I just found this on the web. Maybe this belongs in the $20k+ forum - no price info I could see.

http://www.christiedigital.com/AMEN/Products/christieCP2000M.htm

But the 12000 lumens across 35 feet wide screen caught my attention!

Then I looked at the CR= 2000. 2000??? My Optoma H78 does better than that. And then it has two DVI (not HDMI) inputs.

1) I know this is clearly for true movie theater usage, right? Do they have low CRs like this?

2) anybody try one of these things in a home environment (it says UP to 35 feet, so it could work for smaller ones also.)

Just curious...

2000:1 and 12,000 Lumens is mega monster insane good in all honesty.....

I mean jaw dropping amazing at that light output.

Digital Video Input

* Two (2) SMPTE 292M; selectable dual or single

Graphics Input

* 2 x DVI interfaces

Ok.. Definitely not for home use, I guess. Unless we can feed the graphic input with blu-ray fed HDMI to DVI cable?

Also voltage is interesting
Single phase 200-240 VAC (nominal) power

But the 12000 lumens across 35 feet wide screen caught my attention!




It is only 18 ftl projected onto a 35' wide screen.:)

He says "only 18fl onto a 35' wide screen..." :) Color me still way impressed here.

Ok.. Definitely not for home use, I guess. Unless we can feed the graphic input with blu-ray fed HDMI to DVI cable?

You could use an HTPC to feed it Blu-ray (or any other media) via DVI :D

Then I looked at the CR= 2000. 2000??? My Optoma H78 does better than that. And then it has two DVI (not HDMI) inputs

No it's SMPTE and ANSI compliant measurments versus consumer hype. There are several ways to measure contrast ratio.

Digital Video Input

* Two (2) SMPTE 292M; selectable dual or single

Graphics Input

* 2 x DVI interfaces

Ok.. Definitely not for home use, I guess. Unless we can feed the graphic input with blu-ray fed HDMI to DVI cable?

Also voltage is interesting
Single phase 200-240 VAC (nominal) power

Provided you don't need HDCP compliance. These projectors are not HDCP capable and never will be. They do of course support DCI encryption for both HDSDI and DVI. 240vac is also typical with a 2kw lamp. A 20a 120v circuit only has 2400 watts total and the 2kw lamp is the final lamp wattage. There are more watts burned up in the lamp supply due to conversion inefficiency.

The 4 to 6kw Christies take 208v 30amp 3 phase power.

He says "only 18fl onto a 35' wide screen..." :) Color me still way impressed here.

Agree if rated is actual but we know it is not.
A good guess would be all these machines are designed right around 12 FTL nominal.

No it's SMPTE and ANSI compliant measurments versus consumer hype. There are several ways to measure contrast ratio.

And none of them tell the whole story about a projector. And FWIW the 2000:1 is "full field on/off", and from what I've seen of DLP cinema, I'd believe that's about right.

Yeah in a theater it would look great I am sure.

Is this one a 30 amp machine like the other Christies?

No it's SMPTE and ANSI compliant measurments versus consumer hype. There are several ways to measure contrast ratio.How is their "2000:1 full field on/off" measured differently from how good reviewers measure on/off CR? I realize that some companies misrepresent what their projectors are capable of, but I'm talking about good reviewers like Greg Rogers with consumer projectors. This obviously has nothing to do with measuring ANSI CR, since it is "full field on/off". I don't recall ANSI having any test for on/off CR that it would need to be compliant with and don't recall SMPTE having requirements for how full field on/off CR would be measured either. In what way(s) are you saying their "2000:1 full field on/off" for Contrast Ratio is using SMPTE and ANSI compliant measurements?

--Darin

How is their "2000:1 full field on/off" measured differently from how good reviewers measure on/off CR? I realize that some companies misrepresent what their projectors are capable of, but I'm talking about good reviewers like Greg Rogers with consumer projectors. This obviously has nothing to do with measuring ANSI CR, since it is "full field on/off". I don't recall ANSI having any test for on/off CR that it would need to be compliant with and don't recall SMPTE having requirements for how full field on/off CR would be measured either. In what way(s) are you saying their "2000:1 full field on/off" for Contrast Ratio is using SMPTE and ANSI compliant measurements?

--Darin

I'm using SMPTE as a general specification clearing house for all video and cinema.

I have four CP2000i (the big 4kw model) and a few NEC IS8s at work. We also have many Panasonic AE1000u and Sony Qualia. It's absurd to think a consumer projector can hold a candle to the Christie or NEC cinema products. Full field on/off is not a fully conclusive test. We rely on a checkerboard which provides a more accurate representation of CR.

It is possible that a consumer projector may have a slight contrast ratio edge but that's hardly the whole picture (pun intended). Did you ever see the optical path in one of these monsters versus a home projector? Quite a bit more glass for various corrections, both chromatic and geometry.

BTW, does Greg Rogers and other "good reviewers" have a Photo Research PR750? Befcause that's what we and the other major DI houses have to measure this stuff.

We rely on a checkerboard which provides a more accurate representation of CR.Just because they are both contrast ratios doesn't mean that one is a more accurate representation. ANSI CR and on/off CR tell you different things. They are both useful. ANSI CR tells you more about some scenes and on/off CR tells you more about other scenes, with the crossover points depending on the particular ANSI and on/off CRs (and other fine details). ANSI CR isn't a comprehensive test and on/off CR isn't a comprehensive test and both only tell you certain things (only conclusive with respect to the things they test for). One gives you an idea of the washout effect and one of the raised black floor effect. Both are important, and I would hope that people could understand how both the washout and floor for a particular white level would be important. The blacks in various images are affected by both.

I doubt that ANSI CR is a big differentiator for these digital cinema units compared to home DLP units. What kind of values do you measure for ANSI CR?
It is possible that a consumer projector may have a slight contrast ratio edge but that's hardly the whole picture (pun intended).Of course it isn't. But it is definitely one aspect.
BTW, does Greg Rogers and other "good reviewers" have a Photo Research PR750? Befcause that's what we and the other major DI houses have to measure this stuff.For on/off CR and/or ANSI CR? I don't see the PR750 on their site. I see the PR705 and PR715, which are spectroradiometers. I think there is a good chance that some dedicated lightmeters (not spectroradiometers) like the Minolta LS100 could do better for those measurements. I could ask Bill Cushman of widescreenreview again. He has a background dealing with test equipment and has multiple meters for different companies, including Photo Research, that he has tested. I know he said at least one of the very expensive spectroradiometers wasn't that great for very low light, but I don't recall where Photo Research fell in there.

I don't remember what meter Greg has for colors, but I believe it is one of the good ones. He may also use a different meter for CR measurements than for color measurements.

Are you measuring on/off CR or ANSI CR off the screen at full size? How low do your readings go for black level and how low does the meter go?

--Darin

I don't remember what meter Greg has for colors, but I believe it is one of the good ones. He may also use a different meter for CR measurements than for color measurements.

Are you measuring on/off CR or ANSI CR off the screen at full size? How low do your readings go for black level and how low does the meter go?

--Darin


The PR705 (yes I had a typo) can do it all. Of course we have Minoltas as well just for setting daily light level. I do happen to know on the video side we can easily pull less than an IRE difference with the PR705.

I am not directly involved with projector calibration but I do know we use a full raster 5x4 checkerboard for contrast proof of performance.

My point on this thread is here we go again with another "my Bose Wave Radio surpasses anything found in a recording studio". Any current feature you see on your HT today has been through one of these reference chains. Ditto that for most movie experiences as most prints today come from DIs.

DLP is the standard on the pro side. These models are certified by the DCI as reference grade projectors for the creation of digital cinema material. So far the Sony 4K SXRD has had poor acceptance. The Optoma H78 is a Bose Wave Radio in comparision.

Provided you don't need HDCP compliance. These projectors are not HDCP capable and never will be.
For what it's worth, this source says otherwise: http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr.aspx?newsID=1068

For what it's worth, this source says otherwise: http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr.aspx?newsID=1068

Ok it looks like this smaller unit does have HDCP. Perhaps they are looking at some high end HT sales as well.

has anybody seen anyone of these? any reviews? any price info? Looks like this might be new, but what the Christie cinema line in general? never heard of these folks before. With this kind of light output and HDCP/DVI input, I am interested!

Wonder when we'll see the order come across for Alan to check one of these out?

Richard

i just pm'd the contact for Christie for price info. Will share when I get a reply.

has anybody seen anyone of these? any reviews? any price info? Looks like this might be new, but what the Christie cinema line in general? never heard of these folks before. With this kind of light output and HDCP/DVI input, I am interested!


Most of their projectors are used in movie theaters and commercial installations (churches, casinos, stage production, etc.) You're unlike to see any comments about their projectors in consumer magazines and websites.

has anybody seen anyone of these? any reviews? any price info? Looks like this might be new, but what the Christie cinema line in general? never heard of these folks before. With this kind of light output and HDCP/DVI input, I am interested!

New model but I would guess at least $30K. The current products intheir line range from $80K to almost $200K.

yeah, well - when I win the lottery I may be in the market for one of these things.. still would like to read SOMETHING about a pj that costs more than $2k.

I'm sure this is not the kind of review, but according to the article, you can see it in Las Vegas at ShoWest until tomorrow.

http://www.digitalcinemainfo.com/christiedigitalcinema_03_11_08.php

I just found this on the web. Maybe this belongs in the $20k+ forum - no price info I could see.


We sell em for just under 50K with lens, although the actual lens selected will dictate the final price. A decent server ads... Doremi about 16K... or Dolby... about 20K depending on options.

Mark