http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVw_VvFcV1U

This video gives me serious pause about buying a Plasma HDTV. I want to buy a high-end Plasma for gaming (as well as TV and movies) but if green-phosphor trailing is what I'm to expect....I honestly think it's a waste of money.

I don't see this on my 42PX60U. It could be a defective display.

Chris

I read in these forums (I don't remember where, so feel free to take this with a grain of salt) that one would never see that much in regular viewing. This was a source that was most likely to show it and was optimized in some way to exaggerate it. I do know that some people see this. The vast majority don't. (I don't) You're more apt to see it on some kinds of sources. Why don't you go to a store and see if you're somebody who sees the phosphor trailing or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVw_VvFcV1U

This video gives me serious pause about buying a Plasma HDTV. I want to buy a high-end Plasma for gaming (as well as TV and movies) but if green-phosphor trailing is what I'm to expect....I honestly think it's a waste of money.


I see SOME greenish yellow trailing on my Panny 58 inch 768p set, but NOTHING even close to as bad as that video shows. I would prefer it didn't do it at all, but I still think plasma is the best overall technology available at this point in time.

Umm..yeah, if you watch that vid all the way through they somehow switch the "green" cast to bright blue.:rolleyes: I have 3 plasmas and have never seen anything like that...if the video is legit then they either have a serious calibration problem or a defective set. (and then again it could be the pc/Xbox 360 causing the issue)

I see this effect on all plasma sets that I look at (haven't seen it on a Pioneer though) but that video greatly exaggerates it, at worst I get a minor trail and as you break in the display and calibrate it the effect minimizes greatly. (cool color temp almost gets rid of it but kills the skin tones so I use normal, Warm makes it very bad) I only see it now on a stress test of Call of Duty 4 on the start of Charlie Don't Surf where I see green trails around most things due to the very high contrast of the scene. You won't see it very often if you are sensitive to it. (which very few are)

Has the new Panasonic 08 models improve the green trail? Even if it is present, I will still probably go Plasma since I am gaming much less these days and I see most videos with fringing happens during video games.

I see them on my Panny. However, it's not as bad as the video. Very split second.

I really don't know who to believe anymore. Half of the people are saying that green-ghosting and trailing is commonplace and the other half are saying that only defective sets do that.

I really don't know who to believe anymore. Half of the people are saying that green-ghosting and trailing is commonplace and the other half are saying that only defective sets do that.

Like I said, it all depends on YOUR eyes and if you can see it or not. Some people just can't see it and therefor don't believe it is a problem and that the TV must be defective. It is there, it just depends on if you can see it or not. (and yes, your picture settings do play a part in how bad it looks, I have actually gotten the fringing to be very minimal on my 42px75) Go look at a plasma for yourself and see if your eyes notice the fringing.

well i know my fp-t5084 does nothing like that whatsoever, i play COD4 all the time fast motion everywhere and not even a hint of anything like that.

Umm..yeah, if you watch that vid all the way through they somehow switch the "green" cast to bright blue.:rolleyes: I have 3 plasmas and have never seen anything like that...if the video is legit then they either have a serious calibration problem or a defective set. (and then again it could be the pc/Xbox 360 causing the issue)
http://sr-388.net/images/av/phosphor-lag.jpg

All plasmas do it, some people just don't notice it.

I see the issue in the video, but I've never seen anything like when actually looking at a plasma.

I see yellow ghosting quite easily. I noticed it almost immediately on a panny PX series, but not so much on the panny PZ series, so 1080 might have improved things fro me.
For me, I have no trouble see this with dark scenes or black and white (think Sin City, old B&W movies, dark scences from LOTR). Have yet to see any issue gaming with the PS3.

I could see rainbows on DLP too. Lucky me. I've just accepted it.... and the benefits of plasma outweigh this for me.

we have a 50" panny 600U and i've done fringing tests with bioshock. it's there but much fainter and smaller than the video shows. for the most part i never notice it unless im looking for it... it's a lot like the trails you see on crt with high contrast stuff.

we have a 50" panny 600U and i've done fringing tests with bioshock. it's there but much fainter and smaller than the video shows. for the most part i never notice it unless im looking for it... it's a lot like the trails you see on crt with high contrast stuff.
CRT trailing is nowhere near as bad. For a start, it's a dark green trail behind moving objects, rather than splitting up the colour:

http://sr-388.net/images/av/phosphor-crt.jpg

Not only that, but it's only trails, whereas phosphor lag on plasmas is often seen as coloured flashes which are far more distracting.

I never saw it on my 5080 nor my 5084. So itf it was there, it was so minimal as to never be seen even while gaming.

I see it about as bad as that video, but just on Panasonic displays. I can barely see it on Pioneer's current models.

It's more visible on some content than others.

What's walways troubled me about this topidc is that there's no clear concensus on the truth. Some people will forcefully tell you that they've never had the problem while others continue to insist that "all Plasmas do it".

What I'd like to know is if the people who have the problem didn't calibrate their set.

What's walways troubled me about this topidc is that there's no clear concensus on the truth. Some people will forcefully tell you that they've never had the problem while others continue to insist that "all Plasmas do it".

What I'd like to know is if the people who have the problem didn't calibrate their set.

Well I think there is no denining that they all do it. It's just a matter of what content you watch and if your looking for it. I know that I see it and my girlfriend doesn't even notice it until I point it out. If she answered the question does your set have any phosphor trails the answer would be no, if I answered the question it would be yes even though it's the same set. I'll tell you right now it sure beats having trails "smearing" on an LCD.

Funny in a lot of the LCD threads they say "beats having green flashing on plasmas"

Funny how that works both ways huh?

I'm not sure why someone would rather have a couch smear across the screen then a quick and not always very noticable green flash. To each their own I guess.

I seriously hoped this wouldn't devolve into a LCD vs. Plasma fanboy foodfight.

I haven't seen this on my plasma, however my tube TV does this when I game.

I'm eyeing a 50 inch Panny plasma (either the TH-50PX75U or the TH-50PX80U). I just about 10-12 feet away from the TV. Even if it "fringed", would I notice it???

I'm eyeing a 50 inch Panny plasma (either the TH-50PX75U or the TH-50PX80U). I just about 10-12 feet away from the TV. Even if it "fringed", would I notice it???

The father away you sit the less you'll notice it because the fringed area will be smaller.

But seriously....is it that common? Does breaking it in properly and calibrating it help???

But seriously....is it that common? Does breaking it in properly and calibrating it help???

Depends on what kind of content you view. If you play a lot of fast place games then your going to notice it more then just watching college basketball. In fact just watching regular TV you probably won't notice it at all.

Depends on what kind of content you view. If you play a lot of fast place games then your going to notice it more then just watching college basketball. In fact just watching regular TV you probably won't notice it at all.

I guess what I'm getting at is...

Can proper break-in and calibration eleviate the problem??? I've talked to many hardcore 360 gamers who say that they don't see fringing at all on their Panny plasmas. I just don't know who to believe. I want to make sure that I make the right decision with my purchase.

I guess what I'm getting at is...

Can proper break-in and calibration eleviate the problem??? I've talked to many hardcore 360 gamers who say that they don't see fringing at all on their Panny plasmas. I just don't know who to believe. I want to make sure that I make the right decision with my purchase.

Believe them all. Again, the visibility of the effect/artifact varies mostly with the unique visual acuity of the viewer. Most people don't see it, or see it very minimally or only when it's pointed out to them by someone who can see it. But for those who are in the minority and do see it and see it clearly.. it can be a dealbreaker for those individuals. The only way to find out is to visit stores and view the various plasmas and see if you can pick up on the effect. If you can't, put it out of your mind.

worth repeating..


I see this effect on all plasma sets that I look at (haven't seen it on a Pioneer though) but that video greatly exaggerates it, at worst I get a minor trail and as you break in the display and calibrate it the effect minimizes greatly. (cool color temp almost gets rid of it but kills the skin tones so I use normal, Warm makes it very bad) I only see it now on a stress test of Call of Duty 4 on the start of Charlie Don't Surf where I see green trails around most things due to the very high contrast of the scene. You won't see it very often if you are sensitive to it. (which very few are)

The only way to find out is to visit stores and view the various plasmas and see if you can pick up on the effect. If you can't, put it out of your mind.



I visited Circuit City about a month ago when they had all the TV's running "The Bourne Ultimatum". I was watching the Plasma's (cuz I have always leaned towards them anyway) and, even with my face just a couple feet away from the screen, I saw no flaws to the screen. I have perfect vision too.

The movie is as fast-motion as they come.

This is why I started up this thread. I've been scratching my head when I hear people say how prevalent "green-ghosting" or "fringing" is.

It depends on your eyes. Either you see it or you don't, kinda like the DLP rainbow stuff.

It also depends heavily on the content. I rarely see it on movies, but it's very obvious on Gears of War and some other games because of the fast motion and the color palette of the game. Sin City is a classic example for DVD.

This might improve as the display ages but no guarantees. It's a function of how quickly each phosphor color decays. If they aren't exactly the same then you might see this stuff.

If you are a big "gamer", since this seems to be the most acute area in which the issue could potentially manifest itself, it would be worth trying to find a store which will allow you to hook up your xbox/etc. to one of the plasmas you are seriously considering and see if you can see trailing/fringing then. If you're not into "gaming" or don't spend much time on it, you've already found your answer .. it won't be an issue for you.

Strange as it may seem, everyone is sensitive to different things. Some can see motion lag on lcds of all quality levels and it drives them bonkers. Others don't notice it at all, and wonder what the fuss is all about. Some can see plasmas refreshing their screens as if viewing a strobe light and it's very distracting to them, while most others wonder what the hell those people are smoking because they cannot see it. Some were driven nuts by the color wheels utilized in DLPs, easily seeing the multi-color effect, while others couldn't/can't see it at all. Some are driven nuts by the so-called silk screen effect on Sony SXRDs, while others think it's much adieu about nothing.

The list goes on.. for whatever reason, different people are sensitive to different things when it comes to display technology. With some luck, you might not be prone to seeing any of the negative picture attributes. Certainly widens your scope of display possibilities; plasma, lcd, crt rear proj., etc.

I visited Circuit City about a month ago when they had all the TV's running "The Bourne Ultimatum". I was watching the Plasma's (cuz I have always leaned towards them anyway) and, even with my face just a couple feet away from the screen, I saw no flaws to the screen. I have perfect vision too.

The movie is as fast-motion as they come.

This is why I started up this thread. I've been scratching my head when I hear people say how prevalent "green-ghosting" or "fringing" is.

It usually happens the most in high contrast scenes, check this out:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eoLFLq6pvDU

Notice how most of the fringing is on the lights in the background & not so much the people walking by.

If you are a big "gamer", since this seems to be the most acute area in which the issue could potentially manifest itself, it would be worth trying to find a store which will allow you to hook up your xbox/etc. to one of the plasmas you are seriously considering and see if you can see trailing/fringing then. If you're not into "gaming" or don't spend much time on it, you've already found your answer .. it won't be an issue for you.

Strange as it may seem, everyone is sensitive to different things. Some can see motion lag on lcds of all quality levels and it drives them bonkers. Others don't notice it at all, and wonder what the fuss is all about. Some can see plasmas refreshing their screens as if viewing a strobe light and it's very distracting to them, while most others wonder what the hell those people are smoking because they cannot see it. Some were driven nuts by the color wheels utilized in DLPs, easily seeing the multi-color effect, while others couldn't/can't see it at all. Some are driven nuts by the so-called silk screen effect on Sony SXRDs, while others think it's much adieu about nothing.

The list goes on.. for whatever reason, different people are sensitive to different things when it comes to display technology. With some luck, you might not be prone to seeing any of the negative picture attributes. Certainly widens your scope of display possibilities; plasma, lcd, crt rear proj., etc.

I'm sensitive to every single thing you listed. :(

I'm sensitive to every single thing you listed. :(

What kind of TV you have then???

time to join a book club.

:P

(sorry, I shouldn't make light. I've slapped myself accordingly. :o )

What kind of TV you have then???

I have a Plasma, I'll take some fringing and the occasional yellow flash over the problems LCD has with motion and clouding anyday. (Silk Screen drives me crazy so I can't do any rear projection sets)

Some people are driven insane by LCD ghosting.

Others will swear DLP rainbow effect induces them to commit multiple homicide.

Still others will claim they see messages telling them to kill people in plasma green trails.

If you're looking for a technology with no visual flaws that certain individuals can easily see, you'd better dig up an old CRT from somewhere, because it's the only one without these problems.

If you're looking for a technology with no visual flaws that certain individuals can easily see, you'd better dig up an old CRT from somewhere, because it's the only one without these problems.

About CRTs, every one I've owned has had uniformity issues across the screen. Like watching movie credits or slow pans you can see an area pinch together in one area of the screen and then stretch out again after. Also, depending on how bright a shot is, the entire displayed image will fluctuate in size with a bright white image making it larger and near black stuff being smaller.

Is this just a fact of life with cheap CRTs or is it there somewhat in all CRT displays?

are pannys the worst for fringing?

There is a dedicated thread to this topic, you know. I used to be subscribed, but can't find it now (or too lazy to). It's been around forever. More discussion than you could possibly ever want on this subject. I think the subject line reads something to the effect of 'I see green trails on my plasma'.

There is a dedicated thread to this topic, you know. I used to be subscribed, but can't find it now (or too lazy to). It's been around forever. More discussion than you could possibly ever want on this subject. I think the subject line reads something to the effect of 'I see green trails on my plasma'.

That thread has been archived. You can view it, but can't post any messages on it.

are pannys the worst for fringing?

I'd like to know the same thing.

are pannys the worst for fringing?

I am not a pro or anything, but to my untrained eyes I definitely saw what I guess is 'fringing' on the Panasonic 58" PZ750U (split second green flashes during panning motion, right?) when comparing to the Pioneer and Hitachi 60" models at BB/Magnolia.

I did not see this with the other sets, and went with the Pioneer 6010FD specifically because of this issue.

I went to Best Buy and played my XBox 360 (the guys were cool about it) on the Pioneer 1150HD. OMFG!!!!!!!! It was freaking amazing. I'm seriously leaning towards getting it. I played Gears of War on it and I saw ZERO fringing. The dark scenes (they're plenty of them) are orgasmic.

My personal experience from owning the displays was that the Panasonic 1080p models had much more significant fringing then the current Pioneer models.

I have a Panasonic 50PX77U. I've only noticed this green fringing stuff in a couple of very specific instances while playing Call of Duty 4, like a previous poster mentioned. There are some scenes in the game where there's a concrete/sand color with very dark shadowed areas. If I intentionally swung around and looked for it, it's there.

I never notice it during regular TV and movie watching, and 99%+ of the time while playing the 360 too.

For me it's a complete non-issue.

jeff

That thread has been archived. You can view it, but can't post any messages on it.

ah, I see. Thanks for the scoop.

Just went to BB today to check out the 46PZ85U and specifically look for fringing. They've got Spiderman 3 on blu-ray playing and during the movie (I watched for about 15 minutes, skipping around as well) I didn't see anything of the sort.

In the main menu however, there's a lot of quick panning elements and occasionally I'd catch a flash of yellowish green. It was still pretty subtle and I had to be looking for it to even see it at all. I wish I had a PS3 myself, because I would have brought some games to test as well (I brought PS2 games but I guess it was a 40gb PS3 so it wasn't backwards compatible).

That thread has been archived. You can view it, but can't post any messages on it.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=603995

Seems to be active to me.

UPDATE:

HEY EVERYBODY!!!!

My issue has been resolved!!!!!!

Yesterday evening, I went to my local Tweeter and bought the Pioneer 1150 for $2300(everywhere else has it for $3500).

Let me say this......WWWWWOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

The picture is mindblowingly awesome while playing on my 360. However, I'm going to hold back on the gaming for a while (100 hours or so) to break it in. Pioneer has the best anti-IR/burn in technology, to begin with. I just want to be safe.

I played a few rounds of CoD4 last night and I was BLOWN AWAY!!!!!!! The built-in factory "Game mode" got it about right. I'm still toggling it though. I saw no green-fringing. The only time I've seen "green-fringing" on the set so far is when I was watching SD programming where the color setting were WAY off. Even then, it wasn't intolerable.