I plan on replacing my receiver and sub. I just bought a Sammy LN52a750 so now I need to upgrade the rest of my system. My sub is an old DT PowerField 15. My speakers aren't very old, Polk RTi10s, fxi3s, and a Polk center so I am not upgrading them at this time. I have a HK AVR 330 and will upgrade to Denon or Onkyo. My question is do some subs match better to receivers or will a good sub sound good with any receiver? Should I buy one and then match the other to it? I haven't really started looking at subs or receivers yet but my price ranges will be around $500-600 for the sub and $600-800 for the receiver. Thanks for any advice.

[QUOTE=wolver98;13794127]I plan on replacing my receiver and sub. I just bought a Sammy LN52a750 so now I need to upgrade the rest of my system. My sub is an old DT PowerField 15. My speakers aren't very old, Polk RTi10s, fxi3s, and a Polk center so I am not upgrading them at this time. I have a HK AVR 330 and will upgrade to Denon or Onkyo. My question is do some subs match better to receivers or will a good sub sound good with any receiver? Should I buy one and then match the other to it? I haven't really started looking at subs or receivers yet but my price ranges will be around $500-600 for the sub and $600-800 for the receiver. Thanks for any advice.[/QUOTE


i would go with the ONKYO 705 for $512 at amazon.com

and the eD A5-350 with the LT-550 amp subwoofer for $715 shipped

thats what i have and it rocks

What do you mostly use yours for? I will use it for TV, (sports), then gaming followed by movies and then music everyone once in awhile.

What do you mostly use yours for? I will use it for TV, (sports), then gaming followed by movies and then music everyone once in awhile.

100% movies and tv

Thanks for the reply.

Do not spend more on reciever than on the sub

+1 for the 705 and the A5-350 would be a great choice or other subs here:
http://epiksubwoofers.com/CaliberOverview.html
http://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-mk3.html
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Do not spend more on reciever than on the sub


Really? I thought the receiver was the center of the home theater.

Do not spend more on reciever than on the sub

What the?

Where's the logic behind that?

Really? I thought the receiver was the center of the home theater.

Features not withstanding the difference in performance between receivers is going to be marginal in comparison to the differences that can be achieved with better speakers and/or sub. Also speakers and sub don't need to be matched so get the best quality sub you can and if you're happy with your current HK I would also include HK in your search for the receiver.

I like my HK but I will be looking for an HDMI switchable and the most that I have seen have been Denon or Onkyo. I have had 2 HKs so maybe it is time for something new. Plus I have a CC in town, so I lean towards them and they don't carry HK anymore. I like making big purchases in person, in a store where I can return it easily if needed.

I like my HK but I will be looking for an HDMI switchable and the most that I have seen have been Denon or Onkyo. I have had 2 HKs so maybe it is time for something new. Plus I have a CC in town, so I lean towards them and they don't carry HK anymore. I like making big purchases in person, in a store where I can return it easily if needed.

I understand the ease of purchasing locally, makes returning very easy if your not satisfied. I only mentioned the consideration for HK because they are very good sounding receivers and you're already use to their sound, most (subjective) will prefer HKs sound at the price point for music especially, however you will have 30 days to find out for yourself.

HK does have several HDMI models out currently 247 and 347 in the same budget range with their new model line due out soon. With your 100% preference for movies and TV I doubt you'll notice any difference, music maybe but again that's subjective, I would suggest using the 30 trial period from CC for an in home demo before you get ried of your current receiver in case you decide to go with something else. Good Luck.

Oh this is the sub forum :), now back to subs, I would HIGHLY suggest going ID here over CC, You're just not going to get the quality from them as you can by going ID, not happening. After you get your receiver picked out post a budget for the sub with your room size, listening preferences, etc and you'll get more specific feedback but right now in your budget range, Elemental Designs, Epik, SVS, HSU, Outlaw and AV123 all offer excellent subs at a good value, that should get you started.

Do not spend more on reciever than on the sub

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Read post #10, in a nutshell speakers and sub will have more effect on the performance of the system than the differences between receivers, it's always better which working within a budget to get the features you need in a receiver and spend the max you can on speakers and/or sub rather than overspending on a receiver for something not important like 10+w per etc. channel that means absolutely nothing.

Do not spend more on reciever than on the sub

I'm thinking of buying the Scamp-10 from Tweak City because it seems to be incredible value in a 10" sub (what I'm looking for).

I plan to spend a hell of lot more than $159 on my receiver :cool:

I'm thinking of buying the Scamp-10 from Tweak City because it seems to be incredible value in a 10" sub (what I'm looking for).

I plan to spend a hell of lot more than $159 on my receiver :cool:

That's a great choice for a budget system, it's hard to find a sub of decent quality < $200. If preliminary thoughts hold true, which I have no reason doubt they will given the designer it should compete and/or outperform subs well above that. It's impossible to find a receiver < $159 unless you want to go refurb and give up HDMI audio which is a feature most people are looking for now, so in the utmost budget system cases I can see your point.

However the OP posted a budget up to $1400 total for receiver and sub (he already has speakers). With that budget he can find a sub will out preform the scamp and the conventional theory holds true, different receivers will have minimal effect on systems performance as opposed allowing more in the budget and moving up a step in the subwoofer.

The big thing is that the Sub and Speakers will be around for long after the receiver's technology has been surpassed. Someday you will need 5 or 6 HDMI and 4 or 5 new audio decoders that the current lineup do not have (hypothetical of course). The sub will still be a sub with X number of watts and a X diameter driver. This is a big reason for investing more into the sub than the receiver. Obviously if your budget is $600...then your receiver is going to be more expensive due to $350 being a bottom end pricing for all the HD bells and whistles. But if the budget is $1300 as in this case. You can spend $500 on the receiver and still have $800 left for a top quality sub that will last for decades to come. An $800 receiver will not be worlds better than the $500 receiver, but the difference in the $800 sub and $500 sub will be very noticeable.
The sub will also have a higher re-sale value if that ever comes into play.

Read post #10, in a nutshell speakers and sub will have more effect on the performance of the system than the differences between receivers, it's always better which working within a budget to get the features you need in a receiver and spend the max you can on speakers and/or sub rather than overspending on a receiver for something not important like 10+w per etc. channel that means absolutely nothing.

I don't disagree with the above, but I still think "Do not spend more on reciever than on the sub" is poor advice. That's never a guideline I would follow. I don't see that dependency there at all.

I don't disagree with the above, but I still think "Do not spend more on reciever than on the sub" is poor advice. That's never a guideline I would follow. I don't see that dependency there at all.

It's your money and it's just advice so take it or leave it. I don't see how you don't disagree with the above and then say you wouldn't follow it though. If someone was working with a MUCH higher budget and was going for a receiver or separates other than the mainstream companies I could see the ratio start to change but not with the $1400 budget specified.

I despise recievers in general. But I'm sure that amplifiers dont make nearly as much difference as the speakers, so I spent 3x more on my speakers than on the amplifiers to power them. I actually did spend a bit more on my 3 stereo amps than on my sub, but I will have to buy a second sub in the future.

So I need to pick out my receiver and then come here and post all specs and then get some advice on which sub to get. Thanks for all the info.

I despise recievers in general. But I'm sure that amplifiers dont make nearly as much difference as the speakers, so I spent 3x more on my speakers than on the amplifiers to power them. I actually did spend a bit more on my 3 stereo amps than on my sub, but I will have to buy a second sub in the future.

When you have a 7.1 system it would be hard not to spend 3x more on your speakers than on your AVR or AMP.

So I need to pick out my receiver and then come here and post all specs and then get some advice on which sub to get. Thanks for all the info.

I only mentioned that so you'll have more of a grasp on what you can allow for the sub. Room Size, your listening preference, Size restrictions of the sub-if any, and finish preferences-if any, and budget of course would help, the specific receiver doesn't really matter. They will all pass a unamplified signal from the receiver.

I only mentioned that so you'll have more of a grasp on what you can allow for the sub. Room Size, your listening preference, Size restrictions of the sub-if any, and finish preferences-if any, and budget of course would help, the specific receiver doesn't really matter. They will all pass a unamplified signal from the receiver.


Cool. I will get some specs tomorrow so I can start to look and thanks again.

Room is 14'x17'.
I have a new Sammy LN52A750. Polk speakers, RTi10, fxi3s. I will get 2 more speakers with my new receiver for the 7.1.
Price $500-800 but willing to spend alittle more if needed.
Any size or look, I have a DT Powerfield 15 now and it is big.
I mostly watch TV, sports mostly, then I game with a 360 and PS3. Movies will be next with BR (ps3) and HD-DVD with the 360. Lastly I listen to music but not too often and when I do, it is metal.
Now I need to start looking for a receiver. Damn, I have to start working more OT.

But I'm sure that amplifiers dont make nearly as much difference as the speakers,

Different strokes for different folks but make no mistake about it...sound quality will come from (primarily) the amplifier itself...Any audiophile will tell you this...A speaker is only designed to emulate the signal it is being fed...I have yet to hear anyone proclaim that because they bought expensive speakers...their cheap amp sounds like a top of the line amp...while I have heard many proclaim that even a cheap speaker doesn't sound nearly as cheap when paired with a good quality amp...Now pair BOTH a good quality amp & a good quality speaker...well...then...you have the best of both worlds...:D

wolver98,

You'll find lots of options in the $6-$800 range from the usual ID contenders like Epik, av123, eD, hsu, and SVS.

However, it looks like you'll be buying locally, so maybe you'll get a few suggestions for B&M subs in that price range.

Different strokes for different folks but make no mistake about it...sound quality will come from (primarily) the amplifier itself...Any audiophile will tell you this...A speaker is only designed to emulate the signal it is being fed...I have yet to hear anyone proclaim that because they bought expensive speakers...their cheap amp sounds like a top of the line amp...while I have heard many proclaim that even a cheap speaker doesn't sound nearly as cheap when paired with a good quality amp...Now pair BOTH a good quality amp & a good quality speaker...well...then...you have the best of both worlds...:D

Sure but quality amplification is much cheaper than a quality set of speakers. I've also heard many audiophiles tell me that I need expensive speaker cable and interconnects. Always have to analyze your input ...

I don't have to buy locally, since it reduces my choices. I have a CC locally and a shop were I bought my DTs years ago and I believe they still carry DT. They are an high end shop so they are also expensive. I also have a BB and HHgred an hour away. To get what I need/want and a good price, I will order or drive if needed.