Went by my Gamestop today (4-14) & they had a DFGT wheel in stock so I picked one up to replace the DFP I've been using since GT4 came out in 05.
I was kind of surprised it was in stock since I didn't think they would be out until the 30th.

The pedal assembly & the wheel mount appear to be identical to my DFP wheel it replaced.

The wheel is completely different though.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/TheMoose/Playstation%203/DSC02185.jpg
I won't go through every detail on the differences since most on here already know the differences but here is some high lights.
It has a PS button, it works in game but for some reason it doesn't work in the XMB.
The D pad, X,O,Triangle & Square buttons work in the XMB but the PS button does not... strange.
The wheel itself is larger in diameter but the grip is smaller & the rubber surrounding the wheel is harder than the DFP.

The wheel seems to be more precise than the DFP but then again it could be the difference between a new wheel & a wore out one.

The FFB is noticeably weaker than the DFP in both kickback & when you hit the rumble strips.
The DFP would pound pretty hard set on strong but the DFGT is weaker.
Now I have the FFB turned on & set to 10 but I'm not sure what the option above the on/off is since I'm still playing the Japanese version & maybe playing with one of those three settings will give it more punch, I'll have a better idea Thursday when I get the North American version of GT5P & set it up again.

The 2 green lights are gone & in it's place is a backlit GT symbol on the "Horn button", I think it looks nice with it lit up!
I'm disappointed they didn't do the back lighting on the X,O,Triangle, Square & PS buttons as well.
The "Horn button" however seems to have no function, once again this may be able to be fixed with the NA version which I can actually read!!

The D pad, X,O,Triangle & Square buttons have a stronger spring in them, this could be that my old wheel was wore out but the brake & accelerator pedals seem to have the same spring tension as the DFP did.

Now the fun part...the real time adjustments!
They are neat but can be distracting so practice with it offline first!
I was in such a hurry to play with the new wheel I didn't set everything up right in the QT menu so when I realized my brakes weren't right & just clicked it on & adjusted then on the fly, same thing with the center differential on the Nissan GT-R.
It's a cool addition!

I wish they would have upgraded the pedals & gave the wheel more "heft" as well as made it thicker.

All in all it's a great replacement for my wore out DFP & I'm betting there will be a wireless G25 version of this wheel released with the full GT5.

Sounds good. I want one of these. (never used a wheel before)

Me either. How many nickels and dimes for this puppy?

Is this new wheel compatible with GT4 as well?

Me either. How many nickels and dimes for this puppy?

$149.99

Is this new wheel compatible with GT4 as well?

I have no idea.
I gave my PS2 & GT4 to a friend so I can't try it.

I have no idea.
I gave my PS2 & GT4 to a friend so I can't try it.

Darn, I still play GT4 on my PS3 and was curious to use this wheel for a while until full GT5 drops.

Darn, I still play GT4 on my PS3 and was curious to use this wheel for a while until full GT5 drops.

While all the new feature won't work on GT4 of course I see no reason it shouldn't work on GT4 in a PS3.
I thought you were using it in a PS2.:p

I posted this on the Logitech forum, but I thought I'd give it a shot here as well. And I did search here first too! ;)

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I apologize if this has been covered before. I searched and found nothing definitive.

I just bought my first wheel - the Driving Force GT. I've only used it with GT5P. I'm wondering if others can give me their impression of what force feedback feels like. Sometimes I feel a slight pressure against the direction I'm steering. Other times it feels very 'ratchety' - many quick on/off pulses I guess.

It doesn't feel bad, just not exactly what I was expecting. I want to make sure the wheel I've got is acting correctly.

Thanks!

What is the outside diameter of this wheel?

I need one of these...

What is the outside diameter of this wheel?

Diameter is listed as 11".

I posted this on the Logitech forum, but I thought I'd give it a shot here as well. And I did search here first too! ;)

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I apologize if this has been covered before. I searched and found nothing definitive.

I just bought my first wheel - the Driving Force GT. I've only used it with GT5P. I'm wondering if others can give me their impression of what force feedback feels like. Sometimes I feel a slight pressure against the direction I'm steering. Other times it feels very 'ratchety' - many quick on/off pulses I guess.

It doesn't feel bad, just not exactly what I was expecting. I want to make sure the wheel I've got is acting correctly.

Thanks!
How do you have it setup in the options menu?
I have power steering off & FFB to 10 & I'm getting good feedback.

The FFB is noticeably weaker than the DFP in both kickback & when you hit the rumble strips.
The DFP would pound pretty hard set on strong but the DFGT is weaker.
Now I have the FFB turned on & set to 10 but I'm not sure what the option above the on/off is since I'm still playing the Japanese version & maybe playing with one of those three settings will give it more punch, I'll have a better idea Thursday when I get the North American version of GT5P & set it up again.
So what was the setting, and did it affect FFB?

Hey fellas... If you have a Fry's near you, they are on sale (http://shop4.outpost.com/product/5545010?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG)right now for $129 instead of $150 (it is sold out online). I'm going to go to the Fry's stores around me right now and hope to snag one.

So what was the setting, and did it affect FFB?

I had the power steering set to on, I turned it off & it seemed the FFB was a bit stronger.
But it's not as strong as the DFP was, but the DFP isn't as strong in GT5P as it was in GT4 so that may be a change in the FFB software.

I just measured my DFP to have a 10" diameter. I do wish it was a little bigger. Whats the G25?

OK, I got back from Fry's (Burbank, CA) and they had a palette of about twenty of them in the videogame section. They are tagged at $149 but ring up as $129 at the register. Get 'em while they're hot!

Does that stand come with it?

Does that stand come with it?

No, but I can sell you one for say... 50 clams? :D

It's the frame of a chair with the back sawed off from what I can see.

just tried my first race with the dfgt and i don't like it. i'll give it until sunday before i return it.

just tried my first race with the dfgt and i don't like it. i'll give it until sunday before i return it.

It took me some time getting used to a wheel and now it's all I use. Unless it is your Burnout/Need for speed style racers.

No, but I can sell you one for say... 50 clams? :D

It's the frame of a chair with the back sawed off from what I can see.

Exactly!
$1 at a garage sale!:D

I had the power steering set to on, I turned it off & it seemed the FFB was a bit stronger.
But it's not as strong as the DFP was, but the DFP isn't as strong in GT5P as it was in GT4 so that may be a change in the FFB software.

I think I figured something out. When you adjust the FFB in the options menu, it clearly says that it is for the DFPro, not the DFGT.

I think FFB is locked at one setting for this game with the DFGT, but could likely be adjustable in another game. That's why setting it at L10 doesn't feel as strong on the DFGT as it does on the Pro as you report (I only have the GT so I can't compare).

I think I figured something out. When you adjust the FFB in the options menu, it clearly says that it is for the DFPro, not the DFGT.

I think FFB is locked at one setting for this game with the DFGT, but could likely be adjustable in another game. That's why setting it at L10 doesn't feel as strong on the DFGT as it does on the Pro as you report (I only have the GT so I can't compare).

The DFP was a lot stronger, maybe that's why it's adjustable so you can turn it down to a more reasonable level.

It does seem to be missing a couple of cool G25 features but at the same time its $100 cheaper. Could be the perfect choice for alot of people that can't justify so much for a wheel setup.

Whatever you choose just get that controller out of your hands!

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Whatever you choose just get that controller out of your hands!

Im looking to do that. I need something fairly cheap (price wise) as I cant afford a $250 wheel. Is the DF Pro still sold new or will I have to find a used one somewhere?

Im looking to do that. I need something fairly cheap (price wise) as I cant afford a $250 wheel. Is the DF Pro still sold new or will I have to find a used one somewhere?

The DFP is still sold new but it's only $20 less than the new DFGT.

The DFP is still sold new but it's only $20 less than the new DFGT.

Got my DFP off amazon for $84.99 a couple of days ago (and free shipping) :).

Very happy with the purchase, although the real time adjustments would be cool...

No, but I can sell you one for say... 50 clams? :D

It's the frame of a chair with the back sawed off from what I can see.

Hmm, do you work for Monster Cable by any chance? ;)

Brandon

just tried my first race with the dfgt and i don't like it. i'll give it until sunday before i return it.

What don't you like about it? I'm very hesitant about getting a wheel because I've beaten 4 versions of Gran Turismo with a controller. I feel like I may be too accustomed to the controller to accept the nuances of the wheel. I'm positive I'd get used to it after a week or two but ...what can I say? I'm averse to change :o

Brandon

All this wheel talk has stirred my interest. I think I will get the Driving Force Pro as I'm on a budget. I found one locally on craigslist for $50- the guy says it has only been used a handful off times and is in mint condition. Seems pretty fair.

What I want to know is how that crappy looking metal cage is holding up during the gameplay? is it a stool base?

I am trying to find a base to put a wheel on , any suggestions on how I can get it done for cheap?

What I want to know is how that crappy looking metal cage is holding up during the gameplay? is it a stool base?

I am trying to find a base to put a wheel on , any suggestions on how I can get it done for cheap?

Hmmm, you make fun of my custom built wheel mount & you want suggestions?:rolleyes:

Well the "crappy looking metal cage" is holding up just fine after almost 3 years of use & it's not a stool base it's a metal chair with the back cut off.

As for getting it done cheap that "crappy looking metal cage" cost me $1 at a garage sale & about 5 minutes to modify.

the wheel feels like it's on a chain belt. you can feel each increment/click on every turn. the ff feels so so. i was expecting a arcade type of wheel. if i was on a budget, this would be great, but since i want the arcade feel, i'm willing to spend the extra $100 for a g25 if it has a arcade feel.

The DFP is still sold new but it's only $20 less than the new DFGT.

Is the DFGT compatible with any other games? The old DFP works for games like Burnout (minus features like the gear shift of course) but Logitech only lists GT as compatible with this one. I want to play GT5, but want to be able to play other racing games with it as well.

Hmmm, you make fun of my custom built wheel mount & you want suggestions?:rolleyes:


I, for one, like your chair mount.

Part 9 of this post (http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=103447) over at GT Planet has a nice review of the DFGT, and compares it to the G25 (his main wheel).

The short version is, the DFGT is an excellent wheel, though not quite as good as the G25. Of course, it only costs half as much. :) He also says that once dynamic track conditions start to appear, the on-wheel settings adjustments could make it the preferred wheel for GT.

Part 9 of this post (http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=103447) over at GT Planet has a nice review of the DFGT, and compares it to the G25 (his main wheel).

Can someone that has owned both the DFP and the new DFGT comment on the "self-centering". The review on GT Planet indicates the old DFP doesn't self-center but has a stronger force feedback? Thus I'm wondering which feels better (more realistic).

I only have an hour or so into the game and I have the DFP wheel. I initially had it set to simulation and wasn't happy with the feedback I was getting. Setting the game to professional really seemed to help. I didn't go back to simulation to double check the feedback but it may be something you want to check out for the GT wheel. It also seemed to me that the force feedback setting really changed the amount of resistance for turning the wheel than the actual rumble type feedback. Again, more time is needed. Another thing worth checking out for DFP owners is that I noticed somewhere in the settings or online manual, that "on the fly" adjustments can be mapped to buttons on the DFP wheel. I haven't tried this yet.

I, for one, like your chair mount.

+1...looks very effective (both cost and functionality) and can easily be put off the side when not in use ;).

I got it too, but the stand situation sucks.
If anyone finds a way to get a proper stand for it, it would be nice.

Sawing a chair is one way, but this thing is fairly heavy and needs to remain stable.

The DFP is still sold new but it's only $20 less than the new DFGT.

Knowing that and the fact that ive never used a wheel, which one would you recommend?

Can someone that has owned both the DFP and the new DFGT comment on the "self-centering". The review on GT Planet indicates the old DFP doesn't self-center but has a stronger force feedback? Thus I'm wondering which feels better (more realistic).

Seconded...this is the main reason I gave up on 900 degree wheels and went back to the simpler Driving Force wheels. The DFP wouldn't self-center, which made it feel totally "wrong" when driving...every race car felt like driving a bus having to madly move my hands back and forth across the wheel when in reality all you'd do is let go of the wheel a bit and let the car to the work for you.

If they haven't fixed this issue yet I dont think I'll go to a 900 degree wheel anytime soon again.

Knowing that and the fact that ive never used a wheel, which one would you recommend?

If you can afford it get the DFGT.
It's designed for GT5P with extra controls & the FFB isn't as tiring.

If you can afford it get the DFGT.
It's designed for GT5P with extra controls & the FFB isn't as tiring.

Sounds good. I know its a 900 degree wheel so does it self center? Ive read some people have problems with that.

I got the GT Driving Force Pro (GTDFP) this weekend. I was initially attracted to the GT25 because it has paddle shifters but was obviously turned off by the price tag. After seeing the GTDFP in use by the developers in GT5P game vids, and knowing how much thought has been put into the GT franchise, I figured the official wheel must still be pretty nice so I bought the GTDFP. I was presently surprized to find that it had buttons on the back of the wheel that act like the paddle shifters so I don't even use the stick.

The GTDFP my first wheel so I don't have any comparison, BUT, I ended up turning down the FFB. I haven't tried it on 10 but at 5 it seemed to be jerking out of my hands. I ended up with it set on four and, as sad as it might be, my forearms are actually sore today. If your on the fence and think that the amount of FFB is a problem I can assure you it's not.

I'm very hesitant about getting a wheel because I've beaten 4 versions of Gran Turismo with a controller. I feel like I may be too accustomed to the controller to accept the nuances of the wheel. I'm positive I'd get used to it after a week or two but ...
Brandon

I would say no buts about it... This is my 1st GT game and I played a couple of days with the controller and compared to the wheel experience it's very different. The wheel is very immersive and you really feel like your driving. I recommend it.

Can someone that has owned both the DFP and the new DFGT comment on the "self-centering". The review on GT Planet indicates the old DFP doesn't self-center but has a stronger force feedback? Thus I'm wondering which feels better (more realistic).


When you turn on the wheel it goes all the way on direction then all the way the other direction then returns to center... like its getting it's bearings.

I'm pretty sure that the self centering aspect relates to the fact that while turning, if you let go .. the wheel tracks back to center much like making a turn in a real car. ALTHOUGH... I noticed last night while running the reverse mountain course (forget the name) that it didn't track back fast enough on the tight right left right turns so I had to crank it over myself. In a real car I this feels like your being assisted by the self centering force. However on the PS3 wheel it felt like I was getting resistance ... like turning a motor over by hand. The wheel made a wind up/generator type noise that honestly didn't seem healthy.

I haven't owned both types of wheels. Do non self centering wheels do this initial self discovery? Are they resistive in a fast left right left?


I only have an hour or so into the game and I have the DFP wheel. I initially had it set to simulation and wasn't happy with the feedback I was getting. Setting the game to professional really seemed to help...

I'm not 100% positive but I don't think those settings have anything to do with the GTDFP wheel. While changing the the adjustment criteria, at the top of the screen there are 5 images of various wheel models. When using the adjustment Professional/amature/simulation, the images of GT25 & GTDFP models are grayed out. In contrast, when the 'Power Assist'(?) criteria is selected, the other three wheel models are grayed out. I'm not at home right now so I doubt I'm using the exact names of the fields but you hopefullt get the idea ... maybe I'll edit the post when I get home so it's more clear.

When you turn on the wheel it goes all the way on direction then all the way the other direction then returns to center... like its getting it's bearings.


What you are describing there, is a calibration that the hardware is doing with it's internal software. It is establishing what the limits of the wheel signals are and where the center is.

I think most users are wondering whether the wheel dynamically returns to center as you come out of a turn. You described that a bit, but no one else has said much about it.

What you are describing there, is a calibration that the hardware is doing with it's internal software. It is establishing what the limits of the wheel signals are and where the center is.

I think most users are wondering whether the wheel dynamically returns to center as you come out of a turn. You described that a bit, but no one else has said much about it.

Calibration is a better term than my "getting it's bearings". It does return to center on turns but if it doesn't return fast enough than it seems to work against you instead for you. Again, I only noticed this in one spot on one map where there were tight turns very close together.

Sounds good. I know its a 900 degree wheel so does it self center? Ive read some people have problems with that. What problems have you read? That it doesn't center ? Doesn't center well? Don't like it to center? Doesn't center fast enough ? - Just curious -

I'll have to try this myself but for folks with the wheel, have you gone into your car settings a switched it up to Professional instead of the default setting? Any difference in feedback using the wheel and this setting?

What problems have you read? That it doesn't center ? Doesn't center well? Don't like it to center? Doesn't center fast enough ? - Just curious -

Along the lines of doesnt self-center and/or doesnt do it fast enough.

...every race car felt like driving a bus having to madly move my hands back and forth across the wheel when in reality all you'd do is let go of the wheel a bit and let the car to the work for you.

If they haven't fixed this issue yet I dont think I'll go to a 900 degree wheel anytime soon again.

I could see how no self centering would seem like a bus... "madly move my hands back and forth" that is the feeling of the close together tight turns when it doesn't do it fast enough and you have to push it against the motor.


I'll have to try this myself but for folks with the wheel, have you gone into your car settings a switched it up to Professional instead of the default setting? Any difference in feedback using the wheel and this setting?

As I mentioned I don't think these settings doanything to the GT25 or DFP wheels. (Based on Grayed out Icons)

Along the lines of doesnt self-center and/or doesnt do it fast enough.

I wonder if this could be fixed with a GT5P update or if the return speed is at the limit of the wheels gearing or motor? It seems to me that the speed the wheel returns would be variable and dependent on your cars speed and the amount the wheels are turned (camber?). For instance, in real life the wheel would not return at all when your standing still and would begin to straighten as you pull away... I'm going to have to do some tests later tonight. I could have some updates later. Never gave it much thought yesterday ( first day of having wheel).

You definitely shouldn't have to do all of the turning to get it back to straight (to be realistic). I've never used a wheel, but are you guys saying that you can be in a turn, as you complete the turn, take your hands off the wheel, and the wheel angle won't drift (albeit slower than you might like) back to centerish?

I bought the DFP wheel, it was too cheap to pass up given the Walmart.com combo deal - $99 for GT5:P + DFP, search for item #9203970. So even if it doesn't self-center when coming out turns I guess I'll just deal with it. My boat doesn't self-center so its not like I can't drive without that feature ;)

You definitely shouldn't have to do all of the turning to get it back to straight (to be realistic). I've never used a wheel, but are you guys saying that you can be in a turn, as you complete the turn, take your hands off the wheel, and the wheel angle won't drift (albeit slower than you might like) back to centerish?


I would say that 99.97% of the time it returns fast enough. It's just that when it doesn't do it fast enough, it's a hairy part of the track and I'm fighting the wheel motor to get it back. Again I only noticed it on one track. It's the same track that was in the HD Demo. When your going forward on that track its the down hill portion with the tight turns. The race I noticed it was in the A class races when your running the track in the opposite direction.. it think it's the BMW M3 race... not 100% opositive though.

Remember when your a kid and there were those wind up cars that you wound up by pulling back on them several times? Now imagine one of those cars, you've wound it up, let it go, and the car has come to a complete rest. Now push it that car forward... the motor whines... it's kind of like that. The motor fights your forward progress.

I wouldn't say that it's a buy/non-buy point though. I think the wheel does make it a very real feeling sim especially sitting close to 1080.

I checked the Logitech forums and I didn't see any threads on the issue yet. If the wheel is returning as fast it possibly can, then it's a hardware issue and nothing can be done. If it can return faster than it's a software issue. In either case, the answer will probably have to come from either Polyphony Digital or some adventuous soul with a multi meter and an electronics background.

I had a couple problems with the LOgitech Driving Force PRo and GT4 that made me go back to the earlier wheels.

One was the non-centering issue. IF you were going into a turn and let go of the wheel and accellerated, you'd keep going in the direction the wheel was turned. Thats just wrong, its not what happens in real life wether you have powered or unpowered steering, its basic physics..........

Two were the steering ratios, they were all absurd. I'd have to turn the wheel a significant amount even to take simple turns. It made a racing car with TIGHT steering feel like I was driving a cadillac, having to do two hand-over-hand revolutions of the wheel just to take a casual right hand turn! "Huh?"......

So you combine the "really vague feeling turning" with the lack of auto centering, and every race it was you VERSUS the wheel.......totally no fun, and because I had the wheel that came out previously (the regular Driving Force), I had grown much more used to its tighter feel and its...270 degree steering. That at least made cars feel like they were set up for the track.

I dont know if the new Logitech wheels are the same way, but if that wheel doesn't snap back to center and still requires a SPORTS CAR to go hand-over-hand to take turns then I'd still think something is up.

I would guess this is a problem that people wont even notice unless they have had a non-FF wheel (that auto-centers thanks to the springs in the wheel) or a 270 degree wheel, that even if it doesn't auto-center means you aren't doing any hand-over-hand turns anyhow.....

I have the new wheel and prologue, and I'm pretty sure the "re-centering" effect some of you are describing is implemented. For example, on the tight hairpin corner of Suzuka, after turning the wheel to the left enough to complete the turn, I usually just let go and hit the gas and let the wheel slide through my hands until it centers itself.

I bought the DFP wheel, it was too cheap to pass up given the Walmart.com combo deal - $99 for GT5:P + DFP, search for item #9203970. So even if it doesn't self-center when coming out turns I guess I'll just deal with it. My boat doesn't self-center so its not like I can't drive without that feature ;)

Aww..man. I wanted this deal!! They are all sold out now. They have the DF EX though, for $88.00. Does anyone know how the Ex stacks up to the DFP?

I had a couple problems with the LOgitech Driving Force PRo and GT4 that made me go back to the earlier wheels... IF you were going into a turn and let go of the wheel and accellerated, you'd keep going in the direction the wheel was turned.

Two were the steering ratios, they were all absurd. I'd have to turn the wheel a significant amount even to take simple turns.

I dont know if the new Logitech wheels are the same way...

No on both instances... I did a little testing. The wheel will straighten out as you move forward. With no forward motion the wheel remains in place as it is in a real car. Also the amount of steering seems to be in place with the type of car your driving. Some you do seem to have to turn more than others but none are a hand over had situation.. unless I panic then I do it anyway;)

I dunno, on that mountain course with the crazy turns sometimes I have to go hand over hand.

Based on this review I will be sticking with my DFP, I cant see wasting another 149$ for limited improvement and even some steps backwards (less feedback)

The G25 is already better and this is the official GT5 wheel no?

no paddle shifters? fail.

no paddle shifters? fail.

What do you mean?
The DFGT has paddle shifters just like the DFP.

reefbone, there is a Power Steering option in the wheel config screens. Have you tried turning that off to see if it helps your self-centering issues?

The G25 is already better and this is the official GT5 wheel no?
The G25 is a higher quality wheel, but not only is it not the "official wheel," it's not even explicitly supported. (Though it does work under the DFP profile.)

The DFGT is the official wheel of Gran Turismo 5, made specifically by Logitech for the game.

The G25 is a higher quality wheel, but not only is it not the "official wheel," it's not even explicitly supported. (Though it does work under the DFP profile.)


Interestingly enough though, is that the G25 is listed in the manual as a supported wheel.

Brandon

Just a note from a G25 user- comments above state that the DFGT makes the whirring sound like the wind up car on the carpet. My old Driving force wheel made these same sounds during fast motions. The G25 does not. The wheel is very quiet. (Now the clicking in the shifter is annoying by not relevant to discussion.)
This makes me winder what the internal structure of the new DFGT is like. The G25 has two big motors in it. Does the DFGT share the same setup or is it similar to the older DFpro? I've played with a DFpro and didn't like the feel<-- subjective opinion. I love the G25 feel. It self centers very well and as mentioned I can release grrip on the wheel and let it zip around in my hands while coming out of a corner.

Considering the price difference between the DFGT and G25 i have to wonder where they saved all the money. Was the lack of separate shifter and lower quality pedals enough to make that price point (while adding the on-wheel adjustment features?) or did they have to use the lower quality internals in the wheel as well?

NOTE: I am in no way knocking the new DFGT wheel. I'm just wondering aloud what the internal differences are.

Based on this review I will be sticking with my DFP, I cant see wasting another 149$ for limited improvement and even some steps backwards (less feedback)

IMO There is more than enough feedback and self centering works well 99.97% of the time.

no paddle shifters? fail.

There are paddle like buttons on the back of the wheel that act like paddle shifters. Very glad I didn't blow $300 on the GT25 for paddles.

reefbone, there is a Power Steering option in the wheel config screens. Have you tried turning that off to see if it helps your self-centering issues?

The DFGT is the official wheel of Gran Turismo 5, made specifically by Logitech for the game.


I did try turning off the power steering but not in relation to the steering issue. Not sure power steering seems to do much. I believe I currently have it set to on. I did discover that I have good control (FWD) when braking and giving gas at the same time.... a controled slide but not true drifting.


The DFGT wheel allows you to change the cars tuning (yes tuning and not turning) on the fly.... The GT25 does not. I've also heard that the GT25 clutch need to be turned on somehow at the beginning of every race.

The DFGT wheel allows you to change the cars tuning (yes tuning and not turning) on the fly.... The GT25 does not. I've also heard that the GT25 clutch need to be turned on somehow at the beginning of every race.

Just an FYI, with the DFP, you can do the same thing (just need to assign the unused butotns to those functions)...

Yes, with the G25 you have to hit the top button on the shifter (triangle equivalent) at the start of every race to turn on the clutch. Yes, it is annoying but worth the hassel to have a clutch if you enjoy driving a manual as much as I do. Also, in manual mode you have to make sure you have the shifter in the same gear as the car when crossing the starting line or ....well....bad things happen sometimes resulting in a circular view of the scenery..... lol

I have a DFP and I have not used anything else but I am very pleased with it, great force feedback, feels tight. And to me it self centers really well. Yes in the tight S turns in the track that is in the demo will require effort and hand over hand but it feels pretty realistic to me. I imagine the G25 is better but I don't know how, ignorance is bliss :) My only tiny gripe is that I do wish the wheel was bigger, but you get used to it.

So the question is: do I loose anything going G25 over DFGT or DFP for GT4 on the PS2? Or for GT5 on the PS3? Seems to be GT's problem if their not going to fully support the best wheel out there. Not to mention being GT's problem for endorsing anything but the best.

I have the G25 attached to an Evolution Gaming Seat with the shifter attachment. Closest thing to going out to drive for real. LOve the G25, it was pricey but the shifter being where it should be clinched it for me. The real leather on the wheel and a clutch pedal was the other.

If you want the best pony up for a G25 ... if just 'having a wheel' is enough for you then buy whatever.

But don't buy a DFP or this 'official' GT wheel and try and play it off like it's 'just as good' as a G25. G25 owns the wheel market, it's #1 in it's class, bar none. Clamp it down to a Playseat and you have one of the best sim driving/racing cockpits any average joe can own and afford. (without selling your left leg, which isn't too bad for DFP users since they don't have a clutch anyhow! J/K!)

I dont think anyone is disputing G25 is the best wheel out there basically(it is).

I think its more the differences between DFP and newer GTDFP.

Frankly they didnt do enough to merit and upgrade IMO if you already own a DFP. And depending on pricing its a personal call if you are starting with no wheel at all and dont want to spend $ on a G25.

I cant see a dfp owner bothing to upgrade to this the only logical upgrade is the G25.

If you want the best pony up for a G25 ... if just 'having a wheel' is enough for you then buy whatever.

But don't buy a DFP or this 'official' GT wheel and try and play it off like it's 'just as good' as a G25. G25 owns the wheel market, it's #1 in it's class, bar none. Clamp it down to a Playseat and you have one of the best sim driving/racing cockpits any average joe can own and afford. (without selling your left leg, which isn't too bad for DFP users since they don't have a clutch anyhow! J/K!)

I'm glad you like the G25, I like the extra features of the DFGT.
The DFGT is an interim wheel for me, the G25 would have been too so I saved $100 by getting the DFGT.

When the full version of GT5 is released next year you know there will be a new wheel released at the same time, I'm betting it will be a wheel with the build quality of the G25 , the extra features of the DFGT & most likely it will be wireless, maybe even blutooth.
When I get that wheel my DFGT will be the extra for friends racing split screen & then I'll have the best wheel for GT5.

I cant see a dfp owner bothing to upgrade to this the only logical upgrade is the G25.

Well my DFP was wore out, that's why I bothered to get the DFGT.

When the full version of GT5 is released next year you know there will be a new wheel released at the same time, I'm betting it will be a wheel with the build quality of the G25 , the extra features of the DFGT & most likely it will be wireless, maybe even blutooth.
When I get that wheel my DFGT will be the extra for friends racing split screen & then I'll have the best wheel for GT5.


I don't see how they will pack in all those features without charging an arm and a leg... I mean the G25 is expensive but its not overpriced and they would have to get near $400 MSRP with all that.

I don't even know if they will release a new wheel... PD and Logitech target the "middle" market with their GT steering wheels, and that doesn't include people who spend $200+ on a wheel. I don't think they would brand a hugely expensive G25-level wheel with GT. The G25 is pretty much for people who have more money than they know what to do with and/or hardcore racing game fans.

Of course this is all speculation obviously. Saul's just being an ass too, though that is kind of obvious.

For those of you looking for a pretty decent wheel mount, read on.

I picked up a poratable power miter saw stand from Sears. It is heavy with a widely spread base that provides a very stable platform for the wheel. The legs fold up so that it is easy to store in a closet when you are not using it. The legs are too long out of the box, but I was able to lop off about 10" on each leg so that it just clears the arms of my chair.

I am at work now, but will post a couple of pictures when I get home later today. I think the cost was about $80 and I bought it during one of their tool sales and saved a few more. When I completed my theater and added reclining, connected theater chairs, I was worried that it might not work as well since I could not place it over the arms (to bring it closer to my body as I had been able to do with a single chair), but it did not turn out to be a problem. Left to right stability is excellent when turning, but if I get a little too excited I find that I sometimes need mroe front to back stability as I sometimes get the wheel and stand rotating forward and away form me. I am sure if I took a few minutes I could ad some type of forward brace or leg that would prevent this.

Overall, I am really happy with it as a wheel mounting solution.

Is this the one (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00922340000P?vName=Tools&cName=Bench+Power+Tools&sName=Stands+%26+Material+Support) you have?

I mean the G25 is expensive but its not overpriced and they would have to get near $400 MSRP with all that.

I, for one, think the G25 is overpriced. Its incremental feature set over the DFGT and moreso the DFP does not warrant the additional $100 or $170, respectively, IMO.

While it's very nice to have a functioning six-speed and clutch, the shifter is not particularly well done, IMO. It feels (and sounds) cheap; there is no weight or resistance to it. The best feature of the G25 is the pedals, namely the stiffer resistance in the brake pedal. There is still some play in on-center portion the steering wheel motion before force-feedback kicks in.

The G25 is pretty much for people who have more money than they know what to do with and/or hardcore racing game fans.

Affording the G25 isn't the issue, at least for me, it's whether or not the wheel is worth the additional premium over similar wheels. Nobody likes to pay more than they have to, regardless of wealth.

That's why I asked about the internal structure of the DFGT wheel. I would think that would address at least that comparison wheel to wheel ignoring the perhipherals, no?

Of course this is all speculation obviously. Saul's just being an ass too, though that is kind of obvious.

I'm being an ass am I? So giving my opinion, an educated one at that, is being an ass? Ok! Great thinking there.

Let me clue you in on something - I've been through a few 'wheels' in my days of gaming - from my first 'mad catz' wheel bought for me by my parents up to my G25 paid for with my hard earned money.

Speak to Brandon Crick @ Act Labs, I was a beta tester for the 1st Act Labs RS wheels, then I had the force RS and their shifter kit, I've owned a DFP too.

I also spen ALOT of time on real roads in real cars and trucks .... The G25 IS the best value in sim setups. Head and shoulders above the rest - easily!

I am of the opinion that if all you want is a DFP type wheel thats fine. I'm GLAD a person went out and bought a wheel, ANY wheel. These games should be played with a wheel of some sort. But don't even think for a second that your DFP holds a candle to the G25. Thats a joke. Especially those who haven't even owned both or even any other alternatives.

Your wheel will get the job done and thats great. But remember, theres some of us out there going deep into that corner - just ahead of you - actually slipping the clutch just before actually changing gears to pull away from you.

The G25 gets me 'closer' to 'real life' driving more then any other wheel I've ever owned, thats why "IMHO" it's the best wheel and why it is worth the extra coin to own it.

I agree with sentiments in this thread, you don't drop all that money on a G25+Playseat unless your serious, maybe even hardcore about racing games. But I fall into that group.

Hell, I bought a new PS3 just because my 1st PS3 died a week and a half before GT5 P launched in North America as I was worried Sony wouldn't get my broken one back in time for Day 1 racing.

In life you make sacrifices for the things you love - motorsport is one of my many loves and addictions.

P.S. Sorry for being an "Ass" again and restating my "opinion"! :rolleyes:

Yea Saul, you do sound pretty pompous and arrogant, talking down to DFP owners. I mean, you are name dropping some guy at some company nobody ever heard about or cares about... come on dude.

I am glad you like your G25.

BTW, I own one too. But not a PlaySeat, feel free to look down on me for that.

Yea Saul, you do sound pretty pompous and arrogant, talking down to DFP owners. I mean, you are name dropping some guy at some company nobody ever heard about or cares about... come on dude.

I am glad you like your G25.

BTW, I own one too. But not a PlaySeat, feel free to look down on me for that.

The point I'm trying to make is that I've OWNED a DFP. LOL. And I said over and over in my post .. as long as you have a wheel, ANY wheel .. it's a step in the right direction. It's just that IMHO G25 is the best of the best and comparing a DFP to it, by people who don't even own a G25 no less, isn't right. I'm not 'talking down' to anyone!

And seriously, you haven't heard of Act-Labs and their steering wheels? :confused:

So what do you use as a 'support' for your g25 bro?! :)

...you don't drop all that money on a G25+Playseat unless your serious, maybe even hardcore about racing games. But I fall into that group.

All that money? lol. I'll look for you on the Forbes list, Saul.

All that money? lol. I'll look for you on the Forbes list, Saul.Umm, > $1000 to control a video game is definitely "all that money." When you compare it to spending $100 for a wheel and a chair bottom off craigslist, then yeah, that's ALOT. To me anyway.

It's just that IMHO G25 is the best of the best and comparing a DFP to it, by people who don't even own a G25 no less, isn't right.

Why :confused:.

Obviously, it has a clutch and real shifter/shift pattern...but other then that what makes it so superior from your perspective? Is the build quality better, are the drive mechanisms in the wheel made of titanium...???

I have the dfp and absolutely love it. With that beings said, if I want to "closer" to real life driving, I'll hop in Tahoe and go speeding around the neighborhood (which causes problems of it's own :)).

But seriously, why Saul?

Umm, > $1000 to control a video game is definitely "all that money." When you compare it to spending $100 for a wheel and a chair bottom off craigslist, then yeah, that's ALOT. To me anyway.

G25 + Playseat = $500

While it's not pocket change, it's certainly not anything to get elitist about (not that it's ever a good idea to do so!)

All that money? lol. I'll look for you on the Forbes list, Saul.

Nice too see I'm not the only one in this thread who can make an ass of themselves. :p

Seriously though, IMHO, a 300$ wheel + a 300$ cockpit + a 500$ + a 50$ game is a little bit of money to steer virtual cars around on a 3000$ monitor with sound from your 1000$ reciever. LOL

But don't look for me on that forbes list, I'm most certainly not there. But I am comfortable and what I have I own. No credit payments here, thank you. ;)

I don't know why some of you are taking my comments to heart .. if I feel the G25 is vastly superior to the DFP after owning both units and wanna voice that opinion, is that a crime? :confused:

if I feel the G25 is vastly superior to the DFP after owning both units and wanna voice that opinion, is that a crime? :confused:

No, it's not. But, your reasons for your opinion could help another member that has never had a wheel buy the right one...;)

Why :confused:.

Obviously, it has a clutch and real shifter/shift pattern...but other then that what makes it so superior from your perspective? Is the build quality better, are the drive mechanisms in the wheel made of titanium...???

I have the dfp and absolutely love it. With that beings said, if I want to "closer" to real life driving, I'll hop in Tahoe and go speeding around the neighborhood (which causes problems of it's own :)).

But seriously, why Saul?

You about summed it up .. I think the G25 has better build quality, coupled with with a pedal set that really feels 'right' with perfect resistance on each separate pedal. The force feedback feels better, to me anyways. And the fact that it offers a fully functioning clutch pedal and H-pattern shifter seals the deal for me.

It's the small things that add up to the bigger package I guess. I, like you, really liked my DFP, but the G25 is just on another level IMHO.

G25 + Playseat = $500

While it's not pocket change, it's certainly not anything to get elitist about (not that it's ever a good idea to do so!)

I'm not 'elitist' , never was, never will be. I feel bad if I've come across that way. Hope everyone can forgive me. Trying to get across emotion through words on a msg board can often go astray.

Anyways, I'll just say once more. Buy what your budget allows or you feel best suits your needs. A game like GT5 begs to be 'played' with some sort of wheel setup so any choice you make will serve you well regardless.

I'd just advise anyone to pony up the few extra bucks (if possible) to get the G25 because "I feel" and it is "my opinion" that the G25 is the best you can get right now.

Nice too see I'm not the only one in this thread who can make an ass of themselves. :p
You're still the closest I've seen. I'll keep my eyes peeled though.

Seriously though, IMHO, a 300$ wheel + a 300$ cockpit + a 500$ + a 50$ game is a little bit of money to steer virtual cars around on a 3000$ monitor with sound from your 1000$ reciever. LOL Woweeee!

I don't know why some of you are taking my comments to heart .. if I feel the G25 is vastly superior to the DFP after owning both units and wanna voice that opinion, is that a crime? :confused:

Stating your opinion and talking down to people are two separate things.

well, having spent considerable time with both the DFP and the G25, i'll gingerly offer my opinion.
The DFP is nice- if the g25 is too expensive, then get it and don't ever feel bad about that. The DFP is a great wheel.

Having said that, if you CAN afford the G25, it is better. It uses metal bearings to support the wheel shaft instead of plastic. It has more and more powerful motors to actuate the force feedback. It has real leather on the wheel. The pedals have a more realistic resistance than the DFP.

Now, if I was spending my own money, i'd probably get the DFP. I have a g25, but received it as a present from Ziff Davis when I left them to work for Lucasfilm. I love it, but I'd have a hard hard time spending $300 on a steering wheel, no matter how good.

You're still the closest I've seen. I'll keep my eyes peeled though.

Woweeee!



Stating your opinion and talking down to people are two separate things.

Ok, it's obvious you are one of those people who like to get on forums and fight back and forth for hours on end, round and round in circles. You'll say crap about me and the things I've said and how bad I am while in that reply alone you've done all of those things yourself.

Just in that quote above you attack, you make a sarcastic remark, you try and act 'elitist' about money all the while giving me flack for it?

Ok, have fun and keep smoking whatever it is you're smoking guy.

Ok, it's obvious you are one of those people who like to get on forums and fight back and forth for hours on end, round and round in circles. You'll say crap about me and the things I've said and how bad I am while in that reply alone you've done all of those things yourself.

Just in that quote above you attack, you make a sarcastic remark, you try and act 'elitist' about money all the while giving me flack for it?

I'm not that guy at all, Saul. I just take exception to ignorant comments.If you want the best pony up for a G25 ... if just 'having a wheel' is enough for you then buy whatever.

If you chose your words more carefully, there wouldn't be such a reaction.

well, having spent considerable time with both the DFP and the G25, i'll gingerly offer my opinion.
The DFP is nice- if the g25 is too expensive, then get it and don't ever feel bad about that. The DFP is a great wheel.

Having said that, if you CAN afford the G25, it is better. It uses metal bearings to support the wheel shaft instead of plastic. It has more and more powerful motors to actuate the force feedback. It has real leather on the wheel. The pedals have a more realistic resistance than the DFP.

Now, if I was spending my own money, i'd probably get the DFP. I have a g25, but received it as a present from Ziff Davis when I left them to work for Lucasfilm. I love it, but I'd have a hard hard time spending $300 on a steering wheel, no matter how good.

Quality...thanks elvisizer ;)

Ok, it's obvious you are one of those people who like to get on forums and fight back and forth for hours on end, round and round in circles.

Not going to battle for Avarice (he's a big boy and can take care of himself :)) but you got him wrong, saul. I've actually read/had him reply to many posts that were extremely helpful.

With that being said, you entered this post with a "you suck" and "I'm better" attitude by stating your opinion with no "reasons" for it (ie, see elvisizr post as an example of a productive opinion...in my opinion).

Not my opinion, my observation.

I do agree with you though, having a wheel takes the game to a whole new level and for me make it more "enjoyable" (as I was never good at racing games with the sixaxis..).

^Playing GT5 with the Sixaxis is an exercise in frustration, IMO. I don't know how Brandon does it!

^Playing GT5 with the Sixaxis is an exercise in frustration, IMO. I don't know how Brandon does it!

Yep, I think he has six fingers on both hands :eek:

^Playing GT5 with the Sixaxis is an exercise in frustration, IMO. I don't know how Brandon does it!

I use one too :D

http://www.hardware.info/en-US/articles/am9nZmpvZA/Logitech_G25_racing_wheel__Review/7

If you want the best pony up for a G25 ... if just 'having a wheel' is enough for you then buy whatever.

But don't buy a DFP or this 'official' GT wheel and try and play it off like it's 'just as good' as a G25. G25 owns the wheel market, it's #1 in it's class, bar none. Clamp it down to a Playseat and you have one of the best sim driving/racing cockpits any average joe can own and afford. (without selling your left leg, which isn't too bad for DFP users since they don't have a clutch anyhow! J/K!)

Yea, that is arrogant, condescending, talking down to, being an ass or what ever you want to call it.

Joeblow,

No, not quite. Mine is more of a portable 'job site' type of stand, which makes it easy to setup and take down.

Oh Crud!!! Looks like I am going to have to learn how to resize my pictures. I will work on that, but it might be quicker and easier to just retake it at a lower resolution for now...which is what I will try to do now.

I will repost in a few minutes.

Ok, lets try it again. Sears Miter saw stand, with shortened legs used as Race Wheel mount.

Another cheap alternative to a stand is a high entertainment TV stand, like the corner type ones at Wal-Mart. It is the right height, and has a base that you can stick the pedals on. I used one before I bought the Playseat.

Nice. I currently use an 18" high wooden tray. It is weighted down by putting a box of books on it so I can maintain stability. :)

I have this cocktail table that pivots up and towards you on retractable hinges. It works great in my set up. This way I don't clutter the house, and it keeps the wife happy. Here are a few pics of these types of pivoting tables.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/rupter/DSC02674.jpg


And this one in the up and over position..it's very comfortable to sit here and race.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/rupter/DSC02673.jpg

If anyone is interested..Dell has the new GT wheel and game bundle for 149.00 with free shipping..linky

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Games/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A1629596&dgc=CJ&cid=24471&lid=566643

If anyone is interested..Dell has the new GT wheel and game bundle for 149.00 with free shipping..linky

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Games/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A1629596&dgc=CJ&cid=24471&lid=566643

Wow, that is a nice deal. Grrr... I was doing well holding off on this game until I saw this bundle. Oh, the temptations!

It uses metal bearings to support the wheel shaft instead of plastic. It has more and more powerful motors to actuate the force feedback. The pedals have a more realistic resistance than the DFP.

At the risk of sounding like a 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum.......THAT's exactly what I was asking for!!!!!!! It's what's inside that counts and thank you elvisizer for addressing that!
:cool:

Yep, I think he has six fingers on both hands :eek:

That's what she said! :D

Brandon

Ok, lets try it again. Sears Miter saw stand, with shortened legs used as Race Wheel mount.

That's a fine idea there, AV-NUT. When you say "shortened legs," are you meaning that they're adjustable or that you sawed them off? :D

Please keep the good household-type wheel mount solutions coming! I need to find something that is portable and can stow away easily when not in use.

Im looking to do that. I need something fairly cheap (price wise) as I cant afford a $250 wheel. Is the DF Pro still sold new or will I have to find a used one somewhere?

Honestly, I've been using the Driving force EX and I'm loving it. You can find one for $60. It does the job.

Also, I just saw this on the Logitech website. I remember someone asking if you could use the DF wheels in your lap. I guess Logitech heard you.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/playstation_2/wheels/devices/405&cl=us,en

http://www.logitech.com/repository/375/jpg/2721.1.0.jpg

Read the reviews on Amazon on that. A $10 TV tray from target held down with bags of rice would do a far better job than that lap.... thing.

I have a friend that has a welder so we were playing with a couple ideas the other day and I should completed the design soon. The main idea is to use my home theater chair(for the sheer comfort) and stabilize the unit with the electric footstool(locking the unit under the footrest portion when closed) this is the basic design only with curved stabilizer cross bars, and the footrest lip on the end where the chair goes. I will take pics when completed.

http://toolmonger.com/2006/06/15/how-to-build-a-game-chair-with-a-380-wire-welder/1/

When the full version of GT5 is released next year you know there will be a new wheel released at the same time, I'm betting it will be a wheel with the build quality of the G25 , the extra features of the DFGT & most likely it will be wireless, maybe even blutooth

How are they going to wirelessly transmit power? :confused:

How are they going to wirelessly transmit power? :confused:

:p

Wireless between the driving rig and PS3. The wheel itself would obviously still need a power cord. But power outlets are usually in inconspicuous places where you can easily hide wires; not so for the USB cord into the Playstation.

Read the reviews on Amazon on that. A $10 TV tray from target held down with bags of rice would do a far better job than that lap.... thing.

Wow, some of those reviews are hilarious. I never even knew this thing existed. Now I know why.

That's the same lap thing that came with the Logitech PS2 wheel some many years ago. It's thoroughly useless. Now, if I were a female aerobics instructor with thighs of steel, maybe I could make it work effectively for a two hour endurance race. Guess I'll just buy a racing chair instead.

Just got my DFP all setup and started playing GT5:P :D I never used a wheel before but its VERY realistic this way, I find myself lifting off the gas and stabbing at where the clutch SHOULD be while shifting ;) I like the second set of shift buttons (tiny paddles) behind the wheel and feel is AWESOME - you can actually feel how the wind in the draft is affecting the cars handling just thru the feedback sensation!

However I got a few complaints: the wheel is kind of small and loud, I find its very hard to take sharp turns despite turning off the "power assistant" setting in the game. My biggest issue is the darn clamps, I made a custom mount for it but my knee hits the clamp - has anyone removed the clamp and figured out a better way to hold the whole thing down tight? :confused: same with the pedals, I'm going to have to bolt them down somehow, when I hit the brakes the back end lifts up :(

Overall I really like the DFP, its just getting the mounting situation ironed out.

I've never used a wheel. Can anyone who has a wheel answer this; on high speed rounding corners, do you turn the wheel to the axis limit (like you would push your controllers analog stick completely in the turn direction) around corners (on the limit) or do the driving physics change when using a wheel to require a more realistic partial turn, where a full turn of the wheel would cause over/under steer instead of a smooth corner rounding like the controller.

Also; with the controller, if you were to turn left/right/left/right in rapid succession, the simulated game response would limit the rate of turn, thus not allowing you to turn from full left to full right in an instant. Does this change with a wheel? If you spin the wheel full left/right/left/right is the response as fast as you turn, or is the same limit applied regardless of input device?

Festo - I only recently starting play with the wheel (on Pro Physics) but I'll try to answer your questions.

Question #1 - no you do not turn the wheel to the limit, its just like a real car - the amount you turn is relative to amount you need to get thru the corner. For example on the high banks of Daytona you turn it very little, but in a 180 degree hairpin you go hand-over-hand spinning the wheel fully around once and sometimes more to get thru such a tight corner.

Question #2 - nope... your tires (and the car's handling/setup) still determine how much wheel input = how fast the car turns. For example in a tight "S" series you can only go left/right/left as quickly as the grip level of your tires will allow. Go too fast and the car understeers then you over correct and spin out due to the oversteer. The force feedback limits how quickly you can turn as it simulates the tires grip with the surface. Sure you can yank the wheel around quicker but the car will not response as its physically impossible to corner that fast.

So far for me its been HARDER to play the game with the wheel because you can't just tap a button to make a sharp turn, instead you have to whip the wheel all the way around and that action takes awhile so you have to rethink your entry into the turns and setup your moves further in advance. The advantage on the other hand is you can be smoother in a high speed sweeper by just moving the wheel enough to turn without scrubbing speed. The other big advantage is the throttle, you can lift off the gas just enough to make the turn without hitting the brakes.

The wheel is a much more immersive experience overall - you have more control over the car but as a result you have to be that much more percise with your inputs. With the controller I was an aggressive driver - throwing the car hard into corners, slamming the brakes then mashing the gas while counter steering to get it going straight again. However with the wheel I'm slowly learning to drive smoother with slight tweaks thru slow, steady controlled inputs, anything too fast or hard upsets the car. Either this is more realistic or I'm just a really bad driver... hard to tell since my experience driving on a closed course as as fast possible = ZERO. Be intresting to get my brothers take as he once owned a Corvette and got the opportunity to drive at the limit on two closed race tracks (Sebring and Homestead).

Uhm, with a wheel it turns like a normal car would.

JMII thanks for taking the time for the such a detailed response. Very helpful. Joeblow....thanks for nothing:}

well, having spent considerable time with both the DFP and the G25, i'll gingerly offer my opinion.
The DFP is nice- if the g25 is too expensive, then get it and don't ever feel bad about that. The DFP is a great wheel.

Having said that, if you CAN afford the G25, it is better. It uses metal bearings to support the wheel shaft instead of plastic. It has more and more powerful motors to actuate the force feedback. It has real leather on the wheel. The pedals have a more realistic resistance than the DFP.

Now, if I was spending my own money, i'd probably get the DFP. I have a g25, but received it as a present from Ziff Davis when I left them to work for Lucasfilm. I love it, but I'd have a hard hard time spending $300 on a steering wheel, no matter how good.
thanks for the post elvisizer.
for you or anyone else who could provide insight into the different wheels and set ups for those new to sim/wheels/considering getting something (aka clueless fools such as myself), anyone have a set up besides the playseat listed on amazon. the common complaint there-if any- re: the g25/playseat is that there's no place for the shifter.
on youtube (link below), there's one guys set up that actually has a slot for it(anyone know where to get one of those or have it?).

anyways, not trying to say one has to go all out since i think i'm nuts for even considering it, but man... it looks pretty enticing.
thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMIOjnL0E9Y&feature=related

You can use anything...I happened to find a TV stand online that was about $40 bucks, and with a couple of pieces of 2x4 screwed to it to give it some tilt I mounted my wheel (currently a microsoft wheel, but I built the thing first for my GT4/Driving Force Pro wheel) to the top part of the stand and the pedals to the bottom part of the stand and it works fine for me.

You can just make a simple table if thats all you need....I wouldn't recommend using a TV tray or anything because you want something that will stay PUT and wont slide around or move too much. As soon as you start having to slide the wheel back after you desperately try to correct for some bad understeer and the whole table moves, you'll be wishing you had bought/made a heavier base to mount the wheel to.

I'm building my own base/stand so I can sit on the couch and play, its a couple of pieces of MDF and 1x4s of various lengths. I don't have the right tools so it's something of mis-mash rig-job. The first version was really solid, but it was too big and heavy to move around easily. The second version has some supports removed so it's not as stable, but now I can fold it up so it fits into a closet. Pics coming as soon as it done, I'm still tweaking the spacing/angle of pedals.

Wish someone sold an affordable (less then $150) mounting solution for this darn thing, I'd venture a guess that half the reason people don't buy a wheel is finding a way to lock it down.

I was also messing with settings last night: Profession Wheel, Power Assist Off and Feedback at 4 feels good to me. I had wheel set to Simulation and it was impossible using Pro Physics in the game, the car was darn near un-driveable.

If there is a way to turn off the 900 degree steering, I'd try it.....900 degree steering may be fine for your road car but its silly in a racing game to have to go hand-over-hand to take hairpins, like a madman.....

If anyone is interested. I was at my local Sam's Club today, and they had alot of these wheels for $124.88. Not a bad deal for anyone looking to pick one up locally.

If anyone is looking for an inexpensive stand check out the Wheel Station:

http://www.capitoldiecast.com/WSExclusiveOffer.htm

It folds up so you can get it out of the way. If you put some velcro on the pedals you can keep everything attached when you put it up.

If anyone is looking for an inexpensive stand check out the Wheel Station:

http://www.capitoldiecast.com/WSExclusiveOffer.htm

It folds up so you can get it out of the way. If you put some velcro on the pedals you can keep everything attached when you put it up.

Very interesting, thanks for the link! Anybody who has experience with this stand, I'd love to hear some feedback.

It seems like a great alternative for us folks who don't have room for a Playseat-esque setup. I didn't see a mention of weight on the website. Anybody know?

Very interesting, thanks for the link! Anybody who has experience with this stand, I'd love to hear some feedback.

It seems like a great alternative for us folks who don't have room for a Playseat-esque setup. I didn't see a mention of weight on the website. Anybody know?

I too would be interested in some "real world" feedback. I have a solution, but it is big and clunky (and the wife is less then excited about it :o). My concern would be stability in conjunction with the force feedback...

I ditched my homemade stand (just too big and ugly) and instead added some MDF and a side brace to a Mayline 951MEC "Laptop Caddy II" (about $70 at overstock.com) I'll upload some pictures this weekend after I put a coat of paint on it.

The problem I see with The Wheel Station is the pedals don't seem far enough forward for adult use, but its hard to tell from pictures alone. At $45 its seems like a good deal but the design is so simple you could built it yourself for about $25 I bet.

I think I went to that website and the page said they were no longer making them or available, maybe now he's back in business...?? Maybe it was another site, I'm not 100% right now.

But honestly that looks like a very good solution, with the following caveats:
1) That floor plate needs some kind of spikes to keep it from sliding. He moves it so easily in the "30 second setup" demonstration video that I can see it sliding around.

2) The angle on the wheel board looks fixed.....so while it may be perfect for that guy on that couch with that wheel, the MS wheel for example sits up MUCH higher....I dont want to race with the wheel up near my jaw :) I also dont like how if you stretch out your legs, your arms are now stretched out too.

3) I wonder if it wiggles with lots of left/right turning..the worst thing in the world is when your wheel-mount vibrates or wiggles, it makes driving sloppy.

Then again...its $40 bucks, and a good "place to start" for customizing...plus...it folds up and goes away when you don't need it.


But, ah, would it be so hard to do a spellcheck on your website? "Mounting your Peddles?"....."..Customize There own Stand"....!?!?! EEhhhh...

There are 'official' gearshift holders for the Playseat. I bought mine from playseatsna.com

Guys, that wheel station, I wouldn't buy it, as it looks like it is pretty cheap. I thought at first it was MDF but realized its something else. I had made something like that for my DFP, but had extra braces as well as spot to hold my ps2 in it. It looks like he just too a can of spray paint to it as well.

Here are the pics :cool: I added some "speed holes" :D to lighten it. I kept the casters on the front so its easy to roll away when not in use. In the back I took the wheels off and have some rubber grippers that hold onto the tile under the couch. Its not rock solid (wobbles a bit so I added that side support to help), but with both hands on the DFP and your feet on the pedal/base it stays put even when sawing away at the wheel and repeatedly slamming the brakes. The wheel is little higher then I hoped for but it keeps the clamps from hitting my knees (I'm 6') so in the end its perfect. The height and angle of pedal feels just right, they were a touch low so raised the back with another piece of wood. Zip ties and cable clamps keep everything neat and organized. Overall not bad considering my lack of wood working skills (and tools) :p

Guys, that wheel station, I wouldn't buy it, as it looks like it is pretty cheap. I thought at first it was MDF but realized its something else. I had made something like that for my DFP, but had extra braces as well as spot to hold my ps2 in it. It looks like he just too a can of spray paint to it as well.

But it also looks like 99% of the work is done for you, so if you took his brace and added to it, its a good starting point to customize.

Just a heads up that Tiger Direct via Amazon has the G25 for $230 ($250 total when shipped standard) as well as one used one from some other merchant but still through Amazon for $210 + shipping.

sorry to jump into the discussions with a question which might have been answered already:o

I own F1Ce, GT4 for PS2, DIRT, GT5P, MOTORSTORM complete and GRID is on the way:D, are all these games compatible with the new GT wheel:confused:

The Logitech website shows only GT5P as 100% supported:(

lats thing before I make up my mind:cool:so help me out please:)

sorry to jump into the discussions with a question which might have been answered already:o

I own F1Ce, GT4 for PS2, DIRT, GT5P, MOTORSTORM complete and GRID is on the way:D, are all these games compatible with the new GT wheel:confused:

The Logitech website shows only GT5P as 100% supported:(

lats thing before I make up my mind:cool:so help me out please:)

I'm pretty sure all but Motorstorm is compatible, I don't think Motorstorm has any wheel support.

The 100% listing for GT5P is because it's the only game that supports the real time tuning features.

I'm pretty sure all but Motorstorm is compatible, I don't think Motorstorm has any wheel support.

The 100% listing for GT5P is because it's the only game that supports the real time tuning features.


Thanks:)

yep seen the option for wheel set-up in those games but no mention for the GT wheel obviously so better ask the people who know:D

as per Motorstorm, to be honest I only bought it last Sunday, the "Complete" version that has just been launched overhere in Japan.

I havent opend the box:oso aint got a clue if they have implemented a wheel support on the top of the Online mode (new for us over here in Japan:rolleyes:)

Anyway, I am going to buy this wheel and try to convince the missus that it is good for me to play car racing games with such a set-up:p

I ordered the stand, but I am waiting for it to be delivered. It's been about 3 weeks (Website says it could take up to 4 weeks).

I'll post my thoughts back when I receive it and get a chance to use it.

I ordered the stand, but I am waiting for it to be delivered. It's been about 3 weeks (Website says it could take up to 4 weeks).

I'll post my thoughts back when I receive it and get a chance to use it.

Please do. Very interested to see if this works better than my uber-elegant fold away step ladder :p

I ordered the stand, but I am waiting for it to be delivered. It's been about 3 weeks (Website says it could take up to 4 weeks).

I'll post my thoughts back when I receive it and get a chance to use it.

Looking forward to your review. I am mostly concerned about the stability of it. It seems like it does not have enough weight to be sturdy enough specially when turning.

BTW, Which wheel do you plan on mounting on this thing?

Looking forward to your review. I am mostly concerned about the stability of it. It seems like it does not have enough weight to be sturdy enough specially when turning.

BTW, Which wheel do you plan on mounting on this thing?

I have the Logitech Driving Force GT. I picked it up when Dell had the $40 off deal. So I paid for the wheel and got the game from free.

I have barely even touched the game since I have only used the wheel in my lap. (What a pain!). I'm looking forward to having something has the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) and that seemingly looks like it will work well.

Stay Tuned.....

So it finally arrived today. I took it out of the box and set it up in about 5 seconds without the wheel. It's pretty compact when not open, about 6" tall.

I haven't had a chance to use it in game yet, but so far the base seems sturdy. The bottom of it has some kind of grip material that works with carpet so it doesn't slide (This is what I was worried the most about).

I'll post some more feedback tomorrow night after I get a chance to run a few laps.

Any questions?

Cucuy, I'll address the stability of it with the DF:GT but my initial report is that with such a wide footprint, it should be fairly stable, unless you jerk the wheel really hard.

So here are some of my initial thoughts from about 2 hours of racing with the stand.

Likes:
I'm a lot better with this stand than with the wheel in my lap.
It's stable enough to take my punishment on Suzuka. Those S turns are brutal. (I currently HATE this track!) It did jump around a tiny bit on the Norwegian Track
It's very comfortable and stable. I feel like it's a fixed object and not a removable stand.
I was able to go get gold on tracks I previously couldn't. (This was me picking up the game only for the 2nd time and I have not done any racing in about 8 weeks.
Tried it out on my lazy boy after at my desk, and the height is PERFECT!
Pedals don't move around at all, and neither does the stand itself.

Dislike:
The angle for the wheel is a little low, but I think this can be fixed by raising it up an inch. Or I could reverse how I currently have the stand setup. I am sitting in a very high chair at my desk. (retracted due to height for my lazyboy in the theater!)
I wish it came with some wire management straps. Sometimes my feet would hit the wires coming from the wheel to the PS3 and the foot pedals. I'm going to fix that with some Wire management flexible tie's. This way I can remove the wires with a twist.

Oh, it took like 20 seconds to set up with the wheel.

Let me know if you guys have any other questions about it.

I haven't had a chance to use it in game yet, but so far the base seems sturdy. The bottom of it has some kind of grip material that works with carpet so it doesn't slide (This is what I was worried the most about).



What kind of grip is that I don't have carpet but wood floor? I am afraid that with solid floors it will be more likely to slide compared to carpet. Is there anything that may cause a lot of scratches on the floor (I am thinking about the bottom of the main base plate) or is it totally flat? Thanks in advance.

:cool:

What kind of grip is that I don't have carpet but wood floor? I am afraid that with solid floors it will be more likely to slide compared to carpet. Is there anything that may cause a lot of scratches on the floor (I am thinking about the bottom of the main base plate) or is it totally flat? Thanks in advance.

:cool:
I'll take a picture of it tonight and post it. They are like little black plastic crosses. Kind of like a non-slip pad. I didn't touch them to see how hard they were, but I'll also do that tonight.

For those truly ghetto people ( you know who you are), what I've used in the past is a simple dining chair and Ironing Board. Laugh all you want, but the wheel clamps on nicely and it's height adjustable. :D

Same concern, but with tile floors. Did it come with rubber footies or anything such?

I also have the Logitech DFGT. You should check out the official Playstation board for some custom mounting solutions.

I came up with a simple solution. I had a old computer table that I stripped down. Here are some pictures.



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2203/2540729431_df0f3bd431.jpg?v=1212325500
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/2541554840_7e6050c518.jpg?v=1212325601

I'm sure that works just fine, but what we are looking for is an easily store-able solution with a mild to moderate WAF :p

I'm sure that works just fine, but what we are looking for is an easily store-able solution with a mild to moderate WAF :p

+1

Ok, so the bottom piece of wood is actually DriCore.
www.dricore.com
It's made of a hard plastic material, but I don't think it would scratch the floor without having something like dirt or something between the bottom and the floor.
I put it on my linoleum floor in my kitchen and it slid around pretty easily. If you have a smooth surface floor I would suggest putting it on top of a Bathroom Floor Rug (the kind that have the stick rubber surface on the bottom) so it doesn't slide around, and it also protects your floor (in case something ever did happen)
My camera's battery is dead, so I didn't post a picture of mine. I'm charging it now. I did post a picture I found on the internet of the DriCore that it is made out of though. Let me know if you guys want some more pictures of this, I can post them in a hour of two.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3690/dricoreeds8.th.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1307/driccorepartsot2.th.jpg (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=driccorepartsot2.jpg)

Same concern, but with tile floors. Did it come with rubber footies or anything such?
No rubber footies came with it.

I'm sure that works just fine, but what we are looking for is an easily store-able solution with a mild to moderate WAF :p

+1
This certainly does the trick for me. Easy to store and the WAF is great. :D I played more last night, than I have since I bought my wheel. I got through Class C and I am half way through B....I'm stuck on that damn race where I have to pass all the cars in one lap on Class B. The one on Class C was cake.

This stand is making me enjoy racing games in a whole new way. It was worth every penny.

The stand I made is somewhat "store-able". I looked at it like if I could make something that had dual purposes. End table by day and racing wheel stand by night. My wife likes having a small table on this side of the couch and I get a racing wheel stand for GT5p.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn279/eclipz75/IMG_8409-1.jpg
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn279/eclipz75/IMG_8414-1.jpg
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn279/eclipz75/IMG_8425-1.jpg
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn279/eclipz75/IMG_8428-1.jpg

^^ Huh. Nice work there!

A little more engineering than some but it works .

Looks very functional, but definitely no WAF there! Doesn't that bar get in the way of your clutch foot?

I thought it would be in the way, but not really.I am lucky that I have a unused area under the stairs that it fits in with room to spare.

Same concern, but with tile floors. Did it come with rubber footies or anything such?

A suggestion should you end up going that route: you can get rubber feet from your local hardware store.
This is the ghetto fabulous solution I'm using:
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100003259
The legs fold into the top and each of the four legs are individually adjustable. You'll need a 1" or so shim to mount the wheel portion (between the underside of the top and the screw you tighten for mounting) and a 1/2" or so shim to mount the gear shift.
I also picked up this roller stand at the same time as the sawhorse with the intention of adding something to mount the wheel above the roller. To me this roller stand looks a lot like the ordered stand and the DIY over-engineered one posted:
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100026516&N=10000003+90401+502727
I returned it because the sawhorse worked great and I didn't feel like following through on modding it. If so inclined it didn't look like it would be difficult to bolt a platform above the roller using the existing hardware (there are swingy things, for lack of a better word, on the sides of the roller that you could screw a platform to).
I would add some kind of protectant to the feet of the sawhorse if I were to use it on a wood floor. The roller stand has rubber feet.

A suggestion should you end up going that route: you can get rubber feet from your local hardware store.

My entire living area is ceramic tile, so I do use rubber feet on my couches, etc. I still have problems with sliding, however. What I need to find are rubber feet that taper to a small diameter, as opposed to the broad-based circular ones I have now. This way the weight of the couch (the couches themselves are very light and modular) will be distributed to a smaller area and be less likely to slide.

Of course I'd like to do the same with my wheel mounting solution. Anybody know of better ways to prevent sliding on tile/wood floors?

What I need to find are rubber feet that taper to a small diameter, as opposed to the broad-based circular ones I have now.

Those are the kind I was thinking of and have bought from either Lowe's or Home Depot previously. They were about 2" in diameter tapering to 1" or so. They went on to an amp I built though, not something like this.

A suggestion should you end up going that route: you can get rubber feet from your local hardware store.
This is the ghetto fabulous solution I'm using:
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100003259
The legs fold into the top and each of the four legs are individually adjustable. You'll need a 1" or so shim to mount the wheel portion (between the underside of the top and the screw you tighten for mounting) and a 1/2" or so shim to mount the gear shift.
I also picked up this roller stand at the same time as the sawhorse with the intention of adding something to mount the wheel above the roller. To me this roller stand looks a lot like the ordered stand and the DIY over-engineered one posted:
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100026516&N=10000003+90401+502727
I returned it because the sawhorse worked great and I didn't feel like following through on modding it. If so inclined it didn't look like it would be difficult to bolt a platform above the roller using the existing hardware (there are swingy things, for lack of a better word, on the sides of the roller that you could screw a platform to).
I would add some kind of protectant to the feet of the sawhorse if I were to use it on a wood floor. The roller stand has rubber feet.

The solution I picked up was $40. Cheap and easy to store. Most people have bath mat in their house, or even extra ones to layout when you play. You could also just install some rubber feet on it as well, for a couple of more dollars. The carpet on the bath mat will hold the stand in place.