View Full Version : How To Get AVCHD to DVD Lossless ? (Mac OS X)


Kasimir
04-29-08, 03:37 PM
Okay guys, as some may know, I have the Sony HDR_SR11. What I'd like to do is get my movies off the HDRSR11 and burn them on a dvd (that will play in a standard dvd player of course) without re-encoding the files. Can this be done ?

I ask because I want the high-def quality on the dvd. Not a down rezzed version. I have a single layer burner and a dual layer burner so that's not an issue. I just want to get the files onto a dvd-r so I don't have to watch all my hi def content on the computer or connect my camera to the tv.

Again, please consider that I am on a MAC.

If someone can please tell me how to do this (if it's possible) I'd sincerely appreciate it.

Ungermann
04-29-08, 03:43 PM
Okay guys, as some may know, I have the Sony HDR_SR11. What I'd like to do is get my movies off the HDRSR11 and burn them on a dvd (that will play in a standard dvd player of course) without re-encoding the files. Can this be done ?
No.

Kasimir
04-29-08, 03:48 PM
Okay...well...can you explain in a little more detail ? So you're telling me that Sony sells these cameras under the assumption that everyone only wants to watch the HD content with their camera connected to a tv ?

Ungermann
04-29-08, 04:16 PM
* Downconvert to DVD, let your grandma watch on a regular DVD player
* Downconvert to DivX or QuickTime, let your friends watch online
* Watch on a computer (get a big screen and a good deinterlacing codec)
* Watch from a computer on a TV, using TV as a monitor
* Burn onto a DVD disk and watch from a Blu-ray player (this option requires more efforts from an owner of a NON-card-based camcorder compared to simple dumping of a 4GB card onto a DVD)
* Burn onto a DVD disk and watch from an HD DVD player or an XBox (additional efforts to properly prepare the disk structure)
* Copy onto a PlayStation3 and watch from it, no need to burn disks
* Watch on a TV that accepts memory cards with AVCHD video (some newer Blu-ray players have card slots too), nothing to burn/convert/copy, just insert a card and enjoy original video (camcorders that record on non-removable media are out).

And of course

* Watch from the camcorder

Sony wants you to buy its Blu-ray players, Panasonic wants you to buy its Blu-ray players and TVs with a memory card slot. Canon does not care much. JVC does not know what AVCHD is.

warriorking
04-29-08, 05:02 PM
Best deal by far is to purchase a PS3 system, You can use either Pinnacle or Nero to burn or edit the files straight to your DVD and play them in your PS3 in all its HD glory...Its just a really nice home entertainment center, Watch the latest Bluray movies, listen to your favorite music, explore the internet, or play some games...just a complete all around system......I watch my AVCHD movies from my Canon HD10 on my PS3 after burning them to a DVD and just love every minute .....

gt9450
04-29-08, 05:22 PM
if you have a mac you can use IMovie to import video from your sony then burn to dvd with IDVD. I have a mac pro 2.66 quad core 8g of ram with 3 500g hd and 1 250g hd with windows xp on it. if you want a easy way to make a avchd disc is to you toast 9 but remember you can only play avc on pc or blu-ray player. this is what i have been using since toast 9 have been out i have a canon h20 camcorder.

Chadnutz
04-29-08, 05:32 PM
This question falls in line with the first, so its not a complete hijack. I used the software that came with the SR11 to do the "one touch to DVD" to capture the video from the camera. It really didn't explain what it was going to do, but when it was done I had one DVD in DVD video format of the SD recordings in the camera. I also had a DVD in another format, presumably AVCREC, with the HD video.

When I look at the AVCREC disk on my computer, I see the whole file system and files and can play the video. If I look on another computer that doesn't have the Sony software installed, it looks like a blank DVD. I even tried Linux to no avail.

Questions...
1) Is it really an AVCREC disk?
2) Is the AVCREC disk's file system different from a normal DVD? Obviously the video files are, but the fact my computer at work can't see the contents leads me to believe the file system is different.
3) Is there any place to download a "driver" or "interpreter" to read the disk without installing the Sony software?

10dulkar
04-29-08, 05:54 PM
* Downconvert to DVD, let your grandma watch on a regular DVD player
* Downconvert to DivX or QuickTime, let your friends watch online
* Watch on a computer (get a big screen and a good deinterlacing codec)
* Watch from a computer on a TV, using TV as a monitor
* Burn onto a DVD disk and watch from a Blu-ray player (this option requires more efforts from an owner of a NON-card-based camcorder compared to simple dumping of a 4GB card onto a DVD)
* Burn onto a DVD disk and watch from an HD DVD player or an XBox (additional efforts to properly prepare the disk structure)
* Copy onto a PlayStation3 and watch from it, no need to burn disks
* Watch on a TV that accepts memory cards with AVCHD video (some newer Blu-ray players have card slots too), nothing to burn/convert/copy, just insert a card and enjoy original video (camcorders that record on non-removable media are out).

And of course

* Watch from the camcorder

Sony wants you to buy its Blu-ray players, Panasonic wants you to buy its Blu-ray players and TVs with a memory card slot. Canon does not care much. JVC does not know what AVCHD is.

isnt there one more option? stream from computer? there are a couple of new players (popcorn hour etc) that supposedly stream hi-def content fairly well...

Kasimir
04-29-08, 06:00 PM
* Burn onto a DVD disk and watch from an HD DVD player or an XBox (additional efforts to properly prepare the disk structure)


^^^^That is the option I think I may be interested in. But, what kind of quality will that dvd-r be ?

Can you provide a link to a tutorial or something on this process ?

Thanks

Ungermann
04-29-08, 06:15 PM
Is it really an AVCREC disk?
Don't know as there are no public docs on avcrec. I assume you mean what everyone else calls BD5 or BD9. Try looking at it under Vista, it reads UDF file system, or install a UDF-reading utility. Does it look anything like shown in this article (http://www.elurauser.com/articles/avchd_to_bluray.jsp)?

Is the AVCREC disk's file system different from a normal DVD? Obviously the video files are, but the fact my computer at work can't see the contents leads me to believe the file system is different.
Supposedly avcrec has file system that is similar to Blu-ray, but actually is closer to original AVCHD recording. Again, noone knows as there are no public docs on avcrec.

Luc48
04-29-08, 06:43 PM
* Burn onto a DVD disk and watch from an HD DVD player or an XBox (additional efforts to properly prepare the disk structure)


^^^^That is the option I think I may be interested in. But, what kind of quality will that dvd-r be ?

Can you provide a link to a tutorial or something on this process ?

Thanks
UPDATE new tutorial: http://lucienk.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!A4AE3FB12A26635!867.entry


I wrote an quick tutorial while ago how to convert movies to WMVHD and burn to regular DVD (no HD-DVD required) which is very similar:

http://lucienk.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!A4AE3FB12A26635!297.entry

However in a nutshell this is pretty much it (no directory structure needed):
- Render a (single) movie file (I typically use WMVHD 720p for xbox360)
- Burn it on DVD-R (or RW) disk. Make sure you use UDF format when burning on DVD-R. However you can also copy file to any USB drive

Here's the xbox360 playback faq (you can also render as mov files if you have a mac):

http://blogs.msdn.com/xboxteam/archive/2007/11/30/december-2007-video-playback-faq.aspx

I often also stream from PC which works without stuttering for me. In Vista it's automatically setup if you have a wireless network. Note it's 720p but quality is pretty good if you use VBR 2-pass (5-6 and peak 9-10)

Kasimir
04-30-08, 09:39 PM
Okay...I got it figured out from another source. All you/I have to do is get Roxio Toast 9 Titanium and it imports the .MTS files with no problem. Then, simply select burn to HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, DVD or whatever you want and hit record.

I chose HD-DVD and it recorded rather fast and the quality was awesome 1080i as verified by the HD-DVD player.

I knew there had to be away that didn't take hours and hours.

Don Landis
05-02-08, 02:58 AM
The Mac didn't like my MTS AVCHD files as they were from my camcorder. Having an interest in Mac usage, I decided to test some things. I tried to play the files in QuickTime and it didn't recognize the files. I did get the files to be recognized by taking them into Vegas (on my PC) and using a MainConcept codec and render to MP4. However this is not a good efficient way to do this. I tried to load into FinalCut Studio 2 and it caused the Mac to crash! ??? This is the first time my MacBook Pro has ever crashed to black screen and needed to reboot.
But, I made this observation and have not tested it- I recently bought a Canon HG10 for my daughter. She has a Mac with windows / Parallels loaded. So, I felt safe in her having a backup capability if necessary on the windows side.. Considering that it may be easier for her to stay on the OS X side of Parallels, I saw that the Canon HD10 comes with MAC software in addition to windows applications. Obviously this will work. Sorry, I don't have any details but I understand you can check it out on the Canon website. Consider this a clue for you to followup on and let us know how you did. Not suggesting you get a Canon but the software they use may be your answer. Good luck with that-