So I'm not the best. And I don't mean to whine and gripe. But after I got the game in November I promptly settled in to a .40 k/d ratio. I've since battled it back to .99.

However, this last week has been unbelievable. I'm lucky if I break 1 k/d. I'm dying 1 shot/1 kill deaths and they're living through multiple hits of a stopping powered M60 or M4. I know people are getting better and better, but the strange thing is that certain matches, or even certain parts of matches I seem to hit my gamebreaker and go off and kill 3/5/7 or so in a row. And then next match I'm back to my 14/17 games and boiling blood pressure.

Anybody else noticed anything?

And has anybody else noticed the grenade launcher (I know, I know, but it's too much fun) being less lethal and martyrdom grenades being able to kill you waaaay out there even around corners?

martyrdom is a godawful perk. i really do hate that one. and im streaky as the next guy. i can go 3:1 for a few rounds...then go 1:5 the next. talk about consistent!

It's matchmaking. It reads all your stats and compare it to others for you to compete. If
you want something different without matchmaking, go with Mercenary Team Deathmatch.
It just pulls random people everywhere regardless of stats. I was kicking ass when I am
playing the new guys, but after my stats starts building up, I suck compare to others.
Also, the people who use grenade launcher and rocket launcher for a suicide or one shot
one kill does raise anger. If you don't like the server just join another one.

I hear what you're saying...But then again, I tend to fair pretty equally across the FPS spectrum. COD4 included. Just this week I overcame a 300 kill deficit after an abysmal start I had to this game...where I kinda learned the hard way that running around Rambo style was probably not the best strategy. :rolleyes: So I'm pretty happy about crawling back to...par, I guess.

I still have good games and bad games, just like you. However, I have noticed a few things, lately, that might explain the general state of the game. For one, I think more people have realized the total powerhouse of the M16 with stopping power. Those one-hit kills you're feeling = probably this gun. Guys are also getting better with the sniper guns. The shotguns are getting a little more popular, as well. All of these weapons are one-hit kills....the M16 being a one-burst kill. I basically try sneaking around with a silenced P90 (with UAV Jammer and dead quiet) and even with this gun I can take someone down pretty quickly. This isn't RFoM...It doesn't take half a clip to kill a guy. The trick is to always think strategy...Never just run. Wait a second and listen for footsteps before you turn every corner. There are a hundred tips that guys like Avarice would be much better at writing out than me. And I really wish he would! :p

Another reason for having uneven games, is the caliber of player the game randomly hooks you up with. Sometimes I'll go into games and the whole opposing team seems totally incapable of aiming, and I can pick 'em all off in pretty large killing streaks. Then the very next game, I can be lucky to get even close to anyone. It's just the way it works out.

There is another possibility, and a very probably one: LAG! It's definitely a factor. It has to be. Sometimes I swear a guy will kill me with one or two shots from pretty far away, and in the replay he's peppering me with bullets! Stuff like this drives me mental. Now I'm no expert with lag, and the server thing, but I know some people do better because of their internet speed, compared to mine. I have always suspected that lag was a factor...Even in RFoM I often wondered how some people could consistently kill me in half the time of other people. It's just now with the replays in COD4 that I see now that my suspicions about lag were not just poor sportsmanship on my part.

Not sure what the solution would be for this, but I do know that it varies from game to game, and it would help to explain your frustrations. I guess it's just something you've got to live with...and realize that no one cares what your KDR is, or if they've killed you over and over again in a game. COD4 feels so impersonal online, that by the very next game there are 11 new complete strangers to hang out with for a while. I swear I haven't played with the same guy twice, apart from the few people that carry over from game to game for a while.

We all have great games and horrible games. That's how it is. The damn TWW guys got me into the hardcore games and I can't go back. I'm sorry but emptying 100 rounds from a P90 to kill someone isn't working for me anymore.

With hardcore, its basically 1 shot, 1 kill with just about every weapon. Changes the game completely. You rely more on tactics than the power of your gun. I've been at the 1.20 k/d ratio forever and can't seem to increase it. I'll get into some games and stink it up so bad that expletives fly to prevent my DS3 from flying.... across the room. I just quit for awhile and get back into it. Breathe deep, count to 10, find game. ;)

Stick with it bro.

I'm sorry but emptying 100 rounds from a P90 to kill someone isn't working for me anymore.

Stick with it bro.

You use a P90, squatch??? Bah!!

A real man uses an MP5 silencer.

Its lag intentionally created by the host. Search ping/lag creator on google...

Its lag intentionally created by the host. Search ping/lag creator on google...

yeah, but how the **** do you even know when you're the host? as far as i know, they don't tell you this information. and for good reason, given your link.

M14 with stopping power in hardcore is one shot no matter where you hit 'em. Lot of recoil but I love that gun.

TWW got me into hardcore too and I can't go back to regular game. I played the first time on Sunday night in over a month. I missed the gameplay but not the annoying people. Mute capabilities would be nice.

I had a guy snipe me across the BOG last night..
on replay.. he lined up a pretty obvious standing target, then out of the blue, aimed left and fired a shot into my proned, behind a bush head.

In the replay, i couldn't even see me... thought it was a fluke, until he nailed me the exact same way three times. (aiming for someone else, then nailing me right in the noggin) just how accurate are these replays anyway?

You use a P90, squatch??? Bah!!

A real man uses an MP5 silencer.


/guilty but I was talking about normal vs. hardcore. ;)

I actually use the P90 w/silencer due to it crazy accuracy. I was camping that little alley next to the wood bridge (Overgrown) and sniping fools on the stone bridge. With a silenced p90! The extra rounds doesn't hurt either. I was a diehard mp5/silencer guy but the extra dmg that the mp5 wasn't necessary in HC so i'm back to the P90. Accurate, good range, good for CQC too.

I've actually started using the G3 to unlock the scopes in HC. Its pretty damn good even though its semi only.

yeah, but how the **** do you even know when you're the host? as far as i know, they don't tell you this information. and for good reason, given your link.

The way I know is if you join the game that is starting fast your timer will be at like 9 or 10 and nobody else is in yet... otherwise it is someone else hosting

So I'm not the best. And I don't mean to whine and gripe. But after I got the game in November I promptly settled in to a .40 k/d ratio. I've since battled it back to .99.

However, this last week has been unbelievable. I'm lucky if I break 1 k/d. I'm dying 1 shot/1 kill deaths and they're living through multiple hits of a stopping powered M60 or M4. I know people are getting better and better, but the strange thing is that certain matches, or even certain parts of matches I seem to hit my gamebreaker and go off and kill 3/5/7 or so in a row. And then next match I'm back to my 14/17 games and boiling blood pressure.?

I can see your frustration. Anything under a .5 k\d ratio is not good.

Im at 1.21 and I never go a round with more deaths than a kill unless Host Ends server. I only play search and destory now, easier to rank up and is way more fun and strategic.

It's taken me quite a while to recover (k/d ratio wise) from my dismal beginning - I've finally gone from a typical 7/17 match to 17/7 match, of course this is not always the case, results will vary.

Good days and bad days, that seems to be one of the only consistent themes of COD4, at least for me and as of late. I'm no ace, I'm no noob but there are definitely times in which I feel like both. Just last evening I was getting my cyber a$$ handed to me while playing Bog in a lag plagued match, but on the flip of that the very next match was great - no lag and back in form.

I generally don't experience a ton of lag, call me lucky in that regard but during the match last evening it was quite apparent, the lag was a major factor for everyone in the room, so much so that almost everyone had red bars. I assume that no matter how much or how well your connection maybe, if the host is not up to par than the rest will suffer, I've just never experienced a match with some many afflicted and with some many red bars.

/guilty but I was talking about normal vs. hardcore. ;)

I actually use the P90 w/silencer due to it crazy accuracy. I was camping that little alley next to the wood bridge (Overgrown) and sniping fools on the stone bridge. With a silenced p90! The extra rounds doesn't hurt either. I was a diehard mp5/silencer guy but the extra dmg that the mp5 wasn't necessary in HC so i'm back to the P90. Accurate, good range, good for CQC too.

I've actually started using the G3 to unlock the scopes in HC. Its pretty damn good even though its semi only.


G3 with red dot is my new favorite weapon. You can snipe someone across the map or get trigger happy up close and it is a one shot one kill in hardcore.

Besides lag the single most biggest factor in my k/d being low is bad teammates. Do to time constrants i play domination to get my quick fix, and if my team is crap i 90% of the time am crap too. No communication noobish playing style, maybe it's just me. But lag bugs the hell outa me to can't wait for the patch. Still the only game i'll be playing for awhile too much fun.

Rumble support would be nice, but muting and voting are a must add because in the Hardcore team modes just about everyone is wearing a mic, and the line can get pretty chatty. It's these punk kids who having nothing to add to the game, other than to piss people off that ruin everything. You have to be able to vote them out or at lease mute them.

My biggest gripe with the online game is the Juggernaut and Martyrdom Perks. Juggernaut makes it so that you can take two to three shots from a sniper, which is absolute rubbish. Added health in general is just lame. The fact that I can sneak up behind someone looking out a window and stab them, only for them to kill me with dropped nade that I can't do anything about because maybe we're in a closed space is also rubbish. Both of those perks do nothing but reward a person who has been either out smarted or just out gunned.

Socom can't get here soon enough. I hope most of you guys are registered on the Playstation site so that you'll be eligible to partake in the beta this summer.

I play on the Xbox, but man do I agree with some of these sentiments about the kill cams and lag. Sometimes on the kill cam it looks like Im just standing there like an idiot not firing a bullet while my enemy takes 3 seconds lining up his shot. From my perspective I rounded a corner, fired right away and seemingly had the jump on the guy. Stuff like that angers me.

I just played it for the first time in 2 months yesterday and it's just as bad as I remembered. My 1.97 KD before the January patch has been steadily declining every time I play thanks to strange lag occurances and me dying in seemingly 1 hit sometimes (thanks to the lag). I don't see why they can't just put the netcode back to the way it was in December. At least the game was fun.

I play on the Xbox, but man do I agree with some of these sentiments about the kill cams and lag. Sometimes on the kill cam it looks like Im just standing there like an idiot not firing a bullet while my enemy takes 3 seconds lining up his shot. From my perspective I rounded a corner, fired right away and seemingly had the jump on the guy. Stuff like that angers me.

Same with me. There will be times when I'll just start to round a corner, start getting shot at, quickly duck back around the corner, only to die behind cover anyway. And in the replay it shows me just standing there the entire time...like an idiot, as you say. Is it a matter of my internet speed not being as fast as the other guy's, or is it just a crap replay? It does bring into question the whole notion of internet speed + Lag = success in these shooters. Maybe I'll make a poll about this later.

My biggest gripe with the online game is the Juggernaut and Martyrdom Perks. Juggernaut makes it so that you can take two to three shots from a sniper, which is absolute rubbish. Added health in general is just lame. The fact that I can sneak up behind someone looking out a window and stab them, only for them to kill me with dropped nade that I can't do anything about because maybe we're in a closed space is also rubbish. Both of those perks do nothing but reward a person who has been either out smarted or just out gunned.

I hate getting killed with Martyrdom - especially when I've snuck my way half way across a map to stab someone in the back! :( However, I don't mind when people use it. If they're willing to give up better perks like stopping power, or even the UAV Jammer, that's up to them. Personally, I figure I get a lot more kills with stopping power than I'd ever get with Martyrdom. Having said that, there was a guy in a game yesterday, using Martyrdom and a shotgun, in the vacant map (the one with all the small rooms inside)...and basically all he did was run from room to room and down the hallways. Meeting him around a corner pretty much meant you were dead, and even when you managed to kill him, his Martyrdom would take at least one of us out.

That's all part of the beauty of this game, I find....The perks give you so many different ways of playing. And all you gotta do is play the averages. Not everyone has Martyrdom. Plus, technically you still get the kill if they do, and it gets you. I guess there's some comfort in that, right? :o

It's matchmaking. It reads all your stats and compare it to others for you to compete. If
you want something different without matchmaking, go with Mercenary Team Deathmatch.
It just pulls random people everywhere regardless of stats.

This is the first time I read this about Mercenary Team Deathmatch. I recall reading in the Infinity Ward website when this new playlist came out that all this game type did was put you against random people meaning they were not a clan/team. Regular matchmaking still applied IIRC.

Overall I still enjoy the game. I have been playing it since early Dec. I agree that a few things in the patch would make it a little better like muting and assumming they improve how the game handles lag. My biggest gripe is how the game handles bad connections.

I play on the Xbox, but man do I agree with some of these sentiments about the kill cams and lag. Sometimes on the kill cam it looks like Im just standing there like an idiot not firing a bullet while my enemy takes 3 seconds lining up his shot. From my perspective I rounded a corner, fired right away and seemingly had the jump on the guy. Stuff like that angers me.

+1....exactly.


PS3 is the same way. I personally don't think the patch will help.

I do really enjoy the gameplay, but the lag that has plagued the game since the Jan. 9th update has me somewhat turned off anymore.

I had a guy snipe me across the BOG last night..
on replay.. he lined up a pretty obvious standing target, then out of the blue, aimed left and fired a shot into my proned, behind a bush head.

In the replay, i couldn't even see me... thought it was a fluke, until he nailed me the exact same way three times. (aiming for someone else, then nailing me right in the noggin) just how accurate are these replays anyway?

they're not accurate AT ALL. i'll come across someone right in front of me and we'll just begin firing at each other, and i KNOW i'm hitting them right in the chest and head, and somehow i end up dying....but then it shows the replay and i dont hit him at all. its real bvllsh1t, cuz they should at least give me some credit for hitting him, rather than shooting blindly 5 ft to his left.

they're not accurate AT ALL. i'll come across someone right in front of me and we'll just begin firing at each other, and i KNOW i'm hitting them right in the chest and head, and somehow i end up dying....but then it shows the replay and i dont hit him at all. its real bvllsh1t, cuz they should at least give me some credit for hitting him, rather than shooting blindly 5 ft to his left.

Is that the kill cam, or is it lag? It might appear to you that you're hitting him, but because the two of you might have different internet speeds, one of you might be slightly ahead, or behind the other. Whoever has the faster internet connection has a great advantage, I would think. I have experienced the same discrepancy in close quarters combats on the kill cam, and it has really made me feel discouraged about having any hope of improving in the game.

I am completely dumbfounded how they've allowed the net code to go to hell on this game over the months. When this game first launched on the PS3, the game ran near perfect online. I mean lag was almost unnoticable for the most part.


Now it's just common place, and finding a good smooth match is a rarity. The sad thing is the 360 version still runs as smooth as ever, so what this tells me is that Infinity Ward just continues to treat the PS3 version of this game like the red headed stepchild. The fact is the customers didn't pay any less for their PS3 copy of the game, but that doesn't seem to stop them from playing favorites. I think they simply don't care about the servers and fixing them when things go wrong, so over time it just goes to hell.

I'm just praying this patch comes out NOW, and fixes all of this, but I really have my doubts right now.

... The sad thing is the 360 version still runs as smooth as ever, so what this tells me is that Infinity Ward just continues to treat the PS3 version of this game like the red headed stepchild.

Its not all peaches on the 360 version either.

I've gotta add my two cents. I have put the juggernaut perk on to counteract the stopping power perk on other's characters....

HOWEVER!!! I seem to get dropped in one or two shots from an SAW or something. It is complete frustrating. The effort it takes for me to get a kill with several well placed shots is nothing compared to how easily I get shot down...What the HECK

^^^Ummm, peaches......uggghh!!!

My brother-in-law is a COD4/360 owner (his third due to the RRoD mind you) and I know for a fact that he's had the same "types" of issues that we've been experience on the PS3 side of the fence. Of course things not being equal, that really mean little but it is a tiny fraction of a percent encouraging to know that the competition is not without problems as well.

When this update finally arrives, if things are still the same.....god help you IW, god help you:)

Its not all peaches on the 360 version either.

^^^Ummm, peaches......uggghh!!!

My brother-in-law is a COD4/360 owner (his third due to the RRoD mind you) and I know for a fact that he's had the same "types" of issues that we've been experience on the PS3 side of the fence. Of course things not being equal, that really mean little but it is a tiny fraction of a percent encouraging to know that the competition is not without problems as well.

When this update finally arrives, if things are still the same.....god help you IW, god help you:)

360/COD4 has already been given the update/patch. Does this mean the PS3 patch will not fix our issues if they are still experiencing problems?

360/COD4 has already been given the update/patch. Does this mean the PS3 patch will not fix our issues if they are still experiencing problems?

From what I gathered from him (I was over at his place on Monday evening), the patch seemed to be mostly feature based: kill cam, sniper fix, mute...etc... than connection based, again per his wording.

I asked him if he had less connectivity issues since the patch...his response was "yes and no". He mentioned that the lag seems to be less frequent, less of game changing problem but he also said that it's still there, at times that is....guess that's just a issue of the p2p setup maybe this will never be fully resolved.

Since this is all hearsay take it for what it's worth, but what I came away with after watching him play a few matches and after speaking with him was: I don't believe the big picture in terms of lag/p2p issues were addressed, at least not completely addressed as of yet.

The lag indication I get is mainly from the kill cam. And it's really weird how off and on it'll be. Actually, maybe the kill cam isn't my main indicator of lag. I just finished 5 games, and I went about 22-5 in each of them...EVERYTHING I was aiming at I seemed to take down fast with my silenced P90. The kill cam also showed accurate deaths. The games before that, though, I was getting SMOKED, and the kill cam was re-writing history all over the place.

It's becoming not only an actual problem, but a psychological one as well, now. This lag thing gets talked about sooooo much that every time I do badly I get it in my head that it must be lag. And of course it would have to be, right! :p Oh, well...I'm still enjoying the game. For now, anyway. It usually doesn't take me long until the same old maps begin to make me feel like vomiting. :o

The game has gone downhill extremely quick since the last patch. I was able to stay in games for roughly a month after it came out. It was like a lightswitch went off and then all the connection problems came out. Stuttering, lag, games dropping out, etc.

I miss my p90. But that is what I get for resetting my rank. I loved being able to go Rambo on each and every map with a silenced p90. Since I don't have the weapon yet, I have to snoop and crawl around. :(

The lag indication I get is mainly from the kill cam. And it's really weird how off and on it'll be. Actually, maybe the kill cam isn't my main indicator of lag. I just finished 5 games, and I went about 22-5 in each of them...EVERYTHING I was aiming at I seemed to take down fast with my silenced P90. The kill cam also showed accurate deaths. The games before that, though, I was getting SMOKED, and the kill cam was re-writing history all over the place.

It's becoming not only an actual problem, but a psychological one as well, now. This lag thing gets talked about sooooo much that every time I do badly I get it in my head that it must be lag. And of course it would have to be, right! :p Oh, well...I'm still enjoying the game. For now, anyway. It usually doesn't take me long until the same old maps begin to make me feel like vomiting. :o


You're a scholar Kess. You've explained it to a "T", I think. The only thing the Kill Cam is good at is showing LAG. Without the Kill Cam I believe strongly that the complaining wouldn't be so bad...As far as kills go.

Suggestion: Play more hardcore!!!!

1. G3 shouldnt be a 1 hit kill in HC.
2. The m14 should never be more than a 2 hit kill in all game types, as is theres no reason to use it vs the m16.
3. I'd like to see kill cams in HD so I can see where the !!!! some of the campers are actually sitting at.
4. I've gone on a crazy winning streak the last few days. Over a 5 hour play session the other night my K/D was in the range of 400/90. Whatever it is, may it please continue.

Its lag intentionally created by the host. Search ping/lag creator on google...

Ive seen that a lot. All players in the match have red pings and the host has 4 green bars and something outragious like 80 kills in a headquarters. I havent looked into it at all but know what they were doing.

Sorry but this sounds like whining to me, I have some good days and some bad days, but the game itself hasn't changed and I don't buy that there is some evil ping/lag tool in use either. Sometimes you just have a round where everyone keeps getting the drop on you, other times not. I can stay in the same group of FFA players and stay in the top half of the board, but the top 3 rotates constantly. This is more a sign of good competitive players than an issue with the game. You can't win every round and others you get severely pwnd.

Sorry but this sounds like whining to me, I have some good days and some bad days, but the game itself hasn't changed and I don't buy that there is some evil ping/lag tool in use either. Sometimes you just have a round where everyone keeps getting the drop on you, other times not. I can stay in the same group of FFA players and stay in the top half of the board, but the top 3 rotates constantly. This is more a sign of good competitive players than an issue with the game. You can't win every round and others you get severely pwnd.

Any half arss kiddy scripter who has a good router can throttle bandwidth on it (QOS). After some tweaking, they could easily hose up people in a match with no problems at all. Throttle them to the point that they don’t drop but have a hell of a hard time trying to play. Easy to do. I could do it on a $1000 Sonic wall.

Any half arss kiddy scripter who has a good router can throttle bandwidth on it (QOS). After some tweaking, they could easily hose up people in a match with no problems at all. Throttle them to the point that they don’t drop but have a hell of a hard time trying to play. Easy to do. I could do it on a $1000 Sonic wall.

It is somewhat "easy" to do for the right person, but it isn't common and I still don't believe it. Sounds like some of you just can't imagine that other players are at least as good as you.

And how many script kiddies have a Sonic Wall sitting around?

You tube search lag switches.

You tube search lag switches.

I didn't say it doesn't exist (well, maybe my language wasn't clear), it doesn't exist in such quantity to really make the game unplayable. I play 5-10 rounds minimum 2-3 days a week and I only run in to major lag once every couple days. I have two co-workers who play as well and they have similair experiences. No doubt there are cheating idiots out there, but they aren't the majority.

I totally agree with you and I didn't mention the you tube search to show how prevalent it is. I simply suggested the search so one could see how easy it is for the offenders to do. It's not very complicated and it will pretty much ruin online gaming without some sort of policing.

I didn't say it doesn't exist (well, maybe my language wasn't clear), it doesn't exist in such quantity to really make the game unplayable. I play 5-10 rounds minimum 2-3 days a week and I only run in to major lag once every couple days. I have two co-workers who play as well and they have similair experiences. No doubt there are cheating idiots out there, but they aren't the majority.


Considering the aggressive way you attacked people commenting here (inferring that they are whiners) I will infer something about you. You don’t think its prevalent and easy to do. I will then state that you just have a rudimentary knowledge of networks and computers in general if you think doing something like that would be difficult. People here aren’t complaining about being “owned” we all get owned all the time on COD, hell I’m still a rookie. We are discussing how people hit games with extreme lag for all players (1 red bar) except the host (4 green bars) which infers cheating. Bad time for you to swoop in with an elitist “you all suck and stop whining” attitude. In general that attitude works on the World of Warcraft forums but most people here are intelligent adults, not 13 year olds with a vendetta vs the gamming world.

The sad thing is the 360 version still runs as smooth as ever, so what this tells me is that Infinity Ward just continues to treat the PS3 version of this game like the red headed stepchild.


Its not all peaches on the 360 version either.


I own both versions of the game, and have for months now. The 360 version has always run as well as you could possibly hope for in a P2P enviornment.


So I have first hand knowledge of what I'm saying here. I regularly play both versions, and the PS3 version routinely has more lag than the 360 version.


Also, the recent 360 patch did in fact have some net code tweaks to it, and the performance is better than ever right now. It was already damn near perfect, but now even the largest 18 player matches run smoothly for the most part.

Its not all peaches on the 360 version either.

Yep, definitely not just the PS3. The patch has caused all sorts of lag related problems on my end, and I have terrific internet. The patch most definitely tweaked with the net code but it didnt necessarily make it better for EVERYONE.

^^^That was the impression I received from my brother-in-law who does his gaming on the 360 court.

Funny thing about changing/tweaking the code: seems to carry with it an innate ability to rectify an issue for thousands, but also cause new problems for others; others whom may or may not have been affected by the initial set of issues. Has a global, end-all patch been presented....afraid not, but that's not to say that IW isn't inching closer to where we think the online play should be.

There are simply endless configuration being used to access these titles - different ISP, greatly varying speeds of connections, vast differences interims of networking hardware from one gamer to the next, global location of gamers....the list goes on and on. It's by no means an excuse for some of the action undertaken by some developers but in the grand scheme 100% neutrality may in fact be unattainable.

I get just as frustrated as the next guy, where will this end is anyones guess but I'm sure not all of us will be pleased.

Honestly, I can live with the lag issue and having a bad game now and again. What I will not be able to take for much longer is the Host issues. Last night I played for 4-hours. An hour of that was waiting around for all of us to rejoin the same party. If that's not bad enough, we played Countdown and Strike almost the whole night because you can't go for longer than a couple of games in a room without getting the boot. What is there, 11 maps or so but half them you never play because of having to start a new room.

I didn't say it doesn't exist (well, maybe my language wasn't clear), it doesn't exist in such quantity to really make the game unplayable. I play 5-10 rounds minimum 2-3 days a week and I only run in to major lag once every couple days. I have two co-workers who play as well and they have similair experiences. No doubt there are cheating idiots out there, but they aren't the majority.

When you have PS3 users *cough* EYEOFSOCOM *cough* using a lag switch on HIGH STAKES POKER, its more prevalent than you think.

I do agree that the cheaters are the minority but the idiots are definately the majority. Just listen to voice chat in EVERY f'n game:

1. voice changers
2. wannabe gangsters straight from the streets. (so they say)
3. dumbass rednecks
4. How do you make your name in color guys......
5. 12 year olds spewing expletives

or
suburban 12 year old wannabe gangsters that use the voice changer AND his name is in cyan.
or even better:

THE HEAVY BREATHER.

When you have PS3 users *cough* EYEOFSOCOM *cough* using a lag switch on HIGH STAKES POKER, its more prevalent than you think.

I do agree that the cheaters are the minority but the idiots are definately the majority. Just listen to voice chat in EVERY f'n game:

1. voice changers
2. wannabe gangsters straight from the streets. (so they say)
3. dumbass rednecks
4. How do you make your name in color guys......
5. 12 year olds spewing expletives

or
suburban 12 year old wannabe gangsters that use the voice changer AND his name is in cyan.
or even better:

THE HEAVY BREATHER.

You forgot one:

The 37 year old Cuban crunching on Chex-Mix while his wife is yelling at him in the background because he forgot to turn off the stove 20 minutes before and burned dinner.

You forgot one:

The 37 year old Cuban crunching on Chex-Mix while his wife is yelling at him in the background because he forgot to turn off the stove 20 minutes before and burned dinner.

I'd pay full retail for a mute function. :D

I'd pay full retail for a mute function. :D

I agree... that's why I don't ever wear my headset unless I'm playing with a friend.

To me, the headset is there so you can call out enemies or coordinate maneuvers and such while playing. That's how it was when we played SOCOM. On COD4, no one talks unless it's to make noise, talk ****, or play their freaking Techno crap music as loud as possible.

Honestly, I can live with the lag issue and having a bad game now and again. What I will not be able to take for much longer is the Host issues. Last night I played for 4-hours. An hour of that was waiting around for all of us to rejoin the same party. If that's not bad enough, we played Countdown and Strike almost the whole night because you can't go for longer than a couple of games in a room without getting the boot. What is there, 11 maps or so but half them you never play because of having to start a new room.

What's wrong with rednecks?!

What's wrong with rednecks?!

Rednecks? Who said anything about Rednecks? :confused:

You forgot one:

The 37 year old Cuban crunching on Chex-Mix while his wife is yelling at him in the background because he forgot to turn off the stove 20 minutes before and burned dinner.

LOL! I swear I've heard crap like that too! lol! I used to be a PC gamer only, and gave the PS3 a chance - I love COD4 even though I suck, the only issue I have IS the kill cam. I see no use for it. It gives away your position - certainly if you're a sniper. Get rid of it.

LOL! I swear I've heard crap like that too! lol! I used to be a PC gamer only, and gave the PS3 a chance - I love COD4 even though I suck, the only issue I have IS the kill cam. I see no use for it. It gives away your position - certainly if you're a sniper. Get rid of it.


That is the point, the devs have said they built the maps so no place is safe for too long and the kill cam would cut down on snipers and campers having unlimited safety. I love the kill cam, I learn from my mistakes and train on blind corners and hiding spots.

LOL! I swear I've heard crap like that too! lol! I used to be a PC gamer only, and gave the PS3 a chance - I love COD4 even though I suck, the only issue I have IS the kill cam. I see no use for it. It gives away your position - certainly if you're a sniper. Get rid of it.


Play hardcore, kill cam problem solved

Rednecks? Who said anything about Rednecks? :confused:


Sorry, I copied the wrong quote...Cysqatch said he hated dumbass rednecks.

Sorry, I copied the wrong quote...Cysqatch said he hated dumbass rednecks.

ya, I feel the same way :)

Red necks are cool, dumbass red necks suck :)

That is the point, the devs have said they built the maps so no place is safe for too long and the kill cam would cut down on snipers and campers having unlimited safety. I love the kill cam, I learn from my mistakes and train on blind corners and hiding spots.

Ya, people cant complain about that. It they do (kill cam) then they would have to get into the detailed philosophical problem that you are re-incarnated every time you die :)

My thought is this. I’m shot to death by a sniper and as I am dying, my brain activity is still functioning for a few minutes, long enough to see the sniper. When god or gods or aliens (if that’s the way you believe) reincarnate me, I remember where they are at!

Ya, people cant complain about that. It they do (kill cam) then they would have to get into the detailed philosophical problem that you are re-incarnated every time you die :)

My thought is this. I’m shot to death by a sniper and as I am dying, my brain activity is still functioning for a few minutes, long enough to see the sniper. When god or gods or aliens (if that’s the way you believe) reincarnate me, I remember where they are at!

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

I like to hunt them down and Machine-gun their heads, but that is just me.

When you have PS3 users *cough* EYEOFSOCOM *cough* using a lag switch on HIGH STAKES POKER, its more prevalent than you think.

I do agree that the cheaters are the minority but the idiots are definately the majority. Just listen to voice chat in EVERY f'n game:

1. voice changers
2. wannabe gangsters straight from the streets. (so they say)
3. dumbass rednecks
4. How do you make your name in color guys......
5. 12 year olds spewing expletives

or
suburban 12 year old wannabe gangsters that use the voice changer AND his name is in cyan.
or even better:

THE HEAVY BREATHER.

Dont forget the whistle...... man do people even know they are doing it? :mad:

When you have PS3 users *cough* EYEOFSOCOM *cough* using a lag switch on HIGH STAKES POKER, its more prevalent than you think.

I do agree that the cheaters are the minority but the idiots are definately the majority. Just listen to voice chat in EVERY f'n game:

1. voice changers
2. wannabe gangsters straight from the streets. (so they say)
3. dumbass rednecks
4. How do you make your name in color guys......
5. 12 year olds spewing expletives

or
suburban 12 year old wannabe gangsters that use the voice changer AND his name is in cyan.
or even better:

THE HEAVY BREATHER.

Problem solved, turn on head set, turn down head set, sit on end table next to cold beverage, enjoy. Yes it is lame, but less lame than listening to the idiots that exist on every game network. That said, overall I run in to about 1 round in 10 with a serious idiot on the chat, I just don't want the 10th game full or morons blaring through my speakers.

Quick question..... I own this game on PC, but my buddy wants me to get it for PS3 so we can play online. I rented the PS3 version and beat the single player but I don't remember too much about the MP. Anyway, here is my question:

If you have a bluetooth headset...does the voice chat go through the headset or through your speakears?

Any help is appreciated,

Square

you can set the chat to go thru either in the BT acessory setting on the XMB

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If you have a bluetooth headset...does the voice chat go through the headset or through your speakears?

Any help is appreciated,

Square

If you don't have a headset the voice chat goes thru the speakers and you can not mute it. The upcoming patch will let you mute players.

If you have a headset the voice chat goes thru the headset assumming you set it like that in the XMB

this game is seriously to the point where its 100% un-fvcking-playable for me. and im a pretty decent player, im not just griping cuz im bad and everyone else is better. this game is ridiculous.

i cant even count how many freaking times im just wailing away on a guy right in the head, and instead of blowing his brains to hell, apparently it just puts him in a great position to kill me with one shot to the shoulder. and then to make things even better, the replay shows that i didnt even shoot my weapon until he had already shot me. but the only reason he had the reflex to shoot me, is because i started shooting him.

this happens like 10 times every freaking match, and im about to snap my freaking cod disc in half and just end this BS.

its so fun and so addicting, but it really is a terrible game that makes me more mad than anything else in my life right now.

this game is seriously to the point where its 100% un-fvcking-playable for me. and im a pretty decent player, im not just griping cuz im bad and everyone else is better. this game is ridiculous.

i cant even count how many freaking times im just wailing away on a guy right in the head, and instead of blowing his brains to hell, apparently it just puts him in a great position to kill me with one shot to the shoulder. and then to make things even better, the replay shows that i didnt even shoot my weapon until he had already shot me. but the only reason he had the reflex to shoot me, is because i started shooting him.

this happens like 10 times every freaking match, and im about to snap my freaking cod disc in half and just end this BS.

its so fun and so addicting, but it really is a terrible game that makes me more mad than anything else in my life right now.

Play hardcore game modes. I hate playing regular because you are right it takes way too many shots to kill someone. All our clan plays anymore is hardcore and we all love it and can't go back to regular. Give it a try and guarantee you will appreciate the game much more!

bcrossan7...I hope you are right, because i experience the same thing (when I actually used to play).

I got tired of sitting their unloading a full clip on someone only for them to turn around and shoot me once (in some non vital area) and I collapse.

Frustrating to no end!

this game is seriously to the point where its 100% un-fvcking-playable for me. and im a pretty decent player, im not just griping cuz im bad and everyone else is better. this game is ridiculous.

i cant even count how many freaking times im just wailing away on a guy right in the head, and instead of blowing his brains to hell, apparently it just puts him in a great position to kill me with one shot to the shoulder. and then to make things even better, the replay shows that i didnt even shoot my weapon until he had already shot me. but the only reason he had the reflex to shoot me, is because i started shooting him.

this happens like 10 times every freaking match, and im about to snap my freaking cod disc in half and just end this BS.

its so fun and so addicting, but it really is a terrible game that makes me more mad than anything else in my life right now.

I hear ya, man. What you've described happens to me all the time, too. Sometimes I'll be shooting a guy in the back, and he'll turn around and kill me with one shot. And of course the replay shows me barely shooting at all, and him a dozen times!

However, having said that, I'm beginning to think that the replay isn't intended to show you any kind of accurate recreation of the bullet count. For one, that might be too many variables for the programming to keep track of. (That's a lot of bullets in a game to keep track of, if you think of it.) Instead, I think replays are merely there to show you who shot you, and where he was. I think my theory is correct, because I always seem to shoot the same amount in a replay. It never changes much from the one or two shots.

COD4 is a very tricky game. You really do have to be careful. A quick millisecond burst from an M16 will take you down. Most guns finish you off pretty quickly, actually. It's kinda funny, because I hopped into Warhawk last week when the new map came out, and I was amused to remember that it takes about 10 seconds to kill a guy with your gun in that game! You can sprint, jump, have a coffee break, and run down the street for 40 yards before you have to worry about dying. Different game types. Different strategies. COD4 also doesn't have the crazy auto-aim that Warhawk does. Warhawk has glue-like aim, whereas COD4 pretty much requires an exact aim. Sometimes when you think you're hitting someone, you could be off just a bit. That's the thing. The precision required can sometimes be very frustrating.

Try changing your sensitivity too. I play up a few levels from the default and that helps me turn and hit someone faster as well.

And remember a lot of it has to do with the gun you are using and the power it has, and also the perks you have and the guy you are shooting has. Jugernaut makes people harder to kill and you using Stopping Power and Deep Imact will take people down easier.

Try changing your sensitivity too. I play up a few levels from the default and that helps me turn and hit someone faster as well.

And remember a lot of it has to do with the gun you are using and the power it has, and also the perks you have and the guy you are shooting has. Jugernaut makes people harder to kill and you using Stopping Power and Deep Imact will take people down easier.

yeah, i never really tried hardcore i guess. i love seeing "+10" pop up on the screen. sabotage is probably my favorite game, but im frustrated like 97% of the time, so its not as fun (said whilst im downloading that damn game pack, freaking addicting game).

Come on. The game is great. Sure there are some lagers, but that is the same on all games. I am really bad at the game, but I can't blame the game, it is my skill. My bro plays on the same system, with a different user, and he is just making people cry every game! In the end the only difference i notice is when my online is through Ethernet, or when it is through wireless. Regardless it is still playable!

For about the last week my kill ratio has been dropping when it has been rising steadily since February from .43 to 1.03. Now I'm already at 1.02 (it takes several since I'm over 13k).

Anyway, the new maps look great, but something is up because I'm getting owned by the most ridiculous crap ever. My double tap SAW to the face vs. your silenced mp5......and I lose every time.

Anybody else noticed a difference in the last 7-10 days with things changing?

You forgot one:

The 37 year old Cuban crunching on Chex-Mix while his wife is yelling at him in the background because he forgot to turn off the stove 20 minutes before and burned dinner.

Hahahah! YES!! I swear that's the thing I hear at least 10% of the time I play.

For about the last week my kill ratio has been dropping when it has been rising steadily since February from .43 to 1.03. Now I'm already at 1.02 (it takes several since I'm over 13k).

Anyway, the new maps look great, but something is up because I'm getting owned by the most ridiculous crap ever. My double tap SAW to the face vs. your silenced mp5......and I lose every time.

Anybody else noticed a difference in the last 7-10 days with things changing?I've been playing hardcore for a while now and I love it. I accidentally went to "regular" mode and I didn't want to take the L by quitting so I stuck it out for the map and I just couldn't believe the BS that was going on. I would lock my sights on someone the same way I do on hardcore, pull the trigger and keep it held, aimed right at them, every bullet hitting them, and then I would die. Look at the kill cam (which I never watch - not available in hardcore) and just as I suspected, my guy shoots like one bullet, which DID hit, but the next dozen bullets evidently the game didn't even know I shot.

I can see why this is annoying to people - I could never go back to that crap. I think I had just accepted it for a while, but on hardcore, I almost never have to pull the BS card. The only times I really scream BS is when I see someone first, pull the trigger to shoot them, but I'm already dead because they shot first (somehow). It's better than knowing you shot them and not getting credit, but it's still annoying.

I've been playing hardcore for a while now and I love it. I accidentally went to "regular" mode and I didn't want to take the L by quitting so I stuck it out for the map and I just couldn't believe the BS that was going on. I would lock my sights on someone the same way I do on hardcore, pull the trigger and keep it held, aimed right at them, every bullet hitting them, and then I would die. Look at the kill cam (which I never watch - not available in hardcore) and just as I suspected, my guy shoots like one bullet, which DID hit, but the next dozen bullets evidently the game didn't even know I shot.

I can see why this is annoying to people - I could never go back to that crap. I think I had just accepted it for a while, but on hardcore, I almost never have to pull the BS card. The only times I really scream BS is when I see someone first, pull the trigger to shoot them, but I'm already dead because they shot first (somehow). It's better than knowing you shot them and not getting credit, but it's still annoying.



So hit detection is off in regular mode keeping you from getting all your kills but in hardcore it's fine, amusing complaint. Maybe it's that your use to playing hardcore where bullets cause more damage and therefore kill faster.

...I just couldn't believe the BS that was going on. I would lock my sights on someone the same way I do on hardcore, pull the trigger and keep it held, aimed right at them, every bullet hitting them, and then I would die. Look at the kill cam and just as I suspected, my guy shoots like one bullet, which DID hit, but the next dozen bullets evidently the game didn't even know I shot.

Dude, that's what the saying "you juggernaut bitch" was made for.

Seriously, I have no problems playing S&D on regular mode. I am a 55 gold cross, but I've yet to run into the kinds of trouble you've experienced.

It's too bad, because I wouldn't mind going a couple of rounds against you on S&D regular (rarely, if ever go on Hardcore). :p

Dude, that's what the saying "you juggernaut bitch" was made for.

Seriously, I have no problems playing S&D on regular mode. I am a 55 gold cross, but I've yet to run into the kinds of trouble you've experienced.

It's too bad, because I wouldn't mind going a couple of rounds against you on S&D regular (rarely, if ever go on Hardcore). :pThis particular time wasn't a juggernaut type thing. It was the fact that I shot half a clip of mp5 + stopping power at someone, and clearly only one bullet of that registered. I remember having tons of problems with this sort of thing a while back, before I went to hardcore. After the patch I started playing exclusively hardcore and fell in love with it. I assumed the improved hit detection was a matter of the patch fixing it. Evidently there is more to it than that.

And for the record, yes I am implying that the hit detection is better in hardcore mode. Those of you who are complaining about poor hit detection, try out hardcore mode. Those of you who find everything to be fine, carry on :)

EDIT: A possible technical reason that they might be different, is because in hardcore, the game is usually only figuring out "who shot first" since basically one or two bullets kills. In regular mode, the game is mincing "how many bullets flew from person a, how many from person b" and is putting a timestamp on every bullet, which could be quite a few. And perhaps there is some confusion/error on the timestamping of the bullets. In hardcore, the only mincing of these timestamps that needs to be done is "which one was first?" In the mp5 scenario I described, I actually hit the guy first. Had it been hardcore, he would have died. I continued to hit him in the chest area with every shot but it seems those bullets didn't get timestamped before the 3 or 4 bullets he shot in reaction to mine. These are the hit detection problems that plague COD4, for me and apparently others, but are less prevalent in hardcore mode, IMHO, possibly for the reason I just described. It wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal if the game "synced" better to reality. That is, only let me shoot one bullet if that's all the game is going to register. I shouldn't be emptying half my clip wondering why they aren't hitting before the server finally informs my side that it's because I was dead half a clip ago.

EDIT: A possible technical reason that they might be different, is because in hardcore, the game is usually only figuring out "who shot first" since basically one or two bullets kills. In regular mode, the game is mincing "how many bullets flew from person a, how many from person b" and is putting a timestamp on every bullet, which could be quite a few. And perhaps there is some confusion/error on the timestamping of the bullets.

From my experiences COD4 accounts for lag via a method that if you kill the player on your screen it's final.

I.e. because your opponent has less lag they can pump more bullets into you on their screen, where as your screen is showing them just putting off the first shot. What you're seeing in the kill cam is the event as it happened on their screen.

This is much more favorable than the old system which required lagging players to have to shoot ahead of the opponent. Sure you're at a disadvantage, but that's life.

I've been playing hardcore for a while now and I love it. I accidentally went to "regular" mode and I didn't want to take the L by quitting so I stuck it out for the map and I just couldn't believe the BS that was going on.

How can you say you enjoy playing Hardcore when you have to put up with sh*t like this: CoD4 Teamkilling hardcore S&D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QpDvGw2cwE)

I can't imagine someone even finding that amusing...on ANY level.

Have any of you guys tried the game out with a new DS3 controller? No, there's no rumble support, obviously, but Holy Frick I'm having considerable better games now with it. My old controller sticks were sticky....my guy would always tend to move forward on his own. Very irritating. It also affect my aim. So this weekend I buy the new DS3, pop it in, and suddenly I'm breezing through kills. My accuracy seems to have improved by 100%!

It's kinda funny, because before my controller, I had been having my arse handed to me on the new maps, especially on Creek. Yesterday my mother-in-law comes over, for the day. She's also a big gamer (mostly Nintendo stuff) so I decide to show her the new maps, and show her how the online works. So I bring up Creek, and start a match. I'm basically meandering around, just casually showing her the sights, kind of thing. Not taking the game itself seriously. I kill a couple guys, and say "Oh, and if I kill one more, I get to bring up radar..." I get the kill. Wander around some more, barely even paying attention to actually playing. I get another kill, and say, "Yeah, and if I'm lucky if I get on a 5 kill streak, I can bring in an air strike that I can show you..." I get the next kill, and bring in an air strike. I bring up the map to show her how I can place the air strike, and quickly place the target on a complete random spot....no strategy involved...there weren't even any red dots where I placed it...I just wanted to show her. My air strike gets 4 kills. "Cool!" I say. "Hm, that was very lucky."

I show her the bath tub in one of the houses. "Oh, I almost forgot, I get to show you how I can call a helicopter in now!" I bring in the helicopter and look up around the sky, running across the map so I can show her what it looks like, knifing a few guys "accidentally" on the way. (You know those knife kills you get when your thumb just kinda reacts by itself, and you get the kill?) So I get under the helicopter to show her, and follow it around a little. Then I show her a few other cool places on the map...the caves, and the deck....killing guys casually on my way.

"And that's about it," I say as the game comes to an end. Ok, so in the back of my mind I know I had done pretty good, but because I was talking my way through the game, I hadn't really paid too much attention. The scoreboard comes up. My score: 30-4. :eek:

Ok, new controller, luck, or just playing less seriously? Yeah, maybe all three...but the controller still makes a HUGE difference.

How can you say you enjoy playing Hardcore when you have to put up with sh*t like this: CoD4 Teamkilling hardcore S&D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QpDvGw2cwE)

I can't imagine someone even finding that amusing...on ANY level.That's definitely the biggest problem. I have no idea why they do it, but it sucks. Some nights are just awful, but some nights are fine.

All I know is I'm loving this map pack.

I'm not buying it yet because my PS3 is broken, so I'm waiting until mine comes back from Sony.

But I think all the really good players bought the new pack, so when I play regular deathmatch it's way easier to get a nice kill to death ratio. I even had my best game ever, 20 - 1. That was right after a 16-3 game in another room. Before the map pack I was doing all I could to keep my 1.30 ratio from dropping.

But I think all the really good players bought the new pack, so when I play regular deathmatch it's way easier to get a nice kill to death ratio. I even had my best game ever, 20 - 1. That was right after a 16-3 game in another room. Before the map pack I was doing all I could to keep my 1.30 ratio from dropping.


Now that you mention it I think you're right. I played a FFA on Backlot on Friday and went 25-0! I was a little angry that the game ended with my 25th kill because my streak was only 20 before (which was a TDM, also in backlot right after I entered my 1st prestiege) and maybe I could've hit a streak of 30. Also I didn't complete that flawless challenge because I just entered my 2nd prestiege. I defended (camped lol) the blown out building with the 2 stairways on either side and ventured a little bit by the garages where C flag is in domination. Weapons used were a mp5, m4 carbine and a little bit of a pistol. I started the match with only one frag and one stun. There was only one time where I almost died and got lucky, the rest was pure jpwnage.

I was using my dualshock3 that I purchased that same day before I got home.

This particular time wasn't a juggernaut type thing. It was the fact that I shot half a clip of mp5 + stopping power at someone, and clearly only one bullet of that registered.

How far away were you? There's no way you should be able to land a bunch of shots with any sub unless you are up close. It's kind of like getting sniped with a SAW or M60 from across the map. And riper is right, that's what yelling is for.:D

How far away were you? There's no way you should be able to land a bunch of shots with any sub unless you are up close. It's kind of like getting sniped with a SAW or M60 from across the map. And riper is right, that's what yelling is for.:DIt was inside the buildings on the left side (facing from bomb planters side (side with B target)) on Crossfire. I was aiming at the doorway, waiting for someone I heard. The instant he walked through the door, I opened fire. I was maybe 8-10 feet tops from him, saw him first, and hit him with every round (on my screen). As I said, killcam showed that I only fired ONE shot, that it DID hit him, but then he fired 3 or 4 and killed me. Oh yeah, he was sprinting too, so he had to stop and aim, which adds about a half second, but he still managed to do that and kill me somehow. This happens to me all the time in "regular" mode.