we all know HDTV are in 1080p. This thread is not pertaining to that. This thread pertains to.

1080p in the media. We know that if a movie is infact 1.77 AR. Than the 1080p resolution is used.

Are there ANY movies in Hi-Def that have anamorphic squeeze that actually use the full 1080p and not 800P (2.40 AR)/ 818P (2.35)? If not what is stopping them? We know that the players have enough Horsepower to do such an anamorphic squeeze real time.

sidenote: The reason for this question is that I was asked why was there black bars in thier blu-rays. Directors intent was my reponse. And the next question. How to get rid of them. Which I replied 16x9 zoom.

we all know HDTV are in 1080p. This thread is not pertaining to that. This thread pertains to.

1080p in the media. We know that if a movie is infact 1.77 AR. Than the 1080p resolution is used.

Are there ANY movies in Hi-Def that have anamorphic squeeze that actually use the full 1080p and not 800P (2.40 AR)/ 818P (2.35)? If not what is stopping them? We know that the players have enough Horsepower to do such an anamorphic squeeze real time.

sidenote: The reason for this question is that I was asked why was there black bars in thier blu-rays. Directors intent was my reponse. And the next question. How to get rid of them. Which I replied 16x9 zoom.

HDTV's come in 3 "flavors"; 720, 768 and 1080

No - there are no anamorphic HD movies on disc. I am not sure it is part of the ATSC standard nor BD standard.

HDTV's come in 3 "flavors"; 720, 768 and 1080

No - there are no anamorphic HD movies on disc. I am not sure it is part of the ATSC standard nor BD standard.
Is there no reason why it couldn't be retrofitted in using BD-J?

Is there no reason why it couldn't be retrofitted in using BD-J?
Not using BD-J (java) - it would be much too slow.

But potentially the players/codecs could be changed to allow anamorphic possibly (not sure how much work that would be and it would probably make some players obsolete/incapable of playing those movies :eek: - I suppose they could do firmware updates to existing machines if possible - though it might require changes to the HDTVs too?)

What would be the point? There are no displays that could handle 1080p with an aspect ratio > 16:9. You'd just have to shrink it back down to 800, or cut off the sides so it would no longer be 1920 wide

The only people IMO who could take advantage of anamorphic HD would be those people with FPTV's and 2.35/2.40 screens . . .

About .0001% of the HD market. Too small to even measure.

HDTV's would have to come out in 2.40 AR - then then you would have Pillarboxing for 1.78/1.85 movies.

So all you did was move the black bars from the top and bottom to the sides.

What would be the point? There are no displays that could handle 1080p with an aspect ratio > 16:9. You'd just have to shrink it back down to 800, or cut off the sides so it would no longer be 1920 wide
The OP wanted the option of cutting off the sides Which I replied 16x9 zoom
- so in that case (or the case of projectors with the right anamorphic lens) it would be an advantage.

Me - I think it would be a better idea to store it in square pixels at >2K resolutions, but that's another story ;)

sorry about that.. yes cutting the sides off to fill those nice 16x9 tv with picture (not MY COMMENTS!) and no black bars on top.

So that brings up the next question. If they are not really 1080p (I myself do not count black bars as part of the 1080p equation), what should they say on the casing?

1080p including black bars! :)

Even with the black bars limiting the overall resolution, wouldn't it still be the same pixel density in any given area of the picture? As a result, you're losing resolution area as result of black bars taking up real estate, but still maintaining the same exact quality of picture where it is being shown?

Even with the black bars limiting the overall resolution, wouldn't it still be the same pixel density in any given area of the picture? As a result, you're losing resolution area as result of black bars taking up real estate, but still maintaining the same exact quality of picture where it is being shown?

No

the masters used for movies are all done with CIH in mind. Meaning that the signal at 4k is still 4k even when showing a 2.35 image.

As a matter of fact...


under DCI

for 2.39 AR films. The 4k resolution is 4096 x 1716
for 1.85. 4k Resolution is 3996 x 2160.

One hundred less in the horizontal plane (2.39 v. 1.85) v. 444 more in the vertical. They are using a 17x9 panel.