@

I figured it out. You are a closet tweaker and fan of ValhallaPC. That's why you are so upset. Besides the fact that you are an unhappy little TROLL!

I'm not a closet tweaker, I use closets but am not under the delusion that changing the color of paint in them increases their volume so that more items can be stored in them.

I'm very happy.
I don't have to spend my time on the internet propping up moribund companies by posting that their expensive processor "will soon be updated". Or trying to rationalize that them being bought out will be good for the company.

Originally Posted by oneobgyn
When we get up into our "golden" years the first thing to go is our vision.
The ears soon follow.

I'm very happy.
I don't have to spend my time on the internet propping up moribund companies by posting that their expensive processor "will soon be updated". Or trying to rationalize that them being bought out will be good for the company.

Yet you spend your time harassing people that do. How does that make you a "very happy" person? :confused:

Yet you spend your time harassing people that do. How does that make you a "very happy" person? :confused:

I was "harrasing" Steve because he attacked someone out of the blue. Someone who hasn't even posted in this thread.

Anyways back on topic.
Goldmund has always had great looking gear that looks like jewelery. For a long time, they had a really nice turntable.

The ears soon follow.

Actually that's the third thing ;)

Yet you spend your time harassing people that do. How does that make you a "very happy" person? :confused:

He's obviously not:(

I was "harrasing" Steve because he attacked someone out of the blue. Someone who hasn't even posted in this thread.

So you are defending someone who takes tweaking to the ultra extreme, by attacking someone who takes tweaking to a lesser extreme and you are attacking that person in such a way as to disparage their tweaking? I just don't get it... Aren't you now doing the same thing you initially set out to stop? :confused:

Why do you even care? :confused:

So you are defending someone who takes tweaking to the ultra extreme, by attacking someone who takes tweaking to a lesser extreme and you are attacking that person in such a way as to disparage their tweaking? I just don't get it... Aren't you now doing the same thing you initially set out to stop? :confused:

Why do you even care? :confused:

Because he is the Ultimate Troll

Stage II, call for back up bring in more people to point fingers at 'the bad guy'

Is being a vocal critic of a "troll", an 'anti-troll', if you will, the act of being openly bothered by a 'troll' any better than the original act of trolling? Just seems to raise the noise level as far as I'm concerned, but hardly shows any better discipline.

Stage II, call for back up bring in more people to point fingers at 'the bad guy'

Is being a vocal critic of a "troll", an 'anti-troll', if you will, the act of being openly bothered by a 'troll' any better than the original act of trolling? Just seems to raise the noise level as far as I'm concerned, but hardly shows any better discipline.


Yawn:rolleyes:

I'm not a closet tweaker, I use closets but am not under the delusion that changing the color of paint in them increases their volume so that more items can be stored in them.

I'm very happy.
I don't have to spend my time on the internet propping up moribund companies by posting that their expensive processor "will soon be updated". Or trying to rationalize that them being bought out will be good for the company.

The ears soon follow.


http://pr.mo.gov/licensee-search-detail.asp?passkey=1249854

Bhagi is a legit Missouri doctor, per the above search.

He might be good with his patients and just a BUGGER on the web.
After all, I am good with my clients and yet somewhat of a BUGGER on the web.

Apparantly personal attacks are allowed as long as you're one of the golden boys.

Your personal attacks have been allowed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alimentall
Stage II, call for back up bring in more people to point fingers at 'the bad guy'

Is being a vocal critic of a "troll", an 'anti-troll', if you will, the act of being openly bothered by a 'troll' any better than the original act of trolling? Just seems to raise the noise level as far as I'm concerned, but hardly shows any better discipline.

Stage II, call for back up bring in more people to point fingers at 'the bad guy'

Is being a vocal critic of a "troll", an 'anti-troll', if you will, the act of being openly bothered by a 'troll' any better than the original act of trolling? Just seems to raise the noise level as far as I'm concerned, but hardly shows any better discipline.

Alimentall, you are right on this.

But a catfight sometimes is more fun than catnip!

If you enjoy 'the catfight' as you do, that's one thing, but if one vocally pretends to be annoyed by it while actively being involved in it that's hypocrisy.

Personally, I like joking around about silly matters and deep, even heated discussions about important matters. But some people seem to lose their sense of humor after spending lots of money. Thats why I found the Goldmund thread ironic. Is spending $17K on a modified japanese player any better than, say, spending $10K on cables or $50K on amps if no one can prove any audible improvement? Goldmund is an easy target because, AFAIK, no one here owns any. Substitute a few other brands in this thread and there would be blood on the floor.

If you enjoy 'the catfight' as you do, that's one thing, but if one vocally pretends to be annoyed by it while actively being involved in it that's hypocrisy.

Personally, I like joking around about silly matters and deep, even heated discussions about important matters. But some people seem to lose their sense of humor after spending lots of money. Thats why I found the Goldmund thread ironic. Is spending $17K on a modified japanese player any better than, say, spending $10K on cables or $50K on amps if no one can prove any audible improvement? Goldmund is an easy target because, AFAIK, no one here owns any. Substitute a few other brands in this thread and there would be blood on the floor.

Once again some legitimate posts by one who at time posts hypocritically as well. Congrats.

Stage II, call for back up bring in more people to point fingers at 'the bad guy'

Is being a vocal critic of a "troll", an 'anti-troll', if you will, the act of being openly bothered by a 'troll' any better than the original act of trolling? Just seems to raise the noise level as far as I'm concerned, but hardly shows any better discipline.

Are you diagnosing your own post? :confused:

Once again some legitimate posts by one who at time posts hypocritically as well. Congrats.

Everyone is a hypocrite at times, the trick is to avoid making a pattern of it.

Is being a vocal critic of a "troll", an 'anti-troll', if you will, the act of being openly bothered by a 'troll' any better than the original act of trolling? Just seems to raise the noise level as far as I'm concerned, but hardly shows any better discipline.

I don't give a $hit about Goldmund or any of their products but this above post is irrational. So now you feel that fighting back against a troll is a bad thing ? It just makes no sense to be a troll ,like yourself, and not derive pleasure from being attacked,what other reason is there for you to troll ?

Art

Lifestyles of the rich and infamous:D

Chip

I don't give a $hit about Goldmund or any of their products but this above post is irrational. So now you feel that fighting back against a troll is a bad thing ? It just makes no sense to be a troll ,like yourself, and not derive pleasure from being attacked,what other reason is there for you to troll ?

See signature below. Fighting back against trolling is like launching missiles against war or hitting your wife for complaining you don't love her enough. The only way to stop trolling is to not respond to it. A fisherman can't catch you if you don't bite. If the fish don't bite, the fisherman gets a new job, but real fish don't have evolved brains. If you respond to what *you* think is a troll, then you're worse than the troll. Especially since 'trolls' generally are only expressing a viewpoint with which you angrily disagree. Real trolls may thrive on being personally attacked, but I don't nor does Bhagi or most other people here that are falsely labeled as trolls when in reality, they just think differently than you do. You're not fighting back against 'trolling', you're fighting back against people who don't always agree with you.

See signature below. Fighting back against trolling is like launching missiles against war or hitting your wife for being annoying. The only way to stop trolling is to not respond to it. A fisherman can't catch you if you don't bite. If the fish don't bite, the fisherman gets a new job, but real fish don't have evolved brains. If you respond to what *you* think is a troll, then you're worse than the troll. Especially since 'trolls' generally are only expressing a viewpoint with which you angrily disagree. Real trolls may thrive on being personally attacked, but I don't nor does Bhagi or most other people here that are falsely labeled as trolls when in reality, they just think differently than you do.


once again a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

you're preaching to the choir John:o

See signature below. Fighting back against trolling is like launching missiles against war or hitting your wife for being annoying. The only way to stop trolling is to not respond to it. A fisherman can't catch you if you don't bite. If the fish don't bite, the fisherman gets a new job, but real fish don't have evolved brains.

Well then anwser the question,why do you troll ?

Art

Well, answer this question, why do you beat your wife?

Or did you mean to ask why I have different beliefs and experiences than you do?

Or maybe you're asking yourself why you bite, even when no one is fishing?

Let's all guess how many more posts in this thread before John gets it closed down....ooops I forgot the topic was all about the Goldmund BluRay Player rather than beating our wives.
John we would probably all beat our heads against the wall if it would stifle you and make you go away.

Can you guys please return to backslapping and telling each other what wonderful people you are just to get things back on track.

A more intellectually honest phrase would be 'let's all guess how many more posts in this thread before we get it closed down.

See, what I'm pointing out here is exactly how you can't put all the blame on everyone else for your participation in an argument. "Trolls" are only effective against people with no self control. Calling someone a 'troll' is an admission of having no self-discipline.

A more intellectually honest phrase would be 'let's all guess how many more posts in this thread before we get it closed down.

See, what I'm pointing out here is exactly how you can't put all the blame on everyone else for your participation in an argument. "Trolls" are only effective against people with no self control. Calling someone a 'troll' is an admission of having no self-discipline.

I've been accused of worse but those who know me would never characterize me as lacking self discipline. I think you are a troll John. Telling us that you should be able to be a troll (if you like call it something else) and then responding that those of us who call you on the behavior have issues is some of the best projections I've seen in a while.

I hope at some point you will look in the mirror .

Art

OK, OK...

I'll be the troll!http://kristinasepulveda.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/troll.jpg

OK, OK...

I'll be the troll!http://kristinasepulveda.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/troll.jpg


That's funny. I thought that was John posting a picture of himself looking in the mirror as Art suggested:)

The belly looks right, but the the hair is all wrong. The stick remote control is awesome though!

I've been accused of worse but those who know me would never characterize me as lacking self discipline. I think you are a troll John. Telling us that you should be able to be a troll (if you like call it something else) and then responding that those of us who call you on the behavior have issues is some of the best projections I've seen in a while.

Calling someone a troll is also a way of devaluing their opinions and contributions. The grand majority of my posts are actually answering questions and helping people on the forum. It's a bit egocentric and myopic to look at a few posts that bother you and then call names based on that. It's like calling Halle Berry ugly because she had a bad hair day. Or saying you're an "JVC hater" as though that defines your entire forum persona. In your case, perhaps using the term 'troll' is an indication of being overly sensitive.

The grand majority of my posts are actually answering questions and helping people on the forum. It's a bit egocentric and myopic to look at a few posts that bother you and then call names based on that. It's like calling Halle Berry ugly because she had a bad hair day. Or saying you're an "JVC hater" as though that defines your entire forum persona. In your case, perhaps using the term 'troll' is an indication of being overly sensitive.

I agree ,most of your posts are looking to help others that's true ,I should not accuse you of being a troll as that is too one dimensional just of trolling which I wish you would simply stop.

Art

Well, if you mean occasionally attempting to joke around with OB, sure, I can stop that, since his sense of humor goes only one way.

goldmund anyone???

I ordered three players already based on Steve's unconditional recommendation for it :)

goldmund anyone???

You giving some away?!! :D

They said the price of Gold is rising... I never realized how much!

I am instead getting three of the Pioneer players modded by ValhallaPC. He will only charge me $5,000 each. ERS paper inside and out with a ValhallaPC gold plate outside.

Anyone interested in a Powerbuy!!!

count me in for 2 Steve

count me in for 2 Steve

WHen you visit me here in Az next week, bring the 10 grand. Put your money $$$ where your mouth is (for once).:)

I am instead getting three of the Pioneer players modded by ValhallaPC. He will only charge me $5,000 each. ERS paper inside and out with a ValhallaPC gold plate outside.

Anyone interested in a Powerbuy!!!

Actually, i legitimately think VPC could do a better upgrade than Goldmund, though it might not look as pretty. If I believed it would make that difference, I'd hire the guy, he's a bit out there, but he's dedicated and not just slapping in 14 gauge wire.

valhalla pc.....that guy set him self up for criticism with that whacked out paper job, and he has shown in the past that he doesn't care what people think...and I am sure that he likes getting mentioned in jest than not get mentioned at all!!

CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL IS RUDE
CALING SOMEONE AN UNHAPPY FURRY TROLL IS FUNNY:D

valhalla pc.....that guy set him self up for criticism with that whacked out paper job, and he has shown in the past that he doesn't care what people think...and I am sure that he likes getting mentioned in jest than not get mentioned at all!!

CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL IS RUDE
CALING SOMEONE AN UNHAPPY FURRY TROLL IS FUNNY:D

VahallaPC does his antics strictly for notoriety. He luvs to be mentioned however wherever. He never takes it personally like most. He never strikes back. And he never uses any test gear and has no idea the accuracy of what he is listening to. What a guy!!!:eek: