Purpose of this thread is to compare the Alient Vs Predator trailers. One was encoded in AVC and the other in MPEG2. The file size for the AVC trailer is about 320GB and the MPG2 one is about 290MB.

Edit:
These are both from trailers so the best we get from this is a comparison between AVC encode and MPEG2 encode. Can you guess which pics are MPG2 and which are AVC?

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_032_m1.png
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_032_m2.png

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_045_m1.png
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_045_m2.png

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_104_m1.png
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_104_m2.png

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_111_m1.png
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_111_m2.png

May we know which one is AVC and which one is MPEG-2 ? IMO I put the blame on the master which doesn't seem to be fresh and clean and bears this old and soft look.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_132_m1.png
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_132_m2.png

The shots on top are from the trailer?

Neither of them look good.

Am I right? How do I play this game? What's the prize? Is it the Joker that is doing this? Countdown to The Dark Knight. Post pics of Speed Racer instead. Best looking HD ever. Wow, the colors.

May we know which one is AVC and which one is MPEG-2 ? IMO I put the blame on the master which doesn't seem to be fresh and clean and bears this old and soft look.

Let's make this a blind test... which ones are AVC and which ones are MPG2. Note that the file numbers and file size may not necessarily mean anything :)

The shots on top are from the trailer?

Neither of them look good.

These are shots taken from the AVC encoded trailer as well as the MPG2 encoded trailer. I didnt think the movie looked that great but have read that the AVC encoded trailer looks better than the movie. Since the MPG2 trailer was representative of what I saw, I decided to find the AVC trailer and see if there was a difference. It wasnt very noticeable, so I decided to take some comparison pics. There are some minor differences, but when watching it motion, nothing really stands out...

How about comparing the actual BD vs AVC encoded trailer ? This is what most of us want.

How about comparing the actual BD vs AVC encoded trailer ? This is what most of us want.

I will do this soon...the reason why I did the comparison between the two trailers was for two reasons:
1) I thought the mpg2 trailer was representative of the movie
2) It's easier to find the scenes when dealing with a 2 minute clip versus a 2 hour film :)

In the very least, I think this shows that, just because something is AVC encoded, it doesnt mean it's going to make a big difference. There's no doubt that the bad-looking quality of these trailers come from the master rather than the codec/bit-rate/etc...

Edit: Turns out that the mpeg2 trailer is not representative of the movie. It's not so much that one looks better than the other, but there are some differences:
1) The trailer must have been made prior to the movie being completely finished. Some of the CGI effects are completely different from the final product.
2) The colors in the actual movie have been muted/de-saturated. The colors in the trailer look a bit over-saturated.

As far as posting comparison between BD and these trailer pictures, I have 3 of them so far, but have no clue where the 1st picture is on the BD (I dont remember where in the movie it occurs). Same goes for the 4th pic. I have the 2nd, 3rd and 5th almost ready to go but would like to post all 5 at once, so if anyone knows, let me know. You wont believe the difference in the cgi pics...

Thanks buddy. Would appreciate if you compare the actual BD vs the AVC encoded trailer ?

Good work on the captures! Now let's see that Blu-ray AVP versus the AVC trailer on AVP Requiem!

Good work on the captures! Now let's see that Blu-ray AVP versus the AVC trailer on AVP Requiem!

Second that. I would really like to compare the different contrast levels side by side. As mentioned everywhere, the BD is way too dark for comfort (artistically intended or not).

Second that. I would really like to compare the different contrast levels side by side. As mentioned everywhere, the BD is way too dark for comfort (artistically intended or not).

What discs have the AVP:Requiem trailer on it? And I agree... the movie is way too dark.

What discs have the AVP:Requiem trailer on it? And I agree... the movie is way too dark.

Hitman has the AVP Requiem trailer on it.

Hitman has the AVP Requiem trailer on it.

Ok..thanks... Hitman is being netflixed to me tomorrow. I just realized that AVP:R has 2 AVP:R trailers on it... I can always check that too :)

For everyone else:
So any guesses on which images are AVC and which are MPG2 ?

I would say the majority of them are MPEG2 first then AVC second. I think the face to face shot is the other way around

1. Mpeg2 AVC
2. AVC Mpeg2
3. AVC Mpeg2
4. Mpeg2 AVC
5. AVC Mpeg2
:)

Here are 3 of the 5 from the actual movie. I couldnt figure out where pic #4 occurs, and pic #1 does not occur in the movie.. the angle and cgi effects are just way too different.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_045_m3.png
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_104_m3.png
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/gvjm2007/HDSDCOMP/avp/avp_132_m3.png

Thanks stumlad. Now everyone will realize what I was talking about. Please do not tell me that image on the BD was intentional. If I was a mod I would have renamed this thread and stickied it.

Please do not tell me that image on the BD was intentional.

Not sure what you mean? The trailer has a considerable amount of color issues.. The BD is definitely muted... which one is correct?! Does one actually look better than the other?

By the looks of it, it's obvious the trailer was created before the final movie was finished... evidence of this can be seen with the 2 CGI shots -- the one with the aliens crawling up the temple and the one where the predator is jumping. If you look at predator jumping, you'll see the statues, walls, lighting are all different.

As far as the only non-cgi shot -- If you look at the shot with the guy with glasses, at first glance it may appear that the trailer has better resolution. I'm sure if you play with both photos in photoshop you can change the color levels and make the coloring almost identical, but I think the overal detail is about the same. One weird thing is that the actual BD shot looks like it's zoomed in a little bit....

(Side note: I'm working on HP:OOP for comparison shots between trailer and movie.. it think there is a color difference there as well, but not as dramatic as this)

Thanks for your comments and efforts. The BD is muted to an extent where it becomes washed out and unwatchable. Your assumptions on the trailer being created before the final movie may be right but to me the engineers should have left the image as-is. By doing this AVP-1 could have been a easy Tier-1 candidate and not a Tier-3 candidate as now. The BD version of AVP-1 reminds me of the old HD master of Matrix.

Thanks for your comments and efforts. The BD is muted to an extent where it becomes washed out and unwatchable. Your assumptions on the trailer being created before the final movie may be right but to me the engineers should have left the image as-is. By doing this AVP-1 could have been a easy Tier-1 candidate and not a Tier-3 candidate as now. The BD version of AVP-1 reminds me of the old HD master of Matrix.

I wonder how many other trailers are this far off :)

I was hoping for AvP-R trailer compared to AvP-R BD when I clicked. :(

so is AVP getting a new encode with the BD-live version coming out later in the year?

Hopefully but can't depend upon FOX who have a very bad track record.

I was hoping for AvP-R trailer compared to AvP-R BD when I clicked. :(

I'll do that after I do the Harry Potter 1080P h264 trailer versus the VC-1 encoded BD/HD DVD.

I'll do that after I do the Harry Potter 1080P h264 trailer versus the VC-1 encoded BD/HD DVD.

Ok, thanks.. looking forward to the comparison. :)

I don't see the point in doing this when trailers aren't supposed to be representative of a given film's master or intended coloration.

It's interesting.