Like the title says, what do you think the top three fifty inch 1080p/24fs displays are not including the Pioneer Elites?

If you don't include the Elite, which would be the top, then the 5010FD is the next one.

Russ

#1. Pioneer...oopps I mean Panasonic
#2. Panasonic
#3. Samsung
:p

Chris

But besies the 5010 what is comparable? And sorry to be picky, but could you include model numbers :)

It comes down to preference. Obviously you prefer to not get a Pioneer for some reason or another. Personally, I would take a Samsung 5084 over a Panasonic PZ700 or PZ750 just because I would rather have the better skin tones. The new Panasonics all sound promising but I haven't seen them. It comes down to what your eyes prefer.

My eyes would still say the Pioneer. But there's some reason you don't want Pioneer however I will tell you i fell in love with mine.

I think the Pioneer 110FD would have to be number one but if you do not want to include that for price or whatever reason then:

1. Pioneer 5010 1080p
2. Pioneer 5080 768p
3. ??

Believe it or not the 5080 routinely beat out rival 1080p sets from Panasonic.

This illustrates yet again a concept that the majority of the mass market simply do not appreciate because of they hype surrounding 1080p which is that CONTRAST and color are much more important than resolution in determing picture quality.

Is 1080p important? Sure.
Does 1080p look better than 768p? Sure as long as you sit close enough.

But all things being equal, better contrast (i.e. blacks) and color trump resolution every time.

And that's why even the non-Elite 768p Pioneer Kuros give a far superior picture to their closest competitors from Samsung and Panasonic . . .

Just my two cents of course.

Dennis

Its not that I don't want a Pioneer, its just that I know they are the best. What I'm wondering is, besides Pioneer, what else is "good".

Its not that I don't want a Pioneer, its just that I know they are the best. What I'm wondering is, besides Pioneer, what else is "good".Panasonic is usually the choice if you don't go with Pioneer...and my choice as well.;)

edit- Are you looking for specific model numbers?

Its not that I don't want a Pioneer

Then who cares about anything else? Seriously

Basically I've got my mind made up that I am going to get the Pio 5010. However, I am also considering going with something a little cheaper such as the Panasonics. So, I just want to know, if I don't go with the Pioneer, what should I go with.

and ya, specific model numbers would be good :)

thanks

Basically I've got my mind made up that I am going to get the Pio 5010. However, I am also considering going with something a little cheaper such as the Panasonics. So, I just want to know, if I don't go with the Pioneer, what should I go with.

and ya, specific model numbers would be good :)

thanks

I would try the 50PZ80U/85U when they release...

Chris

check tweeter's price on the Pioneer 1150 Elite, It beats almost any others including the panny, and sammys

I would try the 50PZ80U/85U when they release...

Chris

Does anyone know when they will be released? And I know we are not suppose to discuss prices in here, but where can I find out what hte msrp will be?

Does anyone know when they will be released? And I know we are not suppose to discuss prices in here, but where can I find out what hte msrp will be?

http://www.panasonic.com

Like the title says, what do you think the top three fifty inch 1080p/24fs displays are not including the Pioneer Elites?

Well since you are posting in a plasma thread I'll assume that's what your look for, even though you don't specify. As of right now the only plasmas that can display 1080p/24 at an even multiple (24,48,72 etc.) are the Pioneers. Your only option is the Pioneer PDP-5010(excluding the Elites of course).

If you were to wait a few months, Panasonic will be releasing their new TH-50PZ800U and TH-50PZ850, both of which should accept 1080p/24 and display it at 48hz. Pioneer is suppose to come out with the 2008 Kuros around June or July and will have a lower MSRP than the current models.

Thanks Peet, thats what I was looking for.

I don't think any 720 or 768P Plasma even a Pioneer Elite can beat the Panasonic 50" 850U. It has 30,000:1 static contrast ratio for pete's sake.
I know there are several of each type but this is how I see the top 3 when you exclude ultra expensive stuff from Runco and Fujitsu(the ones that still may be left).
1: Pioneer 50" Kuro Elite
2: Pioneer 50" Kuro
3: Panasonic THX CERT 50" Plama

1.) B&O
2.) Fujitsu
3.) Pioneer 50" Kuro Elite

As of right now the only plasmas that can display 1080p/24 at an even multiple (24,48,72 etc.) are the Pioneers.

The commercial Panny TH-50PF10UK also does a judder-free 1080p/24 playback (48Hz, IIRC), as verified by owners here in the Forums. It should certainly be considered "Top 3", if you eliminate the Elites and even more uber-expensive offerings.

1.) B&O
2.) Fujitsu
3.) Pioneer 50" Kuro Elite1.) B&O (too expensive for most)
2.) Fujitsu (can't buy one anymore)
3.) Pioneer 50" Kuro Elite (is it a Pioneer, Panasonic, Piosonic or Pananeer? Only your hairdresser :eek: knows for sure (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018075.php)).

1.) B&O (too expensive for most)
2.) Fujitsu (can't buy one anymore)
3.) Pioneer 50" Kuro Elite (is it a Pioneer, Panasonic, Piosonic or Pananeer? Only your hairdresser :eek: knows for sure (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018075.php)).

i wanted to actually edit my post...3.) should be Runco.

The commercial Panny TH-50PF10UK also does a judder-free 1080p/24 playback (48Hz, IIRC), as verified by owners here in the Forums.

Both 48Hz and 96Hz according to reports.

Pioneer Elite PRO-1150HD is better than the Pana or Sammy 1080p. I've have them side by side and the Pioneer smokes them. We can match the Tweeter price drop with better service. They are flying out the door.
That being said Pioneer is the best followed by Pana, then Sammy.
Call me a Pioneer fanboy but them are the facts.
I saw someone say the new Pana will be KURO like because of a claimed 30,000:1 CR. CR claims needes to be regulated by the FTC because there is no standard for measuring true CR from manufacturer to manufacturer. Just like the 70's with amplifier power ratings. Lots of BS!
You don't look at numbers you look at a panel! Call me a fanboy but I sell and set up this stuff for a living. I can't make a LCD look good and everything pales in comparison to Pioneer.

Hi loomsey,

My top 3:

1. Panasonic 50PZ800U (Middle of the pack pricing...when available)
2. Panasonic 50PZ85U (Best for overall budget)
3. Pioneer 5010FD (Most expensive of the bunch)

Chris

Hi loomsey,

My top 3:

1. Panasonic 50PZ800U (Middle of the pack pricing...when available)
2. Panasonic 50PZ85U (Best for overall budget)
3. Pioneer 5010FD (Most expensive of the bunch)

Chris

That's a bold statement, considering that 1 and 2 are not out yet.

how would you know if any of the panasonics are better than this years sets? We haven't seen one real world review and we have now idea how they really look.

Many people beleive that that the 600 series looked better than the 700 series (you won't see them on this board because it only deals with new buyers for the most part). Personaly, I think my 50" 6oU looks better for standard DVD viewing than my 700U (even ISF calibrated).

That's a bold statement, considering that 1 and 2 are not out yet.

I am talking on a budget stand point and not a performance stand point. If the OP is looking for the best he would go with the Elite. If he is trying to save some dollars, #1 and #2 make sense. I wanted to tell the OP that they would be MY CHOICES and not performance differences...

Since contrast ratio numbers are increasing and performance is getting better I can probably say that the PZ80/85/800/850 will be close in performance to the Kuro's/Elites. It may not be better, but close...

Chris

how would you know if any of the panasonics are better than this years sets? We haven't seen one real world review and we have now idea how they really look.

Many people beleive that that the 600 series looked better than the 700 series (you won't see them on this board because it only deals with new buyers for the most part). Personaly, I think my 50" 6oU looks better for standard DVD viewing than my 700U (even ISF calibrated).

Again I its goes back to my response of my previous post. These are CHOICES and has no direct connect to performance. I did not advocate that the 11G Panny's are better than 8G Kuro's. :)
Chris

I wasn't pointing any one person out. I just want us all to take a deep breath and realize that not every year will be radically different than the next when it comes to plasma displays.

Remember, the most important part of the chain in a good dsiplay is the source. DVD's will be around for a LONG time even though Blu Ray is here to stay. 75% of what we watch will not be able to exploit most of our display capabilities for years to come.

Remember the good old days, when you bought a TV every 7 years? Well, we are there. Any decent set bought in 07 should be pretty good given the source material coming out for the next 5-7 years.

The top 3 are the three that look best to you. There is no wrong choice between Pioneer, Panasonic and Samsung. You go with what looks good to you and what fits within the $$$ range that you are looking to spend. You will get a great picture from any of these brands and the if you ask 1,000 people what is 1,2,3 you will get about 1,000 different combinations of numbers or as many combinations that can be created with 3 numbers, I don't know the exact number off hand.

Since models not even out are in the equation, I'll throw out my picks:

1) Panasonic Commercial 11 series tied with Pioneer Elite
2) Pioneer non-Elite 9 Series
3) The best panel of the new ones coming from the other manufactuers (Panasonic consumer/Samsung/LG/etc.)

I wasn't pointing any one person out. I just want us all to take a deep breath and realize that not every year will be radically different than the next when it comes to plasma displays.

Remember, the most important part of the chain in a good dsiplay is the source. DVD's will be around for a LONG time even though Blu Ray is here to stay. 75% of what we watch will not be able to exploit most of our display capabilities for years to come.

Remember the good old days, when you bought a TV every 7 years? Well, we are there. Any decent set bought in 07 should be pretty good given the source material coming out for the next 5-7 years.

No problem....I appreciate your feedback...;)

Chris