Hey Guys,

I'm on the fence between two new receivers and am trying to figure out the video processing capabilities of each; one uses Anchor Bay Technologies' ABT1010 chip and one uses the Faroudja® DCDi chip for video processing.

My question is, which one does a better job at producing/processing video?

I would be running primarily HDMI In-> HDMI Out for video, and I think the two receivers I am looking at do mainly pass-through for HDMI. However, I will also be running a component in -> HDMI out signal and will be looking for upconverting to 1080 from 480/720.

Any thoughts on which chip set has been producing the best images?

I thought the ABT1010 was just a scaler... I mean, all it does it the upconversion part... where as the DCDi is a deinterlacer...

ABT's deinterlacing chip is the ABT102, I believe, so aren't you comparing two totally different things?

ABT's deinterlacing chip is the ABT102, I believe, so aren't you comparing two totally different things?
Bingo.

The two ABT integrated scaling chips that include de-interlacing are the 1018 (http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/semiconductors/abt1018.php) and 2010 (http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/semiconductors/abt2010.php). The 1010 (http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/semiconductors/abt1010.php) can be used in conjunction with the 102, as an example in the upcoming Oppo 983 (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cd-dvd-player-product-reviews/dvd-players/oppo-digital-dv-983h-dvd-player---a-secrets-dvd-benchmark-review.html), but without the 102 the 1010 is strictly a scaling chip.

I thought the ABT1010 was just a scaler... I mean, all it does it the upconversion part... where as the DCDi is a deinterlacer...

ABT's deinterlacing chip is the ABT102, I believe, so aren't you comparing two totally different things?

I think you're right. I wasn't sure. So if that's the case, and the 3800 uses the 1010 for scaling (upconverting), what deinterlacing chip does it use and how does that compare to the DCDi chip?

I guess what I'm really asking is if Yamaha is using the ABT chips for video, how do they compare to the Faroudja chips?

Apologies for the n00b-like question; just trying to figure this AVR video processing thing out before I drop $$$ on a new AVR.

Appreciate the help.

ABT kills Faroudja IMHO

-Gary

ABT kills Faroudja IMHO

-Gary

AND, doesnt cause macroblocking!:eek:

exactly

-Gary

Bingo.

The two ABT integrated scaling chips that include de-interlacing are the 1018 (http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/semiconductors/abt1018.php) and 2010 (http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/semiconductors/abt2010.php). The 1010 (http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/semiconductors/abt1010.php) can be used in conjunction with the 102, as an example in the upcoming Oppo 983 (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cd-dvd-player-product-reviews/dvd-players/oppo-digital-dv-983h-dvd-player---a-secrets-dvd-benchmark-review.html), but without the 102 the 1010 is strictly a scaling chip.The 1018 does not include a deinterlacer. You have to go to the 2010 for that.

- Dale Adams

Its pretty obvious that ABT kills the DCDi tech, but what about Genesis (Faroudja) Torino chip which was released?

don't know that because I haven't seen it(Torino) yet

ABT has delivered the goods with deinterlacing IMHO, it is the only thing I have seen that can handle (and well I might add) the best sport in the world, hockey, which is a total mess on most systems :mad:

-Gary

don't know that because I haven't seen it(Torino) yet

ABT has delivered the goods with deinterlacing IMHO, it is the only thing I have seen that can handle (and well I might add) the best sport in the world, hockey, which is a total mess on most systems :mad:

-Gary

You like it better than the T2-400 Realta?

The 1018 does not include a deinterlacer. You have to go to the 2010 for that.

- Dale Adams
Dale, thanks for the correction!

ABT kills Faroudja IMHO

-Gary

AND, doesnt cause macroblocking!:eek:

Thanks guys...so between 2 similar AVRs, one using ABT and one using Faroudja for video processing, it sounds like the ABT chip AVR is the one to go with (IYHO ;) )?

don't know that because I haven't seen it(Torino) yet

ABT has delivered the goods with deinterlacing IMHO, it is the only thing I have seen that can handle (and well I might add) the best sport in the world, hockey, which is a total mess on most systems :mad:

-Gary

I only know of one Torino implimentation coming out soon (LMC-2) and it may be a bit b/f we see some worth while reviews on its implimentation.

Just ran across this...

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DCDi TM (Directional Correlational Deinterlacing)
Invented and patented by Faroudja, Directional Correlational De interlacing (DCDi), virtually alleviates jagged oblique lines that appear when standard interlaced video is viewed on progressive scan displays, enabling the reproduction of beautiful, natural-looking moving images.
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So, does that mean that if I'm running a standard 480i signal and upconverting it to a 1080i display, that I wouldn't see any benefit to having a "deinterlacer"?

So, does that mean that if I'm running a standard 480i signal and upconverting it to a 1080i display, that I wouldn't see any benefit to having a "deinterlacer"?

I've always wondered about that. I have a progressive display now, so I have never had the chance to try it.

I'd assume if you're taking 480i and upscaling it to 1080i, for a display that's natively interlaced, you can leave the deinterlacing part out of it and just upscale each field... for the best visual quality...

I really don't know if taking a 480i image, deinterlacing it into a progressive image while adding detail (480p), upscaling that processed to 1080p, and then reinterlacing it to 1080i is better than just upscaling the 480i to 1080i directly on a natively interlaced display...

DCDi is quite an aging processor. Haven't really seen any major improvements to it in the last few years.

I am not very up to speed on implementations and such, but what Ofer said should be taken to heed, I would steer clear of DCDi stuff at this point in time, go for ABT or HQV like a Realta ;)

-Gary

What about a less expensive receiver feeding the video you want to a Realta-based unit like the Gefen HTS-PRO? Granted, the Gefen's performance is just speculation at this point, but it looks good on paper! I loved the sound of my old Yamaha (better than the HK I used to own, and the Onkyo I currently own). I'm just wondering if a split approach might offer better results at a similar price point? I should have my new Marantz SR-8001 and the Gefen unit soon, so I will be able to offer more of an opinion then. Good luck whatever you decide.

I have a bad feeling that the Gefen TV Scaler is going to be a prime example of how prime technology, if not implemented correctly, ends up being worse than 5 year old tech. that was done well...I REALLY hope I'm wrong as I want one though.