Finally we're getting Joe Kane's HD Basics on BD. I have enjoyed the check disc for a while and tested it on some of our showroom and my personal HDTVs at home.

This disc is much easier to use than the previous HD DVD essentials and now is available on BD.

Now you can perfectly calibrate your displays to get the best possible image quality possible. Shipping 3/21/08

-Robert

i have found that some of the cd burnable patterns posted on these forums to be more accurate than dve. and now that i think of it, i paid for inaccurate test patterns.

DVE has never been anything but accurate. I'll be buying this.

Does the HD Basics release include all of the Video Response luminance and chroma test patterns that were included on the previous HD DVD version???

There is a new updated HD DVD as well.

i have found that some of the cd burnable patterns posted on these forums to be more accurate than dve. and now that i think of it, i paid for inaccurate test patterns.

I agree.

Why pay when you can get something of equal (or even greater value) for FREE???

Not only that, but the constant delays for the release date was annoying as hell.

I'll pass on this.

Finally we're getting Joe Kane's HD Basics on BD. I have enjoyed the check disc for a while and tested it on some of our showroom and my personal HDTVs at home.

This disc is much easier to use than the previous HD DVD essentials and now is available on BD.

Now you can perfectly calibrate your displays to get the best possible image quality possible. Shipping 3/21/08

-Robert

Does it have one of the "instructional videos" in HD like the original DVE DVD? The one that explains digital TV and so forth. That explains each adjustment, and how they effect the PQ.

UPDATE: It appears it does. Found this link with info about this disc. 97 minute overview of the basics of HDTV (http://www.videoessentials.com/DVE_HDBasics.php)

I have the HD-DVD version of the previous disc, guess I'll order this one for my Blu-ray player. Would it matter? If I use my HD-DVD player and disc to cal. my set, would it matter if I changed to my Blu-ray player? Settings wise?

cnickersonjr ^^ Thanks for posting the answer and link.

This is an excellent and very convenient tool for calibration. The gray scale ramp test pattern is my favorite calibration set-up screen. Fast and easy gray scale settings for contrast and brightness is the single best way to greatly improve your display's detail, tonal quality and color accuracy.

It's very nice to set up your display on the BD input with your BD player as the source.

Having it in 1080p 24fps BD disc with great images very easy to learn test patterns and instructions is well worth the twenty bucks.

-Robert

Well, it won't take much to make it better. The HD Essentials version had test patterns with no explanation on how to use them, not even a paper insert. In the description it should have mentioned that this was for experienced users. I won't buy another Joe Kane calibration disc unless I read a review and have a better understanding of what's provided on the disc. The Essentials disc was a bit of a rip off.

Well, it won't take much to make it better. The HD Essentials version had test patterns with no explanation on how to use them, not even a paper insert. In the description it should have mentioned that this was for experienced users. I won't buy another Joe Kane calibration disc unless I read a review and have a better understanding of what's provided on the disc. The Essentials disc was a bit of a rip off.

I have the Digital Video Essentials DVD and it has a lot of explanation, but it was still above my base level of knowledge. I remember trying to use it to adjust my speakers and I just couldn't figure it out... then again, I don't have the best ear for that kind of stuff.

Also, it made my display too dim when watching movies. It may have been "calibrated to be more true" but it didn't make it look better to my eyes.

I'll probably give it another try though.

Finally we're getting Joe Kane's HD Basics on BD. I have enjoyed the check disc for a while and tested it on some of our showroom and my personal HDTVs at home.

This disc is much easier to use than the previous HD DVD essentials and now is available on BD.

Now you can perfectly calibrate your displays to get the best possible image quality possible. Shipping 3/21/08

-Robert


Is a link for AVS members available for this disk to your web site?

You can order the upgrade to 'Basics' in either BD or HDDVD directly from DVD International (http://www.dvdinternational.com). The upgrade cost $14.95 for owners of DVE HD.

Is a link for AVS members available for this disk to your web site?

Here you go. (www.*********************/avstc.htm)

-Robert

You can order the upgrade to 'Basics' in either BD or HDDVD directly from DVD International (http://www.dvdinternational.com). The upgrade cost $14.95 for owners of DVE HD.

Good deal. I may have to jump on this one and save myself a few bucks.

Good deal. I may have to jump on this one and save myself a few bucks.

Well I ordered my copy Friday. I'm mailing my cover + confirmation email so I can get the upgrade price! Not bad.

mine just shipped, the BD version. hope to have it wed or thur.

mine just shipped, the BD version. hope to have it wed or thur.
where did you order from?

Just ran through it real quick.
Its all the same stuff from the standard DVD... NASA, same clips of people eating in a restaurant and jumping around with balloons (all in 1080 though I think some is upconverted). I think its even the same narrator as before! Im not a video guy so I can't comment on the video section, though black and white level was set no different than standard AVIA. I can't say for sure, but I recall more video test patterns in the first one, though I didn't know what 95% of those did anyways...

Menus, which people always hated, are now much easier to navigate with the pop up technology, and a short description next to the pattern.

Heres where it gets dissapointing...
First, this disc will give anyone with HDMI problems a huge headache. I had to turn the receiver on and off a couple times to get it to re sync.
Second, the audio part, which I was looking forward to, is not very good. The screen goes black for the test patterns!!! I was able to finally get the image after I down converted it to 480i (I wonder if it was accidentally recorded in 480 and is throwing my player out of sync???)
The test patterns are TruHD but why only 6.1??? This would of been a great test for people with 5.1 setups to see if their player/receiver were handling a 7.1 down convert correctly.

Like I said, Im not a video guy, but I dont see what advantage this has over the standard version.

Ugh, why can't they just port over the HD Essentials HD DVD release to Blu-ray??? It sounds like I won't be buying this.

They sure had enough time to get it right...

thanks for the review cuz that saved me a few bucks. I was set to buy the Blu-ray version but after reading all the problems, I guess I'll just stick with the original DVE.

If you have calibrated your HDTV with the DVD version played with your BD player, are the calibration settings going to be the same using this BD version in the same BD player via the same input? I assume they must be the same, otherwise you'd need two different settings when playing DVDs or BDs.

i previously had my calibrated using the AVCHD disc from this forum. just used the DVE BD and contrast, brightness, color all were upped a little bit.

i'm having a hard time with the color setting tho. when seeing it through the blue filter am i supposed to only see 2 colors? black and blue? because i'm seeing different shades of blue.

i previously had my calibrated using the AVCHD disc from this forum. just used the DVE BD and contrast, brightness, color all were upped a little bit.

i'm having a hard time with the color setting tho. when seeing it through the blue filter am i supposed to only see 2 colors? black and blue? because i'm seeing different shades of blue.

Yes just the black and blue.
I dont think most displays get it right so dont feel too bad. What are you using?

Yes just the black and blue.
I dont think most displays get it right so dont feel too bad. What are you using?

sammy 50" 720p dlp with some geometry issues and at least 5% overscan on all sides. i need to upgrade, but got no money for it atm.

Also, it made my display too dim when watching movies. It may have been "calibrated to be more true" but it didn't make it look better to my eyes.




This is the problem. There is no logical reason to assume that any particular individual will prefer a more accurate image to a less accurate one.

So guys, any other comments? Im from the Philippines, thus shipping is Hell. But I wanna get this. I read good and bad stuffs about this.

I calibrated my HDTV by merely reading the advice of people here in my TV model thread. Is this really worth the $20? Is the difference pre and post using this really noticeable?

THANKS!

Just got the confirmation from Amazon that it's shipping out. Should have it in a day or two.

Just got the confirmation from Amazon that it's shipping out. Should have it in a day or two.

Post a review when you get it.

So is this going to be something a novice will benefit from, or is this geared towards a more experienced user, like the original DVE, mentioned earlier in the thread was? I am interested in calibrating my Aquos and 2 Bravia's, but also sending it to my dad for him to calibrate his XBR2.

UltmateAVmag has done a review.

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/testtools/308dve/

Thanks for the review post.

"One set of video patterns on HD Basics has not been seen on any of Kane's consumer discs since Video Essentials—gray windows on a black background, ranging from 5% to 100% of peak white in 5% increments."
That part is incorrect. The prior HD DVD has the patterns in 720p.

This is the problem. There is no logical reason to assume that any particular individual will prefer a more accurate image to a less accurate one.


Absolutely true ,but a starting point without any resonable reference standard is chaos. I would say that it is safe to assume that caibration of a display to standards like those presented in DVE will provide the most consistantly pleasing images over the widest range of source material for the largest number of viewers.

I think your point is a lot like saying that you like girls who weigh over 200lbs.Who could argue with that, it's what you like, but it would be a poor starting point for general consumption.

Art

Lol! That was an entertaining review! Besides the inaccuracies, that guy really hates Blu Ray!

So what's the general conclusion ? If I already have DVE on DVD, is it worth it to buy it on Blu-ray ?

I'd like to see a list of all the video test patterns included in this release.

I dont have Avia or DVE so Im a 1st time buyer for a cal disc and want to know if its worth it or not
or keep looking

So what's the general conclusion ? If I already have DVE on DVD, is it worth it to buy it on Blu-ray ?

I think nothing can beat the free AVS 709. I've had enough with DVE's stupid menus from one format to the next. Their heyday was during the LaserDisc era. Time to move on.

Does anyone know weather the HD basic's BLU-Disc is zone A B C or only zone A.
Thank's....

So is this going to be something a novice will benefit from, or is this geared towards a more experienced user, like the original DVE, mentioned earlier in the thread was? I am interested in calibrating my Aquos and 2 Bravia's, but also sending it to my dad for him to calibrate his XBR2.

Could someone touch on this please? I'm kind of waiting to order one based on comments from you guys.

Is it really in the case with the feet, as it appears in the picture? I haven't seen those in a while.

I think nothing can beat the free AVS 709. I've had enough with DVE's stupid menus from one format to the next. Their heyday was during the LaserDisc era. Time to move on.

Agreed - the AVS 709 is great. Not sure I really need anything else.

Could someone touch on this please? I'm kind of waiting to order one based on comments from you guys.

If you dont have any kind of a calibration disc, than its a no brainer.
Anybody who visits sites like AVS should care enough about calibration.
At the minimum, you will be able to set the proper Black and White levels, sharpness, and possibly a little color. You will also be able to calibrate speaker levels too.
Besides those, you can see if your display functions correctly (has too much overscan etc.) and if your receiver is handeling bass management properly.
Theres also some good technical stuff in there that helps you understand things a little better.

What Im not sure is if I can recommend it for those that have the original one, since the basic setting seem to be the exact same for dvd as they are for BD. (though I still haven't had much time to check it out)
And the no image on the speaker level test has me a little concerned (but that could be a fault of my equipment).

So... if you dont have any calibration material pick it up. If you do have some than wait for more reviews.

Agreed - the AVS 709 is great. Not sure I really need anything else.

I could use some sharpness patterns. The Video Response patterns on the DVE High Definition HD DVD release are fantastic (the first HD DVD, not the new Basics disk), and I'd like something similar that I could play from my bd30 so I can play with its sharpness control.

If you dont have any kind of a calibration disc, than its a no brainer.
Anybody who visits sites like AVS should care enough about calibration.
At the minimum, you will be able to set the proper Black and White levels, sharpness, and possibly a little color. You will also be able to calibrate speaker levels too.
Besides those, you can see if your display functions correctly (has too much overscan etc.) and if your receiver is handeling bass management properly.
Theres also some good technical stuff in there that helps you understand things a little better.

What Im not sure is if I can recommend it for those that have the original one, since the basic setting seem to be the exact same for dvd as they are for BD. (though I still haven't had much time to check it out)
And the no image on the speaker level test has me a little concerned (but that could be a fault of my equipment).

So... if you dont have any calibration material pick it up. If you do have some than wait for more reviews.

Thank you my friend, gonna go ahead and get it then.

I could use some sharpness patterns. The Video Response patterns on the DVE High Definition HD DVD release are fantastic (the first HD DVD, not the new Basics disk), and I'd like something similar that I could play from my bd30 so I can play with its sharpness control.

The updated AVS disc has a sharpness pattern - just found out myself.

This Blu Ray is $16.99 shipped at Buy.com currently but about to sell out (says stocks are getting low.)

Don't let them trick you into paying for shipping though unless you want to get it shipped quicker. (The website changed my shipping option and then it's like $20.xx)

-Brian

The updated AVS disc has a sharpness pattern - just found out myself.

Holy crap! Thanks, I'll check it out.

Kane's new disc sounds solid. No surprise there. If the menu system has truly been improved that would be a big plus.

Not anymore
Shows full price now
unless you had a special coupon or something

This Blu Ray is $16.99 shipped at Buy.com currently but about to sell out (says stocks are getting low.)

Don't let them trick you into paying for shipping though unless you want to get it shipped quicker. (The website changed my shipping option and then it's like $20.xx)

-Brian

It doesn't look like this is available to rent at BB like the original DVE on HD DVD or am I just missing it?

Gotta tell ya guys, I am pretty disappointed in this. It still seems as though you need to know what to look for, in advance, rather than the disc SHOWING you, what you need to see. Take for instance the color test. It gives you the red, green, and blue card, and tells you to match the color, starting with blue. The problem is, on that test, there isn't any reference, and whether your color is all the way down, or all the way up, they all match.

I'm not a calibration expert, but I am no dummy either, but on the majority of tests, I don't really see anything you can do to improve your setup. Other than sharpness and overscan, two things that anyone with a thimble of knowledge is gonna know are off if they are, I don't see that this is all that useful. I kinda feel I wasted my money on this, because I made very few changes to my settings, from where they were, and certainly nothing changed enough to make the picture noticably better.

Joe Kane may know video but he doesn't know how to put together an easy to use calibration disc that gets right to the point and gets the job done easily. Don't waste your money.

Joe Kane may know video but he doesn't know how to put together an easy to use calibration disc that gets right to the point and gets the job done easily. Don't waste your money.I wouldn't say it's a waste of money..I just got my replacement (blu-ray for original HD-DVD) and the menu is much improved. I do see what you're saying though...Kane seems to drone on about general calibration and somewhere in there he tells you what you need to do but you have to pay close attention. Avia II is much more user friendly in that they tell you exactly what to do and what each pattern should look like when you get it right. For people who need hand holding (me:o) DVE can be a little confusing the first time around.

Gotta tell ya guys, I am pretty disappointed in this. It still seems as though you need to know what to look for, in advance, rather than the disc SHOWING you, what you need to see. Take for instance the color test. It gives you the red, green, and blue card, and tells you to match the color, starting with blue. The problem is, on that test, there isn't any reference, and whether your color is all the way down, or all the way up, they all match.

I'm not a calibration expert, but I am no dummy either, but on the majority of tests, I don't really see anything you can do to improve your setup. Other than sharpness and overscan, two things that anyone with a thimble of knowledge is gonna know are off if they are, I don't see that this is all that useful. I kinda feel I wasted my money on this, because I made very few changes to my settings, from where they were, and certainly nothing changed enough to make the picture noticably better.

Oh ok. THANKS! So you saying Ill do practically the same by just tinkering with the controls? I got my setup from this forums, and so far, its been good.

Gotta tell ya guys, I am pretty disappointed in this. It still seems as though you need to know what to look for, in advance, rather than the disc SHOWING you, what you need to see. Take for instance the color test. It gives you the red, green, and blue card, and tells you to match the color, starting with blue. The problem is, on that test, there isn't any reference, and whether your color is all the way down, or all the way up, they all match.

I'm not a calibration expert, but I am no dummy either, but on the majority of tests, I don't really see anything you can do to improve your setup. Other than sharpness and overscan, two things that anyone with a thimble of knowledge is gonna know are off if they are, I don't see that this is all that useful. I kinda feel I wasted my money on this, because I made very few changes to my settings, from where they were, and certainly nothing changed enough to make the picture noticably better.

Sorry as it looks like you picked it up from my post.
I still stand by that everyone needs at least one calibration disc. Even just to test if your display passes blacker than black or if your receiver is handling bass management correctly.
Color should of changed with the color and tint settings.. though copying other peoples setting on your displays thread will help, you will still need a disc like this to set black and white.
And those are only the basic settings...

Do a search of DVE. You should find the original calibration thread that will shed a little light on some of those test patterns.

I did get tricked because I used Google checkout and they never gave me the option to change shipping methods. So I called them and they refunded me the $3.40 for shipping. Total=$6.99 shipped:)





This Blu Ray is $16.99 shipped at Buy.com currently but about to sell out (says stocks are getting low.)

Don't let them trick you into paying for shipping though unless you want to get it shipped quicker. (The website changed my shipping option and then it's like $20.xx)

-Brian

Sorry as it looks like you picked it up from my post.
I still stand by that everyone needs at least one calibration disc. Even just to test if your display passes blacker than black or if your receiver is handling bass management correctly.
Color should of changed with the color and tint settings.. though copying other peoples setting on your displays thread will help, you will still need a disc like this to set black and white.
And those are only the basic settings...

Do a search of DVE. You should find the original calibration thread that will shed a little light on some of those test patterns.

Don't sweat it my friend, I'm not angry at anyone. :)

I'm just frustrated that the potential for this disc isn't realized. More time should have been spent focusing on explaining how something should look and how you can get your TV to that level, rather than droning on and on and on about "CRT Master Settings", or whatever the narrator kept talking about.

How hard is it, especially on a disc supposedly geared towards novices, to take it step by step, showing examples in the process, and walk the user through each level of the calibration process? Kane instead just gives you 476million calibration methods, but doesn't help you use them.

Like I said, I am no expert, I am the first to admit that, but home theater has become a serious hobby of mine, and I think I have learned a lot in the last few years. Still, even though I am in between expert and beginner, calibration is something where you need a bit of handholding, and unfortunately, this disc just doesn't do that. Sad to say that the THX Optimizer helped me calibrate our Aquos just as much, or better, than this HD Basics disc from Joe Kane.

Don't sweat it my friend, I'm not angry at anyone. :)

I'm just frustrated that the potential for this disc isn't realized. More time should have been spent focusing on explaining how something should look and how you can get your TV to that level, rather than droning on and on and on about "CRT Master Settings", or whatever the narrator kept talking about.

How hard is it, especially on a disc supposedly geared towards novices, to take it step by step, showing examples in the process, and walk the user through each level of the calibration process? Kane instead just gives you 476million calibration methods, but doesn't help you use them.

Like I said, I am no expert, I am the first to admit that, but home theater has become a serious hobby of mine, and I think I have learned a lot in the last few years. Still, even though I am in between expert and beginner, calibration is something where you need a bit of handholding, and unfortunately, this disc just doesn't do that. Sad to say that the THX Optimizer helped me calibrate our Aquos just as much, or better, than this HD Basics disc from Joe Kane.


For someone like me who is just an above casual about these things. I mean yes, I want the best, but dont really know a lot yet, is it advisable? Or wait for another one?

I really want it, but sounds intimidating. And for me, I really need to have serious output from you guys, since Im from the Phils. and shipping is really a b#tch.

THANKS!

Don't sweat it my friend, I'm not angry at anyone. :)

I'm just frustrated that the potential for this disc isn't realized. More time should have been spent focusing on explaining how something should look and how you can get your TV to that level, rather than droning on and on and on about "CRT Master Settings", or whatever the narrator kept talking about.

How hard is it, especially on a disc supposedly geared towards novices, to take it step by step, showing examples in the process, and walk the user through each level of the calibration process? Kane instead just gives you 476million calibration methods, but doesn't help you use them.

Like I said, I am no expert, I am the first to admit that, but home theater has become a serious hobby of mine, and I think I have learned a lot in the last few years. Still, even though I am in between expert and beginner, calibration is something where you need a bit of handholding, and unfortunately, this disc just doesn't do that. Sad to say that the THX Optimizer helped me calibrate our Aquos just as much, or better, than this HD Basics disc from Joe Kane.

The old DVE was aimed at people who already new what to do. This one, all though called "basics", doesn't help much more.
I found AVIA to explain better, especially the nice FAQ thread here, that I believe was done by AVIA makers themselves. That should be out soon!

For someone like me who is just an above casual about these things. I mean yes, I want the best, but dont really know a lot yet, is it advisable? Or wait for another one?

I really want it, but sounds intimidating. And for me, I really need to have serious output from you guys, since Im from the Phils. and shipping is really a b#tch.

THANKS!

Maybe you should wait for AVIA.

Is it slated for release? Or just rumors for now?

THANKS!

Is it slated for release? Or just rumors for now?

THANKS!

It was due out last year!
Who knows...

Don't sweat it my friend, I'm not angry at anyone. :)

Try this....
http://www.videoessentials.com/dvehd/images/DVE_HD_Program_final.pdf

Its for the original HD-DVD version. Although complicated, it should shed a little light...

It was due out last year!
Who knows...

For BR? Are they known to be user-friendly?

The first Amazon review is up, the reviewer says its also complicated and the menu is very difficult.

For someone like me who is just an above casual about these things. I mean yes, I want the best, but dont really know a lot yet, is it advisable? Or wait for another one?

I really want it, but sounds intimidating. And for me, I really need to have serious output from you guys, since Im from the Phils. and shipping is really a b#tch.

THANKS!Sounds like you might want to wait for the Avia II Blu-ray which should be out soon....or wait until some place like Blockbuster has DVE HD for rental. Like someone mentioned earlier...Kane may know his stuff backwards, forwards and sideways, but he seems unable to relate to mere mortals.:p

Sounds like you might want to wait for the Avia II Blu-ray which should be out soon....or wait until some place like Blockbuster has DVE HD for rental. Like someone mentioned earlier...Kane may know his stuff backwards, forwards and sideways, but he seems unable to relate to mere mortals.:p

LOL! OK thanks. Been really keeping a close eye on reviews on this. And almost all got same complaints - bad menu and not user friendly despite the word "basic"... Thanks, Ill wait for AVIA or another then.

I got this and I think it great. I don't understand all the gripes. Yes, there are some repeats from DVE, and I never thought all the evaluation video was all that good but for me its worth it to have all the test patterns in 1080P. Isn't that the real value here? I also think the menu is much easier to get around in so I can get right to the pluge pattern and reverse gray scale ramps to set brightness and contrast. I skimmed thru some of the instructional stuff and it was pretty much the same info as before...but then I already know what patterns to use for what. Anyway I thought it was worth whatever I paid for it from Amazon and it will replace my SD DVE disk.

Remember guys/gals, the instructional stuff is for folks that know practically nothing about calibration or HD. The real meat of this product is the display patterns and other things of that nature that help you calibrate when you know what you're doing. The display patterns are top notch and if you do some research are more accurate than the ones included with AVIA.

I believe Amazon marked this down to $16.95 now.

-Brian

Now that more and more people are seeing the disc, I will ask again: does this release include all the Video Response luminance and chroma patterns that were included in the previous HD DVD Essentials release???

Remember guys/gals, the instructional stuff is for folks that know practically nothing about calibration or HD. The real meat of this product is the display patterns and other things of that nature that help you calibrate when you know what you're doing. The display patterns are top notch and if you do some research are more accurate than the ones included with AVIA.


RoTFLMAO. If you just want the meat, get the free AVS HD 709 AVCHD disk!

Now that more and more people are seeing the disc, I will ask again: does this release include all the Video Response luminance and chroma patterns that were included in the previous HD DVD Essentials release???

I received my Blu-ray version of DVE: HD Basics yesterday. There was a link in the insert to the program guide on the web site. Since their web site is impossible to find these things, I thought it might be useful to post the link here: http://www.jkpi.net/program_notes.php

I created a word document with the program guide for ease of use and attached it. See below for an updated, better organized word doc.

Mark

RoTFLMAO. If you just want the meat, get the free AVS HD 709 AVCHD disk!

I have both the HDDVD and BD versions of that already, but thanks for the insightful response.

I received my Blu-ray version of DVE: HD Basics yesterday. There was a link in the insert to the program guide on the web site. Since their web site is impossible to find these things, I thought it might be useful to post the link here: http://www.jkpi.net/program_notes.php

I created a word document with the program guide for ease of use and attached it.

Mark

THANKS! Anyway since you got it, do you advice it for casual users who wants the best their sets can produce? Or just wait for AVIA as others say?

I received my Blu-ray version of DVE: HD Basics yesterday. There was a link in the insert to the program guide on the web site. Since their web site is impossible to find these things, I thought it might be useful to post the link here: http://www.jkpi.net/program_notes.php

I created a word document with the program guide for ease of use and attached it.

Mark

I made changes (for the better, IMHO) to the Word doc.

Mark

THANKS! Anyway since you got it, do you advice it for casual users who wants the best their sets can produce? Or just wait for AVIA as others say?

You know, I haven't used it yet. However, I have Avia, VE, DVE (SD DVD and HD DVD combo), and now the DVE: HD Basics Blu-ray. Every disc has its benefits, I guess.

Mark

OK, please do tell us what you think. I'd really appreciate it.

As I said in an earlier post, I really want the best of what my set can give, but Im just a noob in terms of knowledge. And I dont need all the in-depth specs and infos.

Put it this way, I go to my favorite restaurant to eat, no need to learn or know a lot about how to do it. lol

If you consider yourself a noob, my recommendation is DON'T BUY IT!!!! Use the THX Optimizer, find settings for your TV from other owners here, and wait for Avia. I don't consider myself a noob, and like I said in my summary of the disc, it is needlessly complicated, documentally challenged, and not for someone that isn't savvy with calibrating.

I received my Blu-ray version of DVE: HD Basics yesterday. There was a link in the insert to the program guide on the web site. Since their web site is impossible to find these things, I thought it might be useful to post the link here: http://www.jkpi.net/program_notes.php

I created a word document with the program guide for ease of use and attached it. See below for an updated, better organized word doc.

Mark

Thanks for that. That's really too bad that the only video response zone plate patterns that return in this release are 2 of the 'slow phase change' patterns. The fixed patterns were great for calibrating sharpness.

Just got through calibrating my input with this disc last night.

I found the tutorial and explanations very good. A much needed update on teh AVIA disc I have been using. Also found it to be an improvement on the HD Basics disc that was out on HD DVD way back :)

Yielded output results slightly different than my AVIA and Sony Test pattern calibrations for my Pio plasma and Pio BD-P94HD.

-Evangelo2

Also found it to be an improvement on the HD Basics disc that was out on HD DVD way back :)

What brings you to this opinion? This release includes much less in the way of test patterns. I think it is a step down from the previous HD DVD release.

so whats the verdict guys? i have the dvd version (which happens to be unopened because my brother gave it me two weeks ago and i can't give it back because it was a gift :) ) should i also invest in the blu ray version?

so whats the verdict guys? i have the dvd version (which happens to be unopened because my brother gave it me two weeks ago and i can't give it back because it was a gift :) ) should i also invest in the blu ray version?

Thats my question too, but as I said, I might not be getting it after all. My current feeling about this is 30(yes)/70(no). I wanna wait for a rival so I have a choice. Esp. since so far I got no complains on my display, and Im not THAT critical about it.

Try this....
http://www.videoessentials.com/dvehd/images/DVE_HD_Program_final.pdf

Its for the original HD-DVD version. Although complicated, it should shed a little light...

OK, please do tell us what you think. I'd really appreciate it.

As I said in an earlier post, I really want the best of what my set can give, but Im just a noob in terms of knowledge. And I dont need all the in-depth specs and infos.

Put it this way, I go to my favorite restaurant to eat, no need to learn or know a lot about how to do it. lol

The link provided above is lengthy, but has alot of information regarding the test patterns in DVE. This info would also apply to DVE: HD Basics, when the test patterns are the same. I hope that makes sense.

Mark

i'm new to the whole av thing but i was wondering my tv (westinghouse 32w6) has independently adjusted color(one slider for each red blue green)would this set help me calabrate my set?

Also found it to be an improvement on the HD Basics disc that was out on HD DVD way back :)

Yielded output results slightly different than my AVIA and Sony Test pattern calibrations for my Pio plasma and Pio BD-P94HD.

-Evangelo2

Are you referring to the HD DVD version of DVE? There are so many discs, the naming conventions are getting confusing. Here is a list of calibration discs from Joe Kane Productions:

Laserdisc
A Video Standard, 1996
Video Essentials, 1996

DVD
Video Essentials, 1997
Digital Video Essentials (DVE)
DVE Professional

BD / HD DVD
DVE High Definition (combo disc with SD DVD and HD DVD versions), 2007
DVE HD Basics (one version in Blu-ray, one in HD DVD), 2008

When looking at this list, there are many variations of test discs from Joe Kane Productions. I think each one has its own pro's and con's, and one has to decide what matters most to them. If all you care about is price, then by all means, do some research on the "free" discs assembled by AVS members. Here is a link to one that I know of.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=586139

Hope this helps.

Mark

For the earlier DVE HD, I downloaded a manual that contained info on the test patterns contained on the disc. I don't know how much of the earlier DVE HD made it to DVE HD Basics, but there is probably some decent information in there. This is the link that will take you to the download.


http://www.videoessentials.com/dvehd/index.html

Thats my question too, but as I said, I might not be getting it after all. My current feeling about this is 30(yes)/70(no). I wanna wait for a rival so I have a choice. Esp. since so far I got no complains on my display, and Im not THAT critical about it.

I wouldn't exactly say this disc is for noobs, but if you understand enough about AV it will get you close to the ideal calibration. I have an XBR4 and can say after doing some calibration using the Blu-ray, I found the color and hue settings to be way off of what I was copying on these forums. When they say check the other two color filters (green and red) you can see that choosing the right decoder is important. 601 versus 709, but they explain all that in the disc. They also explain Gamma settings which is a misunderstood component of the calibration process. Anyway, I think it's a good disc and worth the $20.

Cheers!

But it wont require me to go to my TV's "secret" setting right? Just the normal ones that I can do with the remote.

But it wont require me to go to my TV's "secret" setting right? Just the normal ones that I can do with the remote.

Correct.

Mark

like others here i found the color calibration pattern to be quite confusing. i basically went with making the left bottom blue box blend in with background as my color setting. the other non-black blocks dont blend with the background.

from what i understand watching the instructions on setting color, i'm supposed to see only black and blue with the filter, but i see several diff shades of blue.

Color decoders on HDTVs (like TVs before) are not always accurate and once you calibrate one color, the others may not be. Some HDTVs suffer from red push so that red is always too strong.... Close enough will be good enough for most HDTVs.

i ve used a combination of the thx optimizer and the halo 3 calibrator and was wondering if this will give me better results as i was setting them from a bluray player/ the xbox

I had the following issues. Numerous 1/4 second audio stutters or drop outs during the introductory material and video calibration sections.

I also had an issue when in the Demonstraton Material section. At the sceene with the helicopter I pressed the chapter advance and the Denon 2500 player froze. I waited about a minute and then hit stop and eject. Finally after another minute, the player ejected the disc.

The last issue was with the 720p demo material. The 2500 was set for 1080p/24 and when I tried to play the 720p demo material, the audio played, but the screen was black. The player did not upscale the material to 1080p. I stopped the disc, then set the Denon to 720p and the disc played the 720p material properly.

Anyone able to reproduce this?

I had the following issues. Numerous 1/4 second audio stutters or drop outs during the introductory material and video calibration sections.

I also had an issue when in the Demonstraton Material section. At the sceene with the helicopter I pressed the chapter advance and the Denon 2500 player froze. I waited about a minute and then hit stop and eject. Finally after another minute, the player ejected the disc.

The last issue was with the 720p demo material. The 2500 was set for 1080p/24 and when I tried to play the 720p demo material, the audio played, but the screen was black. The player did not upscale the material to 1080p. I stopped the disc, then set the Denon to 720p and the disc played the 720p material properly.

Anyone able to reproduce this?
Its tripping up my 2500 too!

Its tripping up my 2500 too!

Just thought I'd add that my PS3 plays it fine. Using HDMI out.

Plays fine on my (2) PS3's in the house.

So far the disc plays fine on my Denon DVD-3800. I think it is very easy to navigate. The only pain seems to be that if you select the Play All option, the patterns whiz by too fast for my taste. The solution is to select them individually for display, and then they stay up there until you exit the pattern.

Mark

The only pain seems to be that if you select the Play All option, the patterns whiz by too fast for my taste. The solution is to select them individually for display, and then they stay up there until you exit the pattern.

Mark

Or just hit pause.

You can pause the patterns, as well, unless there is a motion or flashing component to the pattern.

Yielded output results slightly different than my AVIA and Sony Test pattern calibrations for my Pio plasma and Pio BD-P94HD.

-Evangelo2

For better or worst?

...
Yielded output results slightly different than my AVIA and Sony Test pattern calibrations for my Pio plasma and Pio BD-P94HD.

If different calibration discs give different results, however slight, then which one is more accurate? So is there any single gold standard reference? If not, then what's the point of doing it?

If different calibration discs give different results, however slight, then which one is more accurate? So is there any single gold standard reference? If not, then what's the point of doing it?


So true. If we just want to go "ballpark", might as well get the (again) free AVS 709 disc.

PS: I'm still waiting for the DVE BD to be delivered. Even then, I'd wait for the final verdict before opening the wrapper just in case it's not really accurate.

A novice can benefit from it but there will be many pattern on here a novice won't be able to use. Also, it can take a bit of experience to know why your display is doing what it's doing, or how your DVD/BD player is affecting image such as maximum white/black levels. You may have to run through it several times. Try it on a different display device. Experience is helpful, so don't feel bad if you are still correcting things a year later.

If different calibration discs give different results, however slight, then which one is more accurate? So is there any single gold standard reference? If not, then what's the point of doing it?

I get the same results with the original HD DVD DVE release and the AVS 709 on my LCD.

Are there any movie discs that got free(even very simple) calibration tools?

Are there any movie discs that got free(even very simple) calibration tools?

Yes all the Sony Blu-rays (Underworld, Casino Royal etc) have the basic test patterns. Enter 7669 (SONY) on the main menu screen and it will take you to the test patterns .

Yes all the Sony Blu-rays (Underworld, Casino Royal etc) have the basic test patterns. Enter 7669 (SONY) on the main menu screen and it will take you to the test patterns .

Oh wow, THANK YOU! I didnt know that. lol. Gotta try my Spider-Man movies then(hope its in there as well).

Wait, Im using the PS3 without the remote!... what should I press? lol

So true. If we just want to go "ballpark", might as well get the (again) free AVS 709 disc.

PS: I'm still waiting for the DVE BD to be delivered. Even then, I'd wait for the final verdict before opening the wrapper just in case it's not really accurate.

Given what I paid at Amazon, it was worth it to me for the audio setup stuff alone. If you have an auto-calibrating AVR, probably doesn't matter, but if you are using analog outputs on your BD player, the audio setup was very helpful (and in TrueHD).

I ended up with different color settings from the SD version of DVE, but that could be the superior fidelity of BD vs HD. Brightness and contrast were the same as from the AVS 709, but the overall video calibration scheme was easier for me to follow on the new DVE than with AVS 709.

Also, while not a reason to buy the disc, if you want to show someone the importance of native 24fps, the demo material on this disc makes it obvious.

Oh wow, THANK YOU! I didnt know that. lol. Gotta try my Spider-Man movies then(hope its in there as well).

Wait, Im using the PS3 without the remote!... what should I press? lol

If you do not have the Ps3 remote then just hit /\ (triangle) on the controller and you should see the numbers.

If you do not have the Ps3 remote then just hit /\ (triangle) on the controller and you should see the numbers.

Oh yeah ok! Thanks!

I got this and can report that I am very pleased. THe tutorial and intro is great for nerds like me who are into this kind of stuff. THe patterns are very useful. I was able to get my xbr2 very very close to what he says accuarate should look like ( I used a blend of different settings from this forum as starting points and then fine tuned using these patterns and I am very pleased with the results. odly enough I was setting my sharpness too low and bumped it up a little. I got all blues to match the backround, red and yellow to match, and 2 of the greens to match, the others were a step off. My blacks are great and the picture is beatiful.
I must have for 1080p users with the patiens to sit thru 90 minutes of techno babble and wives who will let you spend hours twaeking the set.

the demo material provided is nice to impress friends with also

I was setting my sharpness too low and bumped it up a little.


Sharpness too low? Usually at least from most everything I have read and seen on the original DVE DVD that the sharpness set to off (or all the way down) is the most correct. I think it's a little soft, however I think it's suppose to be that way. Or at least just before you start to see ringing around the black lines.

I wonder if there is a different pattern that is used on the new Blu-ray disc?

Sharpness too low? Usually at least from most everything I have read and seen on the original DVE DVD that the sharpness set to off (or all the way down) is the most correct. I think it's a little soft, however I think it's suppose to be that way. Or at least just before you start to see ringing around the black lines.

I wonder if there is a different pattern that is used on the new Blu-ray disc?

The sharpness should be set to the point just before the ringing occurs. Most of the times it's at 0 but not always.

The sharpness should be set to the point just before the ringing occurs. Most of the times it's at 0 but not always.

via hdmi the sharpness has no effect on my 50" dlp rptv.

via hdmi the sharpness has no effect on my 50" dlp rptv.

I don't know what to say then :p on my CRT RPTV the sharpness rings at around 20% (via DVI) and on my LCD panel it rings at around 45% (via HDMI)

Are there any movie discs that got free(even very simple) calibration tools?http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496

Is my bass off or did DVE screw it up again? (for those that haven't used the older one, the LFE level was inaccurate)

I just rented this from Netflix, and have previously owned the original VE and DVE. Of particular note, Netflix did *NOT* include the color filters. Fortunately, I have those from the previous releases.

My monitor was previously calibrated via DVE upscaled to HD on my Oppo. This is the first calibration disc (HD or otherwise) I've used with my Panny BD player. None of the Sony discs I have work with the four-digit code (I understand that one or more of the Spiderman discs works, but I don't have any of these).

Still somewhat difficult to navigate, but much better with the pop-up menus. There's a separate chapter that provides an explanation of the various test patterns including options to pause and play with the controls. A bit cumbersome, but I found the explanations to be complete and likely very helpful for someone who's never used a calibration disc. I don't recall quite this level of explanation in the DVE disc (but - at least after my first viewing of that disc - I've always just gone directly to the test patterns).

Ultimately, the adjustments were mere tweaks (contrast level up a bit, brightness down, color slightly adjusted), but resulted in a noticeable, if somewhat slight improvement.

Is my bass off or did DVE screw it up again? (for those that haven't used the older one, the LFE level was inaccurate)

Can someone with a calibrated system check this???^^^
Mines running about +10 off and I'm pretty sure Im where Im suppose to be. Just looking for confirmation.

Bought this Blu-ray disc. My previous calibration done with the old DVD DVE was virtually the same. Worth a purchase if you don't own the original DVE, but probably something you should pass up if you already calibrated your display before with an upscaled DVD.

The menu navigation is WAY better now, though :)

I bought this disc. Iget no auido. Any one else?? Iget images no audio.From player to receiverto T.V. Using HDMI

Can someone with a calibrated system check this???^^^
Mines running about +10 off and I'm pretty sure Im where Im suppose to be. Just looking for confirmation.

I'm curious about this as well as I'm also familiar with the LFE issue on the DVE DVD. If I recall I think I heard that the LFE issue was present on the first HD-DVD disc. But so far I have not heard anything regarding the new HD Basics. I should be receiving my blu-ray copy either today or tomorrow. I will test and post my findings tomorrow and see if they are the same as yours.

I'm curious about this as well as I'm also familiar with the LFE issue on the DVE DVD. If I recall I think I heard that the LFE issue was present on the first HD-DVD disc. But so far I have not heard anything regarding the new HD Basics. I should be receiving my blu-ray copy either today or tomorrow. I will test and post my findings tomorrow and see if they are the same as yours.

Thanks!

I tried it and I do believe the LFE track was corrected. At least it's not all wild and "peaky" (is that the correct term?) as it was on the DVD. I can't comment on the first HD DVD release since my copy of that disc didn't even produce audio on my HD-A2 when I played back the band limited test tones (but bizarrely worked just fine during the subwoofer phase test). Anyhoo, I calibrated the audio with my BD copy of DVE: HD Basics and am satisfied with the results.

Bought this Blu-ray disc. My previous calibration done with the old DVD DVE was virtually the same. Worth a purchase if you don't own the original DVE, but probably something you should pass up if you already calibrated your display before with an upscaled DVD.

The menu navigation is WAY better now, though :)

+1 No difference at all in my settings from DVD DVE and the blue Ray.

I tried it and I do believe the LFE track was corrected. At least it's not all wild and "peaky" (is that the correct term?) as it was on the DVD. I can't comment on the first HD DVD release since my copy of that disc didn't even produce audio on my HD-A2 when I played back the band limited test tones (but bizarrely worked just fine during the subwoofer phase test). Anyhoo, I calibrated the audio with my BD copy of DVE: HD Basics and am satisfied with the results.

Can anyone else confirm this? Mine shows Im running it really hot.

I bought this disc. Iget no auido. Any one else?? Iget images no audio.From player to receiverto T.V. Using HDMI

It uses Dolby TrueHD for audio. If your BD player is an early model not capable of decoding TrueHD, you're SOL with this.

I just hit a handful of minor problems with the disc:
- The printed table of contents is not 100% accurate
- In the intro section, where they have a person talking in the simulated room, the lip-sync is way off. If I play this same scene in the Demo section, it's fine.
- If I play a section (demo, sound test) which outputs 720p, when I go back to the menu it stays in 720p even though the menus are formatted for 1080. So the menu ends up messed. I have to play a 1080 item to get it to switch back.

As I said, nothing major, just a little annoying.

Interesting stuff...I should receive it Monday...even though I ordered it Feb 22nd :(

Can someone tell me what material on this disc will make it obvious if 24hz is being displayed properly?

If it's not on this disc, is there some other way to check? I don't think a pattern on a DVD or on the PS3's hard drive will work, since 1080p24 only takes effect when playing a BD.

so is this DVE calibration disc just a 'poor man's' way of calibrating his tv?
or will a professional calibration service still be better?

if I have my tv professionally calibrated..should I skip the DVE disc?
or vice/versa - if I purchase this disc...will this take place of a professional calibration?

Does this disc have a 7.1 discrete sound check (7.1 test tones)?

so is this DVE calibration disc just a 'poor man's' way of calibrating his tv?
or will a professional calibration service still be better?

if I have my tv professionally calibrated..should I skip the DVE disc?
or vice/versa - if I purchase this disc...will this take place of a professional calibration?

No, having a TV ISF calibrated is still the best, but it is still good to have a DVE disk handy to double check things once in a while. For example, my TV was ISF calibrated and all was fine until I replaced my Oppo DVD Player with a P1400 Blu-ray Player. I immediatelty noticed that the black level was very low so I checked it with DVE and sure enough I found that the P1400's black level was considerably lower than what it should be. So I had to increase the TV's brightness on this one HDMI input to correct the problem. Without the DVE disk, it would have been more difficult to prove, and then, correctly fix the problem.

Does this disc have a 7.1 discrete sound check (7.1 test tones)?

6.1

I just got this disc this week. I was actually surprised how close I had my TV set to what the disc suggested. In fact I made sure I had my original setting written down before I started and when I compared them they were so close I just kept mine.

Now you can perfectly calibrate your displays to get the best possible image quality possible. Shipping 3/21/08
would this be the same version?
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7502964&style=movie

I ordered my copy and will get it in about a week so will post here then
Right now Im using the CNET tips info to cal my Panasonic 50" plasma

BTW, I am suspicious of that 1080p vs. 4K downconvert comparison. They say they did the 1080p transfer in 2001, while the 4K was done recently. I believe transfer technology and quality has improved in that time. Unless they were careful to use the same equipment and other relevant factors, I think the 4K has an advantage due to it being newer.

Originally Posted by RocShemp
I tried it and I do believe the LFE track was corrected. At least it's not all wild and "peaky" (is that the correct term?) as it was on the DVD. I can't comment on the first HD DVD release since my copy of that disc didn't even produce audio on my HD-A2 when I played back the band limited test tones (but bizarrely worked just fine during the subwoofer phase test). Anyhoo, I calibrated the audio with my BD copy of DVE: HD Basics and am satisfied with the results.

Can anyone else confirm this? Mine shows Im running it really hot.

Mine seems to be waaaay hot ...LFE is at least 10 db too hot ...Unbelievable, that others dont have this issue with the lfe track ???

Can anyone else confirm this? Mine shows Im running it really hot.

Sorry for the late response but I had a shipping problem with amazon so I got my HD Basics disc later than I expected. Anyways, I can confirm that the LFE error still exists with this disc. The LFE level is the same as the DVE DVD, which has the LFE error.

Sorry for the late response but I had a shipping problem with amazon so I got my HD Basics disc later than I expected. Anyways, I can confirm that the LFE error still exists with this disc. The LFE level is the same as the DVE DVD, which has the LFE error.

Better late than never... What should the LFE be set at than?

Better late than never... What should the LFE be set at than?

Wasn't it the case that DVE LFE signal was 4 db down? I cannot remember for sure.

Mark

I agree with the above posters. The calibration was no different than my upscaled DVD version of the disc. But the Menu system is 1000x better than the DVD version that alone made it worth the purchase for me :). I ran into one menu problem where after running the 720p content the screen did not return the resolution to 1080 and the menu system was messed up. I needed to press the title menu button to fix the screen.

The only thing I really think was missing that should have been added is a Audio Codec test mode. Just a bunch of 2.0 to 7.1 audio tracks encoded in Lossy DD and DTS and then one set of TruHD and DTS-MA just to test out if your system is working properly.

The color charts on DVE with the filters, What is the real purpose of this?

I know you want to match the colors so they blend in, but what is this actually doing, and how is it affecting the image to be more correct?

Is it trying to get you closer to 6500K?

Is it trying to get your TV's color points as accurate as possible?

Is it just telling you were you should set color? Not caring about 6500K or the color points?

My DVE arrived today at Walmart Site to Store so I will most likely do my 1st ever calibration (first DVE disc ever) on my Panasonic plasma TV this weekend if I get a chance and see how it goes and comment how good/bad it is for a newbie and a non-calibrator type ;)

No, having a TV ISF calibrated is still the best, but it is still good to have a DVE disk handy to double check things once in a while. For example, my TV was ISF calibrated and all was fine until I replaced my Oppo DVD Player with a P1400 Blu-ray Player. I immediatelty noticed that the black level was very low so I checked it with DVE and sure enough I found that the P1400's black level was considerably lower than what it should be. So I had to increase the TV's brightness on this one HDMI input to correct the problem. Without the DVE disk, it would have been more difficult to prove, and then, correctly fix the problem.

There's something very interesting about that. I noticed this situatin some time ago, however I learned for the first time today, why you had this situatin happen.

From what I have read...


For SD sources in the US, black is at 7.5 IRE. (Also called Setup or Pedestal) For the rest of the world, it is at 0 IRE. For ED and HD, black is at 0 IRE.

So I wonder if you had your black level set for regular DVD at one point and then later you had a different player and the player was set differently?

I just got this disc this week. I was actually surprised how close I had my TV set to what the disc suggested. In fact I made sure I had my original setting written down before I started and when I compared them they were so close I just kept mine.

ditto

From what I have read...


For SD sources in the US, black is at 7.5 IRE. (Also called Setup or Pedestal) For the rest of the world, it is at 0 IRE. For ED and HD, black is at 0 IRE.

So I wonder if you had your black level set for regular DVD at one point and then later you had a different player and the player was set differently?

If I understand you correctly, I do not think this is the case. I have seen others write that the black level for their P1400 was not correct either, but oddly, just the opposite of my problem (they reported that their P1400's BL has too high). My TV was calibrated when it was about one month old and with the exception of the P1400, I have not changed any other devices.

I have three HDMI/DVI devices; P1400, Oppo DVD Player, and a DirecTV HR20 DVR. My TV only has two HDMI inputs, therefore, I have to run two devices through a HDMI switch, with the third device connected directly to the TV. The HR20 and Oppo work fine if they are connected together through the switch, but the P1400's BL is so much different that it cannot share a HDMI input with either of the other two devices.

I have a question for the group: If I was to replace my AVR with a new multi-input HDMI AVR, will my P1400's BL issue mess-up the system? (Three devices connected via HDMI, one with a lower BL; which device controls the BL on the one HDMI input of the TV?) I think I would be in trouble. I believe that only the P1400 could be connected to the AVR (for decoding of the new audio formats) and the other two devices will have to stay as they are now on a separate HDMI input. Is this correct?

If I understand you correctly, I do not think this is the case. I have seen others write that the black level for their P1400 was not correct either, but oddly, just the opposite of my problem (they reported that their P1400's BL has too high). My TV was calibrated when it was about one month old and with the exception of the P1400, I have not changed any other devices.

I have three HDMI/DVI devices; P1400, Oppo DVD Player, and a DirecTV HR20 DVR. My TV only has two HDMI inputs, therefore, I have to run two devices through a HDMI switch, with the third device connected directly to the TV. The HR20 and Oppo work fine if they are connected together through the switch, but the P1400's BL is so much different that it cannot share a HDMI input with either of the other two devices.

I have a question for the group: If I was to replace my AVR with a new multi-input HDMI AVR, will my P1400's BL issue mess-up the system? (Three devices connected via HDMI, one with a lower BL; which device controls the BL on the one HDMI input of the TV?) I think I would be in trouble. I believe that only the P1400 could be connected to the AVR (for decoding of the new audio formats) and the other two devices will have to stay as they are now on a separate HDMI input. Is this correct?

Unless I'm understanding wrong, if you had everything connected to a multi input HDMI AVR, your P1400 BL will not mess-up the whole system. It's the devices themselves that effect the BL.

I guess the question would be how to change your P1400 to a black level that matches the other video equipment.

Unless I'm understanding wrong, if you had everything connected to a multi input HDMI AVR, your P1400 BL will not mess-up the whole system. It's the devices themselves that effect the BL.

I guess the question would be how to change your P1400 to a black level that matches the other video equipment.

Thanks Thebarnman,

I overstated "mess up my whole system"; I really just meant that it would not be possible to set the brightness level correctly for the one HDMI input that had all these devices connected to it from a multi-HDMI input AVR. There is nothing that I have ever seen in the P1400's Setup Menu that provides a method of correcting its BL, so I think I am stuck. Would an AVR with two HDMI outputs solve this problem? (The P1400 dedicated to output HDMI #1, and the other devices programmed to HDMI #2......). I guess I will stay with what I have until my AVR blows-up then decide what to do. With my present setup the only thing I am missing is that I cannot decode DTS HD-MA.

I'm very disappointed inthe lack of patterns on this disk compared to the original HD DVD release. This disk doesn't even have the reverse color ramp patterns. How can an amateur without special equipment set their contrast properly if they can't even see if any of their primary colors are clipping? This disk is a waste of money.

Thanks Thebarnman,

I overstated "mess up my whole system"; I really just meant that it would not be possible to set the brightness level correctly for the one HDMI input that had all these devices connected to it from a multi-HDMI input AVR. There is nothing that I have ever seen in the P1400's Setup Menu that provides a method of correcting its BL, so I think I am stuck. Would an AVR with two HDMI outputs solve this problem? (The P1400 dedicated to output HDMI #1, and the other devices programmed to HDMI #2......). I guess I will stay with what I have until my AVR blows-up then decide what to do. With my present setup the only thing I am missing is that I cannot decode DTS HD-MA.


What you could do (yes, this costs money) however, you could get a A/V receiver that has 3 or 4 HDMI inputs and has TWO HDMI outputs. Set up two of your video units to that it outputs to one of the HDMI outputs to input into Video 1 HDMI on the TV.

THEN have the P1400 set up so that it outputs to the other HDMI output from the A/V receiver to the HDMI number 2 on the TV. Then just switch the HDMI input selection from the remote for the TV so you won't have to mess with wires all the time.

I'm very disappointed inthe lack of patterns on this disk compared to the original HD DVD release. This disk doesn't even have the reverse color ramp patterns. How can an amateur without special equipment set their contrast properly if they can't even see if any of their primary colors are clipping? This disk is a waste of money.

I did not know that colors could clip. I do know that they can be set to too strongly.

In you comment, you mention setting contrast properly and at the same time you mentino about colors clipping.

Is there not another pattern that helps to set contrast?

And I thought color is suppose to be turned down if the red looks to be too strong from the regular color bar after adjustment via the color bars (using the blue filter).

Is this worth a purchase or is it more of a rental? Once you use the disc to calibrate your video and audio...why would you need it again?

Is this worth a purchase or is it more of a rental? Once you use the disc to calibrate your video and audio...why would you need it again?

if you can find it for rental, by all means rent-calibrate-return. i didnt know this was available anywhere for rent. even if it was, i think most of us like to have it readily available whenever we need to re-calibrate our displays and sometimes our friends'/relatives' displays.

does this disc have an adjustment for tint? it seems the color bars only cover the color settings.

does this disc have an adjustment for tint? it seems the color bars only cover the color settings.

The "Tint" setting should be irrelevant with either HDMI or Component Video transmission.

I REALLY ENJOY THIS BLU-RAY. I AM LEARNING ALOT AND MAKING THE PICTURE LOOK MORE ACCURATE. I HAVE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHINGFIGURED OUT EXCEPT FOR THE "Reference For Maximum Ambient Light" OR BACKLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO USE THIS PROPERLY?? THANKS

The only reason I would purchase this disc is to get my HD color space closer to rec 709. from what I'm reading, noone here sems to be making any changes to their color decoding that makes any difference.

I REALLY ENJOY THIS BLU-RAY. I AM LEARNING ALOT AND MAKING THE PICTURE LOOK MORE ACCURATE. I HAVE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHINGFIGURED OUT EXCEPT FOR THE "Reference For Maximum Ambient Light" OR BACKLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO USE THIS PROPERLY?? THANKS

first of all please do not use all caps when posting on forums.

as for "reference for maximum ambi light", i think some of the patterns require the use of a colorimeter to make proper adjustments.

first of all please do not use all caps when posting on forums.

as for "reference for maximum ambi light", i think some of the patterns require the use of a colorimeter to make proper adjustments.

I think that adjustment may refer to the use of D65 bias lighting behind some displays. I could be wrong though.

I REALLY ENJOY THIS BLU-RAY. I AM LEARNING ALOT AND MAKING THE PICTURE LOOK MORE ACCURATE. I HAVE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHINGFIGURED OUT EXCEPT FOR THE "Reference For Maximum Ambient Light" OR BACKLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO USE THIS PROPERLY?? THANKS

first of all please do not use all caps when posting on forums.

as for "reference for maximum ambi light", i think some of the patterns require the use of a colorimeter to make proper adjustments.

This just made my day. :p

One person posts in all capital letters and the other doesn't use any. Priceless.

I think that adjustment may refer to the use of D65 bias lighting behind some displays. I could be wrong though.

could be. doesnt the disc have description for each pattern?

This just made my day. :p

One person posts in all capital letters and the other doesn't use any. Priceless.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, I mean ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. :D

This just made my day. :p

One person posts in all capital letters and the other doesn't use any. Priceless.

at least there's no common rule against not using caps at all, or is it considered whispering and too quiet compared to all caps' shouting :)

at least there's no common rule against not using caps at all, or is it considered whispering and too quiet compared to all caps' shouting :)


sorry my all caps bothered you so much chang!!

ANYWAYS, on the disc there is a test pattern that has the white window in the middle and the description says to make the window no brighter than the outside of the box?? it is in the test patterns only section. i sent an e-mail to joe kane and patiently waiting a response..

sorry my all caps bothered you so much chang!!

ANYWAYS, on the disc there is a test pattern that has the white window in the middle and the description says to make the window no brighter than the outside of the box?? it is in the test patterns only section. i sent an e-mail to joe kane and patiently waiting a response..

let us know what he says. i never tend to believe i'll actually get a response from these type of emails.

you can try this question in the displays forums under your model or in the calibrations forums.

Does this disc have a check for audio delay? (beeping clock)??

Does this disc have a check for audio delay? (beeping clock)?? Yes.

Gary

I think that adjustment may refer to the use of D65 bias lighting behind some displays. I could be wrong though.


After doing more research and checking the disc out again, i found your answer to be correct, that calibration was for D65 bias lighting.

I'm also having problems with audio. Everytime I pause the test patterns and replay them I get no audio, it comes and goes. Panny BD30+Onkyo 805 via HDMI

I'm also having problems with audio. Everytime I pause the test patterns and replay them I get no audio, it comes and goes. Panny BD30+Onkyo 805 via HDMI

I had some issues with my Panny BD35 and this disc. I had my player setup for bitstream and secondary audio off. The only way I could get the audio to work properly was to use PCM and turn the secondary audio on.

I'm also having problems with audio. Everytime I pause the test patterns and replay them I get no audio, it comes and goes. Panny BD30+Onkyo 805 via HDMI Do you have the latest firmware updates for your Onkyo? The Onkyo/Integra receivers had problems with audio dropouts and the like with old FW.

Gary

Does anybody know where it is for sale in Canada? Specifically in a b/m store in the GTA (greater Toronto area)?

I just got this disc this week. I was actually surprised how close I had my TV set to what the disc suggested. In fact I made sure I had my original setting written down before I started and when I compared them they were so close I just kept mine.
I was almost dead on, too. I compared Ratatouille I recorded off Starz to my DVR (which I had calibrated using the HDNet test patterns) to the Blu-Ray version.

When my DVE disc arrived, I found I only had to make a few very minor adjustments - a tick or two here and there. So, I probably could have gone without the disc.

However, it was nice to have confirmation from a known good source. It's not like the disc was $100 or something. Just the filters alone made it worth getting the disc. I used them to touch up the adjustments on my DVR, since some of the test patterns I had recorded are more accurate with them.

Again, I was already darned close, but I prefer a home run. That's worth $16.