Any clue how this will work? I mean I know that it will be 800 MS points to dl the new maps, which I have every intention of doing, but does that mean that I will only be paired with others who have paid for the maps as well?

Any clue how this will work? I mean I know that it will be 800 MS points to dl the new maps, which I have every intention of doing, but does that mean that I will only be paired with others who have paid for the maps as well?

More than likely...When BF2, and this was a few years ago, was big and new maps were added you were able to filter out servers that did not host games with the newer maps..

With COD4 I imagine it will be a similar situation. The players with the newer maps will be paired with others with those maps as well.

Players that don't buy them just wont get into any playlists that include the new maps.

^^ What he said. Although Im not sure if it will check to make sure everyone has the same playlist before pairing them up.

Moreso, I think it'll play out like this. Let's say you're not the actual host of a room but you've been matched into a room and everyones playing "Strike". Once the match is over, the host playlist cycles to the new "Chinatown" map. At that point, I think whoever doesnt have that map will get a "The server is no longer available message". Or maybe even a "You must update your playlist to join this server".

I would think thats less trouble than having to join everyone based on a playlist, but thats probably how its done anyway.

Any idea when they are coming out?

april 3rd

The new maps look great, I can hardly wait!
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32409.html

two more days!

How many is there?

I've heard they were delayed to the 10th. No idea if it's some stupid April Fools or not. Didn't see this on any of the big sites.

http://n4g.com/xbox360/News-129741.aspx

How many is there?

There am be 4, but one is tiny and the word is that it shall be Free-For-All only.

i cant wait for hq on broadcast. the friggin hq spawns right in the middle of that newsroom! wow thats gunna be fun.

There am be 4

huh?:confused:

I think he meant there are 4

I am almost positive that Infinity Ward will make a separate game/match type for people with the new maps(possibly just those maps till they are free or a mix of the old/new). Unless they are stupid, they will not have it within the regular gametypes.

Think if only two people were in the regular team deathmatch game lobby that could play the new maps and everyone else couldn't. If the game starts do they just play 1 on 1? Does the game wait for more players, if so what if those players don't have the new maps? Does the lobby close completely?

Easiest and most effective way is to make a separate lobby for people who have the new maps until the maps are free.

I have seen a few articles suggesting that the maps have been pushed back to april 10. Unfortunately all of the links are blocked from work.

I just checked for them on live and nothing is there

Why would they be? It's not April 3rd yet.

I have seen a few articles suggesting that the maps have been pushed back to april 10. Unfortunately all of the links are blocked from work.

I used the Google on the Internet Machine (:p) and I found what you're talking about.

The sources of those articles range from suspect to straight up sketchy.

Until Infinity Ward confirms or denies it themselves, I would say the April 3rd date is still on.

the COD game of the year official site:

http://gameoftheyear.callofduty.com/

I still hope it's a joke, but it doesn't look like it.

the COD game of the year official site:

http://gameoftheyear.callofduty.com/

I still hope it's a joke, but it doesn't look like it.

I cant get to it, but if it says April 10th then I think I speak for everyone when I say --

WTF???

I know one week is no big deal in the grand scheme of things, but its the whole "so close yet so far" aspect of it.

Also, I wonder why? It seemed they were good to go.... ah well.. So much for typing COD4 map release date into Google :(

In that link, it clearly says the map pack is the 10th.

Let's hope this is the case. http://planetcallofduty.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=149713


Make sure to read the "Update".

Let's hope this is the case. http://planetcallofduty.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=149713


Make sure to read the "Update".

Can you paste what it says? Its blocked from work.

Can you paste what it says? Its blocked from work.

Infinity Ward and Activision have just announced that the DLC maps promised for Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare will be delayed indefinitely. Sources close to us have said that the Infinity Ward servers have been hacked and the map files were leaked on torrent websites. We can only speculate, but we imagine that hackers will take advantage of this and work around the built-in security measures. As soon as we receive an official statement on this situation, we'll be sure to let all of you know as well.

Update: Incase some of you haven't figured it out yet, this was indeed an April Fools joke.

There hasn't been any comment on a possible delay by fourzerotwo, so I wouldn't worry about a delay unless he came out and announced it...

I find it hard to believe they would April Fools something like that. It's money we're talking about and they aren't gonna do something that might delay them getting their $10.

I think he meant there are 4

But you said "how many is there"!

the COD game of the year official site:

http://gameoftheyear.callofduty.com/

I still hope it's a joke, but it doesn't look like it.

This doesnt seem like a joke to me

**shakes fist in the air, storms off**

guys, calm down. lol. it will be available tomorrow. that forzerotwo guy from infinityward confirmed it like 2 days ago. majornelson confirmed it in a podcast yesterday, and it says "available tomorrow" on the xbox live dash board. this was simply a lame April fools joke.

guys, calm down. lol. it will be available tomorrow. that forzerotwo guy from infinityward confirmed it like 2 days ago. majornelson confirmed it in a podcast yesterday, and it says "available tomorrow" on the xbox live dash board. this was simply a lame April fools joke.

Yes, I would give you a hug if I saw you in person. Sorry.... not a hug... a "man-lock":D

I wouldnt freak out if it wasnt available (regardless of my previous WTF shennanigans), I was more wondering why it wouldnt be when all indications pointed to yes.

A lame April Fools joke indeed...

9:15 EST and no maps. I dont think it was an april fools joke.

New maps will be out tonight or Friday morning as per the fourzerotwo blog. http://iamfourzerotwo.com/

Also new montage out of the new maps. Creek is looking quite good. http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32456.html

Cant wait, I dont have to work tomorrow ; )

I just watched the montage and agree Creek looks awesome. Im excited about Chinatown too.........

I'm off tomorow too. :)

Yes, I would give you a hug if I saw you in person. Sorry.... not a hug... a "man-lock":D


oh, you mean the slap handshake manbrace

Could IW have picked a worse time to update their 'forum' with the anticipation/rumor of the new maps coming out?

Could IW have picked a worse time to update their 'forum' with the anticipation/rumor of the new maps coming out?

Heh, my guess was their forums was either hacked or crashed cuz a million people went to it after their April 1st, announcement of April 10th release date over at gameoftheyear.callofduty.com

Oh well. I'm always up all night, so I'll get the new maps tonight and kicking ass.

Heh, my guess was their forums was either hacked or crashed cuz a million people went to it after their April 1st, announcement of April 10th release date over at gameoftheyear.callofduty.com

Oh well. I'm always up all night, so I'll get the new maps tonight and kicking ass.

i doubt they'll be out tonight, even into the wee hours of the morning, sounds more like late thurs/early fri morning.


haha, i thought today was wednesday, oops.

Sorry if this was covered elsewhere. Where on Xbox live will I download the new maps? Will I go to Game Store, Games Library?

A little help will be appreciated!

S.

Just go to the Marketplace blade>New Arrivals>Game Content>COD4>map pack.

The site says the 4th, not the 3rd, and specifically the evening of the 4th to redeem keycodes through the site, so you might not want to stay up tonight looking for them.

Yes, that map should be in the game store when it's out.

I just checked and there was an update to COD4, there is a new option on the COD4 live menu DOWNLOADMAP (NEW). when I select it, it brings up a download blade but no maps yet. The more information option doesn't have anything yet either...... a big teaser .....

i cant wait to get home

I just checked and there was an update to COD4, there is a new option on the COD4 live menu DOWNLOADMAP (NEW). when I select it, it brings up a download blade but no maps yet. The more information option doesn't have anything yet either...... a big teaser .....

same, not up, Ill have a few hours to play soon so I hope it does.

Maps are now available - mine are downloading as I type...

If this thing goes up during "peak gaming hours" tonight (around 6pm-1am across all time zones), I will be surprised if:

A) Map downloads crawl to a standstill
B) COD4 servers see a repeat of the after christmas debacle of 2007-early 2008

It would be nice to play these tonight but I feel difficulty on the horizon.

EDIT: FORGET MY POST ABOVE .... GOTTA LEAVE WORK NOW!

444 megs - took about 5 mins to dl

Variety Pack Team Deathmatch
Variety Pack Team Objective

No HARDCORE!

http://alexroyce.com/

This is the dude we were playing with. He said HC variety was coming, but he didn't know when exactly. The one thing he did say was "unless they already updated the playlist" so maybe it's coming sooner than later?

He's a level designer so I guess it's not that surprising that he doesn't know the playlist angle.

I noticed I was getting 20 for every kill :)

I noticed I was getting 20 for every kill :)

How much in MS Points did it cost you?

800

and yes they're doing double xp at the moment.

new maps not available on HC??!!!!

why would I want double xp? I'll feel like I'm cheating myself

DAMMIT

Im at work.. :0(

Damn, I checked before I left for work. I even left an hour late.

Double XP is for this weekend only.
www.iamfourzerotwo.com mentioned it.

Also, I'm sure IW will mix up the playlists later on.
They've changed the playlists around before.
Just give it some time so more and more people will have it, then they'll redo the playlists

For those lucky bastards who are playing the new maps...Are they mixing up the maps between the original and the new ones or are you playing on the new ones only?

444 megs - took about 5 mins to dl

How I wish I could download stuff that quickly. I think after 10 minutes I'm at 3 or 4 percent.

Damn campus network.

For those lucky bastards who are playing the new maps...Are they mixing up the maps between the original and the new ones or are you playing on the new ones only?

You have to choose the Variety Pack playlist to play the new maps. So it's only those maps that are in the playlist.

Only these two at the moment:

Variety Pack Team Deathmatch
Variety Pack Team Objective

Double XP is for this weekend only.
www.iamfourzerotwo.com mentioned it.

Also, I'm sure IW will mix up the playlists later on.
They've changed the playlists around before.
Just give it some time so more and more people will have it, then they'll redo the playlists

Are the double points only on the newer maps or are they on all maps? I just recently picked up this game on the 360 so I could really use the extra XP

Had a chance to play two games, the newsroom ("Broadcast"?) and Creek before heading into work (late).

I like them! I'm not sure if I like Broadcast yet. It's much much bigger than I thought it would be. Tons of doorways, hallways, stairs, and a fair amount of outside area.

I know I'm going to like Creek a lot. Just a big outdoors area. The one game I played ended up with us vs them shooting across the deep creek bed. There are houses to hide around in too (think "Overgrown").

So far so good. Can't wait to get home...

Cary

played yesterday until my bum bum hurt and my eyes were ready to bleed. No maps. Had to come to work today too, so I gotta wait to play but I'll be on all night long just like that Lionel Richie song

Played a few games before going to work as well (late, too!). Creek seems big, but you can run to the bomb sites on fairly fast on S and D. Broadcast was a lot bigger than I thought as well. Chinatown is very intricate, it will take a while to learn the ins and outs. Didn't play Killhouse.

Biggest bummer: no hardcore! lame, hopefully they add this as more people get the map pack.

that really sucks no hardcore

Considering that for people that buy the Game of the Year edition for $60 are getting these for free, and we all paid $60 back in November, I'm not buying these. It's just crappy to do that to the people that MADE IT THE GAME OF THE YEAR. Let's reward the new buyers, and get more money out of our existing base. Messed Up Logic.

Considering that for people that buy the Game of the Year edition for $60 are getting these for free, and we all paid $60 back in November, I'm not buying these. It's just crappy to do that to the people that MADE IT THE GAME OF THE YEAR. Let's reward the new buyers, and get more money out of our existing base. Messed Up Logic.

I understand your statements however Microsoft are the ones that charge for the map pack, NOT Infinity Ward. I will download the maps to check out and play with friends as I would rather enjoy them than stand on principle.

Are the double points only on the newer maps or are they on all maps? I just recently picked up this game on the 360 so I could really use the extra XP

I'm going to have to guess the double XP is only on the new maps. I know I was getting the normal amount of points for kills, assist, etc. this morning playing the old maps.

So are the "objectives" or whatever they're called included on the double XP?

Considering that for people that buy the Game of the Year edition for $60 are getting these for free, and we all paid $60 back in November, I'm not buying these. It's just crappy to do that to the people that MADE IT THE GAME OF THE YEAR. Let's reward the new buyers, and get more money out of our existing base. Messed Up Logic.

Very true. I will still buy them to get more COD4 in my veins.

Considering that for people that buy the Game of the Year edition for $60 are getting these for free, and we all paid $60 back in November, I'm not buying these. It's just crappy to do that to the people that MADE IT THE GAME OF THE YEAR. Let's reward the new buyers, and get more money out of our existing base. Messed Up Logic.

You paid $60 in November for the privilege of PLAYING IT IN NOVEMBER. Jeez.

Anyway, I tried these maps. Well, 3 of them, Killhouse doesn't seem to be on the rotation. Broadcast is probably my favorite, Chinatown is a little like District but more vertical, and Creek is very sniper friendly. All 3 are good maps overall, though not head and shoulders better than the pack in maps.

I think they forgot to add the map killhouse to this pack. lol. i have played every new map multiple times but killhouse. i searched for a match on the map killhouse for about a half hour and simply could not find it.

i like creek and broadcast but chinatown is a sh*t map IMO. its pretty much made for campers.

Anyway, I tried these maps. Well, 3 of them, Killhouse doesn't seem to be on the rotation.

yea, what the hell is going on. i payed $10 for 4 maps not 3.

Snuck home at lunch and played a few rounds. No Killhouse either. Maybe because I stuck to the Team Deathmatch playlist?

I was anxious to try Chinatown and ended up trying it for two rounds. Hmmm, tons of spots to hide in. A poor run&gun guy like me can't get very far :) I think it'll get better once I learn the map.

Cary

You paid $60 in November for the privilege of PLAYING IT IN NOVEMBER. Jeez.

Anyway, I tried these maps. Well, 3 of them, Killhouse doesn't seem to be on the rotation.
i HIGHLY doubt that Killhouse is going to be in the TDM and FFA rotation, it's basically the new Shipment, you're basically locked inside a small training hanger similar to the one in the FNG time trial. the same way Shipment isn't in the TDM and FFA rotation because it's too small, i don't see why Killhouse would be either...

I will be downloading these tonight, but I have to echo what others are saying. I'm not sure why I should have to pay when people who are buying the game today get them for free. Also, I'm quite surprised it took them 5 months to make 4 maps. I'll buy them anyway just cause I want them, but I'm not really happy about 1) cost and 2) how long it took.

There ok nothing to change my life but not horrible. Creek seems rather annyoing with sniping but I dont know the map that well yet.

Creek is my favorite (I'm not a sniper)
Chinatown is terrible.
Broadcast is okay.

I'd agree with Derekin. Nothing too exciting.

i just wonder if one of these maps is the one from the contest, where you could design one and send it in, or is that one going to be in the next map pack?

and i agree about paying for 4 maps and only being able to play 3 maps, the 4th one should have been bigger and compatible with all game types, considering Shipment is not popular and usually skipped unless people want to mess around...

and from what i understand, none of them are in the Hardcore rotation, which really sucks for the people that paid for them thinking they were going to be in the rotations for every game type, which of course they should. maybe they will fix that soon...

I want my 800 points back.

These are horrible.....HORRIBLE. Chinatown is ridiculous, the worst of the lot, Broadcast is average at best, Creek is nothing but a snipe fest, and the other map can't be played through TDM. Way too much camping, way too much sniping, way too many shotgun/P90 ass clowns jumping and shooting, jumping and shooting, camping all the corners. I hate to say it but the game might have jumped the shark with these maps.

I can't believe this was the best they could do after what....6 months?

They totally abandoned the desert style maps, my personal favorite, for this stuff? What a letdown.

I played it a bit today not one killzone map..

The others i feel are fun, although Chinatown seemed very familiar to me. So i do some searching online and I find out that Its just a remake of an older CoD map.

From Robert Bowling, at Infinity Ward's iamfourzerotwo.com: "What’s so great about Chinatown? Well among being a beautiful map set in the downtown district of Chinatown under the lighting of a full moon and decorative laterns in the rain soaked streets of the city…. it’s a classic Call of Duty remake of Carentan! One of the most popular and most demanded maps from the previous Infinity Ward Call of Duty games is back with a complete visual over haul and design elements."

Not sure if anyone knew that.

I knew Chinatown was a remake of Carentan, and I've yet to download them yet since marketplace is down, but I'm surprised you guys don't like it. Carentan was my favorite from COD2.

You folks complaining are amazing. Whats wrong, did you get raped on these maps so they suck?

I truly think these maps are terrific (I had some great games and bad games on them thus far). I thought Creek and Broadcast were a total blast. I went 33-8 on Creek using the M16 and ended up with over 1000 EXP because of the double point thing and my bonus.

Broadcast has so many intricate details and places you can go its ridiculous. In my opinion these maps are terrific. A lot of fun!

Holy crap, Live marketplace has been killed. It's about 4:45pm on Friday and I just got home and trying to download these maps. I JUST got the download started, but it took literally 15 tries. I kept getting blank screen in the marketplace, or Xbox Live errors (and no, there's nothing wrong with my connection/router etc). I guess a lot of people are trying to get these maps all at once ; )

i am going to have a field day tonight... double xp rankings... its going to be a blood bath... get to the headquarters

You folks complaining are amazing. Whats wrong, did you get raped on these maps so they suck?

I truly think these maps are terrific (I had some great games and bad games on them thus far). I thought Creek and Broadcast were a total blast. I went 33-8 on Creek using the M16 and ended up with over 1000 EXP because of the double point thing and my bonus.

Broadcast has so many intricate details and places you can go its ridiculous. In my opinion these maps are terrific. A lot of fun!

Did I miss the memo that said you had to like the maps? I was under the impression we were allowed to form our own opinions and express them. So you like them, you had a blast, thats great, I'm happy for you, but after 2+ hours of gameplay, I am underwhelmed.

Sorry if that opinion pisses all over your ability to enjoy the maps.

when you guys mean double xp, do you mean that kills are counting as double too? i wouldn't think they would, but i remember someone saying TDM kills were changed to 20xp points each, which is kinda lame and will make the games go way too quick unless they also raised the limit to 1500xp...

when you guys mean double xp, do you mean that kills are counting as double too? i wouldn't think they would, but i remember someone saying TDM kills were changed to 20xp points each, which is kinda lame and will make the games go way too quick unless they also raised the limit to 1500xp...I would imagine that each kill is 10pt for team total, but count as 20pt for your personal score. it's kinda like how assists don't count towards team total, or the 10pt you get for putting Radar up

Holy crap, Live marketplace has been killed. It's about 4:45pm on Friday and I just got home and trying to download these maps. I JUST got the download started, but it took literally 15 tries. I kept getting blank screen in the marketplace, or Xbox Live errors (and no, there's nothing wrong with my connection/router etc). I guess a lot of people are trying to get these maps all at once ; )

Same here!:eek:

i may be alone here but if i could get my 10 bucks back i would. these maps just don't have the same feel and playability as the other maps.

to top it off, its really only 3 maps. been playing all day in both team death match and objective and have not played the map killhouse yet.

You folks complaining are amazing. Whats wrong, did you get raped on these maps so they suck?

I truly think these maps are terrific (I had some great games and bad games on them thus far). I thought Creek and Broadcast were a total blast. I went 33-8 on Creek using the M16 and ended up with over 1000 EXP because of the double point thing and my bonus.

Broadcast has so many intricate details and places you can go its ridiculous. In my opinion these maps are terrific. A lot of fun!
i have actually done pretty well. had the most kills in many of the games i have played today. i agree with you on broadcast, good map.

BUT, china town is absolutely a terrible map. like has been said before, camping and spawns in that map are just bad.

creek is in between. not a bad map but not in my top 5 maps either.

i wish i could talk about killhouse, but i havent been able to find a match in that map!!

Holy crap, Live marketplace has been killed. It's about 4:45pm on Friday and I just got home and trying to download these maps. I JUST got the download started, but it took literally 15 tries. I kept getting blank screen in the marketplace, or Xbox Live errors (and no, there's nothing wrong with my connection/router etc). I guess a lot of people are trying to get these maps all at once ; )

Yeah, well, I started downloading the maps at 10 am and I come back from class at 3:30 to find out the maps did not download one bit, even though when I left the completion bar indicated they were at 3%.

Now I keep getting error messages from Live and can't even load Marketplace tabs.

The website still doesn't let you enter the code that comes with the new printing of the game (GoYE)

Did I miss the memo that said you had to like the maps? I was under the impression we were allowed to form our own opinions and express them. So you like them, you had a blast, thats great, I'm happy for you, but after 2+ hours of gameplay, I am underwhelmed.

Sorry if that opinion pisses all over your ability to enjoy the maps.


Never said you had to like them, Im just pointing out how its the same thing every time a new set of maps come out for (insert game). I dont know if people expect them to be so great they change the way they feel about the game or what, but its always complaints.

For the sake of these forums it would be nice to at least see people offer a few reasons why they think the maps blow.

The graphics are noticeably sharper on these new maps, they support a million different ways to play (snipe, run and gun, etc), and to me both Creek and Broadcast have eliminated a lot of grenade chucking and helicopter kills which offers a nice change of pace. Yes, people are camping in Creek, but most of the games Ive played with campers, the team camping has lost soundly.

The sniping on creek is annyoing beyond belief. You people defending it only use snipers. I cant sit there and just hope someone walks by.

The sniping on creek is annyoing beyond belief. You people defending it only use snipers. I cant sit there and just hope someone walks by.

How are you approaching the snipers? Are you walking right out in the open or taking the edge of the creek and tunnel below? I guess Ive just had better luck using M16 against the snipers, if Im not sniping.

Anyone having issues with Live and getting these maps?

I just signed on and it prompted me for a XBL update after I accepted it said can't retrieve info, status code 8015000a. The "game content" blade in marketplace is blank for me....anyone else getting this?

Anyone having issues with Live and getting these maps?

I just signed on and it prompted me for a XBL update after I accepted it said can't retrieve info, status code 8015000a. The "game content" blade in marketplace is blank for me....anyone else getting this?

getting the same thing. If you go to xbox.com they have a message on the support page saying there are marketplace problems, sorry for the inconvenience, etc.

getting the same thing. If you go to xbox.com they have a message on the support page saying there are marketplace problems, sorry for the inconvenience, etc.

Keep trying it will go through. I kept retrying it went through.

Yup I got that code too - looks like everybody is tryin to get the maps tonight I'm so pissed - I had the day off and I probably could have done it during the day with no problem, I just forgot that the maps came out today

that really sucks no hardcore

It's there now.

Still can't redeem codes on the gameoftheyear website, how late do they consider "evening" :|

Keep trying. It took me twenty minutes to update, purchase points and download.

It won't connect to get the new maps, download the update, or add points. Otherwise it's great :confused:

nothing's working here. can't even add points.

It won't connect to get the new maps, download the update, or add points. Otherwise it's great :confused:

Same here! Maybe I'll try to download very late or in the morning.

Great, I got the code and entered it, when it went to download the map it immediately returned that Status code: 8015000a error. They better not have cost me the token for the maps, f*ckers.

i had to restart xbox then load back into live twice to get the update to work. Now im trying to add some points and its not working. probably too many people trying it right now

Token no longer works, emailed Activision, I am F*CKING PISSED

I had trouble adding points from the market place also, so I got on the computer and went to xbox.com and got them loaded that way...now if I could just download the damn maps!

i finally download the maps after 6 hours trying
now it wont let me download the update for the game WTF:confused::mad:

I've been playing fine but Marketplace is f'd in the a. My buddy could only download half of the maps.

finally after more than 2 hours I'm at 80% XBL is trying to handle a bandwith HOG.

I can't download the maps either, get an error message every time. To make matters worse every time I hit the download button it takes like five minutes just to tell me there's an error! This is ridiculous.

Keep trying I got them earlier tonight.

I was going to call Xbox support again (didn't get through last night) but decided to try my code again - it worked! Maps downloading right now.

Wow, I figured it'd be tough with everybody downloadiing, and it was, but were we told the maps would only work on some of the game options for a few weeks. I figured it would be available for all the multiplayer options right off the bat, but obviously I was incorrect.

I had the same problems you guys did last night and I was surly to say the least. Wound up playing some one player games until about 9:15 when they seemed to get everything worked out. I like the new maps, pretty fun

I guess im the minority. I love all of the new maps.
(The three I played in matchmaking)

Headquarters on Creek is really fun. And No, im not a sniper.

wow, the maps are gorgeous, but I HATE them. They're way too busy for how large they are, they all have a "twitch" feel and can't do any of the move/shoot strategies that work even on the smaller old maps. Great, double experience, but that does me no good when I get 1/5th the number of kills.

wow, the maps are gorgeous, but I HATE them. They're way too busy for how large they are, they all have a "twitch" feel and can't do any of the move/shoot strategies that work even on the smaller old maps. Great, double experience, but that does me no good when I get 1/5th the number of kills.

Well, they're all definitely longer range maps. I dunno, it must be about how you are used to playing, because last night I probably had 10 of my best games ever on the new maps. Can't really explain it, I was going 30+ and under 10 deaths on creek almost constantly using M16.

Regardless of liking them or not, does anyone else think these things look graphically awesome!!?? I swear Creek looks so sweet in HD glory, and even Chinatown, when you start in the area of grass, looks very sharp.

I agree, the new maps look gorgeous!

The Creek is not a run & gun map, and the snipers are getting easier to target, so I think its a pretty balanced map. Broadcast is very "Rainbow Six" type map and its a nice change of pace. What can you say about Chinatown, its an old classic, though I did look for porn in the DVD shop!

Can't really explain it, I was going 30+ and under 10 deaths on creek almost constantly using M16.

EVERYONE does better with the M16.

EVERYONE does better with the M16.

Yeah! The M16 has auto-aim and heat seeking bullets, EVERYONE should try it!

It might as well, lol.

Saying you're kicking ass with the M16 doesn't make you good, it makes you like the other 1637373638998 M16 users with RDS and Stopping Power.

It might as well, lol.

Saying you're kicking ass with the M16 doesn't make you good, it makes you like the other 1637373638998 M16 users with RDS and Stopping Power.

That's why I play hardcore. Strength of the weapon is irrelevant.

Well then your kicking the other 1637373638997 m-16 users asses so that's got to count for something!

Yeah! The M16 has auto-aim and heat seeking bullets, EVERYONE should try it!

Dangit. I'm just not have a high enough level.

What level is that perk?


:)

That's why I play hardcore. Strength of the weapon is irrelevant.

Yep, it makes guns like the Scorpian-G3 fun to use and double tap is a perfect perk for hardcore.

Finally got the new maps downloaded last night and so far I like them. Creek is a sniping fest but there's so many place to go I don't mind. I think the tv station is my favorite though; I get lost in Chinatown in all those buildings.

EVERYONE does better with the M16.

hahahahaha you sound like a newbie man. You must get destroyed online.

I agree, come play hardcore with your M16, then see if it holds up. I roll with M16+ACOG for long range, M4+red dot for medium, and MP5+silencer+extreme conditioning for quick strikes.

I agree, come play hardcore with your M16, then see if it holds up. I roll with M16+ACOG for long range, M4+red dot for medium, and MP5+silencer+extreme conditioning for quick strikes.

Yeah, great set-ups, I use that some, too, but lately, I've been hooked on the G3 with red dot. Hardcore is definitely where its at.

when does it come out for ps3?

Yeah, great set-ups, I use that some, too, but lately, I've been hooked on the G3 with red dot. Hardcore is definitely where its at.
the silenced G3 is one of the best guns for Hardcore. and yes, the Skorpion is also great for Hardcore, because of it's accuracy...

hahahahaha you sound like a newbie man. You must get destroyed online.

Yeah, 1.42 k/d (and going up) Prestige 1 Lv. 53 (meaning I have more than enough games, though it took me forever to go Prestige, since I didn't really want to). Mostly NON M-16 or sniper weapons. Yeah, I get OWNED. :rolleyes:

I'm not the best, but I don't EVER get owned.

Skorpion and the G3 are lovely. I need to get into more Hardcore. Perhaps I'll start using that M4 since it's almost worthless in regular TD.

EVERYONE does better with the M16.

I do far better with the G36C with red dot scope then i do with the M16.

We've got tons of threads talking about the weapons, which ones are nooby, etc....anyone got any new opinions on the maps?

After yet more extensive time with Creek, Broadcast, and Chinatown.....I still like Broadcast a lot and Creek is fun too, but Chinatown has had some really fun/intense battles. Each time it seems different, but the most fun is when the fight makes its way in the streets instead of building camping.

You can only do so well with the M16. At close range or from the hip, you'll get rolled by pretty much any other gun. The M4 is the only way to go (this coming from a guy with a 1.97 KD).

You can only do so well with the M16. At close range or from the hip, you'll get rolled by pretty much any other gun. The M4 is the only way to go (this coming from a guy with a 1.97 KD).

M4 scope with steady aim is awesome. Good at close or long range

I enjoy the 3 maps (Killhouse doesn't count since I only play hardcore TDM/S&D). Have had plenty of fun learning new strategies on them. Creek if my favorite though. It can be challenging if good peeps are playing against you.

Creek sucked for the fact that it is toooooo big a map...

I liked Chinatown but Broadcast is by far my favorite....

I wish there was a level like Creek in the single player campaign, but I've gone back to playing only the old maps on multiplayer.

I playes the new maps this weekend and it gets old playing the same 3 maps over and over. Then people veto crek or chinatown and you pretty much are limited to broadcast. I think they are all good maps but creek is annoying with the sniping. I will be happy when they are all in the domination rotation with the old maps.

Creek is the best when a fight breaks out.

I playes the new maps this weekend and it gets old playing the same 3 maps over and over. Then people veto crek or chinatown and you pretty much are limited to broadcast. I think they are all good maps but creek is annoying with the sniping. I will be happy when they are all in the domination rotation with the old maps.

Im definitely getting annoyed with people vetoing already, its 3 dang maps, and they are new, why veto so quickly.

Love the new maps. Played my first ever hardcore match on Creek, and it was fun. No HUD is a little weird. It does get a little old rotating amongst the same three maps (never seen Killhouse come up - had to play that in a private game), so I can't wait for the playlists to merge, but so far, it's a big thumbs up from me for the new maps.

I played a round of (regular) Headquarters on Creek and was OWNING with an M14. It was awesome.

Im definitely getting annoyed with people vetoing already, its 3 dang maps, and they are new, why veto so quickly.

No kidding. Its amazing how limited some people "comfort zones" are when it comes to new stuff.

I, and many others, enjoy the challenge of something new. So who cares if you get completely torn apart while learning the ins and outs of the new maps? Until you learn your own strategies, I thought that was the point.

First time I played Creek (on Friday night) i went 30-5, which is the best I've done on any map in a long time (I strictly play HC, before the new maps). Atleast 8 of those kills were with a hand gun. I was stunned that I was able to do this, with the fact that A) first time ever playing the map B) it wasn't HC like I'm use to.

ofcouse, for the entire rest of the night I was destroyed by window campers on Chinatown, and roof campers on Creek. On Creek, if you start on the low side, making it through the cave, or across the creek is damn near impossibel with all the roof campers. I'd be alot easier if your teamates would help rush the side, but everyone just lays back on the hill and tries to snipe, leaving you to try and do everything yourself!

I'd say that Broadcast is the most "fair" map of the 3, making it the funnest map to play

campers in the creek cave are driving me "batty"! You know the nook I speak of in that cave...grenades everytime I go in there now

Creek= most unbalanced map to date.

First time I played Creek (on Friday night) i went 30-5, which is the best I've done on any map in a long time (I strictly play HC, before the new maps). Atleast 8 of those kills were with a hand gun. I was stunned that I was able to do this, with the fact that A) first time ever playing the map B) it wasn't HC like I'm use to.

ofcouse, for the entire rest of the night I was destroyed by window campers on Chinatown, and roof campers on Creek. On Creek, if you start on the low side, making it through the cave, or across the creek is damn near impossibel with all the roof campers. I'd be alot easier if your teamates would help rush the side, but everyone just lays back on the hill and tries to snipe, leaving you to try and do everything yourself!

I'd say that Broadcast is the most "fair" map of the 3, making it the funnest map to play


Its crazy how fast things change. I agree about roof campers on Creek, but if you have a good team they can be taken out pretty easily. The having a good team is the tough part though. I still do like Broadcast a lot, but Ive noticed more and more that, in TDM at least, it will turn into a battle of the main lobby and/or the rooftop versus the folks sitting outside in the buildings. While people were still learning the maps at least, it didnt seem to be so predictable.

Last time I played Creek I did extremely well, after doing extremely poorly a time before that.

Either my team was better, or the other team was worse, or both, but overall Creek like every other map is pretty balanced. It would have been better with two tunnels instead of one, maybe, but it's a good map. I'd give the map pack overall a 7 out of 10, not bad for $10 but I am ready to go back to regular TDM because of the greater map variety. Playing the same 3 maps over and over gets old.

Regardless of liking them or not, does anyone else think these things look graphically awesome!!?? I swear Creek looks so sweet in HD glory, and even Chinatown, when you start in the area of grass, looks very sharp.

I think Chinatown is an extremely ugly map, very flat looking, muddy textures, some very assy sections. Broadcast looks good for the most part but a few rooms look terrible (the green room, server room). Creek looks great, though. Overall, very uneven graphical work from IW on this map pack, which is disappointing considering that it looks like Chinatown has the most new art.

Like many of you, I got tired of playing the same 3 maps all weekend, but I kept at it simply because of the double experience points. ;) I'm only on my third prestige, so I'm not that far along.


Anyway, the new maps were quite a bit of fun, and I'm very happy with them for the most part.


I think Broadcast might just be one of the best maps in the game. I really enjoy all the diversity it offers. A little bit of everything to be found there.

Chinatown is also very cool, and the battles can get pretty intense. Also very complex ways to move around if you know the layout really well.

Creek is a cool map for sure, but it clearly seems to favor snipers, and I couldn't help but feel that the lower side needs a second cave on the side near the waterfall to at least give the opposing side a little more to worry about. With the one and only cave, it's obviously easy to just camp that entrance all day. Also, if you set up good snipers they can take out most people sneaking by on the waterfall side.

So yeah, Creek has some balancing issues, and I really am surprised they didn't offer some kind of second cave on that other side. Even with that said, I had some very nice games on this map without doing any sniping. I've literally spent a total of 10 minutes with a sniper rifle in this game. Just not my thing. But clearly a map that you need a longer range weapon on like the M16.

At first I really didn't care for Creek, but after a while got used to it. I've found that screen size on Creek is a huge help - the bigger the screen the easier it is to see someone trying to snipe from across the map.

I've also created a bit of a "Creek class", which is basically outfitted with a smoke grenade. I just toss the nade when I need to cross, or, if you're playing Dom, on one of the points.

For a while, it seemed that there was a very basic Headquarters loop on Creek that seemed problematic, but thankfully it looks like it's random. Did anyone else notice a standard loop on that map?

-JR

Where is the Killzone map? I'm somewhat new to COD but how do I get to that map?

Where is the Killzone map? I'm somewhat new to COD but how do I get to that map?

You will only see this map in the 1 vs 1 playlist called "cage match". You might also see it in another one of the very small playlists.


The other way to play it is in private matches with friends.

You will only see this map in the 1 vs 1 playlist called "cage match". You might also see it in another one of the very small playlists.


The other way to play it is in private matches with friends.

this pisses me off. they advertised 4 maps. i payed for 4 maps. i assumed that meant 4 maps that were playable in team death match. seems to me they could have made that clear before the release of the maps.

Yeah, I really wanted to play TD on Killhouse, but alas, disappointment.

I REALLY don't like Creek. I'm very anti-sniper so yeah, no surprise. Broadcast by far is the best of the new maps. Chinatown is too confusing for it's own good.

I don't know..creek is nice but its really like on a 6v6, 5 enemy guys on the ridge sniping..which makes it kinda annoying.

this pisses me off. they advertised 4 maps. i payed for 4 maps. i assumed that meant 4 maps that were playable in team death match. seems to me they could have made that clear before the release of the maps.

Actually you are wrong. We all assumed that you would be able to play Killhouse in TD. They first advertised 3 maps. On Gamertrailers TV they said that Killhouse would be a "bonus" map. Technically, we didn't pay for Killhouse. It sucks that the majority of people won't ever get to play that map. I still have never played shipment. It will be the same situation.

shipment is awesome in HQ... but who cares.... GET TO THE HEADQUARTERS!!!!

I don't know..creek is nice but its really like on a 6v6, 5 enemy guys on the ridge sniping..which makes it kinda annoying.

+1

Camper haven. Creek just brings out the very worst out of FPS games. Campers, snipers, and camping snipers, lol. You're at a severe disadvantage unless you have a sniper or anything long range (i.e. M16).

+1

Camper haven. Creek just brings out the very worst out of FPS games. Campers, snipers, and camping snipers, lol. You're at a severe disadvantage unless you have a sniper or anything long range (i.e. M16).

Yeah I spent an entire round sitting and watching 11 others sit on both sides, most of them in the house or on the ridge sniping one another....

I tried to cross the creek a number of times using Smoke Grenades and every time I could only get so far before being killed by another sniper.

While its nice to have a few new maps, I think they could have done better.

+1

Camper haven. Creek just brings out the very worst out of FPS games. Campers, snipers, and camping snipers, lol. You're at a severe disadvantage unless you have a sniper or anything long range (i.e. M16).

Very true. These maps are alrigt. 4/10

Creek is my favorite (I'm not a sniper)
Chinatown is terrible.
Broadcast is okay.

I'd agree with Derekin. Nothing too exciting.

My sentiments exactly. More variety is good, but I don't think it was worth the price of admission. Oh well. :)

this pisses me off. they advertised 4 maps. i payed for 4 maps. i assumed that meant 4 maps that were playable in team death match. seems to me they could have made that clear before the release of the maps.
You should try playing some objective games. You rack up a lot more XP. And it's a heck of a lot of fun. HQ on Shipment is brilliant, and I'm normally a much more "tactical" kind of player. (In fact, my first game on Shipment was one of those "what the heck just happened" moments.) I only played TD my first time thru, but after I prestiged I started playing objective mode games and I've gotten XP at about 4x the rate I did the first time thru.

While I haven't seen Killhouse in a ranked game yet, I did play a private free-for-all match on there, and it was a lot of fun. We had 6 people, and it was a challenge to stay alive long enough to get air support. With 12, it probably would have been nearly impossible unless you are the Tiger Woods of CoD4. Those of you who have played Shipment know what I'm talking about.

While I haven't seen Killhouse in a ranked game yet, I did play a private free-for-all match on there, and it was a lot of fun. We had 6 people, and it was a challenge to stay alive long enough to get air support. With 12, it probably would have been nearly impossible unless you are the Tiger Woods of CoD4. Those of you who have played Shipment know what I'm talking about.

Foosinho,

Were there more than two spawn points (per side) on Killhouse with more than 2 players? I played this with a friend of mine (1v1) and quickly found that there were only two points we spawn at on either side.

We switched to LMG with Stopping Power and Deep Impact and realized that, on a 1v1, if you get in the tower, you can simply go on straight streak by firing at each spawn point in order as you kill your opponent.

We were stunned that the developers and play-testers wouldn't note this, and assumed that there are more than two spawn points. We haven't tried it with more than 1v1, so I'm wondering if you noticed anything about the spawns.

-JR

after playing the new maps for a day, i personally think that Creek has taken the "most one-sided map in the game" title away from Bog and Downpour. when you spawn at the bottom of the map, you don't stand a chance against even a halfway decent sniping team. also, it's a complete bore-fest of a map, i have yet to see a TDM game on Creek actually end because the the score limit was reached. when it comes up in the rotation, i vote to skip it like i do every other map i can't stand...

Broadcast was good, definitely the best out of the new maps, but Chinatown isn't that bad either. they're definitely not as one sided as Creek though, at least not from the games i played on them...

You should try playing some objective games. You rack up a lot more XP. And it's a heck of a lot of fun. HQ on Shipment is brilliant, and I'm normally a much more "tactical" kind of player. (In fact, my first game on Shipment was one of those "what the heck just happened" moments.) I only played TD my first time thru, but after I prestiged I started playing objective mode games and I've gotten XP at about 4x the rate I did the first time thru.

While I haven't seen Killhouse in a ranked game yet, I did play a private free-for-all match on there, and it was a lot of fun. We had 6 people, and it was a challenge to stay alive long enough to get air support. With 12, it probably would have been nearly impossible unless you are the Tiger Woods of CoD4. Those of you who have played Shipment know what I'm talking about.

I always seem to get on the losing side of the objective oriented games and then my xp rate is pretty pathetic. I seem to do better with mercenary TDM games. Steady xp overall. And I can trust my K/D ratio better than when I'm picking off lemmings headed for the the HQ. YMMV. I can see objective being better when playing as a real team.

after playing the new maps for a day, i personally think that Creek has taken the "most one-sided map in the game" title away from Bog and Downpour. when you spawn at the bottom of the map, you don't stand a chance against even a halfway decent sniping team. also, it's a complete bore-fest of a map, i have yet to see a TDM game on Creek actually end because the the score limit was reached. when it comes up in the rotation, i vote to skip it like i do every other map i can't stand...

Broadcast was good, definitely the best out of the new maps, but Chinatown isn't that bad either. they're definitely not as one sided as Creek though, at least not from the games i played on them...

I still think bog is a worse sniping map. I can see how you are disadvantaged starting at the bottom of the hill. Another tunnel would have helped. But a smoke grenade at the bottom or the first tunnel and judicious use of flashbangs can usually buy you enough time to rush up the hill to flank the snipers... overall I like how it's a bit of a break from the norm and you do have to use cover to live. It's a map that rewards teamwork.

You should try playing some objective games. You rack up a lot more XP. And it's a heck of a lot of fun.

I Absolutely agree. The camping and sniping becomes a non issue with a good team and a fast-paced objective match. We had some street battles in China Town that were akin to the bank heist shootout in the movie Heat - hard core blood bath.

My vote is that the new maps are all a good time. Some serious primal joy in shooting up the cubicles inside of Broadcast. Maybe I shouldn't go to work today.....:eek:

It's a map that rewards teamwork.
no, it's a map that rewards camping for the team that starts at the top of the hill, because there's no reason for them to move forward. the start of that map is like the start of Downpour, the team with the bad spawn knows they have to run like a bat out of hell because they have to get to a certain point before they get trapped and if they do get trapped they don't stand a chance the rest of the game...

and as far as snipping on Bog goes, you know exactly where the snipers are going to be, because they don't have an entire map to pick and choose where to go. i rarely ever do bad on Bog, even from the bad spawn, and it's actually been one of my favorite maps since i started playing the game...

no, it's a map that rewards camping for the team that starts at the top of the hill, because there's no reason for them to move forward. the start of that map is like the start of Downpour, the team with the bad spawn knows they have to run like a bat out of hell because they have to get to a certain point before they get trapped and if they do get trapped they don't stand a chance the rest of the game...

and as far as snipping on Bog goes, you know exactly where the snipers are going to be, because they don't have an entire map to pick and choose where to go. i rarely ever do bad on Bog, even from the bad spawn, and it's actually been one of my favorite maps since i started playing the game...


I see how it could be viewed as a little one sided. I too prefer spawning on the top of the hill instead of bottom, but in general Ive never been on a team that had much of a problem getting over to the top side. Send a couple through the tunnel, and a couple around the outside of the creek. Sure they might be camped waiting for you, but you know their going to be there too so be ready. Most of the time in the games Ive played its been a non issue. Only when paired against a truly good team where everyone aims well/quick, a couple camp the tunnel and the rest camp the top, does it cause a problem. Id say thats been 1/20 of the times Ive played it. Ive seen a lot of ninja's on that map recently too, and they seem to do well.

I enjoyed creek the most and I run and gun with a silenced MP5, UAV and extreme conditioning. Getting to the other side and taking out snipers from behind = bliss. I haven't had a negative match on that board yet and usually pull out a few airstrikes/helicopters per round.

I enjoyed creek the most and I run and gun with a silenced MP5, UAV and extreme conditioning. Getting to the other side and taking out snipers from behind = bliss. I haven't had a negative match on that board yet and usually pull out a few airstrikes/helicopters per round.I agree
BUT you must have a team that is actually trying to/stratagizing!!! I'm always on a team (of people I don't know) who don't try to advance.

I either have a blast, or a bore (because it's so one sided), the latter being more prevalent.... exactly like Bog.

They should set up a Match, where each team is limited to 1 sniper. not sure how it can be done, but...
I like the way it was before the patch, and there weren't as many snipers, "shooting fish in a barrel"

Is the double xp still going on? It was yesterday evening.

yeah i saw it there too

Is the double xp still going on? It was yesterday evening.

It was to stop today. They left is longer because of the issue Friday.

I love all 3 maps. I have been learning more and more strategies on them and I pretty much do very good on them. They are just like all maps in the way that, if you don't have a good team that plays like a team, then you will loose no matter what side your on.

You can play Killhouse in a Team Deathmatch game just not under the Team Deathmatch playlist. I was able to play it last night, albeit with only 6 people, under the Team Tactical playlist. It's a little slower paced than Shipment because there are concrete barriers that prohibit shooting straight across, but still pretty crazy.

If you can get a chance to play it, it's pretty fun.

Were there more than two spawn points (per side) on Killhouse with more than 2 players? I played this with a friend of mine (1v1) and quickly found that there were only two points we spawn at on either side.
Yes, but I don't remember how many.

We switched to LMG with Stopping Power and Deep Impact and realized that, on a 1v1, if you get in the tower, you can simply go on straight streak by firing at each spawn point in order as you kill your opponent.
I don't think anybody survived the climb up the ladder when we played. :)

I always seem to get on the losing side of the objective oriented games and then my xp rate is pretty pathetic. I seem to do better with mercenary TDM games. Steady xp overall. And I can trust my K/D ratio better than when I'm picking off lemmings headed for the the HQ. YMMV. I can see objective being better when playing as a real team.
That's a good point. I only played Merc TDM games until I hooked up with some other players (who exclusively played objective games). They are good players, and we tend to work well together, so we typically do quite well. When I've gone in solo, if I get tossed in on a bad team full of 13 year olds singing Chingy songs, we get walloped... and I get a lot less XP than if I had stuck with Merc TDM.

TDM seems pretty boring now compared to the objective game types, but unless I'm specifically trying to earn XP, if it's a "solo night", I'll probably jump into TDM matches. You can still have a good individual performance on a bad team in TDM. Not so in HQ or S&D.

has anyone heard when they will be integrating the new maps into the full rotation? i want to play domination!

No idea..I know the doulble xp was still going on in the variety pack last night..I hope it lasts for a bit.

After playing the maps for the last 4 days... They were worth it IMO... The first day booting them up was exciting! Now it's back to the grind of gaining XP :)

No idea..I know the doulble xp was still going on in the variety pack last night..I hope it lasts for a bit.

it was? i was playing and was not getting double xp

it was? i was playing and was not getting double xp

Yeah, I can also confirm I was getting double still last night as well... What time were you on? This was about 8-9pm CST...

I played last night and was getting double xp as well.

yep... the variety pak still had double xp..... does anyone know if its still going on today

I had heard they extended it to one week. At least that is what someone said last night in a match.

I was still getting double XP last night too. I was going to switch back to GRAW single player (so I can finally finish that and sell it back), but if they've extended the double-XP all week, I'll probably stick with CoD4.

I can't wait for these to make it into the normal rotation. I'm getting more variety in game type than map, and I'd rather it be the other way around (OTOH, I'm playing game modes I never did before - and finding some of them quite enjoyable).

This was written on the Xbox Forums by one of the Devs about the double XP:

"More Info: www.fourzerotwo.com

The ‘Most Played Games on Xbox Live’ list has been posted yet again on Major Nelson’s blog, and Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare has been holding onto the #1 spot for several months now. We revealed recently in a Eurogamer article that there are between 1.2 and 1.3 million gamers playing Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare on Xbox Live EVERYDAY! With the numbers on PSN being “monstrously huge” in the words of our Producer, Mark Rubin.

So when I post the Top Games of Xbox Live update every few weeks, think of it as a huge thanks to all of you guys, those 1.3 million of you who are logging into multiplayer every day to shoot each other in the face; because without you it wouldn’t be possible. With the Variety map pack hitting this past week and a record breaking amount of people downloading them, I hope we can keep that number one spot for a while and make anyone who takes it from us really have to fight for it.

To continue to show our appreciation for you guys logging in every night, and to celebrate the success of the map pack (also the fact that we’ve gone insane), we’ll be extending DOUBLE XP AGAIN! You can continue to get double XP throughout today (Tuesday) until Wednesday morning….. then that’s it….. seriously…. no more after Wednesday morning…. I mean it this time.

Seriously though, thank you thank you thank you for all the support you guys have shown the game. We by far have the greatest game community I’ve ever been a part of (as a gamer)."

After reading the whole thread, I would like to offer my 4 cents...

From my standpoint given that Killhouse is a bonus map, I thought it was worth it because it adds to the overall variety of the game itself. COD4 is probably the most enjoyable online offering I have ever played and will be tough to beat if they continue to support the community the way that they have had.

I'm primarily a HQ player and enjoy losing (to learn) and even more-so winning. No one has ever gotten better without any experience. I also play TDM as a warm-up or when I am doing terribly on objective based games. I'm pretige 7 run and gun type of player with no patience whatsoever (K/D of 1.1 or something like that).

Creek was originally a tough sell for me just for the simple fact that I am anti-sniper as well (like some of the players here) and thought the same about the balancing issues with the top of the hill vs. bottom of the hill (especially on the objective based games). So since there was no other option besides joining the camping snipers...camp...err...it has forced me to learn to shoot like a sniper and develop the patience and timing required to perform at an above average level. For that I am grateful since I am actually getting better with that gun. This newly learned "gaming skill" should serve me well on other maps and quite possibly other games. It is annoying though when there's 6 snipers and then their backup is a friggin pistol. I mean c'mon, use overkill or something...A-

Chinatown has suited me perfectly as a run and gunner (on either objective or TDM). It's tough to describe when you're in the zone and are able to pop-in and out of door ways and windows and hallways to catch the other team running away or towards you or shooting one of your team mates. The intricate maze of doors/hallways/windows offer a different way to catch your enemies with their pants down. Deep map in my opion (for a run and gun)....B+

Broadcast, like the aforemtioned Chinatown is also a deep map which offers a bit of everything for all classes. This is the most well rounded of the 3 in the Variety rotation and there is always something around the corner. Lost of exposed space but also, some tight corners where fire fights are intense. The different access points to where the fun is leads to a different game everytime. As I mentioned in the creek paragraph, since I can now semi-snipe, when on the roof, I can take out that guy from the far building outside (by A in domination) or if I am in the building, I can pick off people coming outside. Of course I can run around with a ninja build or a tank build (shotty/LMG) for pure run and gun carnage...A

Kill House was played within the confines of a private match (full class/pistols only/headshots only/knife only) and was a blast. It builds the spirit of Shipment while giving players at least some places for cover. Reminds me of Training Map from the original Rainbow Six 3 lean walking days...B+

Anyways, this has been a good purchase and all in all, I think that the maps offer variety to the total package and makes the game better overall.

so they put the maps in the rotation. how does it work if you didn't purchase the new maps? do you get kicked from the lobby?

I think it only adds new map people together and old map people together.

is everything back to normal now? or is it still double xp days down at the cod lot.

It was back to normal last night. They removed the game modes to play only the map pack and they have been thrown into the rotation.

I know if you are setting up a party and one member doesn't have the new maps, it gives you a message in the lobby that says the new maps are disabled for you (paraphrasing)

I don't know if that means your party gets kicked if a new map is next in the rotation, or that everyone (your specific party and all others that are playing with your party) just skip the new maps. So that's still a good question.

I think it only adds new map people together and old map people together.
It appears that the matchmaking ensures that everyone thrown into a room either has the maps or doesn't. So nobody should ever get kicked.

after playing with the maps in the rotation, i find it funny that Creek gets skipped pretty much every time, and that Killhouse actually comes up in FFA and doesn't get skipped. it's actually quite fun if you take it with a grain of salt.