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Lift Off 7 03-29-08, 03:14 PM was looking at these 2 sub cables and couldn't decide which one to get.
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-PureAV-AV20500-25-25-Foot-Subwoofer/dp/B0001XGQTA******pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1206817683&sr=8-1
this monster cable has "THX-Certified"
$20
vs
Belkin PureAV
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-PureAV-AV20500-25-25-Foot-Subwoofer/dp/B0001XGQTA******pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1206817683&sr=8-1
$10
Either one will be fine. You really don't need to spend much on a sub cable. The Belkin is a decent price for a 25'.
Lift Off 7 03-29-08, 04:50 PM will they sound the same? is the belkin "THX-Certified" like the monster?
CADOBHuK 03-29-08, 05:34 PM Everything monster makes is OVERPRICED-Certified. Although the one for $20 is not too bad.
Pinstripe 03-29-08, 05:37 PM $4.48
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023601&p_id=620&seq=1&format=2
Enjoy! :D
sivadselim 03-29-08, 05:47 PM will they sound the same? is the belkin "THX-Certified" like the monster?Yes, they will sound the same. THX-certification, for the most part, is meaningless. Even if interconnects were picky (and they're not), since it is only simple bass info that is being passed, the subwoofer connection would be the least picky of them all.
Lift Off 7 03-29-08, 05:49 PM can i use any of the 3 single cable from my composite cable as subwoofer cable? they look the same.
Lift Off 7 03-29-08, 05:53 PM Yes, they will sound the same. THX-certification, for the most part, is meaningless. Even if interconnects were picky (and they're not), since it is only simple bass info that is being passed, the subwoofer connection would be the least picky of them all.
so you're saying this $10 belkin will sound the same as $100+ sub cables? little hard to believe, but please enlighten the newbie.
grubavs 03-29-08, 06:40 PM can i use any of the 3 single cable from my composite cable as subwoofer cable? they look the same.
yes
It's the nature of the signal the cable will carry. It is not high frequency like video, so no worry about propagation delay, no bleed out through the dielectric, no problem with capacitance or inductance or impedance. It just carries a low frequency, low voltage signal that needs to be shielded from other electromagnetic sources. Any cable with decent shielding will work fine. I use a regular component interconnect cable. I have used some more expensive cables, but you wouldn't now it buy listening.
sivadselim 03-29-08, 07:32 PM so you're saying this $10 belkin will sound the same as $100+ sub cables? little hard to believe, but please enlighten the newbie.Yes. Why is that hard to believe? As I said, even if cables did matter for certain connections, the subwoofer connection wouldn't be one of them. The low frequency information that a sub cable carries is very simple for almost any cable to pass.
As far as using a cable from a composite cable threesome, although there may not be a difference, use the yellow-ended video cable if possible, as, if there is a difference, it probably provides the better shielding (although it probably doesn't matter). If you meant to say component cable, then any of them will do.
Lift Off 7 03-31-08, 03:36 AM I didnt know that anyone of the composite cable will work on a sub, i though they are different like hdmi, component, and dvi etc..
okay, so price isn't a concern for sub cables, what about length? the belkin is 25feet long, should i go for something shorter?
zoney99 03-31-08, 05:27 AM Get the shortest cable that will work for you.
Not all cable is the same. Some is prettier than others. I personally like
good looking cable and, in certain applications, am willing to spend more
for it just because I like the way it looks. It's my expendable income, after all!
BUT, as far as "sound" goes, I don't believe it makes any bit of difference at all.
Tim Glover 03-31-08, 09:54 AM You can also use RG-6 cable....I did a setup awhile back that was about 30 feet. Ran RG-6 and got RCA connectors. Whoila! Done...sounded great. No issues at all & cost about $10 total.
penngray 03-31-08, 10:08 AM so you're saying this $10 belkin will sound the same as $100+ sub cables? little hard to believe, but please enlighten the newbie.
Welcome to the real world of science :D
I love saving my friends $100 on HDMI cables, $50 on component video cables, $50 on sub cables, digital audio cables and so on.
RG-6 will do component video, composite video, analog audio, digital audio, sub woofer connections and so on. Its really cheap, you just need to put ends on it. RG59 is a little better since its less rigid and nicer to run.
Its a great world we live in where people think they have to buy $400 worth of cables when they really only need to spend $40.
Dont get people started on speaker wire :D
penngray 03-31-08, 10:09 AM Not all cable is the same. Some is prettier than others.
very true and some last longer because it is built better (better/stronger ends). flexibility sometimes matters too. Different costs will reflect these choices too.
In the end SQ doesnt change though (like you said)
thanks for this folks. I saved a bunch of money for my sub cable
Lift Off 7 03-31-08, 03:03 PM It seems like the vast majority of cables dont require anything more than $20 to be optimize at it's fullest. that is quite amusing...hey, lets' fork out $9k on a 70'' lcd tv and spending as little as $10 on a hdmi, component or dvi cable, and $8 on a $3k sub and a roll of $50 speaker wires on a $10k 5.1 speakers setup.
you pay premium for it and yet dont get the benefits. has this been 100% scientifically proven?
ImagePree 03-31-08, 03:12 PM As far as using a cable from a composite cable threesome, although there may not be a difference, use the yellow-ended video cable if possible, as, if there is a difference, it probably provides the better shielding (although it probably doesn't matter). If you meant to say component cable, then any of them will do.
I'm actually using the yellow video of the composite threesome for my sub -- works perfectly fine.
You can also use RG-6 cable....I did a setup awhile back that was about 30 feet. Ran RG-6 and got RCA connectors. Whoila! Done...sounded great. No issues at all & cost about $10 total.
Yup. I just had an electrician over on Friday who used RG-6 with RCS connectors and it is perfect.
To the OP, go to Home Deport and get yourself some connectors and an 8-foot RG-6 cable and walk out smiling for about $10.
D_Strasse 03-31-08, 04:08 PM It seems like the vast majority of cables dont require anything more than $20 to be optimize at it's fullest. that is quite amusing...hey, lets' fork out $9k on a 70'' lcd tv and spending as little as $10 on a hdmi, component or dvi cable, and $8 on a $3k sub and a roll of $50 speaker wires on a $10k 5.1 speakers setup.
you pay premium for it and yet dont get the benefits. has this been 100% scientifically proven?
This isn't the same thing as buying budget tires for your Ferrari, though that appears to be the analogy you are building.
sivadselim 03-31-08, 04:12 PM Yup. I just had an electrician over on Friday who used RG-6 with RCS connectors and it is perfect.
To the OP, go to Home Deport and get yourself some connectors and an 8-foot RG-6 cable and walk out smiling for about $10.Hell, RG-59 will probably work fine and will most likely give you a more flexible cable.
Of course, finished cables are available for ~$10, too.
I ran a 50 foot Monoprice sub/RCA cable in-wall and have a 10 foot out of wall......60 foot total. Working great and cost about $15 for both cables.
Lift Off 7 04-01-08, 03:49 AM what RG cables are you guy referring to? pic?
Lift Off 7 04-01-08, 03:52 AM I ran a 50 foot Monoprice sub/RCA cable in-wall and have a 10 foot out of wall......60 foot total. Working great and cost about $15 for both cables.
you sure that long isn't degrading anything? you probably dont even know it.
sivadselim 04-01-08, 09:57 AM you sure that long isn't degrading anything? you probably dont even know it.
60ft. is fine
corwiniii 04-01-08, 10:03 AM what RG cables are you guy referring to? pic?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RG-6
Coaxial cable - what you use for cable TV. I have a 50ft run in-wall to wall plates at the AVR & sub. Works like a charm. Based on what I've read and the opinions of others I trust, there is no degradation of quality, and if so, not to any significant amount to me.
sivadselim 04-01-08, 01:29 PM RG59 will work, too, Lift Off, and is usually more flexible. But, as has been pointed out, you can get a finished cable for less than $10. The RG6/RG59 plus the F-to-RCA adapters will probably cost more than that.
25ft. for $6.14 (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023601&p_id=621&seq=1&format=2)
Someone else linked you to 12' of the same cable earlier in this thread for less than $5.
gwhzz35 04-08-08, 12:40 AM If you have 2 subs....do both cables need to be the same length or it doesn't matter? I keep getting mixed answers to this.
sivadselim 04-08-08, 01:05 AM If you have 2 subs....do both cables need to be the same length or it doesn't matter? I keep getting mixed answers to this.Of course they don't have to be the same length. How fast do you think electricity travels?
Who said otherwise?
lol. That's just too funny. Although Einstein did have some theories...
It seems like the vast majority of cables dont require anything more than $20 to be optimize at it's fullest. that is quite amusing...hey, lets' fork out $9k on a 70'' lcd tv and spending as little as $10 on a hdmi, component or dvi cable, and $8 on a $3k sub and a roll of $50 speaker wires on a $10k 5.1 speakers setup.
you pay premium for it and yet dont get the benefits. has this been 100% scientifically proven?
Why don't you try this experiment: Buy high end cables and some cheap cables. Have someone switch the cables and you listen. I am willing to bet you that you can't pick out the better cable 80% of the time. This will be very easy to do for a subwoofer and it would not cost much to perform. I will be happy to take this bet and I am sure many others on here will want in also.
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