The HDMI clock timing was adjusted first by a hardware change, then when that worked, they figured out how to do the same thing with firmware.

The HDMI output was within specs, but so close to the edge that unpredictable variations in player, cables, and receiving hardware could cause a fault.

This is why I'm glad I don't debug HDMI for a living. Player, cables and display can all be within spec and you can still have trouble.

The fix is to increase the safety margin on the clock timing of the HDMI output.

The firmware is still being tested, but looks good so far. Be patient, wait for the official release. Don't know exactly how long; obviously intermittent errors like this need to be exercised throughly before we can be confident they have been eliminated.

-Bill

Terrific info. And a great illustration of what sets OPPO Digital apart from other consumer electronics companies. Dogged determination to get things right with the technical expertise to do so.

Dana

:)The HDMI clock timing was adjusted first by a hardware change, then when that worked, they figured out how to do the same thing with firmware.

The HDMI output was within specs, but so close to the edge that unpredictable variations in player, cables, and receiving hardware could cause a fault.

This is why I'm glad I don't debug HDMI for a living. Player, cables and display can all be within spec and you can still have trouble.

The fix is to increase the safety margin on the clock timing of the HDMI output.

The firmware is still being tested, but looks good so far. Be patient, wait for the official release. Don't know exactly how long; obviously intermittent errors like this need to be exercised throughly before we can be confident they have been eliminated.

-Bill

The setting for the projector is "PC Gamma" because it is closest to 2.2 reference. Therefore I assume I have to set the player to RGB PC in order to get the best picture out of the dvd. No. PC RGB is completely unrelated to gamma. You need to try the YCbCr or RGB Video settings to show Blacker-Than-Black and WTW. However, if your display cannot be calibrated correctly with those settings, it may be expecting PC RGB, in which case you can only set the 983 to RGB PC, and BTB/WTW will probably not show up.

Gary

The HDMI clock timing was adjusted first by a hardware change, then when that worked, they figured out how to do the same thing with firmware.

The HDMI output was within specs, but so close to the edge that unpredictable variations in player, cables, and receiving hardware could cause a fault.

This is why I'm glad I don't debug HDMI for a living. Player, cables and display can all be within spec and you can still have trouble.

The fix is to increase the safety margin on the clock timing of the HDMI output. This looks like another slam-dunk for OPPO. According to tests by OPPO and ABT, their HDMI signal integrity eye-diagrams look really good. It was just a small clock-to-data timing issue. Thankfully, the new FW does an even better job than the hardware fix. It was truly incredible how fast they found root cause and introduced a fix. It works perfectly on my machine... We'll know soon enough whether it works in all cases.

Gary

Terrific info. And a great illustration of what sets OPPO Digital apart from other consumer electronics companies. Dogged determination to get things right with the technical expertise to do so.

Dana

Yes indeed - unlike, say, Toshiba who released Fw ver 2.0 for my A35 that caused terrible jaggies when using 1080p/24 on VC1 encoded discs. And to make things worse, there is no official way to go back to the earlier 1.3 firmware. And to make matters worse still, the ver 2.0 firmware actually did *nothing* and was simply a 'get ready' for when the DVD producers *might* have decided to add a flag to enable auto 1080p frame rate switching (which of course will now be *never* as HD-DVD is dead)! Fortunately a guy on the forums here made a reverse-engineered fix so people could 'downgrade' back to 1.3. Toshiba are still silent on the entire issue. That sort of experience shows us just how incredibly good Oppo are when it comes to customer support. I've never owned an Oppo product before my (amazingly superb) 983H - but you can bet the farm that I will own another!

They're all crap for CS now-a-days... Onkyo/integra, Yamaha, Denon, Toshiba, Samsung, Sony... all crap. From what I've witnessed over the last few years there is only one place that still has good CS, and that's Amazon.com. There is then only one place that has GREAT CS, and that's Oppo.

Hopefully this new firmware will also fix the SACD Priority being incorrectly modified when you play a Stereo SACD?

Interestingly, in relation to hdmi dropouts, I've just been sent "a beta firmware that accomplishes the same thing as the test hardware change made by Oppo".

I'll give it a go this evening.
Just Got new firmware update as well!

SolutionsAV just emailed me an new firmware update for the HDMI issue as well. Will try it tonight and see what happens.

fish1050

Hopefully this new firmware will also fix the SACD Priority being incorrectly modified when you play a Stereo SACD?

I don't know what other features are included in upcoming firmware.

-Bill

Hopefully this new firmware will also fix the SACD Priority being incorrectly modified when you play a Stereo SACD?

Oh please, yes. That's driving me crazy.

Bravo, Oppo, Bravo!

It's great to hear the dropout's cause was found and a fix is nearly ready.

The HDMI clock timing was adjusted first by a hardware change, then when that worked, they figured out how to do the same thing with firmware.

The HDMI output was within specs, but so close to the edge that unpredictable variations in player, cables, and receiving hardware could cause a fault.

This is why I'm glad I don't debug HDMI for a living. Player, cables and display can all be within spec and you can still have trouble.

The fix is to increase the safety margin on the clock timing of the HDMI output.

The firmware is still being tested, but looks good so far. Be patient, wait for the official release. Don't know exactly how long; obviously intermittent errors like this need to be exercised throughly before we can be confident they have been eliminated.

-Bill

Thanks, that's great news. Well done Oppo, impressive support - very reassuring.

Hopefully this new firmware will also fix the SACD Priority being incorrectly modified when you play a Stereo SACD?

Oh please, yes. That's driving me crazy.

The firmware only addresses the dropout errors.

Well for all of you waiting, check your email. I just got the pre-order link from Oppo. Looks like they will ship the third week of May.

I've already picked up a different player, so that leaves one more for those that want one.

wmcclain has already posted how OPPO was able to fix this through firmware (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13771618#post13771618). A hardware alteration is no longer necessary, unless something crops up in the following weeks.

The issue comes down completely to data tolerances. OPPO just opened their tolerances a bit more through software to allow for more fringe data to be sent properly. Timings are easily software addressable.

I'm sorry but I need to ask this question. I do not own a 983 but am in the process of deciding about 980, 983, different maker, etc. Does this firmware fix the problem or does it manage it? In other words there is a hardware issue. The engineers found a way to minimize its effect by doing something in the firmware that removes the symptom, the audio drop, so users don't have the audio drop but the hardware piece that is impaired is still in play? So the firmware is a work around, manages the symptom but does not "fix" the issue. Not trying to stir up trouble. Just trying to make absolutely sure that if I spend what the 983 cost I'm not buying a high priced unit that has a hardware issue. If the firmware fixes it, that's great and I have no idea one way or the other and I am not dissing OPPO. However IF the issue is hardware level and the hardware really needs to be changed, hdmi chip, etc., then that is a different matter if we are just bypassing the symptom with a firmware tweak. After all we are talking about a high priced dvd player here so I want to make sure what the fix is fixing.
The new firmware improved the HDMI compatibility, thus fixed the video/audio dropout issue on certain device combination. This is not a hardware issue. The initial hardware modification is to help identify the root cause. :)

I'm sorry but I need to ask this question. I do not own a 983 but am in the process of deciding about 980, 983, different maker, etc. Does this firmware fix the problem or does it manage it? In other words there is a hardware issue. The engineers found a way to minimize its effect by doing something in the firmware that removes the symptom, the audio drop, so users don't have the audio drop but the hardware piece that is impaired is still in play? So the firmware is a work around, manages the symptom but does not "fix" the issue. Not trying to stir up trouble. Just trying to make absolutely sure that if I spend what the 983 cost I'm not buying a high priced unit that has a hardware issue. If the firmware fixes it, that's great and I have no idea one way or the other and I am not dissing OPPO. However IF the issue is hardware level and the hardware really needs to be changed, hdmi chip, etc., then that is a different matter if we are just bypassing the symptom with a firmware tweak. After all we are talking about a high priced dvd player here so I want to make sure what the fix is fixing.
Technically there is nothing wrong with their hardware. it was certified, in every way, pass all tests, and works with probably over 95% of owners out there, including myself...

So to increase the tolerances with firmware vs hardware, really doesn't matter. It going to help fix it for few folks having issues. They went above and beyond for these few customers.

Just put my pre-order in for one of these babes, can't wait to see what my old SD DVD's look like on my 65". Can't really get anyone of my new HD players to come close to the old look I had on my 50" RPTV. But since Hi-Def is the only way to go I went that way last year on all 3 TV in my home. Hope it comes close to the Blu Ray or HD images

Thank you gentlemen but that doesn't really answer my question. There is a difference between managing the symptom via firmware and fixing the problem. If the problem was firmware from the get go, ok, firmware fixes it as in really fixes it. If however the problem still exist at the hardware level and the firmware acts to eliminate the symptom, that is a different matter. I have no idea what the issue was/is. That's why I'm asking. An answer like, "opened their tolerances..." sounds good but means very little. And "improved the hdmi compatibility" also sounds good but simply restates the issue that was being addressed. Why did it need to be addressed in the first place as in where did the hdmi incompatibility come from? Hardware or firmware? Here's what OPPO explained, and as an Electronics Engineer, I fully understand, because I've had to deal with this kind of issue before...

According to signal integrity tests done by OPPO and ABT, the 983's HDMI signal looks excellent (HARDWARE is fine). The problem was a clock-to-data timing issue (a simple FIRMWARE fix).

The HDMI clock edge was marginally close to the HDMI data edge. Since the data is read on the clock edge, timing tolerances in the receiving equipment could intermittently cause data values to be read before they've had enough time to change properly. This would cause momentary data errors (drop-outs). So OPPO delayed the clock edge to make sure that the data has enough setup-and-hold time before being read.

Gary

Just put my pre-order in for one of these babes, can't wait to see what my old SD DVD's look like on my 65". Can't really get anyone of my new HD players to come close to the old look I had on my 50" RPTV. But since Hi-Def is the only way to go I went that way last year on all 3 TV in my home. Hope it comes close to the Blu Ray or HD images


Anyone heard when these will be shipping again? I signed up 2 weeks ago and have not heard anything yet. I am taking a wild guess but my thinking was they did not want to sell anymore until they got some of the issues solved and it now sounds like they have. So I am thinking more might be available soon.

May 15 estimated ship date.

And the delay was due to standard manufacturing lead times, not because of the dropout complaints.

Quick question for someone in the know.

In the fully modified 983 unit with the DEXA D-Clock Reference Clock Upgrade, will the clock-to-data timing problem still be an issue for a firmware fix?

DEXA D-Clock Reference Clock Upgrade description:

The OEM Oppo master clock is a basic pierce oscillator which feeds directly into the ASIC
(DSP) chip . Phase noise and power supply injected noise here is high affecting all audio
and video formats with "jitter". The DEXA clock has an extremely low phase noise oscillator
(around 1.5 picoseconds Jitter RMS) and dramatically improves all areas of CD, SACD and
DVD playback. The ultra-low jitter and noise performance of the D-Clock immediately
releases impressive sound quality from the Oppo DV-983H & shifts the players tonality to
remove hardness & harshness; the overall frequency range is more natural and unforced.
Lower frequencies on CD/SACD/DVD playback have greater impact, weight and control.
Greater dimension is added to music and movies, vocals and instruments having improved
spatial qualities with a more solid, palpable feel. The DEXA clock has a very unique function
of isolating the clock signal ground to the power supply ground, so there is no ground loop,
and also there is no Mains Noise injection for the cleanest clock signal possible.

The DEXA D-Clock now eliminates the need for a dedicated (and costly) external
dedicated power supply due to its inherent mains/ground isolation topologies.
Highly Recommended by all means for the best audio and video performance

In the fully modified 983 unit with the DEXA D-Clock Reference Clock Upgrade, will the clock-to-data timing problem still be an issue for a firmware fix? If your modified clock has the same hardware timing as the old one, the new firmware will work just fine.

Gary

If your modified clock has the same hardware timing as the old one, the new firmware will work just fine.

Gary

Gary,
Thanks for the quick reply now I must research this hardware timing question between the 2 clocks.

Gary,
Thanks for the quick reply now I must research this hardware timing question between the 2 clocks.As GSB says if its the same XTAL frequency utilized, then the timing should be the same. If it turns out to be a issue then you need to take it up with your vendor who supplied the modified 983H with a DEXA Technologies D-CLOCK Master Clock. Its just a crystal oscillator that offers extremely low phase noise (jitter).

Gary,
Thanks for the quick reply now I must research this hardware timing question between the 2 clocks.

I'm interested in hearing what you find out. I've been thinking of ordering the modded one myself.

wmcclain has already posted how OPPO was able to fix this through firmware (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13771618#post13771618). A hardware alteration is no longer necessary, unless something crops up in the following weeks.

The issue comes down completely to data tolerances. OPPO just opened their tolerances a bit more through software to allow for more fringe data to be sent properly. Timings are easily software addressable.

When will the firmware fix be available for download for everyone, and where from? Thanks.

Keith

When will the firmware fix be available for download for everyone, and where from? Thanks.

KeithIf you have a video/audio drop issue then contact Oppo tech support, otherwise it will probably be several days from now. It will be made available from the 983H support page (http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/dv983h_support.asp) when released.

I'm interested in hearing what you find out. I've been thinking of ordering the modded one myself.You should try the un-modded one first as the 983H has had several improvements over the 980H.

Per JEJ:
The analog output stage of the 983H is based on the same design as the 980H, but receives some further optimization:

1.Isolated power regulators and larger capacitors are used for each portion of the analog audio path: the digital portion of the DAC, the analog portion of the DAC, and the op-amps.
2.The power supply voltage for the op-amps is raised to 12V and -12V from the 980H’s 9V and -9V. This helps with the dynamic range.
3.The front L/R channels receive special treatment with better audio coupling capacitors and power de-coupling capacitors.
4.The switching power supply is electro-magnetically shielded.

As GSB says if its the same XTAL frequency utilized, then the timing should be the same. If it turns out to be a issue then you need to take it up with your vendor who supplied the modified 983H with a DEXA Technologies D-CLOCK Master Clock. Its just a crystal oscillator that offers extremely low phase noise (jitter). It is not just the frequency that matters, but also the clock delay (phase shift), which OPPO was able to adjust on their experimental HDMI board.

An interesting question though... which clock would this vendor have modified... the mainboard clock, or the HDMI clock? If its the mainboard clock, i30krab has nothing to worry about.

Gary

It is not just the frequency that matters, but also the clock delay (phase shift), which OPPO was able to adjust on their experimental HDMI board.

An interesting question though... which clock would this vendor have modified... the mainboard clock, or the HDMI clock? If its the mainboard clock, i30krab has nothing to worry about.

GaryIts the mainboard clock that has been replaced as this effects mainly the audio performance, and yes the HDMI board has its own separate clock, so I don't get why i30krab is concerned?

If the problem was firmware from the get go, ok, firmware fixes it as in really fixes it.

That is the case. Firmware was the cause and is the fix.

This should have been caught during the beta period, but I had two beta machines that did not display the fault. The random chance of small numbers sometimes delivers Bad Luck. A larger beta program would have helped, but there are limits to what a small company like Oppo can do in this regard.

-Bill

If you have a video/audio drop issue then contact Oppo tech support, otherwise it will probably be several days from now. It will be made available from the 983H support page (http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/dv983h_support.asp) when released.

Thanks for that. I don't have a problem with my 983 currently, but obviously will want to update the firmware when it's available so that I will be 'future-proof' against any system changes I might make in the future.

Keith

No. PC RGB is completely unrelated to gamma. You need to try the YCbCr or RGB Video settings to show Blacker-Than-Black and WTW. However, if your display cannot be calibrated correctly with those settings, it may be expecting PC RGB, in which case you can only set the 983 to RGB PC, and BTB/WTW will probably not show up.

Gary

You were absolutely right - changing the setting to RGB Video made BTB/WTW visible. YCbCr did not work - thanks a lot.
What produces the better pq quality between RGB and YCbCr? I guess I major improved the picture by changing from auto to RGB. Strange that the dvd player did not detect that the pj accepts only RGB.
Ayway great forum!

Quick question for someone in the know.

In the fully modified 983 unit with the DEXA D-Clock Reference Clock Upgrade, will the clock-to-data timing problem still be an issue for a firmware fix?

DEXA D-Clock Reference Clock Upgrade description:

The OEM Oppo master clock is a basic pierce oscillator which feeds directly into the ASIC
(DSP) chip . Phase noise and power supply injected noise here is high affecting all audio
and video formats with "jitter". The DEXA clock has an extremely low phase noise oscillator
(around 1.5 picoseconds Jitter RMS) and dramatically improves all areas of CD, SACD and
DVD playback. The ultra-low jitter and noise performance of the D-Clock immediately
releases impressive sound quality from the Oppo DV-983H & shifts the players tonality to
remove hardness & harshness; the overall frequency range is more natural and unforced.
Lower frequencies on CD/SACD/DVD playback have greater impact, weight and control.
Greater dimension is added to music and movies, vocals and instruments having improved
spatial qualities with a more solid, palpable feel. The DEXA clock has a very unique function
of isolating the clock signal ground to the power supply ground, so there is no ground loop,
and also there is no Mains Noise injection for the cleanest clock signal possible.

The DEXA D-Clock now eliminates the need for a dedicated (and costly) external
dedicated power supply due to its inherent mains/ground isolation topologies.
Highly Recommended by all means for the best audio and video performance

Its the mainboard clock that has been replaced as this effects mainly the audio performance, and yes the HDMI board has its own separate clock, so I don't get why i30krab is concerned?

I believe JohnAV to be right. Are you having any dropout problems? As you know I have the modded 983 also and I have not had any dropouts. When the firmware is available for the hdmi timing I will still install it, just in case, I may have just been lucky so far.

Here's what OPPO explained, and as an Electronics Engineer, I fully understand, because I've had to deal with this kind of issue before...

According to signal integrity tests done by OPPO and ABT, the 983's HDMI signal looks excellent (HARDWARE is fine). The problem was an HDMI clock-to-data timing issue (a simple FIRMWARE fix).

The clock edge (change of state) was marginally close to the data edge. Since the receiving equipment reads the data on the clock edge, timing tolerances in that equipment could intermittently cause data values to be read before they've had enough time to change. This would cause momentary data errors (drop-outs). So OPPO delayed the clock edge to make sure that the data has enough setup-and-hold time before being read.

Gary

i30Krab, I had missed this info in my response. It would appear that the problem and fix has nothing to do with the actual clock and everything to do with the ABT chip and the hdmi timing.

[Quote] geared4me

I believe JohnAV to be right. Are you having any dropout problems? As you know I have the modded 983 also and I have not had any dropouts. When the firmware is available for the hdmi timing I will still install it, just in case, I may have just been lucky so far.

None at this point and I don't want any thank you. I guess I'm being a little paranoid about these issues.


[Quote]geared4me

i30Krab, I had missed this info in my response. It would appear that the problem and fix has nothing to do with the actual clock and everything to do with the ABT chip and the hdmi timing.

I'm a dentist not a A/V engineer or tech and most of this tech talk is Greek to me:eek:

When will the firmware fix be available for download for everyone, and where from?

A fully public release will likely be the same date as the new units which are shipping out (May 12-16).

If you have a unit already, and have dropouts, just send service@oppodigital.com and e-mail and request the beta firmware.

Guys, I am considering picking up the PS3 to go blu-ray and want to know if its worth investing in an oppon sd dvd player if the PS3 will upscale. To complicate things more, I have a Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro150-FD plasma which I believe (I just got it) has a great upscale capability. So does it make sense to even pick up an upscaling oppo DVD player? I'm a newbie to the all the technical differences so I just don't want to waste money on something if the blue ray player will do the job on upscaling my old sd dvd's. Thanks.

Unless you need a truly dedicated, high quality standard definition DVD player, there is no need to really purchase a PS3 and a DV-983H.

Unless you need a truly dedicated, high quality standard definition DVD player, there is no need to really purchase a PS3 and a DV-983H.

This unit along with my 60" Pioneer kuro is so good I really have no interest in BR at this time.

Really, who needs the aggravation of trying to find BR movies to no avail?

It's even worse because I never buy them I only rent.

As far as the PS3 unit I'm not into games so I wouldn't purchase one. Of course many people feel different.

Guys, I am considering picking up the PS3 to go blu-ray and want to know if its worth investing in an oppon sd dvd player if the PS3 will upscale. To complicate things more, I have a Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro150-FD plasma which I believe (I just got it) has a great upscale capability. So does it make sense to even pick up an upscaling oppo DVD player? I'm a newbie to the all the technical differences so I just don't want to waste money on something if the blue ray player will do the job on upscaling my old sd dvd's. Thanks.

Here's what Kris Deering said recently:

Conclusions

Like most game consoles, the PS3 is not what I would call a preferred video playback solution for standard DVDs. However, it is far and away one of the best Blu-ray players on the market today and an outstanding value for those looking to add HD support to their home theater system. But I would still recommend a higher quality stand alone DVD player for the more demanding home theater enthusiast.

Link: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/dvd-player-and-cd-player-reviews/dvd-players/sony-playstation-ps3-fw-2.1.html

Dana

Guys, I am considering picking up the PS3 to go blu-ray and want to know if its worth investing in an oppon sd dvd player if the PS3 will upscale. To complicate things more, I have a Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro150-FD plasma which I believe (I just got it) has a great upscale capability. So does it make sense to even pick up an upscaling oppo DVD player? I'm a newbie to the all the technical differences so I just don't want to waste money on something if the blue ray player will do the job on upscaling my old sd dvd's. Thanks.

For me it's worth it to be able to play Up-Scaled DVD's Region Free. I have a few DVD's from Europe like the Little Norse Prince, the Mortal Kombat Conquest series Box Set and some ebay bought DVD's like Doctor Mordrid, Archer: Fugitive from the Empire, Captain America and various Tarzan movies that won't play on a regular player.

This unit along with my 60" Pioneer kuro is so good I really have no interest in BR at this time.


I use the Pioneer 60" 150FD. The 983 does a great job of upconverting and I use if for my large collection of DVDs that aren't available on BD (many of which may never ever he available on BD). But it (and any other upconverting SD player) is a far cry from a movie in HD. If you can't see a significant difference on a 60" display and are happy with SD upconverts, well, then you'll save a lot of money on BD players and disks, but I just can't see how you'll enjoy the upconverted SD picture as well as you'd enjoy the movie in HD.



Really, who needs the aggravation of trying to find BR movies to no avail?


Aggravation? I look at a web site to see what HD movies are coming out. If I see something I like I simply order it online. Then it arrives. Where's the aggravation? Those movies that aren't out yet, well, they aren't out. No different than when DVDs first started.


It's even worse because I never buy them I only rent.


Why should that make a difference? I rent BD movies that I don't want to watch over and over again. If a movie is available in SD and BD, I'd certainly rather rent the BD version.

Here's what Kris Deering said recently:


Link: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/dvd-player-and-cd-player-reviews/dvd-players/sony-playstation-ps3-fw-2.1.html

DanaUnfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it :) ) the PS3 needs a review after (almost) each new firmware revision. The keep making improvements and fixing bugs. The linked review is 2 months old (and how much prior did Kris have to have the review done... i.e. lead time) and 2(?) major PS3 FW releases ago. However, I still doubt it can totally compete with the ABTs and Reons for SD deinterlacing. For a one box solution for video its not bad at all.

larry

I have the following audio question to the Oppo cognoscenti:

If I hook up the Oppo 983 only via the 5.1 analog outs to a Yamaha DSP-A1 receiver (which does not process the analog 5.1 signal; it just amplifies it and sends it to the speakers), will I be able to set up the Oppo so that it decodes Redbook CDs, multi-channel and stereo SACDs, DVD-As, DTS-surround DVDs and sends them correctly to the analog outs without me changing any settings on the player when I pop in the disc?

I guess what I am asking is whether the 5.1 analog connection of Oppo 983 to a receiver will be versatile enough to listen to CDs, SACDs, DVD-As, and DVDs without changing settings.

DSP-A1 does not support HDMI, only analog, coax, and optical.

TIA for any advice.

Another short review of the Oppo 983H this time from AUDIOPHILE AUDITION (http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=4142) by John Sunier. (5/1/2008)

Another short review of the Oppo 983H this time from AUDIOPHILE AUDITION (http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=4142) by John Sunier. (5/1/2008)

Wow, "For the best possible image display on a larger screen without a separate scaler, the 983H is a terrific performer at its low price. "

What a good words it is!:)

Sorry if I missed one of the answers for this question but I tried to read all of the listings. If I get the 983, optomahd65, a 110' fixed screen, what is a good reciever to get with this. I want to spend about five hundred. thanks

Do you put the oppo hdmi connection right into the projectors hdmi input and use the reciever only for sound or do you put the oppo,s hdmi into the reciever then into the projector? thanks

Do you put the oppo hdmi connection right into the projectors hdmi input and use the reciever only for sound or do you put the oppo,s hdmi into the reciever then into the projector? Either way. But if you go through the receiver, you need to set the receiver to pass the video to the display untouched (no scaling, etc).

Gary

Wow, "For the best possible image display on a larger screen without a separate scaler, the 983H is a terrific performer at its low price. "

What a good words it is!:)What a good player it is! All the reviews agree.

Gary

I am trying to figure out if I need to buy the Oppo 983. My plan is to run everything through my Onkyo 705, then to a new XBR 8 in a few months. My question is, which has the better upconvert technology for SD discs, the Oppo or the video processor in the XBR 8, which has been upgraded? I will not be using the video processor in the Onkyo.

I have the choice from my projector to set color space to YCbCr or RGB. What gives the better picture for mainly movie watching on dvd?

I am trying to figure out if I need to buy the Oppo 983. My plan is to run everything through my Onkyo 705, then to a new XBR 8 in a few months. My question is, which has the better upconvert technology for SD discs, the Oppo or the video processor in the XBR 8, which has been upgraded? I will not be using the video processor in the Onkyo.The Onkyo 705 has only DCDi (Faroujda), the XBR 8 will offer the new BRAVIA Engine 2 PRO 1080p video processor, not sure if Sony's best is equal to Anchor Bay latest. Comments?

I have the choice from my projector to set color space to YCbCr or RGB. What gives the better picture for mainly movie watching on dvd? Both. Performance should be identical, unless the display screws up the YCbCr conversion, in which case, the picture would look a little green.

Gary

I am trying to figure out if I need to buy the Oppo 983. My plan is to run everything through my Onkyo 705, then to a new XBR 8 in a few months. My question is, which has the better upconvert technology for SD discs, the Oppo or the video processor in the XBR 8, which has been upgraded? I will not be using the video processor in the Onkyo. It is extremely unlikely that the Sony Bravia engine would match the ABT chip in the 983. The Sony may be fine for mainstream film-based DVD's with no bad edits, but not much else. I have the current Bravia engine, and it's good, but certainly no match for the 983.

Gary

The biggest reason I put my name on the Oppo 983 list is because of their responsivness to problems. Their recent firmware update to fix a HDMI timing issue shows me that they are really with it. I detest the big name companies that put out a product and then wait ages to do firmware updates. With all the new technologies and equipment there will be nothing BUT problems with individuals and brands. Sure the 983 is expensive, but I want something that WORKS, period. When something comes up, and it will, I believe the Oppo company, engineers and management, will diligently work to fix it. Besides having good engineers, you need a company that has a management will to fix things that are not working, in a timely manner. That is the hallmark of a winner. I think they will be pleasantly surprised at how many they sell.

The biggest reason I put my name on the Oppo 983 list is because of their responsivness to problems. Their recent firmware update to fix a HDMI timing issue shows me that they are really with it. I detest the big name companies that put out a product and then wait ages to do firmware updates. With all the new technologies and equipment there will be nothing BUT problems with individuals and brands. Sure the 983 is expensive, but I want something that WORKS, period. When something comes up, and it will, I believe the Oppo company, engineers and management, will diligently work to fix it. Besides having good engineers, you need a company that has a management will to fix things that are not working, in a timely manner. That is the hallmark of a winner. I think they will be pleasantly surprised at how many they sell.

I fully agree with the above and want to add that this good reputation is even reflected in the resale price of their product.
I upgraded from the 971 to 983 and got back more then half of the original price of the 971 after 4 years of usage. I know that this old machine still fullfills a great duty to the guy who bought it.
Good reliability and good service pays off in every sense. Lousy designed and made electronics wastes resources and peoples patience. I still enjoy my 25 year old NAD receiver (works flawless).

Both. Performance should be identical, unless the display screws up the YCbCr conversion, in which case, the picture would look a little green.

Gary

thanks for the info - I have it now set to RGB video on the player level and automatic on the projector level. Calibration dvd shows now all bars (btb/wtw). The settings for brightness and contrast are identical with my previous dvd player (oppo 971) - coincidence?

I just received Foyle's War Fifth Series, a set of three PAL Region 2 DVDs from the UK. They are shot in 16:9, made for TV (and I think recorded on film but can't be sure) and will be shown later this year in this country on PBS. The three episode fifth series just finished its first run showing on TV in the UK last month.

My usual PAL Region 2 DVDs are oldies, B&W 4:3 etc. So, I was interested to see just how well the OPPO 983 handled a really well-made PAL Region 2 SD DVD when upconverted to 1080p and shown on my 47" 1080p LCD display. Jaw-dropping good is the answer. Maybe not technically HD but oh so close! Speaking of close, this series features lots of closeups, head shots that fill the screen. You can see individual hairs, skin pores, blotches, etc. Not exactly what the director had in mind perhaps, but illustrative of the high quality playback.

My OPPO 981 handled the earlier PAL Region 2 DVDs in this series very well. But, I have to think that the 983 has raised the bar a bit higher.

I am in awe of this player.

Dana

I just received Foyle's War Fifth Series, a set of three PAL Region 2 DVDs from the UK.

FOYLE'S WAR has a big fan-base in our house.

Off topic, but if you ever get a chance to compare a well-mastered PAL title with it's NTSC version, I would like to hear your comments. Not just the detail, but the color balance. I have wondered if there isn't some systematic conversion error when translating PAL to NTSC, but have never been able to research the matter properly.

Edit: I'm talking about the disc mastering itself, not the PAL->NTSC conversion inside the Oppo.

-Bill

You should try the un-modded one first as the 983H has had several improvements over the 980H.

Per JEJ:
The analog output stage of the 983H is based on the same design as the 980H, but receives some further optimization:

1.Isolated power regulators and larger capacitors are used for each portion of the analog audio path: the digital portion of the DAC, the analog portion of the DAC, and the op-amps.
2.The power supply voltage for the op-amps is raised to 12V and -12V from the 980H’s 9V and -9V. This helps with the dynamic range.
3.The front L/R channels receive special treatment with better audio coupling capacitors and power de-coupling capacitors.
4.The switching power supply is electro-magnetically shielded.

As a non-techie, I would appreciate if someone could help me out here.

If one were to use the 983, instead of the 980, for playing CDs via an external DAC, would any of the improvements in the 983 be of use?

In the list of improvements above, is it correct to say that items 1 to 3 are irrelevant because the digital signal is tapped before all these portions?

What about item 4? Is the power supply mentioned there for the entire unit? For the entire audio section including the picking up and transmission of the digital audio signal? Or just for the audio processing section that won't be used for someone who takes the digital out to an external DAC?

Also, I haven't been able to find much info on the "Precision Track 3" drive mechanism. How much of an improvement is this over the previous ones in use? Seems like this may be the only benefit for someone using the 983 as a CD transport.

Thanks.

The biggest reason I put my name on the Oppo 983 list is because of their responsivness to problems. Their recent firmware update to fix a HDMI timing issue shows me that they are really with it. I detest the big name companies that put out a product and then wait ages to do firmware updates. With all the new technologies and equipment there will be nothing BUT problems with individuals and brands. Sure the 983 is expensive, but I want something that WORKS, period. When something comes up, and it will, I believe the Oppo company, engineers and management, will diligently work to fix it. Besides having good engineers, you need a company that has a management will to fix things that are not working, in a timely manner. That is the hallmark of a winner. I think they will be pleasantly surprised at how many they sell.


I was undecided whether I should upgrade to the 983 from the 981. My name is now on the 983 list. I own both the 971 and 981 and have already been impressed by OPPO, but they continue to amaze me with their exceptional support. As far as BD is concerned, I will not buy a BD player until OPPO releases one.

Has anyone upgraded from a Denon 2910 or 3910 to this Oppo? Worth the upgrade considering the price? Looking at Secret's DVD Benchmark this Oppo got a 100/100 while the 2910 got an 86/100. I have a large DVD collection (1k+) with a few hundred PAL/multi-region discs...

I'm thinking of giving my parents who are finally starting to build a decent HT my Denon and buying the 983H as my "end-all" DVD player.

I've never experienced any Oppo products, only the aforementioned 2910, HD-A1, HD-A35, and PS3 in terms of DVD playback.

I was undecided whether I should upgrade to the 983 from the 981.

My opinion: the differences in video quality between the better DVD players is most noticeable when you are doing A/B testing, much less so if you are simply watcing movies without doing side-by-side comparisons.

I have been pleased with my 981 and 980. The 983 is better, but the questions is: "is this the sort of difference that actually gives you greater viewing pleasure?"

On the one hand I would say "no, I can be well statisfied with the older players."

But, irritatingly, if you are fanatical about your DVDs there is this little nagging voice that won't let you rest there. Even small differences, once perceived, tend to loom larger in your mind.

It's a problem. If Blu-Ray were coming on strong then I could wait for my titles to become available in that format. But it is coming on slowly, and my titles will be on HD media approximately "never".

-Bill

Updated 04/18/2008: CNET (David Katzmaier) Review (http://reviews.cnet.com/video-players-and-recorders/oppo-dv-983h/4505-6463_7-32896592.html)
Updated 04/10/2008: HDTV Solutions (Dick De Jong) Review (http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/OPPO_DV-983H_DVD_Player_Review.htm)
Updated 04/07/2008: DV983H-06-0406 (http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/dv983h-firmware-06-0406.html) Firmware Released
Updated 03/25/2008: About.com (Robert Silva) Review (http://hometheater.about.com/od/dvdproductreviews/fr/oppodv983full.htm)
Updated 03/20/2008: Jeffhdz DV-983H Versus PS3 Comparison (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13357573#post13357573)
Updated 03/20/2008: HDTVPodcast Review (http://www.htguys.com/archive/2008/March18.html)
Updated 03/20/2008: Darthfunk Mini Review (Singapore) (http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=52599.msg383979#msg383979)
Updated 03/10/2008: wmcclain (Bill McClain) Beta Wrapup (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13342161#post13342161)
Updated 03/10/2008: Gonk's DV-983H Review (http://www.prillaman.net/oppo983_review.html)
Another new review (http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/reviews/2008/03/oppo_dv-983h_1080p_up-converting_universal_dvd_player.php)...

Has anyone upgraded from a Denon 2910 or 3910 to this Oppo?
I own both the Denon 3910 and the Oppo 983.

For audio (from the analog outputs), I still prefer the Denon, though the difference is not huge. And I can't imagine there'd be any appreciable difference in audio quality with a digital connection. However, for HDMI video, the difference is huge: the Oppo wipes the floor with the Denon. In particular, the Oppo's deinterlacing and PAL-to-NTSC conversion are vastly superior. So if DVD playback is your priority, and your display is connected via HDMI, do not hesitate to get the Oppo!

I own both the Denon 3910 and the Oppo 983.

For audio (from the analog outputs), I still prefer the Denon, though the difference is not huge. And I can't imagine there'd be any appreciable difference in audio quality with a digital connection. However, for HDMI video, the difference is huge: the Oppo wipes the floor with the Denon. In particular, the Oppo's deinterlacing and PAL-to-NTSC conversion are vastly superior. So if DVD playback is your priority, and your display is connected via HDMI, do not hesitate to get the Oppo!
Thanks Paul! :)

I'm surprised you say the Oppo's deinterlacing is better than the Denon. The Denon's deinterlacing is much better than any other player I've personally seen. Though that's awesome to hear, after going HD DVD/Blu-ray and going back to the Denon, I found it's flaws very problematic. The Denon's macroblocking and green push were tolerable before, but now it sticks out like a sore thumb. It's great that the Oppo is clear step up! :D

I just noticed in the .pdf data sheet of this player there's mention of a dual head laser pickup, why would the player need two pickups? :confused:

[QUOTE=townofturley;13780795]
I use the Pioneer 60" 150FD. The 983 does a great job of upconverting and I use if for my large collection of DVDs that aren't available on BD (many of which may never ever he available on BD). But it (and any other upconverting SD player) is a far cry from a movie in HD. If you can't see a significant difference on a 60" display and are happy with SD upconverts, well, then you'll save a lot of money on BD players and disks, but I just can't see how you'll enjoy the upconverted SD picture as well.

Trust me, with my Pioneer plasma + Richard Gray isolation products + the fully modded Oppo 983, my picture is as good as HD. One would have to set up a side by side comparison to note any minor differences

From the latest review posted by Damnationdoormat post 1824
Conclusion
We really liked the OPPO Digital DV-983H. So who should spend $399 on it? If you are really into movies and have a large collection of DVDs this is the player that will do the best with everything you have. If you have a front projector and don't want to spend $3000 on a video processor this player will do the same thing, at least for your DVDs, for a fraction of the cost. If you are a videophile and you want the absolute best video performance the 983 is for you. Finally, if you just can't bring yourself to buying a Blu Ray Player this is the unit for you.

"

Has anyone upgraded from a Denon 2910 or 3910 to this Oppo? Worth the upgrade considering the price? Looking at Secret's DVD Benchmark this Oppo got a 100/100 while the 2910 got an 86/100. I have a large DVD collection (1k+) with a few hundred PAL/multi-region discs...

I'm thinking of giving my parents who are finally starting to build a decent HT my Denon and buying the 983H as my "end-all" DVD player.

I've never experienced any Oppo products, only the aforementioned 2910, HD-A1, HD-A35, and PS3 in terms of DVD playback.

Why not give the 983 to your parents? :D

i30....

No doubt the pq is superb. Picture is not the only reason for blue ray. The high def audio really adds a lot. That of course does not mean dd 5.1 or dts is bad. Just that sd-dvd to hd dvd is more than just pq.

We're a little early on the comparison thing as well. You have with the 983 the peak of sd-dvd technology. Hard to argue against it being anything less then the best sd-dvd playback possible. With blue ray we are at the beginning of the bell curve of its technology not the back side of that bell curve like where we are with sd-dvd. I am one of those who is excited about OPPO's blue ray player when it gets here. They clearly know what they are doing and are committed to its customers.

The 983 is obviously squeezing every bit of performance out of the sd-dvd technology because the dance has been going on for some time. With blue ray, that dance is just getting started.

I couldn't say it better :)

I definitely will join the Oppo BR party when it starts but for now why take an ugly date to this years prom when next year you can take the prom queen? :cool:

Any ETA on the SACD priority fix? The upcoming firmware NOT fixing this problem is a rather large disappointment as far as I'm concerned.

Trust me, with my Pioneer plasma + Richard Gray isolation products + the fully modded Oppo 983, my picture is as good as HD. One would have to set up a side by side comparison to note any minor differences



I love the 983. It's a fantastic performer. Many of my DVDs look absolutely great when played from the 983. But to think that a source with SD DVD's resolution can look like a 1080 resolution source is just something I'm not going to buy. Nothing can accurately create pixels that well.

Any ETA on the SACD priority fix? The upcoming firmware NOT fixing this problem is a rather large disappointment as far as I'm concerned.

I talked with Oppo about this last week. They are aware of the problem and are working on it. But no ETA for a fix.

Another question, is the 983H worth it on 720p display? :o

Another question, is the 983H worth it on 720p display? :oIf the display is at least 46" . . . yes!

If the display is at least 46" . . . yes!

Ditto. I currently use it at 720p on an 8' screen and it looks awesome.

Cool, I have a 50" Samsung "Captain Kirk" DLP, just making sure.

Now Oppo just has to get them back in-stock! :p

I couldn't say it better :)

I definitely will join the Oppo BR party when it starts but for now why take an ugly date to this years prom when next year you can take the prom queen? :cool:

While I agree that my 893 does a better job than my PS3 on sd-dvd's when it comes to PQ when it comes to operation the PS3 is a MUCH slicker unit than the OPPO. Sony have been very good with firmware updates and the PS3 handles Divx etc better than the 983. If a fantastic HD PQ is important to you I would suggest that you don't have to wait a year, there is a great unit on the market now! Just my opinion :)

Just some feedback-

Hooked-up my new 983, put in a DVD and experienced video drop-outs within a few minutes. BUMMER.
I hope to have the firmware fix soon ! I'm just glad to read here that I don't have one-of-a-kind problem.

TA

While I agree that my 893 does a better job than my PS3 on sd-dvd's when it comes to PQ when it comes to operation the PS3 is a MUCH slicker unit than the OPPO. Sony have been very good with firmware updates and the PS3 handles Divx etc better than the 983. If a fantastic HD PQ is important to you I would suggest that you don't have to wait a year, there is a great unit on the market now! Just my opinion :)

I've never owned a PS3 so I'll have to take your word on this. But, I have seen them on the shelf and due to their unorthodox look compared to an "audiophile" styled player I can't get myself to buy one. :confused:

So tonight I finally made the decision to spring for the 983. Although I own 2 HD-DVD players (Toshiba HD A2 and HD A-30) and a Sony BR 300, I still have an extensive DVD collection (404 titles). To my dismay, 983's are sold out! After thinking over the buying decision so long and finally making the decision to make the plunge on a 983 this is very disappointing.

So tonight I finally made the decision to spring for the 983. Although I own 2 HD-DVD players (Toshiba HD A2 and HD A-30) and a Sony BR 300, I still have an extensive DVD collection (404 titles). To my dismay, 983's are sold out! After thinking over the buying decision so long and finally making the decision to make the plunge on a 983 this is very disappointing.

You can e-mail them and get on the "list". They will then notify you when more are in stock (soon) and you may then buy one. Gotta get on the list though, or you may miss out.

Just some feedback-

Hooked-up my new 983, put in a DVD and experienced video drop-outs within a few minutes. BUMMER.
I hope to have the firmware fix soon ! I'm just glad to read here that I don't have one-of-a-kind problem.

TA

Yikes, maybe it's a good thing the 983's are sold out, at a MSRP of more than a BR player that is not the kind of qaulity I will be looking for in an outdated technology.

Yikes, maybe it's a good thing the 983's are sold out, at a MSRP of more than a BR player that is not the kind of qaulity I will be looking for in an outdated technology.

The only time the 983 will be out dated technology is when the SD-DVDs disappear from all retail stores, DVD rental companies, when everyone throws their discs in the trash, and then maybe.:eek:

The only time the 983 will be out dated technology is when the SD-DVDs disappear from all retail stores, DVD rental companies, when everyone throws their discs in the trash, and then maybe.:eek:


I came across wrong in my statements. I agree with you, there is a definite market for SD-DVD, myself included. I have no plans to replace my entire SD-DVD collection. I should have stated: my "next-generation" BR and HD-DVD players do only a marginal job at best at playing my SD-DVD titles, I would like to have something better. However, any player that is subject to video drop-outs is not something I'm interested in. The 983 sounds like the player for me, but I just don't want any hardware problems.

I came across wrong in my statements. I agree with you, there is a definite market for SD-DVD, myself included. I have no plans to replace my entire SD-DVD collection. I should have stated: my "next-generation" BR and HD-DVD players do only a marginal job at best at playing my SD-DVD titles, I would like to have something better. However, any player that is subject to video drop-outs is not something I'm interested in. The 983 sounds like the player for me, but I just don't want any hardware problems.

I understand 100%, when I see members having trouble with any new units I shudder. Who needs that grief?

Mail from Oppo regarding faulty players:

> However please clarify the rumours about the
> faulty hardware batch of the 983. Is the problem
> software or hardware related?

There are no faulty DV-983H units. The dropout problems reported were
caused by, and similarly fixed by, a firmware update. All shipping
players will have the firmware which addresses this issue before being
shipped out.

Best Regards,

Customer Service

Just some feedback-

Hooked-up my new 983, put in a DVD and experienced video drop-outs within a few minutes. BUMMER.
I hope to have the firmware fix soon ! I'm just glad to read here that I don't have one-of-a-kind problem.

TA

I emailed OPPO on saturday and received my firmware update on sunday. You can either email them yourself or wait for them to post the new firmware on their website.
- Esau

Yikes, maybe it's a good thing the 983's are sold out, at a MSRP of more than a BR player that is not the kind of qaulity I will be looking for in an outdated technology.

So, how many BD and HDDVD players are there that haven't needed a firmware upgrade? Based upon your statement, you shouldn't be buying anything. If you're expecting perfection in all new shipping products, you're going to be very disappointed.

The Oppo problem will be fixed with a firmware upgrade.

So, how many BD and HDDVD players are there that haven't needed a firmware upgrade? Based upon your statement, you shouldn't be buying anything. If you're expecting perfection in all new shipping products, you're going to be very disappointed.

The Oppo problem will be fixed with a firmware upgrade.

I upgraded to the new beta firmware a few days ago.

My dropouts have disappeared. Zero. 5 films over the weekend, not a single drop out.

Bravo!

983H > Onkyo 705 > Samsung 46" LCD

I upgraded to the new beta firmware a few days ago.

My dropouts have disappeared. Zero. 5 films over the weekend, not a single drop out.

Bravo!


Same here. I watched my PAL version of Bee Movie and Phil Collins First Farewell Tour, both of which had many random dropouts with the current firmware and were picture perfect with the beta firmware.
I have to call Oppo today to cancel my advance replacement. :)

So, how many BD and HDDVD players are there that haven't needed a firmware upgrade? Based upon your statement, you shouldn't be buying anything. If you're expecting perfection in all new shipping products, you're going to be very disappointed.

The Oppo problem will be fixed with a firmware upgrade.

I updated both my HD-DVD players and my BR player the day I bought them, I didn't have to wait for a firmware update to come out. That being said, yes I do expect perfection in a product, as far as stability and hardware issues, as I think we all should. I have not yet experienced a single video or audio drop-out, or any other hardware problem, from my HD-DVD or BR players yet, and that is exactly what I expect from any product I pay for.

I updated both my HD-DVD players and my BR player the day I bought them, I didn't have to wait for a firmware update to come out. That being said, yes I do expect perfection in a product, as far as stability and hardware issues, as I think we all should. I have not yet experienced a single video or audio drop-out, or any other hardware problem, from my HD-DVD or BR players yet, and that is exactly what I expect from any product I pay for.

And you bought your BD and HD-DVD player within the 1st month of release? Don't think so. It was several weeks before any firmware was available for the 1st HD-DVD players. Didn't follow Blu Ray.

And you bought your BD and HD-DVD player within the 1st month of release? Don't think so. It was several weeks before any firmware was available for the 1st HD-DVD players. Didn't follow Blu Ray.

I was an early adopter of the first generation Panasonic Blu-ray BD10 player, a very good player in my opinion and that of Kris Deering BTW. It has gone through seven (count 'em = 7) firmware updates starting 11/1/06 with the most recent being 10/10/07! Actually, I think that it a plus in that some other HD player manufacturers just chucked their first gen players and issued second and third gen ones with updated capabilities. :(

Dana

This should not become a "merit-of-the-983H-vs.-Blu-ray-thread." There are enough places to discuss HD media without bringing the conversation here.

Firmware updates are common with new-release products. I'm just glad Oppo has been able to track down the problem so quickly. My order is in the next to be shipped, so it should be updated before being sent. Great news and great company, with quality products that hold their value.

This is a long thread and I'm just wondering if anyone knows if the upcoming Oppo Bluray player is supposed to support the same chips used it this model for SDVD upconverting? If so that would probably make it the best upconverting Bluray player and it would be worth the wait.

jcg

Hello all, i'm new to this forum, but been watching it since 983 came out, Here's my problem: I have the 983 connected directly to my new Epson projector homecinema lite 720 with HDMI. I'm trying to set up my 983 and my projector to get the fuc.... BTB with thx optimizer, i can only see the 8 first boxes, can't even see the dropshadow under the THX logo, tried 720P and 1080i, tried colorspace: auto, YCbCr4:4:4, and tried RGB video level...............somebody have any other idea...

Thanks

Sacha

Forgot to write, also tried brightness and contrast settings.

sacha

Hello all, i'm new to this forum, but been watching it since 983 came out, Here's my problem: I have the 983 connected directly to my new Epson projector homecinema lite 720 with HDMI. I'm trying to set up my 983 and my projector to get the fuc.... BTB with thx optimizer, i can only see the 8 first boxes, can't even see the dropshadow under the THX logo, tried 720P and 1080i, tried colorspace: auto, YCbCr4:4:4, and tried RGB video level...............somebody have any other idea...

Thanks

Sacha


What is the CS setting in the pj? I have my Epson set to AUTO and my 983 set to AUTO and have no problems. Routing it through an Onkyo805.

... i can only see the 8 first boxes, can't even see the dropshadow under the THX logo, tried 720P and 1080i, tried colorspace: auto, YCbCr4:4:4, and tried RGB video level...............somebody have any other idea...

Try RGB PC and adjust your brightness and contrast.

Try bypassing your receiver and direct connecting to your projector.

If you use 480p, do you get BTB?

Smarty-pants, what's the model of your Epson, mine's a Powerlite home cinema 720 and i do't have a possibility of Auto for colorspace, am i missing something on my pj, and for neuromancer, tried RGB PC and 480, still doesn't work, should i buy get gray for my setup, is it supposed to be better than THX optimizer.

Thanks

Sacha

should i buy get gray for my setup, is it supposed to be better than THX optimizer.

I started with THX Optimizer and now use GetGray. I like it a lot, although I think the practice with THX Optimizer was useful.

The GetGray manual can downloaded for free at http://www.calibrate.tv/.

The issue with BTB and WTW is puzzling to me, because sometimes I see it on my LCD and sometimes I don't. I suspect the display has some sort of grayscale auto-detection feature which is not very reliable.

With the 983 I currently see BTB and WTW when using RGB "video" levels, on both HDMI and DVI inputs.

Strictly speaking BTB and WTW are not supposed to be visible anyway, but they are handy when calibrating. When I have used setups without them, I estimate the blackness and whiteness of the visible-range bars that are next to BTB and WTW and it has worked out pretty well.

-Bill

Smarty-pants, what's the model of your Epson, mine's a Powerlite home cinema 720 and i do't have a possibility of Auto for colorspace, am i missing something on my pj, and for neuromancer, tried RGB PC and 480, still doesn't work, should i buy get gray for my setup, is it supposed to be better than THX optimizer.

Thanks

Sacha

Epson Home Cinema 400. I believe the 720 is pretty much the same as the 400, only 1 year newer with improvements.
I remember seeing it just 2 days ago. Can't remeber how to find it off hand. Maybe it was only on component input?? I have both component and hdmi connected. Next time I fire up the pj I will check.
Also, my 400 has a button on the remote that is labeled PATTERN. Press it and you can acces a greyscale picture. Don't know if maybe the 720 has this also.

Yikes, maybe it's a good thing the 983's are sold out, at a MSRP of more than a BR player that is not the kind of qaulity I will be looking for in an outdated technology.
You waited "all this time" for a player you didn't even know that was out of stock for 2 months now, and also was priced at $400 for 2 months now... :rolleyes:

Smarty-pants, seems like you're the lucky guy.......or not which i turn to get your settings on the pj and the 983, i don't feed my pj with component, if you could try to give me as much info as possible, it would be a lot of help.

Thanks for your precious help

Sacha

Smarty-pants, seems like you're the lucky guy.......or not which i turn to get your settings on the pj and the 983, i don't feed my pj with component, if you could try to give me as much info as possible, it would be a lot of help.

Thanks for your precious help

Sacha

As soon as I can get some info for you (about my pj) sometime in the next couple days, I will post it for you. I am very busy this week, so I'll try not to forget ;). If I do, PLEASE send me a PM. I may even have info tonight, just not sure yet.

I updated both my HD-DVD players and my BR player the day I bought them, I didn't have to wait for a firmware update to come out. That being said, yes I do expect perfection in a product, as far as stability and hardware issues, as I think we all should. I have not yet experienced a single video or audio drop-out, or any other hardware problem, from my HD-DVD or BR players yet, and that is exactly what I expect from any product I pay for.

What? You're making no sense here. Are you saying, you bought your players within a week or two of their release and that updates were already out????? That's almost unheard of. The reality is that you purchased your players sometime after their initial release and at that time, firmware updates were already out.

But, no matter. You still accepted a player that wasn't perfect upon release. That violate your expectations. And I assume that based upon your philosophy you didn't do any additional updates because you feel the player was perfect upon release, or at least after the first update. Now I really have a headache trying to figure out your philosophy and expectations.

You might be best off just sticking with the $50 Walmart branded perfect DVD player you acquired that isn't capable of updates and forget all this advanced stuff.

So tonight I finally made the decision to spring for the 983. Although I own 2 HD-DVD players (Toshiba HD A2 and HD A-30) and a Sony BR 300, I still have an extensive DVD collection (404 titles). To my dismay, 983's are sold out! After thinking over the buying decision so long and finally making the decision to make the plunge on a 983 this is very disappointing.

So you've been following this situation so closely that you didn't even realize that the 983's were sold out???? Perhaps it's because it's so good and has become very popular. Are you disappointed in yourself or in Oppo? Do you realize that many new products get sold out initially because they are good products and quickly become popular? Is some reality testing needed here?

I'm trying to get a 320gb 2.5" USB powered hard drive to work off of the 983's USB port. I created a 50gb FAT32 partition and another NTFS partition using up the balance.

According to Oppo support the player has trouble recognizing more than 100gb of storage but is capable of powering the drive. It should be defaulting to the smaller partition but no matter what I do the player will not display Xvid files as it would with a thumb drive or disc. The drive spins up but simply stalls the player out.

Has anyone had any luck making a setup like this work?

What? You're making no sense here. Are you saying, you bought your players within a week or two of their release and that updates were already out????? That's almost unheard of. The reality is that you purchased your players sometime after their initial release and at that time, firmware updates were already out.

But, no matter. You still accepted a player that wasn't perfect upon release. That violate your expectations. And I assume that based upon your philosophy you didn't do any additional updates because you feel the player was perfect upon release, or at least after the first update. Now I really have a headache trying to figure out your philosophy and expectations.

You might be best off just sticking with the $50 Walmart branded perfect DVD player you acquired that isn't capable of updates and forget all this advanced stuff.


I don't mind updating firmware. What I am saying is that when I bought those players there were no issues with them as far as I could tell when I bought them. Everything in my home theater has had at least one update, most more than one. However if any of those components had problems that needed a firmware update to resolve, and that update was not out yet, I wouldn't have purchased any of them. I came here and read that the 983 possibly has some issues, and that the update for it is not out yet. That to me is not good enough. I'll gladly update firmware, but buying a player that may have problems that may or may not be resolved in a future update is not what I intend to do.

You guys are taking this way too seriously. I'm simply looking for a good SD-DVD player, not trying to get in a useless argument over how good or bad a product is.

So you've been following this situation so closely that you didn't even realize that the 983's were sold out???? Perhaps it's because it's so good and has become very popular. Are you disappointed in yourself or in Oppo? Do you realize that many new products get sold out initially because they are good products and quickly become popular? Is some reality testing needed here?

Wow calm down. I'm not criticizing Oppo that the players are sold out, I was simply disappointed that I couldn't get one. And I haven't been following the situation that closely, more like thinking of perhaps buying one, doing a little research, and then making the decision to get one.

Another update on my 983:

My HDMI issues (dropouts) are over. Oppo emailed me the update, it is now installed and the problem seems to be solved (one hour of viewing with no dropouts...I'm convinced).

TA

Another update on my 983:

My HDMI issues (dropouts) are over. Oppo emailed me the update, it is now installed and the problem seems to be solved (one hour of viewing with no dropouts...I'm convinced).

TAWell the next update must be close to general release, as all we hear is good news! :)

Sure wish they would add a decent screensaver instead of simply killing the output.

Smarty-pants, seems like you're the lucky guy.......or not which i turn to get your settings on the pj and the 983, i don't feed my pj with component, if you could try to give me as much info as possible, it would be a lot of help.

Thanks for your precious help

Sacha

As soon as I can get some info for you (about my pj) sometime in the next couple days, I will post it for you. I am very busy this week, so I'll try not to forget ;). If I do, PLEASE send me a PM. I may even have info tonight, just not sure yet.

Ok, somewhere I got confused on what settings there are. Explored the menus again. The AUTO color setting that I was referring to apparnatly can be set to AUTO or YCbCr or YPbPr... only available on component input.

There is also an option to change the COLOR MODE to sRGB. I have no idea what that is. This is one of the preset modes like LivingRoom, TheaterBlack, ect... and, available on both component and HDMI.

Within the HDMI input menus, there is also an option to adjust the RGB settings individually, and you can also change it to RGBCMY and change those 6 settings individually as well.

Sadly, I don't think any of these settings is what you are looking for. Sorry for the wild goose chase.:o

Well the next update must be close to general release, as all we hear is good news! :)

Sure wish they would add a decent screensaver instead of simply killing the output.

The screensaver option was batted around in beta testing. The blank screen was chosen by most users as the best option to save the valuable life on users displays, especially front projection bulbs.

The screensaver option was batted around in beta testing. The blank screen was chosen by most users as the best option to save the valuable life on users displays, especially front projection bulbs.Fine unless you have a Samsung DLP RPD display that had a dialog saying HDMI not detected. All I am suggesting is a additional screensaver option. Last time I discussed this with Oppo they thought it was a good suggestion.

Another update on my 983:

My HDMI issues (dropouts) are over. Oppo emailed me the update, it is now installed and the problem seems to be solved (one hour of viewing with no dropouts...I'm convinced).

TA

My experience as well.
- Esau

The final question: it is worth buying the Oppo 983?

Thanks,

Ricardo.

The final question: it is worth buying the Oppo 983?

Thanks,

Ricardo.

Did you read any of the posts in this thread?

The final question: it is worth buying the Oppo 983?

Thanks,

Ricardo.

Did you read any of the posts in this thread?

I haven't been posting very long, but that was still a heck of a first post. On the off-chance this is an issue with English, and that the question was actually "is it safe to buy the Oppo 983?" the answer is indisputably: YES! It always has been and if you needed any more proof you haven't been following the firmware fix for the HDMI drop-outs.

As for whether purchasing the last and best DVD player in the world is "worth it", that is a question no one can answer for you. I don't even own that many DVDs but I wanted to lock in this rare opportunity where the technology actually is expected to stop progressing.

Another consideration in the "Is it worth it?" category is one that Bill McClain has mentioned before, to which I subscribe. DVD content. After all, the ultimate end use of any disc player is to watch what's on them. And there's a lot more content available at much cheaper prices on standard DVDs than high def discs. I just picked up a dozen great SD DVD titles at $7.95 each! And when watching them on the 983, they look marvelous!

Dana

I also like to report that the new firmware update (received from Oppo after I requested) works well. Couple of weeks ago, I had my Oppo 983 replaced, and set Color Space to "RGB Video", but still got a couple of dropouts per DVD when using 1080p HDMI. After firmware upgrade, so far I have not seen video/audio dropout in my system (Oppo 983 -> Marantz 7001 -> SonyXBR4 46") after 3 days of watching under 1080p HDMI and Color Space "Auto".

One phenomena that I can not explain: for some highly compressed DVD (i.e. low resolution DVD - one DVD disc can hold 6 - 10 hours long content), after watching for 10 minutes or so, picture quality via Oppo 983 will be getting better. It seems that Oppo 983 can self-adjust to improve picture quality. Has anyone noticed this phenomena? Probably, in normal quality DVD the self-improvement also exists, but only obvious for low quality DVD's. It is pretty amazing.

Did you read any of the posts in this thread?


I read some, but wanted a final say. Tell me please:yes or not?

Thanks,

Ricardo.

I read some, but wanted a final say. Tell me please:yes or not?

Thanks,

Ricardo.

YES

The reasons I decided not to buy the 983 are the follwing:

TV - My TV isn't big enough to take full advantage of the 983 (just a 32") ( http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13353318#post13353318 ).

DVD collection - I probably don't own enough DVD's (about 50-60 including about 10 box-sets). Now, that doesn't mean I don't watch them plenty, I just feel that having a larger collection would probably mean I'd watch even more movies, thus making the purchase of a 983 more beneficial.

The cost - Being a student I don't have a lot of spare money, but if the player was $400 here in Europe (it's $580) I would probably buy it (the 980 which I might buy is about $300.)


And reading reviews etc, most seem to agree that this truly is a "videophile" player (I'm not quite there yet), and for those with large collections of dvd's. I guess the biggest thing is the cost though, if I had the money I would buy it (and a lot of other things ;)) in a heartbeat!

/zecn.

Dears,

If appear more 3 "yes", I´ll buy.

Hugs,

Ricardo.

Dears,

If appear more 3 "yes", I´ll buy.

Hugs,

Ricardo.

Yes! It's one of those rare purchases that makes me happier and happier the longer I own it!

Dears,

If appear more 3 "yes", I´ll buy.

Hugs,

Ricardo.

No.

Do you keep a running total?

The first page of this thread has many reviews. Wouldn't it be better to form your opinion from those extended sources?

Do you do player comparisons now? Do you compulsively try several calibration discs? Do you understand this player is recommended for videophile fanatics only?

I just don't want you to have false expectations. It's a fine DVD player, but sometimes people expect more than that.

-Bill

One phenomena that I can not explain: for some highly compressed DVD (i.e. low resolution DVD - one DVD disc can hold 6 - 10 hours long content), after watching for 10 minutes or so, picture quality via Oppo 983 will be getting better. It seems that Oppo 983 can self-adjust to improve picture quality. Has anyone noticed this phenomena? Probably, in normal quality DVD the self-improvement also exists, but only obvious for low quality DVD's. It is pretty amasing.

I'm glad you said that! I thought it was my imagination but I too have noticed that sometimes I will start watching a DVD via the 983 and think it's pretty good but maybe mot spectacular. Then, 10 minutes or so later, I think hmmm... actually it IS pretty spectacular after all. I put it down to the player warming up to its optimum temperature. Anyone else noticed this or has any thoughts?

Keith

I'm glad you said that! I thought it was my imagination but I too have noticed that sometimes I will start watching a DVD via the 983 and think it's pretty good but maybe mot spectacular. Then, 10 minutes or so later, I think hmmm... actually it IS pretty spectacular after all. I put it down to the player warming up to its optimum temperature. Anyone else noticed this or has any thoughts?

Fascinating. Does it still look better when you start watching from the beginning again?

Do you compulsively try several calibration discs? Do you understand this player is recommended for videophile fanatics only?I dunno, I get conflicting opinions on that when I read these threads. Sometimes I get the impression from people that it's only justified for people who are super-critical, other times I get the impression that even if you aren't inclined to spend a lot of time tweaking that it's a clear improvement over the 981. Sounds like you're in the former category.

What I want out of it is where I could watch say 10 minutes of a movie on the 981, then watch the same 10 minutes on the 983 and be able to say "that's better" without having to do side-by-side comparisons. If it's not enough better for that kind of comparison, then in my opinion it's a machine only for the fanatics as you say and not for people simply looking to improve the experience.

What I want out of it is where I could watch say 10 minutes of a movie on the 981, then watch the same 10 minutes on the 983 and be able to say "that's better" without having to do side-by-side comparisons. If it's not enough better for that kind of comparison, then in my opinion it's a machine only for the fanatics as you say and not for people simply looking to improve the experience.

To me: the differences between the better quality players tend to fade away when I'm watching a movie. They are more apparent when doing A/B switching between players, but you are not usually doing that.

This presumes no glaring errors, like deinterlacing problems. I never saw deinterlacing errors on the 981, apart from some very fine detail on Japanese animation (COWBOY BEBOP REMIX) . These can show some color flickering on the 981 which is largely absent on the 983.

I have a 983 because I was a beta tester. I use it because it is better. If I didn't have it, I wouldn't buy it, being content with the 981 and 980 I already have.

-Bill

Joe Dwarf,

A lot of the (small) differences I saw even between the 980 and 983 were the result of A/B'ing. I had I not done that, it would have been extremely difficult or almost impossible for me to tell the 980 and 983 apart on film...at least on my 60" display. The differences are subtle. Yes, the differences would be apparent after 10 minutes of viewing on each unit, but again it will depend on your display, eyes, etc.

I'm glad you said that! I thought it was my imagination but I too have noticed that sometimes I will start watching a DVD via the 983 and think it's pretty good but maybe mot spectacular. Then, 10 minutes or so later, I think hmmm... actually it IS pretty spectacular after all. I put it down to the player warming up to its optimum temperature.

You are just becoming acclimated to the quality of the picture. This happens to me all the time when watching animation fansubs. At first I will be appalled by the compression artifacts (banding, moire, aliasing and interlacing) but after I watch it for a period of time, I just ignore these visual niggles knowing that I have no alternative.

I dunno, I get conflicting opinions on that when I read these threads. Sometimes I get the impression from people that it's only justified for people who are super-critical, other times I get the impression that even if you aren't inclined to spend a lot of time tweaking that it's a clear improvement over the 981. Sounds like you're in the former category.

I am of the former category as well. The DV-983H will be an improvement over the DV-981HD, DV-980H and competitor products, but the amount of improvement greatly depends on several factors. The most important is your own personal preference and ability to discern the differences between the players. I have a very hard time showing the difference between the DV-980H and the DV-983H to friends and family members. The difference in most cases can be minor, so only a really discerning eye will appreciate the difference.

Seating distance and television size will also drastically effect the importance of the DV-983H. At most seating distances and screen sizes the difference between the players is very small, if even noticeable. I use a 77" projection at 8 feet. Visual errors are very noticeable at this size and distance.

Quality and type of media will also greatly effect the end picture results as well. For most film contents, the difference is small. You mainly see the difference in synthetic benchmarks, video and animated contents.

I've got a 46" Sharp 64 series LCD, distance around 9'. I'm thinking the 983 is overkill, although the engineer/techy side of me appreciates the effort Oppo went through to make it test so well.

I'm glad you said that! I thought it was my imagination but I too have noticed that sometimes I will start watching a DVD via the 983 and think it's pretty good but maybe mot spectacular. Then, 10 minutes or so later, I think hmmm... actually it IS pretty spectacular after all. I put it down to the player warming up to its optimum temperature. Anyone else noticed this or has any thoughts?

Keith

I have a thought.

Are you one of those guys who "break in" audio cables because they start to sound better "after awhile"?

Because I suspect that what you describe is the same thing.

PS - What is Oppo's "optimum temperature"?

I am sure now that the main problem has been identified and fixed, they can now concentrate on the 'lesser' issues and enhancements. I am sure it will take another couple of releases to iron out the remaining issues to satisfy most of the owners.

Sorry.. this was in reference to Oppo working on other issues. I should have quoted that person.

I have my 983 connected to a smaller 32" Sharp LCD and I think it's fantastic! I only have a small amount of space to work with at my house and if I ever get around to upgrading my television, I was thinking of moving to a 46" Panasonic plasma. I'm not in any rush to do that this year, though.

- David

Hi everyone, I am 2 weeks behind on posts because...Jocelyn Rose Greenwald was born two weeks ago today. :) I figured I'd let y'all know after all the "What's gonna arrive first, my Oppo 983 or my daughter?" posts. LOL I can't say I've been the most critical viewer, but I've been enjoying my 983 while nursing and sitting with a sleeping baby on my lap, not to mention watching Disney's Cinderella 1-2 times a day with my 3 year old. (Cinderella's on a break now. She needed a vacation. That or mommy was going to smash the DVD to smithereens. LOL)

Joy

Congratulations Joy! Its nice that you can enjoy the baby and the 983 simultaneously!

As for wanting to smash a DVD or two, I completely understand... I have a 4 yr old!

Gary

What I want out of it is where I could watch say 10 minutes of a movie on the 981, then watch the same 10 minutes on the 983 and be able to say "that's better" without having to do side-by-side comparisons. If it's not enough better for that kind of comparison, then in my opinion it's a machine only for the fanatics as you say and not for people simply looking to improve the experience. To a large degree, it depends on what you watch. If you only ever watch major film releases, the 980 looks really good on smaller (<50") displays. However, if you watch other, trickier content, the 981 does considerably better (though there is a risk of intensified macroblocking), whereas the 983 does better still, with no risk of macroblocking.

With such disks, you can definitely see the improvements, without having to do any side-by-side comparisons.

Gary

Ordered the 981 based on the general consensus. It will hold me over until Oppo or somebody else builds a decent DVD/Blu-Ray combo box.

Ordered the 981 based on the general consensus. It will hold me over until Oppo or somebody else builds a decent DVD/Blu-Ray combo box.

Sorry but the 983 dwarfs the 981. LOL, sorry I couldn't resist this one!

Ordered the 981 based on the general consensus. It will hold me over until Oppo or somebody else builds a decent DVD/Blu-Ray combo box.

i wouldn't worry about it -- you got a great player with the 981 - yeah the 983 may be better - but you will be happy with the 981 and can put the money difference towards a blu ray when oppo makes one -

i have the 981 and yes its a very good player - i also am getting the dv6001 in a few days hopefully and i am sure i will be happy with the results from that player also -

i just like the marantz quality - its a personal choice -

this is really the end of the road with SD dvd players - i cant see better SD DVD players coming out after the 983 etc. - i dont think it would be worth the price if they did - blu ray is here and no SD can match HD blu ray -

but i dont argue with others who have a large SD dvd collection - i have a large one myself - close to 1000 dvds - which i am now going thru them and getting rid of the ones i really dont watch anymore - need to make room for only the good ones -

you will be happy with it - :) oppo makes a good player

Another consideration in the "Is it worth it?" category is one that Bill McClain has mentioned before, to which I subscribe. DVD content. After all, the ultimate end use of any disc player is to watch what's on them. And there's a lot more content available at much cheaper prices on standard DVDs than high def discs. I just picked up a dozen great SD DVD titles at $7.95 each! And when watching them on the 983, they look marvelous!

Dana

+1 I have become an expert at getting great movies as cheap as $4.99. Picked up some excellent titles this week. Sure, you have to wait 'till they have been out a while, but if you love movies and have a great home theater, it is better than rentals once you amase 500 or more good titles.
Just my opinion, YMMV
John

I read some, but wanted a final say. Tell me please:yes or not?

Thanks,

Ricardo.

OK. Based upon the information you gave us regarding your display, general setup, various preferences (both video and kinds of food you like to eat) and other pertinent information, I'd have to say most emphatically that the answer is a definite MAYBE.

Well, I just responded to my email from OPPO (received last week, but hesitated to pull the trigger). In the past 6 months we have changed over to a Panny AE2000U (unbelievable picture quality) 106" screen at 9'. We use a Toshiba HD-A2 for SD & HD-DVD, and I picked up a refurb Sony BDP300 for $225 for BluRay. Runs through a Denono 3808 to the projector. We talked about whether or not we would really watch enough SD content to make it worthwhile and noticable (as the A2 upscales pretty well)...and I haven't really even tweaked everything yet (that's the trouble w/ new equipment and limited time...I'd rather watch movies than tweak!). Still have to build the bass traps and level the room response (eD A7-900 blowing the walls apart).

Given all of the expenditures on new equipment (+ our work repainting the living room into flat gray and charcoal...my wife is a keeper!) and Berklines, it just seemed silly to not spend an additional $400 for the best SD player around. This approach may not make sense to some of you, but ultimately that was the deciding factor.

To a large degree, it depends on what you watch. If you only ever watch major film releases, the 980 looks really good on smaller (<50") displays. However, if you watch other, trickier content, the 981 does considerably better (though there is a risk of intensified macroblocking), whereas the 983 does better still, with no risk of macroblocking.

With such disks, you can definitely see the improvements, without having to do any side-by-side comparisons.
I concur. The degree of improvement offered by the 983 is hugely dependent on the nature of the footage being viewed.

I made a list of movies that I want to see on Hi-Def. So I told the wife "Don't rent these on dvd, beecause I may buy them on BR, or when/if we get Netflix, we'll rent it in Hi-Def from there."
She came home with Juno in SD yesterday. Of course I chastized her for getting it when it was on the "list". She REALLY wanted to se it though. So, I put it in the 983, @720 on a 96" wide screen watching from about 11' feet back.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could not believe how good it looked! If I walked in and saw it playing, at first glance I would definately think it was HD. No need for Blu-ray on this one guys. The 983 makes it look faaanntastic. :)

Given all of the expenditures on new equipment (+ our work repainting the living room into flat gray and charcoal...my wife is a keeper!) and Berklines, it just seemed silly to not spend an additional $400 for the best SD player around. This approach may not make sense to some of you, but ultimately that was the deciding factor.

I like your style, kid! :cool: ;)

Hi all - my first post and apologies if this question has been asked before (I did read many of the posts in this thread but certainly not all 64 pages!!!).

I'm from little old New Zealand and haven't really heard a hell of a lot about Oppo, aside from what's in these forums and linked reviews. I think I probably already know what the answer will be but I'm gonna ask anyway...

I'm running a Denon 1920 into a Panasonic 42" plasma via HDMI. I'm now considering selling my Denon and getting an Oppo. I have seen the comparison chart on the Oppo website that states that the 980H is best for <45" screens, but I really, really, really like the look of the 983H. Better less said about the aesthetics of the 981HD but each to their own I guess.

Firstly, I assume that the 983H will stomp all over my Denon 1920? Secondly, on a 42" screen, will the 983H picture quality be noticeably "better" than the 980H (or 981HD for that matter)? I so want to pull the trigger on a 983H but thought I should ask some questions first. The feeling I get is that the advantages of the 983H are greatly enhanced with very large displays, i.e. >50"?

My final question is admittedly one that a "novice" would ask but, hey, I make no apologies for that! What is the optimal HDMI setting for viewing SD-DVDs on 1024 x 768 resolution screens? I have my Denon set to 720p.

Thanks in advance for any assistance - I'm fairly sure I'll be joining the Oppo legions in the very near future...:)

Mark

Sorry but the 983 dwarfs the 981. LOL, sorry I couldn't resist this one!

Please explain better, I'm Brazilian and did not understand.

Thanks,

Ricardo.

Please explain better, I'm Brazilian and did not understand.

Thanks,

Ricardo.

He was making a joke about the poster's screen name "Joe Dwarf." It does not mean anything about the Oppo players.

-Bill

I have a thought.

Are you one of those guys who "break in" audio cables because they start to sound better "after awhile"?

Because I suspect that what you describe is the same thing.

PS - What is Oppo's "optimum temperature"?

:) No, I'm fussy but not fanatical. A lot of equipment needs to warm up before it reaches it best potential. Surely you have noticed this (or read about it) with amplifiers, especially high end ones for music systems. They can sound really rough when cold but after a while, when they reach temperature, they smooth out. Anyone can notice this - even my girlfriend can! LOL. Maybe it's the same with the Oppo 983H?

The optimum temperature is the temperature where the equipment delivers its best performance BTW.

:) No, I'm fussy but not fanatical. A lot of equipment needs to warm up before it reaches it best potential. Surely you have noticed this (or read about it) with amplifiers, especially high end ones for music systems. They can sound really rough when cold but after a while, when they reach temperature, they smooth out. Anyone can notice this - even my girlfriend can! LOL. Maybe it's the same with the Oppo 983H?

The optimum temperature is the temperature where the equipment delivers its best performance BTW.

:rolleyes:

The 983 is not a tube amplifier.

He was making a joke about the poster's screen name "Joe Dwarf." It does not mean anything about the Oppo players.

-Bill

I sure hope I didn't offend anyone I was just kidding.

I better watch my political correctness:confused:

:) No, I'm fussy but not fanatical. A lot of equipment needs to warm up before it reaches it best potential. Surely you have noticed this (or read about it) with amplifiers, especially high end ones for music systems. They can sound really rough when cold but after a while, when they reach temperature, they smooth out. Anyone can notice this - even my girlfriend can! LOL. Maybe it's the same with the Oppo 983H?

The optimum temperature is the temperature where the equipment delivers its best performance BTW.With tubes yes, but not normally with solid-state devices. Although burn-in of solid-state devices might alter the performance aspects of the design, most likely related to frequency response, phase, and distortion.

Hi Everybody:

I want to buy this Oppo 983H. I live abroad but will be in the States in 3 months (Aug/Sept).
So some few questions:

1. Where can I buy it (as I read about a delay/waiting list)? No Best Buy/Circuit City distribution?
2. Is it Region free (or needed a tweak or hack)?
3. What are the minor "issues" that still need to be fixed?
4. PAL/NTSC compatibility: In general, PAL mentions always refer to European PAL-B version. Well, we have a weird PAL-N TV system (Southamerica, sorry for that). Will it work with our CRT or LCD TV Sets that carry NTSC/Pal-M/Pal-N multisystem? or will send B&W pic. in PAL-N TV set?
4. How this Oppo works with SONY LCD model KLV-46W300 ? W Series is the only one HD Full (1080p) offered here by Sony. Specifications are in spanish, but I can put the following in english as quick reference: 46" - BRAVIA ENGINE- 10Bit - Live Color Creation (WCG-CCFL) - S-Force Front Surround - HDMI: HDMI x3 (R:2) + RCA L/R(R:1) 1080P/60 24p - Answer Time: 8ms - High Contrast: 1,800:1 • Dinamic Contrast: 16,000:1 • Brightness: 500 cd/m2

Thanks to everybody who will take the time to answer me.

With tubes yes, but not normally with solid-state devices. Certainly not a digital device like the Oppo. I do recall Bryston recommending warming up my old 3B stereo amp, which is solid-state.

Hi Everybody:

I want to buy this Oppo 983H. I live abroad but will be in the States in 3 months (Aug/Sept).
So some few questions:

1. Where can I buy it (as I read about a delay/waiting list)? No Best Buy/Circuit City distribution?
2. Is it Region free (or needed a tweak or hack)?
3. What are the minor "issues" that still need to be fixed?
4. PAL/NTSC compatibility: In general, PAL mentions always refer to European PAL-B version. Well, we have a weird PAL-N TV system (Southamerica, sorry for that). Will it work with our CRT or LCD TV Sets that carry NTSC/Pal-M/Pal-N multisystem? or will send B&W pic. in PAL-N TV set?
4. How this Oppo works with SONY LCD model KLV-46W300 ? W Series is the only one HD Full (1080p) offered here by Sony. Specifications are in spanish, but I can put the following in english as quick reference: 46" - BRAVIA ENGINE- 10Bit - Live Color Creation (WCG-CCFL) - S-Force Front Surround - HDMI: HDMI x3 (R:2) + RCA L/R(R:1) 1080P/60 24p - Answer Time: 8ms - High Contrast: 1,800:1 • Dinamic Contrast: 16,000:1 • Brightness: 500 cd/m2

Thanks to everybody who will take the time to answer me.1) From Oppo (http://www.oppodigital.com/?partner=111)

2) The player can be made regional free easily.

3) There is a firmware update coming about 5/15 for video/audio drop out issue.

4) The Oppo 983H offers excellent PAL/NTSC compatibility.

5) This player will work fine with your KLV-46W300 offering superior deinterlacing/scaling of SD-DVD's to 1080P.

Certainly not a digital device like the Oppo. I do recall Bryston recommending warming up my old 3B stereo amp, which is solid-state.

Tell that to John Stronzcer of Bel Canto Design! Seemingly every time I speak to him about my DAC3 he reminds me to keep it powered on for the best sound.

Tell that to John Stronzcer of Bel Canto Design! Seemingly every time I speak to him about my DAC3 he reminds me to keep it powered on for the best sound. This MAY be true of purely analog semiconductor circuits, like amps and pre-amps, but not digital devices. So if you're using the player's digital outputs, there is no need for warmup.

Gary

1. Where can I buy it (as I read about a delay/waiting list)? No Best Buy/Circuit City distribution?
4. PAL/NTSC compatibility: In general, PAL mentions always refer to European PAL-B version. Well, we have a weird PAL-N TV system (Southamerica, sorry for that). Will it work with our CRT or LCD TV Sets that carry NTSC/Pal-M/Pal-N multisystem? or will send B&W pic. in PAL-N TV set? I'm not sure who would know anything about the PAL-B vs PAL-N system, so I don't know how the OPPO will work on your system.

OPPO products are not available through Best Buy/Circuit City distribution.

Gary

Firstly, I assume that the 983H will stomp all over my Denon 1920? Secondly, on a 42" screen, will the 983H picture quality be noticeably "better" than the 980H (or 981HD for that matter)? I so want to pull the trigger on a 983H but thought I should ask some questions first. The feeling I get is that the advantages of the 983H are greatly enhanced with very large displays, i.e. >50"?

...What is the optimal HDMI setting for viewing SD-DVDs on 1024 x 768 resolution screens? I have my Denon set to 720p. Welcome. Yes, the 983 is significantly better than the 1920. It is possible to see the 983 difference on a smaller display, but it is less obvious than on a bigger display (or one with higher resolution). 720p is the correct setting for a 1024 x 768 panel.

Gary

This MAY be true of purely analog semiconductor circuits, like amps and pre-amps, but not digital devices. So if you're using the player's digital outputs, there is no need for warmup.

GaryPerhaps if there are internal temperatures effecting the analog devices, or the analog device itself gets hot it would effect the device performance. But usually the device after so many hours burn-in doesn't change characteristics. A/D converters sometimes require heatsinks. Certainly in a amp chain the power amps will see their characteristics change slightly as they warm up. But as you said most digital devices are uninfected by internal temperature changes.

Hi all - my first post and apologies if this question has been asked before (I did read many of the posts in this thread but certainly not all 64 pages!!!).

I'm from little old New Zealand and haven't really heard a hell of a lot about Oppo, aside from what's in these forums and linked reviews. I think I probably already know what the answer will be but I'm gonna ask anyway...

I'm running a Denon 1920 into a Panasonic 42" plasma via HDMI. I'm now considering selling my Denon and getting an Oppo. I have seen the comparison chart on the Oppo website that states that the 980H is best for <45" screens, but I really, really, really like the look of the 983H. Better less said about the aesthetics of the 981HD but each to their own I guess.

Firstly, I assume that the 983H will stomp all over my Denon 1920? Secondly, on a 42" screen, will the 983H picture quality be noticeably "better" than the 980H (or 981HD for that matter)? I so want to pull the trigger on a 983H but thought I should ask some questions first. The feeling I get is that the advantages of the 983H are greatly enhanced with very large displays, i.e. >50"?

My final question is admittedly one that a "novice" would ask but, hey, I make no apologies for that! What is the optimal HDMI setting for viewing SD-DVDs on 1024 x 768 resolution screens? I have my Denon set to 720p.

Thanks in advance for any assistance - I'm fairly sure I'll be joining the Oppo legions in the very near future...:)

Mark

On a 42" display and at normal seating distance the DV-983H probably would not look much better than the DV-981HD, probably sharper if you checked 2M away, but Im sure thats not your seating distance.

If you want the best Oppo player of the range well the DV-983H is the one, but for a Pal country like NZ and saving money, the DV-981HD would more than suit your needs.

For your display, the optimium setting for the player is 720p.

I'm running a Denon 1920 into a Panasonic 42" plasma via HDMI. I'm now considering selling my Denon and getting an Oppo. I have seen the comparison chart on the Oppo website that states that the 980H is best for <45" screens, but I really, really, really like the look of the 983H. Better less said about the aesthetics of the 981HD but each to their own I guess.

Firstly, I assume that the 983H will stomp all over my Denon 1920? Secondly, on a 42" screen, will the 983H picture quality be noticeably "better" than the 980H (or 981HD for that matter)? I so want to pull the trigger on a 983H but thought I should ask some questions first. The feeling I get is that the advantages of the 983H are greatly enhanced with very large displays, i.e. >50"?

My final question is admittedly one that a "novice" would ask but, hey, I make no apologies for that! What is the optimal HDMI setting for viewing SD-DVDs on 1024 x 768 resolution screens? I have my Denon set to 720p.

Spoonsey,

Having upgraded from a Denon 1600 to a 983, I am probably feeding the smallest HDTV of the lot. My Sharp LCD is only 32 inches, so it measures below oppo's own recommendation. That said, the video processing and deinterlacing benefits are not lost on me. My DVD library is split between anime, movies, and some television shows. The 983 supports more disc formats out of the box, it has a lower profile, and adds universal audio playback for both SACD and DVD-A. When placing my pre-order, I wanted to consider the whole package. I wasn't going to buy this deck and then let half of its features sit untouched in my home theater. That is how I approached it. The size of the screen (Plasma, LCD, DLP, or what have you) didn't really factor into my final decision. I have yet to be let down.

At 1024x768, you want to use 720p.

~ David

Thanks for the replies everyone and duly noted. I can't say I'm particularly impressed with the looks of the 981HD (compared to the 983H and 980H) but I'll certainly give it some consideration.

I can get the 983H here in New Zealand for NZ$650 and the 981HD for NZ$399. I suppose it's not really worth shelling out the extra $250 if the 983H won't deliver better PQ at my normal viewing distance (4 metres or so), particularly as all I will be playing are DVDs and CDs.

Mark

Thanks for the replies everyone and duly noted. I can't say I'm particularly impressed with the looks of the 981HD (compared to the 983H and 980H) but I'll certainly give it some consideration.

I can get the 983H here in New Zealand for NZ$650 and the 981HD for NZ$399. I suppose it's not really worth shelling out the extra $250 if the 983H won't deliver better PQ at my normal viewing distance (4 metres or so), particularly as all I will be playing are DVDs and CDs.

Mark

The standard formula often used for seating distance from a display is 1.5 to twice the width of the display. At 4M you are sitting a long way to notice any major improvements by using the DV-983H.

The design of the DV-981HD is not unatractive at all and many prefer its slim lines.

Many of us use a projector to get closer to the 1.5 to 2x seating distance and thats where the DV-983H will really show its true colours!

My 981 HD has a better picture than my 971 and 980 did.

My 981 HD has a better picture than my 971 and 980 did.The audio performance of the 980H and 983H is better then a 981HD. The Oppo 983H video processing (Anchor Bay) is more advanced then the Oppo 981HD (DCDi by Faroudja) or the Oppo 980H (Mediatek System-on-Chip). You get what you pay for. ;)

The standard formula often used for seating distance from a display is 1.5 to twice the width of the display. At 4M you are sitting a long way to notice any major improvements by using the DV-983H.

The design of the DV-981HD is not unatractive at all and many prefer its slim lines.

Many of us use a projector to get closer to the 1.5 to 2x seating distance and thats where the DV-983H will really show its true colours!
Thanks Murray and appreciate the further advice today. Will hopefully be in touch soon to purchase 981HD...though the Mrs says I have to get rid of the 1920 for a decent price before going for the Oppo!!!

Also forgot to tell you that my wife works at Sky and we are currently doing some testing on the new MySkyHDi - it's black with blue LEDs so the Oppo will match very nicely. Haven't had any HD content to test yet but certainly looking forward to it...

Cheers

Mark

Thanks Murray and appreciate the further advice today. Will hopefully be in touch soon to purchase 981HD...though the Mrs says I have to get rid of the 1920 for a decent price before going for the Oppo!!!

Also forgot to tell you that my wife works at Sky and we are currently doing some testing on the new MySkyHDi - it's black with blue LEDs so the Oppo will match very nicely. Haven't had any HD content to test yet but certainly looking forward to it...

Cheers

Mark

Great,,,,, maybe she might get me one of them too for testing:rolleyes:
I cant wait to see some good HD on NZ TV, Sky as it is now looks is shocking!

I just hope when they go HD they do it properly, but Sky always worries me when it comes to qaulity. If only they could deliver good images like an Oppo does I would be happy, but alas I dont think Sky really cares!

Even with the luxury of Bluray and HD DVD I still buy standard DVD's and using the DV-983H is the only way to get a good clean image!

Good luck with selling the Denon.

Okay got my 983 three weeks ago, but just had a chance to play around with it last night. Here's some impressions and questions for the rest of you.

First off, I am in between upgrades. I am doing a complete upgrade to Pioneer Elite this summer, including Kuro Elite 151, Elite SC-09 receiver, and Elite Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD. Also upgrading my speakers to a Klipsch RF-83 7.1 system with the RT-12D sub. Already have the display and bd player ordered. Speakers coming next month. Waiting on some more reviews before I get the receiver.

I got the oppo 983 for sd content and sacd/dvd audio. Right now I am using an old Kenwood VR-6070 (just for 6 channel passthrough mode only), Toshiba TW40X81 rear projection tv, Toshiba HD-XA2, and a Klipsch RF-35 5.1 system.

The TV is old but it does do 1080p so I was able to appreciate HD-DVD. Unforunately I am using component connections so I could not upscale sd material.

The XA2 was a real upgrade for me in sd dvd quality. It was night and day from my previous players. Using the player's audio decoders with my receiver in passthrough mode really brought my cd collection alive as well. I could not believe how good the XA2 sounded.

After hooking up the Oppo 983 last night, my initial reactions are mixed. I have not had time to recalibrate my tv yet, so I will update my reactions down the road. First off, the screen compared to the XA2 seems very dark. I think this will go a way once I recalibrate. Did anyone else notice a lack of brightness after switching to the Oppo? As for image quality...it is a revelation! I thought the XA2 did an excellent job with sd content, but the 983 even dark as it was, brought out more detail than I was expecting. Remember I am using component so this isn't even upscaled. I used Toy Story 1&2 for testing purposes last night, and it was amazing. I am really impressed with the image quality.

Sound however is mixed. I am using 5.1 analog connection. Toy Story 1 & 2 in DTS 5.1 sounded fantastic, even better than the XA2 in my opinion. Music however did not. Played several Joe Walsh cds, Beck Sea Changes SACD in both multi and stereo, and the sound was very bright compared to the XA2 (XA2 doesn't play sacd, my previous phillips player did).

However since I am upgrading my receiver and display I believe the 983 will primarily be a transport (at least for the audio, I think the 983 video processing will probably be better still) in my system which is what I bought it for anyway. I really like the build and quality of the unit. The remote seems cheap, but don't plan on using it anyway.

Hope this helps some people, and if anyone has some tips or observations on the oppo being dark out of the box, please give me your opinion. I am wondering if it is because I am using the component connections. Thanks in advance!

...if anyone has some tips or observations on the oppo being dark out of the box, please give me your opinion. I am wondering if it is because I am using the component connections. Thanks in advance! The component output certainly does not have the same level of performance as the HDMI output. However, the darkness is a function of the TV's calibration. The 983 has a "Gamma" setting that works with the component output, so try that too - it will definitely make a difference.

Gary

I have gone through 8 dvd players in the last six years. I had my tv calibrated 5 years ago. I have never had to adjust the brightness of the tv when changing out players, even the XA2. The oppo was so dark though it caught me by surprise. I imagine the crt guns are just getting too old. I doubt it is the player as well. Won't matter in a couple of months anyway. 60 plasma, hdmi all the way. Can't wait!

Has anyone heard any estimates of when we might expect the DV-983H to be back in stock? I've been on their "Notify me when In Stock" list for awhile now and was wondering how much longer I could expect it to be.

mid-May is the latest shipping estimate.

I have decided, I will buy!

Hugs,

Ricardo.

I have decided, I will buy!

Hugs,

Ricardo.

Phew,

For a second there I thought you were not!

I am so relieved:p

Customer service sent me an email saying they expect the stock to be in next week.

Customer service sent me an email saying they expect the stock to be in next week.

Did you inquire about availability or did they just send you an email? I signed up about a month ago so hopefully I am in this next batch. I did not get any email though.

Looking forward to trying this player. I have a huge SD-DVD library and its actually still growing at a rate of 5 to 1 over my Blu Ray library (just can't pass up those bargain bins). I also made it a personal policy that none of my DVD's will be replaced by Blu Ray versions except major catalog titles like Star Wars and Star Trek etc. Most new releases are Blu Ray now though. Looking forward to having a player that can bring out the best in my SD DVD's. I also have an XA2 and its really good but from what I hear the 983 is a tad better and more film like. It will be going on my main system. Samsung 67" DLP RPTV.

Did you inquire about availability or did they just send you an email? I signed up about a month ago so hopefully I am in this next batch. I did not get any email though.

Looking forward to trying this player. I have a huge SD-DVD library and its actually still growing at a rate of 5 to 1 over my Blu Ray library (just can't pass up those bargain bins). I also made it a personal policy that none of my DVD's will be replaced by Blu Ray versions except major catalog titles like Star Wars and Star Trek etc. Most new releases are Blu Ray now though. Looking forward to having a player that can bring out the best in my SD DVD's. I also have an XA2 and its really good but from what I hear the 983 is a tad better and more film like. It will be going on my main system. Samsung 67" DLP RPTV.Its very tough to pass by those bargain bins offered by the various B&M stores each week. As it has been discussed before a lot of the SD-DVD content won't be converted to HD, simply because there's no money in it for the studio's. Like you I would only replace certain major titles with Blu-ray version, and keep collecting SD-DVD's based on availability and price. The Oppo 983H has allowed me to see increased detail and better color out of many movies and cult television show series I own.

Per Oppo about 5/15 last time I talked to them.

mjaudio,

"Phew,

For a second there I thought you were not!

I am so relieved"

Why, my dear?

Ricardo.

The audio performance of the 980H and 983H is better then a 981HD. The Oppo 983H video processing (Anchor Bay) is more advanced then the Oppo 981HD (DCDi by Faroudja) or the Oppo 980H (Mediatek System-on-Chip). You get what you pay for. ;)

But for many of us this is irrelevant as long as you are using HDMI or one of the digital audio outs.

For me the real question is PS3 versus Oppo 983. Elite SD DVD versus Media Center.

Jack of all trades, master of none.

Stereophile's review stated that the 980 and 981 were virtually identical as far as audio is concerned. Just thought to add that to the opinions mentioned here. Don't remember if the 980 allows you to change power cords, but my 981 is a little cleaner than with the stock cord my PS Audio or Harmonic Tech power cords.

Stereophile's review stated that the 980 and 981 were virtually identical as far as audio is concerned.Can you give me a reference for that?

Don't remember if the 980 allows you to change power cords,............Sure, it does.

But for many of us this is irrelevant as long as you are using HDMI or one of the digital audio outs.

For me the real question is PS3 versus Oppo 983. Elite SD DVD versus Media Center.

Jack of all trades, master of none.Media center, nahhh, just a another game console. It only a matter of time before Blu-Ray players become so common on pc's and mac's that a PS3 becomes irrelevant as far as a Blu-Ray player. I prefer using the Oppo 983H for its purpose.

Besides I don't want a game console in my rack, spoils the overall appearance of the equipment. :D

I initiated an email to Oppo and the reply was next week availability of stock. I am also on the waiting list.

Let us see if we can figure out this little puzzle.
On this DVD I get on the screen; “Foreign video” and will not play.The DVD title is – the Infinite world of H.G.Well [in English]
There is a website in English, but it is a>> .NL<< at the end.
It looks to be from the Nederlands
TV; NEC XR5< is PAL/NTSC and I reset it two different ways both to PAL and then to Auto.
983H> region 0. reset to PAL
DVD on back states: Regio code: 2(pal)
Any idea what’s up?
* Just play a DVD from Japan; the PQ was stunning- actually the best PQ I have seen in a DVD. I will keep it as a reference source {the story line is about a Geisha- so it also has some nice eye candy} Peach John

Let us see if we can figure out this little puzzle.
On this DVD I get on the screen; “Foreign video” and will not play.The DVD title is – the Infinite world of H.G.Well [in English]
There is a website in English, but it is a>> .NL<< at the end.
It looks to be from the Nederlands
TV; NEC XR5< is PAL/NTSC and I reset it two different ways both to PAL and then to Auto.
983H> region 0. reset to PAL
DVD on back states: Regio code: 2(pal)
Any idea what’s up?
* Just play a DVD from Japan; the PQ was stunning- actually the best PQ I have seen in a DVD. I will keep it as a reference source {the story line is about a Geisha- so it also has some nice eye candy} Peach John

OK, this is a PAL, Reg.2 Import - Netherlands format so you modified your Oppo to be regional free already (983H> region 0.)?

Not sure why it wouldn't work if you have made it multiregion, but the disc sounds like this one...

amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Infinite-World-H-G-Wells-NON-USA-FORMAT/dp/B000E33BYA)

(saying that, the Japanese dvd should've been R2 too, unless that one's a region free disc)

Than is the one: and i have played a # Japanese DVD- even some home made one too-worked fine. But i thought Japan was NTSC?

Not sure why it wouldn't work if you have made it multiregion, but the disc sounds like this one...

amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Infinite-World-H-G-Wells-NON-USA-FORMAT/dp/B000E33BYA)

(saying that, the Japanese dvd should've been R2 too, unless that one's a region free disc)

SORRY SORRY- MY DUMB......!!!!!!
I set region 0, when i first received the player. just relooked at it. for some reson it was at 1. need to do a little more investigation before speaking......... thanks

Hello everyone

Let me start off by telling you about my setup. I have a 61" HLT6187SAX LED RPTV that I set about 13' away from.

Here's my dilemma. With my screen size and seating distance, would I be able to tell a big difference in picture quality between the 980 and the 983?

I'm really split here. Part of me wants to get the 983 because it will provide the best possible SD-DVD PQ, but the other part of me says if the difference is negligible then save $200 and get 980. Also I do not watch a lot of PAL DVDs, but I do like to watch anime every now and then. So how well the player handles PAL isn't a big concern. Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks


Derrick

Hello everyone

Let me start off by telling you about my setup. I have a 61" HLT6187SAX LED RPTV that I set about 13' away from.

Here's my dilemma. With my screen size and seating distance, would I be able to tell a big difference in picture quality between the 980 and the 983?

I'm really split here. Part of me wants to get the 983 because it will provide the best possible SD-DVD PQ, but the other part of me says if the difference is negligible then save $200 and get 980. Also I do not watch a lot of PAL DVDs, but I do like to watch anime every now and then. So how well the player handles PAL isn't a big concern. Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks


Derrick

My advice would be to buy the 980 or 981. Get it hooked up and everything calibrated. Use it for a week and decide if it looks good to you. If you then think you may want to upgrade to the 983, you can send it back and get the 983. Personally I don't think you are going to see a huge difference in the upgrade to the 983. There will be a better picture a lot of the time, but the difference will be negligable most of the time. Having owned the 983 since inception, and knowing what it can do, I believe that player to be a pretty good fit... but if you want the best, then get the 983.

I'd say, if you care, get the best. I tend to obsess once I experience any flaws in PQ or AQ. The $200 will mean nothing in the grand scheme of things, and there's great enjoyment and comfort to be had in knowing you have the best.

I have the exact same TV and the 980H. If I didn't have the 980H already, I'd buy the 983. I think the 980H has pretty good pq, but I'd like better picture even if it's only a small improvement. I'm 12' away and I can see issues here and there. I can see quite a difference between HD and the 980H upscaling. So any improvement would be welcome.

Hello everyone

Let me start off by telling you about my setup. I have a 61" HLT6187SAX LED RPTV that I set about 13' away from.

Here's my dilemma. With my screen size and seating distance, would I be able to tell a big difference in picture quality between the 980 and the 983?

I'm really split here. Part of me wants to get the 983 because it will provide the best possible SD-DVD PQ, but the other part of me says if the difference is negligible then save $200 and get 980. Also I do not watch a lot of PAL DVDs, but I do like to watch anime every now and then. So how well the player handles PAL isn't a big concern. Any advice will be appreciated.
Thanks


DerrickI have an HLT-6189s in one room and sitting back 12 feet away I could clearly see the difference between my 980H and my 983H. The 980H when you freeze frame, you will notice jaggies, and while you are watching the movie occasionally you will see some deinterlacing errors. Not so with the 983H, it looks much more film like without loosing sharpness, plus while the 980H showed some video artifacts (noise), the 983H showed none. Its not the old 720P versus 1080P distance argument here, the 980H doesn't scale or deinterlace as good as the 983H does. Plus using the zoom features on the 983H are superior, no increased noise as you zoom.

Firmware Released:

Version: DV983H-06-0430 (http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/dv983h-firmware-06-0430.html)
Category: Minor Update
Release Date: May 9, 2008
Release Notes:

1. Improvement for Audio/Video Drop-out Issue with Certain Combination of HDMI A/V Receivers and Displays

This version contains adjustment to HDMI video clock timing to enhance compatibility with certain combination of HDMI A/V receivers and displays. By adjusting the relative timing between the video clock and video data, the new firmware leaves more safety margin for clock and data time variation along the HDMI signal chain. As a result, the audio/video drop-out issue that some users reported has been fixed.

Firmware Released:

Version: DV983H-06-0430 (http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/dv983h-firmware-06-0430.html)
Category: Minor Update
Release Date: May 9, 2008
Release Notes:

1. Improvement for Audio/Video Drop-out Issue with Certain Combination of HDMI A/V Receivers and Displays

This version contains adjustment to HDMI video clock timing to enhance compatibility with certain combination of HDMI A/V receivers and displays. By adjusting the relative timing between the video clock and video data, the new firmware leaves more safety margin for clock and data time variation along the HDMI signal chain. As a result, the audio/video drop-out issue that some users reported has been fixed.

Just to be clear, if 983 users are NOT experiencing dropouts, is there any reason for them to update to the new firmware?

no.

Just to be clear, if 983 users are NOT experiencing dropouts, is there any reason for them to update to the new firmware?

no.

Thanks for the update. Even though I have not experienced any dropouts I will still install this update just to make sure that I never do.

Firmware Released:

Version: DV983H-06-0430 (http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/dv983h-firmware-06-0430.html)
Category: Minor Update
Release Date: May 9, 2008
Nice to see this Audio/Video Drop-out Issue update early!

I just wanted thank everyone for your advice. It was just what I needed to push me over to the 983 side of the fence. I have added my name to the auto-notify list for the 983 on the oppo site and Hopefully can get one when they release the next shipment. :D

Thanks


Derrick

How much better does it look versus the PS3 for upconverted SD DVD? Is the jump that good?

Hi All,

I know this info is scattered about this forum, but I am wondering if one of you can give me a simple answer. I currently use Optical for my audio output on the player. Knowing that, what is going to be the best overall configuration for listening to MC audio and audio CD's. Am I fine listening to audio CD and DVD movies via optical and I should I use the analog connections for MC audio? No need to for a long explanation, but if you want to elaborate, please do.

Thanks.

If you will be using any SACD or DVD-Audio media, you will need to use multi-channel analog outputs.

If your multi-channel sources are DVD-Video, then you only need to use optical or coaxial for audio.

I've never seen "foreign video" before.


"wrong region" sure...

I am expecting delivery with the next shipment. Will the next batch have the newest update already installed?

Yes.

For those that have both Toshiba XA2 and the Oppo 983H, which one plays SD DVD's better?

For those that have both Toshiba XA2 and the Oppo 983H, which one plays SD DVD's better? This has been asked before. The general consensus is that their performance is very similar, but that the Reon chip in the XA2 makes the image look a little more "plastic" than the 983. Also, the 983 is much faster, more responsive, and more versatile for handling different media types.

Gary

I have both the XA2 and the Oppo, I listed my initial impressions a few post back. After doing some critical listening and viewing last night and this morning, the XA2 is up on Ebay.
I unplugged my 983 last night and moved it up in my rack. I don't know if I had a loose cable or what, but my darkness issue is gone. But what is driving me crazy, is the sound. My first testing of cd and sacd left me wanting. I really wasn't that impressed with the audio side of the 983. But after unplugging and moving the unit, the sound is wonderful. I can't believe how much better the 983 sounds than the XA2. The imaging and soundstage of the 983 is staggering. Voices definitely have more range. Movies or music, it is a great machine. My wife and I sat listening to music all night long last night and we both were amazed. I am seriously considering getting this thing modded for the extra clock and better power supply. This is the best investment I made in my home theater in the past 10 years.

This has been asked before. The general consensus is that their performance is very similar, but that the Reon chip in the XA2 makes the image look a little more "plastic" than the 983. Also, the 983 is much faster, more responsive, and more versatile for handling different media types.

Gary

I have both the XA2 and the Oppo, I listed my initial impressions a few post back. After doing some critical listening and viewing last night and this morning, the XA2 is up on Ebay.
I can't believe how much better the 983 sounds than the XA2. The imaging and soundstage of the 983 is staggering. Voices definitely have more range. Movies or music, it is a great machine. My wife and I sat listening to music all night long last night and we both were amazed. I am seriously considering getting this thing modded for the extra clock and better power supply. This is the best investment I made in my home theater in the past 10 years.

Thanks, when you say "plastic" do you mean it makes the picture look a bit smooth? Less video noise?

Skin tones look like Ken and Barbie... plasticy or artificial.

Skin tones look like Ken and Barbie... plasticy or artificial.

Got it, Thanks! :)

From reviewing the treads, thinking the Oppo 983H would be an improvement playing standard DVD's instead of using my current equipment which consists of a PS3, Denon 1930CI, and A2 HD DVD player. My last question before pulling the trigger is for audio playback of SACD & DVD audio disks I am not clear if I should be using 6 analog outputs or HDMI. Since my Denon receiver only has 2 HDMI inputs would also have to purchase the Oppo switchbox as well. Currently using the analog outputs for SACD as my Denon 1930CI dvd player (prefer sound of Denon over PS3 for SACD) will not support multi-channel output over HDMI. Just curious if any owners have tried analog versus HDMI for audio and could offer some comments.

I am using analog right now. Expect to get a new receiver within the next few weeks to test out HDMI. I am really curious about the benefits of using HDMI over analog for SACD playback as well. I have read a lot of opinions and the verdict is mixed. Some feel the HDMI solution is too buggy and lacks overall clarity compared to analog. I really think the final judgment is based on the quality of your receiver and player. I can say the quality of SACD on the 983 using analog is very good. I haven't tested the 1930ci, so I don't know if it will be an improvement in your case. The 983 beats the pants off my old Phillips SACD player though.

How much better does it look versus the PS3 for upconverted SD DVD? Is the jump that good?

I don't have a PS3 but I do have a Panasonic BD10A and a Toshiba A35 and the 983H blows them both away for PQ. The difference is night and day. The 983H gives a beautifully presented, smooth, film-like image that has revitalised my entire collection of 500 or more SD discs. IMO it's easily worth the money - for example, I had stopped buying SD discs where possible in favour of BD or HD-DVD but now I am scouring all the bargain bins on the web and picking up some terrific stuff for peanuts. Not to mention of course, thousands of SD DVDs that will never be re-released in HD. Go for it - you wont regret it.

Keith

I don't have a PS3 but I do have a Panasonic BD10A and a Toshiba A35 and the 983H blows them both away for PQ. The difference is night and day. The 983H gives a beautifully presented, smooth, film-like image that has revitalised my entire collection of 500 or more SD discs. IMO it's easily worth the money - for example, I had stopped buying SD discs where possible in favour of BD or HD-DVD but now I am scouring all the bargain bins on the web and picking up some terrific stuff for peanuts. Not to mention of course, thousands of SD DVDs that will never be re-released in HD. Go for it - you wont regret it.

Keith

What size screen do you have? I have a 50" plasma and already own an A35. I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a 983 when they are back in stock.

This unit along with my 60" Pioneer kuro is so good I really have no interest in BR at this time.

Really, who needs the aggravation of trying to find BR movies to no avail?

It's even worse because I never buy them I only rent.

As far as the PS3 unit I'm not into games so I wouldn't purchase one. Of course many people feel different.

It is your prerogative to have no interest, but this is an odd attitude from somebody trying to get "the best" from standard DVDs.

I went through a trouble of directly comparing a few DVDs (like the Fifth Element and Pixar's Cars) with their Blu-ray cousins.
The differences were quite dramatic. There BD releases are not perfect (with few exceptions) that's why I look at reviews at Blu-ray.com first.

I bought Sony PS3, which is one of the very best BD players on the market (see the latest review in Home Theater magazine).
I haven't bought any games yet.

I have rented a number of BDs from Netflix. All came in perferct shape (not a single scratch) and played perfectly on the PS3.
I have not experienced any additional waiting time for Blu-ray releases. So far, the rental cost has been the same, although Netflix
will increase the prices (and they should from business point of view; it is not a charity).

You seem to be in some form of denial...
Of course, it is your prerogative, but you are denying yourself viewing some high-quality video
(the bit rate peaks over 40 mbs in some scenes; what is yours?).
If you had a cheap and small display device, I could understand it.
With a 60-inch display (and "Kuro" to boot), I cannot.

Mike

My advice would be to buy the 980 or 981. Get it hooked up and everything calibrated. Use it for a week and decide if it looks good to you. If you then think you may want to upgrade to the 983, you can send it back and get the 983. Personally I don't think you are going to see a huge difference in the upgrade to the 983. There will be a better picture a lot of the time, but the difference will be negligable most of the time. Having owned the 983 since inception, and knowing what it can do, I believe that player to be a pretty good fit... but if you want the best, then get the 983.

I could not agree more!

I've been around for a while...
I frequently meet people who would argue forever ("my opinion is better than yours")
without EVER putting their opinions to TEST.
If scientists and engineers were like this (they are not), planes would be falling off the sky...

Mike

I could not agree more!
Are you agreeing to "My advice would be to buy the 980 or 981. Get it hooked up and everything calibrated. Use it for a week and decide if it looks good to you. If you then think you may want to upgrade to the 983, you can send it back and get the 983."

Its really a choice between the 980H and the 983H rather then the 980 or 981, since he is using a 61" HLT6187SAX LED RPTV display . . . you can't recommend a Oppo 981HD because of macroblocking issues.

John,

I am puzzled...

I was recommending a "hands-on" TEST.
That's much better than somebody else's opinion.
Oppo has a 30-day return policy, don't they?

Mike

I was going by the captive text that you agreed to. I understand your point now!:)

Yes, Oppo has a nice 30 day, money back policy for all of their products. Their sales and technical support is excellent!

I currently have a DVD Audio disc in the 983 from when I was listening to some tunes earlier. However, now that I want to watch a movie, I can't get the disc tray to open. I've tried several combinations of turning the power on/off, using the eject button on my universal remote and the original remote, and unplugging the unit, but it still won't eject. Any ideas on how to fix? I've looked at the manual, but didn't see anything in there pertaining to this problem. Thanks in advance for your help.

It is your prerogative to have no interest, but this is an odd attitude from somebody trying to get "the best" from standard DVDs.

I went through a trouble of directly comparing a few DVDs (like the Fifth Element and Pixar's Cars) with their Blu-ray cousins.
The differences were quite dramatic. There BD releases are not perfect (with few exceptions) that's why I look at reviews at Blu-ray.com first.

I bought Sony PS3, which is one of the very best BD players on the market (see the latest review in Home Theater magazine).
I haven't bought any games yet.

I have rented a number of BDs from Netflix. All came in perferct shape (not a single scratch) and played perfectly on the PS3.
I have not experienced any additional waiting time for Blu-ray releases. So far, the rental cost has been the same, although Netflix
will increase the prices (and they should from business point of view; it is not a charity).

You seem to be in some form of denial...
Of course, it is your prerogative, but you are denying yourself viewing some high-quality video
(the bit rate peaks over 40 mbs in some scenes; what is yours?).
If you had a cheap and small display device, I could understand it.
With a 60-inch display (and "Kuro" to boot), I cannot.

Mike

Well, at this point I'm waiting to see what bluray player Oppo introduces.

Living in Vegas I already have my tickets to the CES and will check out the latest BR players but for now believe it or not I'm happy with my modified 983.

I'm sure if I had the unmodified unit I wouldn't be ao satisfied. Which reminds me what Oppo 983 did you use for comparison, modified or not?

No, it was not modified in any way.

A good Blu-ray release will blow away any "SD DVD" in video quality (as it should).
The early BDs used MPEG-2 and people didn't know what they were doing in the "authoring" process (many still don't...).
The recent releases use MGEG-4 and VC-1 encoding and some "engineers" finally learned their craft.

"Open Season" looks stunning (those 3 million, or so, hairs on the buck really paid off), "Cars" looks fantastic, "Ratatouille" is a state of the art.
"The Black Book", "The Enchanted" (I rented only because of Blu-ray format), "FF: Rise of the Silver Rider" look great.
An older movie, "The Fifth Element", has some problems, but it still looks MUCH better than the Superbit edition I also have.

It is a real eye opener to be able to compare two versions at the same time.
There is just no substitution for those "extra pixels."
The peak data rate is at least twice as high as the best possible over-the-air "HD" broadcast
and three to four times better than a typical "HD" content from a satelite or cable TV.

My guess is that Oppo will release an excellent Blu-ray player (who knows when) that will not be
an universal player like the 983.
This would make it very price competitive with other Blu-ray players.
The new Panasonic machine will probably set the bar.
.

[QUOTE=MikeSer;13841074]No, it was not modified in any way.

Checkout the totally modified version available from www.asi-tek.com.
Check the one including new clock for $1350.00.

After watching this player there is still a somewhat better picture with bluray but not as much as you claim.

This modified unit is capable of competing with players 2 to 3 times the cost and it will keep me happy until the CES show.

I just don't feel like jumping on this BR bandwagon right now, hell the HDMI cables are crap because they fall out and have handshake problems.

Like I previously said "who needs this aggravation?":cool:

I bought that player month ago. I had before that oppo 980. I'm very pleasured with video quality, but 983 have some strange issue with screen layout. Most of Divx and Xvid videos are 2,35:1 layout. From TV settings are chosen Wide (16:9) always. (Sony KDL46-X3500). If I will look 2,35:1 divx or xvid movies and choose from Oppo settings 16:9 or 16:9 /auto then it shows picture full screen without borders and picture is horizontally stretched out. Only way to look normal picture from TV is when I choose from Oppo settings 4:3 letterbox. Then from TV I see 2,35:1 which is fitted with borders down and up in 16:9 screen. But subtitles are almost in center of screen :( And that problem is only with divx and xvid format, with DVD is all ok. Output is HDMI.

are the latest 983 being shipped now - have the issue corrected about the audio dropping off ?

are the latest 983 being shipped now - have the issue corrected about the audio dropping off ?

Yes

Yes

thanks for that info - but i notice on the oppo site - that they are not being shipped just yet -

would anyone know when they will start shipping again ?

DIVX issue with DV-983H,

Hey guys, I was one of the people who benefited from the HDMI drop out patch. Before that patch I was playing DIVX movies at 720P or 1080i and they played without a hitch. I have all the previous seasons of Smalliville copied to DVD. Some I had before I owned a DIVX capable DVD player. I decided to redo the earlier seasons and convert them to DIVX to get more episodes on a DVD. I have tried playing these new burns on my DV-980H and it plays every episode without a problem. However when I play them on the DV-983 they play fine until a few minutes before the end of the episode then the decoding message comes up and it jumps to the next episode. I have tried turning off the autoplay feature but that does not help. I use winavi 8.0 to convert from vob to avi and then use Nero Express 7.11.6.0 to burn to disc at 4x using verbatem discs exclusively. I am playing the discs at 1080P.

Has anyone else had problems like this with DIVX files? I have emailed OPPO about the issue but I figured I would see if anyone else has had the same problem.

fish1050

I bought that player month ago. I had before that oppo 980. I'm very pleasured with video quality, but 983 have some strange issue with screen layout. Most of Divx and Xvid videos are 2,35:1 layout. From TV settings are chosen Wide (16:9) always. (Sony KDL46-X3500). If I will look 2,35:1 divx or xvid movies and choose from Oppo settings 16:9 or 16:9 /auto then it shows picture full screen without borders and picture is horizontally stretched out. Only way to look normal picture from TV is when I choose from Oppo settings 4:3 letterbox. Then from TV I see 2,35:1 which is fitted with borders down and up in 16:9 screen. But subtitles are almost in center of screen :( And that problem is only with divx and xvid format, with DVD is all ok. Output is HDMI.

I could not get a single Xvid or Divx file to play in the correct aspect ratio on my 983. My player arrived with a scratch on the faceplate, and the divx/Xvid issue was one of the reasons I returned it for refund, rather than exchange.

I was also rather shocked at the cheap build quality for a $400 player.

I could not get a single Xvid or Divx file to play in the correct aspect ratio on my 983. My player arrived with a scratch on the faceplate, and the divx/Xvid issue was one of the reasons I returned it for refund, rather than exchange.

I was also rather shocked at the cheap build quality for a $400 player.More likely it was that third party (Projector People) that scratched your 983, as Oppo packs their players very well. We could debate the build quality if you wish. The 983H physical appearance IMHO is not cheap. Did you ever try changing your TV Type from 16:9/Auto or 16:9/Wide to one of the 4:3 definitions to solve the aspect ration when playing the xvid/divx files?

More likely it was that third party (Projector People) that scratched your 983, as Oppo packs their players very well. We could debate the build quality if you wish. The 983H physical appearance IMHO is not cheap. Did you ever try changing your TV Type from 16:9/Auto or 16:9/Wide to one of the 4:3 definitions to solve the aspect ration when playing the xvid/divx files?

Player was factory sealed, I'm sure it was scratched in manufacturing, it happens. It was packed very well, not a mark on the box, so I'm sure it was not shipping damage. That's not what I was refering to on build quality. The player had a cheap lightwight feel to it, similar to $39 players from Walmart, with a peice of aluminum stuck to the front.

As far as the Divx/Xvid files, no matter what setting I chose, it stretched the video to fill the screen, like it could not identify the aspect ratio of Divx files, same as the poster I responded to. All files work perfectly on my new Yamaha DVD-S1700, and the cheap $39 player in the bedroom.

What size screen do you have? I have a 50" plasma and already own an A35. I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a 983 when they are back in stock.

50 inch Full HD plasma. Samsung.

Keith

Player was factory sealed, I'm sure it was scratched in manufacturing, it happens. It was packed very well, not a mark on the box, so I'm sure it was not shipping damage. That's not what I was refering to on build quality. The player had a cheap lightwight feel to it, similar to $39 players from Walmart, with a peice of aluminum stuck to the front.

As far as the Divx/Xvid files, no matter what setting I chose, it stretched the video to fill the screen, like it could not identify the aspect ratio of Divx files, same as the poster I responded to. All files work perfectly on my new Yamaha DVD-S1700, and the cheap $39 player in the bedroom.All the Oppo players are not very high (2" approximately) but I suspect its up to the particular user tastes, some users like myself prefer trim players and some people prefer players that are the size of receivers, but size doesn't necessary equate to quality or performance. :)

Its interesting you went with the Yamaha DVD-S1700 as I heard this particular player has problems with less then perfect DVD's. But if it has worked out fine for you, great then.

I suspect Oppo could have determined your aspect issue with playing the Divx/Xvid files if you had sent them a example CD or DVD, oh well.
Cheers!

More likely it was that third party (Projector People) that scratched your 983, as Oppo packs their players very well. We could debate the build quality if you wish. The 983H physical appearance IMHO is not cheap. Did you ever try changing your TV Type from 16:9/Auto or 16:9/Wide to one of the 4:3 definitions to solve the aspect ration when playing the xvid/divx files?

I was tried too all variants of settings. Nothing helps. Honestly I'm dissapointed, because for such money it could show divx/xvid normally :( Even cheap Philips does.

I was tried too all variants of settings. Nothing helps. Honestly I'm dissapointed, because for such money it could show divx/xvid normally :( Even cheap Philips does.

It would be helpful if you could provide test files demonstrating the problem. During the beta period I played every divx file on the downloadable disc from divxtest.com and had no aspect ratio issues.

-Bill

Most of Divx and Xvid videos are 2,35:1 layout. From TV settings are chosen Wide (16:9) always. (Sony KDL46-X3500). If I will look 2,35:1 divx or xvid movies and choose from Oppo settings 16:9 or 16:9 /auto then it shows picture full screen without borders and picture is horizontally stretched out. Only way to look normal picture from TV is when I choose from Oppo settings 4:3 letterbox. Then from TV I see 2,35:1 which is fitted with borders down and up in 16:9 screen. But subtitles are almost in center of screen :( And that problem is only with divx and xvid format, with DVD is all ok. Output is HDMI. If you have tried every combination of "TV Display" settings (16:9, 4:3 letterbox, etc) together with each of the "Zoom" settings, then you may have an odd resolution in your Xvid encode. The Mediatek encoder chip in the player cannot support every conceivable format.

Gary

I've had this player for about one month now and must say it produces the best picture I've seen from any SD player I've used -- and that includes the Samsung BD-P1200 with Reon chip. It even betters my SDI-modified Panasonic RP-82 feeding a Lumagen VisionHDP video processor. I agree with all those who have said it produces a wonderful film-like image, with plenty of detail and very few distractions. Also, the zoom options and automatic handling of aspect ratios make it a pleasure to use.

However, the player has two drawbacks in my setup:

1) My rear speakers are farther from the seating position than the fronts. I asked Oppo support about making the setup more flexible regarding speaker distances (I don't have the option of relocating walls) but the response was that they have no plans to support a setup like mine:

We have constricted to the adherence of the Dolby Digital guidelines as it makes the design integration of a properly managed speaker delay system easier, is less processing intensive, and ensures that we can use the Front speakers as a total control. We have discussed this with the hardware and software engineers to great lengths during the beta period of the player design. They determined that the current control scheme is best for the product. There are no plans on making this feature more robust in the near future through a firmware release.

2. My surround processor has difficulty syncing up with the digital coax stream output by the Oppo. It takes between 1 to 3 seconds to resume audio after pausing playback, skipping chapters, etc. The same processor has no such problems with the PS3 or the Samsung BD-P1200, so the Oppo is doing something that does not work well with my processor. I suggested inserting a 0dB digital audio stream when the player is paused, skipping chapters, etc. to keep the processor sync'd at all times. In email, Oppo support was tending to blame the receiver of the digital stream (despite the counter examples I cited) but did say they would consider adding "black noise" for the cases I described:

The synchronization time is up to the receiving equipment in these cases. We are working with our engineers about the possibility of introducing black noise into the signal, but this is a lower priority compared to some of the other fixes which need to be introduced into the player.

Overall, I am very happy with the player. I can probably live with 1) above but 2) is really annoying since I have to reverse back after every pause to catch lost dialog.

BTW: I have the Oppo 983 hooked up to a Sony VPL-VW100 Ruby projecting onto a 110" diagonal screen.

That's not what I was refering to on build quality. The player had a cheap lightwight feel to it, similar to $39 players from Walmart, with a peice of aluminum stuck to the front.


So for something to be considered 'quality' in your life, it has to be heavy?

Do you ask that your car be made out of solid steel instead of aluminum? Do you have a steel bike? Is your computer case made of steel instead of aluminum?

...wow

So for something to be considered 'quality' in your life, it has to be heavy?

Do you ask that your car be made out of solid steel instead of aluminum? Do you have a steel bike? Is your computer case made of steel instead of aluminum?

...wow

Reminds me of all those people who did (and still do) consider professional cameras made out of plastic to be "cheap". Apparently never stopped to think which construction was the more durable when dropped: let's see glass cushioned by plastic, or glass cushioned by, yep, rock-hard metal ....

People, you are paying never-before-seen prices for the ABT chips. You are not paying for an all-copper chassis with solid gold buttons and Eichmann RCA plugs. We're having a hard enough time convincing people that the ABT chips are worth it: imagine if we had to add "spacecraft-worthy" construction to the list.

Having said all that, Oppo needs to address any DivX problems that are out there. I'm confident they will.