did anyone happen to get bee movie on hd dvd? i know i didnt find one

In before lock...

Mine still shows as "Not Yet Shipped" from Amazon.

Check Hollywood Video. ;)

No, I didn't get Bee Movie. After watching it I really didn't get why they wanted to spent so much time and money on such a mediocre movie. I just didn't get it at all. ;)

did anyone happen to get bee movie on hd dvd? i know i didnt find one

Use the search function, and you'll be rewarded with the main thread for Bee movie.;)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=964601

Damn my apologies, the main thread was locked! Why?

Anyway, a member of High Def Digest says he scored a copy at a Target store this morning.

Scroll to post #202.

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=46578&page=14

It looks like the thread got locked (I didn't do it) because some people just like to post crap anywhere and everywhere they go. Please talk about the HD-DVD disc now that it's out.

larry

checked my local target no luck... still hoping amazon comes threw if not ohwell...

Wasn't the HD DVD of Bee Movie cancelled?

Wasn't the HD DVD of Bee Movie cancelled?

I'm not sure if we're allowed to discuss the HD-DVD of Bee Movie anymore, so apologies in advance if I'm breaking an unannounced rule...

But, yes, it definitely seems like the disc was canceled or recalled. (If it was the latter, it seems really silly to not go ahead and sell the thing if it had already been pressed and packaged.)

It looks like the thread got locked (I didn't do it) because some people just like to post crap anywhere and everywhere they go. Please talk about the HD-DVD disc now that it's out.

larry


Thanks Larry.

Can we talk about trying to get it?

I just came back from my Frys Electronics store, and they showed they had 4 copies of it in store, 3 weeks back that were "recalled". So much for no discs being printed heh;)

Guess we'll see how many score this title in the next couple of days.

I really don't get the logic behind recalling the finished product. Even though the manufacturers only have a tiny fraction of cost involved with the production of these discs (compared to the near-Laserdisc prices that's often being asked at retail), they still have money invested. If Bee Movie was ready to be put on store shelves, then why not release it? There's been clearly enough interest in this disc that it would have sold well (at $35 or even $40 no less). That seems like a better option than doing a recall and losing money -- no matter how small the actual manufacturing investment was.

Guess we'll see how many score this title in the next couple of days.

I'm guessing not many legitimately through retailers, but a couple of dozen at outrageous prices on ebay.

I really don't get the logic behind recalling the finished product. Even though the manufacturers only have a tiny fraction of cost involved with the production of these discs (compared to the near-Laserdisc prices that's often being asked at retail), they still have money invested. If Bee Movie was ready to be put on store shelves, then why not release it? There's been clearly enough interest in this disc that it would have sold well (at $35 or even $40 no less). That seems like a better option than doing a recall and losing money -- no matter how small the actual manufacturing investment was.


Guess those BEE MOVIE discs will just get chewed up and recycled into SD DVD discs, then?

I wish this would of been released. Would of looked amazing in HD

Guess those BEE MOVIE discs will just get chewed up and recycled into SD DVD discs, then?

Or sold a few at a time on eBay for $100+ dollars each.

I really don't get the logic behind recalling the finished product. Even though the manufacturers only have a tiny fraction of cost involved with the production of these discs (compared to the near-Laserdisc prices that's often being asked at retail), they still have money invested. If Bee Movie was ready to be put on store shelves, then why not release it? There's been clearly enough interest in this disc that it would have sold well (at $35 or even $40 no less). That seems like a better option than doing a recall and losing money -- no matter how small the actual manufacturing investment was.

Unless there were incentives to not sell the movie, not saying that is the case but it is still a possibility especially if they were ready to be put on the shelves, does make you wonder.

Anyway, a member of High Def Digest says he scored a copy at a Target store this morning.



So, there is at least one store which didn't honor the recall/return request from Dreamworks. I am sure it was just an accident. There might be other stores, but not necessarily another Target.

There was already another thread on this but that thread was locked. The other thread does not appear to contain anything that would cause it to get locked. Does anyone know why the other thread ws locked? By the way, the other thread was not created by me.

None at my Hollywood Video
Anyone find it there?

There was already another thread on this but that thread was locked. The other thread does not appear to contain anything that would cause it to get locked. Does anyone know why the other thread ws locked? By the way, the other thread was not created by me.

When posts are deleted you can't see them. And if you would have read this thread you would have seen the reason why it was locked (well, the general reason).

Please, back to the Bee HD-DVD.

larry

I was in Zellers last night here in Ottawa, and they had a shelf sticker for the HD-DVD version. So I asked the guy putting out some discs if they had the HD-DVD version, and he replied "oh , the one in the little cases? Yes, they are in the back" I said to him that I thought they had been cancelled and he just gave me a puzzled look. I asked to see one and he said they can't bring them out till tommorow. I guess I will go in later today to see if they are there. I doubt it.

MDC

I checked the 2 HV around me and they didnt get them. I also checked BB and nope!

Amazon has yet to cancel my HD DVD order. Seems to me that they are still planning on releasing. Amazon is very quick to cancel.

Nothing at:

Target
Wal-mart
Sams Club
Best Buy
Toys R us

:mad:

Nothing at my Target either. Thanks for the Best Buy heads up - guess I won't be going there either.

i checked futureshop and best buy and they did not get them, the walmart in stoney creek said the hd bee movie would be in later this week because there was some delay with the company that sends them the movies. hmv still shows on ther order sheets that each store is getting 5 each, time will tell

Nothing at my Target either. Thanks for the Best Buy heads up - guess I won't be going there either.

I don't think there's necessarily a hard and fast rule here. I think we can now be reasonably certain it was cancelled and recalled, but some stores may not have gotten the memo (or chosen to ignore it). It could therefore be in some Best Buys but not others.

I don't think there's necessarily a hard and fast rule here. I think we can now be reasonably certain it was cancelled and recalled, but some stores may not have gotten the memo (or chosen to ignore it). It could therefore be in some Best Buys but not others.

I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that any stores got any of these. If they were out there we'd be seeing photos and scans by now.

If the discs were actually made and boxed you would think that they would want to sell them especially for a very popular movie. Conspiracy theorists might say it's just scheme to drum up more demand. :)

larry

I never got a formal notification from Amazon that it was cancelled. Still shows delivery for March 13th.

I did some checking around this morning and there's no sign of them at my local Walmart, and phone calls to Virgin Entertainment and Hollywood Video turned up nothing for me. My last place to check is Fry's.

I'm surprised that they weren't manufactured and pushed to distribution considering the timeline of the Toshiba announcement and the later Katzenburg "we're still in" nonsense quote. I figured at least smaller retailers would have received copies. I'm not dying for the actual movie, but was interested in it in a Blades of Glory BD-style collectible. Oh well.

HiDefDVD.com canceled my order this morning. Recall.

My last place to check is Fry's.

I just stopped at my local Fry's and the associate I spoke to knew of the cancellation. He checked his computer anyway and all Fry's locations nationwide are showing "0" in inventory.

DVD Pacific says they are waiting to hear anything official. They have heard rumors the title may be delayed/cancelled, but nothing official yet. So who knows whats going on.

I never got a formal notification from Amazon that it was cancelled. Still shows delivery for March 13th.
Same here.

I just stopped at my local Fry's and the associate I spoke to knew of the cancellation. He checked his computer anyway and all Fry's locations nationwide are showing "0" in inventory.

Thank you very much, you've saved me a trip. That exhausts the Northern CA options I think.

I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that any stores got any of these. If they were out there we'd be seeing photos and scans by now.

Only thing I have to base it on is that the person selling it on ebay yesterday has a 100% positive feedback record dating back to 2002.

Want a good laugh? The one avilable now is up to $400! And it's still got 8 hours until the auction closes.

ebay. The same seller that had the previous two auctions has a third one up. He'/s confirmed that he has it in hand. Going for $400 currently!:eek:

I saw that too... $400... what a freakin' waste of money! You could by a blu-ray player for that much (or less) and buy Bee Movie when it comes out on BD! Sheesh, some people have ALOT of money on their hands it seems.

As a few others I have 'The Bee Movie' on pre-order at Columbia House also.
So I called customer service since their customer web site only gets updated about every three days.. and the rep I spoke to said she knows of the 'stop production/recall' of the HD-DVD version of the movie but Columbia House has an agreement with Dreamworks and will be shipping all pre-orders to their customers??
Columbia House did pull the movie from there pre-order listing about two weeks ago, but did not remove it from my pre/pending order list "yet".
Take this info with a grain of salt....
I have "Ant Bully" and was looking forward to a animated double feature!!

--David

Or you could record it off the hd-ppv channel in a month.

Or you could record it off the hd-ppv channel in a month.

Exactly! $400??? :eek:

Or you could buy it and write a book called "The Dumbest $400 I've ever spent"

Or you could buy it and write a book called "The Dumbest $400 I've ever spent"

:D

Ant Bully is a Warner release.

Well, I did pay $250 for the Dune laserdisc box set from Japan (way back in the heady days of laser - 1997), which has the theatrical and television broadcasts. So I'm not going to be judgemental....
But yeah, $400 is steep!!!

I just called my Hollywood Video and the manager (who has been holding hddvd's for me and giving me the heads up on when they receive new ones) informed me that they had 1 copy of Bee Movie on HDDVD today which has already been rented out. I asked again to confirm that it was infact an "HDDVD" and he said yes. He also noted that they would not be selling this title or Michael Clayton in the current HDDVD liquidation sale.

Well, I did pay $250 for the Dune laserdisc box set from Japan (way back in the heady days of laser - 1997), which has the theatrical and television broadcasts. So I'm not going to be judgemental....


Yahbut... would you have bought it if you could buy a DVD player back then for $250 and get the exact same release for about $20?

This is a nothing-special release of a nothing-special movie that is virtually guaranteed to be available on Blu-ray within a couple of months.

In fact, despite my lukewarm feelings about the movie, I'm starting to think that I'll buy it on sale someday just so I can show people and say "Would you believe someone paid $400 to have that in HD?" :p

I just called my Hollywood Video and the manager (who has been holding hddvd's for me and giving me the heads up on when they receive new ones) informed me that they had 1 copy of Bee Movie on HDDVD today which has already been rented out. I asked again to confirm that it was infact an "HDDVD" and he said yes. He also noted that they would not be selling this title or Michael Clayton in the current HDDVD liquidation sale.

You can count on the person that rented it to never return it again

Man, I feel stupid for beeing at Hollywood on lunch break and not even asking them about Bee Movie. Rented No Country and Hitman on Blu-ray and went on my merry way.

I did notice a copy of Bee Movie sitting behind the counter with stickers on it to be sold and dismissed it because it was in an SD case, but now that I think about it they put their HDM in SD cases. Son of a bee sting.

You can count on the person that rented it to never return it again

Yeah really, maybe that is the copy for $400 on ebay.

Well, mtv.com just charged me for the movie today but it is still listed as a pre-order. I wonder what is going on? They better ship me my "Bee Movie".

In before lock...

Mine still shows as "Not Yet Shipped" from Amazon.

+1

I checked the Target at WalMart within 5 miles of me and nothing. I'm thinking that anyone who is selling it on Ebay worked for a store who got a shipment, "borrowed" a few copies before returning it because of the recall and is now making a profit. Otherwise I don't think this movie is comin guys.

Just walked out of a local Wally's; there was a placeholder for Bee Movie and a sticker (29.96), but none on the shelf. Didn't bother to ask, but I did score their very last A3.

Yeah really, maybe that is the copy for $400 on ebay.
I wouldn't trust that auction. People were doing the same thing when there were "rare" D-Theater titles. They would list them as DVHS but they sent out just plain old VHS. Notice when asked in the Q & A section if he really has the HD DVD version, he simply states... Yes, I do have the Bee Movie... no mention of HD DVD. The seller can get off on a technicality of mistakenly listing it under HD DVD instead of DVD. Just my two cents.

I'd be wary of that auction as well. He only has 64 feedback, which is small enough to throw away on a good scam like unloading several copies of the standard-def DVD at outrageous prices. Combined with his incredibly defensive answers posted in the auction, it doesn't sound too great. Pics would make a world of difference.

$400.00

well worth it.

lets see, make many copies. sell them for $25.00 a pop.

the ole' "no case just disc"

bam..!!! makes thousands...

smart guy..:D:D

My local Walmart had the sticker up for it, I asked around and was told they had it on the shelf but when someone went to buy it the system locked them out at point of sale, noting it was a recalled item. So, they pulled all the copies off the shelf. :(

I'd be wary of that auction as well. He only has 64 feedback, which is small enough to throw away on a good scam like unloading several copies of the standard-def DVD at outrageous prices. Combined with his incredibly defensive answers posted in the auction, it doesn't sound too great. Pics would make a world of difference.

oh stop....if you use paypal you are protected. i have a rating if over 250 all from sales, and trust me when i say paypal gets you your money. they grab it right from you bank account.
defensive answers..???? what.??

if the guy has it big deal...let him make a killing of other people foolishness.

don't be jealous.

if i had one i would be laughing all the way to the bank.:D:D

It says seller ended auction early on the lone HD DVD of the Bee Movie on E-bay!

weird huh?


Just got done watching the Bee Movie with my kids. I know I said on an earlier post that this Movie "sucked", but after watching it again, I have to say that "sucked" doesn't do this Movie justice. It's much worse than that!!

if i had one i would be laughing all the way to the bank.:D:D

Well you certainly wouldn't be laughing if you tried watching it. ;)

2 points on the craziness about this title:

# 1 : It will come out on Blu Ray, guaranteed. Why on Earth would you pay $400 when you could get the movie + a blu ray player to watch it on for that price.

# 2 :The movie wasnt that good at all.

As a few others I have 'The Bee Movie' on pre-order at Columbia House also.
So I called customer service since their customer web site only gets updated about every three days.. and the rep I spoke to said she knows of the 'stop production/recall' of the HD-DVD version of the movie but Columbia House has an agreement with Dreamworks and will be shipping all pre-orders to their customers??
Columbia House did pull the movie from there pre-order listing about two weeks ago, but did not remove it from my pre/pending order list "yet".
Take this info with a grain of salt....
I have "Ant Bully" and was looking forward to a animated double feature!!

--David

Could be an interesting thought to as why Amazon still hasn't cancelled their pre-orders.. Because as i think about it, when going to Paramount's HE site whenever you click on buy now on a title it takes you to Amazon...
Could there be a similar aggrement?

My expectations must have been really low for non-pixar CGI films. I've pretty much lost interest while watching most that have come out in the last few years (i.e. Surf's Up, Open Season etc) and I really enjoyed Bee Movie.

oh stop....if you use paypal you are protected. i have a rating if over 250 all from sales, and trust me when i say paypal gets you your money. they grab it right from you bank account.
defensive answers..???? what.??

if the guy has it big deal...let him make a killing of other people foolishness.

don't be jealous.

if i had one i would be laughing all the way to the bank.:D:D

Sure, you're absolutely right -- PayPal's fraud prevention policy is a perfect substitute for not applying caution when making ebay purchases. Especially in the case of vaporware. Your orgy-of-ellipses response implies I should restate my thoughts, although the auction's early ending makes it moot:

Pictures of the actual product would sure bolster bidder confidence.

There's no arguing that he's entitled to sell it, or to do so at whatever price folks are willing to pay. Best of luck to him if he really has it.

Yesterday, I "preordered" 2 copies from Barnes & Noble online. I've recieved two emails, the second one saying "scheduled to ship." I doubt it will go through. Their site no longer allows you to order them I noticed, and says "out of stock."

I also stopped by a B&N store and "special ordered" a few copies. The lady helping me was well aware that I wanted the HD DVD, she said in the computer it was listed as available and sounded confident, even though I mentioned it was likely recalled. The high end bookstores like Boarders and Barnes and Noble leaked out some copies of the Jack Ryan Collection by accident before, so I dunno, we'll see I might get lucky.

Well, they lost one sale here. I just went and rented it for my kids to watch, but I would have bought the HD DVD.

I doubt I will be the only one.

Well, they lost one sale here. I just went and rented it for my kids to watch, but I would have bought the HD DVD.

I doubt I will be the only one.

I would've blind bought it on HD DVD, as well. Probably won't even rent it now...if it ever comes out on blu-ray it better come out at catalog price now...otherwise I'll just wait and get it used.

I would've blind bought it on HD DVD, as well. Probably won't even rent it now...if it ever comes out on blu-ray it better come out at catalog price now...otherwise I'll just wait and get it used.

Yea, i woulda picked it up on HD DVD just because, but looks like its a no buy for me, its not something i really really want, just CGI on HD always is worth the money IMO...ohh well...if its out there and i see it, i'll buy it, if not, then i wont ever buy it, probably rent it at most.

Glad I bought this one as a regular dvd for $13.99 rather than as an HD DVD. Looked good but, not as good as the worse Pixar movie or any other cgi/animated blu-ray or hd dvd. Got tired quickly of the lame Seinfeld lines, kept looking at the watch to see how much was still left on this thing and the story line was weak. I guess the kids will like it.

Mr Ian B

As a few others I have 'The Bee Movie' on pre-order at Columbia House also.
So I called customer service since their customer web site only gets updated about every three days.. and the rep I spoke to said she knows of the 'stop production/recall' of the HD-DVD version of the movie but Columbia House has an agreement with Dreamworks and will be shipping all pre-orders to their customers??
Columbia House did pull the movie from there pre-order listing about two weeks ago, but did not remove it from my pre/pending order list "yet".
Take this info with a grain of salt....
I have "Ant Bully" and was looking forward to a animated double feature!!

--David


Just got an email from "Columbia House" confirming my order did ship today??
Will just have to wait and see as they have not updated the web site yet!?!

--David

Just got an email from "Columbia House" confirming my order did ship today??
Will just have to wait and see as they have not updated the web site yet!?!

--David

Hopefully you'll get the real deal.

Just got an email from "Columbia House" confirming my order did ship today??
Will just have to wait and see as they have not updated the web site yet!?!

--David

Just what I was afraid of... my order just got 'delisted' ...even after a email stating that the order had been shipped!

I wonder why they pulled this. Being the movie was made prehapps pull 1/2 of the copys but to pull them all is just daft.

blades of glory was canned on the day of as well but as far as I know no real copys were out their. So the film was never pressed

Paramount supposably had a team of people working around the clock for a month straight to finsih up the extras for the planned 2 disc HD-DVD version of Cloverfield.Even though the Cloverfield HD-DVD set was basicly "finished" Paramount decided to scrap it(along with Bee Movie 2 disc HD-DVD,Sweeney Todd 2 disc HD-DVD set, and There Will Be Blood Collector's Edition HD-DVD....all of hich were supposably complete or very near complete).Instead, Paramount has decided to rush a barebones version of Cloverfield through for BluRay release the day the HD-DVD version was supposed to ship and also decided to trash all the extras that were produced for the HD-DVD special edition as most of them took advantage of HD-DVDs special features and would not work with BR even if profile 2.0 players were already out.

All that kinda makes you wonder about Paramount.ALOT of people would have bought those planned HD-DVDs.Given that they were complete/almost complete, you would have figured Paramount would have at least sold enough to make their production costs back.All of them
were hits at the thater and virtually guaranteed to sell very well in HD-DVD,even given the status of the format.

I wonder why they pulled this. Being the movie was made prehapps pull 1/2 of the copys but to pull them all is just daft.

blades of glory was canned on the day of as well but as far as I know no real copys were out their. So the film was never pressed

Blades of Glory on Blu was pressed and in stores. A handful of people managed to snag copied of that. This situation is the same, but very different at the same time.

I understand why Paramount pulled the Blades Blu Ray, they got a big aycheck to go exclusive and were probably asked to drop that disc, so they did. In this case the format is dead, there is no payoff, so to recall the already pressed discs makes no sense to me. You spent the money on the encode, the packaging, and the pressing so why not sell what is out there and just don't press anymore in the future.

http://www.dbtechno.com/entertainment/2008/02/29/paramount-cancels-dreamworks-bee-movie-on-hd-dvd/

I've just got notification from Amazon that they are indeed trying to obtain the item and that my order is not cancelled.

They moved the delivery to 31th March.

So indeed they are trying to deliver.

Never give up hope ;)


Hello from Amazon.com.

We're still trying to obtain the following item[s] you ordered

Jerry Seinfeld (Actor) "Bee Movie [HD DVD]" [HD DVD]
Estimated ship date: 03/31/2008

We apologize for the inconvenience caused by this delay.

While canceled, the question is still lingering about the copies which were already produced, and the ones that were already shipped to retailers. Did all retailers honor the request to return them and not sell them? Are some retailers using the few they got in their initial shipment, to honor their pre-release sales, but aren't taking any new orders?

We have already seen Harry Potter books going out on the shelves for sale early, even though they weren't suppose to be yet, because some 16 yo getting paid minimum wage made a mistake. Could the same thing have happen for the Bee Movie HD DVD, at just a very few stores?

While canceled, the question is still lingering about the copies which were already produced...

Again, there is zero evidence that any HD DVDs of Bee Movie were pressed (unless you have a picture or a scan that I'm not aware of.)

Again, there is zero evidence that any HD DVDs of Bee Movie were pressed (unless you have a picture or a scan that I'm not aware of.)

Then what does the word RECALL mean? As it seems to be in a lot of retail computer systems and some have said they were shipped back from managers of some stores. If they were not pressed I don't think they would be using that word. It is just another final kick in the nuggets for HD DVD owners and there was probably money involved once again to make sure it happens this way because there really is no other reason not to release it. :mad:

Indications are that studios do not make money on high-def releases in either format, but have had some costs subsidized by the associations. Without those subsidies I can only conclude that it's financially advantageous (tax reasons?) for Paramount to scrap the release. They're obviously sacrificing goodwill be scrapping it. They wouldn't sacrifice both goodwill AND profit.

Then what does the word RECALL mean? As it seems to be in a lot of retail computer systems and some have said they were shipped back from managers of some stores. If they were not pressed I don't think they would be using that word. It is just another final kick in the nuggets for HD DVD owners and there was probably money involved once again to make sure it happens this way because there really is no other reason not to release it. :mad:

If these things were pressed and shipped and a recall was made then this is the first time in the history of the world that there was 100% compliance. Personally I think it's much more likely that they were never pressed than somehow zero copies were leaked.

While canceled, the question is still lingering about the copies which were already produced, and the ones that were already shipped to retailers. Did all retailers honor the request to return them and not sell them?

With only three dubious copies having shown up on ebay, I'm doubting whether any have really been pressed. Considering one sold for $400 and another for $99, I'd think if there were any out there they'd be some up for sale.

After all, it's not as if it isn't available on DVD and won't be available on Blu-ray. Its shelf life is extremely limited. In a month or two it would like any other HD disc, selling for $10.

P.S. I just saw a listing on ebay described as "Bee Movie Jerry's Two-Disc Special Edition New Not HD"

Amazon says their still trying to obtain my Bee Movie order with and estimated ship date of March 27th. Oddly different than the above Amazon poster.

I also got the same email saying they're still trying to obtain it and the revised estimated ship date is 3/27.

If the disc were already prepped, then they would have no problem getting their money back that the pressing cost.

I really cant understand how Paramount is reasoning. I can understand they dont want to release more titles for the format, but for disc that is ready, it just stupid to hold them back.

PR isnt Paramounts strongest side.

Amazon says their still trying to obtain my Bee Movie order with and estimated ship date of March 27th. Oddly different than the above Amazon poster.

+1

While canceled, the question is still lingering about the copies which were already produced, and the ones that were already shipped to retailers. Did all retailers honor the request to return them and not sell them? Are some retailers using the few they got in their initial shipment, to honor their pre-release sales, but aren't taking any new orders?

We have already seen Harry Potter books going out on the shelves for sale early, even though they weren't suppose to be yet, because some 16 yo getting paid minimum wage made a mistake. Could the same thing have happen for the Bee Movie HD DVD, at just a very few stores?

I was at a local Suncoast yesterday and figured I'd ask (because I would definitely sell it for an obscene premium on eBay). The manager told me that she had 2 copies of Bee Movie on HD DVD and put them out in the morning. She said they both sold within 30 minutes of the store opening.

Indications are that studios do not make money on high-def releases in either format, but have had some costs subsidized by the associations. Without those subsidies I can only conclude that it's financially advantageous (tax reasons?) for Paramount to scrap the release. They're obviously sacrificing goodwill be scrapping it. They wouldn't sacrifice both goodwill AND profit.

And you happen to know this is the exact reason for this very instance? Or could there be other reasons like the one I mentioned? Sorry but I think I'm closer to hitting this than you are.

If these things were pressed and shipped and a recall was made then this is the first time in the history of the world that there was 100% compliance. Personally I think it's much more likely that they were never pressed than somehow zero copies were leaked.

I guess then the managers who say they shipped them back or the people posting it here must be lying then. Is that correct?

Well there's a huge difference between canceling a title and canceling a title that's already been pressed. By recalling a title that's already been pressed they're not bringing in any revenue for it and it's just money down the drain. If they went ahead and released the title as planned they could have at least recouped some of the cost. Now an eventual Blu-ray release has to make up for its deficit as well as the HD DVD version's deficit. It may over an extended period of time but it's not going to in the short-term.

I made this post yesterday at another forum.
It does indeed exist:

==============================
Guess what guys, GUESS WHAT!

I found it.
Bee Move, HD DVD! NO JOKE!

1 single copy.

But they wouldn't sell it to me.


I walked into Frys to get an SD card when I noticed the dual display they had in the front of the store.
They always play an HD movie alongside the SD counterpart, running at the same time frame to showcase the difference.
I saw Bees and ran.

Indeed, they were playing the HD DVD of Bee Movie.
Nothing on the shelves, and they wouldn't sell me the copy playing.

It's out there though, I snapped a screenshot of both copies playing but it looks crappy.

Well there's a huge difference between canceling a title and canceling a title that's already been pressed. By recalling a title that's already been pressed they're not bringing in any revenue for it and it's just money down the drain. If they went ahead and released the title as planned they could have at least recouped some of the cost. Now an eventual Blu-ray release has to make up for its deficit as well as the HD DVD version's deficit. It may over an extended period of time but it's not going to in the short-term.

Also something to consider is that a "catalog" title, which is what Bee Movie would be when it's released on blu-ray, would make considerably less than if it were released as a "new release," especially a movie as bad as Bee Movie.

As an HD DVD new release, I'm guessing it would've done VERY well, just like Beowulf and American Gangster, but months down the line when released as a blu-ray, it'll get totally lost as another catalog title (a bad one at that), which will sell far fewer copies since people already would have moved on to the next new releases.

Makes me question the "hold off on selling on HD DVD so more people will buy it on blu-ray logic"

Lodef, putting it as politely as possible, I'm not terribly interested in your opinion of yourself.

And thats what you take out of my post?. Sorry I thought everyone's opinion is a from of expression from themselves not of themselves. Considering I said nothing derogatory in my post to you I must inform you that your response is indeed not polite but I'm sure the mods will see it for what it is anyways, thanks.

I made this post yesterday at another forum.
It does indeed exist:

==============================
Guess what guys, GUESS WHAT!

I found it.
Bee Move, HD DVD! NO JOKE!

1 single copy.

But they wouldn't sell it to me.


I walked into Frys to get an SD card when I noticed the dual display they had in the front of the store.
They always play an HD movie alongside the SD counterpart, running at the same time frame to showcase the difference.
I saw Bees and ran.

Indeed, they were playing the HD DVD of Bee Movie.
Nothing on the shelves, and they wouldn't sell me the copy playing.

It's out there though, I snapped a screenshot of both copies playing but it looks crappy.

Sounds like he saw the SD version of the DVD playing, how could he possibly know it was the HDDVD version? CGI material looks very good upconverted.

I guess then the managers who say they shipped them back or the people posting it here must be lying then. Is that correct?

There is no shortage of liars and the misinformed on the internet...

Also something to consider is that a "catalog" title, which is what Bee Movie would be when it's released on blu-ray, would make considerably less than if it were released as a "new release," especially a movie as bad as Bee Movie.

As an HD DVD new release, I'm guessing it would've done VERY well, just like Beowulf and American Gangster, but months down the line when released as a blu-ray, it'll get totally lost as another catalog title (a bad one at that), which will sell far fewer copies since people already would have moved on to the next new releases.

Makes me question the "hold off on selling on HD DVD so more people will buy it on blu-ray logic"
It's as if this movie falls into sort of a "dead" release window, where it's released on NEITHER Blu, nor HD. Paramount should have done a better job with this. It would have been in their best interest to make a "clean" switch, and not let releases fall through the cracks like this one did.
For example, say if all movies released on Mar 11 were HD DVD, and then all movies on Mar 18 were Blu. If they couldn't meet that deadline then move it to like April 15 and 22. But why shoot yourself in the foot like this? Just to make a point? God forbid you let people think you support a dead format. Sure we all know HD DVD is dead, but it's not THAT DEAD!

There is no shortage of liars and the misinformed on the internet...

So I take that as a Yes, thank you!

So I take that as a Yes, thank you!

Actually, it wasn't a yes, it was a maybe. Maybe the managers lied, maybe the posters who say the managers said they had them in the store are lying, or maybe the manager sees "recalled" in the computer and assumes they were in stock at one point, or maybe the manager asked an employee who thought they saw a box, but it was a box of DVDs or promotional material and not the actual HD DVDs. If I'm wrong there will be pictures sooner rather than later.

Amazon says their still trying to obtain my Bee Movie order with and estimated ship date of March 27th. Oddly different than the above Amazon poster.

You want different? Didn't get an e-mail, but my shipping date has been changed to May 12th!!!!!

There is no shortage of liars and the misinformed on the internet...

There is no storage of honest people either. :rolleyes:

I tend to have a more positive look on life, and that I trust people until they prove to me otherwise.

Though, it does begin to sound of "sour grapes" over they were lucky enough to get one, and you weren't.

Sounds like he saw the SD version of the DVD playing, how could he possibly know it was the HDDVD version? CGI material looks very good upconverted.It was me who saw them.

They were playing both movies side by side on the same TV.
One was the SD version, one was the HD DVD version.

I know the difference and it was clearly visible.
SD version does look alright upconverted as you said, as do most digital movies.

But the HD DVD beat it hands down with lack of color banding and richer colors.

There is no storage of honest people either. :rolleyes:

I tend to have a more positive look on life, and that I trust people until they prove to me otherwise.

Though, it does begin to sound of "sour grapes" over they were lucky enough to get one, and you weren't.

Honest people can be misinformed. Honest people can be lied to.

Actually, it wasn't a yes, it was a maybe. Maybe the managers lied, maybe the posters who say the managers said they had them in the store are lying, or maybe the manager sees "recalled" in the computer and assumes they were in stock at one point, or maybe the manager asked an employee who thought they saw a box, but it was a box of DVDs or promotional material and not the actual HD DVDs. If I'm wrong there will be pictures sooner rather than later.


I posted how I talked to one of the managers at Frys, Fountain Valley, Ca. store.

I've dealt with this guy many times, and he has gone the extra mile for me on several occasions in the past.

The info was in their system, that the HD DVD discs were there 3 weeks ago, and they were recalled then. I asked him directly if he had seen the HD DVD discs of Bee movie himself, and his answer was no.

As others can vouch for, the discs are sent out early in many cases and they have to wait until release day to put them out on the shelfs.

This no go release of Bee movie, has certainly stirred up a hornets nest of activity!

I'm not calling anyone a liar, but why is it in this age of widespread digital cameras and cell phones (of which the most basic can take a picture) is there not a single picture to be found on the Internet showing the HD-DVD version of this movie?

I mean, really. :confused:

:DIt was me who saw them.

They were playing both movies side by side on the same TV.
One was the SD version, one was the HD DVD version.

I know the difference and it was clearly visible.
SD version does look alright upconverted as you said, as do most digital movies.

But the HD DVD beat it hands down with lack of color banding and richer colors.

Are you sure the one just wasn't hooked up with Monster Cables;):D

Noticed on the Best Buy site today - front page.

Pic of an HDTV w/ the BEE MOVIE promo ad pasted on the screen. Says "Available on DVD MArch 11". No mention of HD DVD on the ad.

:D

Are you sure the one just wasn't hooked up with Monster Cables;):D

You mean Monster Cables will make my DVDs look HD? ;)

:D

Are you sure the one just wasn't hooked up with Monster Cables;):D:)

I'm not calling anyone a liar, but why is it in this age of widespread digital cameras and cell phones (of which the most basic can take a picture) is there not a single picture to be found on the Internet showing the HD-DVD version of this movie?

I mean, really. :confused:I was VERY tempted to just open up the combo player they were using to play Bee movie to snap a shot of the disc, but it's in the front of the store, and synced to the DVD version so they're playing at the same time frame.

I didn't want to embarass myself.

I may sneak over and take a pic of the pop up menu, but I think they hide the remotes.

Just got this e-mail from Amazon:

Hello from Amazon.com.

We're still trying to obtain the following item[s] you ordered on
January 11 2008 10:51 PST (Order# 105-7766195-9636234).

Jerry Seinfeld (Actor) "Bee Movie [HD DVD]" [HD DVD]
Estimated ship date: 03/27/2008

We apologize for the inconvenience caused by this delay.


Looks like Amazon didn't get the memo...

Just got this e-mail from Amazon:



Looks like Amazon didn't get the memo...

I got the same email. It would be nice, but I don't think it's happening.

I am pretty sure this copies will never see the light out their manufacturing facilities. I just got back from taking a walk down 8 Th Ave here in NYC.

I work at 40Th street so it was pretty easy for me to go from store to store. A few of these store are what they call 30/70 video stores.
30% regular videos 70% adult videos, and while their regular videos section are quite anemic they have at times early copies of that certain big splash flick in either SD/HD for a high premium though.

This one store that I visited from time to time to get my early version of HD, did not have it..The guy I usually talk to, had no clue. He made a call, and asked his dvd specialist ;), he/ she could not find any trace of it.

That was store one, I must have gone to seven to eight more store that said the same thing...

I must submerge in a tub of hand sanitizer .


DJoel

You mean Monster Cables will make my DVDs look HD? ;)

Absolutely!

PROTIP: They also turn water into wine and raise the dead!

Tower.com hit my card yesterday for charges for Bee Movie HD, today my order has been canceled when logging in to my Tower account. They better be crediting me back asap. I thought most vendors charge when the product ships?

So Bee Movie being canceled has the trickle down effect.... of places charging your card and then telling you its been canceled, then you get the credit put back on...... I'll bet there are a few that have issues with this being done right the first time.:(

I am pretty sure this copies never saw the out their manufacturing facilities. I just got back from taking a walk down 8 Th Ave here in NYC.
I work at 40 Th street so it was pretty easy for to go for store to store, a few of these store are what they call 30/70 video stores.
30% regular videos 70% adult videos, and while their regular videos section are quite anemic they have at times have weeks early copies of that certain of a big splash flick in either SD/HD.
This one store at I visited from time to time to get my early version of HD, did not have it..The guy I usually talk to, had now clue. He made a call, and ask his dvd specialist, he/ she could not find any trace of it. That was store one, I must have gone to seven to eight more store that said the same thing...

I must submerge in a tub of hand sanitizer .


DJoel


I have a power washer we could clean you up with!:D

Those stores didn't carry the right kind of honey for you heh?:D

I think it's safe to "assume" that this movie hasn't been released unless we see screen shots. I'm not saying it's not out there but "this manager said" they've got it is all just an assumption. We're all human and the manager may have "thought" he saw it and believed it when in reality he could've been wrong. I'm sure none of us here have ever done anything like that;).

I think it's safe to "assume" that this movie hasn't been released unless we see screen shots. I'm not saying it's not out there but "this manager said" they've got it is all just an assumption. We're all human and the manager may have "thought" he saw it and believed it when in reality he could've been wrong. I'm sure none of us here have ever done anything like that;).

Someone from HDD.com claims to have it.

PICTURE (http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=48212)

That's some decent evidence but it's not definitive proof. It could be a clever fake, someone's photoshopped custom cover inserted in a real HD-DVD case. I want to see a pic of the disc before I believe, and a pic of the back of the cover wouldn't hurt either.

I do still believe these were pressed though. This release was canceled so late they virtually had to be. The only question IMO is whether any of them got shipped out or not. If some shipped, then they will leak into the market. No recall is 100% perfect. So far, we don't have much to believe there are any copies in the wild though.

-edit
Further developments are leading me to believe that the pic is a forgery. That's not the correct cover art according to the pics at dvdtown, and I tend to believe dvdtown's images because they have a full back cover pic.

Someone from HDD.com claims to have it.

PICTURE (http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=48212)




Wow! Our geneation bigfoot, in form of a HDdvd Bee movie:rolleyes:


Djoel

That settles it.

I'm going to Frys when it's close to closing so they can open up the player for me and I can snap a real pic of the disc. And pop up menu in action.

I have to make a return anyway.
They better have not removed it from the display since I kinda pointed out they didn't even have a version of it for sale. :/

That settles it.

I'm going to Frys when it's close to closing so they can open up the player for me and I can snap a real pic of the disc. And pop up menu in action.

I have to make a return anyway.
They better have not removed it from the display since I kinda pointed out they didn't even have a version of it for sale. :/

Please do get back to us, as we are all interested.

That settles it.

I'm going to Frys when it's close to closing so they can open up the player for me and I can snap a real pic of the disc. And pop up menu in action.

I have to make a return anyway.
They better have not removed it from the display since I kinda pointed out they didn't even have a version of it for sale. :/



Or better yet steal it;)


I'm kidding..

Djoel

In jest..

Many say that local store managers state they held in their hands copies of the movie on HD-DVD and they had to be shipped back.. to what warehouse address could we make a raid on to liberate not only "The Bee Movie" but also other HD-DVD's such as the 'Jack Ryan Collection' from Paramount / Dreamworks where these HD-DVD's are being held captive at?

:)

In jest..

Many say that local store managers state they held in their hands copies of the movie on HD-DVD and they had to be shipped back.. to what warehouse address could we make a raid on to liberate not only "The Bee Movie" but also other HD-DVD's such as the 'Jack Ryan Collection' from Paramount / Dreamworks where these HD-DVD's are being held captive at?

:)

Be sure to liberate the Blu-ray disks while you are there.

Paramount is an equal-opportunity offender to its customers. :)

Be sure to liberate the Blu-ray disks while you are there.

Paramount is an equal-opportunity offender to its customers. :)

The difference is they will be getting out soon ( probation period over) but the HD DVD's are there for good. ( death sentenced).

Don't worry, I'll report back.
At the very least I'll upload the crappy phone pic of the dual setup they were showing it off with I took yesterday.

Wow, this reminds me of all the Blu-Ray owners trying to get an elusive copy of Blades of Glory.

Someone from HDD.com claims to have it.

PICTURE (http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=48212)

I actually believe there are copies out there-- the cancellation came too late in the game.. but that picture absolutely looks Photoshopped to me. The edges, especially the upper right, just don't look right.

It's fairly well done but I don't believe it's real.

(glancing through the posts there, most believe it's fake too)

I actually believe there are copies out there-- the cancellation came too late in the game.. but that picture absolutely looks Photoshopped to me. The edges, especially the upper right, just don't look right.

It's fairly well done but I don't believe it's real.

(glancing through the posts there, most believe it's fake too)

I disagree that it's fairly well done. No pics of 2nd disc or in-player.

Go to FYE, the local FYE in maryland had tons of BR copies of Blades of Glory.

Amazon, has sent an email stating a delay in shipment of Bee Movie, but have not canceled the order... strange

Where is Tony Soprano when you need him ?


Djoel

Honestly, I don't think any of these got out even though I believe some got pressed. If some had gotten out, there would be a lot more people claiming to have a copy. Instead we have an e-bay listing that was closed, and a photo with coverart that is missing some key items that were supposed to be on the box. Not enough evidence for me that any copies got to retail or in the hands of consumers.

http://www.dvdtown.com/moviedatabase/coverart/bee-movie/22937/0

It;s after 11:00 and still nothing, I hope he didn't get arrested! :D

Go to FYE, the local FYE in maryland had tons of BR copies of Blades of Glory.

Amazon, has sent an email stating a delay in shipment of Bee Movie, but have not canceled the order... strange

Not so strange. Here is a clip I received from Amazon last August AFTER Paramount had sold out to Toshiba:

_____________
Shipping estimate for these items: August 28, 2007
Delivery estimate: August 31, 2007 - September 5, 2007 1 "Blades of Glory [Blu-ray]"
Will Ferrell; Blu-ray; $26.95

Sold by: Amazon.com Because of Pre-order Price Guarantee, you might pay less. Why?
_____________


These messages are obviously automated and it is a question of the settings in the database. It seems to take them some time to get things squared away.

Wow, this reminds me of all the Blu-Ray owners trying to get an elusive copy of Blades of Glory.

And it's just as insane.

Actually this guy needs to upload a video on youtube and show us the case front and back, both disks and the menu actually up on the screen.

Actually this guy needs to upload a video on youtube and show us the case front and back, both disks and the menu actually up on the screen.

Indeed.

Several of the local Wal-Marts have shelf stickers for it, I combed through some of the shippers that state HD DVD on the side but no sign of anything. Had these actually been in the shippers (which were rather loosely stacked to begin with), one would have shifted in transit, someone would have found one. While I didn't make a serious effort into looking no one had any anywhere I went.

Unlike the Jack Ryan Collection, which I actually held in my hands, there is little to suggest that this physical product made it to the shelves.

It's about as real as those $150 Venture players that were "supposed" to be arriving at Walmart just in time for Christmas 08.

So....at least until concrete evidence comes to us...to the OP's question? NO.

It's about as real as those $150 Venture players that were "supposed" to be arriving at Walmart just in time for Christmas 08.
Well, they did show up in Canada.

It's about as real as those $150 Venture players that were "supposed" to be arriving at Walmart just in time for Christmas 08.

I reckon they've still got 9 months or so until Christmas 2008.

Well, they did show up in Canada.

Canada isn't real either.

Well, they did show up in Canada.

Exactly. ;)

Canada isn't real either.

Actually some so-called Canadian needs to upload a video on youtube and show us the land front and back, both coasts and the CBC menu actually up on the screen. :D

None of my local stores had any copies...

Well, they did show up in Canada.

That could be true...over at amazon.ca a private seller had one copy for $40. I didnt buy it because I was waiting for my copies from DVD Pacific. Shouldve snatched it up :mad:

Canada isn't real either.

I hope it is. I am thinking about wadding across the river in the dark of night looking for work and health care ...

That could be true...over at amazon.ca a private seller had one copy for $40. I didnt buy it because I was waiting for my copies from DVD Pacific. Shouldve snatched it up :mad:

He meant that the Venture HD-DVD player showed up in Canada. Bee Movie is a no-show on both sides of the border.

going on 72 hours after the canceled release and there are zero credible sitings. This one is nonexistent.

I didnt buy it because I was waiting for my copies from DVD Pacific. Shouldve snatched it up :mad:

Have the officially cancelled it then? I'm not home to check my email for myself.

My pre order of August Rush on BD from Columbia House already showed up at my door, Bee Movie is listed on my account as "Pre order", I'm thinking that one is in limbo and will never ship. FYE changed my Bee Movie pre order from "ON HOLD" to "PROCESSING". However, orders from FYE can still be cancelled when it says "PROCESSING" so that means it is no where close to shipping yet. I think this movie is a done deal, never gonna show up.

going on 72 hours after the canceled release and there are zero credible sitings. This one is nonexistent.

FWIW I asked the PR firm handling Paramount HD-DVDs about this, INTO THE WILD and THINGS WE LOST, and they said the latter two would only be at retail (no review copies), while BEE MOVIE was canceled altogether. Looks like that it's the case.

Just an update, I checked my Columbia House account and Bee Movie HD DVD on my "orders yet to be shipped" list is gone, poof, nothing. I called CH about it and the guy said it was cancelled, nice that they just removed it from my orders list with not even an email letting me know it happened. So, scratch CH off the list of potential places to get this movie. I think it's over.

I am just going to rent the SD version, I am not buying it...Paramount can go F%#$@ themselves.


DJoel

^^^ :)

Whats the deal with Bee Movie anyway, the trailers I watched were nothing special. Looked like an average animation movie to me. Did I miss something?

Whats the deal with Bee Movie anyway, the trailers I watched were nothing special. Looked like an average animation movie to me. Did I miss something?



It's like that some what good looking girl, that every guy hit's on, but she never pays any attention.
All you want to do is sit down and have a conversation, that alone would be gravy;)

Well that's what it is to me:(


djoel

What happen to dallow? He was suppose to get back to us. Maybe it was not a HD DVD afterall and does not want to admit to it or he is still waiting to post bail because he tried to steal it and got caught. :D

This disc does not exist. I talked to an insider that receives ALL check discs for HD DVD releases and there isn't even a check disc for it.

This disc does not exist. I talked to an insider that receives ALL check discs for HD DVD releases and there isn't even a check disc for it.

Next you're gonna to tell us Santa and the Easter Bunny aren't real too!!! :p

Any news yet dallow?

Don't leave us hangin'

Whats the deal with Bee Movie anyway, the trailers I watched were nothing special. Looked like an average animation movie to me. Did I miss something?
Jerry Seinfeld decided to come out of retirement long enough to do the voiceovers...and it was hyped to no end by the marketing department. I really have no idea if it meets Disney/Pixar standards and don't really care...maybe a rental someday.;)

Ah, "what's the deal with Bee Movie" sounds like an opening for some Jerry Seinfeld standup. I'll buy it when it comes out on Blu Ray some year or another, but I wont waste time renting or buying it in SD. I am more sad about the loss of Cloverfield than this movie, because whenever this one does come out on Blu Ray itll be basically the same, but the HD DVD version of Cloverfield sounds like it would've been significantly more than the bare-bones BD version will be.

Sweeney, Cloverfiled and Let There Be Blood were indeed the biggest announced losses. Bee Movie is pretty insignificant IMHO.

must say I agree with krobar really, those are much more interesting titles than the bee movie.

must say I agree with krobar really, those are much more interesting titles than the bee movie.

Seconded! Really disappointed about Sweeney.

Sweeney, Cloverfiled and Let There Be Blood were indeed the biggest announced losses. Bee Movie is pretty insignificant IMHO.

There Will Be Blood is the biggest disappointment for me. Universal dropping Lust, Caution wasn't fun, either. :(

Of course, this is a Dreamworks Animation thread. They only delivered one movie--Shrek 3. We didn't even get Shrek 1 and 2. :mad:

I'll be honest, I wanted this disc to throw it on eBay. The movie looks mediocre, but if someone is willing to give me $400 for a crappy movie I'm all for that.

This was a great family movie and my children loved it!... I hope it does come out on HD-DVD or Blu-ray...:)
http://www.engadgethd.com/media/2008/03/3-13-08-bee_movie.jpg

I'll be honest, I wanted this disc to throw it on eBay. The movie looks mediocre, but if someone is willing to give me $400 for a crappy movie I'm all for that.

The problem is, if you'd been able to get the disc it wouldn't sell for $400 - or even $40 - on ebay.

My young daughter and I watched Bee Movie tonight (it was a Blockbuster rental), and she didn't seem to care for it all, while I found it to be even worse than Shrek the Turd.

It's definitely very nice to look at, but that's about the only good thing I can say about it. I'd certainly never want to sit through it again.

Canceled on HD-DVD? It's no real loss, folks.

If people don't like the movie, than stop thread crapping. This thread is not a review thread on the movie.

Back to the topic. Sad to see that they decided not to bring this out on HD-DVD. I hope the BD version comes out soon.

I heard that all of the HD DVD copies of the Bee Movie are stashed away at Kramer's apartment.

This disc does not exist. I talked to an insider that receives ALL check discs for HD DVD releases and there isn't even a check disc for it.

Did he receive Blades of Glory on Blu-ray last year?

From HDTV Info Europe:

An unknown seller offered the last movie who will appear on HD DVD from Dreamworks at E-Bay & gained quite some profit . Bee Movie has the honour to be released on the already buried HD DVD format.

The most expensive HD DVD disc sells at $400 (http://www.hdtvinfo.eu/news/hd-video-formats/the-most-expensive-hd-dvd-disc-sells-at-400.html)

Could it be that Dreamworks will just send the disks over to the UK? Prices are much higher there and people who want it, will still import it. Ok wishful thinking :(

From HDTV Info Europe:

An unknown seller offered the last movie who will appear on HD DVD from Dreamworks at E-Bay & gained quite some profit . Bee Movie has the honour to be released on the already buried HD DVD format.

The most expensive HD DVD disc sells at $400 (http://www.hdtvinfo.eu/news/hd-video-formats/the-most-expensive-hd-dvd-disc-sells-at-400.html)

???

If they manufactured the film in HD, I can't imagine they made one of them...or ten...or a thousand. I can't imagine they would make less than ten-thousand. If this auction is real, I for one thing the buyer got taken.

This is a 100% below-average movie, anyone who would buy it must really want HD quality CGI eye candy..

According to my contacts, bee movie did NOT get replicated on HD DVD, the studio didn't even get check discs made. Don't believe the hype. :)

According to my contacts, bee movie did NOT get replicated on HD DVD, the studio didn't even get check discs made. Don't believe the hype. :)

This is somewhat surprising to me. I think Bee Movie would have sold minimum 10-20K copies the first week if released on HD DVD. If you were Paramount, why not release this on HD DVD? I'm sure they had the HD master and menus all made up given the proximity of HD DVDs death to this movie's release date.

He was refrerring to eBay item #280208111457

Yes I know. But my point is if there were real copies of the disc out there - not ebay fakes - then there would be lots of them and they wouldn't be worth more than any other HD disc.

Have the officially cancelled it then? I'm not home to check my email for myself.

As it stands now my order has not been cancelled, status is still New Order, whatever that means :confused:

We can keep an eye on the sellers feedback, because surely it won't be the HD DVD version that she gets, when she gets it.

I believe this is the case as well, as I had previously mentioned in this very thread. (In a since-deleted post which apparently broke Article 3 in Section 28B on page 812 of the AVSforum Rules & Regulations Handbook. ;))

The fact that only ONE supposedly authentic copy ended up on eBay seems terribly suspicious. (If this disc had actually been shipped to stores nationwide, then why hasn't more than one copy shown up by now?) Also, it seems that the seller kind of skirted around the oft-asked question of whether they actually had the HD-DVD version of the movie; never directly saying "Yes. I have the HD-DVD version of Bee Movie -- NOT the DVD."

I'm pretty sure the buyer will find the DVD version when they receive their package. Shame, that.

This is somewhat surprising to me. I think Bee Movie would have sold minimum 10-20K copies the first week if released on HD DVD. If you were Paramount, why not release this on HD DVD? I'm sure they had the HD master and menus all made up given the proximity of HD DVDs death to this movie's release date.

Whether they replicated this movie or not is probably not the biggest issue in whether it gets released. Most likely there were a bunch of contractual and tax implications as Toshiba discontinued HD DVD and the studios followed. 10-20K, or even 100K of sales is peanuts compared to the costs associated with a decision to shut down a format.

Hey guys, sorry it took so long to get back with you.
I should have taken a closer look that initial day I was there, as I was wrong, no HD DVD.

I did find out a few things are a bit disturbing.

They tout the left screen as being HD, and the right screen as being SD, even though they're both playing the DVD version.
The one on the left does look better, but that's because the TV settings on the right TV were completely borked. (same model for both)

They were intentially making the other screen look crappy.
I heard salesmen even tout the HD version to a couple until I said they're both the standard DVD version. The static menus settled it.

Sorry guys. :P

Hey guys, sorry it took so long to get back with you.
I should have taken a closer look that initial day I was there, as I was wrong, no HD DVD.

I did find out a few things are a bit disturbing.

They tout the left screen as being HD, and the right screen as being SD, even though they're both playing the DVD version.
The one on the left does look better, but that's because the TV settings on the right TV were completely borked. (same model for both)

They were intentially making the other screen look crappy.
I heard salesmen even tout the HD version to a couple until I said they're both the standard DVD version. The static menus settled it.

Sorry guys. :P

Thanks for coming back. I was worried that you might have gotten abducted by the Blu KGB!

Hey guys, sorry it took so long to get back with you.
I should have taken a closer look that initial day I was there, as I was wrong, no HD DVD.

I did find out a few things are a bit disturbing.

They tout the left screen as being HD, and the right screen as being SD, even though they're both playing the DVD version.
The one on the left does look better, but that's because the TV settings on the right TV were completely borked. (same model for both)

They were intentially making the other screen look crappy.
I heard salesmen even tout the HD version to a couple until I said they're both the standard DVD version. The static menus settled it.

Sorry guys. :P



No worries you have been a victim of B&M trickery, the important thing is your not locked up in some jail.;)


DJoel

It seems that the buyer of the $400 disc (ebay name "jennyjadkins"), actually paid since she received positive feedback.

We can keep an eye on the sellers feedback, because surely it won't be the HD DVD version that she gets, when she gets it.

Positive feedback can also be left on aborted transactions. So it's not definitive proof that the deal actually went through. Maybe the buyer paid, and the money was later refunded because of the lack of product. That has happened to me more than once.

I don't believe Bee Movie exists on HD-DVD at all. We're too far into this to have really no proof there is even one legitimate disc out there. As far as I'm concerned this is a closed case.

Amazon has yet to cancel my HD DVD order. Seems to me that they are still planning on releasing. Amazon is very quick to cancel.

i don't see how amazon can ship it,most likey you won't get it

One possibility. I know that advertising agencies get these things weeks if not months ahead of time. This one eBay copy, could be an early "one off", that was sent to an advertising agency. Dreamscape probably canceled all work for the HD DVD version at the agency, and some "smuck" walked out with the "one off". The case and disk would have the real artwork, but the disk could be blank, have the SD movie on it, or even an early cut of the HD version.

Or someone simply printed the artwork from a file found on the Internet and slid it into a HD-DVD case.

Well, the "on off" would not technically be fraud, since it would have actually come from Dreamscape.

Hey guys, sorry it took so long to get back with you.
I should have taken a closer look that initial day I was there, as I was wrong, no HD DVD.

I did find out a few things are a bit disturbing.

They tout the left screen as being HD, and the right screen as being SD, even though they're both playing the DVD version.
The one on the left does look better, but that's because the TV settings on the right TV were completely borked. (same model for both)

They were intentially making the other screen look crappy.
I heard salesmen even tout the HD version to a couple until I said they're both the standard DVD version. The static menus settled it.

Sorry guys. :P

Thanks dallow. Since you were the only one here who said they thought they had physically saw it and you now confirm it is not, I will conclude there is none out there. What it also concludes though, is that it is a safe bet that these studios knew well in advance before Toshiba officially pulled the plug since that date was so close to the release of this movie yet not even a test run can be found. If this can be verified, it might add fuel to the fire with that civil suit against Toshiba.

Thanks dallow. Since you were the only one here who said they thought they had physically saw it and you now confirm it is not, I will conclude there is none out there. What it also concludes though, is that it is a safe bet that these studios knew well in advance before Toshiba officially pulled the plug since that date was so close to the release of this movie yet not even a test run can be found. If this can be verified, it might add fuel to the fire with that civil suit against Toshiba.





Surrrrrreee why not, what's another 100 mil to a company that just lost 1Billion yens...


DJoel

Surrrrrreee why not, what's another 100 mil to a company that just lost 1Billion yens...


DJoel

Djoel how did you come up with that number, are you in on it! :D

I guess we're done here. No Bee Movie on HD-DVD. Some good hype, but looks like nothing. :)

larry

I just received the following:

We would like to advise you that Bee Movie [HD] (DWA132294HD) currently in your order ID O748293 (the price $29.29) has now been officially cancelled or discontinued. This means effective immediately we can no longer obtain stock and are therefore removing this title from site. Consequently we will also be deleting from your active order.
We do apologize for this inconvenience.

Regards,
Customer Information Support