green coloured C-element for a PT18 tube
red coloured C-element for a P16LNP tube

(BarcoData808s)

Vdc has only for 9" tubes

http://www.hammerheadtech.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=11303&czuid=1205245736374
Red seem to be out of stock.

3M might have those aswell, least they have 9".
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Vikuiti1/BrandProducts/secondary/customersupport/

What color are you looking for?

What color are you looking for?

green and red

I called vdc a little over a month ago and they said they had colored c elements for the 8" p16lnp's and that it was going to cost a hundred for each element!! :( If they don't have them that frys part of my plans!!!!

I called vdc a little over a month ago and they said they had colored c elements for the 8" p16lnp's and that it was going to cost a hundred for each element!! :( If they don't have them that frys part of my plans!!!!

Mailed them yesterday and they only have 9" for 150$ a piece

Does every c-element fit on every tube as long the size is the same ?

So there's no way to have a color corrected Marquee 8500LC? The only way is either a 9" 9000LC or higher, or a 8500 with color corrected HD144s? :(

The 8500LC uses the 9" C-elements and HD10 series of lenses.

Chris.

Hd 144 plus the adapter plate is needed. Lenses are about 175 to 275 you have to shop around and the adapter plates are about 200. I have the old style plates and made another set for my second Marquee. They do make a diference with deeper reds , For some reason i dont like having the green in, but I probably need a pro to come and calibrate. but they are a great adition to the marquee 8 inchers and you get to put the projector a bit closer to the screen.

Athanasios

There is a set of LC tubes fro a marqee 8500 for sale all you would need then is the mounting plates.Top And Bottom.

Athanasios

yep it is but i am sure you can find a decent one somewhere.

I was thinking of getting them and maybe selling my HD 144's with the plates all mounted as is.

Athanasios

I have never done it but you have to remove all the LC housing and strip the old tube and then mount the new tube. I gues its a beauch to do and most send them to VDC to install the new tube to the LC housing. But i am a DIY'er and thought i'd give it a try some time.

But then i'd need another set for my second PJ and not in the mood to do that yet. Maybe after i set up my blend and see how it goes. I might not want the blend and go with a single pj.

Atanasios

AT this point I would go with a 9500LC over an 8500LC .

First off those tubes are toast and you can only guess how many hours are on them, not to mention you need to buy a 8500 then find mounting plates then go through all the work of rebuilding the projector .
Ironically if you were to try and re-tube a 8500LC you would pay more than retubing a 9500LC . A 8500LC that needs tubes is a complete backward step.

Bruce

So both green and red are color filtered to SMTPE-C? What's the difference in price between the 8500LC and 8500 with color filtered HD145s?Red is not filtered originally.

please stay on topic

If VDC does not have 8" LC elements, the only way to get them is to find dead LC tubes from an XGLC or Sony G70 and strip the C elements from them.

Hammerhead has six used BUT like new Green right now for 55 bucks and if you Called him He might have other colours, his stock is always changing .

Bruce

If VDC does not have 8" LC elements, the only way to get them is to find dead LC tubes from an XGLC or Sony G70 and strip the C elements from them.

I've been told that the c-elements of G70 don't fit on my tubes.

OK, wait, if it's a non LC set, then there are NO C elements for you. You'd need to tint the glycol or put color gels in front of the tube.

OK, wait, if it's a non LC set, then there are NO C elements for you. You'd need to tint the glycol or put color gels in front of the tube.

Curt, they are lc.

green C-element for a PT18 tube
red C-element for a P16LNP tube

Curt, they are lc.

(BarcoData808s)

ARE you sure? do you have pics ?
Have you called the guys I pmed you about for C elements ?


Bruce

ARE you sure? do you have pics ?
Have you called the guys I pmed you about for C elements ?


Bruce

I'm sure, its a lc with P16 tubes and hd117-24 lenses.

I was thinking of getting them and maybe selling my HD 144's with the plates all mounted as is.
Athanasios I bet the seller would offer a special deal for the good guys on this forum, like free shipping or maybe a free set of upper/lower mounting plates;)

AT this point I would go with a 9500LC over an 8500LC . First off those tubes are toast and you can only guess how many hours are on them, not to mention you need to buy a 8500 then find mounting plates then go through all the work of rebuilding the projector .
that's being kind of picky don't you think, a new green tube and red c-element is all that set really needs to throw an excellent pic.

Ironically if you were to try and re-tube a 8500LC you would pay more than retubing a 9500LC . Bruce say what? :confused:You can get a complete set of brand new 8" Marquee tubes from Terry F. For $1000., they are bare and ready to be glued into those LC housings. A set of new 9" tubes from VDC was around $3K last time I checked. So unless my math is really off, to go 9500Lc over 8500LC is 3 times as much money.:eek:

I bet the seller would offer a special deal for the good guys on this forum, like free shipping or maybe a free set of upper/lower mounting plates;)

That would be an ok deal for someone who already has a 8500 with good tubes and wanted to convert to LC


that's being kind of picky don't you think, a new green tube and red c-element is all that set really needs to throw an excellent pic.

say what? :confused:You can get a complete set of brand new 8" Marquee tubes from Terry F. For $1000., they are bare and ready to be glued into those LC housings. A set of new 9" tubes from VDC was around $3K last time I checked. So unless my math is really off, to go 9500Lc over 8500LC is 3 times as much money.:eek:


IN this one example yes You are right I was remembering when you bought complete set's of tubes with the lc housings on . The the 9500lc set was cheaper than the 8500lc set then .

But you are using low res 180dmb 8" bare tubes and comparing them to what vdc wants for new 9" tubes .

But With terry blowing this LAST set out and your set of housings you would be able to get an 8500LC with 180 DMB tubes . for 1500 bucks . providing you have an 8500 already.... inmo more of a sideways move .

If I was going to re tube an 8500 I would put in p16 tubes over 180dmb.

If you bought some used 9" 9 to9+ tubes from terry for around 1700 ,not 3000.

Bruce

PS
Sorry Charlez .... find any elements yet

Is it really worth the effort like Charlez is going through to get proper colored red and green C-Elements, over getting HD144/145 color filtered, when it's only an 8" set?

HD144/145 lenses aren't LC lenses and the tube's i'm using are hi-res

Is it really worth the effort like Charlez is going through to get proper colored red and green C-Elements, over getting HD144/145 color filtered,?charles has an LC machine, he can't use HD145's.
when it's only an 8" set? This comment make no sense, what difference does it make what size the tubes are? With color filtering you get perfect colors, without it you don't and that's true whether you have 5 inch tubes or 9".
BTW Charles, I have a Green C-element on a Sony G70 tube here. The G70 uses PT16 tubes so I don't know why someone told you they wouldn't fit?

Is it really worth the effort like Charlez is going through to get proper colored red and green C-Elements, over getting HD144/145 color filtered, when it's only an 8" set?

Yes it is worth it.
Colour filtering should be done no matter what size of tube or projector you use just like dragon said
But charlez machine is a Liquid coupled projector so the filtering process is using coloured C elements in front of the tube while YOUR projector was AC which means you either colour the Glycol in the tube or get a coloured filtered set of lenses like you have .

Does this make sense ?
Bruce

I meant, I'm torn between getting LC tubes like Charlez or getting a color filtered AC set. It looks like he's going to have one hell of a time getting those correct C-Elements. I can see if you're going 9", having LC tubes is a no brainer.


Those elements are fairly easy to get and cheap , He will find them. I believe LC is a worthwhile upgrade to image performance over AC no matter what size 8" or 9"

Bruce

I saw VDC's price was posted. But that seems like a lot for just pieces of plastic :D Those are optically flawless colored peace of plastic:D and have AR coating in outside surface.

VDC's $100 was fair price, since manufacturer (3M) was selling those for $150 that time.

Hello all,

I just scanned through this thread, so ignore this if it has already been covered. Charlez is correct in that he cannot use the C elements from a SonyG70 or an NEC... Those projectors use HD-18 lenses and his has hd117-24 lenses, which use a slightly different optical "perscription" than the former. Using the C elements from Sony/NEC will not allow proper focus in the corners. Unfortunately, 3M informed me there were no colored C elements available for the hd117-24 lenses, but they would gladly make them if you ordered a few hundred sets. (I forget if it was 200 or 300) YIKES!!! So, to go with colored C elements on his machine he would need to part with the hd117-24 lenses and use hd-18 lenses... (which requires a slight amount of modifying to fit properly.) Also need to change the clear C element on the blue when swapping to hd-18 lenses. Whew, sorry I drug this out a bit.

Adam

I didn't know before talking to you that even a G70 with its LC tubes has better color than my HD144 color filtered and corrected lenses. My understanding, and apparently its not correct, was HD144 color filtered lenses gave the same accuracy pertaining to color, just you didn't get as much haloing. So being as super picky as I am, even compared to my HD144 lenses I have, a set with proper red and green c-elements will be a noticeable difference. I'll be a much happier camper, even color wise with proper LCs?

Having LC does not give you better colors, having the correct lenses and C-elements make all the difference. All the LC gets you is better ANSI contrast (no more halo's around bright objects)

IMO I feel that the better contrast is more important than color and I would live with a non-filtered LC machine before I would go back to an AC machine with HD-144 lenses.

Erik :)

As far as I know there are no coloured C elements for the HD117 series lenses.

In 8" size they are ONLY available for HD-18 lenses (XG LC or G70). HD-117/214/etc will not focus with these C elements. Your only source is a donor tube.

In 9" size for HD-10 family of lenses you can get them from VDC (or not it appears..), or a donor tube (1292 for instance).