YES, no I can confirm that it is a huge upgrade. To quote my barco tech guy who in the past 20 years has worked as a professonial barco service man,(fixing and repairing) He said my BD808S now looking like a good 909. That's not bad..?

It is very sharp, and there is no need for me to buy a digital PJ at the moment. And I also think it can be even sharper when I get the astig right.

I have tryed different resolotions,and 1920x818p@72 look really nice, but at the moment I think 1600x900p@72 look slight sharper, but as I said, maybe it is astig I need tweak a bit to get maxium out of it.

Its also more light ouput, and more homogeny picture like as you get on 9 inch. I think it is because of the smart fiberoptic cabel that make the little extra punch.

When installing this cabel, I was needed to remove the shield above the cards which laying on the hatch(I think it is the lido cards) to get enough space for the DVI plug. You cannot bend this cabel so much. Have you tested this Greg?

There now much less noice in the picture, especially in bluray, than before with BG-DVI. Its also a bit less hizzing from the barco, but the fan noice is a bit higher than before.

Greg is very serious and he give very good service. It was a slight delay because the awfull flue that Greg got, some vacation and the fiberoptic cabel came in late. Greg gave me a good discount because of these things, so I am very pleased with Greg, can recommend him very highly.

He also gave me free upgrade to V9 because it came two days after I recieved the v7. (I have not done this yet)

Greg, would recommend you take some more picture of the parts that we need to send, especially on bd808s there the nec cards and the RGB AMP are seperated. Thanks to MPmods site that help me to discover this.

So order today! You wont regret a second!

PS: I have green p16 tube installed

(I started new thread because in the original thread they talk now about Marquee mods)

Its also more light ouput

I'm curious as to why there would be more light output with these mods?

The V9

The neck cards I replace the 250V main rail into the neck card and I double the capacitance.

So it allows the tubes to peak white at a higher level without putting stress on the power supply I copyed this from a Mitsubishi CRT design neck card.

From my testing this mod helps the peaks not typically the the darker or lower contrast images.

Greg

am I correct to assume that this leads to faster tube wear?

am I correct to assume that this leads to faster tube wear?

Not really, i have seen some mitsubishi crt's for sale with high hours and they all had nice whit tubes. I heard the Mitsu's actually had a really great picture. I was always afraid to get one because there is so little known about them.

Athanasios

Mish CRTS have great neck cards and great power supply's

Peaks dont hurt CRTS only constant images static. CNN banners etc.

Over built!

I took apart 2 once and studied them but the resolution was not so good on them.

Greg

"Over Built" That's a phrase we don't hear very often in todays world





Mish CRTS have great neck cards and great power supply's

Peaks dont hurt CRTS only constant images static. CNN banners etc.

Over built!

I took apart 2 once and studied them but the resolution was not so good on them.

Greg

That's why they stopped building at the turn of the century, it's over;-).

That's why they stopped building at the turn of the century, it's over;-).

HMMPh, Over, no not over crt will never be over till they can make a technology that can even come close to reproducing a image that crt does!!!! :cool:

[QUOTE=lydmann;13332823]YES, no I can confirm that it is a huge upgrade. He said my BD808S now looking like a good 909. That's not bad..?

It is very sharp, and there is no need for me to buy a digital PJ at the moment. And I also think it can be even sharper when I get the astig right.

I've been thinking of getting these mods but wasn't sure. Maybe now i will seriously think about getting them for my Bg808s. Heck if I can close to looking like a cine8/9 that would be great.:D

[QUOTE=lydmann;13332823]YES, no I can confirm that it is a huge upgrade. He said my BD808S now looking like a good 909. That's not bad..?

It is very sharp, and there is no need for me to buy a digital PJ at the moment. And I also think it can be even sharper when I get the astig right.

I've been thinking of getting these mods but wasn't sure. Maybe now i will seriously think about getting them for my Bg808s. Heck if I can close to looking like a cine8/9 that would be great.:D


Yeah, it is really amazing, and if you have new tubes, so do it, but if you have old sony tubes, then it can be a little soft. Ask Eisemann. I have mec tubes, and also a green P16LNQ tube, which make it even sharper.

Can Greg please answer about the issue with smart cable? Do you have to remove the shield above the lido cards?

Greg, I'm interested in these mods but the constant changes puts me off ordering. Was there ever a version 8??

I really would like a final version available before I order as I said via email. I really don't want to keep taking boards out to send to the USA to get the upgrades. It makes me feel like a beta tester of a product at times.

Greg, I'm interested in these mods but the constant changes puts me off ordering. Was there ever a version 8??

I really would like a final version available before I order as I said via email. I really don't want to keep taking boards out to send to the USA to get the upgrades. It makes me feel like a beta tester of a product at times.

thats hard to do sometimes when your always waiting for the leatest greatest thing. Some times you have to be happy with what you have and forget about it. Also when upgrading boards the chip makers are also improving thier chips so the board moders are also caught up in the latest greatest new chips try them out and maybe come up with more improvements. So there comes a point when you have to decide hwen what I have now is good enough for me. If you cant live with that then you will either wait forever for the latest product and miss out now on something very very good or keep sending back your boards for the latest upgrades. I too have this problem but am learning to calm down and accept what I have is great and not worry what the other guy has thats better than mine.

Athanasios

I really would like a final version available before I order as I said via email. I really don't want to keep taking boards out to send to the USA to get the upgrades. It makes me feel like a beta tester of a product at times.


FOR many reasons anybody modding boards or buying mods from somebody should really buy an extra set of boards to mod , then they are not out of a working projector for what can be months and months.
I have seen people wait five months for a mod only to get it and there is a slight problemwith it, then, two months later a repair .

Bruce

Greg, I'm interested in these mods but the constant changes puts me off ordering. Was there ever a version 8??

I really would like a final version available before I order as I said via email. I really don't want to keep taking boards out to send to the USA to get the upgrades. It makes me feel like a beta tester of a product at times.

This is not correct, the v7 have been there for a long time and it is completed, there is not needed for further upgrade if you dont want to. It is very stable and the work is done very proffesonally.

We should not complain that it came new upgrade to this dying product that CRT are. We should salute them who does these CRT mods, without them, the crt would been even more dead than it is allready. So thanks to all of you who use your time to make these nice PJ even better.

This is not correct, the v7 have been there for a long time and it is completed, there is not needed for further upgrade if you dont want to. It is very stable and the work is done very proffesonally.

We should not complain that it came new upgrade to this dying product that CRT are. We should salute them who does these CRT mods, without them, the crt would been even more dead than it is allready. So thanks to all of you who use your time to make these nice PJ even better.

I Agree, the mods of Mike Parker, Moome's hdmi card. gregs mods he Hi-rez mods are all appreciated , but if you ever are waiting for the ultimate mod to happen you will not get it because they are always changing and evolving. So get this mod now and worry a few years from now if there might be anything better.

Athansios

Even after ten years of fooling with my Bg808, I still rate as an amateur, just wanting to watch movies, sports, on shows in the best looking big screen picture I can jam into my multi-purpose living room. The digital age was beginning to leave me behind, and I had technical and other problems with HDFury and Moome's box. I began to seriously consider digital projection. But finally I decided to give Greg Eisemann's v7 mods a try, and WOW! With the cards right back in the projector, no adjustments, my untrained but fussy eye said brighter, sharper, deeper. My PS3 said, okay, now I will give you 1080P! My Toshiba HD-A2 said, okay, now I will actually show a picture again! I am still working on tweaking the picture, no small feat for me, and will be looking for a new screen.

Greg's service was also great. When I did just the DVI card, he swapped out one of his so I didn't have to wait. When I went back 3 months later for the full mod, he held the old price. And when he found an existing problem with one of my cards, he swapped it at no charge. He has been responsive and helpful in the setup as well. Very worth the cost, in my opinion, especially since my alternative was a digital projector.

HI

A few of my customers said they were posting on AVS. Its been months since I have been on here and need to get back to this forum. I wanted to say thanks for the support over the years.

When I first started doing mods I didn't think I would run out of batches of bulk orders of 500 or 1000 caps from mouser and I didn't think there were that many Barco Projectors to modify. Lets face it Barco units are getting old now and they need lots of improvements. The new Chips I am getting in are amazing with low noise levels and much better BW.

From the very first V1 mod I did to now the current V10.

V1 and V2 were just simple cap replacements and minor component changes and not that many people purchased as the improvements were minor aprox 10-35% better picture. The new V10 mods take 2 days to complete and has fantastic gains. It was funny I was telling people I could not go out over a weekend because I was having a MOD A THON had to complete orders that were backed up because my assistant that helps me was away.

I have products for 909, 1209, 1209s, 808, 808s, 1200, 800, 801s.

My new mods make a 808 sharper than a 909.

IF you have any questions please let me know I will try to check this forum from time to time.

GREG

Greg, have you ever examined a G90?

HI

A few of my customers said they were posting on AVS. Its been months since I have been on here and need to get back to this forum. I wanted to say thanks for the support over the years.

When I first started doing mods I didn't think I would run out of batches of bulk orders of 500 or 1000 caps from mouser and I didn't think there were that many Barco Projectors to modify. Lets face it Barco units are getting old now and they need lots of improvements. The new Chips I am getting in are amazing with low noise levels and much better BW.

From the very first V1 mod I did to now the current V10.

V1 and V2 were just simple cap replacements and minor component changes and not that many people purchased as the improvements were minor aprox 10-35% better picture. The new V10 mods take 2 days to complete and has fantastic gains. It was funny I was telling people I could not go out over a weekend because I was having a MOD A THON had to complete orders that were backed up because my assistant that helps me was away.

I have products for 909, 1209, 1209s, 808, 808s, 1200, 800, 801s.

My new mods make a 808 sharper than a 909.

IF you have any questions please let me know I will try to check this forum from time to time.

GREG

What is new in V10?

HI

My new mods make a 808 sharper than a 909.

GREG


so I can downgrade to an 8" ? :rolleyes:


Michael

What type of projector do you have now?

I can tell you what to expect from the mods and what we have avail for the model you have.

Yes it realy is sharper. I can send out a set of boards and all we do is charge your card for them.

If you dont see the vast difference you can just return for a full refund.
G

My new mods make a 808 sharper than a 909.
C'mon Greg. We all know that's a physical impossibility.

An 8" tube machine with sub-par HD-8 lenses, 4-pole magnets, and 75Mhz bandwidth sharper than a 9" machine with high-end HFQ-900 lenses, 6-pole magnetics, 180Mhz bandwidth with 3200x2560 addressability?

Nobody questions that your mods will improve an existing chassis, but claims like that are just plain silly. Like saying some sort of engine mods will make a Chevy Cavalier a better performer than a Ferrari.

(And before Greg complains that I have vested interest in this as he always does, I have nothing to do with any other mod programs. Yes, I built Mike Parker's website back when Mike used to do Barco mods, but that's long gone and Mike no longer does any Barco mods at all).

Kal

so I can downgrade to an 8" ? :rolleyes:


Michael

No need for that - you can also make that BR909 sharper than the BR912 so there you go - scanlines at 1600p ;)

@Greg: These claims do not help your reputation, they come off as too much hyperbole and as Kal pointed out: The 909 will always have bigger tubes and better lenses - very hard to get around that.

But if there is any interest in it: I always have a stock 909 on hand and if you like I can also get an 808 with good tubes, put your boards in and compare it to the stock 909, I am sure that many 808 owners would like to know :)

No need for that - you can also make that BR909 sharper than the BR912 so there you go - scanlines at 1600p ;)

@Greg: These claims do not help your reputation, they come off as too much hyperbole and as Kal pointed out: The 909 will always have bigger tubes and better lenses - very hard to get around that.

But if there is any interest in it: I always have a stock 909 on hand and if you like I can also get an 808 with good tubes, put your boards in and compare it to the stock 909, I am sure that many 808 owners would like to know :)

I bet he'd send you a set and only charge you shipping.

Athanasios

Kal and all other who are saying that Greg lying, it is thru that 808 can beat a 909. My local barco tech. that worked about 20 years for barco as repairing and install tech of barco crt projectors was stunned of my picture on the bd808s. He said now it's look like a really good 909, and he have seen some 909 in his lifetime... I have standard mec tubes, but a new p16lnq green tube. with p16 on all tubes will the result be even better.

You guys are funny! you have misunderstood what I said let me try to explain better now that I have time to write a little article:

Its true I had had many people tell me after the mods there 8 inch looks better than their friends 909. It’s all on a quantifiable level that you do judgments. The projector calibrations and what type of source.

I have seen sharpness levels out of a 8-inch that would easily be better than a 9 inch with the right back end amps and my DVI board.

A 9-inch however has LC so you avoid Halo effect and you also have better convergence control on a 909.

Raster maxing is also an important factor. I have been to many folks homes that have a 9 inch with a 7 inch raster saying that oh I have to put the projector here. So there are a lot of factors before everyone gets bent out of shape.

So where absolute sharpness is one test there are others that some would argue are other factors of the perfect picture. Contrast ratio is one too with LC. Lens quality also affects the picture but less so than people think. The tube quality and the RGB BW affect the picture the most. From my experience an 8 inch tube also has a more difficult time converging correctly. The 9 inch tube is a larger surface area and better glass and its easer to converge with less point convergence and therefore you tend to have less drift. I could go on between the differences between a 8 inch and 9 inch but it take too many paragraphs and people would get tired of reading :)

I have seen the HD-8 REV B lens with a p16 tube and mods be much sharper than a 9 inch yes but thats not every factor of a picture. Every barco from the 1209s to 909 and I can supply the schematics have the same chip sets on the switcher and same RGB drivers output cards. Part numbers change the circuits did not.

Barco didn't reinvent the video chain on the 909 they actually made it cheaper in many cases. The neck cards were the only item they improved the BW but the back end was identical to a 1209s. Thats where the real short comings were in the 808s and 1209s

Now with the 909 mods wow what a picture. I have a full set of 909 mods too.

Andy H is going to get a set and do a review for the people who are skeptics.

Reviews here of some of the people who got the mod.

http://www.eisemann-theater.com/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=78&op=page&SubMenu=

Andy H is going to get a set and do a review for the people who are skeptics.

Awesome, did you send him two sets for his blend set up Greg?
I know i keep asking you about the Marquee Mods but how are those?
Have you spent any more time with them?

Athanasios

I'm not saying Greg's lying, I and other have issues only with this one statement:

"My new mods make a 808 sharper than a 909."

You guys are funny! you have misunderstood what I said...No we haven't Greg. You said:

"My new mods make a 808 sharper than a 909."

That's the only part of your post that I quoted, it's the only part that I referenced. That's all we're talking about here. Nobody's argueing that sharpness isn't the only thing that makes a good picture (it's actually one of the least important ones actually IMHO - contrast ratio, colours, greyscale, etc. are all more important. Your mods will help with many of these course).

Raster maxing is also an important factor. I have been to many folks homes that have a 9 inch with a 7 inch raster saying that oh I have to put the projector here. So there are a lot of factors before everyone gets bent out of shape.That is very true, but not what I commented on. Proper setup is crucial but that's besides the point. Are you changing your statement now to say that 'a well set up 8" machine will my mods will be sharper than a poorly set up 909 machine' ? I agree completely but that's not what you said. Again, you said:

"My new mods make a 808 sharper than a 909."

Where in that statement does it say that the 909 has to be set up poorly?

So where absolute sharpness is one test there are others that some would argue are other factors of the perfect picture. Contrast ratio is one too with LC. Lens quality also affects the picture but less so than people think. The tube quality and the RGB BW affect the picture the most....Agreed. But again Greg, I'm an engineer like yourself and your statement was:

"My new mods make a 808 sharper than a 909."

It's a black and white statement. We're not talking about all the other things that make a nice engaging picture. There are many factors as you know and your mods will help with many of those factors. Are you adding caveats to your statement now about a 808 with your mods being sharper than a 909?

I have seen the HD-8 REV B lens with a p16 tube and mods be much sharper than a 9 inch yes but thats not every factor of a picture.Nobody ever said it was. Again, the only issue I have is with your one statement which is:

"My new mods make a 808 sharper than a 909."

You seem to not understand this. In my comment I quoted this ONE LINE and I said why THIS ONE statement could not possibly be true. Your response is about something completely different, about how many factors are important to a good picture quality. That's true, but not relevant.

Andy H is going to get a set and do a review for the people who are skeptics.
No sceptics here. I have no doubt your mods improve the picture quality, I just have issue with:

"My new mods make a 808 sharper than a 909."

Feel free to respond and talk about something else totally unrelated now. :rolleyes:

Kal

Kal and all other who are saying that Greg lying, it is thru that 808 can beat a 909. My local barco tech. that worked about 20 years for barco as repairing and install tech of barco crt projectors was stunned of my picture on the bd808s. He said now it's look like a really good 909, and he have seen some 909 in his lifetime... I have standard mec tubes, but a new p16lnq green tube. with p16 on all tubes will the result be even better.Sorry, but exactly where did I say that a 808 can't beat a 909? All I said was that there's NO WAY an 808 can be SHARPER than a 909!

Kal

To sum it up


With a good set of P16 tubes in a 808 ,with my mods, and with the proper setup on both. I can achieve a better center, mid center focus and resolution than a 909.

Trust me I have done hours and hours of testing.

Far corners focus where the LC better lenses help, convergence control, better software, and LC contrast ratio are other factors that the stock 909 is better.


So with the one respect of just sharpness the 808 can be made sharper than a 909 in its stock form.

A modified 909 will be better than a modified 808 .

The 909 is not a "Super CRT" as I have sold many and worked on many. I prefer some of the older models after the mods in a lot of cases.

Major problems before you consider a 909

-Convergance slop bad caps in the main output boards
-Power supply problems again bad caps
-Very noisey fans ( Requires fan mods)
-Cheap case easly cracks expensive to replace too
-Chasis flex not forgiving under bad treatment. Metal is made cheaper.
-Parts are over 3k per board used parts are not Aval
-Noisey pictures power mains not filtered as well as 12xx series neesd mods to correct noise in picture.
-A lot of the simulation contrast modulation and other factors actually lower the BW and make picture worse.
-6 pole magnetics really dont help sharpness that much because the RGB preamp BW is not that great.
-You need to add color correction to get the best picture.


+ of 909

-Excellent control of convergance many areas to adjust
-Digital convergance
-Great Neck cards final RGB BW is excellent
-Realibality of the projector is typically good compaired to older barco units because its newer.
-My AF contract where I service 50 of them they are getting more and more issus as the clock adds up. I have been doing more -board repairs on 909s as of late.



I hope that resolves all the questions.

Greg

Reposting as you keep having to defend yourself:

Andy H is going to get a set and do a review for the people who are skeptics.

Awesome, did you send him two sets for his blend set up Greg?
I know i keep asking you about the Marquee Mods but how are those?
Have you spent any more time with them?

Athanasios

I was actually in London 2 years ago at a farm borough air show and have seen Andy's home theater.

It was impressive he had 2 1209s projectors and recently got two 909s. Andy is a master of audio and video.

One of the smartest Barco guys I know so if you want to purchase from him as he has a lot of Barcos in stock and a lot of barco parts.

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Audio-Visual-Dreamland_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ0QQftidZ2QQpZ2QQtZkm


I am not sure where he got the 909 projectors. They are very scarce and hard to get.

Maybe if Andy is reading this he can tell us? I bet he wont revel his source.

:)
G

Yeah I was suppose to meet him last december but couldnt find the time, I had a few days in London. But back to the Marquee mods you have on the web site, have you done any more looking into a new version for them? Just curious.

Athanasios

As soon as I can drive to the post office I am shipping 909 cards to Greg for modification. (Had surgery on arm)

HDMI input cards, stability mods, power mods and a few others I have spoken to Greg about.

I will of course post my findings, I have used many of Gregs modifications in the past and always been happy.

The 909's I use here in my main system are low hour units 1000hr, I have always modified 10,000hr+ 1209s units in the past, So these 909 mods will be a real test on Greg's mods.

If you have a 1209 or 1209/2 then ask Greg about mods for that, I have one here but only one so no good for my blend system, Greg and others I have spoken too all like the way the neck cards on the 1209 1209/2 units are built, and the ability to modify them, I prefer the 1209s cpu but you cant have everything..........the 909 cpu is better still.

Hi Greg,

I'm curious to know how the "simulation contrast modulation" would lower the BW.

[QUOTE=geisemann;14831242I am not sure where he got the 909 projectors. They are very scarce and hard to get
[/QUOTE]

not really, they pop up all over Europe in the last 2 years.


and pretty cheap too


Michael

I sell the 909 projectors faster than I can keep them in.

They sell from 5k to 25k depending on condition and hours.

I sold 2 semi new ones for 20k each but that was with color correction and heavy fan and electronic BW mods.

Contrast modulation lowers BW because it affects the picture control it has to go though another set of chips. Every chip you modify the picture with lower the sharpness and BW.

IE. In electohome its recommend to take out this module.

If you have a blending setup you will need to keep this function.

I hope this helps.

Hi Greg,

I can't comment on the Ehome units, but on the newer Barcos the contrast modulation circuitry has nothing to do with or any effect on decreasing the BW on the video boards, in this case it would be the RGB driver board.

HINT::

It depends on the port with out reveling the mod.

If you look carefully on the schematic.

Notice Port 5 vs Port 3.

There are various items on port 5 that are in chain with the video signal before it hits the first stage of the HT1100.

This is in the switcher and if you remove this you add clarity.

Sorry dont have more time to post pictures and schematics.

If I get a chance later this month I can post some do-it- your self up grades.

Right now just trying to get some of my shop normalized and cleaned as its turned into a great nightmare of wires, tubes and parts and cant find anything.

I should post a picture of my mod shop it has 4 layers of parts on the benches from all the crt work. I have to have a huge ebay sale of all the junk soon.

I have 1209, 1208,1208s ehome 8500, 9500

Lots of nice units. Nice tubes

Please email me if you want some almost new 1209s or 909 tubes. Let them go cheap

Please no emails on avs forum its overloaded and send to my website.

G

Hi Greg,

The switcher board has nothing to do with the contrast modulation circuitry which is what we were talking about to start with.

Well I will let you have a few secrets I do in the mods.

Look at the input there are various items in the path of port 5 you can remove.

R211 Line Doubler
R201 RGB in
R206 Matrix
R205 Matrix -

All in the path of the port 5.


I will post some schematics to show you what to do when I have time.

The switcher has a lot to do with a lot of features if you look at it carefully.

Contrast modulation will affect items more on the RGB driver

Take W5, W4, W3 and reconnect and pull the soft edgue module out.

Change out C611 and ass on all channels they used 10 uf on the S and got cheap on the 909 put in 4.7 the schematics say 10 uf but the boards they downgraded.

Remove all HFA1100 opamps and change out with higher BW

That should help for now. I will post more later when I have time.

Sorry I am cryptic just I am overloaded at this time of the year.

Please email me for tubes not on this website
Greg

HI Greg,

Assuming you're posting for my benifit, not one thing you just posted is news to me, those are very obvious to anyone.
If you really want to improve port 5 you should be doing more than just the few changes you mentioned.

Yes like I was saying earlier, the contrast circuits are on the RGB driver board, so how does the switcher board affect them?

Just like the soft edge board has no effect on BW either. Of course you don't need the board in unless you're running 2 PJs and are edge blending them.

Lets get to fixing the left side ringing, now that is something I've been asking you for the last year.
Come on Greg!

CRT is a luxury hobbie and when the economy goes south so does furniture, home theater automobiles etc.

Well since the stock market has significantly reduced what now 7k?

My mod sales are slowing down and in the summer, when normally home theater dies and one never sells anything, I was selling like crazy. Everyone writes back that the dollar now is higher or they have lost to much. I might start posting on ebay to sell parts, something I have not done for years now to sell off some inventory as its getting out of hand to have so much junk. I have 3k of mod parts right now in CAPS, transistors and ICs and I dont want the caps to age too much. Like to keep the caps fresh but if you bulk order over quantity 300 you save a lot.


I am having a mod sale now FYI::

So I cant release too much or everyone here might never buy from me. I did get some new chips in for Barco so working on V11 now of the Barco mods. Some of these mods took a long time to develop many hours in the "Cave"

Oh horz ring mod. Yes I have that documented!! Sorry about not getting to you on that. Ok I will post on here but its not super easy fix so I will share that next week. Keep hurrassing me I will get that on here next week when I have some time. I am working for the weekend. I would have to take photos of the mod because its a little complex with the wiring and harmonics.

I But I do have a huge amount of tubes projectors and parts !!! cheap!

Hi Greg,

I like you have an over abundance of mod parts laying around as well, I don't care much if I use them or not. I bought lots different parts to develope the mods for my cine8 onyx as well as do work for Moome and other things. The only thing left that needs attention is the left side ringing.

The parts don't bother me its the Premade HDMI boards I have for my internal v10 HDMI card for barco.

They cost me some money to get them custom made.

Lucky its the only internal HDMI card in the world for barco and has a much better picture over external ones. So they have been selling well.

I am giving a free HDMI card with every mod set now.

Greg

Hi Greg,

I can see your point with having custom made boards for your HDMI. I installed internally the latest Moome HDMI board and it works great, much much better than when it was being used externally. Of course I did some extra mods to it first.

Lucky its the only internal HDMI card in the world for barco and has a much better picture over external ones. So they have been selling well.
*sigh*

Greg, I thought your internal cards were not even HDMI 1.3 10/12 bit? I thought they were all based on 8 bit DVI (not even HDMI). So how can you possibly say that your internal HDMI 1.1/1.2 solution with 8bit processing looks better than *ALL* external solutions?

I also know for a fact that you have not ordered a Moome EXT-FULLHD HDMI 1.3 box, or the older EXT-HD, nor a Box1080, nor have you used an HDFury2 (as I just searched through all the orders and you're not in there). In fact, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these products!

Nobody here has problems with product comparisions. Be as brutal as you want. We all want to learn and analyze what's what. But to say blindly that yours is better TO ALL EXTERNAL solutions when you can't even have possibly used them all and probably haven't even heard of many of them is just pure unsubstantiated bull.

So stop saying you're solution is simply better than EVERYTHING else.

Instead, be specific as to why yours is better than each of these:
HDfury1
HDFury2
Moome EXT-HD
Moome EXT-FULLHD
Box 1080
and so on...
Be specific in your comparisons. This the AV SCIENCE forum. Science being the key word here. Saying that you're "better than the rest" isn't very scientific and helps nobody.

Yes, there are advantanges to going internal, but it doesn't automatically trump everything else just by being internal. If I remember correctly your internal is based on older DVI 8-bit solution like the original HDfury so it will have some drawbacks. Many of the new external products are HDMI 1.3 and 10/12 bit.

I can see how some of the externals could provide a better picture than your internal just based on those facts but I don't know for sure because I've never used your internal product so I cannot comment on it. (You should try the same approach).

Just the facts please. Leave the marketing bull at home.

Kal

*sigh*

Greg, I thought your internal cards were not even HDMI 1.3 10/12 bit? I thought they were all based on 8 bit DVI (not even HDMI). So how can you possibly say that your internal HDMI 1.1/1.2 solution with 8bit processing looks better than *ALL* external solutions?

I also know for a fact that you have not ordered a Moome EXT-FULLHD HDMI 1.3 box, or the older EXT-HD, nor a Box1080, nor have you used an HDFury2 (as I just searched through all the orders and you're not in there). In fact, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these products!

Nobody here has problems with product comparisions. Be as brutal as you want. We all want to learn and analyze what's what. But to say blindly that yours is better TO ALL EXTERNAL solutions when you can't even have possibly used them all and probably haven't even heard of many of them is just pure unsubstantiated bull.

So stop saying you're solution is simply better than EVERYTHING else.

Instead, be specific as to why yours is better than each of these:
HDfury1
HDFury2
Moome EXT-HD
Moome EXT-FULLHD
Box 1080
and so on...
Be specific in your comparisons. This the AV SCIENCE forum. Science being the key word here. Saying that you're "better than the rest" isn't very scientific and helps nobody.

Yes, there are advantanges to going internal, but it doesn't automatically trump everything else just by being internal. If I remember correctly your internal is based on older DVI 8-bit solution like the original HDfury so it will have some drawbacks. Many of the new external products are HDMI 1.3 and 10/12 bit.

I can see how some of the externals could provide a better picture than your internal just based on those facts but I don't know for sure because I've never used your internal product so I cannot comment on it. (You should try the same approach).

Just the facts please. Leave the marketing bull at home.

Kal

Hear Hear!! It's really annoying to keep reading these self-promoting monologs on these open forum threads, based on unsubstantiated data, and a whole lot of misguided suppostion. LETS SEE THE EVIDENCE!!!

Ahh yes I forgot Gregs are only DVI 8 bit units and not HDMI, good points Kal.

Just so everyone knows Kal and Walter work tougher on the other guys site to make kick backs on products. I would never recommend a product (external DVI for barco) that is not quality just to make money. External converters no matter how good people tell you are not good at all.

Infact I have had a lot of complains on the HD infuriated product.

They are always saying there External products are better than anyone else to sell you the IKEA of the world.

The facts are I am on V10 of my mods and have not used the V1 interface for a very long time. You need to update your references. The new chips I am using are new 1.3.

The external boxes that other people sell Kal and Walter suffer terrible from the the signals going through the PCB noise chassis and also the input transistors that buffer the signal.

There have been tests to show that there is more noise with external boxes


There was even a review done of one of my early cards showing its advantage over the furry and other external boxes.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=958382

Greg,

First off if you're going slam a guy get your facts straight for gods sake!

I don't work for any site let alone work with Kal or get any kick backs as you call them. I have done some design work for one of the product lines out there, so what, so have alot of people worked for others on this type of product. I wasn't bashing your product(s). Really I couldn't give 2 sh!ts about your products or what you use in them or how good you say they are or who has tested them against XYZ brand, I'm not in business against you or anyone else, I DON'T HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN ANY PRODUCTS THAT COMPETE WITH YOU PERIOD!

Reviews are a dime a dozen and there are as many opinions as there are a-holes, everyone has one. So to say someone did reviews of yours against some ones elses doesn't mean sh!t. Only the nieve people go for those types of reviews, come on Greg wakeup.

My personal preference would be to have an internal HDMI/RGB board which is what I have in my unit how and yes I think it performs better than having an external board.

Again with the lack of references Greg...

External converters no matter how good people tell you are not good at all.
Please provide a reference proving that all external converters are "not good at all". This is the AV Science site. Facts, not conjecture please.

They are always saying there External products are better than anyone else...
Reference? This is the AV Science site. Facts, not conjecture please.


The external boxes that other people sell Kal and Walter suffer terrible from the the signals going through the PCB noise chassis and also the input transistors that buffer the signal.
Reference? I listed a half a dozen products Greg. This is the AV Science site. Facts, not conjecture please.

There have been tests to show that there is more noise with external boxes
Great! What's the reference that shows that *all* external boxes have more noise Greg? This is the AV Science site. Facts, not conjecture please.

There was even a review done of one of my early cards showing its advantage over the furry and other external boxes.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=958382
Aha! Finally something with MEAT! Ok, so this review from a year ago compares $800 Greg's card to the $99 HDfury and Greg's card is better. That's good and hopefully expected considering it's x8 times the price.

But what about the other external solutions how do they compare? The reviewer mentions he's also tried the older Moome EXT-HD and the Spatz box but doesn't really compare Greg's card to those. Instead he focuses solely on the HDfury vs Greg card. He can't have tried the newer HDFury2, Moome EXT-FULLHD, Box 1080, plus a few others as they weren't even out when the review was written a year ago.

This is all fine of course. Oliver's review is good and appreciated, but Greg seem to have a problem when someone compares his product to another where to him it automatically means that all other existing and possible future products are automatically not good either. As someone who's up to what, v96 of your Barco mods you must realize that technology marches on and stating that something is better than *ALL* other solutions and will *ALWAYS* be better than anything that comes out regardless of space and time is well, a bit silly.

Greg, I keep telling myself I'm not going to fall for your troll posts but I keep responding (my bad).

I have never in my life said that your products are not good. I'm simply asking for FACTS on why you repeatedly use the blanket statements like "my products are better than absolutely everything else out there".

Go out and buy some of these other products and write an in-depth review of them critiquing them and explain why yours is better. Be brutal, be honest. We would all love it. That would be great and would help EVERYONE advance this hobby. But instead you just keep making endless revision after revision to your products and state that it's automically better than anything and everything else that exists and may exist without proof.

You'd sell more products if your statements were founded in logic.

To everyone looking at producing new products not yet on the market: You might as well give up. Your products will never be any better than Greg's as he has stated that his is automatically better than anything else. He's obviously tried them all, including those that aren't even invented yet. :rolleyes:

Kal

The reason is we are reinventing the projector from the inside.

Our DVI card has never been $800.00 its free with the 6 and 7 board mod set.

Making improvements to components inside with the full 6 and 7 board set that no matter how good the external device converter or source is you are still dealing with 20 year old technology inside with lower BW.

You have to improve the inside before you do anything externally.

Its like connecting a Furry to a old BW TV the components in the old tv are the same.

If you put a color tube in the inside of the set add color croma circuits and color amps then you make the picture better.

I hope that helps :)

But what about the other external solutions how do they compare? The reviewer mentions he's also tried the older Moome EXT-HD and the Spatz box but doesn't really compare Greg's card to those.

Just for clarification: There was no need to test against them all as the HDFury was the best of the three, both the other solutions were not as good and the Fury was the preferred solution at the time. The internal DVI input was clearly an improvement over the Fury.

Speaking of other solutions did you get around to test the HDFury2 yet ?

Oliver

Time to close this down.