Yes, $200 or less shipped. No Bic H-100 for me:(

I've been looking at the JBL 12" (http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product_Id=4104345&JRSource=googlebase.datafeed.JBL+VENSUB12). I went to BestBuy and listened to it in the Magnolia room. It sounded great compared to the Onkyo "230watt" sub I'm replacing.

Are there any other under $200 shipped worth consideration.

And please, I don't need to hear the endless droves of "you get what you pay for" and "spend $50 more" or "the minimum you should get is an ED or SVS" etc. etc. I'm coming from TV speakers, to an Onkyo HT-sr800 (for a week) to low-end Polks with whatever sub I get now...

For the price the Dayton 12in subs from partsexpress.com aren't bad. They will hit harder than what you currently have.

The Dayton Sub-120 isn't a bad choice for your price point. Or the Velodyne VX10. I imagine the JBL isn't too bad, either. Not everyone can afford the Bic (or an ED for that matter), which is why those under-$200 subs exist. :)

Any of them will blow away the Onkyo one (and I own the Onkyo sub, although it isn't currently hooked up.)

Rocket X-Sub is the best sub $200 sub PERIOD!!! (as per Craigs sub rankings!! Best Rankings online!!!)

av123 makes the sub and they are very well known and respected ID speaker company.

http://**********/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=41&category_id=9&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

you can not go wrong if you want a $200 sub!!

Rocket X-Sub is the best sub $200 sub PERIOD!!! (as per Craigs sub rankings!! Best Rankings online!!!)

av123 makes the sub and they are very well known and respected ID speaker company.

http://**********/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=41&category_id=9&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

you can not go wrong if you want a $200 sub!!

The op stated $200 shipped, that's the reason he excluded the Bic H-100. The X-Sub is a great little sub however it's the same price as the Bic.

Any of the mentioned budget subs are going to blow away the Onkyo sub, my personal choice is the Velodyne VX-10.

How is the Velodyne VRP 10"? I believe there's at least one at my local CC for $175:
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Velodyne-10-VRP-Series-Subwoofer-VRP-1000/sem/rpsm/oid/92859/catOid/-12884/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

Consider a Sony SA WM500 or SA W3000.

Save the 39 dollars and get the H-100. Trust me, you do NOT want to waste your money on a mediocre sub when you could have waited a few weeks to get something ten times nicer.

The op stated $200 shipped, that's the reason he excluded the Bic H-100. The X-Sub is a great little sub however it's the same price as the Bic.

Not to mention, isn't the x-sub backordered? He could have any of the others within the week.

Save the 39 dollars and get the H-100. Trust me, you do NOT want to waste your money on a mediocre sub when you could have waited a few weeks to get something ten times nicer.

It's about $249 now through either eBay or Overstock. They raised the shipping price on the eBay ones to $49, and $200 is their Buy it Now low. While he could save $49 extra dollars, too, we don't know his exact situation, and maybe he doesn't want to spend the $49, which is his decision to make.

If he wants to wait and save, sure, I'd advise the Bic. But if he doesn't want to spend more or wants a sub now, the Velodyne or Dayton (or a few of the others) will be fine for him.

Get the Dayton sub-120. On some other forums they say it out performs the Bic. I guess it is a matter of preference. I have 2 and love them.

Rocket X-Sub is the best sub $200 sub PERIOD!!! (as per Craigs sub rankings!! Best Rankings online!!!)

av123 makes the sub and they are very well known and respected ID speaker company.

http://**********/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=41&category_id=9&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

you can not go wrong if you want a $200 sub!!

For music it's a sure bet, but for HT, due to the tendency to produce port noise at higher output levels, unless you have a pretty small room, I personaly would not recommend it.



How is the Velodyne VRP 10"? I believe there's at least one at my local CC for $175:
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Velodyne-10-VRP-Series-Subwoofer-VRP-1000/sem/rpsm/oid/92859/catOid/-12884/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do


It's the same sub as the VX10 with a different grill and finish.

Ian

Thanks for all the replies.

I think I'm going to take some THX and DTS sampler discs and listen to the Velodyne VRP 10" at CC and the JBL Sub12 at BB tomorrow.

Thanks for all the replies.

I think I'm going to take some THX and DTS sampler discs and listen to the Velodyne VRP 10" at CC and the JBL Sub12 at BB tomorrow.

Good idea. Having personally used the Velodyne VX10 for well over a year, I can say that for its price it's a great performer. It's no SPL king, but at well under $200, that's not a reasonable expectation. I found it to very competent with music, and it gave good impact to HT, as long as it's used in a small room. For around $150, I'd recommend it.

i'm returning a velodyne vrp1000 i bought at circuit city. It always shuts off during 5.1 movies when there isn't alot of bass. and i've already put the dB gains to +12 on my reciever on the LFE

I got the JBL sub12 a couple weeks ago and I have to say (even though I am a novice) this thing works well for me... especially after I found the db setting on my receiver and set it at +5 db :D. HUGE improvement over what I had and sometimes I actually have to turn the receiver volume down when playing COD4 while the wife is sleeping so she doesnt kill me :D

I'd go with the PE 12"..... The JBL's are decent but dang, they all seem to go out way before they should.

i'm returning a velodyne vrp1000 i bought at circuit city. It always shuts off during 5.1 movies when there isn't alot of bass. and i've already put the dB gains to +12 on my reciever on the LFE :eek:

There is obviously something wrong with the sub, your connections or the receiver. Check your receiver's LFE set up, the sub cable and all your connections. The newer VRP subs are so sensitive now, that as soon as you turn on the source, even if there is no real bass content, they turn on. Even the older ones, if set up properly, wouldn't give you that kind of a problem. I run two VX10's, and one is the older version, on my Pioneer, with the line level set at -2 and I never have a problem with them coming on or staying on.


I'd go with the PE 12"..... The JBL's are decent but dang, they all seem to go out way before they should.


I had a JBL sub and when it stopped working I had one of my Boomer techs check it out. He told me that one of amp caps blew and it was real crap.


Ian ;)

I have a quick question, I just recently purchased a Yamaha YST-SW215 from ebay. The guy sent me the wrong sub, sent me a YST-SW216. Should I complain or is this a better sub he sent me?

Thanks in advanced

I have a quick question, I just recently purchased a Yamaha YST-SW215 from ebay. The guy sent me the wrong sub, sent me a YST-SW216. Should I complain or is this a better sub he sent me?

Thanks in advanced


I would assume they are pretty much the same. Google it to find out.;)


Ian

:eek:


I had a JBL sub and when it stopped working I had one of my Boomer techs check it out. He told me that one of amp caps blew and it was real crap.


Ian ;)

Same here, my first sub a couple years ago was one of the 12" JBL subs (the current ones have the same layout) and the amp blew within about 14 months or so. Gave away that crap to my neighbor and bought an SVS. Stay away from JBL subs...

Same here, my first sub a couple years ago was one of the 12" JBL subs (the current ones have the same layout) and the amp blew within about 14 months or so. Gave away that crap to my neighbor and bought an SVS. Stay away from JBL subs...


Whoa, your first post in three years is to say how crappy JBL subs are. Your words with mailiang's, along with quite a few of these on eBay as refurbs have definitely turned me away.

I also did stop by BB and checked it out. I wasn't impressed or unimpressed...kind of neutral. I then went to CC to check out the Velodyne VRP 1000 and of course they didn't have one on display (clearance). The website showed my store had them in stock, so the guy checks inventory and it shows they have one left. Long story short, a supposed glitch in the inventory system = I'm still subless. My entry-level Polk speakers should be here by Wed., so I need to find something quick. I think I'll just order a VX-10 online.

I think you'll be happy with the Velodyne. It'll definitely be a noticeable upgrade from the Onkyo.

Whoa, your first post in three years is to say how crappy JBL subs are. Your words with mailiang's, along with quite a few of these on eBay as refurbs have definitely turned me away.


That's awesome!!!

Not that your subless of course, but that you hit a nerve so strong that you got a guy to post for the first time in almost three years.

BTW, hope the Velo works out, they have a great rep.

Fry's online had the VX10 for $135 a month or so ago. Too bad I didn't jump on it when I had the chance! :(

Fry's online had the VX10 for $135 a month or so ago. Too bad I didn't jump on it when I had the chance! :(

The VX10 is probably the only sub I know of, that is being sold below cost. According to my Velodyne sources, since it's a loss leader and not generating any real profit, they will probably discontinue it by years end. I'm certain there will be more blow outs.

Ian

due to the tendency to produce port noise at higher output levels

Ian, Do you have one? where did you read that and what are the higher output levels?

It only should go to 80 Hz. I thought Mark designed it as the ultimate value HT sub.

Ian, Do you have one? where did you read that and what are the higher output levels?

It only should go to 80 Hz. I thought Mark designed it as the ultimate value HT sub.

Don't get me wrong, It is a great value, but personally, if my sights are set on HT, the port noise it produces at higher volume levels would bother me. However if your room is small and your not going to listen to it near reference level, it probably won't be an issue. See link for details.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/onix-x-sub/conclusion-and-measurements

Ian

thanks for the link...I guess at refrence levels most of these cheap subs are going kind of suck (IMO).

I dont know if the OP sees it the same way either. I think when we are considering reference levels we definitely arent talking about subs < $200. Heck cheap little speakers can not play at reference levels.

Sort of an apples to orange discussion on that point.

I wonder if the other cheap subs can even play at reference levels either?

thanks for the link...I guess at refrence levels most of these cheap subs are going kind of suck (IMO).

I dont know if the OP sees it the same way either. I think when we are considering reference levels we definitely arent talking about subs < $200. Heck cheap little speakers can not play at reference levels.

Sort of an apples to orange discussion on that point.

I wonder if the other cheap subs can even play at reference levels either?

Maybe if the measurements are taken with the microphone 8" from the woofer ;)

Maybe if the measurements are taken with the microphone 8" from the woofer ;)

I think the problem with the X sub is the small 8" driver and slotted port. I've heard complaints about some slotted port designs, like the older Velodyne CHT series, experiencing some cuffing. If you read the review you will see that the measurements were taken pretty close (1/2 meter). At that distance, even with high impact material, I've reached close to 100db on my Velos, with out any noticeable cuffing.

Ian

i'm returning a velodyne vrp1000 i bought at circuit city. It always shuts off during 5.1 movies when there isn't alot of bass. and i've already put the dB gains to +12 on my reciever on the LFE

It's a known problem. It was posted on the Velodyne website before. When i bought mine, two and a half years ago, i found out from their website. You need to contact them and they will send you a Y splitter for free.

I just bought my own Y splitter and connected both the input on the Sub and it worked perfect.

The Velo VRP-1000 is not a bad sub for less than $200, when I use the AVIA to play the bass sweep, I can hear response down to about 35Hz.

I am waiting for my MFW-15, but the Velo VRP-1000 has serve me well for all this time.

Hope that helps.

It's a known problem. It was posted on the Velodyne website before. When i bought mine, two and a half years ago, i found out from their website. You need to contact them and they will send you a Y splitter for free.

I just bought my own Y splitter and connected both the input on the Sub and it worked perfect.

The Velo VRP-1000 is not a bad sub for less than $200, when I use the AVIA to play the bass sweep, I can hear response down to about 35Hz.

I am waiting for my MFW-15, but the Velo VRP-1000 has serve me well for all this time.

Hope that helps.


The Y is only going to increase the LFE output to the sub by 3db. Based on his problem, I doubt that is going to cure it. I'm surprise you can't get down below the tuning point on your 1000. My two VX10's will extend close to 25 hz before they start to show a significant drop in output, or a steep rise in distortion, in my 1800^3 room.

Ian

I think the problem with the X sub is the small 8" driver and slotted port. I've heard complaints about some slotted port designs, like the older Velodyne CHT series, experiencing some cuffing. If you read the review you will see that the measurements were taken pretty close (1/2 meter). At that distance, even with high impact material, I've reached close to 100db on my Velos, with out any noticeable cuffing.

Ian

Hi Ian,

Just as with most any design, execution is everything. Slot-style ports have both benefits and detriments. I think many have found the slot-port on the MFW-15 rather effective. :) I'm using slot ports in both my Terraform and AV123's x-plosive, as well as 2-3 other subwoofers under development. They can certainly be put to good use, although there are plenty of current examples with problems.

I just recently made my first receiver and satellite purchase based on reviews that I have read in this forum. I have also read enough about subwoofers to know that there is a ton of information out there regarding the best sub for room size, music vs. theater, etc.

I just wanted to get a few opinions regarding the following sub choices and the best for the money. My living room is approx. 20 X 18 X 10 and is very open to the rest of the house. I would like something that will be a good hybrid for music and movies as I will use the surround sound for both.

From what I have gathered from above, it appears as though the Dayton 12 is out based on the port noise & the BIC & AV X subs are out because they are over $200 shipped, leaving the Velo 10.

Therefore, my question is this, I am willing to spend around $225 for a sub. So am I better off going with the Bic, X-sub or Velo and what is the best (cheapest of course) place to buy.

Thanks

I just recently made my first receiver and satellite purchase based on reviews that I have read in this forum. I have also read enough about subwoofers to know that there is a ton of information out there regarding the best sub for room size, music vs. theater, etc.

I just wanted to get a few opinions regarding the following sub choices and the best for the money. My living room is approx. 20 X 18 X 10 and is very open to the rest of the house. I would like something that will be a good hybrid for music and movies as I will use the surround sound for both.

From what I have gathered from above, it appears as though the Dayton 12 is out based on the port noise & the BIC & AV X subs are out because they are over $200 shipped, leaving the Velo 10.

Therefore, my question is this, I am willing to spend around $225 for a sub. So am I better off going with the Bic, X-sub or Velo and what is the best (cheapest of course) place to buy.

Thanks


For that size room you're going to have a problem filling it with a lot of bass. For your budget I would go with the Bic, but I would also recommend that you place it near field, to get the most amount of impact from it.


Just as with most any design, execution is everything. Slot-style ports have both benefits and detriments. I think many have found the slot-port on the MFW-15 rather effective. I'm using slot ports in both my Terraform and AV123's x-plosive, as well as 2-3 other subwoofers under development. They can certainly be put to good use, although there are plenty of current examples with problems.


I agree. The newer Velodyne DPS and DLS series also use a slotted port which seems very effective. They may lack the real low end punch of some of the Internet market offerings, but they are very accurate and clean. As always, thanks for your input Mark!

Ian

Therefore, my question is this, I am willing to spend around $225 for a sub. So am I better off going with the Bic, X-sub or Velo and what is the best (cheapest of course) place to buy.

Thanks

For the Bic, Overstock.com with rebates/coupons and eBay with a Buy it now offer of $200 +$49 shipping are about even.

********** sells the x-sub direct for $200. Not sure what shipping is, but I think it's around the Bic's.

The Velodyne VX-10 is available from a number of places. A quick search puts it around $175 shipped.

FYI,

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/539813201

I'm the OP of this thread and I went with the Velo vx-10 for $156 (http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203315347&listingid=19448362&dcaid=17902) shipped on buy.com with google checkout.

I ran across eBay and the HarmonAudio store just before purchasing the Velo. I was looking at their refurb Infinity PS 212 (12" woofer and 400watt RMS amp - $400'ish new). But they engage in shilling for nearly every auction which made it near impossible to get it for around $200. Looking through ended auctions, I noticed one person "won" an auction for $180+ $32 shipping. And I think the only reason he got that price was because the auction ended in the middle of the night and the shills were sleeping lol.

Hmmmm...nice price on that VX10. Decisions...decisions. I just bought the KSW-10 from Costco for about $162. It's for my2nd HT that is setup in a smaller room (12X12) and will be mated with the Klipsch Quintet III satellite speakers. Which one would you guys go with?

PS. I have the Velo CT-150 and HSU-HO in my main HT so I'm not expecting these little guys to rock the house. But I would like to keep the better sub.

I just pulled the trigger and went with the VX10 from Vann's for $169 shipped. The unpackaged KSW10 will be going back to Costco next week! :cool:

I just pulled the trigger and went with the VX10 from Vann's for $169 shipped. The unpackaged KSW10 will be going back to Costco next week! :cool:

Good choice. I have had the KSW-10 for about five years, and don't like it. It's muddy and indistinct. Plus, I've blown the fuse twice on it (had ESP thru BB so didn't have to pay - otherwise, it'd be $$$).

Overall though, the Bic hits the lowest frequencies (24 hz), so for $249, you really can't go wrong.

I just pulled the trigger and went with the VX10 from Vann's for $169 shipped. The unpackaged KSW10 will be going back to Costco next week! :cool:

I think you'll be pleased with the VX10. While it won't bring your house down, I think it's a great sub for the price. It sounds very respectable with music, unlike many other <$200 subs, and has decent impact for HT as long as your room isn't huge. Good choice :). Make sure to give us impressions once you've set it up and demoed some material.

I bought VX10 from Fry's Woodland Hills 2 weeks ago. Paid $129.99 + Tax. Glad I returned the KSW10 which I got from Costco @149.99. Velodyne is better.

Interesting and timely topic.

The Velodyne sub in my CHT series 5.1 setup from 2000 finally decided it was time for a permanent nap.

With that said I was looking at the VX10 as a replacement. I like the price point of the VX10 and was happy with the sub in the CHT but was wondering how well it will replace the CHT sub?

The VRP-1000 also falls within the same price point.

Any thoughts?

-Funk

How would the VX10 and the AV123 X-sub compare in a relatively large room? The room is approx 28Wx18Lx10H and has opening (open doorways) to 3 other rooms. The TV and couch are on the 28'walls, so we are about 15' or so away form the TV/AVR.


I'd like to get one to start, and if needed add a second later on, if the bass isn't enough. I just want to know if the Velo VX10 or the AV123 X-sub would be a better fit in teh room.


THANKS.

How would the VX10 and the AV123 X-sub compare in a relatively large room? The room is approx 28Wx18Lx10H and has opening (open doorways) to 3 other rooms. The TV and couch are on the 28'walls, so we are about 15' or so away form the TV/AVR.


I'd like to get one to start, and if needed add a second later on, if the bass isn't enough. I just want to know if the Velo VX10 or the AV123 X-sub would be a better fit in teh room.


THANKS.

With that much cubic square feet you will need a sub in the $450+ range. Go to craigsub and see how he rated them.

Bill

Audio Advisor has the Athena AS - P4100 for $150.

Power handling: 100-watt continuous, 400-watt peak
Frequency response: 23 Hz to 120 Hz +/- 3 dB
Dimensions: 17.5" high, 11.5" wide, 18" deep
Weight: 28 lbs.

The JBL Sub12 can be found on Amazon for $169 shipped. That's about the best deal I've found for a sub-$200 sub. :)

Not to mention, isn't the x-sub backordered? He could have any of the others within the week.

According to av123's B-Stock Sale (http://av123forum.com/showthread.php?t=30598&highlight=b+stock) they still have some X-Subs in Moho finish for $179. I have a black on order that should ship later this week.