Here - for all you "hawk eyed" critics . . .

Which image is the native HD and which is the Cell processed?

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x66/LeeAStewart/image_preview1.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x66/LeeAStewart/image_preview.jpg

if the images on the left aren't SD and are supposed to be close to HD then the CEOs comment are laughable. looking at it I'd think the left is the unmodified SD image though and the right is the super upconvert.

Toshiba dumps HD DVD and now HDM doesn't matter?

No, Toshiba tells us that upconverting is the new HD - better than HD DVD even :rolleyes:

I find it weird that so many will follow Toshiba wherever they go.

Do you really have so much hate for a disc format?

Toshiba dumps HD DVD and now HDM doesn't matter?

No, Toshiba tells us that upconverting is the new HD - better than HD DVD even :rolleyes:

I find it weird that so many will follow Toshiba wherever they go.

Do you really have so much hate for a disc format?

Plenty of blind followers/suckers out there.

Wow! Now that HD DVD is gone, SUC will make sure that Blu-ray is dooooooomed. Again. :rolleyes:

PS:
Btw, why isn't this discussed in the DVD upconverter forums? I care about HDM, not upconverting DVDs.

Toshiba dumps HD DVD and now HDM doesn't matter?

No, Toshiba tells us that upconverting is the new HD - better than HD DVD even :rolleyes:

I find it weird that so many will follow Toshiba wherever they go.

Do you really have so much hate for a disc format?

I could ask the reverse question . . .

Why are you obsessed with a disc format?

As far as the images I posted. From an independent observer seeing this technology at CES 2008:

The technology demonstrations at CES featured real-time image super-resolution that literally transformed SD images into HD

As far as the images I posted. From an independent observer seeing this technology at CES 2008:

The technology demonstrations at CES featured real-time image super-resolution that literally transformed SD images into HD
Well, considering the only criteria for HD is that it must have a minimum resolution of 720x1280 that really doesn't say much. Any simple image doubler can make DVD true HD per definition. Whoever came up with variable fame sizes and lumped them together as HD was either stupid of deceptive and left us with a mess in the market. At a minimum they should have had HD/720 and HD/1024 where to qualify for either label your source must equal the defined resolution natively and before any image enhancements or scalling is applied.

I could ask the reverse question . . .

Why are you obsessed with a disc format?

Hmmm, because Blu-Ray is a product that we bought into. We have experienced the Audio/Visual quality and it is something that we enjoy.

Ever since HDDVD started showing real signs of weakness, you guys have been desperately clinging onto anything that is "Not Blu-ray".... From "People Dont care about HDM" to "VOD will rule the world" and now "those who thought that 1080p upconverters were not good enough and wanted Blu-ray.... will now want these 960P upconversion which are good enough"

Honestly, HDDVD lost. Get over it, and stop grasping at everything

Hmmm, because Blu-Ray is a product that we bought into. We have experienced the Audio/Visual quality and it is something that we enjoy.

Ever since HDDVD started showing real signs of weakness, you guys have been desperately clinging onto anything that is "Not Blu-ray".... From "People Dont care about HDM" to "VOD will rule the world" and now "those who thought that 1080p upconverters were not good enough and wanted Blu-ray.... will now want these 960P upconversion which are good enough"

Honestly, HDDVD lost. Get over it, and stop grasping at everything

If BD is the chosen format (which it is) then why are people "poo pooing" this technology so much?

And PLEASE stop being a sore winner. It does not become you at all.

If BD is the chosen format (which it is) then why are people "poo pooing" this technology so much?

And PLEASE stop being a sore winner. It does not become you at all.

Look at yourself in the mirror.

You have almost 9000 posts in a little over a year. Undoubtedly the majority of them are pro HD-DVD. I havent read many of your posts.. but I am going to guess that the trend was

HDDVD will win
Both will become niche formats
HDDVD can survive
J6P doesnt care about HDM
HDM is doomed
VOD will replace physical media
960p Upconverters will be good enough

Every week, some old HDDVD supporters who cannot let go... have to constantly dig up another zombie to be the new Blu-Ray competition. The Question is Why?

Supposidly you supported HDDVD because it was a high quality AV format. Reading posts these days... it would seem that HDDVD supporters only supported HDDVD because its "Not Sony or Not Blu Ray"

If BD is the chosen format (which it is) then why are people "poo pooing" this technology so much?

And PLEASE stop being a sore winner. It does not become you at all.

Yeah, stop it!

Almost without exception, the people who are pooh-poohing Blu-ray are the same ones who have been doing it for the last two years. In some cases, a little scrutiny beyond the websites and publications, on the actual authors of the articles, reveals no fundamental change in stance. Same goes for the forums. The largest pushback on the forums like AVS, HTF, and HDD is from the exact same posters who have been doing it the whole time. And as for the "sore winner" comment? He's not being sore, he's wondering why HD DVD supporters are getting so desperate to find every anti-BD/pro-Toshiba scrap they can find.

Case in point: Posting a 400x366 image of a TV screen in motion taken with a handheld camera from several feet away and then telling people they'll never guess which is HD and which is upconverting certainly justifies such a response.

Look at yourself in the mirror.

You have almost 9000 posts in a little over a year."

holy smokes!:eek:

Look at yourself in the mirror.

You have almost 9000 posts in a little over a year. Undoubtedly the majority of them are pro HD-DVD. I havent read many of your posts.. but I am going to guess that the trend was

HDDVD will win
Both will become niche formats
HDDVD can survive
J6P doesnt care about HDM
HDM is doomed
VOD will replace physical media
960p Upconverters will be good enough

Every week, some old HDDVD supporters who cannot let go... have to constantly dig up another zombie to be the new Blu-Ray competition. The Question is Why?

Supposidly you supported HDDVD because it was a high quality AV format. Reading posts these days... it would seem that HDDVD supporters only supported HDDVD because its "Not Sony or Not Blu Ray"
:iagree:

I used to label these posts, Attack of the HD Memes, Part 1 -7 every time I would read them. Then I got tired.

Look at yourself in the mirror.

You have almost 9000 posts in a little over a year. Undoubtedly the majority of them are pro HD-DVD. I havent read many of your posts.. but I am going to guess that the trend was

HDDVD will win - false
Both will become niche formats - true
HDDVD can survive - true
J6P doesnt care about HDM - true
HDM is doomed - false
VOD will replace physical media - false
960p Upconverters will be good enough - false - DVD is "good enough"

[QUOTE]Every week, some old HDDVD supporters who cannot let go... have to constantly dig up another zombie to be the new Blu-Ray competition. The Question is Why?

Something wrong with discussing new technologies?:confused: It is AV Science you know;)

Supposidly you supported HDDVD because it was a high quality AV format. Reading posts these days... it would seem that HDDVD supporters only supported HDDVD because its "Not Sony or Not Blu Ray"

True in some cases - false in others. Has been discussed ad nauseaum.

PS - when in doubt - attack the poster - works great . . . right?:(

if the images on the left aren't SD and are supposed to be close to HD then the CEOs comment are laughable. looking at it I'd think the left is the unmodified SD image though and the right is the super upconvert.


Correct. The image on the left IS the SD DVD, the right is the same DVD processed w/ this super upconversion method.

Everyone needs to understand that some people just like to argue or 'debate' this stuff over and over.

If you are not one of the people who likes to argue the same stuff over and over then it is best to just not respond.

Correct. The image on the left IS the SD DVD, the right is the same DVD processed w/ this super upconversion method.

Where is this info coming from? Does it say that in the article that the images are from?

Although some may disagree, the Toshiba suits aren't idiots.


Yea... they did a heck of a job with HD-DVD those genius

Yea... they did a heck of a job with HD-DVD those genius

Tough to win a fight as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.:rolleyes:

So this week it's 'SD DVD is good enough'. Interesting. I'll keep watching my Blu-ray and HD DVD players and disks, thank you.

So this week it's 'SD DVD is good enough'. Interesting. I'll keep watching my Blu-ray and HD DVD players and disks, thank you.

What makes this week any different from the other weeks?:confused:

Tough to win a fight as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.:rolleyes:

Any Sane One legged man.... would pass on competing in an "ass kicking contest"

I will also continue watching my Blu-Ray and HD disks. The sad part is that for the average consumer SD may be good enough. If the Blu-Ray group does not lower prices of players and disk they could also loose.

Any Sane One legged man.... would pass on competing in an "ass kicking contest"

See that is what happens when you try to protect the reported $1 billion per year that you get from DVD royalties which Toshiba gets.

You give it a go even though the deck is stacked against you.:p

What makes this week any different from the other weeks?:confused:

You seem to just come here to argue with every little post. I'm not really sure why you come here anymore.

As far as the images I posted. From an independent observer seeing this technology at CES 2008:

And the Wall Street Journal raves "Bose Packs Concert Acoustics Into Home-Speaker Systems." That doesn't make it true.

Where is this info coming from? Does it say that in the article that the images are from?

Just going by what the Audioholics article (where the pics are from) appears to be stating thru the pics.

The SD video may not be DVD, but I would assume that that's what they were recorded on.

Since the images on the left are a bit soft & the right sees much more detail, logic tells me that this is the case - SD left, "super" on the right.

It's amazing that so many here are getting up in arms about this, w/o actually seeing this in action, in person, w/ their own eyes. The Audioholics guys were obviously impressed when Toshiba showed this off @ CES (originally meant to be part of their HDTVs).

I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt until I can see this for myself on an actual HDTV, not a screen cap on a PC monitor. Seeing that it works under a seemingly different principle that traditional line doubling, this may be the next DVD option for many.

Doesn't make Blu any "worse", though. HDM still trumps in "real" HD as well as higher res audio. Us AVS types will generally go that route. But it is very possible that HDM (as in BluRay, but the same for HD DVD if the tables were turned) will be our HD laserdisc, while the masses stick w/ DVD for the forseeable future. If SD DVD can get even closer to "real" HD via this super upconversion, Blu getting stuck in a high-end niche is possible.

The masses (J6P, if you will) might stick with a cheaper player that'll play all their old DVDs & get 'em real close to Blu video quality. Really, if a player that costs, say, $150 & noticably improves existing DVD video quality in ways not available before.....what direction might many avg consumers go?

This, of course, won't "polish a turd" as they say. A crappy/old DVD master will simply be a more detailed turd. More recent masters, however, could really benefit. Something like a Pixar or one of the Star Wars DVD could benefit from this super upconversion quite a bit.

What about the audio, you might ask? Well, of course HDM beats DVD there. Then again, how many out of the "mass consumer" population has the audio gear that is necessary to actually enjoy HDM high res audio as it's meant to be heard? DVD audio may also be "good enough" for most.

I'm very interested to see this for myself. If anything, it's given me another reason to hold off on going Blu earlier than 2009.

You seem to just come here to argue with every little post. I'm not really sure why you come here anymore.

Lee is the 'voice of reason'. A breath of fresh air, if you will. :)

Originally Posted by sharkcohen
So this week it's 'SD DVD is good enough'.

false, hasn't been for a long time. blu-ray :D

The sad part is that for the average consumer SD may be good enough. If the Blu-Ray group does not lower prices of players and disk they could also loose.

Why is it 'sad' that SD may be good enough?? Because a miniscule amount of people like HDM. Puuulease. BTW, it's 'lose', not 'loose'. Thanks...

Look at yourself in the mirror.

You have almost 9000 posts in a little over a year. Undoubtedly the majority of them are pro HD-DVD. I havent read many of your posts.. but I am going to guess that the trend was

HDDVD will win
Both will become niche formats
HDDVD can survive
J6P doesnt care about HDM
HDM is doomed
VOD will replace physical media
960p Upconverters will be good enough

Every week, some old HDDVD supporters who cannot let go... have to constantly dig up another zombie to be the new Blu-Ray competition. The Question is Why?

Supposidly you supported HDDVD because it was a high quality AV format. Reading posts these days... it would seem that HDDVD supporters only supported HDDVD because its "Not Sony or Not Blu Ray"

The only thing you left out was:
"TL Twin Discs will win the war for HD DVD"

Other than that, spot on.

I really wish that those who have no interest in HDM would go to their proper areas on this site and leave the rest of us alone. The scorched earth mentality is getting really tiresome.

I will also continue watching my Blu-Ray and HD disks. The sad part is that for the average consumer SD may be good enough. If the Blu-Ray group does not lower prices of players and disk they could also loose.

+1

This is why I haven't bought into BD along with the technical issues. Since I can see the difference between an excellent HD DVD transfer and up-convert there are some HD DVDs that look as good on SD DVD up-converted from my XA2. Plus HDM does have a better PQ record compared to BDM in the past 2 years. These studios or who ever is doing the HD transfers has to step it up on the re-mastering to clearly make it visible that HDM/BDM is superior to any up-convert; plus BD has to drop prices on players and BDM.

...Angelo

Something wrong with discussing new technologies?:confused:
This is the area of the site that discusses HDM, not downloads and SD upconversion. I'd be willing to bet that no one would be accusing you of trolling if you were posting in the proper areas of the site.
It is AV Science you know;)
AVS Forum is named after A/V Science, Inc., a custom A/V installation company that was started in 1997.

This is the area of the site that discusses HDM, not downloads and SD upconverting. I'd be willing to bet that no one would be accusing you of trolling if you were posting in the proper areas of the site.

So why is the thread still here? Why didn't the mods move it?:confused:

reminds me of the old days :o

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