Convert My Tv Is No Longer Listed On Ntia Site For Cecb's.

That should tell you and everyone else here.

lexus2108, I received Email confirmation that my order was still intact and that the MMBTVB02 will be substituted for the MMDTVB03. So I don't believe I have effectively canceled my order. I was not notified of any price delta.

I received a similar message from support@convertmy.tv a short time ago:

We have gone ahead and refunded your card for you. We will honor your previously submitted coupons towards the MMDTVB02, FT300A (in stock), or any other CECB we may carry. We are being told that the MMDTVB02 will become available in June, when that becomes a reality ... we will rerun your transaction at your request.

...when "what" becomes a reality; the MMDTVB02, or June?

Convert My Tv Is No Longer Listed On Ntia Site For Cecb's.

That should tell you and everyone else here.

On the other hand freedtvshop.com has never been listed (as far as I know) and they are a valid online vendor. I am not sure what it takes to be listed on the website. Maybe they are rotating vendors through? Maybe Mosquito could shed some insight. I know he has been trying to get the freedtvshop listed (see below). So not being listed now is probably just a coincidence? :confused:

The dtv2009.gov site has had those same listings for a few days now. I am furiously trying to get them to post my site up there as well, as I have been approved for WEEKS! I don't understand why it doesn't take more than 5 minutes to add a link. The do not go by sales, and it is extremely frustrating to me as I appear to be getting the shaft on this whole deal.

Mosquito Productions (but without website spelled out) has been listed
on 14Mar, 28Mar and latest 4Apr2008 "Participating Retailer" lists:
https://www.ntiadtv.gov/info.cfm

Maybe NTIA needs to include www.freedtvshop.com website in the spread sheet list.

I was looking at 1 of the following. Passthru is important to me

1) The NEW RCA 800b1 (not out yet) On the NTIA list with Passthru

2) The new Digital stream on Freedtvshop with passthru

3) Zenith is rumored to have passthru with a new box coming

4) If i can't get any the above before end of MAY. I will get the philco with passthru set through menu system

PS I will NEVER buy another Maxmedia and neither will any relatives. That ship has sailed. They lost my trust. It is a shame they would of got a few more sales.lexus2108

Keep checking the NTIA list too as they keep adding Passthru boxes
TATUNG TDB3001 and now DIGITAL STREAM DTX9950 for example

Also remember that the Microprose MPI-500 also has Passthru and will be out in MAY

Where will you be buying your Philco TB100HH9 from?
For free shipping you can try savinglots (http://www.savinglots.com/televisiondtv.asp?subcat=accessories&subcat3=dtv%20certified)$59.95 - 40.00 = 19.95

I too will be looking for Passthru as I only have Low Power in my area and some said they will switch to digital and others said they plan to 2-3 years after.

I had a nightmare. I ordered this box by Maxmedia and they charged my credit card and government coupon even sent out a email saying it was shipped but never came. Then i read on a INTERNET web site a thread that said it was delayed, and delayed and delayed and then got an email that said they were changing the box model number and didn't know when it was shipping if ever and would not give me my government coupon back so i could buy another box at another web site. I wrote my worthless congresswomen about the limited days the government coupon has and the problems it was giving even wrote the local consumer investigator on TV and no one cared.

Glad it was just a nightmare.

Someone on here said that the boxes are just good for analog TV and die when they do. I have a RCA 19" B&W TV we bought 1970 and it still works. I bet my $125.00 27" analog TV along with my other 7 analog TVs will out last any of your $1,000.00+ flat screen HDTVs you can buy today. Analog might not be around long but the analog TVs will so the box is important.

I had a nightmare. I ordered this box by Maxmedia and they charged my credit card and government coupon even sent out a email saying it was shipped but never came. Then i read on a INTERNET web site a thread that said it was delayed, and delayed and delayed and then got an email that said they were changing the box model number and didn't know when it was shipping if ever and would not give me my government coupon back so i could buy another box at another web site. I wrote my worthless congresswomen about the limited days the government coupon has and the problems it was giving even wrote the local consumer investigator on TV and no one cared.

Glad it was just a nightmare.


Whoo, Dagger666, you'd better lay off those jalapeno poppers right before bedtime. That was really scary!

It'd only have been worse if the consumer advocate and congresswoman really did care and still didn't manage to help you out of your predicament.

I must be a dinosaur, because I still get an uneasy feeling whenever I order something online from a vendor I haven't dealt with before. Like I'm enabling them to rip me off or screw up my order and will have to go through h*** to get things all straightened out again - if I ever do!

Someone on here said that the boxes are just good for analog TV and die when they do. I have a RCA 19" B&W TV we bought 1970 and it still works. I bet my $125.00 27" analog TV along with my other 7 analog TVs will out last any of your $1,000.00+ flat screen HDTVs you can buy today. Analog might not be around long but the analog TVs will so the box is important.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13613620#post13613620

I thought I was having déjà vu...

I just caught this statement from the maxmedia-usa site:

This statement is in response to the reason why Maxmedia has delayed their Converter box to the market. There is a big portion of the Converter boxes that are sold that are being returned for a very serious reason. The issue resides in the channel stability and number of channels received. This applies to many brands currently on the market. Maxmedia’s response to this problem was to redesign our converter box to provide a much higher standard than what is available on the market currently.
Maxmedia is strictly a NTIA approved manufacturer and supplier of converter boxes. We are not a retailer or e-tailer.

well it didn't make any sense to cancel my order since the coupon is tied up so i left it as is hoping. If they come through, great we can only wait and hope. If you have been following the threads there is truth in what they say, none of the boxes are with out problems. You would figure this would not be that big of a deal to make a damn box that works but i guess it is. I'm almost tempted to order another box since it doesn't look like the TR-40 will make it before May 23 coupon expires, tempted but not.

I just caught this statement from the maxmedia-usa site:

This statement is in response to the reason why Maxmedia has delayed their Converter box to the market. There is a big portion of the Converter boxes that are sold that are being returned for a very serious reason. The issue resides in the channel stability and number of channels received. This applies to many brands currently on the market. Maxmedia’s response to this problem was to redesign our converter box to provide a much higher standard than what is available on the market currently.
Maxmedia is strictly a NTIA approved manufacturer and supplier of converter boxes. We are not a retailer or e-tailer.

i don't really think that has been an issue with other boxes. No analog pass-threw, over heating, audio hiss problems, rotten epg, having some of the picture cut off, seeing the digital stream along the top of the picture and doing a bad job with CC. They all seam to lock in the stations and hold them fine, don't know where they got that.

It's more of an antenna and broadcastings issue than box if you ask me.

Hmm, I wonder if all that dancing around channels means they are dumping the Thomson tuner and going with Microtune. With them, it's a never-ending story. First it was they couldn't get the parts, then it was they were getting a new chipset to improve picture quality, and now they talk like they mean the tuner. MaxMedia could be the best product on the market, and if it doesn't get there within the first half of this program, they've lost half the sales.

Hmm, I wonder if all that dancing around channels means they are dumping the Thomson tuner and going with Microtune. With them, it's a never-ending story. First it was they couldn't get the parts, then it was they were getting a new chipset to improve picture quality, and now they talk like they mean the tuner. MaxMedia could be the best product on the market, and if it doesn't get there within the first half of this program, they've lost half the sales.

I've been reading the posts and they didn't miss out on sales, they took the money and coupons and someday they might give a product. I never saw this box as special, I want one that is long lasting, good reception, and extended epg. I hope my microgem is. I want the tr 40 because I own a top notch high tech echostar product from 9 years ago, It still has more abilities than anything on the market since. I am greatful I'm not going through all you guys are and hope the best for you.

I read the same posts, and it sounded like what, 100 boxes sold? If they sold ten times that, it's still not much. Imagine what a known company, say Echostar, would get from a pre-sale. My Feb 08 Zenith S/N was in the 250,000 range. I'll be checking out the May news very carefully, and hoping for one with S-Vid and EPG features. I think the tuner is just fine, and I do have an adjacent channel.

I just caught this statement from the maxmedia-usa site:
This statement is in response to the reason why Maxmedia has delayed their Converter box to the market. There is a big portion of the Converter boxes that are sold that are being returned for a very serious reason. The issue resides in the channel stability and number of channels received. This applies to many brands currently on the market. Maxmedia’s response to this problem was to redesign our converter box to provide a much higher standard than what is available on the market currently.
Maxmedia is strictly a NTIA approved manufacturer and supplier of converter boxes. We are not a retailer or e-tailer. Can anyone confirm whether "Maxmedia", as a manufacturer, is truly independent of the Convert My TV retailing business?

Can anyone confirm whether "Maxmedia", as a manufacturer, is truly independent of the Convert My TV retailing business?

Nothing would surprise me anymore from these two ? company's

TalkingRat,

My Zenith is also from February with a 337,xxx serial number. I guess some manufacturers are serious about delivering their product to consumers.

Other companies, perhaps those located in somebody's garage, may never have a product that finds it's way into the marketplace.

Wow...I am never surprised at conspiracy theories. Especially when it comes to the government. They are always such an easy target. Similar to Mother in Laws and School Lunches. There is a stigma of what they should be.

I am really at a loss. I have pretty much decided not to take part in this program at all. It would seem that the NTIA is not going to removed the expiration dates so really what your seeing is probably just a ...desperate attempt of trying to get coupons registered before the expiration date. Not good. But I think instead of strange conspirator theories we need to stop looking for the people in the Grassy-nole and start looking to American Capitalism and the Government. We need to start thinking instead of accusing and stop being so reactionary.

1. Its clear that Maxmedia has announced they have the box everyone wants.
2. Its clear they really have not shown anyone an actual box.
3. Its clear there are people (perhaps competitors) are posting derogatory remarks to try and sway us the buyer. (clever)
4. It is clear that Maxmedia and Convertmy.TV are being looked at as the same company when upon research it is clear they are 2 totally different companies. Most manufacturers don't usually market their own product unless they sell direct.
5. It is clear that NTIA has made no announcement to the validity of this claim and Convertmy.TV is back online.
6. It is clear that this was just mole hill made into a mountain to benefit our desire for conspiracy theories.

I am done with this program. It is clear also that noone is playing by the rules. I think we need to protect our minds from being polluted and wait for this program and the manufacturers to mature.

My Zenith is also from February with a 337,xxx serial number. I guess some manufacturers are serious about delivering their product to consumers... Some online retail merchants also understand what the phrase "delivery of product to the buyer" actually means.

I am done with this program. It is clear also that no one is playing by the rules. Suit yourself. Circuit City, Best Buy, Radio Shack and Wal*Mart ARE following the redemption rules for the $40 coupons. I have absolutely no direct or indirect interest in those companies, and am not employed in the consumer electronics or broadcasting industries.

Wow...I am never surprised at conspiracy theories. Especially when it comes to the government. They are always such an easy target. Similar to Mother in Laws and School Lunches. There is a stigma of what they should be.

I am really at a loss. I have pretty much decided not to take part in this program at all. It would seem that the NTIA is not going to removed the expiration dates so really what your seeing is probably just a ...desperate attempt of trying to get coupons registered before the expiration date. Not good. But I think instead of strange conspirator theories we need to stop looking for the people in the Grassy-nole and start looking to American Capitalism and the Government. We need to start thinking instead of accusing and stop being so reactionary.

1. Its clear that Maxmedia has announced they have the box everyone wants.
2. Its clear they really have not shown anyone an actual box.
3. Its clear there are people (perhaps competitors) are posting derogatory remarks to try and sway us the buyer. (clever)
4. It is clear that Maxmedia and Convertmy.TV are being looked at as the same company when upon research it is clear they are 2 totally different companies. Most manufacturers don't usually market their own product unless they sell direct.
5. It is clear that NTIA has made no announcement to the validity of this claim and Convertmy.TV is back online.
6. It is clear that this was just mole hill made into a mountain to benefit our desire for conspiracy theories.

I am done with this program. It is clear also that noone is playing by the rules. I think we need to protect our minds from being polluted and wait for this program and the manufacturers to mature.

Well said!!!!!!

Wow...I am never surprised at conspiracy theories. Especially when it comes to the government. They are always such an easy target. Similar to Mother in Laws and School Lunches. There is a stigma of what they should be.

I am really at a loss. I have pretty much decided not to take part in this program at all. It would seem that the NTIA is not going to removed the expiration dates so really what your seeing is probably just a ...desperate attempt of trying to get coupons registered before the expiration date. Not good. But I think instead of strange conspirator theories we need to stop looking for the people in the Grassy-nole and start looking to American Capitalism and the Government. We need to start thinking instead of accusing and stop being so reactionary.

1. Its clear that Maxmedia has announced they have the box everyone wants.
2. Its clear they really have not shown anyone an actual box.
3. Its clear there are people (perhaps competitors) are posting derogatory remarks to try and sway us the buyer. (clever)
4. It is clear that Maxmedia and Convertmy.TV are being looked at as the same company when upon research it is clear they are 2 totally different companies. Most manufacturers don't usually market their own product unless they sell direct.
5. It is clear that NTIA has made no announcement to the validity of this claim and Convertmy.TV is back online.
6. It is clear that this was just mole hill made into a mountain to benefit our desire for conspiracy theories.

I am done with this program. It is clear also that noone is playing by the rules. I think we need to protect our minds from being polluted and wait for this program and the manufacturers to mature.

Mr. David Tang,

This statement just pisses me off to no end:
3. Its clear there are people (perhaps competitors) are posting derogatory remarks to try and sway us the buyer. (clever)

You work for Maxmedia and you agree with what Convertmy.tv has done. You blame our complaints on us being competitors.

HOW DARE YOU! try to distract the consumer from the facts.

1) Its clear, You were never in production when you let Convertmy.tv cash in our coupons and charge our credit cards,

2) Its clear, what was done to us was immoral if not illegal

3) Its clear, that instead of posting on a message board you should be at the factory getting the product we were charged for.

4) Its clear, that you blame everyone but your company for what has happened. If you hired Convertmy.tv then you control how they sell your product. You should fire them. You should go the extra mile and make this right with people like me who paid you for something we never got.

4. It is clear that Maxmedia and Convertmy.TV are being looked at as the same company when upon research it is clear they are 2 totally different companies. Most manufacturers don't usually market their own product unless they sell direct.

If anyone here is a MOLE it is you Sir. You discuse yourself as a customer. I personally am insulted by your words and non-action.

You should not be on a message board playing with people. You should be in Asia getting our product NOW.

If any of you guys call me. You will get an earful. I am still not done with the NTIA. I still believe what was done was illegal.

I trusted you to get me a box. I doubt it will be the best on the market since I been lied to by people who work for you and Convertmy.tv

I used to believe in your company. I used to believe in your product. I do not anymore.

Until I get my $40 coupon back so I can go elsewhere and use it. You are stuck with my order and opinion of what is going on.

A new MM box (that I paid for) OR my Coupon back. That is what I want

Who else feels the same?

Mr. David Tang,

This statement just pisses me off to no end:
3. Its clear there are people (perhaps competitors) are posting derogatory remarks to try and sway us the buyer. (clever)

You work for Maxmedia and you agree with what Convertmy.tv has done. You blame our complaints on us being competitors.

HOW DARE YOU! try to distract the consumer from the facts.

1) Its clear, You were never in production when you let Convertmy.tv cash in our coupons and charge our credit cards,

2) Its clear, what was done to us was immoral if not illegal

3) Its clear, that instead of posting on a message board you should be at the factory getting the product we were charged for.

4) Its clear, that you blame everyone but your company for what has happened. If you hired Convertmy.tv then you control how they sell your product. You should fire them. You should go the extra mile and make this right with people like me who paid you for something we never got.

4. It is clear that Maxmedia and Convertmy.TV are being looked at as the same company when upon research it is clear they are 2 totally different companies. Most manufacturers don't usually market their own product unless they sell direct.

If anyone here is a MOLE it is you Sir. You discuses yourself as a customer. I personally am insulted by your words and non-action.

You should not be on a message board playing with people. You should be in Asia getting our product NOW.

If any of you guys call me. You will get an earful. I am still not done with the NTIA. I still believe what was done was illegal.

I trusted you to get me a box. I doubt it will be the best on the market since I been lied to by people who work for you and Convertmy.tv

I used to believe in your company. I used to believe in your product. I do not anymore.

Until I get my $40 coupon back so I can go elsewhere and use it. You are stuck with my order and opinion of what is going on.

A new MM box (that I paid for) OR my Coupon back. That is what I want

Who else feels the same?

DITTO ON ALL COUNTS!!!! It's beyond comprehension...an obvious shill for MaxMedia pointing fingers at others.

I was going to keep my mouth shut about the posting you're referring to...but no matter. You said everything I was thinking, and MORE.

I have a second coupon coming in a few weeks. I'll spend it locally on a second Zenith converter, audio issue and all, before I ever take a chance on the MaxMedia, based upon everything that has transpired.

DITTO ON ALL COUNTS!!!! It's beyond comprehension...an obvious shill for MaxMedia pointing fingers at others.

I was going to keep my mouth shut about the posting you're referring to...but no matter. You said everything I was thinking, and MORE.

I have a second coupon coming in a few weeks. I'll spend it locally on a second Zenith converter, audio issue and all, before I ever take a chance on the MaxMedia, based upon everything that has transpired.

I was PMed with the identity of OrangeTANG as really being Mr. David Tang. I trust the PM poster much more then I believe anything Orangetang Says. Anyone notice Orangetangs post history? Just a few posts on this one thread. No other posts anywhere on this forum. Sure he is not a company man

Instead of worrying about what our posts do for business. Worry about what their own actions are doing to there business. Get me my box! Or give me back my coupon. Says it all

I am looking for passthru. So The new DS coming next week. Might be the one for me. The DS got similar ratings as Zenith. OR the NEw RCA coming.

Mr. David Tang,

This statement just pisses me off to no end:
3. Its clear there are people (perhaps competitors) are posting derogatory remarks to try and sway us the buyer. (clever)

You work for Maxmedia and you agree with what Convertmy.tv has done. You blame our complaints on us being competitors.

HOW DARE YOU! try to distract the consumer from the facts.

1) Its clear, You were never in production when you let Convertmy.tv cash in our coupons and charge our credit cards,

2) Its clear, what was done to us was immoral if not illegal

3) Its clear, that instead of posting on a message board you should be at the factory getting the product we were charged for.

4) Its clear, that you blame everyone but your company for what has happened. If you hired Convertmy.tv then you control how they sell your product. You should fire them. You should go the extra mile and make this right with people like me who paid you for something we never got.

4. It is clear that Maxmedia and Convertmy.TV are being looked at as the same company when upon research it is clear they are 2 totally different companies. Most manufacturers don't usually market their own product unless they sell direct.

If anyone here is a MOLE it is you Sir. You discuse yourself as a customer. I personally am insulted by your words and non-action.

You should not be on a message board playing with people. You should be in Asia getting our product NOW.

If any of you guys call me. You will get an earful. I am still not done with the NTIA. I still believe what was done was illegal.

I trusted you to get me a box. I doubt it will be the best on the market since I been lied to by people who work for you and Convertmy.tv

I used to believe in your company. I used to believe in your product. I do not anymore.

Until I get my $40 coupon back so I can go elsewhere and use it. You are stuck with my order and opinion of what is going on.

A new MM box (that I paid for) OR my Coupon back. That is what I want

Who else feels the same?

BRAVO!

I was PMed with the identity of OrangeTANG as really being Mr. David Tang. I trust the PM poster much more then I believe anything Orangetang Says. Anyone notice Orangetangs post history? Just a few posts on this one thread. No other posts anywhere on this forum. Sure he is not a company man

Instead of worrying about what our posts do for business. Worry about what their own actions are doing to there business. Get me my box! Or give me back my coupon. Says it all

I am looking for passthru. So The new DS coming next week. Might be the one for me. The DS got similar ratings as Zenith. OR the NEw RCA coming.

Orangetang...David Tang. I've wondered about this for several weeks now...and yes, I've only seen postings from Mr. Tang in this one thread alone...and, each time, MaxMedia/ConvertMyTV's shortcomings are glossed over. The propaganda isn't working, so what to do? Take it to the next level--start accusing unhappy posters of working for competing companies.

I wanted the MaxMedia converter, for the S-Video output alone, but no longer.

MaxMedia/convertmy.tv.com--you caused this. Pointing fingers at others won't change a thing. If you want to truly generate some goodwill, start by crediting back $40 to the customers whose coupons you've redeemed. Treat folks fairly and you'll make some sales and generate some positive comments--how hard is that to understand?

Orangetang...David Tang. I've wondered about this for several weeks now...and yes, I've only seen postings from Mr. Tang in this one thread alone...and, each time, MaxMedia/ConvertMyTV's shortcomings are glossed over. The propaganda isn't working, so what to do? Take it to the next level--start accusing unhappy posters of working for competing companies.

I wanted the MaxMedia converter, for the S-Video output alone, but no longer.

MaxMedia/convertmy.tv.com--you caused this. Pointing fingers at others won't change a thing. If you want to truly generate some goodwill, start by crediting back $40 to the customers whose coupons you've redeemed. Treat folks fairly and you'll make some sales and generate some positive comments--how hard is that to understand?
Very well Said.

They can start the goodwill with the following.

1) Offer an Apology to all of us who got our Coupons taken

2) Offer a FULL refund

3) Offer a chance to get the box in JUNE after the coupons expire for only $20 (there cost must be about $20 including shipping) Just incase these turn out to be the best box on planet

Do something generous instead of pointing fingers at a few of us.

4) Give weekly updates on the box.

5) Pictures of the new box and remote and EPG. (To PROVE THIS IS REAL)

My name is not David Tang. Even though I happen to have the similar nickname. I just liked Tang. I like Ovaltine also but I never can spell it or its too long. So I got that nickname. Its pure coincidence. I was just a consumer looking forward to the maxmedia box because of its features and found this forum. who has given up on all accounts.. the program..convertmy.tv and the coupon program and yes even on maxmedia and very closely on this forum as well. Pure foolishness. i was just trying to bring a little light to this situation. I think you all need to grow up. I have not seen things like this since High School. Either get your money back or don't i was just saying I am gonna wait till these people get things together. It is obvious things are not ready.

All these boxes have problems. this forum has become plainly useless and this forum sure is not very constructive in finding answers anymore. Its more like the Enquirer. All of this info is false I contacted the NTIA and all this information is false.

To clarify what I meant by playing by the rules is that you never know whats really going on. yes Walmart and Best buy are carrying the boxes but until these existing problems are fixed you wont see many more come to the self unless they are new boxes or models. If anyone buys them. They are foolish. If you watch the stores it not like people are lining up to get them either. I think it is safe to wait. NTIA will be forced to remove the expiration on the coupon if you do not use them.. this will give us the consumer the upper hand to get a box that has what we want for the price we want.

Hey reminds me off an old saying.. THE BEST THING COMES TO THOSE WHO WAIT.

If noone uses the coupon. NTIA will be forced to renew new coupons or to eliminate the expiration dates. So instead of spending all this energy with what we think or don't think. about manyufacturers and websites. Perhaps a wiser use of our time here would be to get the NTIA to understand that we want better boxes, with more features and we are not going to accept second rate products. We will work on boycotting the use of the coupons all together so we will have the opportunity to get a box no matter what brand worth having. That will last us the length of our super strong Analog sets :)

So wise intelligent people of the AVS forums. Lets start a Group on Boycotting Coupons of enough of us can do it perhaps the NTIA will eliminate the expiration date and allow us the opportunity to get a box worth having instead of forcing us to buy infereor boxes on a time period that suits them as opposed to us that are being forced to make the change over because of the billions of dollars being made selling the analog spectrum. Us the consumer has been put in this place governed by the NTIA and Manufacters that cannot release a box with the features they specify obviously need more time or a new brain. Either way.. Look I think this immaturity is catching in these forums. We need to look at the real problem. Our focus is getting a good box. Eliminating the coupon expiration to give us the consumer the ability to purchase 2nd or 3rd Gereration Boxes. Think about people like me who got their coupons first. I can easily say that Getting a coupon earliy is not a good thing. I am reading all kinds of problems from boxes become DOA in a short amount of weeks. This includes boxes like the Zenith, Digital Stream and Magnavox. There is also issue where I have read about Closed captioning boxes appearing and not going away. Issues where channel recpetion is bad in hilly areas.
People who say they have a nice box will probably kick themselves in the rear end when they realize that in the 2nd Generation and perhaps even 3rd Generation Boxes more features, more problems fixed, less issues, better OSD and longer lasting with more reliability. All this more prideful individuals who tout now they found a box will be sheepishly returning back to their corners as they spent far to much time on a decoy other than the REAL PROBLEM. This digital converter market is the first of its Kind in the US. There are bound to be issues and like with most products that you buy that are firsts.. IE...Microsoft Windows, IPODS, etc first generation of new products usually are inferior to the 2nd or 3rd generation products.

All I am saying as I am waiting. I see way too many problems and have read way too many articles about these converter boxes and clearly things are not right and where things seem to be. I am finding out they are not. Again and I hate to be repetitive. BUt I believe the best things to come to those who wait in this case and if we all do. We actually might change congress to make this decision before we have to watch a pig fly across the room .. OINK!

All of this info is false I contacted the NTIA and all this information is false.
What info are you referring to as false?
Please be more detailed so we can correct this false info
Can you post your reply from the NTIA


3. Its clear there are people (perhaps competitors) are posting derogatory remarks to try and sway us the buyer. (clever)
What competitors and derogatory remarks are you referring to?


4. It is clear that Maxmedia and Convertmy.TV are being looked at as the same company when upon research it is clear they are 2 totally different companies. Most manufacturers don't usually market their own product unless they sell direct.
Most of us don't see the clear separation of the two.
Can you please support this so we can stop the confusion.
Didn't David Buzzelli set up the domain for ConvertMy.TV and works for Memsen?
Isn't Memsen the parent company of MaxMedia and ConvertMy.TV?


5. It is clear that NTIA has made no announcement to the validity of this claim and Convertmy.TV is back online.
The home page looks like it is Coming Soon
http://www.convertmy.tv/logo_splash.gif
However, going to http://www.convertmy.tv/buy/ shows the site is still selling the Sansonic.

Sorry no email. Or quotes. I called and you can all do the same Maxmeda and Convertmy.TV (or email) are not affiliated except that it would seem..according to ntia that convertmy.tv is a customer.

Hmm I saw them online earlier today perhaps they are makin changes or announcments

Sorry no email. Or quotes. I called and you can all do the same Maxmeda and Convertmy.TV (or email) are not affiliated except that it would seem..according to ntia that convertmy.tv is a customer.What phone number did you call?
Who is the number for MaxMedia-USA or ConvertMy.TV?

why would you think not using the coupons would make them change the expiration date. does not using the coupon in stores make them lower the price, i think not. if the money doesn't get used it will belong to the government and they will use it, your logic is crazy. what i would like to know if the maxmedia box was fine in December as their press release stated why four months later it isn't. if you read the thread from the beginning we were all signing the praises for this box eagerly awaiting the day they took orders which was delayed several times like the maxmedia box itself. not one box thread is reporting that they don't receive the digital stations it's little annoying problems and missing features that ever one is finding but they all seam happy with the boxes they have.

i think it's getting to hot in the kitchen and they are cut and run now.

this reminds me of the episode of everybody loves Raymond when Robert was picket to be a model. made a nice looking office, got his money and then disappeared.

All these boxes have problems. this forum has become plainly useless and this forum sure is not very constructive in finding answers anymore. Its more like the Enquirer. All of this info is false I contacted the NTIA and all this information is false.

What information are we talking about? Can you quote sources and specifics? Otherwise the above is a useless statement.

As far as finding out answers, what answers can be found, other than the experiences of others? No one knows a thing about the MaxMedia box at this point, so what's to discuss about the box itself? The photo is gone at the MaxMedia site, "new box coming soon" is all you see, and NO ONE responds to queries at their own forums. And, as someone else pointed out, go to the homepage of convertmy.tv.com, and all you see is "Coming Soon." ???????

And this is all supposed to make us anxious as to what they will do next? I guess it makes me anxious, in a way, but not in a positive fashion.

I can easily say that Getting a coupon earliy is not a good thing. I am reading all kinds of problems from boxes become DOA in a short amount of weeks. This includes boxes like the Zenith, Digital Stream and Magnavox. There is also issue where I have read about Closed captioning boxes appearing and not going away. Issues where channel recpetion is bad in hilly areas.
People who say they have a nice box will probably kick themselves in the rear end when they realize that in the 2nd Generation and perhaps even 3rd Generation Boxes more features, more problems fixed, less issues, better OSD and longer lasting with more reliability.

What is so special about the MaxMedia that will make it any different? When it comes out it will still be a first generation product, as far as I'm concerned and as such will be subject to the same potential flaws. This is the "early adopter" syndrome that I normally perfer to avoid. Our govenment made it difficult to avoid this time, with coupons that expire within 90 days of the issuance date. I applied early on purpose, since I had no idea how quickly their supply of coupons would be exhausted.

Thank goodness I only applied for one back in January. The second was applied for in March and isn't scheduled for shipment until late April. I intend to hang onto that one for as long as possible, in the hopes that some second generation products will hit the shelves during that time.

coupon expiration

I guess I feel different about the 90 day limit on the coupon. I believe that it was/is a good idea. There is a limited amount of money allocated to this program and when it's gone, a second round of funding (with limitations) kicks in. When the 2nd round is gone, its all gone. There needed to be a way to keep funds from being tied up in the system and never being used, thus giving the impression that all the funds were depleted when they weren't or never would be. Don't think for a minute that "have the peoply cancel their coupon and free up the money" would ever work.

However: the sytem should be changed so that we could apply for an extension, but only extend a coupon 1 time (after all, we can apply for an extension on filing our taxes). This way people who just get a coupon and never use it, won't screw things up for those really needing one.

THE BEST THING COMES TO THOSE WHO WAIT

Don't be in such a rush to buy something. Sit back and relax. Wait and see what happens. Wake up people. It's not the end of the world. Its only a converter box.Relax. Get a life.----------This site has become a bitching site.----Get back to the information on the converter box.

THE BEST THING COMES TO THOSE WHO WAIT

Don't be in such a rush to buy something. Sit back and relax. Wait and see what happens. Wake up people. It's not the end of the world. Its only a converter box.Relax. Get a life.----------This site has become a bitching site.----Get back to the information on the converter box.

What information on the converter box?

This thread is not about some posters Crusade against 90 day limit. It is about Maxmedia and there sub company Convertmy.tv

These games trying to divert attention to what Convertmy.tv (memsen) did. Need to end

The reason the company has a bad rap in NOT the 90 day limit. It is there own actions.

Every piece of information I posted was direct from Ntia. I documented who I spoke to. I plan to call again.

I was told by an insider that OrangeTang is in fact David Tang. Well someone is lying either the person who told me or OrangeTang.

This thread is about Maxmedia and what they are doing to customers. We need to address that and not fight Congress

I suggest Mr tang make a new thread about the 90 day limit

Does the MaxMedia converter box actually exist?

Are the MaxMedia photos of an actual functional converter box or a fake mock-up for advertising?

Does anyone actually have a MaxMedia converter box?

MaxMedia needs to provide answers to these questions.

Does the MaxMedia converter box actually exist?

Are the MaxMedia photos of an actual functional converter box or a fake mock-up for advertising?

Does anyone actually have a MaxMedia converter box?

MaxMedia needs to provide answers to these questions.

This is all their main website shows now. it's as if they've restarted, from the ground up:

http://maxmedia-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=43

Does the MaxMedia converter box actually exist?

Are the MaxMedia photos of an actual functional converter box or a fake mock-up for advertising?

Does anyone actually have a MaxMedia converter box?

MaxMedia needs to provide answers to these questions.

they must have had one once to get the government to sign off on it i would think. try the buy now tab

This is all their main website shows now. it's as if they've restarted, from the ground up:

http://maxmedia-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=43

They Never started. As I said I am a importer I know how factory's work.

You can not stop in the middle of production to scrap a whole box.

Fact is that they never started to make the old box. (in my opinion)

They cashed in the coupons and CC's knowing that they didn't have a box.

My guess is this.

1) They had no credit with the factory, so they had to either do a letter of credit or prepay the first shipment. Thus this is why the coupons were cashed in.

You can not just get off a plane and make a deal with a factory. It is a process. A trust. And the way they been acting towards customers tells me that the factories do not trust them.

I bet they had to pre-pay. That is my hunch and guess

Get back to the information on the converter box.This topic is about a specific converter box. If you aren't interested in this discussion, don't participate.

About MaxMedia
Maxmedia is a state of the art solution designer and provider in HD media and HD 1080 Broadcasting. Maxmedia intergrates, manufactures and markets innovative products for the just in time world market needs. Maxmedia is comprised of a team of industry experts with provesn sucess history to execute projects with professionalism, and quaility in design, manufacturing and marketing. Maxmedia products, research and sales covers both the US and China Markets.

Maxmedia is lead by a research and development team as well as a sales and marketing team all with IT and consumer product experience.

MaxMedia Specializes in Bringing Digital Technology products to the Large OEM Marketplace. Maxmedia has strategically setup every product to be OEM friendly allowing easy private labeling and multiple logistics locations bringing customers the ultimate in Logostal Support and product availability.

lexus2108, what did you import? YOu weren't the guy who supplies the $1 stores :-).

you must speak asian, are you

Anyone remember Diamond King?
I thought this unit look familiar, the specs seam to be the same as well. Check out the "( New ) ATSC DTV Receiver - 480i" product. The case is different but everything else is in the same place.

http://www.dk-tvtech.com/yellowpage/product_cg1.html#

I wonder if DK Video Technology Corp isn't the hardware manufacture?

This has also make me think
After discussions with David Buzelli from Convert My TV here is what he sent me.

Is DK Video Technology Corp producing the unit or are they supplying the board to another company that does the final assembly?

... they seem to know DK as Diamond King although I could not find reference to that name. In any event, this is beyond the relationship between the two firms and is of no concern of ours . We do not own Maxmedia ... they are our supplier. They mentioned that DK is NOT manufacturing the Maxmedia label version although they may use some outside contract manufacturers at any point based on demand, and stated that this is customary practice.

Well where are these outside contract manufactures?
Do they have the need based on demand?
So can Diamond King OEM the MMDTVB02 too?

What are the roles James B and David Buzzelli play in distribution of the MMDTVB03

James and David are employees of Maxmedia and Convert My TV, respectively. James was responsible for the engineering design of the MMDTVB03 and David handles coordinating the online sales of the MMDTVB03 as well as sourcing other models that may be particularly well made and reasonably priced.

Memsen Mobile Digital Corporation is a Certified Retailer in the TV Converter Box Coupon Program is a C-Corp. and Convert My TV is a wholly owned subsidiary of Memsen.

Maxmedia is certified manufacturer as part of the program and the MMDTVB03 is their box.
OrangeTang you have said the following:
4. It is clear that Maxmedia and Convertmy.TV are being looked at as the same company when upon research it is clear they are 2 totally different companies. Most manufacturers don't usually market their own product

Does the above still convince you that they are totally different?

Again please share how you have this clear understanding of them being totally different.

Is David Buzzelli like SuperMan and Clark Kent - also totally different because of those glasses concealing his identity.

lexus2108, what did you import? YOu weren't the guy who supplies the $1 stores :-)

No it is more expensive then a $60 box. Point is I can bring incite to claims about a box being made by June. With over 10 years experience I can tell you I doubt The June delivery date.

Factory's have many customers in-line to get product. You can not just turn off the belt to insert the MM box. It does not work that way. Things are on a schedule.

come on spill it, what you import? my guess you are retired from the business?

what if the first box was never going to be made it was just bait and they planned the second box a much watered down version all along.

i would also guess you imported something in the electronic business. So what would one of these things cost them to make?

well this has started to reach out beyond this thread to other web sites. maxmedia could bring a box to market that spit gold coins in june and i don't think it would save them now. Might as well throw in the towel they are finished.

now if you go over to the echostar tr-40 thread it has some news that may spell the death of that box also.

No not the electronic business. I freely admit that. I have over 15 trips to Hong Kong and 5 to China. Not including rest of Asia. All for factory visits not vacation. I think I am more then certified in my opinion.

We need to stay on subject of Maxmedia.

MM needs some good will at this point. A weekly update is a start and pictures

lexus2108, what did you import? YOu weren't the guy who supplies the $1 stores :-).

you must speak asian, are you

Lexus has the paperclip antenna. :)

I've been following this forum and finally decided to make the plunge and sign-up for the Max Media converter. My coupons were due to expire in a month and this box appeared to be the best one out there. My checking account showed this payment as pending and the next day showed no payment. Today I went to the convertmy.tv site and found it to be under construction. Maxmedia's web site said that because of difficulties found with most other converter boxes that they were going to have a new model available. At first I felt this would be ok and that they didn't want to bring a box to the market that had problems. However, there is no intimation of when it will be available or that it is ntia approved. This leaves me in a difficult position with a purchase order for a converter box that hopefully will be replaced with a new ntia substitute and no date for shipment or transaction before my coupon expires. Anyone have any ideas on this situation?

are you crazy, you been reading this all along and ordered boxes now. When did you make your order since they stopped taken them couple of weeks ago. I sure hope your coupons aren't used and you can buy another box. I'm going for the Channel Master Cm-7000 with the extended EPG and S-Video jacks. I would not buy another one of these boxes even if it came in a solid gold wrapper.

My coupons were due to expire in a month and this box appeared to be the best one out there... IT was never out to begin with, just on paper. all our coupons are going to expire next month but that is not the reason many of our orders are staying, it because we can't get our coupons back. Also if they ever come out with a box we don't know what it is going to be. UGH !!

I've been following this forum and finally decided to make the plunge and sign-up for the Max Media converter. My coupons were due to expire in a month and this box appeared to be the best one out there. My checking account showed this payment as pending and the next day showed no payment. Today I went to the convertmy.tv site and found it to be under construction. Maxmedia's web site said that because of difficulties found with most other converter boxes that they were going to have a new model available. At first I felt this would be ok and that they didn't want to bring a box to the market that had problems. However, there is no intimation of when it will be available or that it is ntia approved. This leaves me in a difficult position with a purchase order for a converter box that hopefully will be replaced with a new ntia substitute and no date for shipment or transaction before my coupon expires. Anyone have any ideas on this situation?

Have you tried this address?

support@maxmedia-usa.com

Best of luck, I hope someone responds. The convertmy.tv site is still there, it just can't be accessed from the home page. Why they've chosen to disable the home page I don't understand, since they still appear to be taking orders for the Sansonic converter:

http://www.convertmy.tv/productInformation.html

...........This leaves me in a difficult position with a purchase order for a converter box that hopefully will be replaced with a new ntia substitute and no date for shipment or transaction before my coupon expires. Anyone have any ideas on this situation?

You needn't worry about the expiration date as your coupon has already been redeemed. You either be patient with these jokers at cmtv and hope they send you something, whatever it may be or cancel your order and kiss the coupon goodbye.

I've been following this forum and finally decided to make the plunge and sign-up for the Max Media converter. My coupons were due to expire in a month and this box appeared to be the best one out there. My checking account showed this payment as pending and the next day showed no payment. Today I went to the convertmy.tv site and found it to be under construction. Maxmedia's web site said that because of difficulties found with most other converter boxes that they were going to have a new model available. At first I felt this would be ok and that they didn't want to bring a box to the market that had problems. However, there is no intimation of when it will be available or that it is ntia approved. This leaves me in a difficult position with a purchase order for a converter box that hopefully will be replaced with a new ntia substitute and no date for shipment or transaction before my coupon expires. Anyone have any ideas on this situation?


Welcome aboard.

I also ordered the Maxmedia MMDTVB03 in late March, probably about the same time it was taken off the market. My last contact with support@convertmy.tv stated that the "upgraded" model MMDTVB02 (the "downward" progression is a mystery to me) would be available as early as June. Since my coupon was redeemed, I guess I'm "locked" into the order as you are. As far as the coupon expiration is concerned, check out the following update from Hear Us Now:
http://www.hearusnow.org/homepage/00/tvradio/consumersunioncallsonntiacongresstoaddressexpirationofdtvcon vertercoupons/

we all know how fast them dips in Washington react, we are cooked.

You may find relief in the NTIA change of rules. They used to say coupons were not transferable. Look what they are saying now (emphasis mine):

Question #215: Updated 4/8/08

Can I transfer the coupon to someone else?

It is illegal to sell coupons, but giving a coupon for free to a
family member, friend, or neighbor would not be prohibited.


The easiest way out of your locked up coupon would be to go next door to a dedicated cable/dish neighbor, and arrange for a replacement coupon.

I've been following this forum and finally decided to make the plunge and sign-up for the Max Media converter. My coupons were due to expire in a month and this box appeared to be the best one out there. My checking account showed this payment as pending and the next day showed no payment. Today I went to the convertmy.tv site and found it to be under construction. Maxmedia's web site said that because of difficulties found with most other converter boxes that they were going to have a new model available. At first I felt this would be ok and that they didn't want to bring a box to the market that had problems. However, there is no intimation of when it will be available or that it is ntia approved. This leaves me in a difficult position with a purchase order for a converter box that hopefully will be replaced with a new ntia substitute and no date for shipment or transaction before my coupon expires. Anyone have any ideas on this situation?

No insult intended,but what were you thinking? With all the complaints that we all posted not being told when we purchased the box. You were awarded with all the information that each of us spent hours on and you still decide to order it then complain that MM does not have a box and they making a switch?

This make no sense to me. If I knew then what I know now i would of never ordered the box.

What Order number were you?

Have you tried this address?

support@maxmedia-usa.com

Best of luck, I hope someone responds. The convertmy.tv site is still there, it just can't be accessed from the home page. Why they've chosen to disable the home page I don't understand, since they still appear to be taking orders for the Sansonic converter:

http://www.convertmy.tv/productInformation.html

Simple take all contact info off the website so new people cant e-mail or call.

From Antaltmike on a different thread

I'm watching CSpan this morning, and a senator asked why the FCC did not require pass-through as a feature in the eligible boxes, and Meridith Attwell Baker, acting assistant Commerce Secretary for Communications & Information said it was because they determined that there would be a signal loss of 3dB in boxes with that feature. Sad...

Hi again all,

I was just over to the convertmy.tv site and they have a link to email "customer support"..... on the new page, is that link new as it seems people were saying all the contact infomation was gone...... as of a few seconds ago that does not seem to be the case.

MaxMedia also has a forum, not that much gets answered there but I was thinking about it as being a good place to press for answers to life's persistent issues.

For people like myself who never new this forum existed or about all the issues happening it would have been a eye opener to see some of this stuff addressed on their forum.... or have people done that only to have it vanish???

I've also done some more reading on the testing program for boxes. It is quite clear that the boxes are to production level. Even to the point of having the firmware all done. Two boxes are then provided for testing, so if people are really doing this (rules are rules, well sometimes anyway) then all the approved boxes on the list should have been ready to go into volume production and that followed by shipping. However with the number of approved boxes far exceeding what is actually on the market worries me.

Can all of these production boxes be delayed by part shortages, factory time, other approval times??? Or could it be that the boxes were not production level but just prototypes and have not been able to get to production because of bugs... and if so shouldn't they all have to go back for testing again???

Again it comes back to the coupon program and when the "better boxes" will arrive. Note the "better boxes" is what ever you define that to be... maybe some of you are happy with what you can buy, I'm just not one of you.

From Antaltmike on a different thread

I'm watching CSpan this morning, and a senator asked why the FCC did not require pass-through as a feature in the eligible boxes, and Meridith Attwell Baker, acting assistant Commerce Secretary for Communications & Information said it was because they determined that there would be a signal loss of 3dB in boxes with that feature. Sad...


Good thing he wasn't around when they came up with VCR's...

It makes me wonder whether they actually tested product, or made assumptions based on very old data. Some solid state switches lose one tenth that in signal. Even my 35 year old external RadioShack switches did better than 3dB.

Simple take all contact info off the website so new people cant e-mail or call.

On the home page, underneath "Convert My TV Coming Soon" is a link called "customer service." With most browsers, clicking on that link will pull up a blank email already addressed to support@convertmy.tv. I checked immediately before posting this and it was still there.

I think they're trying to avoid digging themselves into a bigger hole than they're already in.

I don't understand that either. Yes splitters loose >3db but a passthru device(like a DVDR or VCR) usually lost <1db. That's the whole reason I would want passthru, to feed other devices RF in down the line. If not then I'll have to go the amplified splitter route.
Personally I could care less for any analog stations or a RF modulator, I just want a simple passthru that won't lose >3db.

I don't understand that either. Yes splitters loose >3db but a passthru device(like a DVDR or VCR) usually lost <1db. That's the whole reason I would want passthru, to feed other devices RF in down the line. If not then I'll have to go the amplified splitter route.
Personally I could care less for any analog stations or a RF modulator, I just want a simple passthru that won't lose >3db.

I wonder if that is why the Philco has to be on for passthru to work?

This is just a guess but perhaps the Philco has an amplfier to bring the signal output back up to the original input level.

Which is exactly how the Samsung 260 works.
Off attenuates the signal, on keeps it about the same as input.
If this is the case with the boxes with passthru I'll just go the route of amplified splitter. It will probably use less power than leaving the box on all the time.

I've been following this forum and finally decided to make the plunge and sign-up for the Max Media converter. My coupons were due to expire in a month and this box appeared to be the best one out there. My checking account showed this payment as pending and the next day showed no payment. Today I went to the convertmy.tv site and found it to be under construction. Maxmedia's web site said that because of difficulties found with most other converter boxes that they were going to have a new model available. At first I felt this would be ok and that they didn't want to bring a box to the market that had problems. However, there is no intimation of when it will be available or that it is ntia approved. This leaves me in a difficult position with a purchase order for a converter box that hopefully will be replaced with a new ntia substitute and no date for shipment or transaction before my coupon expires. Anyone have any ideas on this situation?

How did you manage this? When you go to convertmy.tv (http://convertmy.tv/) website you only get a link to customer service. And even if you managed to get to the page (http://www.convertmy.tv/buy/) to buy the box is only allows you to buy the Sansonic box not the MaxMedia box. And it has been this way for some time! Again, how did you accomplish this seemingly impossible feat! :confused:

Me thinks we found another Maxmedia spy

Me thinks I won't hold my breath on a cecb being offered under the maxmedia name. Looks like a scam, sounds like a scam, smells like a scam. If I'm wrong, start a thread under the correct model number.

my guess these people have already fled to a country with a none extradition treaty

corrected

Apparently there is a second MaxMedia model number, the MMDTVB02. Please be clear about which unit you are referring to.

my guess these people have already fleed to a country with a none expiracion treaty

I believe you mean non-extradition treaty. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct my correction:cool:

Apparently there is a second MaxMedia model number, the MMDTVB02. Please be clear about which unit you are referring to.

I don't think it matters, they both seam to work the same, NOT !

Since they can't send me the box they promised, or credit back the original government coupon, I'd be happy if they sent me a $40 prepaid Visa as equal replacement. Then I could spend it on a different CECB.

I think that's the least that they should do.



TEN years of working in retail taught me never, never, never cash a $40 card if you don't have a product you can't deliver. That's called STEALING, not a mistake, and the frakkers at Maxmedia should have known better.

Since they can't send me the box they promised, or credit back the original government coupon, I'd be happy if they sent me a $40 prepaid Visa as equal replacement. Then I could spend it on a different CECB.

I think that's the least that they should do.


TEN years of working in retail taught me never, never, never cash a $40 card if you don't have a product you can't deliver. That's called STEALING, not a mistake, and the frakkers at Maxmedia should have known better.

come on man, you know as will as i that isn't going to happen. No how, NO way !

Apparently there is a second MaxMedia model number, the MMDTVB02. Please be clear about which unit you are referring to.

that is why i started a second thread about it.

I looks like the DK model on someone's previous post is what the Maxmedia box is based on. All we can really do is determine if the Maxmedia box on the www.watchdigitaltv.com (Ohio Discount Antennas) site was actually tested by the the guy selling on that site. He said he tested several models and removed everything but the Zenith DTT 900. I someone could make a successful inquiry to this gentleman, we could determine if the model exists and whether it works well or at all.

that is why i started a second thread about it.That topic was not serious. Feel free to start another, useful, topic.

I am not sure whether this is allowed per forum policy or not, but here is the owner/founder of convertmy.tv. The result came in a simple google search of convertmy.tv. The person has made his profile public:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/jayrao
If this is against the forum policy, Mod: feel free to remove my post.

I am glad that, I didn't dip my my hand into this mess. But if Maxmedia delivers what they have promised so far, I would surely get one of their box. My 2nd coupon is scheduled to be mailed 26th Apr. Lets see who delivers first.. Maxmedia or Echostar?

THE BEST THING COMES TO THOSE WHO WAIT. Don't be in such a rush to buy something. Sit back and relax. Wait and see what happens. Those who wait, will not get NTIA coupons. They will have disappeared. To quote you: "Wake up!" I guess I feel different about the 90 day limit on the coupon. I believe that it was/is a good idea. ..... There needed to be a way to keep funds from being tied up in the system and never being used... You really believe that expired gov't cards will go back to the NTIA's cashbox? And be handed-out as new cards? Wow. Naive. The money will just "disappear" and sit idle until the Congresscritters find a new way to spend it (the president's inauguration perhaps). From Antaltmike on a different thread

I'm watching CSpan this morning, and a senator asked why the FCC did not require pass-through as a feature in the eligible boxes, and Meridith Attwell Baker, acting assistant Commerce Secretary for Communications & Information said it was because they determined that there would be a signal loss of 3dB in boxes with that feature. Sad... In other words, HALF the signal. (Even at 1dB, that's still 30% loss.) That's precisely what I did not want the "new" Zenith box with analog pass-thru. I want the older model where ALL the signal goes directly into the tuner, and thereby gives me the most channels possible.

I don't need the pass-thru. All my analog stations die on Feb 17. I'd rather has a "lossfree" box.

I am not sure whether this is allowed per forum policy or not, but here is the owner/founder of convertmy.tv. The result came in a simple google search of convertmy.tv. The person has made his profile public.... Thanks to the info on the LinkedIn profile, Convert My TV customers should be able to pursue their complaints directly to the CEO, as well as directing complaints to NTIA and the Better Business Bureau if appropriate.

For reference, see the NTIA Retailer FAQ (https://www.ntiadtv.gov/faq.cfm), Answer ID 326 on the topic "Can I redeem a coupon if I cannot immediately deliver a CECB to the consumer?", i.e this sentence from the second paragraph:

"It is not acceptable for the card to be redeemed if the timing of the shipment is unknown or if the retailer does not have a method of assuring the consumer that a CECB will be available at some known time in the future."

Topic title changed.

Please PM me if there is a change as to the availability of this unit.

Topic title changed.

Please PM me if there is a change as to the availability of this unit.
Will Do Ken:D

what happened to Mosquito, he hasn't been around for awhile? I been to your site and see you have more boxes but where are the videos and pictures? I want to see the Channel Master CM 7000 in action. Any update on the TR-40?

Sorry -- been very busy trying to secure inventory for months to come. Taxes took priority too.

We have the updated content for the other new boxes (other than the CM-7000) that have come in stock and just need to get it out to the site. We only received 1/3 of our order of CM-7000s, so I felt obligated to send out the preorders I had from that allotment instead of capturing pictures, etc. We should have another shipment of them soon and we'll get the collateral then.

We've been getting videos together of the menus, etc, as well and should have that content up by week's end.

No new news on the TR-40, except that we're definitely going to have it when it's available.

Channel Master CM-7000 D2A Digital to Analog Coupon Eligible Converter Box

http://www.summitsource.com/channel-master-cm7000-d2a-digital-to-analog-coupon-eligible-converter-box-cecb-atsc-high-definition-to-standard-definition-offair-hd-tv-signal-receiver-part-cm7000-p-6772.html

said they will have several 100 by the end of April.

Channel Master CM-7000 D2A Digital to Analog Coupon Eligible Converter Box

http://www.summitsource.com/channel-master-cm7000-d2a-digital-to-analog-coupon-eligible-converter-box-cecb-atsc-high-definition-to-standard-definition-offair-hd-tv-signal-receiver-part-cm7000-p-6772.html

said they will have several 100 by the end of April.
It doesn't have passthru?

i don't care anymore, besides i'm in NY it really doesn't matter

i don't care anymore, besides i'm in NY it really doesn't matter

Yea it does I counted like 5 LPs in your area

mosquito doesn't have a date on his site when they will be back in stock and my coupon expires may 23 also going to be away for awhile so just ordered this one. Oh yeah which stations?

Well there goes my 2 coupons, one sucked up by maxmedia i'll never see and the other for channel master CM 7000.

Yeah it may not have analog pass but it's said to have a really nice EPG, more than now/next and it has S-video out jacks.

Lets face it, TR-40 isn't going to be out in time

mosquito doesn't have a date on his site when they will be back in stock and my coupon expires may 23 also going to be away for awhile so just ordered this one. Oh yeah which stations?

Well there goes my 2 coupons, one sucked up by maxmedia i'll never see and the other for channel master CM 7000.

Yeah it may not have analog pass but it's the said to have a really nice EPG, more than now/next and it has S-video out jacks.

Lets face it, TR-40 isn't going to be out in time

I read the EPG on the DS is similar to the CM

I read the EPG on the DS is similar to the CM


but no S-video and it just looks better built. My guess this will sell for $40 after all the coupons have expired. I bet they raised the price on all the boxes by $40 figuring the coupons were free money and on one would care about the price that much.

but no S-video and it just looks better built.

I can understand, but for me I want passthru

I can understand, but for me I want pastry

i don't think you will get it by end of may when your coupon expire

All the stations i watch have digital up and running so those stations on LP ones i don't watch.

did you check out the echostar tr-40 thread, seams like they are starting to play maxmedias game

mandy's dad:
EchoStar TR-40 (new design) outside dimensions are:
H: 1.3” x W: 5.9” x D: 4.2” This is one of the smallest boxes so far!

dattier:
New design, and smaller? Another increase in their unfulfilled promises, and perhaps an excuse for another delay. Until we can actually buy it, its dimensions are 0x0x0, so yes, that's the smallest box imaginable.

Echostar (Dish Network) TR-40 Converter Box gets a new look
http://www.soundadviceblog.com/?p=855

I read the EPG on the DS is similar to the CMThe both offer more then a Now/Next and in that case are similar.
The Channel Master CM-7000 EPG
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=107792&stc=1&d=1208381974
The Digital Stream DTX-9900 EPG
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=107791&stc=1&d=1208381974

i like the channel master much better. don't know if its just the TV but digital streams looks like it was written by a first grader with a crayon.

Agree but I want passthru so I guess it is the philco for me

Well it looks like the Maxmedia MMDTVB03 and Echostar TR-40 have a lot in common, neither will ever see the retail shelves. The TR-40 has been redesigned and branded the DTVPal by both EchoStar and Sling Media. Well i guess my next coupons will go on this box if they ever show up.

The MAG CCB7707
According to the user manual (http://ezdigitaltv.com/support-files/mag_ccb7707_user_manual.pdf) looks like it has the same EPG as the Channel Master.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=107866&stc=1&d=1208445913

Curious, Did anyone complain to the NTIA on what Convertmy.tv did by cashing in the coupons?

Curious, Did anyone complain to the NTIA on what Convertmy.tv did by cashing in the coupons?

I have...still waiting for a response.

what is the MAG CCB7707 ? Is this the magnavox box that was over heating? You would figure some of these boxes would have the same look since not one of them and made by the name on them but a third party.

what is the MAG CCB7707?Another CECB, don't you keep checking the list of elegible boxes?
The list keeps growing and more PassThru's have been added
Here is more info on the MAG CCB7707 (http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/MAG_CCB7707.html)
The Graphical User Interface (GUI) looks identical to the Channel Master I think.

Another CECB, don't you keep checking the list of elegible boxes?
The list keeps growing and more PassThru's have been added
Here is more info on the MAG CCB7707 (http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/MAG_CCB7707.html)
The Graphical User Interface (GUI) looks identical to the Channel Master I think.
Sigh, Arrrr. From reading your post I thought the MAG CCB7707 had passthru. I went to owners manual and my adboe could not read it. 30 minutes later and 4 downloads I got it to work. Read the whole manual and saw no passthru. Went to NTIA list and this box does NOT have passthru. Too bad seems like nice box. Arrrrr waste of 1 hour:mad::mad::mad:

in case Maxmedia reads this thread.

How about a DAM update on what the box will look like and the remote. Or are you going ot leave us in the DARK after you take our money. Update on when/if this will come in? No one believes June. This is insulting

in case Maxmedia reads this thread.

How about a DAM update on what the box will look like and the remote. Or are you going ot leave us in the DARK after you take our money. Update on when/if this will come in? No one believes June. This is insulting

The blame rests more on convertmy.tv than maxmedia-usa. They certainly stiffed us on our coupons, and we had to literally chase after them to clear the charge from our CCs (at least they did acquiesce). Had I caught this forum ahead of time and saw the earlier postings, I would have avoided convertmy.tv like the plague. Their PR is PR (pretty repulsive).

in case Maxmedia reads this thread.

How about a DAM update on what the box will look like and the remote. Or are you going to leave us in the DARK after you take our money. Update on when/if this will come in? No one believes June. This is insulting In all likelihood, legal counsel have advised both MaxMedia (the manufacturer) and Convert My TV (the distributor) to avoid making any statements here.

While at face value MaxMedia and Convert My TV are "separate businesses", that doesn't automatically mean they are completely independent of each other. There are plenty of manufacturers which own and control separately-incorporated businesses operating operate "direct marketing" Internet e-tailers or factory-outlet stores. That MIGHT be the case here.

Both MaxMedia and Convert My TV have over-promised and under-delivered.

In all likelihood, legal counsel have advised both MaxMedia (the manufacturer) and Convert My TV (the distributor) to avoid making any statements here.

While at face value MaxMedia and Convert My TV are "separate businesses", that doesn't automatically mean they are completely independent of each other. There are plenty of manufacturers which own and control separately-incorporated businesses operating operate "direct marketing" Internet e-tailers or factory-outlet stores. That MIGHT be the case here.

Both MaxMedia and Convert My TV have over-promised and under-delivered.

I didn't ask them to UPDATE on here. They should update on their websites.

Maxmedia and Convertmytv are partners read their websites. MM approved convertmytv

Agree but I want passthru so I guess it is the philco for me

what philco? i been to mosquito's web store and don't see it. On the other hand someone wrote in the Echostar TR-40 thread that Echostar will honor expired coupons when their box finally comes to market. I would double check that with Echostar and if it's true then you might as well wait until there box come out.

what philco? i been to mosquito's web store and don't see it. On the other hand someone wrote in the Echostar TR-40 thread that Echostar will honor expired coupons when their box finally comes to market. I would double check that with Echostar and if it's true then you might as well wait until there box come out.
John does not carry it. Just about everyone else does

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008310


It has some faults though
Funny you started that thread and dont know the what philco is?

What is so good about Echostar?

THEY ALL DO. If you check with Echostar about taking expired coupons for their TVDPAL box, i would make sure there isn't some small print like "If you sign up for our service we will take your expired coupons" crap ! Make them put it in writing that no gimmicks.

I didn't ask them to UPDATE on here. They should update on their websites.

Maxmedia and Convertmytv are partners read their websites. MM approved convertmytv Points well taken. I personally am appalled at what's happened to those whose $40 NTIA coupons were prematurely redeemed.

Has NTIA investigated the complaints about premature $40 coupon redemption?

Got this from maxmedia yesterday..

To our customers who ordered a MaxMedia Converter Box:

We found out that our supplier, MaxMedia, detected chipset quality issues impacting channel reception of the MMDTVB03 Converter Box you recently ordered. These problems have caused MaxMedia to now use a different, higher quality chipset from another source. The impact of this is as follows:

- The new MaxMedia Converter Box will have the same look, functions, and features (S-Video, Analog Pass-Through, and Smart Antenna connection) as the original MMDTVB03. The only difference is the newer, higher quality chipset.

- This change will require MaxMedia to recertify this new converter box with the NTIA. As a result of the unexpected delay and change, we have temporarily closed our ConvertMy.TV website to new MaxMedia Converter Box orders until the product is expected to be available. We have been told we can expect the new converter MMDTVB02 ready to ship and available to consumers in June.

Personally, I am very disappointed and upset with this situation. However, I would rather have delivery issues now than product quality issues upon delivery to you.

So what does this mean to you? We can offer you three options:

1) Keep your current order as is and wait until June for it to be available for shipment.

2) Change your order to another product. We now offer a substitute, the Sansonic FT-300A, which is $5.00 cheaper than the MaxMedia box you ordered. It has excellent chipset and channel reception quality. The main difference between the MaxMedia and Sansonic boxes is that the Sansonic box does not have the S-Video or Smart Antenna connections nor does it allow analog pass-through.

3) Cancel your order all together. Note: Coupons previously redeemed at time of order will retain credit applicable towards any CECB we have available.

Selecting between 1 and 2 is going to be based completely on personal preference. If you have no need for S-Video, Analog Pass-through, or a Smart Antenna connection, then I would recommend that you change your order to the Sansonic box.

I want to sincerely apologize to you about this delay. We at ConvertMy.TV will work hard to satisfy you.

Thank you for your business and patience.

Regards,

Jay Rao

Chief Operating Officer

Convert My TV

www.ConvertMy.TV

jay@memsen.com

877-DTV-SITE

that is an old response going back to march, got it weeks ago

My ConvertMyTV order number is in the 40s, and I still haven't gotten that email from them. I wonder if they're only sending it out to people who contact them...(I haven't)

that is an old response going back to march, got it weeks ago

Good for you, I just got it yesterday as well.

Got this from maxmedia yesterday..

To our customers who ordered a MaxMedia Converter Box:

We found out that our supplier, MaxMedia, detected chipset quality issues impacting channel reception of the MMDTVB03 Converter Box you recently ordered. These problems have caused MaxMedia to now use a different, higher quality chipset from another source. The impact of this is as follows:

- The new MaxMedia Converter Box will have the same look, functions, and features (S-Video, Analog Pass-Through, and Smart Antenna connection) as the original MMDTVB03. The only difference is the newer, higher quality chipset.

- This change will require MaxMedia to recertify this new converter box with the NTIA. As a result of the unexpected delay and change, we have temporarily closed our ConvertMy.TV website to new MaxMedia Converter Box orders until the product is expected to be available. We have been told we can expect the new converter MMDTVB02 ready to ship and available to consumers in June.

Personally, I am very disappointed and upset with this situation. However, I would rather have delivery issues now than product quality issues upon delivery to you.

So what does this mean to you? We can offer you three options:

1) Keep your current order as is and wait until June for it to be available for shipment.

2) Change your order to another product. We now offer a substitute, the Sansonic FT-300A, which is $5.00 cheaper than the MaxMedia box you ordered. It has excellent chipset and channel reception quality. The main difference between the MaxMedia and Sansonic boxes is that the Sansonic box does not have the S-Video or Smart Antenna connections nor does it allow analog pass-through.

3) Cancel your order all together. Note: Coupons previously redeemed at time of order will retain credit applicable towards any CECB we have available.

Selecting between 1 and 2 is going to be based completely on personal preference. If you have no need for S-Video, Analog Pass-through, or a Smart Antenna connection, then I would recommend that you change your order to the Sansonic box.

I want to sincerely apologize to you about this delay. We at ConvertMy.TV will work hard to satisfy you.

Thank you for your business and patience.

Regards,

Jay Rao

Chief Operating Officer

Convert My TV

www.ConvertMy.TV

jay@memsen.com

877-DTV-SITE

It is like the old e-mail with some change around and some personal comments from him. I don't believe in June delivery.

In June, they will deliver the next E-mail with new excuses.

There may be product, there may be product in June, even. But nobody has said what tuner and chip changes are being made. As for pass through, convertmy.tv has said the -03 and -02 boxes have it, but that info did not appear on the maxmedia site as far as I can tell. Why doesn't MaxMedia state what's in the box, in terms of features and parts? If it isn't on MM, it's heresay. Convertmy.tv can make all kinds of claims, and then say oops, I misunderstood. Until MM posts the details, it's retailer assumptions. MM doesn't even identify the box by number anymore. A few site snippets:

MaxMedia DTA (Digital to Analog) ConverterBox Has it All.

With Maxmedia's Digital Converter Box
The Digital Transistion has never been easier.

...bringing customers the ultimate in Logostal Support and product availability.

Has it been easy? Is the product available? Oh, and they could use a proofreader.

MaxMedia ATSC Converter Box
(MMDTVB02) - JUNE DELIVERY :eek:

Certified by the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA). :confused:

dagger, is that convertmy.tv rather than MaxMedia you are quoting? CMT also says "excellent" picture quality. Gee, it used to be stunning, what happened with PQ? :rolleyes:

There may be product, there may be product in June, even. But nobody has said what tuner and chip changes are being made. As for pass through, convertmy.tv has said the -03 and -02 boxes have it, but that info did not appear on the maxmedia site as far as I can tell. Why doesn't MaxMedia state what's in the box, in terms of features and parts? If it isn't on MM, it's heresay. Convertmy.tv can make all kinds of claims, and then say oops, I misunderstood. Until MM posts the details, it's retailer assumptions. MM doesn't even identify the box by number anymore. A few site snippets:

MaxMedia DTA (Digital to Analog) ConverterBox Has it All.

With Maxmedia's Digital Converter Box
The Digital Transistion has never been easier.

...bringing customers the ultimate in Logostal Support and product availability.

Has it been easy? Is the product available? Oh, and they could use a proofreader. Do you have the link to those pages with obvious typographical errors?

I've looked at the MaxMedia-USA and Convert My TV pages. There is some inconsistent use of punctuation and grammar, and sometimes is spelled "Maxmedia" rather than "MaxMedia". See this MaxMedia DTVB Converter Box (http://maxmedia-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=43)page:

In 2009 US ATSC Broadcasting will Cease the Analog Spectrum broadcasting.

Maxmedia's box is Designed with the latest DTVB core engine and is in complance with US NTIA (Nation Television Institute Association)

At About MaxMedia (http://maxmedia-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=35), I found:

". Maxmedia has strategically setup every product to be OEM friendly allowing easy private labeling and multiple logistics locations bringing customers the ultimate in Logostal Support and product availability."

Spelling discrepencies, grammatical errors, and irregular English language sentence structure on MaxMedia's public web site raise additional red flags regarding the quality of this company and its products. Particularly disturbing is the inaccurate characterization of the NTIA as Nation Television Institute Association.

I didn't see these obvious glaring errors at Convert My TV (http://www.convertmy.tv/productInformation.html).

Much as I like the features promised on the MaxMedia CECB, I'm glad to be using successfully two of the Zenith DTT-900 CECBs for the time being.

"transistion" typo is on the main webpage:
http://maxmedia-usa.com/

The "Logostal Support" as you have found is on the "about us" link:
http://maxmedia-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=35

and on the products page,
The MaxMedia ATSC OTA (Off The Air) 1080i Reciever Box. This box down converts to 480 (analog) signal so that a standard CRT/Analog TV can recieve HD broadcasting.

DTVB Product Family

* HDMI (1080i ATSC) Recieved Box + Tuner - STINGRAY


http://maxmedia-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=43

"transistion" typo is on the main webpage:
http://maxmedia-usa.com/

The "Logostal Support" as you have found is on the "about us" link:
http://maxmedia-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=35

and on the products page, receive is 'recieve'
http://maxmedia-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=43 Darned, you are right! I'll underline the typos and inconsistent spelling - i.e. spelling "Maxmedia" at times while elsewhere spelling as "MaxMedia":

Maxmedia a premiere digital technology
manufacturer is teaming up with
Convertmy.TV to provide every household
in America with a Digital Converter Box.

Is that a fact? Every household in America?

MaxMedia DTA (Digital to Analog) ConverterBox Has it All.

What does "has it all" mean?

With Maxmedia's Digital Converter Box
The Digital Transistion has never been easier.

What is a "transistion"? If the "transistion" has never been "easier", then why were clients' $40 NTIA coupons redeemed before the actual merchandise was shipped to the purchaser? "Easier" for whom??

More from the about us page:

Maxmedia intergrates, manufactures and markets innovative products for the just in time world market needs. Maxmedia is comprised of a team of industry experts with provesn sucess history to execute projects with professionalism, and quaility in design, manufacturing and marketing. Maxmedia products, research and sales covers both the US and China Markets.

The arbitrary capitalization is odd, too.

ETA: and whether it is a premier (or even premiere) manufacturer, I would contest.

Hmm, I just downloaded a new participating retailers list. I think they were under Memsen, but I tried both Memsen and Convertmy, and neither was on the April 11 list.

http://www.convertmy.tv/productInformation.html

I know the website is still up, or I should say accessible via the back door approach. What I'm saying is that they are no longer listed as an authorized retailer, Memsen has been taken off the NTIA approved list. :eek:

Hmm, I just downloaded a new participating retailers list. I think they were under Memsen, but I tried both Memsen and Convertmy, and neither was on the April 11 list.
NTIA List of Participating Retailers (https://www.dtv2009.gov/VendorSearch.aspx)
Convert My TV is no longer listed under online retailers.

NTIA List of Coupon Eligible Converter Boxes (https://www.ntiadtv.gov/cecb_list.cfm)
As of today, the (original) MaxMedia MMDTVB03 remains on the list.

They should send us all a $40 visa gift card so we can buy a REAL box

I know the website is still up, or I should say accessible via the back door approach. What I'm saying is that they are no longer listed as an authorized retailer, Memsen has been taken off the NTIA approved list. :eek:

well i guess the government showed them who was boss taking them off their list :o. Of course none of that does us any good so who cares.

Why is all this LP stations being such a big deal. If there is these station what could they be broadcasting that is worth watching? i say screw them, if they don't want to invest for the right equipment then let them close down :p

I was told two weeks ago after I switched to the Sansonic (Option #2 for those following along) that my box had shipped. Since then I have followed up numerous times requesting tracking numbers and delivery information with no avail. They did credit my card for the $5 as requested, but still I wonder if the Sansonic will ever come. Anyone who went for what was behind door #2 received theirs yet?

XXXX:

Thank you for your message, your business, and your patience.

Your order was shipped on Tuesday, April 15th.

Please confirm the shipping address you entered (below) and I will
personally follow-up with the shipping warehouse.

XXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXX,XXXXX, XXXX
XXXXXX

Regards,
Jay Rao

XXXX:

Thank you for your message, your business, and your patience.

Your order was shipped on Tuesday, April 15th.

Please confirm the shipping address you entered (below) and I will
personally follow-up with the shipping warehouse.

XXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXX,XXXXX, XXXX
XXXXXX

Regards,
Jay Rao
bmorleymn:

Please let us know if and when you get your Sansonic box

I was told two weeks ago after I switched to the Sansonic (Option #2 for those following along) that my box had shipped. Since then I have followed up numerous times requesting tracking numbers and delivery information with no avail. They did credit my card for the $5 as requested, but still I wonder if the Sansonic will ever come. Anyone who went for what was behind door #2 received theirs yet? Please let us know when your Sansonic CECB arrives. This might at least indicate that Convert My TV's clients can actually get a real CECB for their $40 NTIA coupons, instead of some flaky kinda-sorta-maybe "vaporware" which hasn't even been manufactured yet!

XXXX:

Thank you for your message, your business, and your patience.

Your order was shipped on Tuesday, April 15th.

Please confirm the shipping address you entered (below) and I will
personally follow-up with the shipping warehouse.

XXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXX,XXXXX, XXXX
XXXXXX

Regards,
Jay Rao

I also shipped you a free paperclip Antenna. Didn't you get it? Oh well:D

And for those of you interested, I will post when I receive the Sansonic FT300A (Yes - I am still giving them the benefit of the doubt).

I find it interesting that Memsen is on the 3/21/08 participating retailers list from the NTIA and now they are missing from the 4/11/08 list. If they are no longer on listed how can they accept and validate converter coupons?

I find it interesting that Memsen is on the 3/21/08 participating retailers list from the NTIA and now they are missing from the 4/11/08 list. If they are no longer on listed how can they accept and validate converter coupons?

Perhaps they can't accept coupons anymore...but the damage is done to those that already used a coupon with them.

And for those of you interested, I will post when I receive the Sansonic FT300A (Yes - I am still giving them the benefit of the doubt).

You're a brave man!

XXXX:

Thank you for your message, your business, and your patience.

Your order was shipped on Tuesday, April 15th.

Please confirm the shipping address you entered (below) and I will
personally follow-up with the shipping warehouse.

XXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXX,XXXXX, XXXX
XXXXXX

Regards,
Jay Rao

I don't trust them at all

Perhaps they can't accept coupons anymore...but the damage is done to those that already used a coupon with them.
They should be forced to make this right with the people they hurt

Surprised nobody used better business bureau, attorney general, or small claims court, or did they?

SOme called the NTIA and made formal complaints

Surprised nobody used better business bureau, attorney general, or small claims court, or did they?

Don't you need to know the company's address and/or phone number to use those methods? :p

better business bureau: is worthless, they have no power
attorney general: this is way to small for them. it would cost more in legal fees and unlike Microsoft & Martha steward there is nothing for them to gain from this. meaning no fame or news coverage.
small claims court: you can't sue for the $40 coupon and they have refunded the $19.99 to people who asked them, so no crime.

better business bureau: is worthless, they have no power
attorney general: this is way to small for them. it would cost more in legal fees and unlike Microsoft & Martha steward there is nothing for them to gain from this. meaning no fame or news coverage.
small claims court: you can't sue for the $40 coupon and they have refunded the $19.99 to people who asked them, so no crime.

Basically, YOU'RE F*CKED! SOL

we will see in june if they send a box. the only loss will be the coupons

To Convert My TV buyers who have already had their $40 NTIA coupons prematurely redeemed: IF (and this is a big IF) some buyers actually receive delivery on the Sansonic FT300A, then it makes sense to switch to that box.

Convert My TV is probably under NTIA investigation regarding premature coupon redemption. NTIA may even make a "poster child" of Convert My TV, imposing steep fines on the business and its officers to deter other businesses from cutting corners on the redemption rules. Convert My TV customers certainly should file formal complaints to NTIA and to members of Congress.

Based on results, methinks MaxMedia is certainly NOT a "premiere digital technology manufacturer (http://maxmedia-usa.com/)". If you actually want to receive a TV converter box, it would behoove you personally to switch to the Sansonic FT300A and get something useful from the $40 or $80 in NTIA coupon redemption value.

"Fortunately" I was waiting for an email reply on a few missing details on the MM box, and never heard back. MM won't get my business unless they come up the details soon, make early June with rave reviews, and dump that 'exclusive' retailer. Sansonic as a substitute? That one isn't on my list.

Didn't CMtv promise FedEx shipping? Why no tracking numbers to waiting customers?

the Sansonic is a pOS Imo. No features and bad reviews. If they offered the philco then maybe. BUt I can get the philco for $51 plus shipping or $60 includes shipping. I wont pay MM more for that box

Where exactly, have you seen the FT300A reviewed? I know MikerBiker has provided some information on another thread that wasn't glowing, but certainly not horrible either. I'm not saying you are wrong, I would just like to get more information. If you are referring to the reviews from King-Cart I don't know there is much to go on there.

Where exactly, have you seen the FT300A reviewed? I know MikerBiker has provided some information on another thread that wasn't glowing, but certainly not horrible either. I'm not saying you are wrong, I would just like to get more information. If you are referring to the reviews from King-Cart I don't know there is much to go on there.
There is a sasonic thread here and another forum. Not glowing at all. You cant add channels NO AP or SA It is a very cheap box

Other boxes that will have passthru and some with Smart antenna also

The Following are the NTIA Approved DTV Converter Boxes capable of passing analog signals through to the TV set.

Echostar TR-40
Magnavox TB-100MG9
Philco TB150HH9
Philco TB100HH9
Digital Stream DX8700
Digital Stream DSP7700T
RCA DTA800B1 (Passthru and Smart Antenna)
Tatung TDB3001 (Passthru and Smart Antenna) http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/Tatung_TDB3001.html

There are now 10 listed with APT. You left off:

APEX DT250
DIGITAL STREAM DTX9950

The trouble with most of these is they are not available locally, or at all.

The Sansonic review has been updated, you can add channels manually, what's missing is the ability to add autoscans. For me, that's only a slight negative, it's not like you do that every day. But Sansonic's EPG has only 'now' -- a minute before new programs start, not having "next" would be an extreme annoyance. Echostar has APT and Microtune tuner, and full EPG and timer plus being free with coupon put it on my list, even though I have to wait for that one, too. At least I think they know a bit more about the sellng end of things.

Dagger666 says: "The TR-40 has been redesigned and branded the DTVPal by both EchoStar and Sling Media."
Where did you find that information? What else do you know about the redesign?

Dagger666 says: "The TR-40 has been redesigned and branded the DTVPal by both EchoStar and Sling Media."
Where did you find that information?

http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/EchoStar_TR-40.html

or GOOGLE DTVPAL for additional references

There are now 10 listed with APT. You left off:

APEX DT250
DIGITAL STREAM DTX9950

The trouble with most of these is they are not available locally, or at all.

The Sansonic review has been updated, you can add channels manually, what's missing is the ability to add autoscans. For me, that's only a slight negative, it's not like you do that every day. But Sansonic's EPG has only 'now' -- a minute before new programs start, not having "next" would be an extreme annoyance. Echostar has APT and Microtune tuner, and full EPG and timer plus being free with coupon put it on my list, even though I have to wait for that one, too. At least I think they know a bit more about the sellng end of things.

Where can you buy the Apex? I can't find there website or anywhere to buy it

you want apex.my guess none will be out until june or july

To those of you who still cling to the idea of actually obtaining a MaxMedia box: given how its affiliate Convert My TV has already demonstrated lousy customer-service quality by prematurely redeeming your NTIA $40 coupons, do you really think they the quality control of the actual CECB is going to be adequate - IF the box actually is delivered? How do we know that the product shipped to you will be defect-free, dependable, robust?

You may end up with the Chevrolet Vega of CECBs!

Why is all this LP stations being such a big deal. If there is these station what could they be broadcasting that is worth watching?

ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW.....

To those of you who still cling to the idea of actually obtaining a MaxMedia box: given how its affiliate Convert My TV has already demonstrated lousy customer-service quality by prematurely redeeming your NTIA $40 coupons, do you really think they the quality control of the actual CECB is going to be adequate - IF the box actually is delivered? How do we know that the product shipped to you will be defect-free, dependable, robust?

You may end up with the Chevrolet Vega of CECBs!

If I do and I do not doubt you. I will send it back and cancel my CC and call NTIA, BBB, Shame on you TV show and others.

You may end up with the Chevrolet Vega of CECBs!

Or the Ford Pinto of CECBs!

ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW.....

you need to move :p. here in NY i can't figure any channel i would be out since all have digital stations up and running.

You may end up with the Chevrolet Vega of CECBs!

Not to mention the Pontiac Fiero of CECBs.

Not to mention the Pontiac Fiero of CECBs.

I hope it doesn't become the Ford Pinto of CECBs... we don't need ones that will burst into flames if you bump them!

Check out Paragraph 5.

http://www.edn.com/blog/400000040/post/1710024971.html

ok so where does that leave us

ok so where does that leave us

Up sh!ts creek without a paddle!

Speaking of converter boxes...and fraud...the seeming 'bait-and-switch' Memsen/MaxMedia situation recently reported in Slashdot and other forums was raised by several audience members. Ms. Baker and her staff were unable to comment to any significant degree of detail, as the situation is currently under review by the NTIA's legal counsel. It's not clear at this time if MaxMedia's product swap and schedule pushout reflected a genuine delay in design completion and/or production ramp in the MMDTVB03 (and its later-promised MMDTVB02 replacement), or if the inferior Sansonic FT300A was the company's only truly planned offering from the very beginning.
http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=blog&blog_id=400000040&blog_post_id=1710024971

I am now satisfied that the right people know about MM and the BS

Memsen/MaxMedia situation recently reported in Slashdot

Does anyone have the direct link to the Slashdot forum for MM box? I am having a hard time finding it
thanks

Scammers Exploit DTV Coupon Program
Posted by kdawson on Tuesday April 08, @07:01PM
from the old-bait-and-switch dept.
Television Technology
An anonymous reader writes "Analog TV users must purchase a DTV converter box before broadcasts go digital in 2009, and the US Government is offering $40 coupons to support the transition. The coupon program requires retailers to become certified by the NTIA (the Government body running the program) before processing orders for the boxes. Apparently the certification program is a bit lax, as the frenzy to purchase DTV boxes using these coupons seems to have drawn unscrupulous fraud artists into the mix. Memsen, via its web site convertmy.tv and its hardware partner Maxmedia, partnered apparently to pull a bait-and-switch game on unsuspecting consumers and the US Government." Read on for details of the scam claimed by this anonymous reader.


Maxmedia and convertmy.tv (CMTV) together promoted the Maxmedia MMDTVB03, which appeared to be the most feature-rich of the coupon-eligible converter boxes. The box drew public interest and even coverage by 3rd-party review sites.

CMTV quickly took pre-orders for the box, and promised delivery first in April, 2008, and later pushed the date back to May. The company immediately redeemed the Government coupons (in violation of the program rules, which prohibit back-ordering) and charged customer credit cards. Early-adopting consumers were willing to overlook these practices, feeling they would eventually own the best box on the market.

CMTV yesterday announced that they would not be shipping the MMDTVB03 at all — it would be replaced by the MMDTVB02, which they claim will have a better picture. Of course, the "new & improved" box will not ship until June. As an alternative, CMTV indicated it would allow customers to switch to an inferior box for $5 less.

Consumers are outraged by CMTV/MaxMedia's bait-and-switch tactics but are having difficulty finding out who these companies really are. Neither company publishes physical addresses or phone numbers on their web sites, and consumers have resorted to their own detective work to find the info.

As of April 8, 2008, the convertmy.tv web site is still accepting and processing orders for the "new" MMDTVB02 — in clear violation of the NTIA program rules, which only allows coupons to be applied to DTV boxes on its approved list.
[+] technology, tv, dtv, scams (tagging beta)
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/08/2245248&from=rss

i want to know who we email about coupons that haven't arrived. the link from contact us on dvt2009 web site gets you no were, 3 emails and haven't heard a word back

just in case anyone was wondering if others were doing this www.summitsource.com has cashed in my coupon and hasn't sent the CM-7000 yet. Still listed on backorder, they said expected a shipment end of April in a email before i placed my order.

just in case anyone was wondering if others were doing this www.summitsource.com has cashed in my coupon and hasn't sent the CM-7000 yet. Still listed on backorder, they said expected a shipment end of April in a email before i placed my order. Seems like word has gotten out that NTIA lacks sufficient staff to enforce the coupon-redemption rules.

I would understand them checking to make sure the coupon was valid but it came back as used when i checked it's status today. I hope this means they have their shipment and will send it out soon :rolleyes:.

***This item is temporarily on Back-Order. All Back-Order items normally ship within 2 weeks.***

Summit Source: Hello, Can I help you with anything today?
me: i ordered the Channel Master CM-7000, can you tell me when it will be in stock ready to ship
Summit Source: We expect our order of several hundred units of the CM-7000 to arrive early next week.
me: ok thanks

from their live help I did not want to push the coupon thing since i'm sure they will ship.

To: support@convertmy.tv
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:32 AM
Subject: Time Limit
Well i been reading that your shipping date might be after the coupons have expired. How will this effect us who have already ordered boxes and had a credit cards charged? When i ordered the box no shipping date was given and i received a email saying the box has already shipped but now i hear this isn't true. This has scam written all over it

Re: Time Limit
From: CMTV Support (support@convertmy.tv)
Sent:Fri 3/28/08 2:57 PM
Your coupon(s) if validated and redeemed through our site are perfectly fine and the value will not go away ... they are applied towards your purchase. The coupon value only expires if not used within 90 days. Our Maxmedia boxes ship out late April ... the Sansonics will ship out early April, Fedex is the carrier.

We have worked and continue to work very hard on making our online service the best available ... we do not appreciate you referencing our effort and service as a scam.
Customer Service,
www.convertmy.tv

well now we all know, SCAM !!

Well the right people know about this at the nTIA now. So I am comfortable letting them handle it

i'll be happy if the refund my money and give me the coupon back, but i don't think it will go that way.

Just wanted to let everyone (who asked) know that I did, in fact, receive the Sansonic FT300A today. The shipment came from MaxMedia. I don't know what this means for the MaxMedia box, but they do actually ship CECBs.;)

You're a brave man!

In retrospect, I wouldn't have ordered from MaxMedia had I known then what I know now about their original box. I did, however, get a Sansonic for a cheaper amount than most places I have seen (54.95 included shipping and only 14.95 after coupon redemption). Good luck to the rest of you all. You probably need it.

Just wanted to let everyone (who asked) know that I did, in fact, receive the Sansonic FT300A today. The shipment came from MaxMedia. I don't know what this means for the MaxMedia box, but they do actually ship CECBs.;) At last, an actual CECB order fulfillment from CMTV!

Please share your evaluation of the Sansonic FT300A. Its Microtune tuner and overall performance could be superior to the Zenith/Insignia.

Just wanted to let everyone (who asked) know that I did, in fact, receive the Sansonic FT300A today. The shipment came from MaxMedia. I don't know what this means for the MaxMedia box, but they do actually ship CECBs.;)
Well glad to see they are doing something. I think the NTIA called them a few times because we all complained.

They did the wrong thing. now lets see if they do the right thing.

Too bad I read the Sansonic sucks.

Well glad to see they are doing something. I think the NTIA called them a few times because we all complained.

They did the wrong thing. now lets see if they do the right thing.

Too bad I read the Sansonic sucks. All of the CECBs on the market are compromised. I'm skeptical that the MaxMedia CECB, when it actually gets manufactured and distributed, will actually perform as well as the Sansonic.

There's no assurance that the "feature-laden" MaxMedia will perform any better than the disappointingly lackluster General Electric 22730 (http://reviews.cnet.com/tv-hdtv-tuners-receivers/ge-22730-digital-converter/4505-6487_7-32909913.html?tag=lst) reviewed at CNET: it might work - sort of, kind of, maybe....

I guess you need to be a true believer in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny....

everything is a gamble but you figure how hard can it be to make a digital to analog decoder, childs play. that is why i wanted the TVDPAL (a.k.a. TR-40), figured who else could do digital decoders better than dish company.

bmorleymn
You can also post a review of your Sansonic FT300A in the Sansonic thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008314)

I know that it has a Info button on the remote that shows the
Channel Information/Program Information

Does it have a EPG in the menu like the RCA DTA800B?

just remember we have had maxmedia spys on this thread before and any post signing the praises of the sansonic box could be one of them trying to get you to switch your order taking the heat off them.

i didn't not order the sansonic box, i do not want the sansonic box and i will not except the sansonic box as a replacement at any price

just remember we have had maxmedia spys on this thread before and any post signing the praises of the sansonic box could be one of them trying to get you to switch your order taking the heat off them.

i didn't not order the sansonic box, i do not want the sansonic box and i will not except the sansonic box as a replacement at any price
Agreed I want my MM box or MY CC money and Coupon money back. Either

just remember we have had maxmedia spys on this thread before and any post signing the praises of the sansonic box could be one of them trying to get you to switch your order taking the heat off them.

i didn't not order the sansonic box, i do not want the sansonic box and i will not except the sansonic box as a replacement at any price
Since when am I considered a maxmedia spy?

I have not be singing any praises of the sansonic box.
All I am asking for is if bmorleymn was going to write a review to move it to the
Sansonic FT300A DTV Converter Box (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008314) Thread that was started by you dagger666

So far we only know that MikeBiker and bmorleymn are the only two that have reported having a Falcon Digital type box - both being the Sansonic FT300A.

I just found it odd that it has been reported to have no EPG and was wanting bmorleymn to confirm

Also why are you so worried dagger666 no one is forcing you to use one of the four other coupons you applied for and get a Sansonic.

can only get 2 coupons not 4

can only get 2 coupons not 4Kelson also told dagger666 that: "You are only allowed 2 per household."

So far we only received 2 out of the 6 we put in for.
from Converter Box Coupon Statistics - post #3 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13580856#post13580856)

we own 3 different houses in 3 different states
from Converter Box Coupon Statistics - post #5 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13581325#post13581325)

dagger666 has 3 households and got 2 coupons and needs 4 more.

Well he has 3 houses so he qualify s

However, ownership is not the definition of household -- it is who resides there. Although I suppose if it were empty, there would at least be no conflict in requesting coupons. If it's rented, the renters meet the NTIA definition of household.

I never said if he qualifys or not.

I just said that no one is forcing him to use one of his remaining four coupons to get a Sansonic.

In the Tivax thread I said not all of us are buying six boxes and we would like to have a box researched / taken apart before we decide what box best fits a person.

I never said if he qualifys or not.

I just said that no one is forcing him to use one of his remaining four coupons to get a Sansonic.

In the Tivax thread I said not all of us are buying six boxes and we would like to have a box researched / taken apart before we decide what box best fits a person.

Agreed I am still looking for my other box. Does the TIVAX have Passthru ?

i did not say you were a spy just made a general observation that they have tried other tacts in this thread to explain the delays of their box so now that the heat is on why would they not try this.

Me thinks you protest to much. hum mm

each house is it's own house hold and all applications have been approved.

Hi,

I was out looking at "other" converters today and found it interesting seeing this:

• PLEASE READ: You cannot use the government issued coupon unless converter box is in stock.

See it here:
www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=RC-DT09

I don't think I've ever seen that at another site.... now will it be a new standard or even a new regulation??

Since when am I considered a maxmedia spy?

I have not be singing any praises of the sansonic box.
All I am asking for is if bmorleymn was going to write a review to move it to the
Sansonic FT300A DTV Converter Box (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008314) Thread that was started by you dagger666

So far we only know that MikeBiker and bmorleymn are the only two that have reported having a Falcon Digital type box - both being the Sansonic FT300A.

I just found it odd that it has been reported to have no EPG and was wanting bmorleymn to confirm

Also why are you so worried dagger666 no one is forcing you to use one of the four other coupons you applied for and get a Sansonic.

Malouff I am sorry that the conspiracy theorists have gotten to you. I have been doing a little traveling and haven't had a chance to get the Sansonic tested yet. I will do so shortly and report what I have learned. I will look specifically at the EPG.

Oh, and by the way, there was a second shooter.;)

The CMTV website is no longer on the approved online vendor list at the DTV.GOV website....

Thank you bmorleymn for offering to do a review and check out the EPG.

You may also want to check out the Closed Captioning in your review.
dmulvany (Dana) collects Captioning reviews.

...Oh, and by the way, there was a second shooter.;)Yes, I know LOL :D
It is funny to me because I have been mostly negative with MaxMedia-USA in this entire thread.

I did a quick test of the Sansonic and can confirm there is no EPG function. On the plus side, it does everything I hoped it would do well in terms of tuning and reception. It even worked with a paper clip antenna.

When i first say it with all the maxmedia stuff i figured well here we go again and then i remember all the stuff mosquito said and quick did searches and found nothing. We all wanted him to take orders for the TR-40 before it came out but he would not offer that but lets us know the very first it became available. That doesn't sound like a scam artiest like Maxmedia. Every search had nothing bad to say about his web site which just reinforced my thinking that it was bull. Mosquito never said anything bad about Maxmedia just the truth in a very tastefully way unlike many of us. Why he was picked as a target is beyond me.

Because he told the truth about memsen imo

There was no original link provided by Admas. Hope he gets banned. Many here wrote the admins

The key word here is "redeem." We do not redeem coupons until the product is ready for shipment. I believe that most of the other online sites are using the web service offered by the NTIA for processing coupons. It was unclear as we looked at that service if there was an ability to authorize a coupon, or if it only redeemed them. We did not want to redeem the coupon immediately specifically for this purpose.

so if a coupon comes up on the ntia site as being used it might just be held by the supplier but not cashed in? That would make sense for on line orders since it takes 5 days to process it would stop people from using the same coupon on different orders at different on line suppliers.

My understanding is that it does not show up as used until it is redeemed (cashed). But then again, we're not using the web service, so I can't speak specifically about how that is now working. There's too many variables with that that are out of our control, so that's why we opted not to go with it.

Why he was picked as a target is beyond me.

It must be because I'm such a big player in this government program. :p

No reason to go after Walmart or Best Buy money when you can try to squeeze it out of my deep pockets!

It must be because I'm such a big player in this government program. :p

No reason to go after Walmart or Best Buy money when you can try to squeeze it out of my deep pockets!
Great glad to hear it.

10% donation for the Army per order

AnD


10% for the people on this thread lol:D:D:D:rolleyes::)

Just joking:D

Great glad to hear it.

10% donation for the Army per order

AnD


10% for the people on this thread lol:D:D:D:rolleyes::)

Just joking:D

Sorry, no 10% back, but we'll be happy to throw in one of them new-fangled paper clip antennas for FREE! Any takers?? Your choice of color!

Just enter PAPERCLIP in the promotion code box during checkout.

Sorry, no 10% back, but we'll be happy to throw in one of them new-fangled paper clip antennas for FREE! Any takers?? Your choice of color!

Just enter PAPERCLIP in the promotion code box during checkout.

I already have a dispenser filled with multi-colored paperclips in this house, all practically begging to be used as antennas, so I think I'll pass on that offer. :D

My understanding is that it does not show up as used until it is redeemed (cashed). But then again, we're not using the web service, so I can't speak specifically about how that is now working. There's too many variables with that that are out of our control, so that's why we opted not to go with it.

Now I'm confused! I have been watching this forum trying (originally) to determine by some inside tech talk' what a good box would be. can someone tell me , may be you mosquito'- if I can reserve a box, as I dont want my coupons to expire... sorry newbie to thread am I am very confused.. not even sure if I have posted correctly. grace please.

Now I'm confused! I have been watching this forum trying (originally) to determine by some inside tech talk' what a good box would be. can someone tell me , may be you mosquito'- if I can reserve a box, as I dont want my coupons to expire... sorry newbie to thread am I am very confused.. not even sure if I have posted correctly. grace please.


Start here and determine what features you want or need?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_CECB_units

Once you pic 1 to 3 choices you can ask us or mosquito if they are selling yet or will?

But only you can know what features you most want

example

smart antenna

analog passthru

Signal sensitive

EPG

S- video

Good company's sell it and not a scam

Now I'm confused! I have been watching this forum trying (originally) to determine by some inside tech talk' what a good box would be. can someone tell me , may be you mosquito'- if I can reserve a box, as I dont want my coupons to expire... sorry newbie to thread am I am very confused.. not even sure if I have posted correctly. grace please.
circuit77
All of the boxes have there positives and negatives.

In addition to wikipedia I would also recommend that you look at
holl_ands CECB Feature List it is updated more and has more information.

Also don't forget to look at these two for a User's Manual for boxes.
http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/Converter_Box.html
http://www.freedtvshop.com/fdtv/converters.php

It is like lexus2108 said you need to determine what feature(s) you need and then find the closest converter box that fits your needs.

Features would be like the following
Analog Passthru - Check TVFool.com and see if you need this
External Power supply - Thinking of using a DC application
Electronic Program Guide (EPG) - Style and how far in advance
Smart Antenna - Maybe important once they become available and depending on your signal quality.
S-Video - Few boxes support and they cost more and your T.V. needs to support it.
Remote - What controls, shape, is it universal, what T.V. buttons does it have.
Box controls - Again important to some in case you lose the remote
Soc and Tuner used - may affect sensitivity
Graphical User Interface - The look of the menu's and color scheme
The ability to manually add channels
Has Volume Control
Closed Captioning fonts and sizes used.
Price out of your own pocket
Ability to exchange for a different converter box

Thread has been rolled back to remove off-topic and inflammatory posts. Some legitimate posts may have been lost in the rollback. For that, I apologize.

circuit77
All of the boxes have there positives and negatives.

In addition to wikipedia I would also recommend that you look at
holl_ands CECB Feature List it is updated more and has more information.

Also don't forget to look at these two for a User's Manual for boxes.
http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/Converter_Box.html
http://www.freedtvshop.com/fdtv/converters.php

It is like lexus2108 said you need to determine what feature(s) you need and then find the closest converter box that fits your needs.

Features would be like the following
Analog Passthru - Check TVFool.com and see if you need this
External Power supply - Thinking of using a DC application
Electronic Program Guide (EPG) - Style and how far in advance
Smart Antenna - Maybe important once they become available and depending on your signal quality.
S-Video - Few boxes support and they cost more and your T.V. needs to support it.
Remote - What controls, shape, is it universal, what T.V. buttons does it have.
Box controls - Again important to some in case you lose the remote
Soc and Tuner used - may affect sensitivity
Graphical User Interface - The look of the menu's and color scheme
The ability to manually add channels
Has Volume Control
Closed Captioning fonts and sizes used.
Price out of your own pocket
Ability to exchange for a different converter box


ALSO...

thanks Malouff for your help..

please help me here.... as you posted- are these two companies the same ?


http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/Converter_Box.html
http://www.freedtvshop.com/fdtv/converters.php

they seem to be working closely together... so will ez digital have the maxmedia 02 box soonner than mosquito?

many thanks

Great glad to hear it.

10% donation for the Army per order

AnD


10% for the people on this thread lol:D:D:D:rolleyes::)

Just joking:D

Mosquito, do you really pay some of these thread guys commission for selling stuff for you ? Genuine concern regarding legitimate purchase.

Ok, looks as if discussion about the MMDTVB03 is finished. Topic closed