We are all frustrated by double dipping. That's nothing new. But what's really frustrating is when the studios put their movies out on Blu-ray and don't even include what is already available on DVD special editions regarding either extended versions of the films or special features. So, to this end, I am starting this list of movies I would like to buy but can't bring myself to, because they don't even have what the DVD versions have. I say we keep this list to warn others just getting into buying Blu-ray what titles to avoid until the inevitable good version is released.

Here's what the AVS forum community would like to get but am waiting for the proper releases:

1) Die Hard 4 (missing unrated with blood and extended scenes)
2) Independence Day (missing extended cut)
3) Aliens vs Predator (has both regular and extended cut but missing nearly all featurettes)
4) Robocop (poor video quality and missing nearly all special features)
5) Rocky (added from Dave Mack)
6) Man on Fire (added by Cold as Ice)
7) Terminator 2: Judgment Day (added by Cold as Ice)
8) Chronicles of Narnia (no extended) - Disney (xradman)
9) Pearl Harbor (no extended) - Disney (xradman)
10) Ultraviolet (no unrated) - Sony (xradman)
11) Mr. & Mrs. Smith also did not include unrated version - jkcheng122
12) Punisher (no extended, missing special features) - lern2swim
13) Stargate (missing all the special features, average encode, subtitle problems) - HumanMedia
14) Saw (missing directors cut) - lern2swim
15) Predator (missing all bonus features)
16) Commando (missing director's cut and all bonus features) - HumanMedia
17) Black Hawk Down (missing director's cut and some bonus features) - HumanMedia
18) Chronicles of Narnia: Lion, Witch, and Wardrobe (missing 7 mins of extended edition)

What's even worse, many of these movies are old catalog titles and they are charging a lot for them!

Feel free to add your picks to this thread for sorry releases that should have included at least what the DVD offered.

Edit note: I removed Top Gun and Traffic because I realized those were HD DVD's. WHile I agree with the poor decisions of the studios, this list is meant to be a Blu-ray list. For all we know, Paramount might re-do those properly when brought to Blu-ray.

Edit note: I removed Terminator from the list based on other users comments.

Rocky

Fritz did you make a FOX bash thread?
You should change the title to boycott FOX.

More power to you. But I got Robo for $12. And I dont think the picture can get much better. But as usuall Fox screws you on the extras, on every damn release.

I really want I robot and ID4, but $28 is reallly like letting them slap me in the face. So I'm waiting.

I should add that I do think that the new releases with some extras + the digital copy are worth $28. It's better than having a combo and going through the process of ripping and converting a film to play on my iPhone.

Yeah, I realized most of those were Fox titles. It's a bummer since I like many Fox titles. But then they are doing Aliens vs Predator 2: Requiem with all the extras, so they know about doing it right the first time. They just know they probably can't milk people twice with a title as lame as that. But they will get two or three more buys from people wanting to better versions of Die Hard or Independence day.

Well, I wouldn't buy ID or AVP on any format, so I'm happy to boycott those. ;)

I haven't bought the other two either, as I was concerned about the quality of Robocop and of course I'm hoping for the unrated DH4.

Speaking of I, Robot, I may go ahead and get that one. While they didn't include everything from the 2-disc DVD, they did port over more than 2 hours of the extras. I'd rather get it than wait what could be several years just to get the rest. I'll probably still wait for a sale though, as I think $28 is too much for most catalog titles anyway.

dont like them then dont buy them.. its really that simple. As long as the transfer is good thats all i care about. The price could go down some but thats why you find them on sale.. it happens very often. dont have a cow.

But then they are doing Aliens vs Predator 2: Requiem with all the extras, so they know about doing it right the first time.
I think as new replication lines come on board and 50GB DLs are more readily available, we'll see more complete releases. Studios probably had to pick and choose what could get the "royal" treatment early on and catalog titles weren't it.

I don't think the OP is necessarily stating that there is anything wrong with these transfers, it's just that they aren't offering the extended cuts of these movies when they are already available on DVD. I for one can't stand the majority of extended/director's cut versions. Typically added are scenes that don't really help push the story forward, but the director is in love with it so it's thrown back into the cut.

I'll be picking up ID4 soon. I still have my DVD version, so if I want to check out the difference between the two different cuts, I'll have it.

I just thought of something, though: my whole point is pointless because studios could simply use seamless branching to please both crowds (theatrical vs. extended). That's the only way a movie should be offered, in my opinion.

-Brad

dont like them then dont buy them.. its really that simple. As long as the transfer is good thats all i care about. The price could go down some but thats why you find them on sale.. it happens very often. dont have a cow.


Exactly, I don't like them, and many others don't, hence the "boycott" in the subject. As in we don't want to buy them.

The other poster was also correct, we do like the movies and the transfers, just want the special editions with more footage/blood/what-have-you.

I thought he was mostly talking about the extras not being included (except for DH4 where the film was edited to PG-13 so it could make more money). That's what I miss.

I'm not a big fan of boycotting for not releasing a special edition, but I do agree that the prices for these catalogue titles of Fox is abso-fing-lutely ridiculous. It's curbed my buying habits by making me pick up titles used or on sale only instead of going on release day and snagging them.

LOL, boycott my beloved Fox titles? Surely ye jest!

I only got into Blu-Ray because of FOX titles! :D

I can't wait to see you all boycott "Star Wars" until the "unremastered-with-no-bonus-features" versions come out on Blu-Ray ;)

I¨ll do my part and gladly boycott Aliens vs Predator :P

We are all frustrated by double dipping...

We all aren't. I except it as a part of the video business cycle. It is a practice that has been going on since VHS and is nothing new. Remember BDs are being released now to a small audience with no hope of large sales. The studies need to be able to re-release certain titles in the future when BD has a larger share of the market.

We all aren't. I except it as a part of the video business cycle. It is a practice that has been going on since VHS and is nothing new. Remember BDs are being released now to a small audience with no hope of large sales. The studies need to be able to re-release certain titles in the future when BD has a larger share of the market.

Thank you!!!, my thoughts exactly. At the same time, if you think a movie was worth the money when you bought it why are you frustrated when a new version comes out??? is someone holding a gun to your head making you buy the other copy???

- Live Free or Die Hard
- Independence Day
- Man on Fire
- Terminator
- Terminator 2: Judgment Day

More to come as I think of them.

We are all frustrated by double dipping. That's nothing new. But what's really frustrating is when the studios put their movies out on Blu-ray and don't even include what is already available on DVD special editions. So, to this end, I am starting this list of movies I would like to buy but can't bring myself to, because they don't even have what the DVD versions have. I say we keep this list to warn others just getting into buying Blu-ray what titles to avoid until the right inevitable good version is realease.

Here's what I woudl like to get but am waiting for the proper releases:

1) Die Hard 4
2) Independence Day
3) Aliens vs Predator
4) Robocop
5) Rocky (added from Dave Mack)

What's even worse, many of these movies are old catalog titles and they are charging a lot for them!

Feel free to add your picks to this thread for sorry releases that should have included at least what the DVD offered.

Special features mean nothing to me. If you ask me, I say just put the movie, best possible sound and maybe the running commentary. All else is just a waste of space that could be utilized for the best quality video.
Remember the Superbit DVD's? That is how I would like to see BD.

Special features mean nothing to me. If you ask me, I say just put the movie, best possible sound and maybe the running commentary. All else is just a waste of space that could be utilized for the best quality video.
Remember the Superbit DVD's? That is how I would like to see BD.


+1

I only view them once if at all. Give me the highest bitrate please!:D

Extras? BAH! PQ and AQ, please.

You should change the title to "Boycott FOX".

Fox obviously didn't get the memo where it says that BD can store up to 50G of data.

Personally, I've been buying a lot of Fox's Film Noir, seeing as I refuse to pay $28 for iRobot and ID4. At least these are restored re-masters.

Hey, it could have been worse - they could have just done re-scans. I expect Fox to come out with BD Live! versions, so that you can download all the missing goodies. Of course the BD Live! versions will be $4.99 more...

Is there any chance that Independence Day will look better in terms of PQ in a future re-release? Because otherwise, I'll likely just purchase the version available right now when the price comes down.

I already have ID4 and Robocop, and I'm pleased with them. I refuse to buy Die Lite.

Special features mean nothing to me. If you ask me, I say just put the movie, best possible sound and maybe the running commentary. All else is just a waste of space that could be utilized for the best quality video.
Remember the Superbit DVD's? That is how I would like to see BD.

+1
If I actually sit down to watch special features, it's a one time thing anyway. All I want is the best audio/video from my Blurays!

Special features mean nothing to me. If you ask me, I say just put the movie, best possible sound and maybe the running commentary. All else is just a waste of space that could be utilized for the best quality video.
Remember the Superbit DVD's? That is how I would like to see BD.

Totally agree. I don't want extras that jeopardize the PQ of the movie itself. Fox has given us many of the very best looking BDs out there.

3) Aliens vs Predator

AVP on Blu-ray already features both the rated and unrated cuts. Are you wanting to boycott it because it lacks extras?

Is there any chance that Independence Day will look better in terms of PQ in a future re-release? Because otherwise, I'll likely just purchase the version available right now when the price comes down.

Sure its always a possibility but the issue at hand is that the Blu-ray release lacks the extended cut.

More power to you. But I got Robo for $12. And I dont think the picture can get much better. But as usuall Fox screws you on the extras, on every damn release.


I don't mind paying $12 for sub-par release, but not $20 or over which is what studios seem to want to charge. I would add

Chronicles of Narnia (no extended) - Disney
Pearl Harbor (no extended) - Disney
Traffic (HD DVD, with 480P upconvert quality PQ) - Universal
Top Gun (HD DVD, bare bones) - Paramount
Ultraviolet (no unrated) - Sony

Sure its always a possibility but the issue at hand is that the Blu-ray release lacks the extended cut.

It's not an issue for me, as I prefer the theatrical cut.

The same applies for Terminator 2; I think the theatrical cut for that film is vastly superior. My issue with the current release of T2 is the PQ. I'd very much like for the studio to create a new master.

Mr. & Mrs. Smith also did not include unrated version.

It's not an issue for me, as I prefer the theatrical cut.

The same applies for Terminator 2; I think the theatrical cut for that film is vastly superior. My issue with the current release of T2 is the PQ. I'd very much like for the studio to create a new master.

preferrences aside, the extended cuts should have been included via seamless branching. we want our cakes and eat them too you know.

preferrences aside, the extended cuts should have been included via seamless branching. we want our cakes and eat them too you know.

Oh I agree. It's just with these particular titles I care less about the other cuts.

PQ and AQ, = 1st Choice Standard

If the movie is itself looks and sounds fine, I have no particular interest in having another copy. For most films I am not interested in special features.

RoboCop is a title that looks questionable to me on Blu-ray. I know they have had a lot of problems with the title but it is hard to believe that the current Blu-ray edition is best-possible. [There was an earlier Blu-ray done by Sony that was so bad it was pulled just before release.]

Rocky is also questionable, but the others look fine.

Live Free or Die Hard - waiting for unrated cut
Rocky - already bought it. what's the issue here?
Robocop - already bought it, knowing beforehand that the PQ was subpar. bought it because it was part of a BOGO
ID4 - what are the issues here? i didn't even know there was an extended cut!

Want extended ID4 and EXTENDED DIEHARD 4 but happy as Larry with I ROBOT.Dont think a better ROBOCOP is gonna turn up anytime soon.

Extras? BAH! PQ and AQ, please.

+1

Pretty much any movie longer than 90 minutes that was released on a BD-25 should probably be redone (especially if it was done with MPEG-2). That means most first-run Sony, Lionsgate, Fox and Paramount titles (IIRC, Warner has pretty much always used VC-1 even with their earliest titles, though it'd be nice if they redid their releases without the HD DVD least-common-denominator encodes in place).

I'm not too worried about extras, so your list of titles is obviously not mine. I do care about alternate cuts though, so I do agree about Live Free or Die Hard (or as you call it, "Die Hard 4").

Special features mean nothing to me. If you ask me, I say just put the movie, best possible sound and maybe the running commentary. All else is just a waste of space that could be utilized for the best quality video.
Remember the Superbit DVD's? That is how I would like to see BD.

It's not just special features but additional footage in the movie. So when you say movie we agree, but the best possible video (all of it) and audio on the disc the first time, especially for catalog titles.

Also, it's the fact that these special features were ALREADY DONE for the numerous special editions for DVD. To not include the better versions of the film (or both versions) and all the pre-done features is just a simple ploy to abuse their customer base.

This thread is a warning to consumers to be aware that these particular movies will probably be re-released in better versions down the line.

That's all.

This thread is a warning to consumers to be aware that these particular movies will probably be re-released in better versions down the line.

That's all.

And if they are not, you miss out on entertainment today.

I'm quite happy without the extras. I rarely watch them. Extra footage? Well, for those very few movies where I might want a different cut, I'll buy again and enjoy what's out there today.

Live Free or Die Hard - waiting for unrated cut


Did you guys ever think that John McClain just got a little older and doesn't swear as much??

I Love this Movie. PQ Excellent & AQ Excellent!

If you need the swearing, just do it yourself. WOW! Did you see that F'in explosion? OUCH! Man that had to F'in hurt!! and of course Yipee Kyah Mother...er! You get the idea.

I'm pretty much assuming most if not all Blu discs out now will be re-released. Therefore, I'm boycotting Blu in its entirety until I'm sure I'm buying a definitive edition of a movie. Prices going down about 50% (especially on the players) is the biggest factor for me though.

I'm pretty much assuming most if not all Blu discs out now will be re-released. Therefore, I'm boycotting Blu in its entirety until I'm sure I'm buying a definitive edition of a movie. Prices going down about 50% (especially on the players) is the biggest factor for me though.

Cool, I hope you boycott DVD and CD's as well. Because most films on DVD have been released more than once, and a good majority of CD's get revisited with special editions somewhere down the line. You could probably boycott computers too while you're at it, since as soon as you buy one, something better has come out, and car's would have to go as well, since their is always a newer model coming out. :cool:

Rocky
Usual Suspects

Bought both because I love the movies and the BR versions are currently the best avail, clearly superior to the dvd, HOWEVER, they sure could've been 'even better'...

I would warn any prospective buyers of these titles to ignore much of this "boycott" thread and investigate each BD on a case by case basis. Many for example contain both reference audio and video that are the best High Definition has to offer period. Some of them will never look or sound any better and waiting for a mythical super edition seems very silly.

If you don't like it don't buy it. Very simple. I have no idea why anyone would want to watch upscaled DVDs rather than the 1080p Blu-Ray versions that are available, even if they don't have some silly bonus feature from the DVD.

Did you guys ever think that John McClain just got a little older and doesn't swear as much??

Nope, because he lit off enough F Bombs on the unrated DVD version of Live Free or Die Hard.

If you don't like it don't buy it. Very simple. I have no idea why anyone would want to watch upscaled DVDs rather than the 1080p Blu-Ray versions that are available, even if they don't have some silly bonus feature from the DVD.

Yep, I just don't get some people here. I don't go to the movies to watch bonus features and that's not why I buy them on home video. Most bonus features are pointless fluff anyway. I and many others, I don't think, are trying to excuse anyone from letting them off, they just aren't that important in the first place IMO.

Did you guys ever think that John McClain just got a little older and doesn't swear as much??

I Love this Movie. PQ Excellent & AQ Excellent!

If you need the swearing, just do it yourself. WOW! Did you see that F'in explosion? OUCH! Man that had to F'in hurt!! and of course Yipee Kyah Mother...er! You get the idea.

Cute. I'll wait for the unrated cut, thank you.

RoboCop is a title that looks questionable to me on Blu-ray. I know they have had a lot of problems with the title but it is hard to believe that the current Blu-ray edition is best-possible.

There is a better version available, unfortunately not legally. This came up recently at my place when I was trying to sell some friends on bluray by showing them some movies. One buddy put on Robocop and laughed because he said his illegally downloaded version looked better. Fat chance I thought. So we took my PS3 and a few movies over to his place for an A/B comparison. We played my bluray Robocop again, seemed 'ok' on video quality but I figured that was because its an old movie. Then he switched video inputs and started playing his version. I immediately noticed the difference and his was clearly better.

I have to admit this really pissed me off. Here I am trying to do the right thing by buying movies, currently at 52 blu-rays. And what do I get? Clearly a crappy double dip. How the hell is it that the free downloaders are getting better versions than the paying customers? I just don't get it. Anyways, I fully support your double dip ban list, I think it's a great idea. In fact, it should be made a sticky thread like the quality tier thread.

I would warn any prospective buyers of these titles to ignore much of this "boycott" thread and investigate each BD on a case by case basis. Many for example contain both reference audio and video that are the best High Definition has to offer period. Some of them will never look or sound any better and waiting for a mythical super edition seems very silly.

Ah, actually, your advice is not the most sound. Already one of the titles on the list, Aliens vs. Predator, will get a double dip re-release later this year where it will have all the extended footage and features and more that SHOULD have been on the first edition of Blu-ray since it in fact was also already available on DVD.

Also, other movies like Full Metal Jacket and Troy Directors cut have already been re-released again in High Def properly.

So, I disagree with you. If you are an avid movie fan you are probably already replacing DVD's with high def versions. This thread may allow you to save a little money while waiting for a better version and it also sends a message to the studios that we want our movies done right the first time.

There are a good number of movies I would love to buy on that list, many I have already bought 3 or more times on regular DVD. I don't think it's consumer friendly to tease people like us with a half ass version only to come out with another better one that finally has all the stuff the DVD's had a year later.

All high def movies should come with all of the footage and special features that have been released on DVD, period. And don't tell me it's a space issue since Blu-ray is supposed to be superior in that regard.

So, like any thread, read this if you like, contribute to it, or ignore this thread. Up to you.

I wanted to boycott many Blu-ray releases, but do you know how long I may end up depriving myself?

A year? Two?

Do you have any idea how many releases aren't out... I don't think double-dipping is in books just yet.. Blu-ray needs titles. Lots of them to sell the format.

It's quantity over quality at the moment... sad but true.. at least on catalog titles :-/

Just pick them up when you can get them $10 or less.. That's what I do.

Ah, actually, your advice is not the most sound. Already one of the titles on the list, Aliens vs. Predator, will get a double dip re-release later this year where it will have all the extended footage and features and more that SHOULD have been on the first edition of Blu-ray since it in fact was also already available on DVD.

Also, other movies like Full Metal Jacket and Troy Directors cut have already been re-released again in High Def properly.

So, I disagree with you. If you are an avid movie fan you are probably already replacing DVD's with high def versions. This thread may allow you to save a little money while waiting for a better version and it also sends a message to the studios that we want our movies done right the first time.

There are a good number of movies I would love to buy on that list, many I have already bought 3 or more times on regular DVD. I don't think it's consumer friendly to tease people like us with a half ass version only to come out with another better one that finally has all the stuff the DVD's had a year later.

All high def movies should come with all of the footage and special features that have been released on DVD, period. And don't tell me it's a space issue since Blu-ray is supposed to be superior in that regard.

So, like any thread, read this if you like, contribute to it, or ignore this thread. Up to you.

one slight discrepency. AVP is being re-released with extra features, not extra footage. The extended cut was on the original release of AVP. About the only thing that AVP double dip is extra features.

Remember the Superbit DVD's? That is how I would like to see BD.
Limited selection and no consumer demand? Put special features on a second disc and really give people a reason to switch to Blu-Ray. Awesome HD picture and awesome audio and loads of special features.

I think some are a bit worried that you will not get enough PQ and AQ if the studios include extras.

So lets calculate using a 2 hour movie on a BD50.

We put in a high avarage bitrate of lets say 30mbs. And we also put in a 24bit PCM track a Dolby 640kbs track and a 192kbs commentary track.

So

Video = 27 GB
Audio = 7 GB

So 50gb - 27gb -7gb = 16GB

So then we have about 16GB left for everything else. So I give away 1GB for menus etc.
And I use a modern videocodec for the SD extras (thats most extras are in) with an avarage bitrate of 2mbs.

That gives us about 1000 minutes of extra material.

I am waiting for the Live Free or Die Hard version where they dump that annoying computer nerd character and bring back Samuel L. Jackson.

Double Dip the FUGITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would warn any prospective buyers of these titles to ignore much of this "boycott" thread and investigate each BD on a case by case basis. Many for example contain both reference audio and video that are the best High Definition has to offer period. Some of them will never look or sound any better and waiting for a mythical super edition seems very silly.

+1.

I am waiting for the Live Free or Die Hard version where they dump that annoying computer nerd character and bring back Samuel L. Jackson.

That will probably take as long as it will take Lucas to digitally remove Jar Jar from Phantom Menace.

I think some are a bit worried that you will not get enough PQ and AQ if the studios include extras.

So lets calculate using a 2 hour movie on a BD50.

We put in a high avarage bitrate of lets say 30mbs. And we also put in a 24bit PCM track a Dolby 640kbs track and a 192kbs commentary track.

So

Video = 27 GB
Audio = 7 GB

So 50gb - 27gb -7gb = 16GB

So then we have about 16GB left for everything else. So I give away 1GB for menus etc.
And I use a modern videocodec for the SD extras (thats most extras are in) with an avarage bitrate of 2mbs.

That gives us about 1000 minutes of extra material.

Most of the extras I have watched lately have been HD-lite with bitrates of about 10, not 2.

And I believe the best looking recent Fox releases take up more space than you are calculating for the movie itself.

Great thread. OP(original poster) thanks for keepin it up!

PS. too bad I already got ID4 before seeing this thread.

The first Fantastic Four movie has an extended cut on standard DVD which is missing from the BD.

The first Saw movie has an unrated director's cut on standard DVD, also missing on BD.

The Punisher (2004) had an extended cut on standard DVD, missing on BD.

And be sure to include the upcoming Commando BD which won't have the director's cut which has been out on standard DVD since last September.

Cute. I'll wait for the unrated cut, thank you.

Waiting?:confused: That sounds like fun!:eek:

Enjoy!! OOps, I mean enjoy F'in waiting!!:D

So according to this thread, we should boycott Kingdom of Heaven because it doesn't have any extras as found in the 4-disc DVD edition? But I already have the 4-disc edition so it's not an issue for me.

Should I boycott BDs with minor cuts, like Casino Royale? But that one made me decide to buy Blu-ray.:D

And how about House of Flying Daggers - poor transfer, lack of extras, minor cuts? But I adore the film and BD does provide an upgrade to the audio.

It is useful to know what is missing in the BD compared to the DVD but whether to wait or boycott depends on individual circumstances, not a blanket call for boycotting.:)

boycott a movie?? lmao

I'm all for boycotting Live Free or Die Hard since they really screwed that one up and the version of T2 available is rather crap... but I'm not going to avoid the amazing transfer for Man on Fire just because it's missing a few negligible special features or ignore Mr. and Mrs. Smith because an "extended cut" is available on DVD when it's not even a Director's Cut.

Did you guys ever think that John McClain just got a little older and doesn't swear as much??

I Love this Movie. PQ Excellent & AQ Excellent!

If you need the swearing, just do it yourself. WOW! Did you see that F'in explosion? OUCH! Man that had to F'in hurt!! and of course Yipee Kyah Mother...er! You get the idea.
No. The movie was shot as an R just like the previous 3 and then butchered for a PG-13 cut.

Extras? BAH! PQ and AQ, please.

Preach on brother!

And I don't care about extended/unrated cuts either.

Preach on brother!

And I don't care about extended/unrated cuts either.

Couldn't agree more. PQ, AQ and AR is all I worry about. Looking to get the best cinema experience I can from my HD media and that's what's important. The only movies I avoid are those that are released in an substandard aspect ratio to what was the OAR. And of course crappy PQ and AQ.

We are all frustrated by double dipping. That's nothing new. But what's really frustrating is when the studios put their movies out on Blu-ray and don't even include what is already available on DVD special editions regarding either extended versions of the films or special features. So, to this end, I am starting this list of movies I would like to buy but can't bring myself to, because they don't even have what the DVD versions have. I say we keep this list to warn others just getting into buying Blu-ray what titles to avoid until the inevitable good version is released.

Here's what the AVS forum community would like to get but am waiting for the proper releases:

1) Die Hard 4 (missing unrated with blood and extended scenes)
2) Independence Day (missing extended cut)
3) Aliens vs Predator (has both regular and extended cut but missing nearly all featurettes)
4) Robocop (poor video quality and missing nearly all special features)
5) Rocky (added from Dave Mack)
6) Man on Fire (added by Cold as Ice)
7) Terminator (added by Cold as Ice)
8) Terminator 2: Judgment Day (added by Cold as Ice)
9) Chronicles of Narnia (no extended) - Disney (xradman)
10) Pearl Harbor (no extended) - Disney (xradman)
11) Traffic (HD DVD, with 480P upconvert quality PQ) - Universal (xradman)
12) Top Gun (HD DVD, bad framing, bare bones) - Paramount (xradman)
13) Ultraviolet (no unrated) - Sony (xradman)
14) Mr. & Mrs. Smith also did not include unrated version - jkcheng122

What's even worse, many of these movies are old catalog titles and they are charging a lot for them!

Feel free to add your picks to this thread for sorry releases that should have included at least what the DVD offered.
Why do we need Blood for Die 4? Some people cant get enough violence and become desinsitized. Im tired of telling the the wife and kids this movie is to violent and to much profanity you better leave the room, when is enough violence,profanity enough?

Why do we need Blood for Die 4? Some people cant get enough violence and become desinsitized. Im tired of telling the the wife and kids this movie is to violent and to much profanity you better leave the room, when is enough violence,profanity enough?

Sounds like you are getting the wrong movies to start with. Go for family titles instead. But for those of us who want a gritty violent movie, we would like it uncut and untampered with from the creators original intent.

Why do we need Blood for Die 4? Some people cant get enough violence and become desinsitized. Im tired of telling the the wife and kids this movie is to violent and to much profanity you better leave the room, when is enough violence,profanity enough?

i can understand if they say mcclain got older and started swearing less, the blood in the movie is also fine for me. the reason for boycotting the movie isnt b/c mcclain doesnt curse, but because he did curse and it was censored/edited out.

Everyone one brings up good points for and against boycotting or basically waiting.

It's easy for me to wait for the next version of the movie, since I have probably already bought the movie 3 or 4 times now.

So, if I want to be educated about a new high def release and wait after realizing it is purposefully being gimped so that a double dip can get my money again later then call me crazy.

Sure some people have more money and will impulse buy anything. That's not me, at least not anymore.

I love these movies, I just want to give the studios the money after they give me a superior product. That's all.

Waiting?:confused: That sounds like fun!:eek:

Enjoy!! OOps, I mean enjoy F'in waiting!!:D

Oh don't get me wrong, I've seen Die Lite on BD. There's just no way I will buy Die Lite.

...Lucas to digitally remove Jar Jar...

Great idea.

Seriously.

Anyways, for titles like Kingdom of Heaven and Black Hawk Down, both of which I already own in their definitive sets on DVD, I'll wait a few years for Blu-ray exclusive sets to come out. It's going to happen eventually.

Cool, I hope you boycott DVD and CD's as well. Because most films on DVD have been released more than once, and a good majority of CD's get revisited with special editions somewhere down the line. You could probably boycott computers too while you're at it, since as soon as you buy one, something better has come out, and car's would have to go as well, since their is always a newer model coming out. :cool:

Many times I've waited to buy a DVD because I figured a special edition would come out. I only recently bought ID4, after comparing several versions that were out to find the best one. I waited for the collector's editions of all the Trek films before I bought them, no double-dipping there. Held off on Office Space until the special edition 'with flair' came out. At this point there's several movies I don't have at all, but I'm waiting for them to come out on Blu to buy.

I don't buy very many CDs, and except for the occasional box set or anniversary re-release, I've not personally heard of many double dips on them. I also don't care about extras on a CD, but I do with a movie.

Your comment about the laptop/car doesn't make sense. You could easily say the same thing to someone upgrading SD DVD titles to Blu, because they have to have 'the newest model' discs and players. FWIW though, my laptop is 5 years old, my car is a 98 Cavalier, and while I'm at it, my cell phone is 5 years old also. All still work just fine for me :)

And, it's "there," not "their."

I too usually prefer the theatrical cut and no chance I would ever boycott these....too many good titles to not own in HD!!! (I own most of them too and love them)

If better versions are released, I will just Ebay the old one and buy the new one.

No sweat and I get to enjoy it now too.

This is the beuty of capitalism, If you dont want it, dont buy it. :)

Myself is happy with my BD version of Black Hawk Down.

Many times I've waited to buy a DVD because I figured a special edition would come out. I only recently bought ID4, after comparing several versions that were out to find the best one. I waited for the collector's editions of all the Trek films before I bought them, no double-dipping there. Held off on Office Space until the special edition 'with flair' came out. At this point there's several movies I don't have at all, but I'm waiting for them to come out on Blu to buy.

I don't buy very many CDs, and except for the occasional box set or anniversary re-release, I've not personally heard of many double dips on them. I also don't care about extras on a CD, but I do with a movie.

Your comment about the laptop/car doesn't make sense. You could easily say the same thing to someone upgrading SD DVD titles to Blu, because they have to have 'the newest model' discs and players. FWIW though, my laptop is 5 years old, my car is a 98 Cavalier, and while I'm at it, my cell phone is 5 years old also. All still work just fine for me :)

And, it's "there," not "their."

Fine. But, my comment does make sense. You said you wouldn't buy anything but the "definitive" edition in your original post. My point was that there is never going to be a definitive edition of anything, it's always being changed and upgraded (for the most part). You have to choose when it makes sense for you to buy it. There will be newer models of the Toyota Corolla, newer models of the Dell Inspiron laptops, special editions of DVD's, re-releases on HD, ect.

BTW: I'm quite aware, I usually type these things quickly. You might want to work on your own sentence structure's, before going around correcting others. Are you aware of run-on sentences? Because you have one in your post.

While I question the merits of a boycott thread (on the grounds of effectiveness) I do think that this situation needs to be brought to the forefront and presented as the farce that it is. For the people who are against the op's statement. This is not merely double dipping he is talking about. This is a case of the studios merely not giving enough of a crap to include material that already exists and has been released on dvd. I can accept buying titles like Casino Royale that have limited extras and are technically cut. That is different than getting a product on BD that does not include features that have already been released on lower priced, lower quality dvd editions. I would prefer having special features on BD in sd as opposed to losing out on them all together.

To that effect my contribution to this list:
The Punisher

the BD has neither the special features of the original release or the extended cut of the second release (which in turn did not have the special features of the first)

Why do we need Blood for Die 4? Some people cant get enough violence and become desinsitized. Im tired of telling the the wife and kids this movie is to violent and to much profanity you better leave the room, when is enough violence,profanity enough?

This argument gets real old real quick. Blood and cussing belong in Die Hard 4 because it was "integral" to Die Hard 1, 2, and 3. As has already been said, if you're family is uncomfortable with the violence and profanity, choose your purchases more wisely. If you are unable to go without movies you like because of your family, that is a personal problem and you should have weighed your desire to watch movies you like vs. that when you started a family. It is not, however, okay with me for studio's to dilute a film series that has been hard R since the start so that Dad can watch with the kiddies. Have they seen the other 3? If not then why would they watch 4. If so then how would an R rated 4 be a problem? If it's that much of an issue then even the pg13 part 4 would be considered too violent for children by some. there are plenty of action movies out there for you and the family to enjoy that are totally appropriate. But movies that are meant to be R should not be altered "for the kiddies."

It has nothing to do with desensitization or "when enough is enough." Both of which are nothing but thinly veiled arguments in favor of censorship. The same general arguments have been used for centuries against every kind of art form. How about we have a nice book burning too. Gather all the copies of "American Psycho," "Fight Club", most Stephen King, Dean Koontz, Tom Clancy books, the bible, and every other book that has violence or foul language in it and throw them right on the bonfire. Then the next week we'll move onto music. Get all those Beatles and Elvis albums ready because that there is devil music that corrupts the children. This society makes no decisions worse than the ones made "in the name of the children" and those very same children are all the more worse off for it.

how are the differences in ENEMY OF THE STATE?

i was thinking of picking that up...anyone think the extended cut is worth waiting for?

That said, i have live free or die hard and several others that I frankly don't care about double dipping on. I'm not going to deny myself a movie if i really want it just because a possible double dip. often times double dips are lame anyway. i judge everything on a case by case basis.

This is amusing. Say Pulp Fiction is released with just the movie. It is immaculate 1080p with lossless audio. The transfer is beautiful. But it doesn't have the DVD extras.

Are people seriously going to "boycott" the release. (If Pulp Fiction doesn't work, use you favorite non-released movie.)

Will people really forego the HD version for these reasons? And, if so, who is really being hurt? The studio (who gets my money and everyone else's) or the "boycotting" person watching upscaled DVDs?

As others have said it is not so much the extra features, but the enhanced version of the film itself that is often missing. As far as I know there is only one cut of Pulp Fiction out there so your example doesn't quite fit. Now take The Abyss, a movie with a great extended cut which really adds a lot to an already good movie. This movie needs to be updated to BD in a bad way too because the existing DVD isn't even anamorphic. What if Fox decides to just release the standard theater only cut on BD for now? Would you buy it, or wait for the eventual extended cut release? Personally I'd wait.

Fine. But, my comment does make sense. You said you wouldn't buy anything but the "definitive" edition in your original post. My point was that there is never going to be a definitive edition of anything, it's always being changed and upgraded (for the most part). You have to choose when it makes sense for you to buy it.

Sure there will be, at least as far as a particular media format goes. A release that has all available extras and editions of the movie, in an acceptable PQ/AQ, would be definitive by my definition. Sure, it may be released again in 10 years as a 4k resolution film on a holographic data cube or something, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

The same thing relates to your example of a computer. I paid plenty for my laptop when I bought it, and 5 years later it's still on par for most laptop specs. I got the best available at the time, and that's plenty good for a long while to come.

Sure there will be, at least as far as a particular media format goes. A release that has all available extras and editions of the movie, in an acceptable PQ/AQ, would be definitive by my definition. Sure, it may be released again in 10 years as a 4k resolution film on a holographic data cube or something, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

The same thing relates to your example of a computer. I paid plenty for my laptop when I bought it, and 5 years later it's still on par for most laptop specs. I got the best available at the time, and that's plenty good for a long while to come.

Yes, it does depend on your definition. If you take your laptop example and apply it to your original post though, aren't the currently released HD discs the best available at the time?

Even though they might be missing a few of the SD extras, they still remain the best copy of the whatever film to date. Because, who knows how long it will take for another version to come out, it could be 5 years.

Why so much hate for The Terminator on Blu-Ray??? Considering the original source elements, I think Sony did a nice job cleaning it up and making an HD presentation. The PCM audio is impressive. Terminator 2, on the other hand, could definetely use a re-issue.

This is amusing. Say Pulp Fiction is released with just the movie. It is immaculate 1080p with lossless audio. The transfer is beautiful. But it doesn't have the DVD extras.

Are people seriously going to "boycott" the release. (If Pulp Fiction doesn't work, use you favorite non-released movie.)

Ok, here's the best example I can think of that will be near and dear to everyone's heart. The true test of this boycott:

Will you avoid Lord of the Rings if New Line only gives us the theatrical cut on Blu-ray? Or will you wait till the eventual double dip version that has the extended scenes?

LOTR is probably the biggest release for HD (even up there against Star Wars) on everyone's wish list.

Personally, I waited for the extended editions on DVD and will definitely wait for the extended editions on Blu-ray. Many people will buy both. New Line is banking on that.

My feeling is they should offer both in the same package (with seamless branching). But will they? Or will greed take over and have them release a version that doesn't even include what we have enjoyed on DVD for years?

Again, space shouldn't be an issue for Blu-ray right? If so, they can always included two discs, that's how they did it with the extended DVD's.

You said you wouldn't buy anything but the "definitive" edition in your original post. My point was that there is never going to be a definitive edition of anything, it's always being changed and upgraded (for the most part). You have to choose when it makes sense for you to buy it. There will be newer models of the Toyota Corolla, newer models of the Dell Inspiron laptops, special editions of DVD's, re-releases on HD, ect.

Yeah, but in this case it's like the new laptop coming out with a new LCD, better power consumption, better cpu, a blu-ray drive, BUT they decide NOT to include USB ports, headphone jacks, network port or wireless. Mind you this is years after those features have been release on laptops and become standard even for that brand laptop.

If a special extended edition or directors cut exists, ALL future versions, especially this hot new technology they call HIGH DEF, should include the extended better editions. The only reason not to include it is to take the consumers for as much cash as they can by teasing them.

Ok, here's the best example I can think of that will be near and dear to everyone's heart. The true test of this boycott:

Will you avoid Lord of the Rings if New Line only gives us the theatrical cut on Blu-ray? Or will you wait till the eventual double dip version that has the extended scenes?

LOTR is probably the biggest release for HD (even up there against Star Wars) on everyone's wish list.

Personally, I waited for the extended editions on DVD and will definitely wait for the extended editions on Blu-ray. Many people will buy both. New Line is banking on that.

My feeling is they should offer both in the same package (with seamless branching). But will they? Or will greed take over and have them release a version that doesn't even include what we have enjoyed on DVD for years?

Again, space shouldn't be an issue for Blu-ray right? If so, they can always included two discs, that's how they did it with the extended DVD's.

If New Line doesn't offer precisely what you want and it means so much that you will continue to watch DVD, that's fine. That's the marketplace. But that's a unique case, of course. Most of the movies on this list are missing a few featurettes or a few seconds of gore or swearing, much of which would likely be unnoticable to most viewers.

I admire the passion but, in my view, it is misdirected and completely ineffective.

Unfortunately, "Rocky" Probably won't ever look any better than it already does. All of the original elements were destroyed in a warehouse fire, according to Stallone during an interview.

I'm happy with how ROCKY looks on BD. Once you get past the opening fight scene with spider rico where it looks like they had to push the film stock and heavy grain was the result, most of the film looks very good IMHO. I just wish they had put on the extras that were simultaneously being released on the 2 disc dvd.
Also, what's considered the best HD release of the year by many, Blade runner, is FULL of extras, discs of extras and it's awesome.

I'm happy with how ROCKY looks on BD. Once you get past the opening fight scene with spider rico where it looks like they had to push the film stock and heavy grain was the result, most of the film looks very good IMHO. I just wish they had put on the extras that were simultaneously being released on the 2 disc dvd.
Also, what's considered the best HD release of the year by many, Blade runner, is FULL of extras, discs of extras and it's awesome.

Yeah, if you ask me, Warner has gotten this whole thing right in my book. Sure they have had some mistakes with shipping, discs, etc... but they get the idea that when we buy a high def movie we get A LOT of value for your money.

Another for the list:

Stargate (missing all the special features, average encode, subtitle problems)

Yeah, but in this case it's like the new laptop coming out with a new LCD, better power consumption, better cpu, a blu-ray drive, BUT they decide NOT to include USB ports, headphone jacks, network port or wireless. Mind you this is years after those features have been release on laptops and become standard even for that brand laptop.

If a special extended edition or directors cut exists, ALL future versions, especially this hot new technology they call HIGH DEF, should include the extended better editions. The only reason not to include it is to take the consumers for as much cash as they can by teasing them.

I suppose that's a good point. However, I don't quite view those things to be as important to a HD disc as USB ports, ect are to a computer. I guess to some they are though.

The first Fantastic Four movie has an extended cut on standard DVD which is missing from the BD.

The "Fantastic Four" BD came out before the "extended cut" came out on DVD, so it's not like Fox left out the cut, they just later came out with an extended cut on DVD, and didn't double-dip on BD... yet!

~Alan

Yeah, if you ask me, Warner has gotten this whole thing right in my book. Sure they have had some mistakes with shipping, discs, etc... but they get the idea that when we buy a high def movie we get A LOT of value for your money.

The only thing missing is high def PQ on the movie. . .

I will absolutely boycott Lord of the Rings if the studio doesn't include the Extended Cuts. The special features I can live without, however.

I am sorry but if we boycott so many Blu-ray releases, sales won't justify reissues. Lack of extended cuts or special features isn't an important issue for a lot of people and anybody that is happy with the theatrical cuts and high quality video should purchase any movies they want if we hope to get Blu-ray airborn. So far sales have not reached the levels expected and if it continues, not only will we not see reissues, we won't see much software being released period. Blu-ray is off to a very slow start, I don't think "No Country for Old Men", the Oscar winner for best picture sold much, maybe 100,000 so far? Not buying software won't send the message to the studios to offer more features including alternate versions, it will send the message that consumers aren't going to buy much software. Buy anything you want and do it often and then maybe things will pick up is all I can offer as advice.

Chris

The only thing missing is high def PQ on the movie. . .

oh good God!! :rolleyes:, blade runner and I am legend are just piss poor Upscaled dvd images then??

oh good God!! :rolleyes:, blade runner and I am legend are just piss poor Upscaled dvd images then??

The fact that Warner was able to achieve good results on Blade Runner after apparently Herculean efforts on this project is not a representative example.

I Am Legend is not in the same category.

It's not clear to me why, at this point in history, it is necessary for someone to defend the PQ on Warner's dual format releases. The format war is over.

I already have ID4 and Robocop, and I'm pleased with them. I refuse to buy Die Lite.

Get the Japanese release ;)

don't really care about ID4 since I belive the extended cut is not director approved

Why so much hate for The Terminator on Blu-Ray??? Considering the original source elements, I think Sony did a nice job cleaning it up and making an HD presentation. The PCM audio is impressive. Terminator 2, on the other hand, could definetely use a re-issue.


Agreed, I too think this is about as good as original Terminator is going to going to look. However, Terminator 2 on the other hand could easily have a brand new super delux HD transer a'la Blade Runner, add with a ton of speacial features and you'd deff. have a best seller there. Like it was handled on DVD, I believe this is few years down the road.

pulsation: The hatred for The Terminator BD is because it does not include the original mono audio. It's remixed (not that a majority aren't) but also has some SFX re-recorded.

I am sorry but if we boycott so many Blu-ray releases, sales won't justify reissues. ... So far sales have not reached the levels expected and if it continues, not only will we not see reissues, we won't see much software being released period. Blu-ray is off to a very slow start, I don't think "No Country for Old Men", the Oscar winner for best picture sold much, maybe 100,000 so far? Not buying software won't send the message to the studios to offer more features including alternate versions, it will send the message that consumers aren't going to buy much software. Buy anything you want and do it often and then maybe things will pick up is all I can offer as advice.

Chris

I totally understand your viewpoint. However I disagree.

I don't think sales will ever pick up if they continue to NOT offer good value to us, the early adopters. Here is why. Right now, the average joe is NOT buying a $30 catalog title, of say Robocop. They are buying a DVD version of it at 6.99 in Walmart, IF they are even buying it at all since it's a 20 year old movie.

Now, the really avid early adopter forum posting types, (you and I) are going to buy a movie like that if we really liked it. In fact we probably bought it 2 times already. But if it's $30 and we see that it has less than we got on our last DVD, and we know we've bought it a few times already, then we are probably going to wait.

So, where does this leave the studios? With no sales. It's in their best interest to give these movies the better treatment and give us the good stuff up front.

Now, new releases don't seem to have the same problem since there is no history of previous editions existing to compare to. So why are they not doing well? That's another story. Blu-ray won, so why are sales of HD DVD's outpacing Blu-ray this week? All good questions. I think it comes down to cost, personally.

Finally, you recommend we have to buy this stuff or the future of Blu-ray may not be successful? I really hope we don't have to buy crap in order to support the studios so they give us good stuff later for us to rebuy.

Again, look at how Warner is handling this next generation of high def movies to see how things can be done right. For instance Blade Runner, even older than Robocop, comes out with all the versions and even more special features.

pulsation: The hatred for The Terminator BD is because it does not include the original mono audio. It's remixed (not that a majority aren't) but also has some SFX re-recorded.

I'll give you that... for purists, they should include the original soundtrack. Just the same, I don't think I'll double-dip for that. I'm happy to have this classic in HD!

It's not an issue for me, as I prefer the theatrical cut.

The same applies for Terminator 2; I think the theatrical cut for that film is vastly superior. My issue with the current release of T2 is the PQ. I'd very much like for the studio to create a new master.


On this particular movie I'd have o disagree. The extra scene added makes sense in the end of the movie when the Terminator points to his head and says there's one chip left. That scene to me makes more of an impact due to the fact they showed us how they had reprogrammed him and understood where and what the chips function did?

It's interesting that Fox put a little bit of effort into porting over some of the DVD special features on I, Robot and now the Blu-ray is backordered at Amazon. Maybe they will notice that special features really matter to many potential buyers--particularly on double dips.

pulsation: The hatred for The Terminator BD is because it does not include the original mono audio. It's remixed (not that a majority aren't) but also has some SFX re-recorded.

but those changes are director approved I think
T1 is perfect IMO

Saw should be added to the list also. It only has the theatrical cut.

Also, Saw 3 has the first director's cut but not the second (don't even get me started on the retardation of there being 2)

As a whole, I'd actually have to say that I think Lion's Gate has been one of the worst offenders on BD.

Rocky, id like to see a boxset of all the movies.

First blood, I'm hoping the boxset with all 4 movies improves the 1st film.

Added Predator to the list as it's missing all special features. The funny thing is they have the nerve to use the same box art as the latest packed to the teeth special edition DVD's which included tons of extras.

Fox, we're warning you, your studio has more movies on the list than any other studio.

Fox, we're warning you, your studio has more movies on the list than any other studio.

Better throw Commando on the list too. No director's cut, no special features.

I'll happily join the boycott since the only movie in the list that I own is Terminator 2....and I have the German import Ultimate steelbox edition (HD-DVD):cool: Nothing else on the list really interests me at all....those are all movies I've either seen a bazillion times or own the dvd version already.

Boycotting LFODH and Man on Fire?? Are you kidding me? Those are 2 of the best live actions BDs to come out so far...

also Kingdom of Heaven. yes its the directors cut and over 3hrs long. but not a SINGLE extra feature other than trailer which I dont consider worthy of even mentioning tbh. not even an audio commentary. would it have killed them to include a second 25gb bd and port over all the extras from the 4 Disk DVD version? how much could it possibly have incrreased the price? $2 tops i think. gosh.

another option would have been to use VC-1 or AVC instead of the space hogging MPEG-2. Thus allowing space for some extras. why was this not done can anyone esplain?

All this talk about a boycott is a waste of time.

I don't know what to do about the lack of special features and the lack of extended cuts and the unrated versions. All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, d@mnit! My life has VALUE!'

So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, get up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!'

Then we'll figure out what to do about the special features and the extended cuts and the unrated versions. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!" Then throw your Blu Ray player into the street.

but those changes are director approved I think
T1 is perfect IMO
No, not to my knowledge.

All this talk about a boycott is a waste of time.

I don't know what to do about the lack of special features and the lack of extended cuts and the unrated versions. All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, d@mnit! My life has VALUE!'

So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, get up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!'

Then we'll figure out what to do about the special features and the extended cuts and the unrated versions. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!" Then throw your Blu Ray player into the street.

Best post in a long time :D

Even though the BD releases so far have been missing some extra features and other crap, it´s only a SMALL amount of "HD geeks" that care about it.
Most people, even including me, don´t care and actually buys the discs for the MOVIES!

Extended versions though is more interesting.
But special features?
Most of it is just asskissing and "This we did with greenscreen" Oh REALLY???? I could never have guessed ;)

Wasn't the entire BD crowd telling the HD DVD crowd that extras don't matter? Or is this thread started by a former HD DVD supporter?

Why so much hate for The Terminator on Blu-Ray??? Considering the original source elements, I think Sony did a nice job cleaning it up and making an HD presentation. The PCM audio is impressive. Terminator 2, on the other hand, could definetely use a re-issue.

I say put it back up on the list. Not because of a lack of extras (though compared to any of the DVD special editions it's seriously lacking), but because it lacks the original mono track (as mentioned earlier). As long as that disc contains only that ridiculous overblown 5.1 mess which doesn't sound remotely like "The Terminator", it is unpurchasable IMHO!

I don't hate 5.1 and I'm not some angry purist, but a 5.1 mix should sound something like the original film. The Terminator and Jaws win my all time worst 5.1 remixes awards for feeling no shame in replacing every single carefully-chosen sound effect with loud crap from their digital libraries.

Wasn't the entire BD crowd telling the HD DVD crowd that extras don't matter? Or is this thread started by a former HD DVD supporter?

:D

Wasn't the entire BD crowd telling the HD DVD crowd that extras don't matter? Or is this thread started by a former HD DVD supporter?

There's two parts to that.

Yes, the BD crowd was, in general, saying extras don't matter when comparing their inferior early specs to the finished HD DVD specs. But then there are also HD DVD fans that didn't care for the extras and bought movies like King Kong that did not include the extended scenes or any of the tons of extras that were released on DVD. So it cuts both ways.

Second, I was a former HD DVD supporter. I love the format. I am bummed that Blu-ray won.

However, I have been purple for about a year now and been buying in both formats. I am glad to see the 2.0 spec finally come out and will be happy to see how the profiles get rolled out in the future.

I love many movies that are on Blu-ray and am just as dissapointed when they don't give the extended versions of the film that have already been sold on SD DVD.

I am excited to buy many of the titles on my list, that is why I am so bummed to see them come out half ass. Therefore, I am posting this list to help others in my shoes that want the best content on high def (which now means Blu-ray) but don't want to have to pay twice, when you KNOW there will be a double dip with the extended or special editions.

That's all.

Some people don't care about special features, and that I can understand. Some people don't like extended director's cuts, and that I disagree with, especially if they have already been release on DVD.

Dracula should be on here. Disc never should have even made it to shelves. Pq is atrocious.

1) Die Hard 4 (missing unrated with blood and extended scenes)
2) Independence Day (missing extended cut)
3) Aliens vs Predator (has both regular and extended cut but missing nearly all featurettes)
4) Robocop (poor video quality and missing nearly all special features)
5) Rocky (added from Dave Mack)
6) Man on Fire (added by Cold as Ice)
7) Terminator 2: Judgment Day (added by Cold as Ice)
8) Chronicles of Narnia (no extended) - Disney (xradman)
9) Pearl Harbor (no extended) - Disney (xradman)
10) Ultraviolet (no unrated) - Sony (xradman)
11) Mr. & Mrs. Smith also did not include unrated version - jkcheng122
12) Punisher (no extended, missing special features) - lern2swim
13) Stargate (missing all the special features, average encode, subtitle problems) - HumanMedia
14) Saw (missing directors cut) - lern2swim
15) Predator (missing all bonus features)

Well, I already own AvP and Mr & Mrs Smith, so that is going to be a little hard. However, I agree about Saw, Stargate, and Ultraviolet. Hell, I won't buy Ultraviolet until we get the director's TRUE vision. As for Predator, I own the extras on the DVD's second disc, which I have been sleeving inside my BR copies (like I just did with From Hell that I bought today). As for ID4, I won't buy it until it has dropped in price. $35 for it is way too much no matter how much I loved the movie.

Is Stargate the extended cut?

Early adopters bycotting would be the death knell for the format. Buy now, double dip years from now. I only look at extras in about one in ten and they have to be significant works to matter to me eg 2001 ASO.

Art

Early adopters bycotting would be the death knell for the format. Buy now, double dip years from now. I only look at extras in about one in ten and they have to be significant works to matter to me eg 2001 ASO.

Art

How could early adopters boycotting about a dozen badly done titles, but still buying all of the well done titles, be a death knell for the format?

:confused:

In this case we might have to boycott

1) Batman Begins
2) V for Vendetta

if Warner does a blind port from HD DVD without properly utilizing the capacity of Blu-ray. Both titles looked soft and have an average video bit rate of just 12 Mbps.

Just want to reiterate that Live Free Or Die Hard aka Die Hard 4 needs to have an unrated release. The fact that they didn't include this option on the BD, when they released the unrated version on DVD is a travesty.

To me, it speaks of money grubbing on Fox's part. I bought the 4 disc Die Hard collection on BD, and I have to one day switch out the disc when they finally release the unrated version. Because John McClane has an R-rated mouth.

Censorship sucks.

In this case we might have to boycott

1) Batman Begins
2) V for Vendetta

if Warner does a blind port from HD DVD without properly utilizing the capacity of Blu-ray. Both titles looked soft and have an average video bit rate of just 12 Mbps.

Except isn't the whole point of this thread about bd's that are missing director's cuts or extras that were already on the dvd's? Not about anything having to do with transfers.

And yes, Sharkcohen, the "entire" blu ray crowd was saying that extras didn't matter. I must have said it myself... oh... aleast... 0 times.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't have a problem double dipping. I just have a problem with double dipping for something that has already been released on dvd. It's asinine. We're not talking new content here. I am even fine with the features being ported directly over in the case of extras. What the hell do I care if behind the scenes footage is high def in most cases? I just don't see how it could be seen as anything but incredibly obvious consumer hatred on the part of studios to leave out content that they've already released on less expensive dvd's

One thing I dont understand.

Many DVD releases has 2 disc editions. With the extras on a second disc.

How hard would it be to just add the extra SD DVD disc to the BD.


I bought the 2 disc edition of Blade Runner. With the doc on the second disc that was a ordinary DVD.

It was perfect because I could watch the doc in my bedroom were I didnt had a BD/HD player. I dont really care to watch extras in my hometheater.

One thing I dont understand.

Many DVD releases has 2 disc editions. With the extras on a second disc.

How hard would it be to just add the extra SD DVD disc to the BD.


I bought the 2 disc edition of Blade Runner. With the doc on the second disc that was a ordinary DVD.

It was perfect because I could watch the doc in my bedroom were I didnt had a BD/HD player. I dont really care to watch extras in my hometheater.


It's because the movie studios, especially Fox lately don't give a 2 pound sewer rat's left testicle about you, me or any other consumers.

It's because the movie studios, especially Fox lately don't give a 2 pound sewer rat's left testicle about you, me or any other consumers.

ahh, someone finally figured it out!

same with the cable cos and their hd services, imo.
keep paying for this stuff and not doing anything about substandard product like boycotting and holding up their revenue flow. they'll just keep sticking to ya!

they're happier than pigs in sh+t! taking your hard earned cash!

Dracula should be on here. Disc never should have even made it to shelves. Pq is atrocious.

don't say this on Blu-Ray.com! You will be confronted, insulted, verbally skinned alive, banned and then made fun of after the fact for weeks. Trust me, I know...

Except isn't the whole point of this thread about bd's that are missing director's cuts or extras that were already on the dvd's? Not about anything having to do with transfers.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't have a problem double dipping. I just have a problem with double dipping for something that has already been released on dvd. It's asinine. We're not talking new content here.

Exactly!

I don't want to put titles on the list based on PQ. I will leave the judgement of quality to the Tier threads.

It's all about doing the customer an injustice regarding A) lack of extra footage/director's cut that's already out on DVD or B) lack of extras that are already out on DVD.

So, this thread lets those movie collectors know that these movies are obvious targets for the good ole double dip because they aren't even as fully featured as DVD's currently out.

true. good point.

:)

Here's an idea.

For the rest of the year, DON'T purchase ANY Blu Rays from the two biggest companies Fox and Warner. If they are not selling any Blu Rays they will be inclined to add directors cuts and extras. If they add them other companies will have to follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Fox and Warner customers. It's really simple to do. Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of Blu Ray buyers.

I am sending this post to 30 Blu Ray buyers. If each one of us sends it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) and those 300 send it to at least ten more Blu Ray buyers (300 x 10 = 3000) and so on, by the time this post reaches the sixth group of people, we have reached over THREE MILLION Blu Ray buyers. If those three million get excited and pass this post on to ten friends each, then 30 million people have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it...THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

What are you waiting for? Copy and paste and let's get started.

This can really work.

I'd bet Disney has sold more BDs than Fox.

JohnGZ28,

That's pretty funny. Good stuff.

Although you were joking, I do want to clarify for those reading, Warner is not a big offender on this list. In fact they do their high def releases justice.

But anyway, thanks for the laugh.

Here's an idea.

For the rest of the year, DON'T purchase ANY Blu Rays from the two biggest companies Fox and Warner. If they are not selling any Blu Rays they will be inclined to add directors cuts and extras. If they add them other companies will have to follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Fox and Warner customers. It's really simple to do. Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of Blu Ray buyers.

I am sending this post to 30 Blu Ray buyers. If each one of us sends it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) and those 300 send it to at least ten more Blu Ray buyers (300 x 10 = 3000) and so on, by the time this post reaches the sixth group of people, we have reached over THREE MILLION Blu Ray buyers. If those three million get excited and pass this post on to ten friends each, then 30 million people have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it...THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

What are you waiting for? Copy and paste and let's get started.

This can really work.

If that crap ends up in my inbox in a few weeks I'm coming here and holding you responsible. :D

I'm not gonna boycott a movie for anything other than crappy picture quality. Sound at this point is pretty much a given and I won't bother to play a mono track for a movie so that feature matters none to me. I haven't bought Crash and T2 because alot of people say the picture is just bad on it. And after watching 28 Days Later.... :eek: I'll wait till it's fixed.

Do I want the extras? Yeah. Do I need them? Not really but I love to see extras to movies that I really found interesting. I'll boycott Fox just because they want more $$$ than everyone else.

28 Days Later can never be made look pristine even if we give FOX 28 Years.

Its really easy.

If the price is right I buy the movies without extras.

But a movie without extras will not be as attractive to me, as an movie with extras.


So I vote with my money. (the few that is left...)

Its really easy.

If the price is right I buy the movies without extras.

But a movie without extras will not be as attractive to me, as an movie with extras.


So I vote with my money. (the few that is left...)

That's pretty much how I am.

Add "Commando" as its not the Directors cut that was released on SD a little while back, and its MPEG2, and is missing all of the SD extras.

Also "Black Hawk Down" is the theatrical version only with a small subset of the directors cut extras also.

I've currenly moved onto the BLU and have purchased 22 movies. Out of the 22 movies ONE movie has special features. Superbad !!! That is how I feel, Superbad with the feeling that BLU RAY was supposed to be cutting edge technology. My DVD movies has tons of extra goodies and also my 96 HD DVD's. BLU RAY has won but continue to give us stinkers on the extra side. My last 3 movies purchased were, Transporter, Predator and Planet of the Apes. Guess what, NO SPECIAL FEATURES. I wanna buy Denzel's Man on Fire.
Best Buy Price: $34.99+Tax
Circuit City's Price:$29.99+Tax

AGAIN, Nothing but the movie and movie trailers in the SPECIAL FEATURES menu. Movie Trailers do not count in this. People paying full price in the stores has to be a rip-off. Where is the extra money going to. Somebody please help me with an acceptable answer. Even Doom on HD DVD had tons of EXTRA BEEF.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1010495

You're welcome.

My last 3 movies purchased were, Transporter, Predator and Planet of the Apes. Guess what, NO SPECIAL FEATURES. I wanna buy Denzel's Man on Fire.


Those are all Fox movies. You can figure the rest out. Everyone is with you on the Fox thing.

Remember Superbit DVDs? That's what we should be getting here. For the most part, the studios do a decent job of excellent PQ/AQ, but those blatant examples with neither (features or stellar PQ/AQ), I suppose that's just a stepping stone of the format. I guess that's what you get for early adopting.

It doesn't take a long time to realize that there is still enough space left on the disc to feature extras which the Studios don't seem to do.:(
Many people raved about FOX Blu-rays and how it boast excellent PQ/SQ. I agree with this consensus but if you check out the remaining space left you will know that they could have easily fitted those precious extras.

Remember Superbit DVDs? That's what we should be getting here. For the most part, the studios do a decent job of excellent PQ/AQ, but those blatant examples with neither (features or stellar PQ/AQ), I suppose that's just a stepping stone of the format. I guess that's what you get for early adopting.

How hard is it to even put the special features from the regular DVD into the BLU RAY Disc. There better be extra space. If Disc Space was the reason BLU RAY won the HD battle, they sure aint using it.

punky- out of 22 movies 21 are Fox ?

Sony offers solid special features.
Warner does now.
Lionsgate is pretty good.
Disney will put them on there if available.
New Line is #1.
Fox...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1010495

You're welcome.



Those are all Fox movies. You can figure the rest out. Everyone is with you on the Fox thing.

Purchased Usual Suspects, Gone in 60 Seconds (Special Chase Scenes. WHOOPIE!!) Both Not FOX movies. Title after title and NO extras. List Goes on and on. Realized that No Country For Old Men had Extras so I apologize. 2 out of 22 movies I own has EXTRA BEEF.

Purchased Usual Suspects, Gone in 60 Seconds (Special Chase Scenes. WHOOPIE!!) Both Not FOX movies.


I promise you %50 of those are Fox titles.:p
Look closer. Look for the black stripe.

Spidey 3 came with a whole other disc filled with HD extras.

The others you listed are c list titles that don't have a lot of extras filmed. They don't want their mediocrity caught on camera.

If you want extras go buy the following: I,Robot, Pan's Labyrinth, 2001, Clockwork Orange, 310 to Yuma, 30 Days of Night, Blade Runner, Live Free, Dogma, Gattaca... You knowm more respectable films. Do you really want extras for 50 First Dates? Sorry if I sound rude.

50 First Dates, Total Recall, Tears of the Sun, Reign of Fire, Spider-Man 3 (Came with PS3), Pearl Harbor, Stargate, Closer to name a few. NOT Fox

I promise you %50 of those are Fox titles.:p
Look closer. Look for the black stripe.

Spidey 3 came with a whole other disc filled with HD extras.

The others you listed are c list titles that don't have a lot of extras filmed. They don't want their mediocrity caught on camera.

If you want extras go buy the following: I,Robot, Pan's Labyrinth, 2001, Clockwork Orange, 310 to Yuma, 30 Days of Night, Blade Runner, Live Free, Dogma, Gattaca... You knowm more respectable films. Do you really want extras for 50 First Dates? Sorry if I sound rude.

Sorry to change the subject but 3:10 to YUMA, Dogma, I ROBOT? Respectable films? My good movies were purchased on HD DVD... Blade Runner, Pan's, 2001 and Clackwork are in my HD DVD collection. HAHA but atleast give me the music video of the Hawaii'n guy singin Somewhere over the rainbow. Awesome song

Sorry to change the subject but 3:10 to YUMA, Dogma, I ROBOT? Respectable films?

That's why I changed it to 'more respectable'. As in more respectable than 50 First Dates or Tears of the Sun.
Either way the 3 I listed are solid films.

I,Robot is something of a freak title. Because it's from Fox and it has more than 2.5hrs of extras.

That's why I changed it to 'more respectable'. As in more respectable than 50 First Dates or Tears of the Sun.

I,Robot is something of a freak title. Because it's from Fox and it has more than 2.5hrs of extras.

Gotcha, I did put in Closer, Superbad, and No Country in the collection. Give me a break IRobot fan.

I'm a big Sandler fan and Barrymore is Eye Candy especially on HD

Gotcha, I did put in Closer, Superbad, and No Country in the collection. Give me a break IRobot fan.

I like all 3 of those too. It's all good. It's just that smaller "less significant" films usually have fewer extras. It sometimes depends on the director too.

But I promise you your beef about the 'EXTRA beef' is mostly a Fox issue.

I guess I was just a little spoiled coming from HD DVD camp making a transition into the BLU camp. All the picture in picture and the downloadable content. I GUESS so. You guys are catching me on the rebound, to all the BLU GUYS, I apologize. HEEHEE.

Some have very short memories and have seemingly forgotten how many double, triple, and even quadruple releases that happened with DVD, LD, and even VHS. Did you really think it would be any different with Blu-ray? The studios have always had a continuous profit stream by re-selling the same movie over and over again.

Not sure about all of your viewing schedules, but I'm so behind on the movies themselves, let alone catching up on the special features... and it's only going to get worse from here. Suit yourselves, if a movie has a good transfer, decent PQ/AQ, and it's a movie I like... I'll buy it, regardless of features included.

Mooobody knows where the extra beef is but i hope they add it soon.

If they can start doing multiple releases like they do for DVD's then cool. Let say they would charge 15-20(Preferably 15) for a super bit HD version and well I really don't care what they would charge for the "beefed up version"

Top tier audio and video is what I want and probably others as well.

For me extras jumped the shark with the Lord of the Ring Films. The new enticements of on line adverts and making menus have avatar's is just gimmicky. I have both formats with final spec. machines and I have yet to log on to use any of the special features. I tried sitting through picture in picture and it annoyed me and it may be that I never enjoyed that feature on any of the TV's I've owned.

I smell a troll...

First of all, this has been discussed to death. Second of all, it's a limited problem, and one that's prevalent on HD DVD as well. Third of all, he feels the need to use personal attacks when caught out ("I Robot fan"? Not only is it a lame "insult", but a lot of folks actually like it when they realize it's not really based on Asimov). And finally, he laughs about it a couple posts back.

To me, it looks like he picked some titles from HDD's review section and posted the complaints, even though he's wrong on several. SM3, NCFOM, Reign of Fire (and really, if you own this you have no right attacking someone over I, Robot), and Closer all have most or all of the supplements of the DVD. In some cases, the DVD didn't have many extras, either.

I suppose there was a reason why you purchased these to begin with and it wasn't extras. Be more selective or don't purchase if this is an issue for you.

50 First Dates, Total Recall, Tears of the Sun, Reign of Fire, Spider-Man 3 (Came with PS3), Pearl Harbor, Stargate, Closer to name a few. NOT Fox

50 First Dates, Total Recall and Stargate were released in the summer of 2006. MPEG-2 on a BD25 left little space for extras.

Reign of Fire and Closer have all the bonus materials of the respective DVDs (it's not BD's fault that they suck).

I suppose there was a reason why you purchased these to begin with and it wasn't extras. Be more selective or don't purchase if this is an issue for you.

+1

Seriously, with a movie like 50 First Dates what extras did you want? The 51st date and beyond? Gone in 60 Seconds? The extra where Cage's hairline recedes even further?? Your BEEF as noted should be with the studios, not the format (blu-ray).

I smell a troll...

First of all, this has been discussed to death. Second of all, it's a limited problem, and one that's prevalent on HD DVD as well. Third of all, he feels the need to use personal attacks when caught out ("I Robot fan"? Not only is it a lame "insult", but a lot of folks actually like it when they realize it's not really based on Asimov). And finally, he laughs about it a couple posts back.

To me, it looks like he picked some titles from HDD's review section and posted the complaints, even though he's wrong on several. SM3, NCFOM, Reign of Fire (and really, if you own this you have no right attacking someone over I, Robot), and Closer all have most or all of the supplements of the DVD. In some cases, the DVD didn't have many extras, either.

+1

Remember Superbit DVDs? That's what we should be getting here.
No thank you.
Your BEEF as noted should be with the studios, not the format (blu-ray)
Agreed.

Hold the Beef!!! I'm on a Diet..

I would actually be willing to pay a premium for a lean BD without any extra crap on it.

John

Not sure about all of your viewing schedules, but I'm so behind on the movies themselves, let alone catching up on the special features... and it's only going to get worse from here. Suit yourselves, if a movie has a good transfer, decent PQ/AQ, and it's a movie I like... I'll buy it, regardless of features included.

+1
I'm with you. I don't have time for special features. I barely have time to watch the movie. Glad HD media wasn't around when I was single and child-less. I'd've been a huge couch potato! Maybe when the children move out (in 18 years) I'll come back and watch the EXTRA beef.

I smell a troll...

^^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I smell a troll...



That's the beef cooking.

The trolls are due in 2010 when Del Toro finishes making The Hobbit.

I've currenly moved onto the BLU and have purchased 22 movies. Out of the 22 movies ONE movie has special features.Just curious but could you list the 22 movies you have bought on Blu-ray? After all out of the ones you claim to own you have been wrong about at least 5 of them.


I smell a troll...

First of all, this has been discussed to death. Second of all, it's a limited problem, and one that's prevalent on HD DVD as well. Third of all, he feels the need to use personal attacks when caught out ("I Robot fan"? Not only is it a lame "insult", but a lot of folks actually like it when they realize it's not really based on Asimov). And finally, he laughs about it a couple posts back.

To me, it looks like he picked some titles from HDD's review section and posted the complaints, even though he's wrong on several. SM3, NCFOM, Reign of Fire (and really, if you own this you have no right attacking someone over I, Robot), and Closer all have most or all of the supplements of the DVD. In some cases, the DVD didn't have many extras, either.+3

I smell a troll...

First of all, this has been discussed to death. Second of all, it's a limited problem, and one that's prevalent on HD DVD as well. Third of all, he feels the need to use personal attacks when caught out ("I Robot fan"? Not only is it a lame "insult", but a lot of folks actually like it when they realize it's not really based on Asimov). And finally, he laughs about it a couple posts back.

To me, it looks like he picked some titles from HDD's review section and posted the complaints, even though he's wrong on several. SM3, NCFOM, Reign of Fire (and really, if you own this you have no right attacking someone over I, Robot), and Closer all have most or all of the supplements of the DVD. In some cases, the DVD didn't have many extras, either.
+1

First of all you guys are waiting for a conspiracy theory, Well you aint gettin one. If you guys read more into my conversation with SHADOWRAGE, he poked fun for the movies I chose. I then poked fun of one of his choosing. End of Discussion, Nothing but friendly banter amongst two people at that time. I did state that yes I was a HD DVD owner and was merely stating that certain movies I purchased didn't have EXTRA beef for their asking price. Members like you guys looking for a so called troll need to get a life because you guys are tooooooo sensative.

I suppose there was a reason why you purchased these to begin with and it wasn't extras. Be more selective or don't purchase if this is an issue for you.

I am very selective and know that many dont have extras. If nobody bitches about these things, the studios will just put out mediocre releases, but also just wanted to state the fact that with all the space, where is the technological difference that made it so much more better? Is it wrong to want a little more from a movie like MAN on FIRE (With NO EXTRAS) when its retail price at BEST BUY is $34.99. If you think that that price is justified, that's you but not me.

I am very selective and know that many dont have extras.

You are either over exaggerating or you don't know what you are talking about. I have over 35 Blu-rays and every single one of them have at least some special features.

That is how I feel, Superbad with the feeling that BLU RAY was supposed to be cutting edge technology. My DVD movies has tons of extra goodies and also my 96 HD DVD's. BLU RAY has won but continue to give us stinkers on the extra side.
...
Even Doom on HD DVD had tons of EXTRA BEEF.If Disc Space was the reason BLU RAY won the HD battle, they sure aint using it.I guess I was just a little spoiled coming from HD DVD camp making a transition into the BLU camp. All the picture in picture and the downloadable content.but also just wanted to state the fact that with all the space, where is the technological difference that made it so much more better?Members like you guys looking for a so called troll need to get a life because you guys are tooooooo sensative. This coming from the poster who was wrong about 5 of the 22 Blu-ray titles they claim to own and is clearly trying to make this into a format war argument.

You are either over exaggerating or you don't know what you are talking about. I have over 35 Blu-rays and every single one of them have at least some special features.

Dude, Read a little. As stated by Shadowrage yesterday and I said OK. Most of the movies I specified were from FOX unknowingly and many people had the same problem with them for that. As I stated movies like Stargate, Usual Suspects, Closer, Bram Stroker's Dracula, Black Hawk Down, Behind Enemy Lines, Hoosiers and Tears of the Sun had VERY LITTLE to NO EXTRAS. EXTRA BEEF PLEASE if people are paying up to $34.99 for some of these titles.

I smell a troll...

Third of all, he feels the need to use personal attacks when caught out ("I Robot fan"? Not only is it a lame "insult", but a lot of folks actually like it when they realize it's not really based on Asimov). And finally, he laughs about it a couple posts back.


If you read more into my conversation with SHADOWRAGE, he poked fun for the movies I chose. I then poked fun of one of his choosing. End of Discussion, Nothing but friendly banter amongst two people at that time. I did state that yes I was a HD DVD owner and was merely stating that certain movies I purchased didn't have EXTRA beef for their asking price. Second I could care less about who it's based from and even if Akira Kurosawa have filmed it this way, I would still say that movie could have been way better than this CGI story covering BS. Those are the same Mutants that were in I AM LEGEND. Except they had no batteries in Legend.
Wow are you for real?, He laughed while he said this, what is this kindergarden?

This coming from the poster who was wrong about 5 of the 22 Blu-ray titles they claim to own and is clearly trying to make this into a format war argument.

I did say I was on HD DVD but this is not what this is about. I wanted to buy Man of War recently at BEST BUY but saw that it was marked at $34.99 and had no extra features. looking at some other titles, like many other titles that I stated with SHADOWRAGE, many other people had this problem. I didn't realize that Many people were even thinking of a FOX BOYCOTT. I wanted more out of these titles for the retail price their asking. Unkowingly most of the titles I was bitching about were from FOX.

actually bram stoker's dracula has many special features

actually bram stoker's dracula has many special features

Thank you for your input, I stand corrected. My bad

no prob...

:)

no prob...

:)

Out of the subject, is that you singin in the link you gave?

yes, i put out an album last year.

:)

yes, i put out an album last year.

:)

Pretty cool sound, very 80's. Not meant in a bad way.

I'm http://itoondaddy.com and it is under construction, needs alot of work. Congrats in the website. Very professional

very cool too and thanks! Let us know when you're site is fully up.

I care as much about extras as I do about whether or not they stuff a pickle into my cheeseburger. If it's there, fine. But I really wouldn't notice one way or another.

Most people don't buy movies for extras. They buy movies for movies.

You pay more because it's from FOX, and it's on blu-ray. Whether the extras are included have no bearing on price.

If you don't like the possibility of a double-dip in the near future, here's an idea, don't buy the movie.

Your little mini-rant won't change how FOX conducts business. Nothing you say will ever affect anything of significance.

I hear ya man, if a title doesn't have at least the extras that are on the DVD I just skip the Blu-ray. There are quite a few movies I would have loved to buy on BD like Man On Fire, Devils Rejects, Terminator 2 just to name a few. But screw it if they are going to be lazy they don't get my money.

The Fox rant has been going ongoing since I can remember on this forum. And nothing will change as mentioned any time soon regardless!

It all goes back to knowing what one is buying and getting a better price after they decide they do indeed want it. Who in the heck pays $34.99 for BDs? There were a slew of Fox titles available just a week ago or so at Target for $19.99. No extras included isn't going to stop most people from buying if it is a movie they like and the quality suffices.

Ok, so I broke down and failed the boycott on Die Hard today. Hey, I am only human!

:)

It was too good of a deal at $14.95 at Fry's (I actually got it at Best Buy with price match). I did not get Independence Day, Robocop or any other title on this list for all the same reasons, but hey, I never said I was perfect!

Ok, I added Narnia today. This one has me a bit conflicted. I have read about the extended editions 7 extra minutes and almost all reviewers claim it adds nothing to the movie. In fact, it is mostly comprised of "extending" scenes a few extra seconds here and there. Nothing significant to the plot and is of itself, a gratuitous exploit by Disney to get people to double dip.

I will probably settle for the Blu-ray myself since it has all of the special features of the 2 disc special edition DVD.

Special thanks to contributors of AVSpec thread.

Legend: Title : Free Space

Cast Away : 2.5 GB (All of the documentary materials from the two-disc DVD edition are absent, making this one skinny Blu-ray release)

Predator : 3.7 GB (zero extras)
Commando : 2 GB (zero extras)
Ronin: 1.3 GB (zero extras)
Kingdom of Heaven: 5.6 GB (zero extras)
Robocop: 2.7 GB (zero extras)

ID4: 6.3 GB (Theatrical cut and missing the film extras)
Live Free or Die Hard : 4.2 GB (Theatrical cut)

Day After Tomorrow : 12.3 GB (The studio has ported over some of the extras that appeared on the previous two-disc standard-def DVD special edition, but much is gone)
I,Robot: 8.1 GB (Instead of packing in all 4 hours of featurettes that appeared on the 2005 2-disc Collector's Edition DVD, Fox has trimmed down the runtime and even left an entire documentary on the cutting room floor. Approximately 240 minutes of bonus material has been reduced to 150 minutes -- instead of issuing a 2-disc BD set, Fox has elected to discard an hour and a half of behind-the-scenes information. Unbelievable.)

Fantastic Four: 4.5 GB (Theatrical cut - 'Fantastic Four' hit standard-def DVD flush with extras, but perhaps due to Fox using a BD-25 and MPEG-2 compression on this Blu-ray release, hardly any of those goodies have been carried over.)

Speed: 1.1 GB (BD25)

Mr and Mrs Smith: 16.1 GB (No unrated cut, no major film extras)

Master and Commander: ?? (No extras ported from Collector's Edition)

Man on Fire: ??? ('Man on Fire' was first released on DVD in 2004 and included two exceptional commentaries. A Collector's Edition DVD was released in 2005 and featured a feature length documentary, featurettes, deleted scenes, and more. So how many of these features have been ported to the Blu-ray edition of the film? Zero)

Ice Age: 7 GB (BD25 - missing a huge collection of extras that appeared on the original 2002 DVD and the 2006 Super Cool Edition DVD)

Butch Cassidy: ??? (Originally released in a lavish, two-disc standard DVD edition back in 2000, 'Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid' comes to Blu-ray with about half of those same extras intact)

BD25 - 33 - 53.23 %
BD50 - 29 - 46.77 %

Warner

1) Generous in extras
2) Generous in DNR and filtering
3) Notorious in bit starving
4) Reasonable in pricing

FOX

1) Usually generous in bit rates
2) Usually stays away from DNR
3) Notorious in offering extras
4) Obnoxious in pricing.

People who call themselves movie buffs should

1) Develop the habit of expecting and watching extras (the interesting ones) for the price they pay.
2) Keep checking on the free space left on the so-called HIGH BIT RATE Blu-ray transfers.

Ok, I added Narnia today. This one has me a bit conflicted. I have read about the extended editions 7 extra minutes and almost all reviewers claim it adds nothing to the movie. In fact, it is mostly comprised of "extending" scenes a few extra seconds here and there. Nothing significant to the plot and is of itself, a gratuitous exploit by Disney to get people to double dip.

I will probably settle for the Blu-ray myself since it has all of the special features of the 2 disc special edition DVD.

I'm always suspicious of extended editions. Often they are just throwing in extra footage to get people to buy the title again. Unless it actually says "director's cut," it probably isn't one.

FOX

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4) Obnoxious in pricing.



That's the main reason the only time I have purchased FOX titles it has been on BOGO or highly discounted sales. The thing that is most surprising is that for a studio that touts BD extra capabilities is the fact they haven't even lived up to what the DVD counterparts have.

But in the end I am only concerned about the feature presentation. I have been special featured to death on DVD. Unless it is a very high profile classic or film that changed industry I don't find much interesting in DVD special features. Most of it is just fluff about how great it was making the movie and adds very little insight.

I still have not finished the extras on RotK:EE. After a while a lot of it just felt like it was the same information over and over.

Q freakin Q buddy. In no way am I going to "boycott" a movie because it's missing 7 minutes of the "extended cut" or missing completely useless "extras". Cry me a freakin river.

What I don't understand is people that question extras. I think this thread has proven that space isn't the reason they are being left out. Your not going to get a better movie with no extras. Its about charging more but supplying less. At most removing features but including increased picture quality should be a wash, but they are charging 50+% more for what should be a wash.

Keep in mind every movie is somebodies favorite. What really makes one movie more deserving of extra features than another?

I still have not finished the extras on RotK:EE. After a while a lot of it just felt like it was the same information over and over.

I agree with you. I have never watched the extras on any of the LotR: EE volumes. I don't feel my movie experience was diminished.

Keep in mind every movie is somebodies favorite. What really makes one movie more deserving of extra features than another?

Valid point, but bear in mind for some of us without ANY version of the film, we're content in buying the "bare bones" feature. For instance, I don't have Master and Commander on DVD. I'm not going to boycott the studio and wait for another year or two for an "extra" approved version. I'll double dip if I feel the extras are worth it.

What I don't understand is people that question extras. I think this thread has proven that space isn't the reason they are being left out. Your not going to get a better movie with no extras. Its about charging more but supplying less. At most removing features but including increased picture quality should be a wash, but they are charging 50+% more for what should be a wash.

Keep in mind every movie is somebodies favorite. What really makes one movie more deserving of extra features than another?

The missing extras and the high prices are the main reason I typically avoid FOX titles. Again I don't mind paying $15 to $20 for a HD copy with lossless audio, but once the $20 barrier hits I expect more.