Alright, so I've been searching for a while now and wanted to open this thread to get everyone's opinions. What IS the best gaming tv?

-CRT: great PQ and no motion blur... but is usually small and if it's large it is LARGE.

-LCD: great brightness, usually less reflective screens, "tech of the future", but have issues with motion blur, and some have lag.

-Plasma: great PQ and contrast, but aren't as bright and have reflective screens.

-Projector: I'd like to play during the day too...

Anyway, just wanted to open it up and get some opinions about what is the best set out there...

Elite Kuro

Elite Kuro


Yep

I've got a 700U (1080p Panny) and its pretty awesome, but the Kuro takes the cake. Plasma is like CRT, only thin and on the wall. The contrast ratio is awesome.

My 50" 1080P Samsung DLP! Atleast my other friends with HDTVs think so lol. I really couldn't be happier.

There are pro's and con's for every tecnhology. It would be hard to declare a single TV the "best".

the red one in this pic -

Any plasma 50" or bigger :)

LCoS (SXRD) tvs are quite nice (and quite large 60" or so), but I wouldn't trade my XBR970 for any TV that I have seen in person (even the beautiful Kuros).

It would be hard to declare a single TV the "best".

Not really. I have a feeling if you had a calibrated 6010 Kuro sitting in your living room you'd have much less confusion.

Not really. I have a feeling if you had a calibrated 6010 Kuro sitting in your living room you'd have much less confusion.

.....Until you go to someone's complete light controled theater that has a high end calibrated LCoS front projector thrown onto a 110" screen. Scratching your head yet???

My point is that there is always a more expensive and/or better display (even then your beloved Kuro and my XBR) out there. Ad the fact that AV is a highly subjective hobby and you have a hard time declaring a winner. Period.

Sony Xbr960 but you will have to find one used but its the best and like the guy above said its LARGE. but if you got the room.

.....Until you go to someone's complete light controled theater that has a high end calibrated LCoS front projector thrown onto a 110" screen. Scratching your head yet???

My point is that there is always a more expensive and/or better display (even then your beloved Kuro and my XBR) out there. Ad the fact that AV is a highly subjective hobby and you have a hard time declaring a winner. Period.

The OP said best tv. No mention of projector. IMO - he's correct.

The OP said best tv. No mention of projector. IMO - he's correct.
My bad, he did say no projectors. So I'll stick with my calibrated Sony CRT over any other tech.

A big TV is not always a good thing.

A direct view CRT is the best, like the discontinued Sony CRT.

Generally ANYTHING with CRT is great. LCD still has a way to go with the lag issues and plasma still has some threat of screen burn-in. I use a DLP and am thoroughly impressed with the quality of the image. Projectors are great for rooms where ambient light is tightly controlled and a quality reflection screen is installed.

What's best is really up to the user.

Sxrd or plasma.

.....Until you go to someone's complete light controled theater that has a high end calibrated LCoS front projector thrown onto a 110" screen. Scratching your head yet???

When you say "scratching your head" does that mean you think what you said is impressive or something? LCoS tech has been out for a while now. I saw my first JVC D-ILA like 4-5 years ago. Yawn.

It's not all about size. 50"-60" is the sweet spot for gaming IMO and with that said the 1080p Kuros and Elites are easily the best in that range.

People need to let go of CRT. Seriously.

Alright, so I've been searching for a while now and wanted to open this thread to get everyone's opinions. What IS the best gaming tv?

-CRT great PQ and no motion blur... but is usually small and if it's large it is LARGE.

-LCD: great brightness, usually less reflective screens, "tech of the future", but have issues with motion blur, and some have lag.

-Plasma: great PQ and contrast, but aren't as bright and have reflective screens.

-Projector: I'd like to play during the day too...

Anyway, just wanted to open it up and get some opinions about what is the best set out there...


Projector FTW, nothing will compare sorry to people who bought 2k+ tv's at half the size of my screen :)


And I play during the day. Just buy good curtains.


When you say "scratching your head" does that mean you think what you said is impressive or something? LCoS tech has been out for a while now. I saw my first JVC D-ILA like 4-5 years ago. Yawn.

It's not all about size. 50"-60" is the sweet spot for gaming IMO and with that said the 1080p Kuros and Elites are easily the best in that range.

People need to let go of CRT. Seriously.


LOL, keep telling youself that and maybe one day you might think it's true.. And sweet spot, BIM (bad information). I've heard it all.

"Generally ANYTHING with CRT is great ... plasma still has some threat of screen burn-in"

What? Plasma and CRT both use phosphers to create their light. The threat of burn-in is the same between both given a desired brightness.

Feel free to ignore "banstick" guys. I'm pretty sure he is just Max Lowmax under a new name.

Feel free to ignore "banstick" guys. I'm pretty sure he is just Max Lowmax under a new name.

Oh snap.

Seriously though, "best" has so many different meanings to different people. A college kid that scraped and worked weekends is gonna be happier with his 27" LCD than a rich man and his 100k HT. With that being said, I game on whatever is available depending on where I am, and love it!

The Samsung HLT6197SAX (1080p, 61", 3HDMI, 2 component, 1 pc, 24fps for BD) is now under $1700 on the "bigriver" site. You can't be that. Or...you could make over generalizations about playing in the daytime. I have this TV and play in the day all the time with no problems at all. Just close the blinds (which I would do anyway no matter what TV I had if I was playing games).

Thanks for the opinions guys. How about in each category. Obviously Pioneer is going to get lots of votes for plasma... but how about LCD's or other plasmas?

Thanks for the opinions guys. How about in each category. Obviously Pioneer is going to get lots of votes for plasma... but how about LCD's or other plasmas?

Plasma: Pioneer

LCD: Sony XBR

Danieloneil01

As an owner of both a Pioneer plasma and a $50k theater that each have 360s hooked up to them, I don't need to keep telling myself it's true, I know it is.

And why is having the opinion that 50"-60" displays are the best size for gaming bad information? I play way better on my plasma than on my 106" FP. It's easier for me to focus on everything that is happening on the smaller screen.

You must be one of those guys with a 2" pecker that thinks having a 100"+ screen automatically makes everything better. Lol.

Nice way to take this where you really want it to go.

BTT: If you own a 50K theatre and prefer a Plasma you might want to ask for your money back.

OP, go look at the Optoma HD70. Best bang for buck. 1k for a 120+ screen.

Daniel - It's Lowmax, who is generaly a very insecure guy. Thankfully, Lowmax looks to have been banned earlier today, and his alter ego seems to have been banned for the comment that you quoted. :) Unfortunately, he seems to have made a 3rd account now. :(

The best thing to do is to go and look at everything and decide yourself.

Right now I have a 50" panny plasma, and while it looks spectacular for movies and HDTV, gaming was too soft and there is a strange green motion blur effect in light areas when there is fast motion(think COD4 desert, a faint green will slightly trail anything thats dark when spinning around, or GoW on Gridlock). I have wicked version, so this may not be a problem for everyone but I have now seen it on plasmas from LG, Pioneer, my Panasonic, and Samsung.

I have only had it for a week so tomorrow the store is picking it up and dropping off a 55 inch Sony 3LCD RPTV which looked better(gaming) plus im getting money back in my pocket.

I bought the Panasonic because they are raved about on every HD forum, because of the PQ to price ratio. Only take recommendations from people as a starting point, choose your desired tech with hands on experience at an electronics store.

Only take recommendations from people as a starting point, choose your desired tech with hands on experience at an electronics store.

That sentence no matter how many times repeated on this forum always rings home. No tech is perfect, it's just a matter of figuring out which imperfections are less perceivable to you.

Are you all kidding me. Why the hell would you want to play games on a large screen? Too much screen to look at makes it difficult to play and see all the action. I would get a 26' Panasonic LCD because it is awesome.

Are you all kidding me. Why the hell would you want to play games on a large screen? Too much screen to look at makes it difficult to play and see all the action. I would get a 26' Panasonic LCD because it is awesome.

Uh....no. :eek:

Don't sleep on Sharp guys. My 43U series Aquos isn't 1080p, but has a 6ms refresh rate and produces a fantastic, crisp image for my 360 and PS3.

Are you all kidding me. Why the hell would you want to play games on a large screen? Too much screen to look at makes it difficult to play and see all the action. I would get a 26' Panasonic LCD because it is awesome.

I sit 8 feet from a 61" screen and it's perfect. I play better on than I did on the 36" from the same distance.

I am using both an HPw2408 monitor in my office and a Samsung 4661F in the living room. I love my Samsung but when I am at my desk, the HP is perfect!

Are you all kidding me. Why the hell would you want to play games on a large screen? Too much screen to look at makes it difficult to play and see all the action. I would get a 26' Panasonic LCD because it is awesome.

on a 32inch LCD would be lucky to get a score of 200 in GOW. Now on a 50+ inch tv, same sitting distance I am never below 500, and usually 700-800.

Have you guys seen this new Samsung Plasma? It's supposedly backed by EA as a gaming tv...
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/02/123_19800.html

Plasma: Pioneer

If the cost of the Pioneers is too much to stomach, the recent Panasonic models are a good choice as well.

I've noticed that you're missing "RPTV" in there ... while they're a dying breed, it's a good way to get more physical TV for the same money - and for some reason I have an feeling budget is a concern here. :)

If you're able - and you should be - bring a game console or laptop into the store and ask to test the displays out. Check for motion blur, input lag, and all the other myriad of Things That Could Bug You.

Also keep in mind that TVs will look much different in your living room, properly calibrated (even through DIY methods) than they will under the blinding lights of a retail store.

Well... ya, budget is always a concern when the significant other is in the know, but at the same time things do go on sale.;) What about burn in, and longevity issues with plasmas (dimming and lifespan). Do the Pioneers largely correct these?

Well... ya, budget is always a concern when the significant other is in the know, but at the same time things do go on sale.;) What about burn in, and longevity issues with plasmas (dimming and lifespan). Do the Pioneers largely correct these?

Permanent image retention is, for the most part, a relic from days gone by with modern plasmas. Unless you have a habit of leaving your TV on a static image and then going away for over a week, I wouldn't worry about it. A friend of mine has only ever experienced temporary IR on his Panasonic after an eight-hour gaming marathon - and even then, it vanished within an hour of normal viewing. I would suggest trying to avoid extended viewing of 4:3 or 2.35:1 programs though, and by "extended viewing" I mean "using the display for nothing but that."

For longevity, most makers are rating their panels for a 60,000 hour half-life. That's a little under seven years of running it 24/7 before it reaches half its initial brightness. In short - don't worry about it.

I personally wouln't worry about burn-in. Prior to getting my DLP, I played PS2 and Xbox 360 on an older model 55" Mitsubishi CRT HDTV. I racked up sooooo many video game hours (mostly from playing FFXI on PS2) on that TV and never had a problem.

I guess plasmas used to be worse than CRT projection, but like others said it's not really a problem anymore.

Word. On my old Hitachi RPTV I never got burn-in despite many ultra-long sessions of Halo.

Not enough DLP love in this thread...Samsung 5087 here and it looks amazing day and night.

thers nothing out there that touches a sony SXRD XBR2.not even the KUROS

thers nothing out there that touches a sony SXRD XBR2.not even the KUROS

Riighht.

"For longevity, most makers are rating their panels for a 60,000 hour half-life. That's a little under seven years of running it 24/7 before it reaches half its initial brightness. In short - don't worry about it."

My panel has 4200 hours on it in the 2.5 years I've owned it. Due to lowered brightness, my brightness has been bumped up from 47 to 48, and my contrast from 23 to 24 out of 100. At the rate I'm going, I only have 130 years left until I run out of room on the brightness scale and start crushing my blacks. Oh no! :)

In short, something else will die on a plasma before it's phospher life is ever an issue in a home environment.

-CRT: great PQ and no motion blur... but is usually small and if it's large it is LARGE.


Nicest picture of all the current analog/digital technologies. Problem is keeping it looking that way. 7" guns on most sets cannot resolve 1080i, forget 1080p, but most folks wont notice the resolution loss because of the constant little mis-convergences here and there. I love my 65" Mits CRT RP, its my gaming machine, but convergence and geometry and lens cleaning that occasionally has to happen to keep it performing in top shape are a pain. BEST for movies, NOT the best for gaming.


-LCD: great brightness, usually less reflective screens, "tech of the future", but have issues with motion blur, and some have lag.


Probably the best choice for gaming currently avaialble....problem is the weakness of absolute black levels, make sure you get one that can play a dark game and not look like a washed-out dark grey.


-Plasma: great PQ and contrast, but aren't as bright and have reflective screens.


Great PQ, basically they are a miniature CRT, but the #1 issue for me is burn-in, and to all of you dudes who say it doesn't exist, please shut up NOW because it does exist..just because YOU dont have it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen..it does. In Plasma-whore circles they call it "image retention" and "it goes away after a couple of days"....to me that still means ruining your TV in the long run, so I dont like the idea of Plasmas for gaming unless you dont mind trashing it and getting another if you fubar it with some image that really wont go away over time.

Or if you dont mind seeing the Halo Health bar as a ghost while you try to watch some HD movie.


-Projector: I'd like to play during the day too...


Get some blinds? Some drapes? Most projectors these days are all light-cannons anyhow, but PJ's really aren't made for gaming. For one you have to sit far enough back to not give yourself eye or neck strain, two a PJ can really bring out the flaws in a game (jaggies, low-rez textures). Wouldn't be my first choice for gaming.....but it kinda depends on the game. PGR or GT5? Sign me up..the in-dash car on a 100" screen would be basically life-size :D (its big enough on my 65" that it fools me into thinking that)

My .02 cents.
your mileage may vary.

Don't worry about permanent burn in on modern Plasma TVs. This was a problem in years past, but it really as been corrected with further research and technology. Hell, I have a Samsung LCD computer monitor (191T) that has permanent burn in, so it wasn't unique to plasmas. It was unique to things bought years ago (I bought that monitor in the summer of 2003 I believe - It has the world of warcraft cons burnt in, along with some menus, and the start menu from XP).

However, do your self a favor and DO follow the recommended break in period. That is, for the first 100-200 hours, run mostly 16:9 content and don't leave any static images on the screen (including things like news tickers and such). Also remember to turn brightness, contrast, etc... down to "normal" levels. Don't leave your plasma in torch mode! I believe there is a DVD that someone at AVS made for plasma break in. However, if you have an xbox 360, the music visualization should work nicely (provided you overscan it so that it doesn't have the small black bars around the edges).

"Hell, I have a Samsung LCD computer monitor (191T) that has permanent burn in,"

Ahem. *Giggle*

The raw definition of burn-in is "uneven wearing of phosphers". The image in an LCD is not produced by phosphers, therefore impossible to have burn-in.

You may have some permanent image retention caused by some other reason, but it is absolutly not burn-in.

Don't worry about permanent burn in on modern Plasma TVs. This was a problem in years past, but it really as been corrected with further research and technology.


The only way Plasmas combat burn-in that I understand is by "pixel shifting", which essentially means you burn in 4 or 6 pixels instead of one. Image Retention is a problem today just like it was then, just like with CRT's, because its caused by premature aging of the phosphors. Weather you are prematurely aging 1 pixel (or its sub-pixels), you're still aging them down.

The only way around it that I know of is to put your display down from torch mode and get the brightness and contrast set up right. Contrast should make white just bright enough to look white, brightness is really up to you.

The *problem* is that Plasmas really look their best when they are really cranking out the contrast. Still, I've been doing almost nothing but gaming on my 65" Mits for 3-4 years now solid, and no burn it whatsoever. I think somtimes the people that DO get burn in are just really stupid with their sets, leaving them in torch mode even if they DO rotate their "viewing habits".

thers nothing out there that touches a sony SXRD XBR2.not even the KUROS

LOL!

Unfortunately, even with modern plasmas image retention can still rear its ugly head. I bought a Samsung 50" plasma last July (the 5054) and even after dialing down the contrast, brightness and color I had nasty image retention of channel logos after about 5 minutes. It would take about 2 hours of constant scroll wiping to wash them away. Even after about 75 hours of break-in I had IR. The night before I decided to return it, I played a quick game of FIFA Soccer. The EA logos were on the screen for the entire game - a good 20 minutes - and as far as I can tell, they got burned in to the set permanently. I ran about 2 hours of scroll wipe, tried white screen, tried watching other channels, and I still could clearly see them the following day. I also have a 3 year old Panasonic 42" EDTV plasma that never had any IR issues at all, and I logged some marathon sessions on that. YMMV, but with some plasma models, IR can still be a major pain.

In light of my experience with the Samsung, I decided to go LCD. I don't get the best black levels possible but it still yields a nice pic and is the lowest maintenance technology out there when it comes to using the TV for different purposes (ie: TV channels with tickers, pillarboxed programming, letterboxed programming, video games with static images, etc.).

I own a Samsung HL-S5687W DLP.....they are making newere ones now the LED light engine that are even thinner. I love my tv. Is it the best? Maybe not....but i know it looks freaking awesome.....but that's not to say there are not other great TV's out there cause there is.

basically it comes down to what your willing to spend. Get your money's worth....i say the skies the limit as far as size as long as you have the room for it.

I own a Samsung HL-S5687W DLP.....they are making newere ones now the LED light engine that are even thinner. I love my tv. Is it the best? Maybe not....but i know it looks freaking awesome.....but that's not to say there are not other great TV's out there cause there is.

basically it comes down to what your willing to spend. Get your money's worth....i say the skies the limit as far as size as long as you have the room for it.

I have the same TV and it is awesome! I do not believe from what I've seen and read that the picture on the new led versions is any better. In fact ratings seem to be lower. The advantage is not having to replace the lamp.

Considering he's a gamer, I'd worry about the input lag on DLPs - especially Samsung, which passes everything through the DCDi including native-resolution images. Not sure if the new ones have remedied that yet.

If you've got a copy of Guitar Hero, take it and the 360 down to the store and perform the lag calibration on the sets you're interested in.

I play on a 42" Panny plasma, a 37" Olevia LCD and a Sharp DT-500 projecting on a 92" screen. I have no lag issues, no IR problems, no audio sync detractions on any of the displays I have. I will say though that the PJ provides the best "experience" by a long shot.

Great PQ, basically they are a miniature CRT, but the #1 issue for me is burn-in, and to all of you dudes who say it doesn't exist, please shut up NOW because it does exist..just because YOU dont have it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen..it does. In Plasma-whore circles they call it "image retention" and "it goes away after a couple of days"....to me that still means ruining your TV in the long run, so I dont like the idea of Plasmas for gaming unless you dont mind trashing it and getting another if you fubar it with some image that really wont go away over time.

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Hey IT DOESN"T EXIST!.

Retention is not burn in . Retention goues after a couple of minutes and you'd have to put your nose against the screen to see it . Real phosphor "burn in" effects CRTS as much if not more than plasmas. I've had two plasmas that I gamed on for years with no ill effects. I had a CRT that I burnt in less than a year by watching letterboxed movies on it.

Get a plasma for casual use, get a JVC RS1 projector for the real deal. this combo works great for me.

thers nothing out there that touches a sony SXRD XBR2.not even the KUROS

I have a 60" XBR2 in the living room. It is a good machine, but my RS-1 in the theater blows it away. I have xboxes hooked up to both machines but only game on the RS-1. Shooting to a 110" diagonal high power and sitting around 12' away. Needless to say it rocks. I have a unity gain screen behind the highpower I use when watching movies. Room is a bat cave with black velvet on walls and celing. Black carpet and black couch.

thers nothing out there that touches a sony SXRD XBR2.not even the KUROS

As someone who has owned both, I think a visit to the optometrist is in order for you.....lol. :p

I am not an expert but I love multi player gaming. We played a lot last night and all the time. I now have 4 screens. The recent one is for my pc in another room. It was on sale at costco for 549$. It is the 28" viewsonic with hdmi/component/vga in and a 3ms response time. I also have a 46" 1080P sharp 46d92u, a 32" 720P philips, and a 20" 720P westy. All are lcd. I like lcd for gaming. The plasmas had a better black, but I got lcd and am happy. Take a 360 to a store during a quiet time and give a few a try. Each kind has pluses and minuses. What size are you looking for? By the way the westy sucks. Consider if the tv has headphone out for late night non loud gaming. I have a small cramped and cluttered game room filled with cheesy string lights. It makes me so very happy.

Danieloneil01

As an owner of both a Pioneer plasma and a $50k theater that each have 360s hooked up to them, I don't need to keep telling myself it's true, I know it is.

And why is having the opinion that 50"-60" displays are the best size for gaming bad information? I play way better on my plasma than on my 106" FP. It's easier for me to focus on everything that is happening on the smaller screen.

You must be one of those guys with a 2" pecker that thinks having a 100"+ screen automatically makes everything better. Lol.

I hire a troupe of Shakespearian actors to play out the action on screen on my private stage, which costs about $1000 per hour. It can get a little laggy, but the image can't be beat. The other downside is the loading times. You think the elevators on Mass Effect are bad? Just be glad you don't have to build a new set for each level.

The best tv for gaming, is the tv that you like the most. It really doesnt matter its all just a matter of opinion. Most people are just going to say a certain tv is the best because its the one they have. I have the sammy 71 and its awesome for gaming. But i would never claim any tv is the best. Just buy a tv that you like and you'll be happy.

"I hire a troupe of Shakespearian actors to play out the action on screen on my private stage, which costs about $1000 per hour. It can get a little laggy, but the image can't be beat. The other downside is the loading times. You think the elevators on Mass Effect are bad? Just be glad you don't have to build a new set for each level."


Nice...
As far as size goes, I game in my living room and only have room for a screen that's about 40"-50" (I have a max viewing distance of 8'). Thanks again for all of the input, and the real world experience. Has anyone tried the Samsung lnt4669f?
cheers

I have played on RPTV (9" Mits CRT), on my 144" FP image, and now on my Pio Kuro.

I am not a fan of the Sony, or most other LCD's, because I can't stand unnatural colours -- such as over saturated reds and off greens. In the past I was agitated by the smearing of lcd's in motion scenes. Not sure how they do lately.

For my money though, the Pio Kuro is king of the hill right now.

For gaming on the 360 I think the best value is the 5080 Kuro. I think it is $2250.

And like someone pointed out above, it is just too hard to be competitive in games like COD4 when your eyes have to cover all the real estate of a big screen FP image. My scores have gone up since moving to a 50" plasma.

Your mileage may vary.

In a house with plasmas, LCDs, a home theater with a 1080i lcd projector and a 103 inch screen, I still prefer my 4 year old Sony 57 inch CRT when it comes to all night gaming sessions. Luckily we have a local CRT expert down the street. Every year when he's done calibrating it, I fall in love with it all over again.

thers nothing out there that touches a sony SXRD XBR2.not even the KUROS

I am sorry but that is just plain wrong.

I have played on RPTV (9" Mits CRT), on my 144" FP image, and now on my Pio Kuro.

I am not a fan of the Sony, or most other LCD's, because I can't stand unnatural colours -- such as over saturated reds and off greens. In the past I was agitated by the smearing of lcd's in motion scenes. Not sure how they do lately.

For my money though, the Pio Kuro is king of the hill right now.

For gaming on the 360 I think the best value is the 5080 Kuro. I think it is $2250.

And like someone pointed out above, it is just too hard to be competitive in games like COD4 when your eyes have to cover all the real estate of a big screen FP image. My scores have gone up since moving to a 50" plasma.

Your mileage may vary.

colours can be fixed, just like EVERY display ever made you need to make adjustments to suit you taste.

colours can be fixed, just like EVERY display ever made you need to make adjustments to suit you taste.

Um, sorry, but no, every display ever made cannot be adjusted to give perfect and accurate colours and greyscale.

Um, sorry, but no, every display ever made cannot be adjusted to give perfect and accurate colours and greyscale.

Well there can be limitations but certainly things like black point white point grayscale and gamma can be corrected on most displays without relying on offboard processing. Color gamut is about the only thing that many displays offer no adjustment improvement possibility.

So I guess the winner is the Pioneer Kuro... unfortunately it's almost impossible to get one nowadays. (sigh):
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/pioneer-says-goodbye-to-plasma-manufacturing/

I guess we'll have to pick this up again after some of the new lcd's filter in this month...

Ive done the DLP projector thing for about the last 4 years or so starting with a cheap infocus X1a then moving up to a nice Optoma HD70. PJs are great if you have an area where you can controll the light.

Recently I picked up a Pioneer Kuro 5080 online for about $2062 after paying $55.00 for 3 day shipping and its a fantastic TV [ the black level really is as good as its been said to be ] and is definitly worth looking into if you decide on a Plasma.

Personally im still not sold on LCD at any price, especially in the PJ market.

Ive yet to find another TV that makes me want to get rid of my crt Hitachi 51f59 for gaming.

Ya, I have a CRT at the moment but the thing is over 22 YEARS OLD! So consequently the picture has dimmed over the years and is too dark for some games that have darker environments (and yes I've tried all of the settings). So I think that I'll be moving into the flat panel realm. I'm waiting to hear how these new Samsungs will handle games, specifically the A650. I hear that they're coming out this week... here's to hoping it's the answer to all of the LCD problems.:rolleyes:

Does anyone here use the Samsung LN-T4665F for gaming? Specifically FPS shooters? And if so, do you notice a lot of motion blur or input lag? Thanks.

Anybody?

Some of the professional calibrators that visit this forum agreed that the HLS Samsung DLPs have a nearly perfect color reproduction when professionaly calibrated. They also were tested to have very little or no noticeable lag in most situations. I got one and I love it. gaming is amazing on this set. I don't know how good the new Samsung DLPs are though.

My TVs a 27" LCD Samsung 720p And I really like. I am going to upgrade to 1080p one day though. Probaly get teh Sony Bravia or something. Are Olevia or Vizio LCD HDTVs any good?

i use to have a sony crt 36 HD tv that was great for games but it broke now i own a philips 42 1080P LCD and its i think a bit better for games then the old sony i like it alot maybe in 2009 ill upgrade to a better tv maybe till then the tv i got now is great for me

Get the biggest thing you can afford.. I generally vote for closeout DLPs for the best bang fo the buck.

I have a Sony 34XBR960N and am happy for the most part. I've noticed that lately that it's hard to see very small words clearly in the corners when playing GTA4. I'll be upgrading to a BRAVIA KDL-40Z4100 once it comes out in June.

informer

The new Samsung 650. Excellent PQ, great for gaming. Motion blur greatly reduced, Deep rich colors, inky blacks, very sharp picture. AMP (Auto Motion Plus) works great for games. Also has Game mode but is not needed. I have had this tv for over a month (the 52") and its just amazing. The best LCD i have ever seen. And i have had the Samsung 71 and the Sony XBR4 before this one. Neither of them can touch this set. It also won CNET's Editors Choice (not that CNET really matter, but still):D.

I have a 46" B650 Samsung model... and I have to say, while it looks great... there is noticable input lag without the "Game Mode" turn on. At least in certain titles...
You can also tell the difference when you have a computer hooked up to it and you move the mouse around. It's more responsive with "gaming mode" turned on.

A big TV is not always a good thing.

A direct view CRT is the best, like the discontinued Sony CRT.

Keep telling yourself that.

We sit 10' from my 2008 65" Mitsubishi DLP. My friends and I (and anyone else who walks into my house), is in total 'awe' of the gaming experience a really large screen can provide. Not the first time, EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's like gaming in an iMax theater.

Anyone else who downs large screens, just has 'size' envy.

Are you all kidding me. Why the hell would you want to play games on a large screen? Too much screen to look at makes it difficult to play and see all the action. I would get a 26' Panasonic LCD because it is awesome.

I've got really bad news for you....

If you can't track the action on the big screen, thats a 'brain' issue, not a screen issue. My friends and I have no problem seeing all the action on my 65" DLP, and we only sit 10' away.

Word. On my old Hitachi RPTV I never got burn-in despite many ultra-long sessions of Halo.

+1

I'm pretty sure DLP is virtually immune to burn-in. You'd really have to go out of your way to intentionally damage the tv. DLP's are great!

I love gaming on my Samsung LN52A650. I never notice any lag hooked up with HDMI

I love gaming on my Samsung LN52A650. I never notice any lag hooked up with HDMI

I'll send that. I have the LN52A750 which is really the same set and I love gaming on it. I wish I had a 57-60 though! :rolleyes:

Keep telling yourself that.

We sit 10' from my 2008 65" Mitsubishi DLP. My friends and I (and anyone else who walks into my house), is in total 'awe' of the gaming experience a really large screen can provide. Not the first time, EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's like gaming in an iMax theater.

Anyone else who downs large screens, just has 'size' envy.

LOL. I wouldn't call 65" big...

I used to play on a small 27" zenith crt. I have been playing on a 60" Sony SXRD, (the last one they made, the black one) and ever since then not only do the games look amazing, have no lag etc, but my ability seemed to improve as well right when I got it. Ever since, sniping and br'ing in Halo3 has been a breeze.

Some of the professional calibrators that visit this forum agreed that the HLS Samsung DLPs have a nearly perfect color reproduction when professionaly calibrated. They also were tested to have very little or no noticeable lag in most situations. I got one and I love it. gaming is amazing on this set. I don't know how good the new Samsung DLPs are though.

The new DLPs (not the 650's), but the 750's (which are LED based) are amazing. Sadly the 61" and 67" are near impossible to find now. If you can, I think for gaming and most every day uses (after a proper calibration) the thing is damn near perfect. I'd take my 61" over almost any tv out there (with the 67" model being an obvious exception).

I also have an older 42" Samsung DLP (bulb based) can't recall the model off hand, but I think it is 3 yrs old 720p/1080i, and it is also very good for gaming.

The new DLPs (not the 650's), but the 750's (which are LED based) are amazing. Sadly the 61" and 67" are near impossible to find now. If you can, I think for gaming and most every day uses (after a proper calibration) the thing is damn near perfect. I'd take my 61" over almost any tv out there (with the 67" model being an obvious exception).

I also have an older 42" Samsung DLP (bulb based) can't recall the model off hand, but I think it is 3 yrs old 720p/1080i, and it is also very good for gaming.

Having a Panny Plasma, Sony LCD and Samsung DLP, I would have to agree. The only TV I use for gaming is the Samsung 61HLA750 DLP. I actually prefer it for both movies (blu ray) and gaming. Not only because it is the largest tv in the hours but because it actually looks much better. I would definitely recommend a DLP for gaming. Of course new techs are coming out all the time. I haven't actually seen the new Samsung LED TVs in action yet. At about 3K a piece it would have to be something special to make me give up my 1.2K DLP for gaming and movies.

I used to play on a small 27" zenith crt. I have been playing on a 60" Sony SXRD, (the last one they made, the black one) and ever since then not only do the games look amazing, have no lag etc, but my ability seemed to improve as well right when I got it. Ever since, sniping and br'ing in Halo3 has been a breeze.

Boy, I gotta eat my words.

So my lamp recently went out on my set, Sony KDS60A2020 (1080p), and while I was waiting for the new one to come, I hooked the 360 back up to the old Zenith 27" that I have upstairs. I think it was the first time I've turned that set on in years. Anyway, continued playing etc, and then the new lamp came.

Got that all set up, brought the 360 back down, and fired up Halo 3. Much to my dismay, I noticed a severe lag that I for whatever reason never noticed before. Maybe because I had always played on the big tv from day 1, and the lack of lag on the tube set made it now noticeable, I don't know. Anyway, if I push the thumbstick quickly to look right, left, whichever, there is a very bad delay until my view on the screen turns the corresponding direction. Quick aiming movements are now almost impossible because of the delay. I took the 360 back upstairs, fired it up, and nothing. I get immediate response.

Is there anything I can do to fix this? I have it hooked via HDMI, resolution set to 1080p on the 360. I really want to go back to playing on the big tv, but with this lag now I just can't do it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Boy, I gotta eat my words.

So my lamp recently went out on my set, Sony KDS60A2020 (1080p), and while I was waiting for the new one to come, I hooked the 360 back up to the old Zenith 27" that I have upstairs. I think it was the first time I've turned that set on in years. Anyway, continued playing etc, and then the new lamp came.

Got that all set up, brought the 360 back down, and fired up Halo 3. Much to my dismay, I noticed a severe lag that I for whatever reason never noticed before. Maybe because I had always played on the big tv from day 1, and the lack of lag on the tube set made it now noticeable, I don't know. Anyway, if I push the thumbstick quickly to look right, left, whichever, there is a very bad delay until my view on the screen turns the corresponding direction. Quick aiming movements are now almost impossible because of the delay. I took the 360 back upstairs, fired it up, and nothing. I get immediate response.

Is there anything I can do to fix this? I have it hooked via HDMI, resolution set to 1080p on the 360. I really want to go back to playing on the big tv, but with this lag now I just can't do it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Maybe this?

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Men_in_Black/men_in_black_movie_image_tommy_lee_jones_and_will_smith.jpg

Seriously though, you could always just up your sensitivity.

(PS: I'd wager it's at least half mental, and by that I mean your eyes are fooling you)

Alright, so I've been searching for a while now and wanted to open this thread to get everyone's opinions. What IS the best gaming tv?

-CRT: great PQ and no motion blur... but is usually small and if it's large it is LARGE.

-LCD: great brightness, usually less reflective screens, "tech of the future", but have issues with motion blur, and some have lag.

-Plasma: great PQ and contrast, but aren't as bright and have reflective screens.

-Projector: I'd like to play during the day too...

Anyway, just wanted to open it up and get some opinions about what is the best set out there...

I own both a Sony 52xbr3 and a Pioneer 141. The Pioneer is much better to game on. There is no motion blur and no lag (none that I notice anyway). I game for hours on end and have never worried about burn-in. It is my understanding that IR is a non-issue in newer plasmas. I play Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Halo, and Gears and have not noticed any lag when compared to my Sony. My Sony was nice for awhile, but it pales in comparison to the Pioneer.

Both technologies offer great PQ in my opinion (newer models). My advice is to take into account where the display will be going. My Sony is in my great room because there is a lot of natural light. My Pio is in my basement because there is almost no natural light. The anti-glare coating helps tremendously on the Pio, but it is still a glass panel.

Most "experts" will say plasma offers better PQ, but I have seen some amazing LCDs. Just look at your budget and consider how much light will be in the room and buy the best reviewed display you can.

If by chance you are considering a 9th-generation Pioneer Kuro Elite you might try Roman at http://www.buybestplasma.com/

the red one in this pic -

lol!!

Word. On my old Hitachi RPTV I never got burn-in despite many ultra-long sessions of Halo.

IMO the halo games are great titles that will never burn an image on a display. ( <---thinking of halo3 for online multiplayer) Everything is constantly moving and in multiplayer whenever you die the blue screen comes up to show you the score for the 3 seconds before you spawn again. Split screen maybe a different story though....

I wont go with anything other than DLP and nothing you say or do will make me change my opinion of that.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_cd=HL61A750A1FXZA

this tv zomg! i like mine on the wall but if i ever wanted something for the bedroom