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CINERAMAX
05-29-08, 12:49 PM
Very very nice. The curtains give that theatrical atmosphere.

I know you are not using an anamorphic lens but that looks like an Isco 3 peeping it head out of the curtains, good size primary.

To me it has that Wilkes-Booth sorta look...

http://mrmorrison.pbwiki.com/f/Abraham-Lincoln-Shooting-1.jpg

Dizzman
05-29-08, 01:38 PM
peter has a dual life...

http://manchester.flirtbox.co.uk/cineramax

Art Sonneborn
05-29-08, 02:36 PM
You had me until I read this part:


"Bodyshape: athletic and toned "



Peter ,you might as well come clean she would find out pretty early on.

Art

coldmachine
05-29-08, 03:11 PM
You had me until I read this part:


"Bodyshape: athletic and toned "



Peter ,you might as well come clean she would find out pretty early on.

Art

I was willing to let that one slide:eek::eek:

It was, Occupation- Stuntman, that blew a hemorrhoid for me

CINERAMAX
05-29-08, 07:53 PM
Hey if this guy was in shape, I am trimmed.

http://www.patfullerton.com/superman/pix/superman/tv-georgereeves2.jpg

W.Mayer
05-31-08, 05:25 AM
Very nice, I was thinking of something similar for the third superkontrast.

I have a few questions if you don't mind.

1-What material is this thin panel in between the lens ring and the projecktor chassis?
wood, plastic, metal? 1-B it looks like there is a smaller subpanel that is closed in after the lens is in place, in that case ignore question3.;)

2- Is the opening round or elliptical (to accommodate the vertical lens shift).

3-How did you lock down the screen locks with such restricted access?

4-Are the black velvet curtains adding additional sound insulation to the panel or they are just for light scatter countermeasure effect?

Looks very clean. Congrats.


Oh wait! Question 5- I see you got a Denon surround processor. How do you like the scaler section compared to a straight 1080p feed into the projector dvi in?

http://www.acoustiblok.com/images/inst_fig5.jpg

I was thinking of using ACOUSTIBLOK.


Last question if the projector has 65 db in the open what do you think you are getting now in front of the lens 45-55db?


1.its a very strong wood about 32mm thick and it is coated with velux from steward(the very very black velvet from them they use to cover there screens)


2.the optic is in the front 120 mm max deeper inside a little bit less.
the hole in the wood is 130mm and round.
so in theory i have 6-7 mm arround but for some reason the worker made it wrong.
the did 130 mm opening but use a slightly wrong position
to so therefore i have
on the left side just 3mm space between the optic and the wood.
but that is enough for the lens shift i need.

3.please explan again i not understand.

4.the black velvet in front of the wood is a normaly black velvet and its just
to cover the front from that pr. room that is made from this strong 32mm wood.
it has no nosie level decrease.

5.i had the avp2 in the past and i like the sound from the denon a lot.
the problem for me was after i lost my right ear i can not heare anymore
where the sound comes from so i not can rate anymore how good the unit
sounds about spatial.
for me its the same if i just have one speaker in the
center or a 7.2 set up:mad::mad::mad:

as the dp 2000 can only take p formats i need to make deinterlacing
for 1920x1080 50 and 60i
in the lumagen or the denon.
i use the lumagen for this but the denon do it also even with
hdmi inputs!
but all adjustments cr.color....... are not there with the denon.
that is one more reason why i use the radiance.

you are sure the dp 2000 has only 65db?
i think it have more but anyway if that 65db are right that means you have to add the sound level the air exaust and air input have and i am sure you will measure
over 70db with it.
as you can see in one off my first pictures in this thread i have use big sound absorber in both directions (air in and out) but as i have a sound level meter i will measure the sound level for you as it was a
good idea and i am also interestet to see what are the numbers at the
first row and the secound.

btw. the sound that comes out from the spacing that i have arround the optic is not much.

W.Mayer
05-31-08, 01:53 PM
the sound level meter lowest is 50 db i can measure.

inside the pr. romm i have 72 db in 1 m distance to the pr.

at the place where the optic comes out i have a little less than 50 i guess because
i cant measure it.

so the secound from right (secound row) are the one with the most nosie
i guess have 45 db the others may 35-40 db
and the first row where i sit 99.9% of the time are in the good 30 db.

ontill you not see the end sequenz from 2001 where almost no sound was there
its ok for me.

if someone know how much sound level drop every meter
than i can count it.
was it -3db/meter?

lovemymac
06-03-08, 12:18 PM
What special care does this projector take? What kind of price est would this run and 3rd where do you find it. I did a search but could not turn up anything

Dizzman
06-03-08, 12:36 PM
it needs a dedicated HVAC line into the space where it is, dedicated exhaust hosing. a 220V line, look at the beginning of the thread. it is in the neighborhood of 100K at least for the proj and lens. installation and setup will add to that. this is not a DIY system. This monster is sold through very limited distribution.

You need to find an integrator. There are excellent ones in CHicago.

LJG
06-03-08, 01:13 PM
OOPs wrong thread

CINERAMAX
06-03-08, 05:17 PM
What special care does this projector take? What kind of price est would this run and 3rd where do you find it. I did a search but could not turn up anything


The projector can have infancy issues during setup which are quickly resolved with the support team from Barco or the Var's, other than that you need to do a Z adjustment, a rotation of the lamp after 250 hours or so.

Our installs include remote diagnostic and remote assisted setup for the macros.

Other than that clean the lens and port glass regular. DCI projectors are designed for 17 hour day 365 day operation.

DefinerOfReality
06-13-08, 08:50 PM
There are no infancy issues with the Sony SRX Projectors!

CINERAMAX
06-13-08, 09:05 PM
Just persistent on going defficiencies.:)

Art Sonneborn
06-13-08, 09:41 PM
There are no infancy issues with the Sony SRX Projectors!

Unless one considers uniformity and ANSI contrast as insignificant.

Art

W.Mayer
10-31-08, 10:43 AM
some update.

after some convergence problems i had in the past i got a free new light engine and
now it have a very very good convergence.

the only not 100% perfect area is in the left corner.
red is there out "only" about 0,25 pixels!!!

this is the best convergence i saw at a 3 chip pr.so far.

Alan Gouger
10-31-08, 10:56 AM
Congrats Mayer.

Make sure to wear the glasses if screening anything in anaglyph 3-D or you will think you are out of convergence again:)

W.Mayer
10-31-08, 12:43 PM
hi alan

you must be monitoring me!

i just get some 5 hours ago the bd of

"journey to the center of the earth"

i was very impatient to see how good the 3d was and as i do 3d since 30 years
myself and also have some dci matrial in 3d i know how nice a good 3d picture can be.

they make a wrong decision to make this "modifid anaglyphe version"
where you can see some color but the trade of is to have big bugs.

the best is till this time bd will offers real 3d to make a black and white
version with red and green glasses.
that is only black and white but it can look great with no bugs at all.
i think the color that you can get from this modifid anaglyphe version
is very bad.
better no color but a good bug free 3d image in black and white.

also there is may a bug in motion as in motion the colored corners are moving not
in the same direction.

but this can be a bug from the display(i use a new pioneer kuro krp 600m for this
first test) i have to check at my cinema dlp
and a lcd tv if its there also visible.

if yes the bug it is on the disc.

its a nice try but i think most people cant see the hole 3d movie as there are to many
bugs and its very arduous to watch it.

that is not the way they should put a 3d version at a bd and this have nothing to do
what we will see in the near future at bd.
we will get for sure a much much better version in full color see also the reports about
the new panasonic demo at ceatec in japan just some weeks ago.

W.Mayer
10-31-08, 01:28 PM
some nice infos.

use the fish:

http://audiovision.de/2/78/10/Alle-wollen-3D

Art Sonneborn
10-31-08, 03:07 PM
Great to hear you are up and running Wolfgang !:)

Art

JBLsound4645
10-31-08, 05:39 PM
Isn’t 4KW Xenon a bit too much for the home? What’s next 15KW IMAX Xenon:D

So where do you keep the rectifier?

JBLsound4645
10-31-08, 05:51 PM
3d

as i post already the main reason to buy this new pr.is to
do 2d AND 3d at the same screen with only one projector
instead of 2 pr. and no additional small 3m silver screen.

i was only "almost sure" that i works in 3d like i hope.

so the unit arrive me and some days later i got my pc back from
mr. trautner in austria that modifi this pc to output my
3d pictures at 2048x1080.

he also build the sync box that i need to drive the emitter
that controll and sync the shutter glasses.

for some reason it not works.

i try it 2 days with the help form mr. trautner and than he build a new sync box because we think that
this one is brocken.

but some days later i got a secound one but
even with this new box it not work at all.

i was very frustrated as this was the main reason to buy this pr.
http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/509/IMG_2527.JPG



i contact barco than and after some days barco told me that some early units
have a bug at the 37 pin connector.
the connect it inside mirrored so the pin are not right connectet.

i change this and from that time on it works in 3d perfect.

than some days later a other bad news.

i must discover that my calculation about lumens in 3d per eye are wrong.

i not count that if you do 3d aktiv with one pr. than you measure on the screen
(the left and right one the same time on the screen see this picture)
both pictures left and right at the same time and that doubles the light output.
when the shutter is in between the picture you see ONLY ether left OR right so
to make it easy to understand
"i have half light on the screen as i original count".

my mistake but as i already ordert the unit that have the highest lumen out
i cant do anything about it.

so now depends on the screen size i use in 3d 5,3m wide is max. because of my 2.35 format screen
or min. 4,98m(that is the smallest picture my optic can do)
and depens on what shutter i use(i have both the nuvision and the cristaleye)
i can get between 12.6 ftl to 17.5 ftl in 3d to the eye net with a new lamp.
that is compare to cinemas where you have in 3d between 3.5-4.5 ftl a lot but
not as bright as i original thought.

as i work with the unit now sice some days i begin to appreciate
how nice it was to have one pr. for 2d and 3d at only one screen.
reason is also that all adjustments(size lamp output focus location horz. and vert.and all the rest)
can be stored as a macro and just one push brings me from 2d in 7m 2.35 format to
3d at 5.3m at 1.89:1
very very nice.
http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/509/IMG_2530.JPG


So I guess you need a super large image too see the small text on the computer :D very impressive its not like I seen a large image before but in the home its uncommon.

That lens is wow very nice how much did it cost?


http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/509/IMG_0051.JPG

CINERAMAX
10-31-08, 08:07 PM
Not for 22 foot wide 3d- it is about pushing it.

W.Mayer
11-01-08, 05:15 AM
Isn’t 4KW Xenon a bit too much for the home? What’s next 15KW IMAX Xenon:D

So where do you keep the rectifier?

may 6-7kw xenon with the new 1.2 dmds that will come next year that can do triple flash in 3d at FULL RES.:)

3d is the problem as you can read in my thread.

i have a 7m screen and the problem is not 2d its 3d.

as i do 3d with one pr.in shutter i can get only 12 ftl at the 7m screen to my eyes (measured after the shutter glasses)when i use full power.
as this is less than half what i like to see in 3d i use now a smaller
screen for 3d where i can go up to about 50 ftl but only a 3 m wide screen.

in normaly cinemas the have most betwwen 3.5 and 5 ftl only.
so my set up is bright in 3d but my target is to have 30 ftl in 3d.

in 2d i runn the pr. at 2700 watt and i get arround 35 ftl on the screen
and that looks very nice.
as all people that have a bright pr. know when you get used to it you cant go back to 12 or 14 ft.

JBLsound4645
11-01-08, 08:39 AM
How much does this cost, in electricity bills, I bet the power consumption is huge just for a home?

CINERAMAX
11-01-08, 01:22 PM
may 6-7kw xenon with the new 1.2 dmds that will come next year that can do triple flash in 3d at FULL RES.:)


Christie had 6kw in their 1.2 dmd 3D solution at showeast, but only 4 meter wide image. Were those not full res?

W.Mayer
11-01-08, 02:34 PM
i hear that the christie 1.2" cinema pr. at showeast was a prototype that can
do 3d at triple flash in full res.but that info can be wrong as it
was very hard to prove.

you can order this new 1.2" cinema pr.(btw that is now dc4) and christie told me
delivery is dec/jan.if ther is no delay.
other company will have it also next year but seams christie is the first
this time with this new feature.

the first pr. was the barco dp1500 and dp2000 that can do it
since 1 year with there 0,98" cinema dmd pr.

CINERAMAX
11-03-08, 04:01 PM
i hear that the christie 1.2" cinema pr. at showeast was a prototype that can
do 3d at triple flash in full res.but that info can be wrong as it
was very hard to prove.

you can order this new 1.2" cinema pr.(btw that is now dc4) and christie told me
delivery is dec/jan.if ther is no delay.

Here it is, there was also another one at the big breakfast shootout.

http://www.smxscreen.com/images/show-east-08/IMG_0595.jpg

filtor
12-24-08, 11:35 PM
All I've got to say is y'all must have WAY more money than I do... :( :D

sierraalphahotel
12-25-08, 03:12 AM
Here it is, there was also another one at the big breakfast shootout.

http://www.smxscreen.com/images/show-east-08/IMG_0595.jpg

Is that a little KEF sub under that rack? :) Could someone explain what role it plays in this set-up? :p

lordcloud
12-27-08, 12:45 PM
all i've got to say is y'all must have way more money than i do... :( :d

+1

CINERAMAX
12-27-08, 02:04 PM
Cheer up poh crt folk. One day very soon you will be able to buy these 20 cents on the dollar.:D

CINERAMAX
07-01-09, 07:01 PM
Wolfgang, I am planning for installation of a Dolby wheel system because it is the brightest and sharpest option for DCI 3-D (Avatar Party;)).

Do you know if 120hz content be played also using the Dolby system. Video Games look amazing. Have you tried?

Are there any 3-D PC video cards with 144 hz 2048 x 1080 out for motion video?

Thanks,

CINERAMAX
07-02-09, 05:09 PM
http://cinetal.com/products/PDF/Davio_lo.pdf

This is what is needed to color process the two separate stereoscopic signals into the Dolby 3-D color format.

It is very flexible unit with upcoming frame accelerator module.

Notice being able to cross convert to single hdmi 3-D from dual hssdi and viceversa.

CINERAMAX
07-02-09, 05:12 PM
Ich muss dieses kaufen…

CINERAMAX
07-02-09, 05:23 PM
http://www.cinetal.com/products/images/dolby_filterprojector.gif

The Dolby 3D Color Processor, manufactured by Cine-tal, performs accurate left eye /right eye color balancing for color grading suites and screening rooms using the Dolby 3D Cinema Color Filter for digital projection. The Dolby 3D Color Processor provides the same color processing as Dolby's Digital Cinema Show Player used in the exhibition theater. With the Dolby 3D Color Processor production and post production professionals are guaranteed the same color accuracy when 3D material is played back from any source or server and projected with a Dolby 3D Cinema Color Filter.

Dolby 3D Digital Cinema is an extension of Dolby Digital Cinema, an established, proven technology. Dolby 3D Digital Cinema delivers an impressive 3D experience that provides realistic color and a sharper, clearer image. In addition, the technology behind Dolby 3D offers audiences a great 3D experience from every seat in the house.

Production and Post production professionals benefit from the efficiency and cost-effectiveness of Dolby 3D Digital Cinema in their color grading suites and screening rooms. Rather than requiring the expense, hassle, and technical compromises of installing a silver screen, Dolby 3D Digital Cinema uses the standard white screen and a standard digital cinema projector with a simple filter accessory.

For filmmakers, Dolby 3D Digital Cinema simplifies the process of creating and distributing fantastic 3D movies. Unlike other systems, there is no need for extra color correction or other compensation processes in post production. In addition to saving time and money, this approach delivers a visibly sharper and clearer image.

http://www.cinetal.com/products/PDF/Dolby3DCP_lo.pdf

W.Mayer
07-02-09, 06:34 PM
peter i cant help.

so far i only know that the barco dp 2000 can do 2x 48 and 2x 72(triple flash from 24 frames)and not 60.

if i remenber right i feed one day 25 p at tripple flash from
my 3d computer (2x 75 hz) and without
any info from barco(they dont know if this works or not)
i found out it works.


but all 3d movies are record in 24p in 3d.
that means 24 left and 24 right images per secound.

if you now transfere this 24 frame to match 60 hz than you get the motion bug the "3:2 pulldown judder" back and thats not what we like or?

but if the source is video 3d at 60 frames than it sould work perfect
IF the pr. can do it.

but why 2x 60 hz?
i can see still at 2x 60 hz a flicker!
not mutch but in bright images some people can see it.
2x 72 hz is 100% flicker free.

thats also a big question about the new standart for 3d on bd.
if they just do 2x 60 hz than we will have in 3d the motion bug back when the source is 3D film.

but this standart is till today NOT fixed its still under discussions.

CINERAMAX
07-02-09, 06:55 PM
peter i cant help.

so far i only know that the barco dp 2000 can do 2x 48 and 2x 72(triple flash from 24 frames)and not 60.

if i remenber right i feed one day 25 p at tripple flash from
my 3d computer (2x 75 hz) and without
any info from barco(they dont know if this works or not)
i found out it works.


but all 3d movies are record in 24p in 3d.
that means 24 left and 24 right images per secound.

if you now transfere this 24 frame to match 60 hz than you get the motion bug the "3:2 pulldown judder" back and thats not what we like or?

but if the source is video 3d at 60 frames than it sould work perfect
IF the pr. can do it.

but why 2x 60 hz?
i can see still at 2x 60 hz a flicker!
not mutch but in bright images some people can see it.
2x 72 hz is 100% flicker free.

thats also a big question about the new standart for 3d on bd.
if they just do 2x 60 hz than we will have in 3d the motion bug back when the source is 3D film.

but this standart is till today NOT fixed its still under discussions.

Wolfgang I saw a 3d demo on the Titan 3D at Infocomm, as you say content shot on 24 frames had some motion bug at 120hz, d'accord. But they showed a lot of PC Video games that looked incredible, there are 70 video games now that are 3-D. Guitar Hero for example had excellent parallax, and the guitar chords float in front.

Ich nicht ein vieogamer but just to see the incredible 3-D effects Video Games is a must for someone with a 3d projector. Try it.

Now if you can play the video game at 2048 x1080 72 fps then all you need is plug into projector, but the gaming clips I saw were obviously 60hz because they looked the best on the 120fps Titan.

http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/18304/screenshot3.jpg

SEE LIST HERE (http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_Vision_3D_Games.html)

nyumnyal
08-14-10, 10:55 AM
masters
i need help for my barco DP 2000
they cant show the picture
but lamp and dowser on

CINERAMAX
08-14-10, 11:07 AM
contact member Ciputra in KL.