Does anyone know when the Magnavox TB-100MG9 converter box with analog pass through will be available?

I don't know about the magnavox but the philco TB-100HH9 with analog pass-thru is available at Meijer stores. It is similar to the magnavox (both are made by Funai) but comes in an off white color instead off black.

Kmart has the Magnavox TB100MG9 digital to analog converter with analog pass through. The price is $49.99

Kmart has the Magnavox TB100MG9 digital to analog converter with analog pass through. The price is $49.99Where would this Kmart be?  It's not on kmart.com; sears.com has the Sylvania but the stores near me show only expected deliveries late next week and no current inventory of it.

I saw some at a kmart in Pineville NC

Kmart has the Magnavox TB100MG9 digital to analog converter with analog pass through. The price is $49.99

Are you sure your not confusing it with the old
TB100Mw9 with no passthru?

If you go to Kmarts website, you will find the Magnavox TB-100MG9. Only it is sold under the Sylvania brand. Same TB-100MG9 model number, and the website does indicate that it has the analog pass through.

If you go to Kmarts website, you will find the Magnavox TB-100MG9. Only it is sold under the Sylvania brandWhen I tried kmart.com's search function, it showed the Sylvania TB100MG9 only as a hit at sears.com.  Of course, the actual K-Mart and Sears stores near me did not have any boxes at all.  (Wal-Mart here has stacks and stacks of the TB100MW9.)

Ok

Stopped by the local kmart today and they had 3 of these on the bottom shelf in electronics, next door walmart also had 7 of their model# magnavox on the bottom shelf with a very suspicious looking countdown clock 5 feet down the isle right at eye level.

Stopped by the local kmart today and they had 3 of these on the bottom shelf in electronics, next door walmart also had 7 of their model# magnavox on the bottom shelf with a very suspicious looking countdown clock 5 feet down the isle right at eye level.

The G9? With passthru? Did it look like Manavox fixed the overheat problem? More ventS?

The box is now available. I got one yesterday. It was on Sears.com. It was listed as a Sylvania, however a Magnavox was pictured and that was what was shipped. I orded it about a week ago, and had it delivered to the local Sears store....that's when the story gets interesting.

To pick it up you scan your bar coded email at a kiosk (not a merchandise person in the area) and a stock clerk brings it to you. "But wait, I have a $40 coupon". You have to see so and so in the TV dept.

I go there and he was aware of the coupon, and said not to worry - I'd get my $40. They had an email from HQ saying they were working on the procedures of how to process the $40 coupons. He also said they didn't have any of the boxes in the store yet, this was the first on he had seen. He took copies of my order, coupon and promised to get it resolved and call me.

The unit was easy to install. The setup wizard worked quite well and the scan locked all of the OTA digital channels that my 52" Panasonic HDTV locks. The picture was an improvement over the analog picture on the 20-year old TV to which it is attached. There are no apparent artifacts. Just a good solid high quality picture.

It is an analog pass thru model. You have to set it up in the OSD menu once, then you can turn the TB100MG9 off to let the analog regain control.

One caution, you can delete unwanted channels. However, when you delete a channel, you delete ALL the channels in that broadcast stream. If you want to delete Ch 66.4, you wind up deleting 66.1, 66.2, 66.3 also.

For channel surfers, the TB100MG9 only takes a second or two to lock the next channel as you move up or down.

It has 1, 2, 4-hour automatic power down and an "always on" setting. When it is off, there is no heat coming from the box which is good since like it's earlier sibling it does not have any vent holes in the case.

Bob

The box is now available. I got one yesterday. It was on Sears.com. It was listed as a Sylvania, however a Magnavox was pictured and that was what was shipped. I orded it about a week ago, and had it delivered to the local Sears store....that's when the story gets interesting. Neither the Sears nor KMart site search engines brings up this item. Do you have a link?

It was on Sears.com. ....that's when the story gets interesting...Bob

It's reasons like this I no longer shop at Sears..("Sorry, Everyone Around's Really Stupid")

It's a shame tho, they have good stuff and an excellent selection, tho poor merchandising and even worse customer service. :(

The box is now available. I got one yesterday. It was on Sears.com. It was listed as a Sylvania, however a Magnavox was pictured and that was what was shipped. I orded it about a week ago, and had it delivered to the local Sears store....that's when the story gets interesting.

To pick it up you scan your bar coded email at a kiosk (not a merchandise person in the area) and a stock clerk brings it to you. "But wait, I have a $40 coupon". You have to see so and so in the TV dept.

I go there and he was aware of the coupon, and said not to worry - I'd get my $40. They had an email from HQ saying they were working on the procedures of how to process the $40 coupons. He also said they didn't have any of the boxes in the store yet, this was the first on he had seen. He took copies of my order, coupon and promised to get it resolved and call me.

The unit was easy to install. The setup wizard worked quite well and the scan locked all of the OTA digital channels that my 52" Panasonic HDTV locks. The picture was an improvement over the analog picture on the 20-year old TV to which it is attached. There are no apparent artifacts. Just a good solid high quality picture.

It is an analog pass thru model. You have to set it up in the OSD menu once, then you can turn the TB100MG9 off to let the analog regain control.

One caution, you can delete unwanted channels. However, when you delete a channel, you delete ALL the channels in that broadcast stream. If you want to delete Ch 66.4, you wind up deleting 66.1, 66.2, 66.3 also.

For channel surfers, the TB100MG9 only takes a second or two to lock the next channel as you move up or down.

It has 1, 2, 4-hour automatic power down and an "always on" setting. When it is off, there is no heat coming from the box which is good since like it's earlier sibling it does not have any vent holes in the case.

Bob

I have a few questions please

1) Can you manually add a tv station or only Auto scan?

2) The analog passthru. Does the signal strength go down when you turn off the box? Or is it the same as before you had the G9

3)Does the box get hot while on? I understand you said while off it does not. Is the transformer in the box or on the electric plug cord?


4) It was $50 correct?

5) can you compare the EPG and display to other Cebes? Is the EPG a few days or just the next show?

6) Are you happy with it?

7) What antenna are you using?

8) Is the remote the same as the W9 original box? Are the buttons small and does it control the TV

Again thanks

What happened to BobOnTampaBay?

I just got this box today from Kmart. I have to say there is small little vent holes on it. in the back and under the box. I think I have to upgrade my ant. I only get PBS on the dtv side. The anlog does breakdown but I use a vcr so that be the problem. So far I have not heard of no bad audio sounds let. I have a bose surrond sound system. The box only costed me 13.00 I was the first one who got it from kmart in the area I am in.

I just got this box today from Kmart. I have to say there is small little vent holes on it. in the back and under the box. I think I have to upgrade my ant. I only get PBS on the dtv side. The anlog does breakdown but I use a vcr so that be the problem. So far I have not heard of no bad audio sounds let. I have a bose surrond sound system. The box only costed me 13.00 I was the first one who got it from kmart in the area I am in.

Could you answer the questions I asked BOB above? Or try?

Yes you can manualy add channels in but sub channels you can not manualy add in. Box does not feel hot to me. Like I said they did put in some vents there is a set on the back and there is a few small tiny holes that look like they was added after the box was made on the buttom. the cord cannot come off the box. The anlog does degrade but that might because I use a VCR with my box. It does not control the tv. the remote is the same i think. But box feels like it is built alot better then the one walmart sells.

Yes you can manualy add channels in but sub channels you can not manualy add in. Box does not feel hot to me. Like I said they did put in some vents there is a set on the back and there is a few small tiny holes that look like they was added after the box was made on the buttom. the cord cannot come off the box. The anlog does degrade but that might because I use a VCR with my box. It does not control the tv. the remote is the same i think. But box feels like it is built alot better then the one walmart sells.

Yes you can manually add channels in but sub channels you can not manualy add in

Can you expand on this? Lets lay you manually add channel 4.1 will the sub stations be included? EX: 4.2 4.3 4.4

When you add in main station are the sub stations included?

IF not how do you get the sub stations?

Are you happy with the quality?

Is it true you just turn off box for analog pass thru?

thanks

I do not know about adding the sub channels yet. All I get right now on the box is PBS. That is because I have to get a better ant tomorrow. I am happy so far with how PBS looks. The box goes into like a sleep mode when you go into the setup menu you turn on the analog channels. You have to use your tv remote while on the analog side to get off analog channels you have to hit the menu button for 3 seconds. If you have any questions I will try to answer them about this box

I do not know about adding the sub channels yet. All I get right now on the box is PBS. That is because I have to get a better ant tomorrow. I am happy so far with how PBS looks. The box goes into like a sleep mode when you go into the setup menu you turn on the analog channels. You have to use your tv remote while on the analog side to get off analog channels you have to hit the menu button for 3 seconds. If you have any questions I will try to answer them about this box

I am confused for analog

BOB said that you go to menu and tell the ox you want analog and then from that point forward you just turn off BOX for analog and use TV as normal and to get back to digital go to channel 3?

Is this wrong? IF so please give a step by step on how it works?

Can you set it up once and then just turn off box?

Everytime you want analog do you have to go into the Menu?


BTW look at TERK-55 for a great indoor antenna I am not sure you need indoor or outdoor

I just got this box today from Kmart. ... I was the first one who got it from kmart in the area I am in.What area is that, Ben?

You folks can see to the left where I'm located.  Yesterday I went to the two nearest K-Marts and the two nearest Sears and not one of the four had a single CECB of any model by any manufacturer.

I am from Jacksonville Fl. I need a indoor ant.

lexus to do analog pass though the steps are:

1. Push the setup button on the remote controll

2. In the setup menu you go to the channel submenu

3. You click on the Rf out

4. You select RF pass through and Yes.

5. The box goes into like a sleep mode and you use your tv remote to wacth analog tv

6. When your done wacthing analog you hold down the setup button on the remote for 3 seconds.

You have to do each step every single time.

look at the Terk -55 The Terk -50 was the best antenna we bought and tried. We tried 7 others

and ty for the info

What a shame everytime. That will be hard for my aunt

I am from Jacksonville Fl. I need a indoor ant.

lexus to do analog pass though the steps are:

1. Push the setup button on the remote controll

2. In the setup menu you go to the channel submenu

3. You click on the Rf out

4. You select RF pass through and Yes.

5. The box goes into like a sleep mode and you use your tv remote to wacth analog tv

6. When your done wacthing analog you hold down the setup button on the remote for 3 seconds.

You have to do each step every single time.
I wonder why BoB said differen't

Could you check something for me.

Can you turn off box and see if you get analog passthru? Maybe with loss of signal? It might work right?

I wonder why BoB said differen'tIt might be because one is using Composite inputs and the other is using RF.

As I understand it depends on how your T.V. Is Setup if you can set RF Passthu once and leave it.

Just using the RF can you can't leave the box in RF passthru to watch both Digital/Analog and must switch in the menu.

Using both RF and Composite you can leave the box in RF passthru and view analog and digital switching to AUX/Line In/etc., to view digital.

You just have to switch inputs on the TV with your remote between Auxiliary (Video 1, or whatever) and RF (the TV's tuner).

You will have to do a scan first with the TV's tuner so that it programs in all the analog channels. And you should probably leave the CECB tuner "on", because when they're off, the ones with pass-thru usually attenuate (weaken) the signal somewhat.

Looking at the User Guide it looks like "SETUP" is the button to switch the RF settings
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It also says that channel 3 is the default channel.

Now here is a question how does this setup button cycle work?
Channel 3, Channel 4, RF PassThru
or just Channel 3 and RF PassThru?

Do you need to press "SETUP" for three seconds to switch from analog to digital or can you keep it on the RF PassThru and use both analog and digital changing to channel 3 to access Digital by default?

On the Philco box ( yes - I have one) - if you select RF Passthru - it literally does just that - it passes thru the RF signals. In this mode, you can power it off and get a strong signal through, but degraded in strength. However, it will NOT display on channel 3/4 when in this mode. Sorry guys - I wanted it to work like "power-off - RF passthrough, power on - you watch this box" too, but that's not the way this box works. THAT is why I've been saying you really need A/V inputs.

You CAN find an external modulator / switches to implement what you want.

Ok I just went to the store and Bought a G9. My local Sears had it and they had about 6 to 8. No problem with coupon. He did have to swipe it 5 times though:eek::rolleyes:

Since I am not around the corner from my Aunt. It will be a week or so before I get over there. She in 83 and I have to hook it up for her as well as go get it from store. I don't mind that is what family is for, right?

Anyway I opened it up to read the instructions. I noticed the Remote has no volume controls? And it is small buttons

For analog passthru I read the instructions different.

after you go to menu and select Rf passthrough you watch tv as normal.

Now if you want to go back to digital you can do menu OR press and hold Setup button for 3 seconds to switch between channel 3 or 4.

No where does it say hold button for 3 seconds to get RF passthru.

Until i get this box hooked up. No way to know for sure. Maybe someone here can help?

Since I do not have an antenna here. I tried the old paperclip antenna. and i got one station just to fool around and look at. Ok it breaks up with a strength of 15.

Still I could not wait to see what this looked like. so far looks nice box display

For analog passthru I read the instructions different.
after you go to menu and select Rf passthrough you watch tv as normal.Yes after you select RF passthough you watch Analog TV as normal and as I understand it you can't access digital unless you are using RF and switch back or if using Composite change to the AUX/Line In/Etc.

Using the RF and wanting to switch back you can.
1. Press and Hold Setup button for 3 seconds.

I don't think you can see the menu in RF Passthru

No where does it say hold button for 3 seconds to get RF passthru.

You might just be correct with this one as it says the following
You also can switch between “CH3” and “CH4” by holding
[SETUP] down over 3 seconds.

It sounds stupid that you can't also use [SETUP] held down for three seconds to get RF PassThru.
Talk about being convenient for only RF users:rolleyes:

Hopefully your Aunt has Composite.

However it also says the following
To view analog TV channels through the STB, the STB must be turned on.
It has been reported that this is not true, you can access Analog when powered off but degraded in strength

Personally a switch does sound easier to use for the elderly except for the fact that they have to get up and physically switch it.

Also lexus2108 what was the price at Sears?
Was it the $49.99 listed for Sears item# 05757778000
Sylvania DTV Digital-To-Analog Converter with a Magnavox picture.

Regarding concerns about overheating.

Couldn't a person just drill a couple of dozen holes somewhere in the case....remember, I know nothing about electronics, just trying to think of solution>>>:eek:

Regarding concerns about overheating.

Couldn't a person just drill a couple of dozen holes somewhere in the case....remember, I know nothing about electronics, just trying to think of solution>>>:eek:

Ok I opened the Box and played with it here in my house. I found a trick for everyone with a box to use.

1) Regarding concerns about overheating. I had the box on for over 4 hours and it was not even warm. I could barely tell it had been on. I think Magnavox fixed the old w9 problem of overheating

2) Since I live out far from tv stations (average 50 miles) I was only able to get 2 stations. A spanish channel and TV55 55.1
I took down my terk antenna that is only made for FM (for my stereo.) Since I do not have a real antenna and the box is for my Aunt who has a terk 50 made for TV
I used the RF cable that came from BOX and I got 15 strength for the Spanish channel with alot of break up and only 25 for TV 55.

I then tried a RF cable from Cable company and the Signal jumped in quality. Spanish station went to low 20's and TV 55 went to a strength of middle 30's

Then I used a RF cable I bought from Best buy today. IT is HDTV rated and the SIGNAL really JUMPED higher. Spanish station went to middle 30's and TV 55 went to 59 Signal Strength.

So remember to use the BEST RF cable to get the best signal. Could mean the difference between the stations that are on the fringe

3) Passthru ONLY works when box is on. It is a pain to go through Menu. To turn it off you hold setup button for 3 seconds

4) I am happy with the EPG that shows the shows 4 hours ahead. So it is not days but it is good enough.

5) Picture quality was very good imo. I say it was as good as my digital box from cable company.

6) it seems that any station that is over -60 dBm Will be a good picture to watch. Anything over -60 will not be seen

I will know more once I hook this up for aunt. I still want to get the RCA box, but as a back up box with passthru this is a good box. Not great remote but the picture is what you want anyway.

I can try to answer questions.

I just got a brand new ant. It is a philips 50dbm and I still can not get all my dtv channels each time I do scan I do not get the same channels. But on the analog side I pick up every anaglog channel around now. Also the ant I got now is so powerful that I do not have to have the box on to watch analog channels. So can you return a box and get the 40.00 back? But I do wish I could get some tv channels. I have tried to use tvfool and it has not helped. Is it because I am in a mobile home?

I just got a brand new ant. It is a philips 50dbm and I still can not get all my dtv channels each time I do scan I do not get the same channels. But on the analog side I pick up every anaglog channel around now. Also the ant I got now is so powerful that I do not have to have the box on to watch analog channels. So can you return a box and get the 40.00 back? But I do wish I could get some tv channels. I have tried to use tvfool and it has not helped. Is it because I am in a mobile home?
iF YOU have the g9 then you can manually add the stations. Try that.

I just got a brand new ant. It is a philips 50dbm and I still can not get all my dtv channels each time I do scan I do not get the same channels. But on the analog side I pick up every anaglog channel around now. Also the ant I got now is so powerful that I do not have to have the box on to watch analog channels. So can you return a box and get the 40.00 back? But I do wish I could get some tv channels. I have tried to use tvfool and it has not helped. Is it because I am in a mobile home?If it's a metal-sided mobile home then, yeah, that would affect it if you had the antenna pointing through a wall (or metal roof). If so, then try to get it pointing directly out a window in the direction of the towers if possible.

If it's wood/vinyl, then unless you have metal-backed insulation or something else with metal in the way, it shouldn't affect it as much (watch out for metal carport awnings, though). Have you tried moving the antenna around to every possible place? Get yourself a long length of coax and do that. Try getting it up as high as possible (like I said, in or pointing out of a window's always best).

Mobile home's are usually fairly easy to get something outside on, being only one story, and not a very high one at that. Post in one of the reception sticky's here for more advice, if you haven't already.

And no - sorry - you can't get the $40.00 coupon back if you return the box. You'll just get the amount you paid in cash back. But that store might (or should, anyway) give you store credit. That's about the best you can hope for.

Sears told me a gift card back if you return. He wasn't too sure though

Sorry, I was away from the forum for a few days and didn't reply sooner:

RE:lexus's questions:
1) Can you manually add a tv station or only Auto scan?

a:Not according to the instruction book, in fact onece you delete a station or station group, you have to re autoscan.

2) The analog passthru. Does the signal strength go down when you turn off the box? Or is it the same as before you had the G9.

a: It does, the way I do it (shutting off the MG9...not changing the setup), for the OTA locals, but doesn't seem to be a problem on my inhome satellite distribution feed on ch.4.

3)Does the box get hot while on? I understand you said while off it does not. Is the transformer in the box or on the electric plug cord? The transformer is not on the a/c cord... and yes the box does get warm while in use.


4) It was $50 correct? Yes, and I Sears as re-processed* the transaction so the net cost was $13.49 incl sales tax. *-actually they took a return on the first sale, then resold the empty carton to make the $40 coupon apply.

5) can you compare the EPG and display to other Cebes? Is the EPG a few days or just the next show?

a: I can't compare it to other CEBEs, but it is not the type of EPG that you see with 4DTV, DISH, DirecTv or most cable systems with all channels in a grid format for several hours at a time... It only gives program info for the channel you are on, and then you can arrow into the future to see other program info on that channel. The program content seemed to be fairly detailed, but you are at the mercy of what the station (or mother network) puts into its data stream.

6) Are you happy with it?
a: Fairly happy. The switch between DTV and Analog viewing could be smoother. A simple A/B botton on the remote would be ideal. The remote has tiny buttons as others have pointed out. A "last channel" button on the remote would be nice, as would more vent holes in the case. I has six 1/4-inch slits in the back and that, INMO, is not enough for long duration use. (Ours is in the bedroom and I only plan to use it for an hour at a time for the late night talk shows.)

7) What antenna are you using?

a: a 13 year old outside VHF/UHF antenna (including a siganl amplifier and a household distribution signal combiner).

8) Is the remote the same as the W9 original box? Are the buttons small and does it control the TV

a: I think it is quite similar, button are small and you can't control the TV with it. ...but I just might try to add the MG9 to a programmable remote. It will make volume and ON/OFF a lot easier.

Bob

My local Sears told me they has 2 when I called them on the phone today. I asked them to hold one. They said they will. I got there about 45 minutes later and the stupid jerk said someone just came in and bought them. I was like I asked you to hold one. She said I asked the guy if he called and he said yes. (BS since she said she only talked to one person on the phone, me) I showed her the piece of paper that I had the info on it with her name, etc and she said Oh Im sorry. I was like what a bunch of jerks. I hope the clown that got the boxes gets some DOA units it would serve him right.

Then I went to Circuit City and wanted to find out if they charged full sales tax on the 59.99 price of the Zenith or only after the $40.00 coupon like Walmart did on my first Magnavox. They said it was on the full price and from what I understand is illegal in Illinois. I told them they will be reported. Then I ended my great adventure stopping a Walmart to see if they ever got any more in. Of course Not. I can't believe getting my second stupid DTV converter is becoming such a hassle. I may just toss my second coupon in the trash. :(

Then I went to Circuit City and wanted to find out if they charged full sales tax on the 59.99 price of the Zenith or only after the $40.00 coupon like Walmart did on my first Magnavox. They said it was on the full price and from what I understand is illegal in Illinois. I told them they will be reported. Then I ended my great adventure stopping a Walmart to see if they ever got any more in. Of course Not. I can't believe getting my second stupid DTV converter is becomeing such a hassle. I may just toss my second coupon in the trash. :(

I'll take your unused coupon.

I think the $40 coupon is like a credit to be applied to the price
and not a discount like other coupons. So the tax would be
on the list price. A coupon from a manufacturer would lower
the price and then the tax. I believe that these $40 coupons
that the government is actually sending cash to the vendor.
It is more like how stores treat instant rebates or if you use
rebate credits for purchases.

Due to all of the discussion of "how to pass-thru the analog signal", I went back and tried it again on my system. (DTV output to RF)

Yes, IF you follow the manual's procedure of holding the setup button for 3 seconds and proceed through 8 different menu clicks you will dsable the DTV output and get a good solid signal on analog. To get back to DTV just hold setup for 3 seconds. Evidently I have such a strong signal on the whole-house satellite distribution system, that shutting off the DTV box is enough to allow a good watchable signal through. Since the only reason I need the analog pass thru is for that satellite signal (all of the local analog stations are duplicated on the DTV with an even better PQ and lots off sub-channels). So for me it is easier to turn the DTV box on/off to toggle between DTV & analog.

One thing I had hoped for was that I could use the composite outputs for the VCR and the RF for the TV. I don't think you can do that since the initial setup makes you select audio out to composite OR to RF.

Bob

Then I went to Circuit City and wanted to find out if they charged full sales tax on the 59.99 price of the Zenith or only after the $40.00 coupon like Walmart did on my first Magnavox. They said it was on the full price and from what I understand is illegal in Illinois. I told them they will be reported.You understand wrong.  There was a court case on this in Illinois in the late 1970s or early 1980s.

A coupon from the manufacturer or anyone other than the store is money to use to pay for the item.  It does not change the price, and sales tax is chargeable on the full amount.

A coupon from the store is a reduction in the price and does reduce the taxable amount of the sale.

NTIA coupons for CECBs are in the former category: $40 toward paying for the purchase, not $40 off the price.

Sorry, I was away from the forum for a few days and didn't reply sooner:

RE:lexus's questions:
1) Can you manually add a tv station or only Auto scan?

a:Not according to the instruction book, in fact onece you delete a station or station group, you have to re autoscan.

2) The analog passthru. Does the signal strength go down when you turn off the box? Or is it the same as before you had the G9.

a: It does, the way I do it (shutting off the MG9...not changing the setup), for the OTA locals, but doesn't seem to be a problem on my inhome satellite distribution feed on ch.4.

3)Does the box get hot while on? I understand you said while off it does not. Is the transformer in the box or on the electric plug cord? The transformer is not on the a/c cord... and yes the box does get warm while in use.


4) It was $50 correct? Yes, and I Sears as re-processed* the transaction so the net cost was $13.49 incl sales tax. *-actually they took a return on the first sale, then resold the empty carton to make the $40 coupon apply.

5) can you compare the EPG and display to other Cebes? Is the EPG a few days or just the next show?

a: I can't compare it to other CEBEs, but it is not the type of EPG that you see with 4DTV, DISH, DirecTv or most cable systems with all channels in a grid format for several hours at a time... It only gives program info for the channel you are on, and then you can arrow into the future to see other program info on that channel. The program content seemed to be fairly detailed, but you are at the mercy of what the station (or mother network) puts into its data stream.

6) Are you happy with it?
a: Fairly happy. The switch between DTV and Analog viewing could be smoother. A simple A/B botton on the remote would be ideal. The remote has tiny buttons as others have pointed out. A "last channel" button on the remote would be nice, as would more vent holes in the case. I has six 1/4-inch slits in the back and that, INMO, is not enough for long duration use. (Ours is in the bedroom and I only plan to use it for an hour at a time for the late night talk shows.)

7) What antenna are you using?

a: a 13 year old outside VHF/UHF antenna (including a siganl amplifier and a household distribution signal combiner).

8) Is the remote the same as the W9 original box? Are the buttons small and does it control the TV

a: I think it is quite similar, button are small and you can't control the TV with it. ...but I just might try to add the MG9 to a programmable remote. It will make volume and ON/OFF a lot easier.

Bob

BOB thanks for all the information. As I posted above. I now own the box.

1) Adding TV stations. Please look in the manual page 17. You will see that you can ADD stations manually. In fact you add the MAIN station (subs are not necessary). So you ADD channel 26 and all the subs will be added.

Yes it does say if you delete you need to do a autoscan. But after a autoscan you can add in other stations

2) What is the farthest station you can pull in?

3) can a combiner be used to combine two antennas? If so got a link so i can see one?

Again thanks

You understand wrong. There was a court case on this in Illinois in the late 1970s or early 1980s.

A coupon from the manufacturer or anyone other than the store is money to use to pay for the item. It does not change the price, and sales tax is chargeable on the full amount.

A coupon from the store is a reduction in the price and does reduce the taxable amount of the sale.

NTIA coupons for CECBs are in the former category: $40 toward paying for the purchase, not $40 off the price.

Well if that's the case Walmart screwed up on my first box and charged wrong. My friends also got charged only on $9.97. But it figures like the Goverment don't tax us enough. They need more gold in there pockets. Im waiting for all the fallout next Feburary when the people still without any solution to the DTV thing start crying to Uncle Sam. I will be funny to see what happens then :) They'll probably will give them free boxes to shut them up.

I picked up a couple of these yesterday at the Sears store in San Bruno, CA.

It seems that some people are confused about the way the analog passthru works. If your TV has an available set of composite inputs, you don't need to go through the menus and switch AP on and off. You just leave it on, and use the TV's input selector to switch between digital and analog.

As some others have mentioned, analog passthru does not work with the box turned off.

My only complaint so far is that it would be nice to have an aspect ratio button on the remote, instead of having to go through the menu.

3) can a combiner be used to combine two antennas?

This is a bad idea if you are watching any analog channels, because it generally causes severe multipath (ghosts). If you have only 1 or 2 channels that are in the wrong direction, you can use bandpass filters on the second antenna, but it's still hard to make it work.

If you are only watching DTV, you have a better chance with this, but you are still going to be degrading all your signals by combining the antennas.

This is a bad idea if you are watching any analog channels, because it generally causes severe multipath (ghosts). If you have only 1 or 2 channels that are in the wrong direction, you can use bandpass filters on the second antenna, but it's still hard to make it work.

If you are only watching DTV, you have a better chance with this, but you are still going to be degrading all your signals by combining the antennas.
Ok I guess My best choice is to use this box as a back up and get the RCA b1 with passthru and smart antenna.

well not sure anyone reads this thread anymore. So I will make a quick review and if you want more details then ask me questions

I finally went to my Aunts and hooked up the G9 box for her. Any station that was under 15 miles she got in CRYSTAL clear. I tried to manually program the 5 stations that were cut out. 3 own which were LPs and not avail on Digital. 2 were 21 miles away and could not come in. I tried everything. Moving antenna and turning on amp.
Only 1 of those stations she really wanted.

So we went from 17 stations down to 13. We get 11 sub stations. For a total of 24 stations.

ALL the old snow and waves of analog are gone. Most stations come in with 85 to 90 Signal strength. A couple were 55 to 64. I am amazed at the quality of the signal and picture. No drop outs, pixcleation ect. I found at my house anything over 20 was a good picture.

She is very happy although at 83 the RF passthrough is very confusing to her.

The buttons on remote are too small.

But the reception is GREAT.

We do plan to get the RCA b or B1 with passthru if it comes in by end of month. Since coupons are expiring. The RCA remote is better. Controls tv and BIG buttons.

Overall I was surprised at the picture quality and it is a solid box for $10.

Good back up box

I just purchased a Magnavox TB100MG9 box.

Below is what I have found out about the box. I also have some questions for the forum.

Here are my specs:

DVD Recorder - Panasonic DMR-EZ475V

DVR - DishNetwork DISHDVR510

Antenna - ChannelMaster 3679c UHF/VHF

Rotor - Channel Master 9521 IR Controller rotor/with butyl seal

Amplifier - Motorola 1 GHz amplifier with an FM filter added

Digital Converter Box - Magnavox TB100MG9

Zip Code: 97322-6638

Information on Converter Box: purchased box at Kmart on May 3, 2008. The store is located in Albany, Oregon. It was the last box in the store. The clerk said they got in around 10 boxes two weeks ago (from the 5/03/08 purchase date).

Serial No. U11821243
Model No. TB100MG9
Bar Code: 0 53818 56006 8
Remote control: NA384UD
Owner’s manual: 1VMN25233
RF cable: WPZ0901TM002

There is a number on the back which is E175216.

Note: I have seen no heating problems with the box/


Here are the instructions from the manual on how to perform an Autoscan:

Receiving Channels (Autoscan)

STB can get available digital channels automatically.

Autoscan receives available digital channels and stores them in a channel map. These channels can then be selected using [CH +/-].

CAUTION:

. If autoscan is skipped, digital channels may not be received correctly.

1 Press [SETUP] to display “SETUP” menu.

2 Select “CHANNEL” using [ / ], then press [OK]

3 Select “AUTOSCAN” using [ / ], then press [OK].

4 Select ‘AUTOSCAN” USING [ / ], then press [OK].

. STB starts receiving available digital channels and stores them in the channel map.

. When the scanning is complete, “AUTOSCAN COMPLETED” will be indicated.

. After autoscan is complete, press [CH+/-] to verify whether STB is receiving channels properly.

To cancel during scanning:
Press [SETUP] or [OK].

NOTE: ([../..] = up and down arrows- my note.)


NOTE:

. If canceled, some channels not yet scanned may not be received. We recommend completing autoscan.

. When you want to completely refresh the channel map, delete all channels, then do the autoscan again. See “Adding/Deleting Channels” on page 17 for details.

When “NO SIGNAL” appears on the screen:

Verify the antenna connection, then scan again. The STB tunes in channel 2-1 and “NO SIGNAL” appears if the STB could not receive any channels.



I performed the above “autoscan” instructions not once, but 36 times. The reason I do it 36 times is because Albany, Oregon has no local TV stations of its own. Eugene (South), Portland/Salem.(North), Corvallis (West), and Lebanon (East) are the points where I have to move the antenna to to pick-up TV stations. As for the “36 times”, I divide the compass 360 degrees by 10and get “36 times”. So, I set the antenna on 10 degrees and do an “autoscan”. I write the results in my notebook for future reference. I do this for 20, 30, 40, 50, etc. and write down the results each time.

I have found that some of the channels do not show up when I do a second “autoscan”.

Note: the second scan is done on a different day and time.

Question: why does this happen?

I have found that when I do a second “autoscan” some of channels move to another point on the compass (the difference can be a few degrees off or as much as 60+ degrees off).

Question: why does this happen?

Question: is there an easier/better/faster way to “autoscan” the channels? Could you do a 360 degree scan all at once? I would set the antenna to rotate 360 degrees and hit “autoscan” at the same time. I am thinking that this would make the one watt computer chip brain to go crazy!!!!

The manual says that you can add/delete channels. I believe that this would only work if you live in a large city with lots of channels. You would aim the antenna in one direction and get a number of channels. If the “autoscan” missed a channel, according to the manual, you can add the channel. I am assuming here that the channel is located where you have pointed the antenna. You would know this based on information from anttenaweb.com and tvfool.com.

I am thinking that since I live in a town with no local TV channels and I cannot find channels and/or channels move around, the add/delete option will not work for me?

Question: I am correct in thinking this?

I had a professional installer to install my system. It seems that when you input 90 degrees into the rotor the antenna does not point to the east. The antenna is approximately 90 degrees off. This makes it difficult to aim the antenna and pick up a digital channel. The aiming is based on information from antennaweb.com and tvfool.com.

Question: what is the best way to fix this problem?

Any input on any of the above questions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

I just got the analog pass through Magnavox, and so far it seems to be picking up as well as my Insignia. Here's some pros and cons compaired with the Insignia or Zenith:

Pros: So far seems to pick up as well (storms and high winds were causing Insignia and Motorola to drop occasionally), has analog pass through, has extra/unadvertised pass through of strong signal when off (if your signal is strong it may pass through well enough when Magnavox is off whereas the Insignia seems to totally block RF when off, no DD 5.1 sound problem, the sound from the RF seems less noisy than Insignia, RF and audio available simultaneously at RCA connectors and RF port, $10 cheaper than Insignia or Zenith, 4 show EPG vrs next show for Insignia.

Cons: small remote buttons that don't give you any confidence you've pushed hard enough, can't control TV on/off or volume, cheaper looking than Insignia, slower to change channels, so far I still intuitively like the Insignia better.

robandjeanne

I didn't find changing channels slow. What signal strength you get? We get 80 to 90 on most stations and 60 to 70 on the other few.

I find with my cable that home with an amp the stations change much faster

So same might go for CEBE. The better the signal the faster the change?

The better the signal the faster the change?Makes sense.  Most of the extra time to change channels with DTV compared to analog is for locking on the destination station's signal, isn't it?  I've found it faster to tune to a channel I had been watching a short time ago (certainly since turning the TV or the CECB on) or to another subchannel of the same station as the channel I've been watching, for example.

The Insignia is way faster changing channels than the Magnavox (I estimate a factor of 2 or maybe 3). I like the Insignia remote and the ability to turn TV on/off and control TV volume. It makes it easy to use just one remote for DTV operation. One day someone may discover the universal code for a good remote to control the Magnavox (and associated TV). The Magnavox is a good value, I just don't seem to like it as well as the Insignia.

I guess Magnavox is unloading all of their old MW9's on Wal-Mart stores all across the country in massive amounts, so if you go to Wal-Mart looking for the new MG9 with passthough you may want to take a close look at the box to make sure you're getting the MG9.

robandjeanne All I can tell you is that with MY g9 I pushed the button and instantly I was on a new channel. I do not know why yours is slow. That is why I asked you what your signal is. It is clear we are getting two different speeds. Mine is not slow it is fast and I am happy with it.

RE:Cons: small remote buttons that don't give you any confidence you've pushed hard enough, can't control TV on/off or volume>>

I agree, the remote leaves a lot to be desired. I solved the remote problem with a "Philips Learning Remote-Universal Digital DVD" (model: PMDVD6). First I taught the Philips remote the commands for the TV set...that was the simple part, just one set of codes did the trick. Then each of the DTV converter's buttons had to be "learned". While I was at it, I taught the Philips the volume and mute buttons for the TV as part of the DTV converter commands. That way I can control the volume regardless of which mode I'm in. The Philips also allows for volume "punch-through" if you want to do it that way.

In reply to Lexus msg 42.

Thanks for the station adding info.

The furthest station is about 35 miles, the antenna farm where most of my locals are located. For that I have the UHF/VHF antenna. There is one (CBS) that is in the opposite direction but only 10 miles away. That gives me the most problems (breakups during high winds) since that antenna is a ch. 10 specific VHF antenna, which was great for analog. But Ch 10 is currently transmuting on CH 24 for DT so an UHF antenna would be better. I was about to bite the bullet and replace it with an UHF bow, but then I found out that after Feb 17, 2009, they will be changing back to CH 10.

The 2 antennas are combined at the antenna into one 75-ohm cable. Then in the house, that cable is fed through a combiner with my MPEG2-DVB and 4DTV C & KU band satellite signals into the cable that feed the office and bedroom TVs.

Bob

Dammit...went to local Sears last week to get a G9 and realized I forgot the stupid coupons...they had 3...which were gone of course when I came back the next day. ALL Kmarts and Sears in Albany, NY area are out of the G9s.

Dammit...went to local Sears last week to get a G9 and realized I forgot the stupid coupons...they had 3...which were gone of course when I came back the next day. ALL Kmarts and Sears in Albany, NY area are out of the G9s.

You could of asked them to reserve 1. Oh well ask them when they will get more

Dammit...went to local Sears last week to get a G9 and realized I forgot the stupid coupons...they had 3...which were gone of course when I came back the next day.You could have bought one at full price and gone back to Sears with it and the coupon to return it and buy it back.

Cons: small remote buttons that don't give you any confidence you've pushed hard enough ...Having unpacked it but not hooked it up or used it yet, I find the worst thing about the remote not to be the layout or feel of the buttons but the illegibility of the white markings on the pale gray background.  I don't take to the idea of having to turn a bright light on and squint and stare at the remote in order to use it, especially if it means missing part of the video of the broadcast while my eyes are on the remote.  Because of that alone I may take it back without even unwinding the power cord.

Then you definitely want to stay away from the Walmart Magnavox HDD/DVD recorder, also. Must be a Magnavox thing with their remotes. Has to be the worst remote ever made for a recorder. Not only do you need to turn on a bright light, but you need reading glasses or a magnifying glass.

When I bought my mg9, Sears said there would be a 20% restocking fee if I brought the unit back just because I didn't like it. The salesman further stated that I couldn't pay cash and then come back later and use my coupon. In other words I had to use the coupon at the time of the sale. I definitely thought these rules were for the convenience of the Sears salesman rather than for the customer's benefit. I pursued the restocking fee and got my salesman to agree that if the mg9 did not pick up as many stations as my DTV I could bring it back with no restocking fee. When I finally bought the mg9 the salesman had to consult with multiple managers to see how to credit the coupon. When it finally went through and credited for $40 I heard the salesman who was still on the line with his manager say that his computer was not asking me for identification. Apparently the manager would have preferred me to positively ID myself!

Talk about the third degree! It sounds like some stores may ask for ID when you purchase. This must be to disallow use of coupons purchased from others on ebay. I wonder if those ebay sellers realize they are probably selling those coupons illegally? I wonder if ebay buyers realize they may run into problems with the Fed when they redeem someone elses coupon.

When I bought my mg9, Sears said there would be a 20% restocking fee if I brought the unit back just because I didn't like it. The salesman further stated that I couldn't pay cash and then come back later and use my coupon. In other words I had to use the coupon at the time of the sale. I definitely thought these rules were for the convenience of the Sears salesman rather than for the customer's benefit. I pursued the restocking fee and got my salesman to agree that if the mg9 did not pick up as many stations as my DTV I could bring it back with no restocking fee. When I finally bought the mg9 the salesman had to consult with multiple managers to see how to credit the coupon. When it finally went through and credited for $40 I heard the salesman who was still on the line with his manager say that his computer was not asking me for identification. Apparently the manager would have preferred me to positively ID myself!

Talk about the third degree! It sounds like some stores may ask for ID when you purchase. This must be to disallow use of coupons purchased from others on ebay. I wonder if those ebay sellers realize they are probably selling those coupons illegally? I wonder if ebay buyers realize they may run into problems with the Fed when they redeem someone elses coupon.

NTIA changed their rules so you can give coupons to friends and family and neighbors.

I would of told Sears to STFU

ID also clearly stated, not necessary:


FAQ #274:
Do I need to see the customer's ID when they present the coupon?
No.

K-Mart at Central Ave and Rt 155 in Colonie, NY just got some more in...4 left now :)

I got this unit (G9) for my mother who has a real old tube TV. I wasn't expecting much...I wasn't expecting it to work at all as her analog reception was not very good.

I plugged it in, hooked up the rabbit ears, and fired it up. Went through the setup and, as I watched it appear to find channels in the autoscan, I wondered if it might actually work.

It worked great! There is only one channel (ch 45.1...local CW affiliate) that's questionable, so mom will have to do without wrestling :p.

I used the signal strength indicator to tweak the attenna position and moved through the channels with the signal indicator displayed until I was satisfied.

Wow, picture is crystal clear...even my mom noticed that. A bunch of extra channels (3 24-hour weather channels) a "TV Land" type retro channel, more PBS channels, etc. Nice.

I experimented with both letterbox and zoom modes and left it on zoom. Zoom chops the sides of widescreen modes acceptably.

Remote is crappy and I limited the tutorial for her to the power and channel up/down buttons. The EPG is okay, I guess (looks ahead about 5 hours I think, see here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13705563#post13705563)), but nothing to write home about. But, it is nice to see the title of the current program as you surf the channels.

Based on my two hours of experience, I would recommend it.

-Rick

I just bought 2 Magnavox TB100MG9's and neither one pulls any type of signal. I know I have it hooked in right and I have tried 3 different antennas. I have a HDTV TV with a digital tuner and I can pull all 5 of our locals perfect but when using these new boxes then it does not pull any signal. I know they are hooked up correctly also and I called Magnavox and they went through all the standard setup steps and still nothing then he checked with a supervisor. Well the supervisor said since not all channels are broadcasting in digital until February of 2009 that there is nothing they can do. I think I will take them back to Sears because they are obviously dead units.

I just bought 2 Magnavox TB100MG9's and neither one pulls any type of signal. I know I have it hooked in right and I have tried 3 different antennas. I have a HDTV TV with a digital tuner and I can pull all 5 of our locals perfect but when using these new boxes then it does not pull any signal. I know they are hooked up correctly also and I called Magnavox and they went through all the standard setup steps and still nothing then he checked with a supervisor. Well the supervisor said since not all channels are broadcasting in digital until February of 2009 that there is nothing they can do. I think I will take them back to Sears because they are obviously dead units.

I have same BOX. Check TVfool.com If your using an indoor antenna. Any station over 15 miles away does not pick up for me either. Check to see how far the stations are. Are you using an indoor? If so the Zenith is supposed to be more sensitive.

I have same BOX. Check TVfool.com If your using an indoor antenna. Any station over 15 miles away does not pick up for me either. Check to see how far the stations are. Are you using an indoor? If so the Zenith is supposed to be more sensitive.

Yes it's an indoor antenna but the stations are all within 15 miles. It's strange that my new TV pulls all them in perfect but the same antenna will not get a signal on this box. I hope I can return it because they mentioned that since I used the coupon that they can not return it and only exchange it. Well if it works when I take it there to test it then it will do me no good if I can't pick up any channels at home so they better take it back because I will not pay full price for a new box.

Yes it's an indoor antenna but the stations are all within 15 miles. It's strange that my new TV pulls all them in perfect but the same antenna will not get a signal on this box. I hope I can return it because they mentioned that since I used the coupon that they can not return it and only exchange it. Well if it works when I take it there to test it then it will do me no good if I can't pick up any channels at home so they better take it back because I will not pay full price for a new box.

What antennas you using?

Try a Terk -55 best indoor we ever tried

What antennas you using?

Try a Terk -55 best indoor we ever tried

I think it's some radio shack indoor antenna. I don't have a Terk -55 and not sure how much it is. I guess I feel I shouldn't have to shell out more money to pull in local channels. I'm hopping it's just 2 bad boxes otherwise I'll have to look for a different model but I'm not sure if Sears sells any other models or not. I'll find out tomorrow if I get time to get there.

I think it's some radio shack indoor antenna. I don't have a Terk -55 and not sure how much it is. I guess I feel I shouldn't have to shell out more money to pull in local channels. I'm hopping it's just 2 bad boxes otherwise I'll have to look for a different model but I'm not sure if Sears sells any other models or not. I'll find out tomorrow if I get time to get there.
Ok I got good news and bad news for you. Which do you want first? Well I always want bad first. So here is the bad

1) Sears ONLY sells the new Magnavox G9 They just started. I was told that if they refuse to give you back full $50 your $10 plus $40 coupon. Try asking for store credit. One day you will use $100 at sears. I know sounds really bad. Since you wanted to just get 2 cheap boxes. Since they are new at this. Just started a week ago. They might make a mistake and refund ya.

2) The Terk-55 goes for $99 retail and on Amazon I seen it for $60 or $65.

I can tell you with the older Terk-50 Not made anymore. Had it for 9 years lol $10 per year free TV. Not bad. My aunt gets 13 Stations and 11 Subs. ToTAL 24.

Since Sensitivity seems to be your problem. I would try the Zenith. This box has issues also. So look for the April made date on the bOX. That is the newest made.

Your other choice is to get a BOX with Smart Antenna. Like RCA. The Antenna for indoors are not made yet but I think maybe end of this year??

The Terk-55 does not look like any antenna you ever bought. It is a VEry long (5 foot) Stick. Don't feel bad the Terk 50 is 6 foot lol.
My aunt yelled at me when I brought it. NOT IN MY HOUSE (Big Stick) Well I hooked it up and she loves it to this day

Ok I got good news and bad news for you. Which do you want first? Well I always want bad first. So here is the bad

1) Sears ONLY sells the new Magnavox G9 They just started. I was told that if they refuse to give you back full $50 your $10 plus $40 coupon. Try asking for store credit. One day you will use $100 at sears. I know sounds really bad. Since you wanted to just get 2 cheap boxes. Since they are new at this. Just started a week ago. They might make a mistake and refund ya.

2) The Terk-55 goes for $99 retail and on Amazon I seen it for $60 or $65.

I can tell you with the older Terk-50 Not made anymore. Had it for 9 years lol $10 per year free TV. Not bad. My aunt gets 13 Stations and 11 Subs. ToTAL 24.

Since Sensitivity seems to be your problem. I would try the Zenith. This box has issues also. So look for the April made date on the bOX. That is the newest made.

Your other choice is to get a BOX with Smart Antenna. Like RCA. The Antenna for indoors are not made yet but I think maybe end of this year??

The Terk-55 does not look like any antenna you ever bought. It is a VEry long (5 foot) Stick. Don't feel bad the Terk 50 is 6 foot lol.
My aunt yelled at me when I brought it. NOT IN MY HOUSE (Big Stick) Well I hooked it up and she loves it to this day

Thanks for the information. I don't care what Sears gives me as long as I have something that works or if they give me each 40 dollar coupon then I'll be happy too. I'm hoping that I somehow got 2 bad boxes but the chances of that are slim but if they are new models then it's a possibility. I do have a satellite but not on all TV's as we don't watch those that often so locals are fine on the other 3 TV's. I wish the government offered 3 coupons and not 2. I should have had my wife submit for a coupon before we got married so we could have had 3 so all of our TV's would have been covered. I'll find out tomorrow if these are bad boxes from Sears.

GrandMstrBud

Sorry to hear about the problems with your converter boxes. I bought one from K-Mart (Sears and K-Mart have the same model where I live.) for testing and have been favorably impressed. As far as sensitivity, the box picks up stations over 75 miles away (with an outside antenna). Of course it is possible you got two dead boxes but I wonder if there isn't a simple thing that has been overlooked.

I've heard of some people that have had a problem because "RF out" was not selected (see setup menu).

GrandMstrBud

Sorry to hear about the problems with your converter boxes. I bought one from K-Mart (Sears and K-Mart have the same model where I live.) for testing and have been favorably impressed. As far as sensitivity, the box picks up stations over 75 miles away (with an outside antenna). Of course it is possible you got two dead boxes but I wonder if there isn't a simple thing that has been overlooked.

I've heard of some people that have had a problem because "RF out" was not selected (see setup menu).

I didn't get a chance today to take them back today but I will tomorrow. Yeah I had RF out selected along with trying every setting I could think of so if your having luck with it then I am hoping that it is 2 bad boxes.

Your other choice is to get a BOX with Smart Antenna. Like RCA. The Antenna for indoors are not made yet but I think maybe end of this year??In lieu of that, for an indoor antenna, you could try the Radio Shack 15-1892. Same idea.

I just bought 2 Magnavox TB100MG9's and neither one pulls any type of signal. I know I have it hooked in right and I have tried 3 different antennas. I have a HDTV TV with a digital tuner and I can pull all 5 of our locals perfect but when using these new boxes then it does not pull any signal. I know they are hooked up correctly also and I called Magnavox and they went through all the standard setup steps and still nothing then he checked with a supervisor. Well the supervisor said since not all channels are broadcasting in digital until February of 2009 that there is nothing they can do. I think I will take them back to Sears because they are obviously dead units.

Is it possible for you to connect the antenna (without moving it), used with your HDTV, into the Magnavox TB100MG9 so the CECB can be tested with the same input that works on your HDTV?

Is it possible for you to connect the antenna (without moving it), used with your HDTV, into the Magnavox TB100MG9 so the CECB can be tested with the same input that works on your HDTV?

Yes it is and I already tried that. I went to return it and they don't have any in stock. They did say they can only exchange it which is fine as long as I have one that works so now I guess I wait until they get some in stock.

Edit: Talk about perfect timing, Sears just called and they have 2 in stock.

Edit Again: Well I got them exchanged for 2 brand new ones and same exact problem. I only opened one but I would be willing to bet the other one is the same way.

GrandMstrBud

You mentioned that you have a satellite. Is your TV antenna connection passing through your satellite box? If so, it could be blocking the antenna signal. Are you connecting your TV antenna directly to the converter box and then out to the TV?

GrandMstrBud

You mentioned that you have a satellite. Is your TV antenna connection passing through your satellite box? If so, it could be blocking the antenna signal. Are you connecting your TV antenna directly to the converter box and then out to the TV?

No it's not going through the satellite at all. I've tried this on 3 TV's that are not hooked to a satellite.

Yesterday I bought a Magnavox TB100MG9 at Sears.
1) inserted batteries into CECB Remote.
2) I plugged our 'house antenna' (Attic Antenna=>'Homerun' in basement with amplifier=>
WallOutlet) into CECB Antenna In.
3) Connected the, provided, COAX cable from CECB Antenna Out to VCR Antenna In. (No Video-Audio cable is provided)
4) Powered up TV and VCR and set VCR to Ch3.
5) Plugged in CECB and powered up with CECB Remote. Let CECB Setup Wizard do its process.
It seemed to pick up all of the DTV channels, but I want to recheck that.
This CECB has no volume control, so I used the VCRs remote to adjust the TV volume.

I could not find a way to 'PassThrough' Analog channels, so I phoned (800)605-8610.
Their initial response was 'you cannot do that', but I persisted: 'It says so on the box'. They consulted, then guided me through the 'Selecting RF OUT Channel' on page 19 of the manual. There was a pause, the screen 'went snowy', then solid blue. I was then able to use the VCR remote to select analog channels. The CECB must remain 'powered on' to watch the analog programming.

To switch back to digital programming, you merely reset the VCR to Ch3 and hold the CECB remote 'Setup' button down for more than 3 seconds.

This use of the 'setup' button seems to only work one way. To go analog again, I had to repeat the 'Selecting RF OUT Channel' process all over again. (Maybe I should press the 'Setup' button immediately after 'OKing' the 'Yes' I am sure, rather than just wait for the screen to go snowy, then blue.)

After wasting on coupon purchasing a DTV converter box without analog passthrough, I used my last coupon at Sears yesterday for a Magnavox TB100MG9. I needed the analog passthrough because there are only two digital stations where I live; the other stations are broadcast through a translator with no digital signal. We have a fairly old TV and funky DVD/VCR player, no cable, no satellite. (Not a big TV watcher, but we do watch occasionally.)

After fighting my way through various ways of connecting, I settled on the following:

I set the TV (Sony) to 'channel fix at Video 1"

I linked the antenna (15 year old rooftop antenna) to the Magnavox DTV converter, out to my combo DVD/VCR player, and then out to the TV. The Magnavox is connected by both AV cables and the RF cable. I set the Magnavox to RF through, and then did an auto search to get the two stations. I then set the DVD/VCR player to auto detect the analog channels.

So, with the Magnavox and DVD/VCR player on, I get the digital stations on Video1, and all the analog stations on the usual channels. To switch digital stations, I use the Magnavox remote (not a big deal at this point since we really only watch one of the two); to switch analog I use the DVD/VCR remote.

The whole system is stupidly clunky but I don't need to reset to Channel 3 as previous posts have described.

My question is: would changing the antenna help and does the quality of the RF cables really make a difference?

My two VCR-TV combinations have only COAX RF connections. So I am probably stuck with the clunky 'Selecting RF OUT Channel' method.

I do plan to exchange my other CECB ,Zenith DTT900, for a Zenith DTT901. It is supposed to be available in a couple weeks. Oh Oh, I see it is not on 'the list' yet.

It's good to see a few are having luck with this DTV converter box. I'm so frustrated over the whole deal because I'm out 2 coupons and about $28 bucks because they flat out do not work. So I think I am SOL because that's the only model Sears sells so I guess I'll keep taking them back once a month to get 2 new ones until they get a better model or something. I did write to dtv2009.org so we'll see what that does.

Anyone know the Remote Codes for this box if I want to use a Sony universal remote?

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Well I got a reply from dtv2009.org and they pretty much said they logged my issue. I did go and buy one of the digital converters from Radio Shack and the exact same thing happened so it's not a model issue and probably not a converter issue. I have no idea what to do now because I'm out the $28 plus 2 coupons. I've done some asking of the local stations and they have done some testing and some have had similar issues with certain converters and other ones worked. When I was at Sears I was talking to one of the workers and he said he has had other come back saying it didn’t work also so they exchanged them also. What has me is the fact that all my antennas work on my new TV but not on the converter boxes. I see some people suggestion on buying a certain antenna but how much more money do I have to fork out for a change that is done by the government? Maybe now they should offer an antenna coupon but as it stands it looks like I will be without local programming next year in February.

Well I got a reply from dtv2009.org and they pretty much said they logged my issue. I did go and buy one of the digital converters from Radio Shack and the exact same thing happened so it's not a model issue and probably not a converter issue. I have no idea what to do now because I'm out the $28 plus 2 coupons. I've done some asking of the local stations and they have done some testing and some have had similar issues with certain converters and other ones worked. When I was at Sears I was talking to one of the workers and he said he has had other come back saying it didn’t work also so they exchanged them also. What has me is the fact that all my antennas work on my new TV but not on the converter boxes. I see some people suggestion on buying a certain antenna but how much more money do I have to fork out for a change that is done by the government? Maybe now they should offer an antenna coupon but as it stands it looks like I will be without local programming next year in February.
I didn't read through the whole thread, so maybe you addressed this. When you have the box hooked up, do you get static or a black screen?

I see you mentioned going through setup, so I'll assume black screen. If you turn on pass-through, can you then tune the TV and pick up analog channels?

On your TV where it works, is there a signal meter? Does it show 70%+ on any channel but that channel does not work on CECB? You did the autoscan and it picked up nothing at all?

Yesterday I bought a Magnavox TB100MG9 at Sears.
1) inserted batteries into CECB Remote.
2) I plugged our 'house antenna' (Attic Antenna=>'Homerun' in basement with amplifier=>
WallOutlet) into CECB Antenna In.
3) Connected the, provided, COAX cable from CECB Antenna Out to VCR Antenna In. (No Video-Audio cable is provided)
4) Powered up TV and VCR and set VCR to Ch3.
5) Plugged in CECB and powered up with CECB Remote. Let CECB Setup Wizard do its process.
It seemed to pick up all of the DTV channels, but I want to recheck that.
This CECB has no volume control, so I used the VCRs remote to adjust the TV volume.

I could not find a way to 'PassThrough' Analog channels, so I phoned (800)605-8610.
Their initial response was 'you cannot do that', but I persisted: 'It says so on the box'. They consulted, then guided me through the 'Selecting RF OUT Channel' on page 19 of the manual. There was a pause, the screen 'went snowy', then solid blue. I was then able to use the VCR remote to select analog channels. The CECB must remain 'powered on' to watch the analog programming.

To switch back to digital programming, you merely reset the VCR to Ch3 and hold the CECB remote 'Setup' button down for more than 3 seconds.

This use of the 'setup' button seems to only work one way. To go analog again, I had to repeat the 'Selecting RF OUT Channel' process all over again. (Maybe I should press the 'Setup' button immediately after 'OKing' the 'Yes' I am sure, rather than just wait for the screen to go snowy, then blue.)

I retried the digital <=> analog again. I have not achieved any breakthroughs for that process.

This is not a friendly implementation of Analog PassThru!

It seems to be built with the attitude 'Here is Digital, I will let you peek at that old fashion Analog and let you pop back to Digital to stay!'

Fortunately there remains only one channel that is hiding its DTV signal under a basket (Ice Bridge).

Well I got a reply from dtv2009.org and they pretty much said they logged my issue. I did go and buy one of the digital converters from Radio Shack and the exact same thing happened so it's not a model issue and probably not a converter issue. I have no idea what to do now because I'm out the $28 plus 2 coupons. I've done some asking of the local stations and they have done some testing and some have had similar issues with certain converters and other ones worked. When I was at Sears I was talking to one of the workers and he said he has had other come back saying it didn’t work also so they exchanged them also. What has me is the fact that all my antennas work on my new TV but not on the converter boxes. I see some people suggestion on buying a certain antenna but how much more money do I have to fork out for a change that is done by the government? Maybe now they should offer an antenna coupon but as it stands it looks like I will be without local programming next year in February.
Have you tried bring your converter box to a friend's house and seeing if he can get it to work? If it does work there, at least you can rule out the defective box explanation. Also, maybe by having your friend try it maybe you'll notice something you've overlooked when you tried it at home.

I have tried everything from 3 different antennas at home and bring a box with me out of town and trying it at a hotel and yes that town did broadcast 2 channels in digital and the signal meter showed "0" and would not budge. Yes I can get analog channels even with the converter hooked up through the pass through. Now one Sears is trying to tell me basically I am SOL because I opened the box and they wouldn't even exchange it. I also took it to a friend’s house and still got a big fat "0" on the signal meter and yes it's all hooked up right and we can see the menu just fine. I wrote a nice long letter to Sears about this and if they don't do anything then I guess I’ll have to get the BBB involved because this is ridicules and I'm wasting too much time and gas returning these things. I just want to get my coupons back and my $28 so I can get a different brand.

I have tried everything from 3 different antennas at home and bring a box with me out of town and trying it at a hotel and yes that town did broadcast 2 channels in digital and the signal meter showed "0" and would not budge. Yes I can get analog channels even with the converter hooked up through the pass through. Now one Sears is trying to tell me basically I am SOL because I opened the box and they wouldn't even exchange it. I also took it to a friend’s house and still got a big fat "0" on the signal meter and yes it's all hooked up right and we can see the menu just fine. I wrote a nice long letter to Sears about this and if they don't do anything then I guess I’ll have to get the BBB involved because this is ridicules and I'm wasting too much time and gas returning these things. I just want to get my coupons back and my $28 so I can get a different brand. Today's Sears does not live by the "Satisfaction Guaranteed or Your Money Back" philosophy. It's unfortunate that your TB100MG9 isn't properly functional, it's worse that Sears is treating you shabbily. Next time, join the millions of former Sears shoppers who no longer shop at Sears.

Today's Sears does not live by the "Satisfaction Guaranteed or Your Money Back" philosophy. It's unfortunate that your TB100MG9 isn't properly functional, it's worse that Sears is treating you shabbily. Next time, join the millions of former Sears shoppers who no longer shop at Sears.

I am not so sure it is just Sears. When I bought my Magnavox TB100MG9, the coupon was 'converted' to a 'gift card'. The extra $14 to make up the difference in price was also 'converted' to a 'gift card' to complete the purchase.

When I tried to take it back for some type of credit. The Sears personnel tried to process a return using the receipts I had, but they were surprised when the register rejected it as a 'non-returnable' item! They were quite courteous and apologetic. 'This sale was final!'

CC will not permit an exchange of a Zenith DTT900 for a Zenith DTT901.

I am not so sure it is just Sears. When I bought my Magnavox TB100MG9, the coupon was 'converted' to a 'gift card'. The extra $14 to make up the difference in price was also 'converted' to a 'gift card' to complete the purchase.

When I tried to take it back for some type of credit. The Sears personnel tried to process a return using the receipts I had, but they were surprised when the register rejected it as a 'non-returnable' item! They were quite courteous and apologetic. 'This sale was final!' When I was growing up in the late 1960s and 1970s, my parents regularly bought a lot of household goods, clothing, home furnishings, home appliances and TVs at Sears. Sears emphasized the motto "Satisfaction Guaranteed or Your Money Back", and they really honored that standard.

The "Satisfaction Guaranteed or Your Money Back" policy was a fundamental core value of Sears Roebuck when it was the largest volume, #1 retailer in America - from the 1940s through the 1970s. Sears has abandoned those principles in recent years, particularly after its bizarre takeover by the formerly-bankrupt KMart (now dba "Sears Holdings Company"). Even so, what you've described (classifying a CECB purchase as a totally non-refundable "final sale") suggests that today's Sears stores are even worse at customer relations than I had thought.
CC will not permit an exchange of a Zenith DTT900 for a Zenith DTT901. CC may permit a return of a product within a 30 day window, but unfortunately their return policies aren't as customer-friendly as Wal*Mart. Like you, I am disappointed we can't exchange DTT900s for a DTT901, but at least I know that I did have a 30-day window to exchange for another DTT900. That is 100% better than the anti-consumer policy at Sears.

When I tried to take it back for some type of credit.  The Sears personnel tried to process a return using the receipts I had, but they were surprised when the register rejected it as a 'non-returnable' item!Sometimes the diffidence and pessimism that color every move in my life pay off.  I made a straight credit-card charge for an MG9 at Sears, intending to exchange it for itself with a coupon if I liked it.  When the clerk told me about the restocking fee -- which would not be charged if I returned it unopened, or if I exchanged it for itself with the coupon, since in those cases they'd not be doing any restocking -- I bought it anyway to think it over but never got the nerve to open it.

KMart also had it a few days later, and they told me there would be no restocking fee just because I had opened the box if I returned it complete and undamaged.  So I bought one there and returned the first one to Sears, still unopened, no coupon or gift card involved, and had no trouble getting a full refund at Sears.

The MG9 didn't thrill me, but figuring on not finding any other model with passthrough before my remaining coupon expired, I took it back to KMart and exchanged it for itself, using the coupon.

The MG9 that I returned to Sears surely was sold to someone else who is probably very happy with it.

Sometimes the diffidence and pessimism that color every move in my life pay off. I made a straight credit-card charge for an MG9 at Sears, intending to exchange it for itself with a coupon if I liked it. When the clerk told me about the restocking fee -- which would not be charged if I returned it unopened, or if I exchanged it for itself with the coupon, since in those cases they'd not be doing any restocking -- I bought it anyway to think it over but never got the nerve to open it.

KMart also had it a few days later, and they told me there would be no restocking fee just because I had opened the box if I returned it complete and undamaged. So I bought one there and returned the first one to Sears, still unopened, no coupon or gift card involved, and had no trouble getting a full refund at Sears.

The MG9 didn't thrill me, but figuring on not finding any other model with passthrough before my remaining coupon expired, I took it back to KMart and exchanged it for itself, using the coupon.

The MG9 that I returned to Sears surely was sold to someone else who is probably very happy with it.

I am not at all happy with the Magnavox TB100MG9! The Analog PassThrough is a farce!

You go through the menu process on page 19 to switch to analog mode and while in analog mode, you may hold down the [setup] button to return to digital mode. But, to get back to analog mode you are required to go through the menu process, again!

These CECBs are NOT Craftsman Tools!

I am concluding that with all of these CECBs 'All Sales are Final!' and you cannot take one back honestly stating you do not want it, it does not meet your needs. This 'deal' is bring out less than best behavior in a lot of places.

I am not at all happy with the Magnavox TB100MG9! The Analog PassThrough is a farce!Agreed.  A sensible implementation would have had it as a one-button toggle on the remote (zoom and signal strength should also have buttons on the remote, yet they don't, while the perfectly useless "still" function does) and would also have passthrough in effect whenever the unit is in standby mode.

Well I was able to return yet 2 more of these back to Sears for 2 more brand new ones. I don't know if I should open them or not. Since Magnavox thinks they won't work until February 2009 I am tempted to hold on to it but come February when it still does not work then I will not be able to exchange it at Sears. I guess I'll keep returning these once per month that way I stay within the 30 day window so come February they can't use that excuse anymore. I'm glad I have a Sears on my way to work so I'm not really wasting any gas so I guess I'll make a monthly stop at sears until February.

I don't understand why they make this passthrough thing so hard either. Did your old VCR not passthrough the antenna signal to the TV just by turning it off? Seems like that would be the easiest way to implement it, but I guess they've gotten too fancy with the circuitry now.

I don't understand why they make this passthrough thing so hard either. Did your old VCR not passthrough the antenna signal to the TV just by turning it off? Seems like that would be the easiest way to implement it, but I guess they've gotten too fancy with the circuitry now.While it would be nice not to have to go through the menus to enable passthrough, there is one advantage to having it available while the unit is on: you can pass the RF input out the RF output and send a digital channel tuned by the MG9 out the RCA connectors at the same time, feeding two downstream devices.

That's not possible with the passthrough implementation in the Digital Stream DTX9950.  (Its passthrough is on only when the unit is on standby, and the passthrough key on the remote does virtually the same thing as the power key.)

While it would be nice not to have to go through the menus to enable passthrough, there is one advantage to having it available while the unit is on: you can pass the RF input out the RF output and send a digital channel tuned by the MG9 out the RCA connectors at the same time, feeding two downstream devices.

That's not possible with the passthrough implementation in the Digital Stream DTX9950. (Its passthrough is on only when the unit is on standby, and the passthrough key on the remote does virtually the same thing as the power key.)

The analog [VCR-TV] sets I am trying to 'convert' are RF COAX only. So my Magnavox TB100MG9 'All Sales Final' CECB provides no advantage.

The analog [VCR-TV] sets I am trying to 'convert' are RF COAX only. So my Magnavox TB100MG9 'All Sales Final' CECB provides no advantage."No advantage" is putting it very mildly.  It's a big drawback for your setup, just as you were saying in post #94 above (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14055619#post14055619).

I'm assuming that some of the stations you watch will remain analog-only after 2009-02-17.  [If all stations that CV watches will be available digitally after that date, it would be less of a problem: (s)he could disconnect the MG9 until then and, come that day, reconnect and not need passthrough.]

"No advantage" is putting it very mildly. It's a big drawback for your setup, just as you were saying in post #94 above (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14055619#post14055619).

I'm assuming that some of the stations you watch will remain analog-only after 2009-02-17. [If all stations that CV watches will be available digitally after that date, it would be less of a problem: (s)he could disconnect the MG9 until then and, come that day, reconnect and not need passthrough.]

One of our frequently watched analog stations cannot or will not move their antenna up onto the the nearby tower. All of our other stations of interest have very good DTV signals.

I just had a lengthy call with a very courteous support person. She learned and I confirmed that the [setup] button(3 seconds) toggles between Ch3 and Ch4 for the digital signal into the VCR/TV. The only way to receive Analog signals is to use the menu to select RF Out/RF Through, then select your channel with the VCR/TV controller.

Zenith DTT901 does Analog PassThrough much better! (accomplished by either CECB power off or unplugged)

I just had a lengthy call with a very courteous support person. She learned and I confirmed that the [setup] button(3 seconds) toggles between Ch3 and Ch4 for the digital signal into the VCR/TV. The only way to receive Analog signals is to use the menu to select RF Out/RF Through, then select your channel with the VCR/TV controller.



Actually, the Magnavox will also pass RF when the power is off. You may need to re-run the initial set up, and chose AUDIO via RF during the selection process. Chose EXIT when you get to the choice to re-scan channels. At that point the box will pass RF with the power off.


Regarding return policy. ALL retailers are prohibited from accepting RETURNS of CECB's. This is because there is no method to refund the $40 to the Government, and in effect the retailer is keeping the Governments $40 if they accepp your box as a return and they do not deliver another CECB to you on the spot! EXCHANGES are allowed because you are still getting a CECB to offset the $40 the retailer received from the NTIA program.

If you bought a box without using the $40 coupon, there is not any law prohibiting the return. Sears policy states no refund if purchased with the $40 coupon. This is clearly disclosed on the sign in the store, and also printed on the receipt. If you paid the full price (no coupon) you can return the box, but all other policies regarding time or restocking still apply.

CC will not permit an exchange of a Zenith DTT900 for a Zenith DTT901.

Wrong I had no problem doing that. On the last day too. I just explained the 900 had a audio problem (chirping) and I wanted a box that worked. I explained Zenith knew of this problem and told me to go exchange it

CC will not permit an exchange of a Zenith DTT900 for a Zenith DTT901.

I returned a DTT900 to Circuit City in exchange for a DTT901 last Saturday evening...no hassles at all, it took less than five minutes.

Wrong I had no problem doing that. On the last day too. I just explained the 900 had a audio problem (chirping) and I wanted a box that worked. I explained Zenith knew of this problem and told me to go exchange it

you are right:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1032622&page=5
Zenith DTT901
06-18-08, 04:58 PM #141 cia_viewer

Actually, the Magnavox will also pass RF when the power is off. You may need to re-run the initial set up, and chose AUDIO via RF during the selection process. Chose EXIT when you get to the choice to re-scan channels. At that point the box will pass RF with the power off.
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Well, yes it did 'pass RF', BUT at greatly reduced signal. Some channels were lost by attenuated signals.

Magnavox TB100MG9 seems very little better than the original Magnavox TB100MW9.

Actually, the Magnavox will also pass RF when the power is off.

Well, yes it did 'pass RF', BUT at greatly reduced signal. Some channels were lost by attenuated signals.

Sorry, Videoguy60467, but my experience is just like CIA_Viewer's.  With the power off, the MG9 passes the RF signal much more weakly.

you are right:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1032622&page=5
Zenith DTT901
06-18-08, 04:58 PM #141 cia_viewer

Just trying to help:D

Sorry, Videoguy60467, but my experience is just like CIA_Viewer's.* With the power off, the MG9 passes the RF signal much more weakly.

OK -
If your TV has a video input, you could also try a RF splitter to send analog to the tv.

I have tested multiple brands with pass-through, and I'm not seeing any difference between the Magnavox and others with the box off, but YMMV.

OK -
If your TV has a video input, you could also try a RF splitter to send analog to the tv.I'm not sure to whom Videoguy60467 was directing the second-person pronoun.  It could also have been the general "you," meant for the thread's readership at large and nobody in particular, but it was posted with a quote from me, so maybe it was for me.

In my own case, both A/V and RF from my MG9 go to my vintage 2003 NTSC-only VCR.  That way I can record from a digital channel and from one or more analog channels (leaving the MG9 turned on and RF output set for passthrough) without needing to stop home between events.

OK -
If your TV has a video input, you could also try a RF splitter to send analog to the tv.

I have tested multiple brands with pass-through, and I'm not seeing any difference between the Magnavox and others with the box off, but YMMV.
A splitter will definitely degrade the signal, so you gain little.
I can't speak for the Magnavox, but I can speak for the RCA and the Zenith. With the RCA there is definitely a difference between turning the box off (on standby) and unplugging it. I found no difference with the Zenith. For those of you who are using the term "power off," are you referring to standby mode or an unplugged state? Unplugging the unit or switching off power to the plug is the only way to "power off" any converter box. The switch just places it in standby mode.

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In my own case, both A/V and RF from my MG9 go to my vintage 2003 NTSC-only VCR.* That way I can record from a digital channel and from one or more analog channels (leaving the MG9 turned on and RF output set for passthrough) without needing to stop home between events.
With the RCA and Zenith, unless you run the RF cable through the VCR first, there is no was to do this without a splitter. The problem with running the cable through the VCR first is the line outputs from the box have to go into the VCR. If I'm not mistaken, the only way to pass the line input through the VCR out to the TV would be to have the VCR turned on and tuned to the line input. Also, if you forget to turn the VCR off, the converter box would only receive channel 3 or 4 as created by the VCR.

My Magnavox TB100MG9 has the very klutzy Analog Pass Through:
Stepping through the menu is the only to achieve the Analog Pass Through.

I wonder if later versions or the Magnavox TB100MG9 allow it to work by: simply powering off?

I was talking to someone who has one that does this straight forward switch to analog. He was not sure of the model number, but I have only seen the Magnavox TB100MG9 and the earlier Magnavox TB100MW9 (which had no PassThru at all).

My s/n is U14846350.

Borrowed from a neighbor for a quick test. To sum it up;

1. The most unusual add/delete channel menu I have ever seen. You are actually adding or deleting the channel, not just 'hiding' it from surfing! When you delete the channel, it is gone untill you either rescan or re-add that channel.
2. Just as unusual 'add channel' procedure. A two step process within the menu. You can view the channel outside the menu (by pressing the physical number), but it isn't automatically 'added' to the list (as far as I remember).
3. Very slow channel changing (as slow as a TiVo like DVR).
4. The slowest responding signal indicator I have ever seen (even with professional test equipment that has to analyize the signal first before you see the results). I timed the initial reading to over 30 seconds untill the display settles down. AFAIC, this makes this pretty much useless for antenna aligning.
5. Cheap plastic case (no RF shielding) and lacklustered remote (compared to other CECB remotes).
6. I didn't even bother with that RF passthough deal.

Hey, if Kmart sells it, would you expect anything less? :)

it could be worse, it could be from Walmart. :mad:

Yeah, I guess the non-pass-through model that they sell could actually be considered worse.

At least Kmart is a lot easier to buy and return the box to and from than their sister store, Sears.

I guess the non-pass-through model that they sell could actually be considered worse.I was only referring to the store.

Actually, we've got a new Super Walmart that opened here last year, and it's a lot better than our old, dirty, barely shopped-at Kmart. But I admit, our old Walmart was even much worse, probably because it was over-shopped at, and hardly ever cleaned at all. Your feet stuck to the floors all the way through the store, and the aisles were only 5 feet wide. And all the third world shoppers had no manners or consideration at all when it came to taking up the whole width. Plus, all the taped-up returns all over the shelves were not such a pretty sight (at least I don't see that in the new one - it's also in a "better" area, and the class of shoppers is a lot more mixed).