I'm moving to Laredo in a few months and wanted to start a discussion about HDTV in the local market (both in Laredo and Nuevo Laredo). My understanding is that there is some digital TV in the market already, and at least one Mexican station is broadcasting HDTV part-time; with the digital transition fast approaching, do the locals plan to introduce HDTV broadcasts at the same time, and will Time-Warner bring in KSAT's HD feed for ABC viewers?

My understanding of the current situation over the air (full-power analog stations only):

KGNS-DT 15: simulcasting KGNS-TV (8) on 15.1 and "CW Plus" on 15.2
KLDO-DT 19: simulcasting KLDO-TV (27) on 19.1, KETF-CA (25) on 19.2, KXOF-CA (39) on 19.3, and "LATV" on 19.4
KVTV-DT 31: simulcasting KVTV-TV (13) on 31.1

Mexican stations broadcasting in digital:

XHBR-DT 25: simulcasting XHBR-TV 11/XEW-TV 2 (Mexico City)
XHLNA-DT 50: simulcasting XHLNA-TV 21/XHWX-TV 4 (Monterrey)/XHDF-TV 13 (Mexico City)
XHLAT-DT 51 (HDTV): simulcasting XHLAT-TV (33)/XHFN-TV 7 (Monterrey)/XHIMT-TV 7 (Mexico City)

When I was in Laredo a month ago, the only channels I picked up with a cheesy indoor antenna (Bob Bullock Loop @ Jacaman) were KVTV-DT and XHLAT-DT.

Presumably KLDO will continue to simulcast KETF and KXOF until they flash-cut to digital whenever the FCC orders such things to happen. Until then I think any HDTV on KLDO or its fellow channel occupants would be painful (although Fox being 720p might work better multiplexed with 3 subchannels than a 1080i network would). KVTV and KGNS are more likely prospects for HD.

Time-Warner Cable: HD offerings (according to their website (http://www.timewarnercable.com/laredo/programming/larlineups.html?menu=Programming)) are:

890 HD Theater
893 TNT HD
894 FSN Southwest
895 ESPN HD
896 ESPN2 HD (not available with CableCARDs)
897 MOJO
899 HDNet
900 HDNet Movies
901 Universal HD

Subscription channels

706 HBO HD E
736 Showtime HD E

No locals (not even KSAT-DT and KLRN-DT) are apparently available in HD.

Corrections, updates, etc. are welcome!

I hope you know Spanish

The following is a list of local HD channels broadcasting in 1080i all of which are Spanish

11.1 XHBR XEW
21.1 XHLNA TV Azteca 13
33.1 XHLAT TV Azteca 7

I currently receive 9 Digital channels in north Laredo:
08.1 KGNS
11.1 XHBR HD
13.1 KVTV
21.1 XHLNA HD
27.1 KLDO
27.2 KETF
27.3 KXOF
27.4 LATV
33.1 XHLAT HD

analog channels:
02 XEFE
45 XHNAT
57 XHLAR
68 KLMV

I hope you know Spanish

Not yet; well, I had some Spanish in elementary school and high school, but I can't do much except ask for directions to the library these days. Hopefully the US stations will get with the program sooner rather than later.

Info: Laredo, TX 7

I just ordered Dish Netowrks with America's Top 250, HD Ultimate add-on, and local channels add-on.

I currently see this message for the local channels eligability:

Unfortunately, this address is not eligible for any of the Local Network Packages.

but I see this too:

Congratulations! This address is eligible for all Superstations. WB & UPN

Anyways, Dish told me about the All American Direct website where you pay $3 per NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX to setup and then $10.99 per month.

Does anyone know if those channels are in HD? Also, do you think its worth it or should I just an OTA antenna and just get those channels like that?

dja2k

I just got my order confirmation, what is the wing dish? Does it have to do with any of the local channels stuff?

dja2k

Topics merged.

Not yet; well, I had some Spanish in elementary school and high school, but I can't do much except ask for directions to the library these days. Hopefully the US stations will get with the program sooner rather than later.

Well good news quango, KGNS will be broadcasting NBC in HD later this year and will also add the following subchannels:
8.2 The CW
8.3 Telemundo
(both in standard digital signal)

source: pro8news.com/about (second to last paragraph)

Info: Laredo, TX 7

I just ordered Dish Netowrks with America's Top 250, HD Ultimate add-on, and local channels add-on.

I currently see this message for the local channels eligability:

Unfortunately, this address is not eligible for any of the Local Network Packages.

but I see this too:

Congratulations! This address is eligible for all Superstations. WB & UPN

Anyways, Dish told me about the All American Direct website where you pay $3 per NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX to setup and then $10.99 per month.

Does anyone know if those channels are in HD? Also, do you think its worth it or should I just an OTA antenna and just get those channels like that?

dja2k

That means Laredo local channels are not available in dish network yet. You'll probably be able to receive ABC, My Network TV, and The CW nationwide networks (NYC and/or LA) not Laredo locals. So if you live in Laredo and want to receive its local channels you're better of getting an off air antenna you'll save yourself $10.99 a month. Unless you want to wait until Dish network carries them. Either way cancel local subscription.

I checked the dish network website and it states it does carry Laredo Local TV just 3 of them though and none of them are in HD, I'd still choose an OTA you'll receive them free plus you'll get more local channels (subchannels).
LAREDO CBS - KVTV 13 on DN CH 8122
LAREDO NBC - KGNS 8 on DN CH 8123
LAREDO UNIViSION - KLDO 27 on DN CH 8126

Channels with an OTA
8.1 KGNS NBC DT (HD comming later this year)
8.2 KGNS CW DT (comming later this year)
8.3 KGNS Telemundo DT (comming later this year)
11.1 XHBR XEW HD
13.1 KVTV CBS DT
21.1 XHLNA Azteca 13 HD
27.1 KLDO Univision DT
27.2 KETF Telefutura DT
27.3 KXOF FOX DT
27.4 KLDO LATV DT
33.1 XHLAT Azteca 7 HD

SD Channels
02 XEFE Televisa
45 XHNAT Multimedios
55 KNEX-LP Azteca America
57 XHLAR Televisa
68 KLMV-CA Spanish Religious

Given the local channel situation in Laredo if you're going with satellite (Dish or DirecTV) I'd recommend "moving" your service address to San Antonio or thereabouts for your HDTV needs.

Good news on KGNS, hopefully that will be the kick in the behind KVTV and KXOF (and Time-Warner, to bring Laredo KSAT and KLRN in HD) need.

Thanks guys for the replies. I connected a $40 RCA HDTV amplified antenna to the Dish system and it only found (CBS) KVTV 13 and some other HD channels from Nuevo Laredo. Anyways, they however were super weak and would give out, but maybe that is expected from a cheap antenna.. I will have to install an OTA outdoor antenna to see what I get, any recommendations on model and where to buy a good OTA outdoor antenna?

I don't show these in my area, are they suppose to be with an OTA or just regular channels?
LAREDO CBS - KVTV 13 on DN CH 8122
LAREDO NBC - KGNS 8 on DN CH 8123
LAREDO UNIViSION - KLDO 27 on DN CH 8126

dja2k

After contacting customer service and applying yet another $3.99 to my monthly rate, I now see these three:

LAREDO CBS - KVTV 13 on DN CH 8122
LAREDO NBC - KGNS 8 on DN CH 8123
LAREDO UNIViSION - KLDO 27 on DN CH 8126

They also said that when ABC is added, I will automatically get it as well. Now it leave me with the question, what happened to FOX? Also if NBC is getting OTA 8.1 KGNS NBC DT (HD comming later this year), 8.2 KGNS CW DT (comming later this year), and 8.3 KGNS Telemundo DT (comming later this year), will they ever get those channels via DISH instead of OTA?

dja2k

After contacting customer service and applying yet another $3.99 to my monthly rate, I now see these three:

LAREDO CBS - KVTV 13 on DN CH 8122
LAREDO NBC - KGNS 8 on DN CH 8123
LAREDO UNIViSION - KLDO 27 on DN CH 8126

They also said that when ABC is added, I will automatically get it as well. Now it leave me with the question, what happened to FOX? Also if NBC is getting OTA 8.1 KGNS NBC DT (HD comming later this year), 8.2 KGNS CW DT (comming later this year), and 8.3 KGNS Telemundo DT (comming later this year), will they ever get those channels via DISH instead of OTA?

I wouldn't hold your breath on ABC or PBS or MyNetworkTV locally in Laredo, although you should be able to get ABC today as a "distant network" station (probably WABC New York) since nobody in Laredo can get ABC over-the-air. Same deal for PBS. Not sure if Dish offers a national MNTV. I'm surprised Dish doesn't provide KSAT (San Antonio ABC) like DirecTV does.

My guess is that they're not doing Fox/KXOF because it's a low-power channel, at least until the digital transition is over. Since they're already broadcasting KLDO (owned by the same company), KXOF should be easy though... again, DirecTV has it, and you'd think Dish would want to be competitive with DirecTV. You probably won't be able to get distant Fox.

As far as HD and the subchannels go, your guess is as good as mine. Neither satellite service seems to carry subchannels, so CW and Telemundo are unlikely to happen, but HD is somewhat more likely since they (DISH) are going to have to upgrade their equipment in every market to receive digital channels anyway.

Please add Ch. 25.1 to the list of Spanish language channels available locally in Laredo.

It is embarrassing that the channels from Mexico are broadcasting in crystal clear 1080i, while NBC and CBS are broadcasting in SD (a crappy looking SD at that).

I am actually upset that DirecTV is forcing its Laredo customers to take San Antonio ABC as part of its "locals" package. I would much rather have east and west coast ABC to take advantage of its many regional college football and basketball games. How can a channel be considered local, if I can't pick it up with an outdoor antenna?...San Antonio is 160 miles away!

By the way, I believe that for OTA in Laredo, an outdoor antenna is must...the signals are not distant, but they are just coming in from so many directions. I got an outdoor antenna with motor for $35 off of eBay, and it works great, except I haven't been able to find a sweet spot that will simultaneously pull in all channels with decent signal strength.

25.1 is already on the list in the first post. All of the Mexican stations really need to stop running in stretch-o-vision when they don't have a HD signal. But yeah "embarrassing" is the right word.

KGNS has been running a few short promos the past couple of weeks that don't mention HD directly but the same two sponsors show up at http://www.pro8news.com/about in a box that says "HD is Coming Soon Laredo!" Probably too much to hope "soon" is next Thursday for the first NFL game. Probably also too much to hope they increase their signal output; it's by far the weakest signal I get in NE Laredo with an indoor antenna. In terms of existing picture quality, I'd rate 8-1 a little better than 10 analog on Time Warner, but that's not saying much.

As for KVTV, considering they can't even scrape together the talent for a local newscast (and let's be honest, KGNS isn't setting the bar so high that KVTV couldn't be successful) I'm not going to hold my breath on HD. KXOF seems a little more promising since Entravision apparently already does Fox in HD down in McAllen (plus having the NFC & Cowboys is a bit more incentive).

KLRN and KSAT are up to Time-Warner, whose apparent total disinterest in HD in Laredo is evident; maybe analog shutdown will force the issue, but my guess is we're more likely to *lose* KLRN and KSAT than get them in HD.

Not directly HD related, but apparently Time-Warner and KSAT are in a snit (http://www.timewarnercable.com/Laredo/Programming/KSAT.html) over renegotiating their extension. Since TWC can probably get ABC programming from stations in Corpus or the lower valley, who'd probably jump to add another 100k+ viewers, if KSAT holds out, I'd imagine KSAT will cave sooner rather than later.

Hopefully when they do the deal they'll also bring HD along for the ride, but we'll see.

KGNS-8 (NBC) is broadcasting in HD this evening and the SD subchannels (8.2 CW and 8.3 Telemundo) are now live over-the-air, although there is no announcement on the pro8news.com website as of this moment. Some older receivers may need a rescan to understand the format change.

*BUMP*

Any updates on HD anyone? Is NBC broadcasting HD regularly now?

KGNS is currently broadcasting upconverted SDTV at 1080i on 15.1 (virtual 8.1); for about a week in October, they were broadcasting true HD and upconverted SD content such as local ads were very zoomed (not quite full zoom, but tiny pillarboxes and clear image loss at the top and bottom). Since they've already broadcast some HD clearly they have the equipment.

I suppose since KVTV and KXOF are in no hurry to go HD, nobody's putting much pressure on KGNS to get the bugs worked out.

As I write this, KGNS is broadcasting the NBC Nightly News in HD. Hopefully I haven't jinxed it and HD is back for good.

Thanks, Quango.

In other news, KVTV (CBS 13) has gone all-digital after its analog transmitter was damaged by a power surge (http://www.pro8news.com/news/local/36086669.html). The FCC filing is here (http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101284065&formid=910&fac_num=33078).

I just spoke to a technician at KGNS and he told me that the digital signals (8.1, 8.2, 8.3) are currently being broadcast on low power, and will be brought up to full power in Feburary.

torp74

One small bit of news: KVTV-DT will be moving from RF channel 31 to its final allotment, RF 13, on Thursday May 7th, per a promo I saw Friday night.

Please add Ch. 25.1 to the list of Spanish language channels available locally in Laredo.

It is embarrassing that the channels from Mexico are broadcasting in crystal clear 1080i, while NBC and CBS are broadcasting in SD (a crappy looking SD at that).

I am actually upset that DirecTV is forcing its Laredo customers to take San Antonio ABC as part of its "locals" package. I would much rather have east and west coast ABC to take advantage of its many regional college football and basketball games. How can a channel be considered local, if I can't pick it up with an outdoor antenna?...San Antonio is 160 miles away!

By the way, I believe that for OTA in Laredo, an outdoor antenna is must...the signals are not distant, but they are just coming in from so many directions. I got an outdoor antenna with motor for $35 off of eBay, and it works great, except I haven't been able to find a sweet spot that will simultaneously pull in all channels with decent signal strength.

With the spot beams they're moving to, they have to pick a set of locals being sent on a beam covering your area. No telling how long those E & W MPEG2 feeds will continue that have full CONUS coverage.

Not directly HD related, but apparently Time-Warner and KSAT are in a snit (http://www.timewarnercable.com/Laredo/Programming/KSAT.html) over renegotiating their extension. Since TWC can probably get ABC programming from stations in Corpus or the lower valley, who'd probably jump to add another 100k+ viewers, if KSAT holds out, I'd imagine KSAT will cave sooner rather than later.

Hopefully when they do the deal they'll also bring HD along for the ride, but we'll see.

Don't know if this has been settled yet, but TWC cannot legally rebroadcast another DMA's affiliate.

It's already been settled, probably because TWC also covers San Antonio and several other markets around here; however, Laredo isn't in San Antonio's DMA so I'm not sure the DMA rules would apply in this case.

I've noticed that the digital signal for NBC HD and the CW are gone...or is it just me? They were working fine as of Tuesday night and now I can't pick them up anymore. I don't really watch much TV...does anyone know what happened? :confused:

i'm not sure,sorry
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I've noticed that the digital signal for NBC HD and the CW are gone...or is it just me? They were working fine as of Tuesday night and now I can't pick them up anymore. I don't really watch much TV...does anyone know what happened? :confused:

I live in Laredo in the Village Creek subdivision (HWY 359) and was picking up the KGNS & CW signals without any problems for about a month or so. My outdoor VHF/UHF antenna (RCA ANT806) stopped picking up the signals about 2 weeks ago. I've tried rescanning and even purchased another outdoor antenna (Philips MANT940), but still can't get the signal back. This new antenna is UHF only, though. The CW used to broadcast on channel 8.2 (VHF) when we could pick it up, but I believe it now broadcasts on channel 15.2 (UHF), but this UHF antenna doesn't pick it up anyway. I'm debating wether to return the UHF only antenna or keep it in hopes that KGNS and CW will stay on channel 15 and hopefully be picked up in June when the signal goes full strength.(???)

Not sure what happened, but I can confirm that I can only get the NBC signal (in SD) here in NE Laredo despite good signal strength on UHF 15. Nothing will be on UHF 15 after June 12 unless someone applies to start a new channel there.

From the About page at KVTV: "If you have any questions about your reception of any of our digital signals, please contact us at hd@pro8news.com." Worth an email I suppose.

By the way, KVTV still is on UHF 31 and I haven't seen any promos on KVTV saying when they're switching to VHF 13 recently, although they have to do it by June 12. Their last FCC filing said they were doing it in May 7, which has come and gone.

I e-mailed KGNS 2 days ago, but have not gotten a response yet...:confused:

I got the following response from KGNS:

"Our DTV transmitter is having problems since last week and as a result the
NBC programing is standard and not High definition. Also lost are the CW
and Telemundo networks. Parts have been ordered and should be installed by
early next week.
If you can't pick up channel 8.1 you might need to do a re-scan on your
DTV or converter box."

My signal went out about 3 weeks ago and not "last week", but hopefully it'll come back when they fix their transmitter.

Sounds less like a transmitter problem and more like an encoder problem. I've seen other stations have their encoder fail and then they have to fall back on a single SD subchannel rather than their existing HD+SD multicast.

- Trip

Hi everybody:

I live in Nuevo Laredo and just bought a new TV (HDTV built in) and an indoor HDTV antenna but even when the pictures on the following channels are crystal clear, these are the only ones that I'm able to watch.

I tried to rescanned several times but this is as good as it gets:

25.3 XHBR XEW HD
13.1 KVTV CBS DT
21.1 XHLNA TV Azteca 13
33.1 XHLAT TV Azteca 7



What do I need to do in order to get KGNS, Telemundo, Univision, etc. free signals in HD?

Thanks for your help!

KGNS's and KLDO's current digital signals are a bit weak and transmitted from the northwest, about halfway between Laredo and the Colombia Bridge. You may need a directional antenna to get a signal from both. The only indoor antennas I've found that consistently receive KGNS-DT are the Silver Sensor models: Zenith PHDTV1/3 and Terk's HDTVi/HDTVa.

But after June 12, when the U.S. channels move to their final locations, KLDO should be much easier to receive in Nuevo Laredo, as the tower is in downtown Laredo. KGNS may be trickier, since it is going to be on VHF, but if you can get KGNS analog with your current antenna KGNS-DT should also be easier to receive. KVTV 13 is also moving back to VHF any day now.

BTW, KGNS-DT 8-2 and 8-3 are now back.

I really appreciatted your advice!

I'm kind of new regarding HDTV technology so I started to look for information about it on the web.

This I found in a website called hdtvantennalabs.com:


"There is no such thing as an HDTV antenna!

The first thing to know is that there is no such thing as an HDTV antenna. Your antenna has no idea whether your signal is high definition or not, pretty much as it doesn't care whether you are watching Fox News or NBC chanel. Antenna is just a piece of metal resonating at some particular frequency and having desirable electrical properties and radiation pattern. You may have Ultra High Frequency (UHF) antenna or Very High Frequency (VHF) antenna, but Fox News antenna or HDTV antenna is pretty much nonsense. To be fair, there are some antenna properties that are important for HD signal reception. Without going into a technical discussion, the bottom line is that the only reason you see HDTV antennas in the market is 'cause it sells better. HDTV is a fancy buzzword. As a rule of thumb, HDTV optimization is the less important feature to look at when buying an antenna for HDTV. "


It is the above statment true?

I mean, can I get most of HDTV signals in Laredo or Nuevo Laredo with just a properly aimed outdoor conventional antenna?

Thanks!

Yes, any properly-aimed "conventional" outdoor antenna that tunes both VHF and UHF signals should also work for digital television; you might need to adjust the aim somewhat for optimal digital television reception, though. But I wouldn't adjust the aim much until after June 12, when the U.S. stations should be on their final channels.

By the way, don't expect "HDTV" quality on any U.S. channels except KGNS (8-1, NBC). Telemundo (8-3), CBS (13-1), and Fox (27-3) are all currently being broadcast in SD locally, even though all of these networks have national HD feeds. The picture quality will probably be better than analog, though.

Thanks again Quango!

I've just installed an outdoor antennna And then finally picked up the following channels:

8.1 KGNS
8.2 CW
8.3 Telemundo

27.1 KLDO Univision
27.2 Telefutura
27.3 Fox
27.4 LATV

With this new antenna I've got all of the above plus the 4 That I've used to picked with the indoor antenna.

The problem is that today at noon I wasn't able to get the channel KGNS 8 HD and all of its subchannels.

Are they gone or still on?

I've read that in the past they were off the air for quite some time and was wondering if that problem is back again.

The channel 8's went out for me today, as well. They usually go out anywhere from a couple of days to a couple of weeks. It's frustrating that it keeps happening even after they fix the issue over at the station. I hope they resolve the problem permanently in time for the June 12 deadline...

Oh I see now!

Yeah, you're right, I hope that these guys do their job and everything will be ready by June 12th .

Thanks!

KGNS is just flaky. I have learned to bear with it, alas.

They are transmitting (the signal strength is decent), there's just no picture today.

KGNS 8-1, 8-2, 8-3 signals came back from late last night and lasted to somewhere this morning.

Now are gone back again.

15-3 is on now broadcasting something in 480i 4:3

Today I have no picture on any of the following channels:

8-1,8-2,8-3,27-1,27-2,27-3,27-4

I figure that due to the storm last night my outdoor antenna got move but it also could be that this problem it's not only mine but everybody's.

Anybody knows why?

I'm really new to all the issues regarding HDTV so I appreciated your advice because I'm not familiar with this system yet, just got it last week.

Thanks!

I live pretty darn close to the tower (NW Laredo), and I still can't get as good a picture on KGNS-HD as I do the Mexican HD (Azteca 7 and 13). Furthermore, KGNS assures me that they are now broadcasting at "full strength." Why are the Mexican signals so much stronger and clearer? No matter how I aim my aerials (I'm using the indoor Radio Shack "UFO" type), I can't get a perfect KGNS-HD signal. It's decent, but I still get blips and faint horizontal ghost lines that creep up vertically. Azteca is perfect. What gives?
As long as KGNS OTA HD signal is so crappy, I can't imagine DirecTV would have any interest in carrying it.

KGNS is now on VHF 8, which is a rather long wavelength and harder to capture with an indoor antenna. You may want to try a simple VHF dipole ("rabbit ears") - the ideal length for channel 8 is 31 inches (15 1/2 on each "stick"). See here (http://www.kyes.com/antenna/rabbitear.html) for details.

I lost the signal (again) yesterday for channels 8.1 - 8.3 even with my outdoor antenna. I can't even get the signal on my Digital TV while connected to the outdoor antenna, anymore. I just figured it was because I live in Village Creek, which is 18.8 miles (according to antenna web) from the signal and my outdoor antenna's range is 20 miles. But I guess people close to the signal are also having trouble with it, so I'm stumped as to what the problem could be. I honestly can't understand why we can see the channels clearly for several days, even weeks at a time and then, other times, the signal is completely gone for a couple of days in a row. :confused:

I lost the signal (again) yesterday for channels 8.1 - 8.3 even with my outdoor antenna. I can't even get the signal on my Digital TV while connected to the outdoor antenna, anymore. I just figured it was because I live in Village Creek, which is 18.8 miles (according to antenna web) from the signal and my outdoor antenna's range is 20 miles. But I guess people close to the signal are also having trouble with it, so I'm stumped as to what the problem could be. I honestly can't understand why we can see the channels clearly for several days, even weeks at a time and then, other times, the signal is completely gone for a couple of days in a row. :confused:

I'm glad I'm not the only one having that problem. I was getting really frustrated. One second I was watching it fine then the next there was no signal. I really hope they fix the problem, I'm beginning to hate these interruptions. Yeah, I know it's free, but still!

KGNS 8 (NBC affiliate) in HD. Saw the ad in yesterday's LMT.

XHLAR 57 Televisa is now broadcasting in digital subchannel 11.2