MaxMedia MMDTVB02 Converter Box [Text View]

WeThePeople

04-26-08, 01:09 PM

Thanks for opening a thread with the (proposed) new model number.

The last new thread about the new model got closed due to people screwing around and not taking things seriously... I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, probably called a collaborator, or a shil, or some stupid thing...but that mentallity around here is beginning on get on my nerves...

Poor mosquito taking a hit from that idiot put me over the top too. that was just crap. He's as legit as it gets.

I am not defending either of the company names involved. They have handled this in a despicable, and probably illegal way !!!

Like many I am watching and waiting, I have two cards that expire 06-13-08 so there is still time for me, and one person at least has received the substitue box so it can't be a total sham. I will not order until I see at least one person actually get one and review it though.

There is only one other box that meets my personal needs and I'm not happy with it. Not this model so I'm not going to mention make/model.

Has anyone confirmed anything about this one?

http://www.dk-tvtech.com/yellowpage/product_cg1.html

Larger pic

http://www.dk-tvtech.com/yellowpage/product_l_30534.jpg

PC board

http://www.dk-tvtech.com/yellowpage/product_l_583.jpg

Company info

http://business.com.tw/com/com.asp?id=hdy3rhdurzhyn21

Shared China-NET website IP

http://www.robtex.com/cnet/210.59.228.html

Is this our MMDTVB02 manufacture?

I could have sworn the RF jacks were on opposite ends when I looked a few weeks back, now they are side-by-side like they originate from the same tuner can :confused: !

I have emailed Sunny, but no reply so far. Will post if I get one.

All I can ask is that people stay on topic (unlike that last thread!), please!

dagger666

04-26-08, 02:17 PM

that is a pretty nice looking box :), from the outside. Is this our MMDTVB02 manufacture? I think some thought it was but If it works as good as it looks sure hope so but we will find out in another 2 months.

lexus2108

04-26-08, 07:18 PM

666 Why was other thread locked? Why not just delete the few bad posts.

Anyway I hope we get our box. When do you suggest the e-mail campaign should begin?

circuit77

04-27-08, 06:16 AM

dagger666

04-27-08, 09:14 AM

Dagger, do you know who will stock the MM02, since CMTV is off air?

nope, but cmtv is still up just not taking orders until the maxmedia box comes out. my guess if they do supply a box it will be up and running. seams no one wants the sonsonic box

dagger666

04-27-08, 09:23 AM

666 Why was other thread locked? Why not just delete the few bad posts.

Anyway I hope we get our box. When do you suggest the e-mail campaign should begin?

i would guess it's because the MMDTVB03 will never reach the shelf and things were getting a little crazy. now the MMDTVB02 is the new box just like the TR-40 thread should be closed for the DTVPAL box.

WeThePeople

04-27-08, 10:44 AM

When you say CMTV, do you mean http://www.convertmy.tv/ ???
The default page is useless, but if you know where you want to go...

(Some Spanish, PDF's Last...)
http://www.convertmy.tv/buy/
http://www.convertmy.tv/index_espanol.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/productInformation.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/informacion.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/dtv.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/step1.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/paso1.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/contact.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/contacto.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/refer-friend.php
http://www.convertmy.tv/outreach.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/finish.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/dtv_espanol.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/step1next.html

http://www.convertmy.tv/flashDEMO.swf
http://www.convertmy.tv/convertmytv.swf
http://www.convertmy.tv/flashspanish.swf

http://www.convertmy.tv/dtv_converter_box_hookup.pdf
http://www.convertmy.tv/Maxmedia%20Warranty.pdf
http://www.convertmy.tv/MaxMedia_new.pdf

Note: Parts of the site are updated to the 02 number

WeThePeople

04-27-08, 11:35 AM

In my persuit of the ever elusive DK box, I see that they manufacture a whole lot of various tuners
http://www.asia.ru/Catalog/?page=5&category_id=2062 (Scroll Half Way Down)
http://www.asia.ru/ProductInfo/197715.html

If these guys can do this, I believe the CECB box I refered to above should turn out well. Seeing how as the layout of the board is the same as what MaxMedia proposes, and we know they aren't really making it...

I remember a post in the previous models posts from someone that did finally get a picture of the proposed remote that this one looked just like it.
http://www.dk-tvtech.com/yellowpage/product_1033.jpg
That box contains an analog tuner as well, so that one wont be NTIA approved... Wah!

/RantOn
Does NTIA expect us to give up our low power churches, colleges, and public broadcasts so they can push their digital-agenda? Sheeesh...
Remember, pass-through DOES NOT result in significant loss if it is SWITCHED within, NOT SPLIT within. That has been a misunderstood topic in many threads here sadly. Yes, I am an electronic technician...
So you see, NTIA COULD have made it mandatory if a "certain company" hadn't so severely misinformed the commity in the beginning.
http://peregrine-semi.com/pdf/datasheets/pe42742ds.pdf
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf/3198326.pdf
http://www.peregrine-semi.com/content/products/broadband/broadband_switch.html
http://www.necel.com/microwave/en/ic/switch.html
/RantOff

(Had to get that out of my system..., sorry...)

Well anyway, still no return email from DK Video Technology Corp. :mad:

Anyone here have free long distance to China? :cool:

Phone (07)35-58678
Phone 886-7-35-57612
FAX (07)35-41093
FAX 886-7-35-41093
Mobile 0-931-729-129
Mobile 886-931-729-129

Got SKYPE?
Skype Account sunnyman0801

Chief Executive Officer: Ting Hwa
Sales Manager: Sunny - Sun Ming Yuan
Trade Mark: DK TVTECH

Other:
E-mail dk.mysunny@msa.hinet.net
MSN Account dk.mysunny@msa.hinet.net

See what you can find out

Note: I seek to confirm/deny that this is the box MaxMedia plans to take credit for. Upon finding out it is not, I will start a thread for it seperately. Until then, it just looks to much like it to not safely assume from a distance it is until proven otherwise.

**************************************************
Found these after I posted (List will grow...)
http://business.com.tw/com/com.asp?id=hdy3rhdurzhyn21

Need proof MaxMedia reads these forums ?
http://maxmedia-usa.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=23&id=29&catid=9&func=fb_pdf

dagger666

04-27-08, 04:13 PM

yes the main page may take you nowhere but as the other links show the site is still up. Only a minor change to the first Page and it's back in business which i'm sure will happen with/if maxmedia releases a box.

TalkingRat

04-27-08, 06:19 PM

circuit77

04-27-08, 06:38 PM

Interesting that CMTV now says "on backorder" instead of "unavailable at this time" or however it was worded when they switched box numbers. "Backorder" is hardly the word for a product that isn't released yet, or CECB approved. If CMTV came off the CECB approved list pending investigation by NTIA's legal counsel, that would explain why the main site is closed to newcomers. It appears that all they are doing right now is sending out Sansonics to people whose coupons they prematurely redeemed.

If June is real, that would be fast work. Has any other box make it to market within two months of being approved?

Ok, so those who used their coupons early can only select from the sansonic box right ? I think that may be the 02 is a upgrade of the 03 and may be mostly/partly approved already... I have no clue really, just guessing ! Anyhow- lets see what arrives in June. I mean we have until Feb 09 to be safe, true ?

circuit77

04-28-08, 01:14 AM

TalkingRat

04-28-08, 02:29 AM

WethePeople, so DK only has 10 employees? :eek:

Hey, there's another thing in common with its partners.

circuit77

04-28-08, 02:44 AM

WethePeople, so DK only has 10 employees? :eek:

Hey, there's another thing in common with its partners.

As a matter possibly mis leading the public ...Please ensure that the Posting of information that can not be verified but is stated as fact. (Proof?), be considered before posting.

WeThePeople

04-28-08, 10:46 AM

Circuit77, Your welcome to do a Whois on them and see what I saw.
A company profile reviewer in Taiwan, Like yellow pages with details
http://business.com.tw/com/com.asp?id=hdy3rhdurzhyn21

Anyway, I have an email from DK-Video to post. It has a pic attached. The pic is the same one above, just smaller sadly.

*********************************************************
Dear Sir:

This is Solomon from DK company in charge of the Sales.
Thank you for your inquiry? DK Video Technology Co., Ltd., is produce digital TV receiver product.
Our major product are including DVB-T/ ISDB-T and ATSC systems of digital TV receiver. And we could
provide premium product technology and solution to customer.
Our tunner could be combine with product that have av in plug, its including:
GPS + digital TV receiver
Portable DVD + digital TV receiver
TFT LCD Monitor + digital TV receiver
Digital Frame + digital TV receiver
Roof Mount LCD + digital TV receiver....etc.

Our ATSC DTV Receiver - 480i is suitable in car's market.

http://imgfarm.com/images/webmail/imgFil_spacer.gif
Specification
Channel Coverage : Terrestrial 2- 69
Connecting Jacks :
ANT IN F connector ( 75 ohm )
ANT OUT F connector ( 75 ohm )
Video output : 1-pin RCA jack , 1Vpp, 480i composite
Analog Audio output
2-Pin RCA jack ( L,R ) , 450mVrms(100k ohm)
Smart Antenna : ( Optional feature )
RS-232 : Port For software upgrade
S-Video ( Optional )
RF input : DTV standard ATSC
Power Source : 100-240 VAC , 50/60Hz +/- 0.5%
Power consumption :
W/O smart antenna , 6W ( Power on )
w/smart antenna , 8.5W ( Power on )
Less than 300mW ( Power off )
Operation Condition :
41F ( 5C ) - 104F ( 40C )
Weight : 0.5312 lb ( 241g )
Dimension :
L:7.87 in * W: 4.33 in * H: 1.38 in

If you have any further questions, please directly contact with us and we will quickly feedback to you.
Also please tell me how many quantities do you request/ where to sell/ or your condition(company or an individual),
that all will help to quote.
thank you
best regards
Solomon
DK VIDEO TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.
Website: www.dk-tvtech.com (http://www.dk-tvtech.com)
E-mail: solomon.chou@msa.hinet.net

No. 606, Daji Rd., Dashe Shiang,
Kaohsiung County 815, Taiwan

************************************************************ *************

Sure does read like the box in question, doesn't it?
I don't like S-Video and Smart Antenna being optional!

WeThePeople

04-28-08, 12:58 PM

I have just shot an email back requesting single unit pricing.
and bulk pricing for any of the dealers here that are interested.

I didn't want to ask if it is the "02" just yet... next email

I noted my concern the two things we want are "Optional"
Will post the reply upon receipt ...

TalkingRat

04-28-08, 02:00 PM

circuit77 wants to know employee counts. That's all in the original MaxMedia thread so it won't be repeated here. You posted there before. Have a good read.

But you are the one holding out on us!! You said of the MM-02 : "All reports have it as a well built and fully spec'd box." This is totally amazing!!! You have a scoop, here. Links to all reports, please!!

Does this mean someone had a prototype MM02 and tested and reported on it, and the build quality? Link, please!

Does this mean someone got hold of the actual specs on this box from the mfg? Wow, that is not even accessible on the MM website yet. There was a space reserved for MM03 product spec sheet, but the product was pulled before the specs saw the light of day.

What a coup, more than one report, even. Waiting for links!

wh5916

04-28-08, 03:14 PM

TalkingRat

04-28-08, 04:32 PM

short circuiting many places, including digs (2) about mosquito. It's hard to tell what he's admitted to, other than being a troublemaker. But hey, if there are links to specs, I'll read.

lbjohn

04-28-08, 06:45 PM

To be fair, if the 02 box do indeed materialize in June, it would be the best deal amongst all retailer. By all means, where else can you find a box with smart antenna, analog pass thru, s-video, universal remote, plus free shipping, for $59.99? If you shop around, you will realize that a box with comparable features can cost around $79.99 plus shipping.

I am betting $20 and one coupon on this box. If it turns out otherwise, so be it. In the meantime, I bought a DigitalStream7500. It only comes with a universal remote. I can now clearly watch shows like Lost on digital, which I cannot see via analog, while waiting for the 02 box ...

#13

circuit77

04-28-08, 10:23 PM

short circuiting many places, including digs (2) about mosquito. It's hard to tell what he's admitted to, other than being a troublemaker. But hey, if there are links to specs, I'll read.

No links, just a personal opinion (as is permitted in this thread) of what I think the box will be like.

After reviewing all other options I do believe that the MM box will be sufficient for my needs. I mean these guys seem OK, once you see past the "public defamation" of them by unknowns.

Anyway, lets just see, relax man...

Cheers

TalkingRat

04-28-08, 10:50 PM

circuit77

04-28-08, 10:58 PM

Nobody says you can't have a personal opinion. But it is one thing to state "I believe this box will be a well built and a fully spec'd box" and quite another to say "All reports have it as well built and fully spec'd."

Don't relax so much you forget the difference between opinion and research, eh?

Thanks you... now we are finally getting somewhere!! I realise.. research (factual research and opinion are different.... I think we all do)

So you pick up on little words that are my common speak! "by all reports" is a common phrase of mine, and yes just may be you were sensitive to that..

meaning ... the original thread on the 03 stated and sung the praises of the 03, and I thinks that the 02 will be similar-ish... so eg. That was a report! Yes here in AV forums.. see what I mean !

having no dealt with max media I am obviously not as sensitive towards them as you. So dont hand me out over, an opinion. ... cool

no lets move on , shall we !:)

dagger666

04-29-08, 09:43 AM

Kelson

04-29-08, 10:49 AM

why are you guys fighting, the praises of a box no one ever seen with features never existed comparing to another box that no one has seen again. yeah the B03 had nice specs on paper because they were only on paper while the B02 can't even Post that. It will be a nice surprise just to see the box in june let alone it being top of the list.I have been wondering this myself as I followed along. Where is the passion coming from? Was there some sort of pre-order scam with this box that people got caught on?

WeThePeople

04-29-08, 12:22 PM

Yeah Kelson,

They got pre-order screwed by a pair of questionable critters posing as companies. For the record, the original box (MMDTVB03) does exist. Scroll up and you'll see the company that makes it. I am awaiting a single-unit quote. Plus a few answers about the actual unit.

No, thats not a typo btw. The "Newer" unit said critters propose to sell actually has a lower model number (MMDTVB02).

To appreciate what these guys have gone through with those marketing idiots, go read the original (locked) MMDTVB03 thread. They've all been yanked around and lied to from the beginning...

Myself, I have two coupons I will use the day before 06-13-08 on whatever exist in real space at that time that I like. But I may get one of the boxes in my above posts at cost (without coupon discount) because it has all I want.

rrrrrroger

05-01-08, 07:33 AM

No links, just a personal opinion (as is permitted in this thread) of what I think the box will be like.

After reviewing all other options I do believe that the MM box will be sufficient for my needs. I mean these guys seem OK, once you see past the "public defamation" of them by unknowns. I suspect circuit77 is related to orangetang (a suspected employee of MaxMedia). Just my opinion (as is permitted in this thread).

As for public defamation, it is well-deserved. Here are the facts:

- The company promised the box would be available for March 3rd.
- They pushed it back to the 4th. Then the 5th. Then the 6th.
- Finally people were able to order it circa March 12.
-
- Then people discovered they had been LIED to. The unit they thought they had BOUGHT and would soon arrive at their door, was no longer available. Instead the customers received emails saying "will be mailed-out in April."
- Then that date was pushed back to May.
- And then that date was pushed back to June, and the 002 model was substituted.

So MaxMedia committed several mistakes in customer service, plus two possible crimes (cashing-in coupons and not delivering hardware) (plus bait-n-switch). If MaxMedia is defamed, it is through their OWN ACTIONS, not from anything we innocent bystanders have done.

You may say "these guys seem ok" but I sure as hell don't agree with that opinion. Based upon the facts just enumerated, they seem the polar opposite of "okay" and I won't be handing them a single penny..... not until I see a box in somebody's hands and they report back that they are happy. Only then will Maxmedia have redeemed themselves in my eyes.

Until then I consider them about as trustworthy as an Enron CEO.

lexus2108

05-01-08, 12:26 PM

I suspect circuit77 is related to orangetang (a suspected employee of MaxMedia). Just my opinion (as is permitted in this thread).

As for public defamation, it is well-deserved. Here are the facts:

- The company promised the box would be available for March 3rd.
- They pushed it back to the 4th. Then the 5th. Then the 6th.
- Finally people were able to order it circa March 12.
-
- Then people discovered they had been LIED to. The unit they thought they had BOUGHT and would soon arrive at their door, was no longer available. Instead the customers received emails saying "will be mailed-out in April."
- Then that date was pushed back to May.
- And then that date was pushed back to June, and the 002 model was substituted.

So MaxMedia committed several mistakes in customer service, plus two possible crimes (cashing-in coupons and not delivering hardware) (plus bait-n-switch). If MaxMedia is defamed, it is through their OWN ACTIONS, not from anything we innocent bystanders have done.

You may say "these guys seem ok" but I sure as hell don't agree with that opinion. Based upon the facts just enumerated, they seem the polar opposite of "okay" and I won't be handing them a single penny..... not until I see a box in somebody's hands and they report back that they are happy. Only then will Maxmedia have redeemed themselves in my eyes.

Until then I consider them about as trustworthy as an Enron CEO.

This is exactly what happened. Good account of the facts.

My calling Ntia to complain had nothing to do with the fact they are under investigation's . They caused this, not me

BTW roggger I picked up a maganavox G9 the other day. You can pm me for details

dagger666

05-02-08, 05:26 PM

I would like to say the MaxMedia box is the best i ever owned, really great. I would like to say that but here May 2nd and still i don't have a MaxMedia box and it went like this:

Convert My TV
Order Receipt
Please print or save this as your receipt.
Phone: (877) DTV-SITE
Email: support@convertmy.tv
Mail:Convert My TV
PO Box 921
FAIRVIEW, OR 97024 US
Order date: 3/21/2008. OnlineOrder_00000025
Thank you for your order
ordered one: Order date: 3/21/2008. OnlineOrder_00000025
Requires Coupon Voucher â†’ MaxMedia ATSC Converter Box (MMDTVB03). Free Shipping to the Continental US. 1 MMDTVB03discount Free Shipping Domestic Only $19.99 $19.99 Grand Total: $19.99

WeThePeople

05-02-08, 05:40 PM

I don't want you guys to think I forgot about you.

I have just sent a second request for a bulk dealer quote and confirmation the ''Optional'' features will be in the US shipped models.

I am not going to touch the MaxMedia topic, Pointless to do so.

But I will ask AFTER they have shipped me a unit (out of my own pocket / no coupon applied) if they were the original manufacturer, and why they blew-off those guys. I'm sure we all can figure out why, I'm sure they wanted the dough up front rather than extend a line of shippers credit to those jokers...

I will also post here that I started a new thread and reference it with a link if I do confirm not to be ''Said'' unit :rolleyes:

Ken H

05-02-08, 06:09 PM

Unnecessary posts deleted.

massavfan

05-02-08, 07:14 PM

Thanks, Ken.

After nearly a month of "silence" from CMTV, I decided to check on my "02" order status today. Surprisingly, their customer support is still alive...

"Public information will be posted on either the NTIA DTV2009.gov site, Maxmedia site, or Convert My TV site in the coming weeks. At this point, all I can say is that "things are going in a positive direction" ... keep in touch."

circuit77

05-02-08, 07:34 PM

I am thinking of a small claims lawsuit. My friend the lawyer is helping me

Sounds like a good idea. Let's do it.:)

circuit77

05-02-08, 07:37 PM

lexus2108

05-02-08, 09:11 PM

Sounds like a good idea. Let's do it.:)

Great PM me your name and address and I will have my friend add you to the suit.

WeThePeople

05-03-08, 06:03 AM

I need to say first, that the delay with Taiwan was because Excite.com domain addresses are for the most part blocked/bounced.

Having figured that out I have opened (finally) a line of communication from a Yahoo addy...

Below is the beginnings of a quote negotiation and attached is the PDF manual for your feedback.

It is the Thomson tuner, and the Texas Instrument chipset btw.

*********************************************************
Dear xxxx:

1: Omitted/Personal Info

2: Omitted/Personal Info

3. I have attached the ATSC spec for your reference, and our product focus
portable market, so base on U.S.A. system whether in car or yacht is no problem to
receive the digital signal.

4. Our ATSC use--
Tuner: Thomson
Chipset: TI

5. Smart Antenna and S-Video:
Optional means the body have its function, but the accessory must to be choose,
because different environment( home/ car/ yacht) should be use dissimilar antenna.
And then we will discuss with customer that should we provide or customer will buy
by themselves. But whether who provide the antenna, we must testing its function.

6. Quotaion:
We only can provide body price( sample--US$ 52 without accessories/ FOB Taiwan), and then discuss which accessory do you like
to add in the final quotation.
Transportation charge will confirm and provide later.
If you need the accessories, we should be confirm again which one do you like then to update.

7. I think if you are interesting in our product, directly contact with you is our pleasure.

Thank you for your support

best regards
Solomon

************************************************************ ***

Correction1:
Forum attachments prevent me from attaching the PDF manual
due to half-meg size limit. :( Manual is 1.1-Mb

I will try compressing/splitting with Win-RAR into two files...

Correction2:
.RAR is not an accepted extension :mad:, resorting to .ZIP...

Correction3:
No dice..Staying with Win-RAR, just remove the .ZIP fake extensions :rolleyes:

Just remove the .ZIP from each and unpack to a single PDF file again.

If you achival client wont unpack them,
Win-RAR can be used (for free) here:
http://www.rarlabs.com/rar/wrar371.exe

markrubin

05-03-08, 06:03 AM

posts deleted/ a member suspended

WeThePeople

05-03-08, 06:06 AM

For the love of Pizza, TY Mark !!!

WeThePeople

05-03-08, 06:13 AM

Don't get me wrong, I am 99% sure this was to be one of those MaxMedia model numbers. But I am hesitant to start a new thread for it until I actually have one in hand to review...

I hope this meets with everyones approval?

Oh, and give Solomon a break. It is obvious his native language is not english, but I am happy to just have an open line of communication with a Taiwan manufacture at all at this point. He's doing the best he can at Twinglish (Taiwanese>English).

WeThePeople

05-03-08, 07:12 AM

take a peek at the attached PDF above and tell me what you think if you have a moment.

It can freeze-frame lol.

channel scan overwrites (instead of adds), but manual add can be seen.

now next EPG only...

At least they were nice enough to warn of the 4-Hr auto-off on first page!

Remote uses a code available in newer universal remotes.

Has themes, transparancies, and a service menu.

RS-232 port for software upgrades.

Some funny typo's 180i/480p, etc.
amd get a hoot out of the programs on the fake EPG lol.
Clearly an American had something to do with that...
Anyone know where KTVT-DT D-11.1 is?

I will be thinking/collecting questions until Monday,
then I will write and ask them all:

Confirm manual add for channels (I see '''manual' on menu pic)
Confirm unwanted channels can be skipped/removed
Confirm negative chassis ground on 5V jack
Confirm available output formats, 480P IS LISTED (Deemed ''Display'' format), but specs say 480i
Confirm Pass-Through (Menu Type? / Power-off type?)
Confirm Who pas the royalties (TI, MPEG, Dolby)
Contirm adjustment for upcomming Chinese labor laws increase

(Note: CECB does not appear anywhere in the manual, could go either way,
but S-Video limits would be useless after 480i and most likely progressive
may not display correctly through any of these jacks ...)
(If you do this for a living, please advise?)

Any questions to add ???

dagger666

05-03-08, 08:07 AM

You think all this MaxMedia stuff if funny check this out. oh my god i just wrote summit and this is what they said

Me:has the Channel Master CM-7000 come in stock yet
Summit Source: Channel Master called us to let us their boat from the factory was delayed in Bulgaria, and that we'll be receiving the boxes from them the week of May 19th. We'll ship them out to our customers the day they hit our doorstep.

who the hell makes electronics in Bulgaria. Why do i feel all the manufactures boxes that are to be released in June are on this ship. I feel we have a good chance of seeing a MaxMedia box in June as promised. The goverment is on their butts now and the only saving grace is to bring a box to market for them.

markrubin

05-03-08, 08:40 AM

could we get back on topic please?

wh5916

05-03-08, 09:02 AM

take a peek at the attached PDF above and tell me what you think if you have a moment.

It can freeze-frame lol.

channel scan overwrites (instead of adds), but manual add can be seen.

now next EPG only...

At least they were nice enough to warn of the 4-Hr auto-off on first page!

Remote uses a code available in newer universal remotes.

Has themes, transparancies, and a service menu.

RS-232 port for software upgrades.

Any questions to add ???

I've tried several times with IzArc, but I can't get part 2 to extract, even after downloading it a second time.

Part 1 was successful though, so I've been able to glance through at least part of the user manual. The Magnavox converter also has freeze-frame capability, though I've yet to see anyone bring it up in a forum or review. I found out through a friend who redeemed her coupon at Wal-Mart for the Magnavox.

Overall, I'm not very impressed with what I've seen in part 1 of the manual...it's not enough to make me want to hang onto my last coupon and order the MaxMedia, once it makes it to market. The menus look badly outdated, though I suppose the actual production box might be better. These could simply be poorly done illustrations.

The remote looks somewhat plain, though not the worst I've seen...and I hate the idea of having to deal with yet another AC adapter.The S-Video addition, though, is a welcome feature, but over here it's not essential. Because of connector limitations in the den, the Zenith converter that I purchased runs first through my JVC S-VHS VCR...and that deck does a marvelous job cleaning up a composite video signal. Once a composite video signal exits via the S-video out jack on the JVC, jagged edges and dot crawl are completely gone.

BTW, the basic channel scan with the Zenith overwrites completely as well, but there is also an "add channel" scan that simply searches and adds anything new to the list that was already stored in memory.

WeThePeople

05-03-08, 09:50 AM

This is a single PDF file split into two pieces by Win-RAR to accomodate this forums size limit restriction.

wh5916,
Did you take off the .ZIP fake extensions
so it knew it was a multi-part .RAR first ?
(This forum dosn't allow .RAR's either...)

I'll post a self-extracting set this time for those without Win-RAR

REMOVE THE ''DOT'' AND THE ''ZIP'' BEFORE USE...
(FileName.exe.ZIP = FileName.exe)
( FileName.rar.ZIP = FileName.rar)
This forum only seems to accept .ZIP filename extensions...

wh5916

05-03-08, 11:05 AM

WeThePeople

05-03-08, 03:38 PM

Been a life-long Win-RAR user, I swear by it for huge batch jobs to a set of DVD's livetime.

But that is a nice widget you use there, and FREE! :)

Glad it worked out. I didn't post self-extractables first time because as a rule I don't think It's wise to post executables that can be infected easily.

For those without something to work with archives, here is the free tool he uses.
http://www.izarc.org/

Please tell me what you think of the unit, and any questions I should ask next week. I'm still at 99% not 100% certain it is one of the MaxMedia models.

I need to get mine on the boat to here before I ask a touchy question like that, lol...

If they say no, I'll discontinue posting here and start a thread with a seperate name in respect of the PPO's (People with Pending Orders).

But I think you'll agree it is one, expecialy if you scroll through the old thread and look at the remote pic sent to someone directly by email. Connector layout is identical as is the faceplate button layout. case is different.

But a porche cover kit on a VW chassis is stil a Bug... (Ouch, did I mean that???)

Ken H

05-03-08, 04:31 PM

More posts deleted.

lexus2108

05-03-08, 04:49 PM

lexus2108

05-03-08, 04:57 PM

WeThePeople

05-03-08, 04:58 PM

WeThePeople

05-03-08, 05:01 PM

I agree Lexus2108

lexus2108

05-03-08, 05:28 PM

What a fantastic find !

And lightens AVS's Server load!

And gets around the absurdly low size limit for documents and archives...

Nice :D

Here is the Perma-Link to the shared PDF:
http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/ucraaF

Hey,

I am glad I can help you help us. LOL

Now lets sing CUMBYA lol

Ok Now for my questions

1) is this ASTC box for sale yet?

2) Is this a copy of the MM box or did MM copy them?

3) When will this box be available.

This looks like the same box as MM.

Looks good

Just wondering

WeThePeople

05-03-08, 07:00 PM

1 - Fully manufactured and available now.

2 - Don't know, won't ask (Until I have the first one in hand!)

3 - They will only go through dealers, I have to enter into a dealers
agreement to get the first box for technical review as example.

I'll just answer the next expected question...

Will I sell them, and can coupons be applied.

Sure, If the price with FOB is acceptable to all.
No, I am not an NTIA authorized dealer!

Don't get me wrong. I want the (Proposed) MaxMedia box.

I have two coupons good until 06-13-08.
One coupon will /may go to them if a product appears and they stop being so dodgy/aren't already indited for fraud...

But I am getting this first box out of pocket if reasonably priced just to have it. Screw the friggin coupons for the moment.

Then of course getting one of those smart antennas Hol_Ends reviewed/pulled apart for pics.

I will share my full review, supply a way-updated PDF for it, and provide technical details to whomever asks. But this is my experiment. And I just hope others benifit from it in some way.

Chances are I'll yield to a professional reseller like Mosquito that is already registered with the NTIA and drop-ship pallets to him if we even get that far. That would be way fairer to everyone on the FOB thingy.

But until I get one, and pass one to him for review too. That won't happen.

And even then, you'd have to want it without coupon is my guess, unless after I have one in hand I find the FCC-ID IS the one listed with NTIA as tested already ... :cool:

DigaDo

05-03-08, 07:08 PM

The manual doesn't appear to address analog pass through.

WeThePeople

05-03-08, 07:10 PM

I'm going to repeat myself slightly to make sure I'm absolutely clear about my reasoning.

I worked in the marine electronics field for over 12 years. I am a factory certified technician for over 37 major brands as a board-level SMC warranty in field technician for up 200' vessals. All maner of things from radar and sonar to custom computers I had to make to tolorate the marine enviroment for mapping and navigation software driven my GPS locatiors...

All big ticket stuff.

And if I learned one thing about dealing with manufacturing companies, the one thing you never ever do is even dare mention the name of another dealer. It gets you blackballed fast.

Perhaps this answers the question you no doubt have as to why not ''just ask''. You DON'T just ask. I will make the MM connection when a box with a valid FCC-IS is in my hand and I have been to the FCC site to look it up. Chances are the answer will be right there on their application...

Once established and with a 1st piece of product in hand, I then can tactfully ask if I am ''stepping'' on the territory of any other dealers footprint and gently slip MaxMedia in as an example and judge the response. But the deal between them and MaxMedia IS a private business matter and frankly none of my biz in their eyes. Dealer to Manufacture agreements prohibit sharing info as a rule...

You see?

WeThePeople

05-03-08, 07:11 PM

Ty DigiDo,
It has been added to next weeks list of questions (scroll up)

The manual is horribly weak. I will fully rewrite it upon product review

lexus2108

05-03-08, 07:35 PM

WeThePeople

05-03-08, 07:44 PM

Fantastic, good to know Lexus2108.

Sell them, if it helps a few people...

Only that I have to enter a dealers agreement facilitates that.

After my response to next weeks questions (confirming this is still a viable product for the US market) I may shoot Mosquito a heads up and see if he's interested in larger volume sales. That would be a more responsible thing to do.

I'm a technician, he's a storefront.

lexus2108

05-03-08, 08:38 PM

dagger666

05-04-08, 08:05 AM

well it's may 4th and countdown has begin until a june release of the MaxMedia box.

OldJack32

05-05-08, 05:44 AM

The MaxMedia MMDTVB02 is a standard-def OTA DTV CECB, not an HDTV device. Please migrate this thread, and the now-closed MaxMedia MMDTV03 thread, to the new CECB subforum. Thank you.

Please migrate this thread. Many thanks.

lexus2108

05-07-08, 01:39 AM

Any news on this box?

WeThePeople

05-07-08, 11:59 AM

(If that was aimed at me...)
Waiting for an rmail reply to a second round of questions.
Some technical, some logistic (Whom pays royalties, Etc.)

WeThePeople

05-09-08, 08:58 AM

Getting news from Taiwan is a slow business,
I have at least gotten an acknowledgement of my questions
in the form of ''We will respond next week'' (5-12 to 5-16).

Sorry the story is moviing so sloooow.

rwcrwc

05-09-08, 01:56 PM

WeThePeople,

That's OK...just keep us informed of your progress as it happens.

lexus2108

05-09-08, 02:20 PM

Extending coupons
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6559158.html?display=Breaking+News&referral=SUPP&nid=2228

Kelson

05-10-08, 12:53 AM

Extending coupons
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6559158.html?display=Breaking+News&referral=SUPP&nid=2228What I found most interesting about your link was the link contained within about the Wilmington NC test market. So, Wilmington NC is going to pull the plug on analog 6 months early on 9/8/08. They are doing this as an FCC test case so the FCC can see what a mess they are going to have on their hands come 2/09. Should be intersting to follow.

narkspud

05-10-08, 01:57 PM

Should be even more interesting than you think. The FCC's main reason for picking Wilmington (all stations at their final DT allotment at their final power level) isn't even slightly true. The NBC is having coverage problems, and has a CP for a stronger and closer transmitter location that can't even be set up until after the switch, and the CBS (a low power) doesn't even have their DTV on the air yet. Media reports to the contrary are from people who don't live in Wilmington like my parents do.

Also, the owners of the PBS station have "declined to participate" in the test, citing the fact that it's taking place in a coastal market in the middle of hurricane season. They fail to mention that it's merely a satellite for a statewide network originating in Chapel Hill, which is 150 miles away. I don't think they even have facilities to originate programming in Wilmington if a hurricane does come.

The commercial stations are fine with it because Wilmington has 91% cable/satellite penetration (and with a grand total of 7 broadcast TV signals, 3 of which are low power, who can blame them?).

And then there's the FCC's plans for the "test", which include inundating this small market with FCC staff, call centers, billboards, radio ads, seminars, presentations, booths at public events, pamphlet drops, skywriting, you name it. I wonder if Detroit, Houston and Portland get the same treatment in February?

And thus we have Chapter 2 of "The Greatest Wimp-out in the History of Congress."

seatacboy

05-10-08, 02:17 PM

And thus we have Chapter 2 of "The Greatest Wimp-out in the History of Congress." I'm sure when the GAO conducts a performance audit of the NTIA CECB program in late 2009, Convert My TV and MaxMedia will receive dubious mention.

One of the strangest parts of the 02/17/09 cutoff is that thousands of low-power stations - many of which don't provide local content but which simply retransmit ShopNBC, Jewelry TV, or Daystar - will continue broadcasting in analog.

dagger666

05-10-08, 03:02 PM

this is all bull, either you switch or you go dead air. enought with this crap, everyone get with the program.

seatacboy

05-10-08, 03:07 PM

this is all bull, either you switch or you go dead air. enought with this crap, everyone get with the program. Agree. Politics are the big problem here. Congress is pandering to dozens of conflicting special-interest groups, and the Executive Branch has been denied the police power to actually demand 100% compliance with the so-called analog shut-off.

massavfan

05-11-08, 11:10 AM

FYI...As of this morning (11 May, 2008, 11:08 EDT), the now-defunct Max Media MMDTVB03 has been removed from the NTIA list of approved CECBs. Nothing has changed on the maxmedia-usa or CMTV sites.

lexus2108

05-11-08, 12:09 PM

FYI...As of this morning (11 May, 2008, 11:08 EDT), the now-defunct Max Media MMDTVB03 has been removed from the NTIA list of approved CECBs. Nothing has changed on the maxmedia-usa or CMTV sites.

The fact that we heard NOTHING from these people. Leads you to believe it was a scam from day 1

bmorleymn

05-12-08, 05:23 PM

The fact that we heard NOTHING from these people. Leads you to believe it was a scam from day 1

I heard it was all legit on day 1. The scam didn't start until day 2.:D

lexus2108

05-12-08, 10:38 PM

I heard it was all legit on day 1. The scam didn't start until day 2.:D

What happened on Day 3?:)

dagger666

05-13-08, 01:02 PM

well i send an email to Convert My TV asking about the june release of the new box several weeks ago and haven't heard a word back. i guess they cut and ran so bye bye coupon.

bmorleymn

05-13-08, 03:44 PM

What happened on Day 3?:)

According to Genesis - God separated the dark from the light on Day 3.
According to CMTV - They separated the suckers from their money and coupons.

wh5916

05-13-08, 05:30 PM

Their support forum is virtually a ghost town. The only new posting I saw, a moment ago, was from someone convinced that no orders will ever be filled. No moderator has stepped in to refute that posting.

lexus2108

05-13-08, 05:38 PM

Memsen is still saying June delivery

WeThePeople

05-14-08, 06:37 AM

I Have finally gotten an email with enough info to be worth posting.

The language barrier is causing errors though.

I'll post the ongoing stream of emails
seperated by lines.

If I can.

This forum hasn't let me post for days now,
just wipes out all my text and tells me to type at least one character...
Weird

WeThePeople

05-14-08, 07:01 AM

Sun, 4 May 2008 11:46:06 +0800
Dear Paul:
Thank you for your support, and I will contact with our RD to confirm the 5 Volt power jack issue next week.

**************************************************
Mon, 5 May 2008 21:13:10 +0800
Dear Paul:

About the 5 volt power jack issue:
I have contact with our RD, doulbe check again that our product also have negative ground.
I think there are many equiptments in the yacht/ car...etc, but our product is cooperate with monitor or TV.. etc.,
so the negative ground is OK, but if our product is combine or put with yacht motor or generator it may be produce
interference, so should be put into the correct place.
Express charge:
Maybe you can provide your DHL/ FEDEX NO. to me, and it is convenient to us.
Or should be wait until you have choose which accessory do you like then I can calculate its weight then to quote.

best regards
Solomon

**************************************************
Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:37 PM
Solomon,

I hope your right about the negative ground chassis.
That is a deal breaker for the USA..

Anyone hooking a positive ground chassis
to a negative ground equipment in any way
can cause permanant damage.
(Even if properly fused, Ive seen it.)

I still have a few questions,
but let me respond to you first.

I need a test unit that has ALL features (Options).

Your product with be run on a regulated 12V-to-5V DC-switching supply,
Interference from voltage fluctuations and generator noise will not be a problem.

I would prefer you use your shipping account with insurance
to ship the first (single) test unit to me to evaluate.
I will pay for all costs up front before you ship.
I will open a full business account upon satisfactory test unit review.

Non-Technical questions:
A - Will these be duty-free in customs?

B - Are the royalties for MPEG, Dolby, TI already covered?

C - What FCC-ID number is on these units?

D - You have upcomming Chinese Labor-laws changes due. Does this quote reflect that increase?

Technical Questions:
The rest of my questions are simpler.
Although I will add these answers to the
re-written PDF manual for you to distribute
after I have fully evaluated your test unit,
I am hoping to get these answered now if I can.
1 - We experience television transmissions from more than one direction. You have an automatic scan that deletes all current channel information according to the PDF.
Can you manually add the second, third, and often fourth direction channel information after an antenna rotor turns the antenna to these other station directions?

2 - Once a full list is built, can channels that were undesirable during the first initial "Automatic" scan be removed from the channel lineup?

3 - Does the unit have the ability to pass-through the RF signals to retain current and post-2009transision analog signals?

Thank you for answers to all
Paul - OB's Sericves

**************************************************
Fri, 9 May 2008 20:43:51 +0800
Dear Paul:

I will feedback to you next week.
Thank you

best regards
Solomon
**************************************************
Wed, 14 May 2008 11:19:47 +0800
Dear Paul:

Sorry to delay.
Below messages for your reference.

A - Will these be duty-free in customs?
As I know, ATSC import duty is during free~5%, why?
because regard as customs decide, there are many types of
ATSC in Amercian inculding SDTV/ EDTV/ HDTV and convertor box.
Our product is SDTV, so maybe please help to confirm our product
is 5% or zero.
thank you very much

B - Are the royalties for MPEG, Dolby, TI already covered?
TI has including the MPEG and Dolby functions.
But the finished goods don't have the royalties because we are OEM manufacture, so our customer could use their brand in the model,
and to do the license action.

C - What FCC-ID number is on these units?
Yes, the model has pass FCC identification, so when we ship to U.S.A, we will add the no in the plastic case.

D - You have upcomming Chinese Labor-laws changes due. Does this quote reflect that increase?
No, only SMT parts produce in China, testing?assembly and key technology are in Taiwan. So, no reflect, because we are technology
orientation and still in Taiwan. Also don't have any plan to move to China.

1 - We experience television transmissions from more than one direction. You have an automatic scan that deletes all current channel information according to the PDF.
Can you manually add the second, third, and often fourth direction channel information after an antenna rotor turns the antenna to these other station directions?
Our antenna don't have the function, and can't achieve your goal.
Our product use many kinds of antenna in different market, for example: house/ car/ yacht. They are use not uniform antenna.
But I have find a company that have a new product can match your idea in the yacht.
I have attached the picture for your reference.

2 - Once a full list is built, can channels that were undesirable during the first initial "Automatic" scan be removed from the channel lineup?
We have do many times for testing the functions, if we can receive the signal and will be desirable to see.

3 - Does the unit have the ability to pass-through the RF signals to retain current and post-2009transision analog signals?
No, our product is only for digital signal.

By the way, may I ask a question?
Are there any power supply like 110 AC or 12V DC in the yacht?

Thank you for your support.

best regards
Solomon

**************************************************
Long read wasn't it...

PLEASE don't quote the whole thing in replies,
just the relevant parts to your responses.
It's just to long to do full quoted replies.

First, you'll note that royalties haven't been paid.
So I'm out.

They manufacture as OEM to have a dealer "Brand" them.
Best I understand, it would be illegal getting one
without me getting into a bonded royalty payment
agreement with Texas Instruments. Am I wrong guys?

I'm not concerned about the duty tariff of 5%

They really aren't getting the re-scan/add question on channels...

I didn't get an FCC number from them yet, but at least it was tested and passed.

I set out to find the manufacturer of the MaxMedia box.
I'm not going to touch the MaxMedia "dealer" topic directly.
But at this point I feel I DID find the box, it is real,
but I'm in no position to import and "Brand" it
much less do the whole bonded royalty thing...

Sorry guys, unless someone instructs me otherwise I'm going to drop this now...

WeThePeople

05-14-08, 07:07 AM

Took me hours to post that!

My text (pasted/typed) on three different machines
and various Micro$haft OS's does the same darned thing.

Anyone else getting this error when posting?

''The following errors occurred when this message was submitted''

''1. The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 1 characters.''

Note: I DID enter one character a zillion times trying to test it...

TalkingRat

05-14-08, 09:40 AM

WethePeople, yes, I get the "1 character" message when I paste in text as the reply. Using quick reply, don't know about the full reply. I think I get it whether I've added text outside the quoted/pasted material or not. But adding a word or short comment once I get the message, then it has always worked for me.

Malouff

05-14-08, 09:45 AM

There may be a script that counts characters as you type.
You could have tried pressing space at the end and seeing if it works then.

lexus2108

05-14-08, 10:20 AM

WeThePeople,

No offense, but by the time you get that box in USA. All or most of us would have spent our $40 Coupons. I plan to have all my boxes done in the next 4 weeks.

I do not plan to by a new one unless a box breaks and I need one.

You need to speak to a customs Clearer. In the USA about Duty laws. I never heard of Zero duty. But since i am no expert in that field. You need to call a Customs Broker.

Of course you also need a freight shipper. Since you are new I suggest you take the shippers advice and use who he uses at first or Use UPS or Fedex who now has freight forwarding.
Of course UPS? fedex do not do boat.

I wish you luck.

WeThePeople

05-14-08, 08:05 PM

I think my mission has been misunderstood.

I will still buy a couple of Cripple-Ware boxes the week before my coupons expire. Whatever two are the least uselss/flawed at that time.

But what I want is a box with ALL the features. Admit it, you drooled to when you saw the feature list on MaxMedia too. But with all the dodgy behavior I decided to look for the actual manufacture of the box, NOT the reseller...

But I never had coupons in mind. I cannot get listed in time to redeem them. And had spoken to a retailer about reselling this box whom is already certified with NTIA to do so.

In my opinion I found the box. But I tire of all the red tape to get one.
I, and many here I believe, would gladly pay full price for a full featured box like this.

It is my opinion that the NTIA and Congress have perpetuated the worst scam of all. Puts the MaxMedia issue to shame what they have done to every nursing home, community village, rural route family with only a PO box as address for deliveries. Shameful!

Note: 5 hours and just over three dozen attempts to post this

I won't be posting here no more, this sucks now :(

It shows these to the left of the edit botton in the posts list for my posts"
First a blue square
white dot in the middle

When I hover over the blue square the tooltip shows the media player 6.4 icon

Click it and it changes to this pic
(right click properties now become)
http://images.avsforum.com/avs-images/black/misc/progress.gif
You may have stopped in to note I posted a numeral ''1''
that was the last I could edit anything for 5 hours!

If your reading this I succeeded posting my last post here...

wh5916

05-14-08, 08:40 PM

Very odd development....convertmy.tv.com is still there, if visiting a page that had previously been bookmarked (http://www.convertmy.tv/productInformation.html). They appear to still be selling the Sansonic converter on that page, and the mysterious MaxMedia converter is still showing backordered with June delivery.

However, when trying to go to their home page a few moments ago, instead of seeing the "Coming Soon" announcement that has displayed for several weeks, the following was displayed with both the IE 7 and Opera browsers:

"503 Service Unavailable
The address you requested is currently unavailable due to billing issues. Please try again later.

For support, please contact Customer Service."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmmm...just to see what would happen, I tried clicking on the "Great, I want it now" link that's on their product information page. That link worked earlier today, but no longer. The following was displayed instead:

"Not Found

The requested URL /buy was not found on this server.
Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server at www.convertmy.tv Port 80"

johnied

05-14-08, 09:08 PM

TalkingRat

05-14-08, 10:57 PM

The competition for the MaxMedia vaporware is coming. Someone posted the Apex DT250, it has SVid, Pass through, and Smart Antenna. CECB approved, not on market yet, but ezdigital mentions it. Nothing on Wiki about what parts are being used.

http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/Apex_DT250.html

seatacboy

05-14-08, 11:36 PM

Whoa! They must have left town without even paying their bill :O

503 Service Unavailable
The address you requested is currently unavailable due to billing issues. Please try again later.

or maybe they paid it with a rubber check. :P

http://www.convertmy.tv/ Incredible! I wonder if they weren't able to sell off their warehouse full of 8-track tapes to pay for their web domain fees!

dagger666

05-15-08, 08:31 AM

wh5916

05-15-08, 08:52 AM

These links are still working
http://www.convertmy.tv/buy/
http://www.convertmy.tv/index_espanol.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/productInformation.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/informacion.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/dtv.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/step1.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/paso1.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/contact.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/contacto.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/refer-friend.php
http://www.convertmy.tv/outreach.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/finish.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/dtv_espanol.html
http://www.convertmy.tv/step1next.html

http://www.convertmy.tv/flashDEMO.swf
http://www.convertmy.tv/convertmytv.swf
http://www.convertmy.tv/flashspanish.swf

http://www.convertmy.tv/dtv_converter_box_hookup.pdf
http://www.convertmy.tv/Maxmedia%20Warranty.pdf
http://www.convertmy.tv/MaxMedia_new.pdf

The top link for "buy" isn't working over here, and hasn't worked since last night...with both IE 7 and the latest version of the Opera browser.

The homepage is a bit different this morning. Last night, a message about not being available due to billing issues was displayed. This morning, it's a standard "address you requested is currently unavailable" message.

Beginning of the end, perhaps? Or was there ever truly a beginning?

johnpost

05-15-08, 10:56 AM

Remember to do a refresh to see if a page is current. You could still have an old view in cache that your browser may bring up, depending on browser and settings the old view could persist on your machine for a long time. Just about everyone gets tripped up by that at some time.

dagger666

05-15-08, 12:58 PM

top link works fine here, matter of fact you can order a maxmedia box the continue button is working now. funny part is your ordering the MaxMedia MMDTVB03, humm.

dagger666

05-15-08, 01:04 PM

Product Name
Total Requires Coupon Voucher → MaxMedia ATSC Converter Box (MMDTVB03). Free Shipping to the Continental US. Unit Price $19.99 Total $39.98

Edit Your Billing Information Here
Total: $39.98
Total may not include tax or shipping
Copyright 2000-2008. Powered by LinkPointCart | Privacy Policy.

Participating Retailer in the TV Converter Box Coupon Program
© 2008 Convert My TV. All rights reserved.

https://www.linkpointcart.net/cgi-bin/cart.cgi

lexus2108

05-15-08, 01:07 PM

In my opinion I found the box. But I tire of all the red tape to get one.
I, and many here I believe, would gladly pay full price for a full featured box like this.

Well maybe some will. Not me I am happy with the new RCA800b1 with Smart antenna and passthru. I do not need S-video
Coming in June 15th

Now If one of my boxes break then I might be interested in a new box. Of course not for $60 or $50 but for $40 with no coupon.

I am afraid that the manufacture you found was part of the problem as to why MM has no box. A small part I bet, but I do not trust the box coming out of this factory.

Of course Taiwan is more stable then China. quality for my product is much better in China. Not sure of converter boxes.

Word of advice. I would not pay in advance to a factory I never seen. They on the other hand won't trust you with credit. So do a letter of Credit. This will ensure delivery time and safe guard you. More then Prepay.

I do wish you luck and you can PM me importing questions anytime.

BTW Try a different browser to post here and/or clear your cashe

lexus2108

05-15-08, 01:09 PM

dagger666

05-15-08, 03:45 PM

they were just a hour ago, i guess they are still trolling this thread

wh5916

05-15-08, 05:10 PM

I e-mailed them and got a response within hours. June is still delivery date and they still offer the sasonic.

The site is as dead as dead can be currently. None of the links are working as of 5:10 pm eastern.

5:16 pm...some glimmer of hope, as the home page is back up, the same as it was before...with the "coming soon" notation.

dagger666

05-15-08, 05:13 PM

now i think the goverment pulled the plug for good, bye bye coupon and $20. lexus2108 how is your class action law suit coming, might be joining you on this.

lexus2108

05-15-08, 06:04 PM

The site is as dead as dead can be currently. None of the links are working as of 5:10 pm eastern.

5:16 pm...some glimmer of hope, as the home page is back up, the same as it was before...with the "coming soon" notation.

This is what I received. Does this make you guys feel any better? They/He still is answering e-mails
Yes you do ... thank you for your reply. We have been told by Maxmedia - JUNE. That is all we can confirm. We have the Sansonic FT300As in stock. ($5 would be refunded on your Credit Card if you accepted the Sansonic at any point you wish.)

Otherwise, we promise to deliver Maxmedia's CECB (when it gets certified) THE MOMENT it is ready.

Thanks,
CMTV

AND

Dear Sir,

If you have an order on file with us, your order will be filled with Maxmedia's MMDTVB02 which they have told us will ship in June. We do have the Sansonic FT300As in stock and available for immediate shipment. Thank you for your patience.

CMTV
877 DTV SITE
www.convertmy.tv

gerhard911

05-15-08, 06:04 PM

With the convertmy.tv web page going 503 I sent customer service an email this morning. I asked several questions about the status of the MMDTVB02 and their standing with the NTIA coupon program.

Basically I said if they could not provide acceptable answers I expected a credit to the card I used to order the MMDTVB03 for $59.99. I received a prompt reply without any specific answers to my questions but the following:

"Your credit card charge has been cancelled at your request. Your coupon credit is still on file and valid at CMTV. We are waiting to hear back from the NTIA on how to handle coupon reimbursements and will advise when directed. Additionally, we will update all our customers when the MMDTVB02 is available to ship. You can re-order at that time.

Thank you for your understanding.
CMTV"

Hopefully they can eventually provide what they jumped the gun on selling or get an answer from the NTIA on coupon reimbuesement or replacement. The risk of cancelling the order as they did to me is the possibility of a higher price when the MM box becomes available.

In any event, it appears that they have not closed shop and left town (yet).

wh5916

05-15-08, 06:08 PM

This is what I received. Does this make you guys feel any better? They/He still is answering e-mails
Yes you do ... thank you for your reply. We have been told by Maxmedia - JUNE. That is all we can confirm. We have the Sansonic FT300As in stock. ($5 would be refunded on your Credit Card if you accepted the Sansonic at any point you wish.)

Otherwise, we promise to deliver Maxmedia's CECB (when it gets certified) THE MOMENT it is ready.

Thanks,
CMTV

Who said anything about the need of feeling better? I, like several others, simply found it very odd that the entire site appeared to be going belly up...and the message displayed last night about the home page not being available because of billing issues was most CERTAINLY enough to warrant raising an eyebrow.

I was quick to note though, if you'll check my previous response again, that their home page was ***finally*** back up as of an hour ago or so...at least that's something.

lexus2108

05-15-08, 06:24 PM

Who said anything about the need of feeling better? I, like several others, simply found it very odd that the entire site appeared to be going belly up...and the message displayed last night about the home page not being available because of billing issues was most CERTAINLY enough to warrant raising an eyebrow.

I was quick to note though, if you'll check my previous response again, that their home page was ***finally*** back up as of an hour ago or so...at least that's something.
Agreed, I just thought you and others would feel more at ease since Memsen answers his e-mails/

dagger666

05-18-08, 07:48 AM

write maxmedia and ask if their box will make use of this http://www.tvguideonscreen.com/

dagger666

05-19-08, 12:11 PM

We have the specifications for the Apex DT250 with Analog Pass-Through, S-Video and Smart Antenna. It is not available for purchase yet.
Four converter boxes were removed from the NTIA CECB list. The MaxMedia MMDTVB03, EchoStar TR-40, (which has been replaced by the DTVPal) and the DigitalStream D2A1D10 and D2A1D20.
The DISH Network DTVPal is the redesigned EchoStar TR-40 and is now on the NTIA's CECB list. It will be available mid-June.
These are the recently added NTIA approved CECBs
bringing the total to 80!
Skardin DTR-0727L*
Apex DT500
Clear Tech CTDCB100
CASTI CAX-02*
Alpha Digital AT2016
DISH Network DTVPal*
Check the middle of the Coupon Program page to see when your coupons will arrive in the mail based on your application date.

Kelson

05-19-08, 12:23 PM

These are the recently added NTIA approved CECBs bringing the total to 80! I wonder how many of these boxes will actually ever make it to the market. This is a list of 80 me-too products to serve a market that will never be bigger than it is today and will continually decrease until it disappears. The early birds will certainly get most of the worms.

Malouff

05-19-08, 12:38 PM

This list is actually shorter than it looks because most are clones.

johnied

05-19-08, 02:17 PM

Some models will never be seen for sure, as the companies such as digital stream, did new boxes and i presume asked to have the earlier models taken off the list as they will
never be so ld. :P

Oh and the "me too" Zoran makes a reference set top box.. go to their site and take a look... The Tivax box and i assume others used it as a basis to get started.

http://www.zoran.com/SupraHD-741

Malouff

05-21-08, 02:10 AM

wh5916

05-21-08, 06:41 AM

I was looking at the Denver, CO OTA thread because my brother lives there and also enjoyed this.
I am posting in the MaxMedia because it seemed like the most appropriate thread.

This is one reason why I truly haven't wanted to spring for a high definition television. :) 20 years ago I would have been begging for one, had they been available, but television plays less and less a part of my life any longer. The digital converter is fine for now.

dagger666

05-30-08, 03:41 PM

this is the greatest digital decoder box that never existed

johnied

05-30-08, 04:05 PM

Thanks . I was waiting for the MaxMedia thread to spring back to life. :P

wh5916

05-30-08, 05:23 PM

Their support forum at maxmedia-usa.com is still a ghost town, and there's no image of the new version of the MaxMedia that they've been promising for weeks. Here's the last forum posting at their site, dated 5/20. There is, of course, no response:

<<<<government coupon program 1 Week, 2 Days ago Karma: 0
I ordered two of the Maxmedia converter boxes with my coupons.
It seems there are many issues with the box. I was told the NTIA can't refund the coupon money once the coupon is used. What is the answer to resolve the credit of the coupon. I used the website convert my tv.com to order to boxes and the delivery date has been changed to june 7. I would like to know if I wish to cancel the boxes how does my government get to issue me new coupons and where did the coupon mony get put. At this time I am in the dark just as other who ordered the same box ant the forum comments don't look good. Can I get some kind of a answer to what the plan is to deliver the boxes.
Thank you,
Frank P>>>>>>

dagger666

06-03-08, 03:03 PM

IT'S JUNE, IT'S JUNE OK maxmedia bring on your box you have less than 30 days

seatacboy

06-03-08, 03:17 PM

IT'S JUNE, IT'S JUNE OK maxmedia bring on your box you have less than 30 days Will Convert My TV & MaxMedia deliver the goods within this time frame?

A significant second question is: assuming the MaxMedia boxes actually ship before June 30, will the units function as promised? Will adequate quality control have been undertaken? Will the units work properly?

Malouff

06-03-08, 03:59 PM

Convert My TV & MaxMedia are not the only ones holding up any sign of a converter box in June.

Don't forget it has to be approved by the NTIA and be put on the list of approved converter boxes.

TalkingRat

06-03-08, 04:19 PM

Subject: Your order with ConvertMy.TV

Date: June 2, 2008

To our customers who ordered a MaxMedia Converter Box:

ConvertMy.TV was notified by MaxMedia that a chipset quality issue was detected impacting channel reception of the MMDTVB03 Converter Box you ordered. Due to these problems, MaxMedia indicated their plans to redesign the Converter Box using a different, higher quality chipset from another source. We were told that this new box would be available for shipment in mid-June. MaxMedia is currently informing us that the new box will not be available until a future undetermined date. We at ConvertMy.TV can no longer represent MaxMedia product given these circumstances and repeated delays. The impact of these repeated MaxMedia supply delays on ConvertMy.TV has been devastating. The National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), Department of Commerce has decertified ConvertMy.TV for redeeming coupons for MaxMedia orders that remain unfulfilled and for which ConvertMy.TV cannot provide a timely ship date. We at ConvertMy.TV have been working diligently with the NTIA to treat our customers correctly and resolve these unexpected issues. We have cancelled your unfulfilled order with ConvertMy.TV and returned the value of your coupons to the NTIA for deposit in the U.S. Treasury as is required by Coupon Program regulations. NTIA will be contacting you soon regarding the coupons you have already redeemed.

Once again, we are very disappointed and want to sincerely apologize to you about this situation … it caught us, like you, by surprise. My partners had big plans for ConvertMy.TV, including an agreement to source converter boxes and share revenues with one of the largest Christian churches in the United States. Without the ability to process coupons, we may be forced to close our doors and dreams.

We want to personally thank you very much for your business and patience. We have spoken to many of you over the phone and you all have been very kind and supportive and wanted to let you know that we appreciate your understanding.

Convert My TV Team

boldface mine.

Malouff

06-03-08, 04:52 PM

Thanks for the news TalkingRat.

I wonder if Convert My TV or MaxMedia-USA sent a eMail to their customers.
I do see that what you posted is also on the ConvertMy.TV site.

Strange how the NTIA has never released a Press Release for Convert My TV or MaxMedia-USA you would think this would have been news.

TalkingRat

06-03-08, 05:10 PM

Sorry for omitting the source -- yes I got it from convertmy.tv

The only reason I clicked on their link was because of this odd addition at MaxMedia:

Maxmedia is strictly a NTIA approved manufacturer and supplier of converter boxes. We are not a retailer or e-tailer.

lexus2108

06-03-08, 05:15 PM

WOW I just knew this would happen. Looks like Maxmedia lost his supplier or did not have the money to prepay for shipment. Seems they scrambling to find a supplier . Just my opinion

Malouff

06-03-08, 05:50 PM

I think MaxMedia is dreaming if they think they are NTIA approved and also a manufacturer.

Looks like they are trying to cut any ties and confuse people by saying that MaxMedia and ConvertMy.TV are not related.

MaxMedia is probably hoping that they will again be approved by the NTIA and be allowed to continue operations.

ConvertMy.TV is probably hoping that they will also be approved by the NITA and continue selling Sansonic converter boxes to raise capital.

seatacboy

06-03-08, 06:45 PM

from Convert My TV
"MaxMedia is currently informing us that the new box will not be available until a future undetermined date.......The National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), Department of Commerce has decertified ConvertMy.TV for redeeming coupons for MaxMedia orders that remain unfulfilled and for which ConvertMy.TV cannot provide a timely ship date. We at ConvertMy.TV have been working diligently with the NTIA to treat our customers correctly and resolve these unexpected issues. We have cancelled your unfulfilled order with ConvertMy.TV and returned the value of your coupons to the NTIA for deposit in the U.S. Treasury as is required by Coupon Program regulations. NTIA will be contacting you soon regarding the coupons you have already redeemed." I wonder how quickly NTIA will reissue the $40 coupons for the victims of ConvertMy.TV's premature redemption?

Fast forward to June, 2009 - long after the $40 coupon program has ended - I expect the MaxMedia MMDTVB02 converter boxes will be readily available at low-end discount stores for about $30. It may even have "the bugs worked out" and be a fine choice for DTV.

I would never buy one direct from MaxMedia or from ConvertMy.TV

TalkingRat

06-03-08, 07:22 PM

Someone on another thread had expired coupons, looked them up, and it said expired, and then it provided a link to reapply!! So if you're affected, go for it! Correction, it apparently said if you ordered one, you can order another. Sigh. Thanks, Malouff for tracking this down!

lbjohn

06-03-08, 07:55 PM

I was the #13 order.
Has any of you seen the refund in your credit cards yet?
Please come back here to post if you are able to get the coupons also

kustom

06-03-08, 08:16 PM

from maxmedia,

The impact of these repeated MaxMedia supply delays on ConvertMy.TV has been
devastating. The National Telecommunications and Information Administration
(NTIA), Department of Commerce has decertified ConvertMy.TV for redeeming
coupons for MaxMedia orders that remain unfulfilled and for which
ConvertMy.TV cannot provide a timely ship date. We at ConvertMy.TV have
been working diligently with the NTIA to treat our customers correctly and
resolve these unexpected issues. We have cancelled your unfulfilled order
with ConvertMy.TV and returned the value of your coupons to the NTIA for
deposit in the U.S. Treasury as is required by Coupon Program regulations.
NTIA will be contacting you soon regarding the coupons you have already
redeemed.

k

massavfan

06-03-08, 08:34 PM

WeThePeople

06-03-08, 08:41 PM

https://www.dtv2009.gov/FAQ.aspx

Expand "Using a coupon"

Look at #17

WebPage Quote:

"If a coupon expires before it is used, can a consumer re-apply?"

"If a consumer requests only one coupon and it expires before it is used, then they can apply for a second coupon. Once two coupons have been issued to that household, the consumer will no longer be eligible to request any more coupons. Coupons expire 90 days after they are mailed."

So I must now ask TalkingRat if he noticed if the person said they only applied for one coupon or two?

If one, nothings changed...if two, they have changed something.

TalkingRat

06-03-08, 09:10 PM

I just think the FAQs will lag the update as to what the program does, as it did with FAQs accepting coupons when nothing is in stock. But no, the person didn't say they only applied for one. I do believe (s)he used the term reapply, and said there was an auto link from the status that said they expired. Will look tomorrow, have event to go to right now.

Edit: no such luck, correct above post 127, just the one coupon thing as WethePeople suspected.

macbobd

06-03-08, 11:17 PM

I was the #13 order.
Has any of you seen the refund in your credit cards yet?
Please come back here to post if you are able to get the coupons also

Are you sure they charged your credit card? I just went through my transactions and nothing from them nor for that amount showed up.

You know, in an odd way, this might be a blessing in disguise. If our card is reissued, we may have another month or two to look for more boxes that still won't be available! :D

Seriously, my card expired 5/29. So I'm hoping for a good long extension.

(BTW, I was order 158)

lexus2108

06-04-08, 12:21 AM

Are you sure they charged your credit card? I just went through my transactions and nothing from them nor for that amount showed up.

You know, in an odd way, this might be a blessing in disguise. If our card is reissued, we may have another month or two to look for more boxes that still won't be available! :D

Seriously, my card expired 5/29. So I'm hoping for a good long extension.

(BTW, I was order 158)

you should call you CC company and ask if there is a charge on any month that is from Memsen for $20

we were all charged.

lexus2108

06-04-08, 12:30 AM

What does "vaporware" mean?

thanks

WeThePeople

06-04-08, 12:33 AM

Reference Phrases:
SoftWare
FirmWare
HardWare

something solid is hardware
something fictional is vaporware (Exists only in the minds of people)

IE: Thought-up, designed as a practical model, never made it to reality as a fully functional test unit...
(And in the case of MaxMedia...actually sold and charged for :rolleyes: )

Hope that helps Lexus2108

lexus2108

06-04-08, 12:45 AM

Thanks I honestly didn't know what it meant. I guess in this case it fits

TalkingRat

06-04-08, 01:20 AM

Wiki even has the term vaporware. I remember it from product demos at early computer trade shows -- they either demo'd the product under very controlled circumstances or had a recorded simulation of what it would do, once they got the bugs out. It looked like it worked, but the software was created from thin air, vaporware.

Still can't find that reference to the expired coupon(s) -- I'll keep looking tomorrow as I read new posts.

lbjohn

06-04-08, 03:35 AM

I sent an email to convertmy.tv at 9:36 PM asking for refund. At 10:13 PM I got this reply.

A credit for the amount of $19.99 has been applied to your credit card.
Please feel free to contact MEMSEN about any questions you might have about
this transaction or order .

dagger666

06-04-08, 01:48 PM

they charged mine, oh well just checked my email and they credited my account.

lexus2108

06-04-08, 09:47 PM

I have to say Memsen ALwAYS answered e-mails and gave Credit on the CC. I do not know why he cashed in the coupons. I guess I never will know why. It was clear on NTIA website.

What maxmedia has done is inexcusable

NicS

06-05-08, 08:00 AM

I also recieved an E-mail from Memsen this morning. They credited my card and thanked me for my patience and understanding. I'm okay with that, I have the Zenith model and it works just fine. Now for some new research for the next great box.

kustom

06-05-08, 05:18 PM

Just received from dtv...
Thank you for informing us of this issue. We have logged the issue you experienced and reported it to the Coupon Program Retailer Support Center. Currently, there is no resolution regarding this issue. We will inform consumers in your situation if this changes in the future.

By law we are unable to reissue coupon replacements.

Sincerely,

RENEE SCHMUTZER

Consumer Support

TV Converter Box Coupon Program

seatacboy

06-05-08, 09:18 PM

Just received from dtv...
"Thank you for informing us of this issue. We have logged the issue you experienced and reported it to the Coupon Program Retailer Support Center. Currently, there is no resolution regarding this issue. We will inform consumers in your situation if this changes in the future.

By law we are unable to reissue coupon replacements."
ConvertMy.TV clients should contact their Members of Congress about this legislative problem. They should also contact their local TV news media about running this story as a caution to the public. If you are really motivated, perhaps also contact the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, etc. The public deserves to know that if a merchant violates the NTIA coupon redemption rules and is unable to provide the product, the law punishes the customer as well as the offending merchant. The law apparently has zero provisions to restore the $40 coupon value to the customer.

massavfan

06-06-08, 08:05 AM

ConvertMy.TV clients should contact their Members of Congress about this legislative problem. They should also contact their local TV news media about running this story as a caution to the public. If you are really motivated, perhaps also contact the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, etc. The public deserves to know that if a merchant violates the NTIA coupon redemption rules and is unable to provide the product, the law punishes the customer as well as the offending merchant. The law apparently has zero provisions to restore the $40 coupon value to the customer.

Good idea.

I sent a complaint to NTIA and received this generic reply:

Thank you for your e-mail regarding the TV Converter Box Coupon Program. We are now accepting applications and will continue until March 31, 2009, while supplies last. Consumers may apply for up to two $40 coupons per household: online at www.DTV2009.gov, by calling 1-888-DTV-2009 (1-888-388-2009); or by mailing an application to P.O. Box 2000, Portland, OR 97208-2000. Coupons will be sent to households via U.S. mail.

Please visit www.DTV2009.gov for answers to frequently asked questions.

Sincerely,

Television Converter Box Coupon Program Team

Only in America...

pkeegan

06-07-08, 09:28 AM

My credit card was refunded $19.99 from the now defunct order I placed months ago.

seatacboy

06-07-08, 09:41 AM

Good idea.

I sent a complaint to NTIA and received this generic reply......... NTIA by itself isn't able to change Acts of Congress. However, if a few U.S. Senators and Representatives are contacted about the problem of premature coupon redemption by ConvertMy.tv, they might be able to write to NTIA on behalf of you and the others affected. U.S. Representatives and Senators have the "inside the Beltway" dealmaking clout that might allow NTIA to establish an "emergency rule" providing reimbursement of the $40 coupon value to clients who were deprived of their coupon's value due to vendor misconduct by an NTIA-licensed vendor.

In short: don't waste your typing keystrokes complaining to the very weak NTIA. Write to your U.S. Senators and your U.S. Representative.

retiredTech

06-11-08, 09:58 AM

I didn't get a email about the cancelation or about a refund.
I had to email & ask support@convertmy.tv for my refund.(include your order number)
They did however respond quickly to my email request and issued my cc refund.

johnied

06-11-08, 11:11 AM

NTIA by itself isn't able to change Acts of Congress. However, if a few U.S. Senators and Representatives are contacted about the problem of premature coupon redemption by ConvertMy.tv, they might be able to write to NTIA on behalf of you and the others affected. U.S. Representatives and Senators have the "inside the Beltway" dealmaking clout that might allow NTIA to establish an "emergency rule" providing reimbursement of the $40 coupon value to clients who were deprived of their coupon's value due to vendor misconduct by an NTIA-licensed vendor.

In short: don't waste your typing keystrokes complaining to the very weak NTIA. Write to your U.S. Senators and your U.S. Representative.

These folks oversee the NTIA and are the most likely to get them to
change their approach to allowing people to reapply for expired
coupons.

Committee on Energy and Commerce
2125 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515

(202) 225-2927

They have a webpage for contacting them as well.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/membios/contact_form.shtml

lbjohn

06-11-08, 07:55 PM

I sent an appeal to asking for reapplication of the coupon, with full explanation of what happened at convertmy.tv. The following is the reply. Bottom line, it will probably take awhile for the NTIA to change the rules. And in the meantime, they will deny the reapplication if you said you were scammed by a vendor. Until then, you should find a friend in another address with no need for a box, and you apply the coupon to their address on their behalf.

*******************************

June 11, 2008

Dear Consumer:

This email is in response to your appeal of the denial of your coupon application. We have reviewed the information you provided in your appeal and all applications submitted for your household. Your duplicate application is still denied, because your household has already been approved for two coupons.

Another resident in your household or a relative may have already applied for coupons for your household. Or, you may have experienced a technical difficulty with our system and were unsure if your original application was successfully submitted. You may also have already been approved, but have not yet received your coupons, and were concerned about when they would be delivered.

Program rules prevent us from mailing coupons for multiple households to a single address. While we understand that many conditions may require that you apply at your address for someone else’s household, we can only mail two coupons to the address you have provided. Even if you have more than two TVs, we cannot approve more than two coupons for your address.

The household address provided on your application will be receiving two coupons.

We began mailing Coupons in late February. Coupons are being sent based on the date of application, in the order in which the application was received. They are being mailed on a staggered basis, not all at once. Additional information regarding the mailing of coupons can be found on our website at https://www.dtv2009.gov/CheckStatus.aspx.

Program information is available on the website at www.DTV2009.gov.

Sincerely,

Consumer Support Center
TV Converter Box Coupon Program

TalkingRat

06-11-08, 08:04 PM

ie, form letter that has no bearing on your unique situation. I suppose if you move into an apartment, you cannot get a coupon for your legal residence?

Malouff

06-11-08, 09:57 PM

lbjohn how were you able to get a NTIA response?

How did you contact them?

lbjohn

06-13-08, 02:56 AM

From the coupon application page, dtv2009.gov, if you reapply with same address, it will deny your application, but it will say you can appeal. I appealed with full explanation of what happened at convertmy.tv. That was the reply.

lexus2108

06-13-08, 11:52 AM

So not only did the NTIA punish memsen and Maxmedia. They punished the customer to. How were we supposed to know they had no product to sell?

TalkingRat

06-13-08, 12:04 PM

Less confusion now, the CECB approved list has been revised to separate wheat from chaff. I haven't heard of half the ones one their "available" list, but at least the vaporware has its own section.

Postmoderndesign

06-13-08, 02:39 PM

MEMSEN refunded their credit card charge to my account without my requesting a refund. So, I take that to mean the Maxmedia is officially dead.

While waiting for the outcome, with my other coupon I bought the Zenith CECB for my one analog TV.

I suppose I have lost the other $40 coupon card which expired while all this was going on. I never had much faith in the coupon program from the govenment which brought us the New Orleans disaster.

massavfan

06-13-08, 03:13 PM

Take a look at this...

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSN1038392820080611?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews&sp=true

lbjohn

06-16-08, 05:36 PM

Fresh from NTIA:

Dear Convert My TV customer:

You recently used a coupon from NTIA's TV Converter Box Coupon Program to order a MaxMedia MMDTVB03 converter from convertmytv.com. When the manufacturer decided not to manufacture this product, the retailer offered to substitute a Sansonic converter. The records we received from the retailer indicate that you did not accept the substitute and that your order has now been canceled. If this is incorrect, please let us know.

The retailer has been decertified from the Coupon Program. NTIA has determined that in these special circumstances, the Program will replace your coupon (or coupons is you ordered two Max Media 03 converters) so that you may use them towards the purchase of a converter at a retailer of your choice that is participating in the Program. The Program is working on the logistics to be able to replace your coupons.

I hope this will be a satisfactory result for you.

Thank you for your interest in the program.

Sincerely,

Anita L. Wallgren
Program Director
TV Converter Box Coupon Program
U.S. Department of Commerce
Washington, D.C. 20230

lexus2108

06-16-08, 05:41 PM

lbjohn

06-16-08, 06:35 PM

Well, maybe those of us who sent email to Rep. John Shimkus (Chairman overseeing Telecom) and other congress members has en effect?

More correspondence with the NTIA:

John,

Working with our attorneys, we are only able to replace coupons in these very special circumstances, outside of the coupon processing center. The people working at the coupon center still not able to issue more than 2 per household. These are being handled as replacements of the two that you had that were, through no fault of yours, cancelled by a retailer against program rules.

Anita

>>> John W <> 6/16/2008 5:40:52 PM >>>
Thanks Ms Wallgren,

Please provide your staff who oversees the "coupon appeal" process with this situation. Many convertmy.tv customer tried for the "coupon appeal" process at www.dtv2009.gov, with full explanation of the issue with convertmy.tv. But they were denied the appeal because the staff was instructed to provide 2 coupons per household, regardless of the reason.

John W

ttinLV

06-16-08, 10:03 PM

+1 for receiving CC credit (confirmed on my statement) and today 6/16 NTIA letter for working on replacement $40 coupon.

Malouff

06-17-08, 02:02 AM

You would think that this news of the NTIA replacing coupons would deserve a NTIA Alert.

This sounds more important then the MicroProse Alert the NTIA did.
I never will understand NTIA's logic on this whole coupon program.

dagger666

06-17-08, 09:08 AM

so what does this all mean, they will replace coupons to all mensen customers or you need to write them to get coupon replaced

afecu

06-17-08, 01:28 PM

so what does this all mean, they will replace coupons to all mensen customers or you need to write them to get coupon replaced

I got the same email from the NTIA yesterday without having written to them.

I had checked with convertmytv and verified that they never charged my credit card (they only obtained the authorization), but I didn't ask them about the coupon.

Postmoderndesign

06-17-08, 02:06 PM

I guess that the agency lawyer advised Ms. Wallgren that the law does not provide for her to send coupons to citizens who already received coupons. Lawyers do risk management and they see an Indian behind every rock.

Government managers rise by following orders and not by showing initiative. However, the better managers learn when to use common sense and how to side step the law. I think Ms. Wallgren would have no problem defending a decision to send new coupons to memsen customers. However, we will have to wait to see if the decision finally resides with someone with common sense.

lexus2108

06-17-08, 02:12 PM

so what does this all mean, they will replace coupons to all mensen customers or you need to write them to get coupon replaced

Yes all memsen customers will get the coupon renewed. they are working on logistics and so I guess they will get back to us.

Thus they punished the offender (memsen) and not the customers. As it should be.

Since it is obvious memsen cooperated with NTIA maybe he will get a second chance?

dagger666

06-18-08, 07:53 AM

i never got an email just that my credit card was being credited

Postmoderndesign

06-18-08, 11:55 AM

i never got an email just that my credit card was being credited

This is the address memsen sent to me when they told me they were crediting my card: info@memsen.com

Don't delay. When I replied to their message as they offered as one possibility, (not the address above) I got:

The following addresses had delivery problems:

<gateway@linkpt.net>
Permanent Failure: 550_Cannot_relay._Mailbox_not_available_gateway@linkpt.net
Delivery last attempted at Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:53:20 -0000

The credit appeared on my card yesterday.

lexus2108

06-18-08, 12:14 PM

This is the address memsen sent to me when they told me they were crediting my card: info@memsen.com

Don't delay. When I replied to their message as they offered as one possibility, (not the address above) I got:

The following addresses had delivery problems:

<gateway@linkpt.net>
Permanent Failure: 550_Cannot_relay._Mailbox_not_available_gateway@linkpt.net
Delivery last attempted at Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:53:20 -0000

The credit appeared on my card yesterday.

Maybe he gave CC credit and handed off coupon problem to NTIA and left town?

I don't think you need a e-mail from him. But the last e-mail I had for him was support@convertmy.tv

you can try that. But if the info one is gone. I bet so is this

dagger666

06-18-08, 04:28 PM

i got the credit on my card but no email from ntia so i just emailed them about this sending us the coupons again.

retiredTech

06-18-08, 09:21 PM

check your spam filter for the email from Anita Wallgren (NTIA), That's where mine was.

dagger666

06-19-08, 10:23 AM

Thank you for informing us of this issue. We have logged the issue you experienced and reported it to the Coupon Program Retailer Support Center. Currently, there is no resolution regarding this issue. We will inform consumers in your situation if this changes in the future.

By law we are unable to reissue coupon replacements.

Sincerely,

RENEE SCHMUTZER

Consumer Support

TV Converter Box Coupon Program

massavfan

06-20-08, 09:38 PM

lexus2108

06-21-08, 01:46 AM

"he Program is working on the logistics to be able to replace your coupons."

How long will this take? Been a whole week

Malouff

06-21-08, 02:04 AM

"The Program is working on the logistics to be able to replace your coupons."

How long will this take? Been a whole weekIt has been even longer for them to add the MicroProse MPI-500PT* to the list.

Both are at the bottom of there "to do list"

Like I have said don't get your hopes up.
This will not be a speedy process if anything ever does happen.

Your best bet is to get a coupon from someone else.
That or once they do approve P.O. Boxes get one (if they cost less then $40) and reapply under another family members name.

lexus2108 I have also had reports that others have also had problems with other boxes and retailers not just the DTVPal and MaxMedia.

The Apex 250 and Global to name one.
They too cached coupons without a product and told customers they will get a notice from the NTIA.

NicS

06-27-08, 08:49 AM

It sounds like this fantasy box has been resurrected as the Apex 250 listed elsewhere on this forum.

Yes it has, I bought one wednesday and it's better than my zenith.
Check out the threads...

dagger666

06-27-08, 09:42 AM

the thread that will not die

lexus2108

06-27-08, 10:03 AM

Well people don't like vaporware jokes played on them

lexus2108

07-02-08, 02:45 AM

I got an update e-mail from the NITA. They are still working on a manual system to replace coupons used by memsen. They need some more weeks and then they will mail the coupon to you. So I guess one day you guys will go to the mail box and get a new coupon

Just an update for you guys

Malouff

07-02-08, 03:29 AM

You would think it could be automated as it was not isolated and never happened again.

Think how long it will take those who lost coupons with the DTVPal (Provantage customers) and Apex (Global) to get there coupons.
Will they will also need a manual system for these two.

These are just two retailers that I know about but there are probably others.

The Provantage would be scary to implement manually as there were a lot of coupons wasted on either the TR-40 or DTVPal orders.

I also wonder if the NTIA is also still working on a manual system to amend the MicroProse MPI-500PT* to the list.
(It has already been over a month and is very similar to the Zenith DTT901* so it should not be that difficult)

lexus2108

07-02-08, 12:55 PM

I agree it is taking toooooo long. I just wanted to let you guys know. What I was told. So No need for us to do anything. Just wait for the mail. I wish they would of told us this from step one

dagger666

07-02-08, 01:28 PM

dagger666

07-06-08, 11:39 AM

So are we getting the coupons back yes or no

OrangeTang

07-08-08, 07:20 PM

I cannot believe this...but it looks like Maxmedia has a new box possibly replacing the MMDTVB03 model they put together. It is called LUTRO.

http://www.maxmedia-usa.com

BaseShip

07-08-08, 07:35 PM

wonder what new features in the new model.

TalkingRat

07-08-08, 09:38 PM

I can't believe it either. It's coming soon, as soon as whoever loaded the software does it right. The circus is in town.

gerhard911

07-08-08, 09:39 PM

I cannot believe this...but it looks like Maxmedia has a new box possibly replacing the MMDTVB03 model they put together. It is called LUTRO.

http://www.maxmedia-usa.com

Dagger would call that a suspicious post. And since...

This Web Site Is Coming Soon.

If you are the owner of this web site you have not uploaded (or incorrectly uploaded) your web site. For information on uploading your web site using FTP client software or web design software, click here for FTP Upload Information.

I guess I would have to agree :rolleyes:

So which will be available first - the web site or a LUTRO converter box ? ;)

TalkingRat

07-08-08, 09:53 PM

Dagger would call that a suspicious post.

:D

lexus2108

07-08-08, 10:01 PM

I cannot believe this...but it looks like Maxmedia has a new box possibly replacing the MMDTVB03 model they put together. It is called LUTRO.

http://www.maxmedia-usa.com

Hey Memsen LUTRO this &#%@%

No one will touch you now. Not one person got their coupons replaced and even if I did. I would not touch you or maxmedia

So LUTRO this #7$%3278

lexus2108

07-08-08, 10:05 PM

what do you mean manual system

not automatic:D

WeThePeople

07-09-08, 12:04 AM

I few times before this the default home page was removed with the rest of the site intact. You may remember me posting a snotful of links that were still active back when we had hope :rolleyes:

Just use Google with the "Site:" option to see all pages on a site.

Enter this:

Site:MaxMedia.com

Here's a link with "English", "Adult" content enabled, and 100 hits per page as example.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=site%3Amaxmedia-usa.com

I got 293 pages, I clicked the whole first page of 100 without success.

Note also that if you click the "Cached" link on that first hit you can see what the above poster saw because it is still cached by google until they update it next sweep.

lexus2108

07-09-08, 01:04 AM

dagger666

07-09-08, 06:58 AM

they are not going to replace any coupons, just another government smoke screen. the 2 coupons for our pa house never came, we said mail isn't delivered their and gave the NY address and still never came. Coupons have now expired so email them they never came and filed apeal and they said to bad you got your coupons, no we didn't!

lexus2108

07-09-08, 07:17 AM

dagger666

07-09-08, 07:23 AM

from NTIA;
oops, sorry it took so long but the coupon program has ended before we could resolve this issue, we are sorry

massavfan

07-09-08, 02:16 PM

The new Max Media "Lutro" is now on the NTIA "approved-but-not-yet-available" list. Analog signal pass-through appears to be a definite feature.

Any believers?...

seatacboy

07-09-08, 02:59 PM

The new Max Media "Lutro" is now on the NTIA "approved-but-not-yet-available" list. Analog signal pass-through appears to be a definite feature. Any believers?... Puzzled over the CECB's rebranding.....I presume nobody here is planning to buy a MaxMedia "Lutro" from an unknown online web site, eh?

gerhard911

07-09-08, 03:08 PM

Puzzled over the CECB's rebranding.....I presume nobody here is planning to buy a MaxMedia "Lutro" from an unknown online web site, eh?

I would not rule out the LUTRO should:
- it actually exist
- it have all of the features I'm looking for
- others try it first and report excellent performance
- I get the coupon burned by the convertmy.tv fiasco replaced by the NTIA

So, odds at say - 1,000,000 : 1 :D

TalkingRat

07-09-08, 03:55 PM

It's that unknown online web site that would make me nervous. It's not the $40 coupon, it's the credit card information that would give me pause. If I really couldn't help myself, the product was that good, I'd ask my friends how they get those one time credit card numbers from their bank.

dagger666

07-09-08, 09:00 PM

The goverment is full of cow pies, if they really were going to give you the coupon back all they have to do is sent out others or reactivae the oringal coupon. no big lawyer crap needed which is going to eat all the coupon money up anyway.

northbear

07-09-08, 10:27 PM

Has anyone else looked at MaxMedia's website recently?

http://www.maxmedia-usa.com/

Am I the only one who finds it just a bit too creepy?

WeThePeople

07-09-08, 10:39 PM

Yeah, thats kinda creepy!

Well, they sure read this forum! After I posted a way to see all links to the site bypassing the default home page, that creepy page is set as a redirect no matter what old link you try.

lexus2108

07-09-08, 10:52 PM

anyone trust Maxmedia or memsen? I mean seriously

TalkingRat

07-09-08, 11:41 PM

That's one blurry ad. And either it's "here" or it isn't. Silicon tuner might be better, if I had adjacent channel conflict, which I don't. Now, it might draw interest if by "better picture" they meant S-Vid. Curious who the retailer is, can't imagine who would sign up for this.

dagger666

07-10-08, 06:03 AM

how can it be here but you need to stay tunned

lexus2108

07-10-08, 11:56 AM

retiredTech

07-11-08, 11:11 PM

watch the medallion closely... you are getting sleepy...you are asleep... when "Max" snaps his fingers ... you will awake and desire the Lutro... you must have the Lutro... you will use multiple coupons and use your credit card again & again and be willing to wait... & wait... & wait... you WILL wait! :) ;)

dagger666

07-14-08, 08:48 AM

Sorry about what happened to you, but I got an e-mail update from NTiA telling me personaly they are working on it and will replace it

6 1/2 months left to the switch over, so where is our coupon already....

lexus2108

07-14-08, 03:04 PM

6 1/2 months left to the switch over, so where is our coupon already....

PM me for the e-mail I received.

BobDiaz

07-15-08, 12:56 AM

Has anyone else looked at MaxMedia's website recently?

http://www.maxmedia-usa.com/

Am I the only one who finds it just a bit too creepy?

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f103/KQ6WQ/Lutro_Vaporware.jpg

Bob

Malouff

07-15-08, 02:21 AM

Another creepy thing is that their support forum that was hosted on their site is missing.
I also bet that they deleted all posts about the MMDTVB02/MMDTVB03 or whatever it was going to be called.

rrrrrroger

07-15-08, 06:25 AM

Hey Memsen LUTRO this &#%@%. No one will touch you now. Not one person got their coupons replaced and even if I did. I would not touch you or maxmedia. I'd buy one, but only if I was allowed to use my credit card as protection. No coupons. That way if they failed to deliver, I could just reverse the charge.

I'm glad this thread was here.

It warned me not to spend my coupon on convertmytv.toascam, and instead I used the coupons at Circuit City.

dagger666

07-15-08, 06:33 AM

PM me for the e-mail I received.

i did few days ago, check your box.

dagger666

07-15-08, 09:24 PM

has anyone gotten their coupons yrt....... my guess NO! Why would they need lawyers, the money was returned, list of names of buyers the have, just send out replacement coupons but that is to easy.

lexus2108

07-15-08, 09:52 PM

i did few days ago, check your box.

Ya I read it. The whole PM pissed me off So I didn't respond to it yet. I wanted to wait till I was cool headed. Then I got busy. Sorry for no response. I will this week:D

DigaDo

07-16-08, 02:07 AM

Here is contact information for CECB manufacturers as provided by the NTIA:

https://www.ntiadtv.gov/cecb_manufacturers.cfm

dagger666

07-16-08, 10:45 AM

dagger666

07-16-08, 10:46 AM

Ya I read it. The whole PM pissed me off So I didn't respond to it yet. I wanted to wait till I was cool headed. Then I got busy. Sorry for no response. I will this week:D

well let me know what pissed you off

rrrrrroger

07-16-08, 11:17 AM

By law coupons expire 90 days from the date mailed. We are unable to reissue coupon replacements. Coupon expiration dates are printed on the coupon and can not be extended.
Sincerely,
RENEE SCHMUTZER - Consumer Support - TV Converter Box Coupon Program I'd forward a copy of this to ALL the Congresscritters in my state, plus the two senators, and with an explanation of how a certain company had DEFRAUDED the U.S. government by cashing the coupons, but never delivering the goods.

And that I should receive a replacement coupon, because this was not my fault.

Furthermore I would remind these people that they either help me, or they won't get my vote next fall, and that the story of how they REFUSED to help would be published in every newspaper's editorial page within the state, just prior to the election, when the negative feedback will have maximum consequences.

dagger666

07-16-08, 12:15 PM

this wasn't about reissuing coupons used by maxmeida but coupons that we never received in the mail. think, if they aren't going to reissue coupons lost in the mail, not my fault why would they do it for maxmedia. both ways the money stays in the bank so it's not like anyone is taking advantage of them.

Malouff

07-18-08, 08:52 PM

Looks like the Maxmedia Lutro* was removed from the NTIA list today 7/18/08

zqxthree

07-18-08, 08:59 PM

Looks like the Maxmedia Lutro* was removed from the NTIA list today 7/18/08

But MaxMedia MMDTVB03 is still on the NTIA-Approved & Not Currently Available (https://www.ntiadtv.gov/cecb_list.cfm) list.

seatacboy

07-18-08, 09:37 PM

MaxMedia MMDTVB03 discussion thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1003794&highlight=MaxMedia) (archived and closed)

I'm looking forward to buying the MaxMedia boxes when they are sold at Dollar Tree or Family Dollar.

Malouff

07-18-08, 09:38 PM

But MaxMedia MMDTVB03 is still on the NTIA-Approved & Not Currently Available (https://www.ntiadtv.gov/cecb_list.cfm) list.The MMDTVB03 is like the other products on the list that will never be available.
Some of these boxes never got past the approval stage or were replaced with another box.
For example: I don't think the MicroProse MPI-500 will ever be sold as it was replaced with the MPI-500PT*
I wish the NTIA would prune that list of the dead boxes as it's very deceiving.

TalkingRat

07-18-08, 09:55 PM

Lutro. Now you see it, now you don't.

lexus2108

07-18-08, 10:09 PM

Looks like the Maxmedia Lutro* was removed from the NTIA list today 7/18/08

we are surprised why?

Malouff

07-18-08, 10:29 PM

I never wanted a Lutro lexus2108.
I was surprised when the NTIA did add it to the list thinking they would be back in business.

I was just shocked that they were removed and no alert or anything again this time.

It is very suspicious and I think that king of suspicions dagger666 must be behind it.http://www.orchidspng.com/discus/clipart/crutches.gif

seatacboy

07-18-08, 11:25 PM

I nver wanted a Lutro lexus2108. I was surprised when the NTIA did add it to the list thinking they would be back in business. I was just shocked that they were removed and no alert or anything again this time. It is very suspicious and I think that king of suspisions dagger666 must be behind it.http://www.orchidspng.com/discus/clipart/crutches.gif (theme from "Dragnet" blaring in the background)

I looking forward to buying the MaxMedia digital TV converter box when the units are liquidated at Dollar Tree or Family Dollar stores.:)

Postmoderndesign

07-21-08, 07:06 PM

I got the replacement TV converter box coupon today to replace the coupon wasted on MaxMedia. The coupon is valid thru 10/10/2008. Congratulations to the administrators and the staff of the coupon program for working it out.

gerhard911

07-21-08, 07:41 PM

Now that is some great news ! I kind of wish they had drug it out a while more since no new good candidates have arrived on the market but I honestly never expected to see my coupon replaced. Good on the bureaucrats for once !

dagger666

07-22-08, 07:23 AM

OrangeTang

07-22-08, 07:47 AM

zqxthree

07-22-08, 08:05 AM

I'm not sure anything on that web site is official MaxMedia at all. It is now blind-registered at GoDaddy and it appears the web site may have been hijacked by a porn site:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en-gb" lang="en-gb" dir="ltr">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
<meta name="robots" content="index, follow" />
<meta name="keywords" content="Maxmedia,Converter Box" />
<meta name="description" content="Maxmedia-Usa" />
<meta name="generator" content="Joomla! 1.5 - Open Source Content Management" />
<title>MaxMedia Lutro Is Here.</title>
<link href="/index.php?format=feed&type=rss" rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS 2.0" />

<link href="/index.php?format=feed&type=atom" rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" title="Atom 1.0" />
<link href="/favicon.ico" rel="shortcut icon" type="image/x-icon" />
<script type="text/javascript" src="/media/system/js/mootools.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" src="/media/system/js/caption.js"></script>

<link rel="stylesheet" href="/templates/system/css/offline.css" type="text/css" />
<link rel="stylesheet" href="/templates/system/css/general.css" type="text/css" />
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" /><style type="text/css">

</style></head>

<body>

<a href="http://www.analrumps.com"><img src="/images/lutroweb2.png" alt="" border="0" align="middle" /></a>
<h1>
maxmedia-usa.com </h1>
<p>
This site is down for maintenance. Please check back again soon. </p>
<form action="index.php" method="post" name="login" id="form-login">
<fieldset class="input">
<p id="form-login-username">

<label for="username">Username</label><br />
<input name="username" id="username" type="text" class="inputbox" alt="Username" size="18" />
</p>
<p id="form-login-password">
<label for="passwd">Password</label><br />
<input type="password" name="passwd" class="inputbox" size="18" alt="Password" id="passwd" />
</p>
<p id="form-login-remember">

<label for="remember">Remember Me</label>
<input type="checkbox" name="remember" class="inputbox" value="yes" alt="Remember Me" id="remember" />
</p>
<input type="submit" name="Submit" class="button" value="Login" />
</fieldset>
<p>
<input type="hidden" name="option" value="com_user" />
<input type="hidden" name="task" value="login" />

<input type="hidden" name="return" value="aHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXhtZWRpYS11c2EuY29tLw==" />
<input type="hidden" name="a37e39346a5e2d6c450926ff0278eb5c" value="1" /></p>
<p> </p>
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<p> </p>

<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p class="style1">© Copyright 2008 <a href="/www.maxgroup.com">Maxgroup</a><br />
<a href="/Convertmy.TV">Convertmy.TV</a> ®/ Memsen Corp ™.</p>

</form>
</body>
</html>

lexus2108

07-22-08, 05:26 PM

I am a bit concerned. Why would Maxmedia say they are not affiliated with Convertmy.TV or Memsen Corp. when in fact they have the copyright and trademark on their site. I say we need to contact the NTIA because it is obvious the scamers are back in business under another name. Let's start making some calls before others get taken advantage of.

Why would we waste our time? If they are having internal problems that is their problem. Not ours. No one cares about MM or Memsen anymore. We have our boxes now and I guess new coupons that were stolen from us

kustom

07-22-08, 05:28 PM

I got my replacements today also.

kustom

Malouff

07-22-08, 08:06 PM

I say we need to contact the NTIA because it is obvious the scamers are back in business under another name. Let's start making some calls before others get taken advantage of.Why would we need to contact the NTIA?

To ask them if it's ok to use a coupon for the MaxMedia Lutro that was removed from the NTIA approved list. :rolleyes:

I don't think anyone else will be taken advantage of.
Unless MaxMedia switched from advertising the Lutro to the MMDTVB03 that remained on the approved list.

electrictroy

07-23-08, 08:14 AM

I didn't get my box yet?

Anybody else gets theres?

dagger666

07-23-08, 08:32 AM

I got my replacements today also.

kustom

what was your order number mine was 25 and i haven't received anything, no replacement coupons.
:mad:

Postmoderndesign

07-23-08, 09:45 AM

I got this message on 6/16 and responded that I would like a replacement coupon. I suggest you email Anita Wallgren and ask for a replacement coupon:

Dear Convert My TV customer:

You recently used a coupon from NTIA's TV Converter Box Coupon Program to order a MaxMedia MMDTVB03 converter from convertmytv.com. When the manufacturer decided not to manufacture this product, the retailer offered to substitute a Sansonic converter. The records we received from the retailer indicate that you did not accept the substitute and that your order has now been canceled. If this is incorrect, please let us know.

The retailer has been decertified from the Coupon Program. NTIA has determined that in these special circumstances, the Program will replace your coupon (or coupons is you ordered two Max Media 03 converters) so that you may use them towards the purchase of a converter at a retailer of your choice that is participating in the Program. The Program is working on the logistics to be able to replace your coupons.

I hope this will be a satisfactory result for you.

Thank you for your interest in the program.

Sincerely,

Anita L. Wallgren
Program Director
TV Converter Box Coupon Program
U.S. Department of Commerce
Washington, D.C. 20230
(202) 482-6266 - Direct Phone
(202) 482-4626 - Fax
awallgren@ntia.doc.gov

dagger666

07-23-08, 11:07 AM

i got 1 coupon today but it doesn't say it was for maxmedia but i'll guess i was for that. expires 10/10/2008

lexus2108

07-23-08, 04:09 PM

I got mine too today.

Now I can totaly forget about MM and Memsen

lexus2108

07-23-08, 04:10 PM