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CINERAMAX 03-13-09, 03:52 AM Marylin is back, don't worry she is not reflecting light from the torus where she stands.
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Promefinale-036.jpg
The Curve above was very similar to the one determined by Floyd Toole and his research in the NRC. This is the bassis of the JBL Synthesis.Well..
If there were ever 600 hearing impaired Canadians in one triple blind listeniong panel this must have been it.
The sound at Prometheus using the Synthesis curve was beginning to sound like the claw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxgxWPk_t1c&feature=channel_page).
Instead as I said from the very beginning the room would sound great without equalization, WHICH IT DOES. However the surround channels and subwoofers are somewhat out of line with the frequency respnse of the LCR's so using the drag and dropp target curve feature we contoured the measured respnse of the Mains and created a new target curve. THIS METHOD IS TO BE CALLED HENCEFORTH THE CINERAMIX MODE.:)
Excellent initial results BTW.
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Promefinale-008.jpg
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Promefinale-033.jpg
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Promefinale-029.jpg
The 12 volt rigger was installed, see the dampening around any unused Shadowbox air spaces.
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Promefinale-018.jpg
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Promefinale-019.jpg
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Promefinale-021.jpg
Dbuudo07 03-13-09, 10:11 AM That looks pretty sweet Pete.
CINERAMAX 03-24-09, 06:09 PM Thanks DB,
It took several Blue Ray Players (including the very latest Pioneer Elite)to be able to get the Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio fed into the tact whilst outputting spdif into the D-Box Controller simulateneously, that way you get the best sound codecs with the COOLEST POSSIBLE ADD ON that is indispensable [EDITORIAL: ...and I question not only the good taste and judgment if someone claims to own a SOTA HT that you decided, after careful consideration, or by recommendation of your proctologist, or the wife felt like, not to implement a D-Box in. It is inexcusable in this present day not to have one and be flaunting such incomplete room through these web pages is not going to impress the cognoscenti.]:D:D:D You hear me?
Well here is the proof that it can happen:
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/rackissues-004.jpg
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/rackissues-010.jpg
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/rackissues-015.jpg
CINERAMAX 03-24-09, 06:12 PM I wanted to have rear access to the bedroom rs-20 for maintenance, nooo there was a better way from the Italian Architect.
Well... See for yourselves what a simple hdmi cable to fiber exchange took:
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Bedroom-01.jpg
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Bedroom-017.jpg
Dbuudo07 03-25-09, 02:51 PM Pete, it looks like the image is clipped on the torus screen. Also, the black level looked pretty high. Is that normal?
CINERAMAX 03-26-09, 08:53 AM The image is only slightly clipped at the bottom, nowhere else. With a throw angle compensated Torus, you will lose nothing. All the house lights are on in the picture.;)
Is Prometheus ready for my personal inspection?
CINERAMAX 03-27-09, 06:17 AM Almost.:D We are still fine tuning...
Peter Nielsen 03-27-09, 09:36 AM Tell Boz to finetune the spelling too. This new processor needs to be more "fine tuned" than the Mk2 and all its hundereds of typos
Unfortunately the Mk3 seems to have the same problems that still are not fixed after 3 years of owining the Mk2:
"Loat Target Curve"
"SENTER"
"dislpay"
and incorrect confusing abbreviations like "Fr.", "Msr", and so on.
Frequency is usually abbreviated "Fq". "Fr" means French or France. Look it up in an acronym list...
Measurement is usually abbreviated "Meas" not "Msr"...
And this only in your screenshots. I can only guess the number of errors in the documentation. This would be fine if it's only beta, but the problem with TacT is that it most likely *remains* beta until Mk4... At least that's the case with the Mk2...
CINERAMAX 03-28-09, 08:45 AM Oh Peter you are such a half empty sort of guy. A lot of those spelling mistakes have been corrected, the important thing with this piece is that it sounds the par to the amplifiers and speakers, and it does. It also is the fastest switching HDMI I have ever seen.
Hugh Prather said: "Perfectionism is slow death";)
exipnos 03-30-09, 04:07 AM Fantastic clean solution on the wall panel. Could you tell us more how the panel is fixated?
CINERAMAX 04-02-09, 09:59 AM There are 6 or 8 U-clips you lift the panel and then rest it down, there is also a securing top cross member creating a half inch slot on top. You first insert the top and then lower steady until all 6/8 clips engage.
CINERAMAX 04-04-09, 02:01 AM With the new tact we now have everything going through it's ultrafast hdmi switch. This liberated Macros and since we have a full suite of gamma curves I made macros for all of them...
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/tactfix-021.jpg
This is a cheat sheet for the inputs in the processor:
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Tact-Instructions.jpg
This are the corrections Audio Rep and Room Tuner Extraordinaire Michael Chafee put in. Of course the curves are meaningless without the time delay, mixer elements, but the sound is very close to perfect now, it took 2 days of serious listening.
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Correction-Graphs.jpg
Notice on correction 4 how some channels are addressed differently.
Here is the mixer panel:
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Prometheus-003.jpg
Note the other tabs for levels and delay.
I must say I enjoyed collaborating with Michael Chafee because while I have a good ear the Tact is the most advanced/complicated audio computer on the planet. I am like" Mike how come I hear the Alpha Romeo distinctly falling off the cliff to the left, yet when the Jeep hits the brick wall on the right there's no balls to it?" He goes "Right" then he changes the order of the crossovers lowers some crossover points, mixes some left to the left sub and right to the right sub, and voila major chrashola against the brick wall. It certainly helps to have a recording engineer handy for this. Another one was, because the key test of any tuning a system like this IS WITH MUSIC; Playing the Jeff Beck in Chicago concert everything was rocking fantastic until this virtuoso young woman bassist Tal Wilkenfeld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal_Wilkenfeld) started a Jaco Pastorious like solo, I wasn't looking at the image and I hear Jaco Pastorious but wait isn't Jaco dead? then I see an incredible performance from this chick:
http://www.mikeestepband.com/weblog/tal_wilkenfeld.jpg She is my new favorite female person, replacing a year long run for Jolene_Blalock (One day there should be a Jolene Blalock channel on TV) I have HDdvr'd the entire Enterprise 5 year series just because of T'pol.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/TPol.jpg
I am digressing, later into the calibration session I told Mike that the twang of the bass strings was missing. I could hear the bass notes but that lower mid twang was not present. He said "Yes" ( a man of few words;)), and then changed the frequencies on the center channel, massaged the levels and voila there was Tal Wilkenfeld's bass guitar twang. All and all a real sense of accomplishment. None of this Audissey you don't know what you're getting/only Tom Holman does/ tin-can sounding EQ. The Tact is the real thing it does sound as clean as an ML piece or a Cello audio Pallete did years ago.
Alan Gouger 04-04-09, 05:46 AM Playing the Jeff Beck in Chicago concert everything was rocking fantastic until this Virtuoso young woman bassist Tal Wilkenfeld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal_Wilkenfeld) started a Jaco Pastorious like solo, I wasn't looking at the image and I hear Jaco Pastorious but wait isn't Jaco dead? then I see an incredible performance from this chick.
I caught this as well. The jam reminded me of Beck in the early years, Woodstock style.
Here it is on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIFFRHBCPzA).
CINERAMAX 04-04-09, 11:17 AM Alan I just got the BD of "This Week at Ronnie Scotts".
There is a thread on it already, and as unusual had some very enthusiastic posting. ;)
This is the best concert BD PERIOD. Highly Recommended. The light show is subdued but the performance sounds like it was mixed in a studio and yet it's from one single seating.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JeXMmLClL._SS500_.jpg
I feel like a kid again, playing the disc over and over as if it was an LP. Hadn't done that since the early eighties.
Dbuudo07 04-04-09, 01:49 PM Pete, the Tact system looks incredible and I can only imagine how great it sounds. Can you give a ballpark figure of how much it costs with or without installation?
CINERAMAX 04-04-09, 07:14 PM I'll respond...
Dbuudo07 04-04-09, 10:14 PM Thanks;)
CINERAMAX 04-18-09, 12:41 PM http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/PJ-Czar.jpg
Fresh of his 1 week Caribbean cruise we had a VIP visitor from the greatest DCI projector manufacturer who is travelling incognito.
Many issues were discussed.
For weeks our porthole glass has been steadily becoming a problem, it was washed with water based cleaners and it is just killing mtf. Besides there are 3 or 4 micro air bubbles in it, or sand in the glass.
While he has to be screen manufacturer agnostic for DCI due to the smaller venue he believed that the image exhibited unparalleled uniformity, no distractions (take that st130 critics) and simply the most wonderful possible screen for a Home Theater (take that 37,541 forum members with other screens ;)) [Don't shoot the Messenger] -without the porthole glass, playing quantum of solace , with a $5k ultracustom 3.0 sigmoid curve, he likened the presentation to near DCI's finest. Very good no?
He will engineer for the client a solution using a composite closed cell vinyl lens wraparound panels (similar to Wofgang's but without lens shift and with higher tech composites :D). The lens shift will be replaced by pixel shift when doing zoom/focus servo aspect ratio change. Thus the lens aperture will tightly wrap around the lens barrel to kill the sound but there will be 3 layers of deadening material.
He acknowledged the fact that the Studios are using the DCI master as good enough for Blue Ray and that when using a pr-655/680 color shot TIP7 the blacks as dictated by TIP7 rec 709 derivative as used by all the post-production houses seems incorrect to the laypersons eye, overly elevated blacks . We have been complaining about this practice for some time which is why we have been using the s-shaped gamma.
He also mentioned that if the client wants to underwrite the R&D (which he said yes), that there can be further improvements to the contrast in the engine without no color or brightness anomalies, although very clearly 6-7 k is not going to be possible. ACS 2048 Scaler custom signal processing will be looked at to correct the elevated blacks from the incorrect mastering process.
He did mention that the Dolby 3-D system color wheel is before the light engine and that therefore you will have maximum contrast, MTF and sharpness (sorry to our new friends at RealD ;)) with it.
All in all I had the most productive 45 minutes and I have to thank the manufacturer for it's 5 star attention to the end user even though we are talking a primary rec 709 user, which is a secondary intended market. So Kudos.
CINERAMAX 04-18-09, 01:54 PM For a cleaner transition between the lens and the wall opening I want to use a custom tapering bellow.
http://glennview.com/jpgs/sinar/norma/810/id/big_7.jpg
Cool?
http://glennview.com/jpgs/sinar/norma/810/id/big_4.jpg
Nice Sinar monorail camera bellow, the right half of this one will do for Prometheus Porthole.
http://glennview.com/jpgs/sinar/norma/810/id/big_1.jpg
will1383 04-18-09, 02:25 PM Very cool. Thanks for all the detail, this has been an excellent build to follow.
CINERAMAX 04-19-09, 11:39 AM Thanks Will, it never ends though, next we are to develop the AMX control screens for the sytem including forward looking additions. These will include the custom scaler features for the acs 2048 (the tact tcs mk II output will go into the scaler to up convert color from 8 bit to 14 bit with dual LINK dvi). Next also is the Bellows like silencing Glassless Porthole. Then the new Dolby server for DCI content for when the Billion Dollar Club director producer is staying at the house he can watch secure content. The Dolby 3D wheel and glasses system. And all the custom engine modification improvements to be factory made. Also implement reduced fan cfm, and zero fan on standby custom software changes. It will be another 6 months before I can finally bow out.
Nicksbass 04-19-09, 12:58 PM Playing the Jeff Beck in Chicago concert everything was rocking fantastic until this virtuoso young woman bassist started a Jaco Pastorious like solo, I wasn't looking at the image and I hear Jaco Pastorious but wait isn't Jaco dead? then I see an incredible performance from this chick:
Yeah Peter! Funny, the same happened to me: (Not really) watching a TV recording from Claptons Crossroads Concert I woke up when I heard some flanging violenesque guitar sounds => remote => rewind , start again and: jeff beck was announced. I first thought (on the small CRT) he brought his daughter on the stage (now who in the hell is this???). Then I heard the bass and BOINGGG!!! Incredible!
Guitar Magazines tend to ask, how do you create your sound, what cables do you use...and so on. You know what Jaco said? "The sound is in my fingers." :p:p:p
Jeff Beck: afaik he always kept on beeing a car mechanic and never became a 7/24 professional but plays sooo inspired.
Thanks for mentioning this in the thread. Great!!! I need that blueray. You may be now awarded as cultural AVS ambassador ;)
Norman
PS Peter I still own you something! I have your espagnolo vino tinto ready - as a bomb surprise I will add a recording that you will appreciate, I am very sure. A direct Vinyl-LP to HD-CD transfer done with absolutely outstanding equipment - Thelma Houston's "I've got the music in me". This will make the tact sound todo perfecto. :)
CINERAMAX 04-19-09, 01:10 PM AhG!!
You have made me get up from the computer and hit play on the BD, the disc was already in there! :D :D
Nicksbass 04-19-09, 01:53 PM AhG!!
You have made me get up from the computer and hit play on the BD, the disc was already in there! :D :D
BOOOOAAAAHHHH....nagnagnagnag....:eek:
CINERAMAX 04-19-09, 02:23 PM I will take you up on your Nagra grade recordings....
donaldk 04-19-09, 07:07 PM "he likened the presentation to near DCI's finest. Very good no?"
Ouch Peter, those soft spoken, modest Flemish folks, aren't as direct and blunt, as us, so basically he is saying. 'WOW Peter, you did all this, and still regular DCI installs are doing better':rolleyes::rolleyes::D::devil:.
CINERAMAX 04-29-09, 12:02 AM The owner had complained that TCS preset number 5 as calibrated by a renowned local recording engineer/audio rep was a bit hot on the sides tracks. Well...
The guy that did the tuning said he liked the mix that way, I guess the owner was right because last weekend with the house full of guests a C1 woofer popped. That preset indeed was hotter by about 3db over the other 4. That was fixed, as well as lowering the surrounds by about 20%.
Mike Mannousselis had that replacement driver en route before I could say Jack Robinson..
Here our Torus assembly team takes apart the Fabritrak installation previously the exclusive domain of Brambier's, but these guys can do anything fabric, screen and upholstery related as good or better, so we fixed it ourselves. :)
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/newrack-033.jpg
Detail of the different track moldings used in THE VOICE OF GOD.
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/newrack-039.jpg
Today it was a three ring circus, four if you consider the back of the rack.
First the Fabritrak removal and reinstall, the Dynaudio C1 replacement speaker installation mid-air, the installation and reorg of the rackshelves, and the final back of rack wiring detail basics, we needed to order some wires so the detailing is not done yet, but it is well on it's way.
Here is the rack ...
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/newrack-044.jpg
and here it is with the Dolby server simulated.
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/newrack-031.jpg
In reality the new Dolby server looks like a Dell server but with fins instead of
holes. It is a network controlled device so it has no buttons on the front.
Alan Gouger 04-29-09, 10:01 AM Peter it's a Dell.
That rattled my memory & reminded me of the nursery rhyme..farmer in the dell.
CINERAMAX 04-30-09, 05:23 AM ;)
CINERAMAX 05-05-09, 07:29 AM I had not posted these:
Mark Haflich's Review of Prometheus (http://www.vimeo.com/2899442)
Didier Brival Review of Prometheus (http://www.vimeo.com/3494341)
CINERAMAX 05-17-09, 10:37 AM The owner has business dealings with a few Hollywood directors and producers.
I have been pestering him to show them the room. On Mother's day finally one of them ( a very prolific director who makes action comedys involving a famous chinese karate champion and an african american comedian) while he is no Scorsese the guy knows how to make a funny action adventure and already is past the Billion mark in Box Office hits. The individual has currently a Qualia and a Simplex projector at his famous bachelor pad lodge.
The owner calls me ... "guess who is here? and we couldn't see the menu (CIH) on the Blue Ray and I hit the 1.77 zoom" and we lost the image...You may kiss any potential deal goodbye" Oh great- I tell him to simply press the 2.0 resize button to see the disc menu instantaneously and then 2.37" He hangs up.
I continued giving swimming lessons to a voluptuous 36-DDD friend of mine. My client called back later, "yeah it was the Dowser, why do they call it such a stupid thing?", in any event they did get to see the show. Apparently the Director asked him to go to a specific middle scene on a lake in one of his Comics based (___-Men#) movie. He sat there deconstructing the image and said that it was really really good, he loved the picture, the sound and the d-box: "If I get this I will never leave the House."
Last Wednesday my client summoned me , I was wondering why. When I got there he shows me his cell phone a text message from the Director/Producer.
[Amazing home but a truly incredible screening room ,Congrats. ]
This is like a 60 million plus home so for me is quite a victory because it finally shows my client the relative Value of Prometheus. He said "I am going to answer, tell him he should get one" I said Tell him you'll explain the system to him at Cannes -he did and we are in anticipation.:D
CINERAMAX 06-05-09, 01:35 PM The issues involving the rs-232 control of this projector are complex. This projector does not operate like professional or consumer projectors.
They are normally operated via 24 pin parallel I/o cointrol in theater environments.
After many months of defining the image configuration parameters a set of macros was created. These were converted by hex to rs-232 control.SEE VIDEO OF THE FIRST ATTEMPT-Not Bad (http://www.vimeo.com/5020619).;)
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Projector-Control.jpg
CINERAMAX 06-08-09, 07:10 PM http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/PromethScreenSaver.jpg
Prometheus...
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/PromethPJControl.jpg
Projector control
CINERAMAX 06-10-09, 10:54 PM http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/DSS200.jpg
CINERAMAX 07-22-09, 09:18 PM http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Prometheus-Front.jpg
CINERAMAX 07-25-09, 01:08 AM http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/Promethus-with-screen-cap.jpg
http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/IMG_0048.jpg
Dbuudo07 07-27-09, 10:51 AM Looks fantastic! Too much colour in the room for my taste:p but still a wonderful looking theater.
lsegalla 08-12-09, 10:18 AM to CINERAMAX
i've just seen that you built some kind of hemi-fusor type of diffuser using polystirene
could you help me to build one ? i'm not able to understand how many cm should be the cells deep and high...
CINERAMAX 08-12-09, 10:34 AM Actually those were rpg 4" sliced in half to 2", then we used the chesee grater to make it flush.
CINERAMAX 08-12-09, 10:35 AM Home Entertainment Magazine announced that they will be awarding Prometheus some kind of technical award for the SUPERKONTRAST and DCI modded Tact TCS MK III in the Installations of the year NOVEMBER Issue. :D
CINERAMAX 08-12-09, 10:38 AM Looks fantastic! Too much colour in the room for my taste:p but still a wonderful looking theater.
Thanks David, for such a colorful room it sure look dark with the lights off.
Conger-ads on the technical award on the great ht you deserve it.
coldmachine 08-13-09, 04:51 AM Home Entertainment Magazine announced that they will be awarding Prometheus some kind of technical award for the SUPERKONTRAST and DCI modded Tact TCS MK III in the Installations of the year NOVEMBER Issue. :D
Well done Peter. I love nothing more than to see effort being recognized. All the praise in the world is great, but formal recognition just adds the cherry on top.
I assume, judging by your modest disposition, this award will feature, in some manner, in every single post you make after you have received it.:D
Congratulations indeed.
CINERAMAX 08-13-09, 04:52 AM Like carrying the Oscar around.;)
CINERAMAX 11-04-09, 03:07 PM http://www.hemagazine.com/files/u3/IotY2009.jpg
They will be giving Prometheus' tech an innovation award.
http://www.hemagazine.com/Installation_of_the_Year_Awards_09
This year, we saw so many stunning projects with over-the-top technology that we had no choice but to expand our annual “installation of the year” awards.
So instead of featuring one mind-blowing project in our awards story, we’ve included six different projects—from the best audio and video installations to the best home theater, media room, whole-house automation project and the best “innovation” job.
We'll be revealing the winners all week long in this celebration of the best that custom installation has to offer.
Read more: http://www.hemagazine.com/Installation_of_the_Year_Awards_09#ixzz0VvXhujT4
Haroon Malik 11-05-09, 07:01 AM Congratulations Peter! It's very nice news indeed!
CINERAMAX 11-05-09, 07:21 AM Thanks Haroon.
Here it goes:
http://www.hemagazine.com/Best_Innovation_Installation_09
http://www.hemagazine.com/files/innovationback.jpg
Best Innovation Installation
Cineramax of Miami, Fla.
Reinventing the Wheel
Commercial cinema and home theater come together like never before in this amazing private screening room.
read more
Read more: http://www.hemagazine.com/#ixzz0VzYxngFY
http://www.hemagazine.com/files/u3/IotYInnovation.jpg
CINERAMAX 11-15-09, 04:17 AM These low res shots give you an idea of what tro expect from this issue...
http://miamibadc.com/Images/ehm-002.jpg
http://miamibadc.com/Images/ehm-003.jpghttp://miamibadc.com/Images/ehm-004.jpg
http://miamibadc.com/Images/ehm-007.jpg
They did cover the moon of Saturn significance which is hidden from the online version...
Anyone that wants their copy autographed send along with a 25 cent fee. :D
DaveUpton 12-17-09, 10:44 PM Peter,
Not sure how I hadn't seen this yet - I just spent 4 hours agonizing over the details. This is a monumental achievement - thank you so much for sharing the process with us.
I'm anxious to hear about the 3D evolution of Prometheus now that Avatar is here.
CINERAMAX 12-19-09, 01:50 PM Well thanks for your enthusiastic response Dave. I can tell that you eat and breathe this stuff too. I have good news of a new bleeding edge cinema design in a post AVATAR world. Sit tight.
Happy Merry!
CINERAMAX 03-29-10, 08:23 PM In movie theaters hunting range scopes are used to do convergence, focus and other precision adjustments.
While we are always trying out new things with the scope at the lab, this was the chance to try it's practicality in the field on a real job.
As part of a lens tweak for focus and aspect ratio accuracy the scope came in handy eliminating the need to have a second spotter up front at the screen position.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=171532&stc=1&d=1269912076
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=171533&stc=1&d=1269912076
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=171534&stc=1&d=1269912076
The inexpensive tasco performed admirably (http://www.opticsplanet.net/tasco-20-60x80-world-class-spotting-scope-wc206080.html).
iansilv 03-29-10, 08:38 PM I am eagerly awaiting your next 3d project.
DanFrancis 03-29-10, 08:39 PM imagine what you could do with a nice one :D
(I used to shoot competitively)
Dan
CINERAMAX 04-04-10, 01:07 AM I am eagerly awaiting your next 3d project.
Thanks Ian, if you cross your fingers there may be another double whammy. ;)
CINERAMAX 04-04-10, 01:09 AM imagine what you could do with a nice one :D
(I used to shoot competitively)
Dan
Yeah Dan I wanted a fancy one they told me is not needed. As long as one sees the pixel borders accurately....
CINERAMAX 04-12-10, 11:14 PM http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=172830&stc=1&d=1271132000
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=172831&stc=1&d=1271132000
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=172832&stc=1&d=1271132000
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=172833&stc=1&d=1271132000
Huge MTF spike, significant brightness increase (maybe 10%) and great noise isolation (due to PORON SEALS).
Art Sonneborn 04-13-10, 11:36 AM Peter,
How are you measuring you MTF ? I'd like to see what I have with my HT5000.
I have a friend who helped build the corrective optics for Hubble, he said a glass with 100% transmission for practical purposes is available and he had no issues helping me with the project.
Art
DaveUpton 04-13-10, 12:10 PM You best be careful Art - or you'll have a crowd clamoring for some of that glass in no time :cool:.
CINERAMAX 04-13-10, 12:19 PM Hi Art, great news. The difference in MTF is optically compared with the previous glass in place, no glass vs new glass. You can really see pixel resolvability and more grain on film with no glass and the new glass - but in a good way!
Cheers.
Alan Gouger 04-13-10, 01:58 PM I recently bought a porthole with glass from Kelmar. Very good MTF. You do not want to use to thick of a glass MTF will take a hit. Room in progress.
http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/509/kelmar.JPG
Alan, is it true the glass is also "iron free"?
CINERAMAX 04-15-10, 02:20 AM That looks like an installation in progress to me, I wonder what state? ;)
I like your glass inclination better than the way I installed this one, fortunately is held in place by magnets and that makes the tilt reversible, right now there IS a less intense glass kickback reflection hitting the lens area, if I position it like your it may miss more lens area.
CINERAMAX 09-08-10, 09:20 AM Last night the Prometheus Room became venue of the only Household in the world to be able to Play Blu-Ray 3D in their DCI cinema projector.
THE TORUS SCREEN proved to be an amazing asset, enhancing the depth, immediacy and apparent resolution even in the most dull of the 3D tracks in the Disney sample disc.
Goes to show that the Torus keeps on coming back as a worthwhile tool in High End Screening room design.
Alan Gouger 09-08-10, 09:27 AM Alan, is it true the glass is also "iron free"?
Mark
I would not know the answer to that one without a little research or to make a quick phone call.
That looks like an installation in progress to me, I wonder what state? ;)
I like your glass inclination better than the way I installed this one, fortunately is held in place by magnets and that makes the tilt reversible, right now there IS a less intense glass kickback reflection hitting the lens area, if I position it like your it may miss more lens area.
Yes in progress. I am impressed just how well these commercial portholes keep the sound isolated. Definitely worth the cost.
Just installed a much larger window below for the 35mm projection. Will update with a picture soon.
Peter we now share the same state !
Last night the Prometheus Room became venue in the only Household in the world to be able to Play Blu-Ray 3D in their DCI cinema projector.
THE TORUS SCREEN proved to be an amazing asset, enhancing the depth, immediacy and apparent resolution even in the most dull of the 3D tracks in the Disney sample disc.
Goes to show that the Torus keeps on coming back as a worthwhile tool in High End Screening room design.
Congrats on the BD playback.
I am a fan of the Torus. It looks sexy as he!! sitting idle. Something I would consider but to late for my current room design. If I ever decide to add a Torus, Peter I would introduce you to the project.
Art Sonneborn 09-08-10, 11:41 AM Last night the Prometheus Room became venue in the only Household in the world to be able to Play Blu-Ray 3D in their DCI cinema projector.
THE TORUS SCREEN proved to be an amazing asset, enhancing the depth, immediacy and apparent resolution even in the most dull of the 3D tracks in the Disney sample disc.
Goes to show that the Torus keeps on coming back as a worthwhile tool in High End Screening room design.
Who else is using a toroidal screen ?
Art
donaldk 09-08-10, 01:44 PM All the folks with an Advent videobeam;-).
CINERAMAX 09-08-10, 02:53 PM Many of 600 AMC Torus Auditoriums Have been re-fitted with high gain Torusses coupled with the SONY Realta Dual Lens RealD system, the very finest LCOS 3-D projection systems on the field (although we are firmly in the DLP 4K 3-D Camp).
A very famous European power couple (Developer/fashion Model) are preparing a Penthouse with a swimming pool that crosses the whole flat.
You can actually splash water 3 levels down into the theater area. This will have a 3-D 4K Torus 18 feet wide. probably Gain of 1.8.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=185187&stc=1&d=1283975567
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=185189&stc=1&d=1283975567
This one has gone from Woven to Torus due to the potential for ambient light.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=185190&stc=1&d=1283975669
CINERAMAX 09-08-10, 02:59 PM Something I would consider but to late for my current room design. If I ever decide to add a Torus, Peter I would introduce you to the project.
Thanks buddy.
Hi, with witch Program u have do the scetches?
PS. This cinema is awesome
CINERAMAX 09-08-10, 07:18 PM Oh I don't know, Steve from www.objectivedesign.com did it ( the 3-D).
Thanks Gummix.
CINERAMAX 01-19-11, 12:08 AM The last color calibration was done with a Minolta CS-200, I could not place my finger on it but the color palette seemed off to me and I did not like particularly what it was doing to the black levels.
So I borrowed a recently calibrated pr-650.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=198456&stc=1&d=1295417262
You are seeing this first HERE! :D After the Calibration Despicable Me took on additional 3Dimensionality from the superior colorimetry.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=198457&stc=1&d=1295417262
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=198458&stc=1&d=1295417262
Not only did I shoot separate gamut files for 2-D and 3-D but since this is a CIH setup I shot flat and scope files (which did have slightly different readings too).
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=198459&stc=1&d=1295417262
The moral of the story , use Photo Research that makes like the twentieth time the ISF recommends something that when I try it, messes up with my image.
CINERAMAX 01-21-11, 12:50 AM http://ximaginet.pbworks.com/f/1244636127/WALL-E-WALL-PAPER-wall-e-2782789-1280-1024.jpg
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CINERAMAX 01-22-11, 09:21 PM We replaced the TI board that after 2 years and 3 months was giving error messages, the projector was not really acting up except the lens would take a long time to change aspect ratio (like 50 seconds).
The former lens was a minolta 1.6-2.5 lens.
We put in a new and improved series 2 TI Board, we replaced the lens with a Fujinon 1.6-2.5 and we completely realigned , centered and secured the lens mount with boresight and Scheimflug adjustments.
Before if you removed the lens you had to futz with it afterwards to get it back in focus. Now you can put it in and out 10 times whilst preserving this new level of never achieved before razor focus.
WELL ..... I have never seen a better setup Barco projector anywhere!.
The sharpness form the more precise ti control and superior Fujinon lens has easily tripled its corner-to-corner absolutely sick perrrfect focus, and on a TORUS!
The owner is in Aspen I told him should consider acquiring some adult diapers for when he sees this on Monday, the impression may be too strong for his system.:D
Aspect ratio change from home (1.85) to 2.37 is now 15 seconds, a huge improvement, it is now a New Projector.
The 3-D benefits immensely from having this kind of razor sharp accuracy, tiny little people and objects are now a joy to see moving around in 3-D space, before it blended away.
If at anytime some moon of saturn prospective client wanted to see what they can do, Prometheus has never been this ready for inspection before. ;)
Next we want to try a smart lamphouse and a bigger 3kw lamp,to boost the 3-D brightness while preserving the black levels at 2-D, that I will discuss next week after I get trained on it's operation in Moody Gardens.
CINERAMAX 01-26-11, 03:07 PM The projector comes with a few basic macros for a few standards.
96% of Barco users calibrate a rec 709 and watch it that way. Without starting to insult the majority, those ignorant !@#$%,:)
The beauty of owning these projectors specially with 3-D and the new Post series (http://www.barco.com/en/digitalcinema/product/2299) deep color offerings is to take advantage of the projector tools to maximize THE BLU-ray experience. Because of a wide range of mastering approaches one needs to rely on the projectors LUT 36 bit internal engine to address these variances, this is something best not done on a simple scaler.
We use someone very high in the Hollywood/Smpte look-up table expert community to model our lut's, there are many color professionals which have a good understanding of sigmoid and 3-D LUT's. When specifying a digital cinema projector to ignore that opportunity will be paid back with a rather flat dull looking but perfect rec 709. I am not marketing nothing or plugging anyone, in fact don't ask me; I will not divulge sources. I am pontificating to someone that buys a dci projecotor and under-utilizes the potential for maximum image quality.This past Monday and Tuesday I spent 48 hours watching the gold standard in 3-D cinema technolofies and 4k, it was glorious yet I couldn't help finding myself reaching for the AMX control to enhance the depth through custom lut macros.:D I could have made the best picture on earth aty least 50% better.:D
The attachments show how instead of 16 macros we are using already 56 macros at Prometheus, the next step is to create an equal amount of macros as for 2-D but for 3-D to add enhancement range to the pop out effect.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=199506&stc=1&d=1296076200
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We will have to consolidate these new 96 macros in half because the next range of projectors in the P series will require expandable color gamuts of varying degrees. I sure hope Barco increases the maximum number of macros beyond 96.
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