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and also 24bit 96khz audio sound.:D

The 24/96 files are in WAV format. What would be the best way to get these onto a disc for playback in an Oppo or PS3? I'm guessing since the PS3 can read WAV files putting them on any media is fine, but was wondering if there was a more proper way of doing it.

I would love to know the answer to that question as well. I've looked around but haven't found a way yet. Anyone know?:confused:

you could burn your own DVD-Audio using Wavelab or some other equivalent software...

If the PS3 can read the .wav file (which I believe it can) you could either burn the file to a DVD as a data DVD, or transfer it using a USB flash drive or something.

Then, just go to "Music" press Triangle, Select "Display All" and select the file. Then transfer the file to the PS3 Hard Drive.

You may be able to play the file directly from the media, so you could skip the transfer to HDD step.

The PS3 will ead ave files, but it won't read these when I just burn them straight to disk.

Adam

Just stream the wav files to your PS3.

I suspect the PS3 XMB audio player will not play the files right though. 2 channel 44.1kHz 16bit .wav files play as 5.1 channel 48kHz 16bit PCM (with all channels muted except for front L/R) when playing on the PS3. This sucks for audiophiles mainly because of the 44.1 to 48kHz upconversion. Its not bitperfect. You have to physically put in a CD (.cda files) to get bit perfect 44.1kHz 16bit audio.

I will try to test the PS3 XMB audio player with the 96kHz 24bit .wav files tomorrow (downloading now).

i have the wave formats, and they wont play streaming from a media server to my ps3, any help? I really wanna hear these in all there glory!

Are the quality of these basically equal to 2 channel SACD sound?

The PS3 does not play the 24/96 wave files, tried it last night (transferred to the hdd).
The PS3 also does not support DVD-A playback.

Any other ideas?

you can burn the 24/96 to DVD-V that should play in the PS3

Well it sounds like the discussion so far has been entirely about using a PS3. Any ideas on how to get this onto a DVD to play it on a DVD player (which btw can handle DVD-A's). Is it easy to burn things like these .wav files into DTS or DVD-A? I've never done this before, so I'm a little unsure of where to get started. (I actually have a post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1026575) over in the 2ch section about this, with a bit more detail on what I'm thinking about. if you want to check that out.)

I have not tested yet, but Audio DVD Creator has the potential for creating regular DVD's in full rez (newer DVD player required)...

For those of you with players that support DVD-A (most or all of Oppo's players), here's a link to a trial version of software that will let you burn 24/96 wav files to DVD+-R:

http://www.cirlinca.com/download.htm

The trial allows you to burn 5 DVD-As within a certain time period so that should work. Does anybody know if your dvd burner has to explicitly support dvd-a or will just any DVD+-R drive (and disc) work?

DVD-A is just another folder (AUDIO_TS) on the disc so it should work on any DVD+/-R and/or burner

Cirlinca's DVD-Audio solo is $40

for free DVD-A creation you might want to read this

http://home.comcast.net/~adobeman/DVDA/

but... its only a two channel source, just burn the 24/96 WAV onto DVD-V and it should play in most DVD players

dvd2one

I have not tested yet, but Audio DVD Creator has the potential for creating regular DVD's in full rez (newer DVD player required)...


Just a heads up...This program worked GREAT! I am now enjoying the new album in HiRez FOR FREE! Fing wow.

The trial version only allows five tracks so it took 2 DVD's to burn the entire album. No Prob.
If I can figure out how to attach a different pic to each chapter it will be perfect! For now the album cover is the top menu and title menu background.
Song background is from the album art, track 1. Track 6 album art for disc 2 track background.

Nice first Hi Rez listen. I Did hear 1 track on the FM few days back...

Just wanted to report back quickly that DVD-Audio Solo worked just fine. I've now got my first (complete :)) 24/96 disc complete with still pictures for each song.

The demo's up after 30 days or 5 burns but I honestly don't see myself making too many more of these in the near future -- unfortunately.

Just wanted to report back quickly that DVD-Audio Solo worked just fine. I've now got my first (complete :)) 24/96 disc complete with still pictures for each song.

The demo's up after 30 days or 5 burns but I honestly don't see myself making too many more of these in the near future -- unfortunately.

Excellent good to hear! I may give this a try this weekend when I have a bit more time.
How easy was it to add the artwork to the disc for each track?

There's a little picture path box for each song into which you can drop the corresponding picture from the download. And adding songs is just drag and drop as well.

It actually wouldn't let me use the picture for the "1,000,000". It said something like: "file too large/small." The only other oddities were that it added a text plug for the software over the pictures (fairly small and unobtrusive) and the total album playing time is displayed on my player instead of playing time relative to the beginning of the song. Though this might just be a peculiarity of how the Oppo 980h handles dvd-a.

I created a DVD-A using DVD-Audio Solo and it worked great. I actually wrote it as an ISO file, then tried to burn an image with Nero, but Nero wouldn't recognize the file. So I went back to DVD-Audio Solo and burned a disc by linking to the ISO file I had created. Strangely enough it says I can still burn 5 DVDs, so it must not count against your trial offer when you create an ISO, then burn from it?

This ended up creating a disc with all 10 songs and they seem to all display the same image with track info and an Evaluation watermark from DVD-Audio Solo. They are 2 channel 96khz tracks and play fine in my Oppo 981.

For DVD-A, why not just use a free program, and not even worry about trials?
DVD-Audiofile 0.42, a nice little GUI for the open-source dvd-a tools, which doesn't support multchannel last time I checked but it's brilliant and quick for stereo 96kHz!
http://24bit.turtleside.com/

I've tried both DVD-Audiofile and the DOS-oriented batch tool it is based on, and both create an ISO image that is just over 1 MB is size - waaaaay too small for this content.

So I'm going to try the trial version of DVD-Audio solo.

Has anyone actually used DVD-Audiofile successfully on this NIN project? It seems like it should work, but doesn't...

shinksma

If there were a lot of 24/96 wav files out there I would be more into figuring out the open source stuff.

I sat down and really listened to The Slip last night. I haven't compared it to the cd version but it sounded really good. 'Soundstage' might be the audiophile term I'm looking for. It sounded very enveloping especially on certain tracks.

I've tried both DVD-Audiofile and the DOS-oriented batch tool it is based on, and both create an ISO image that is just over 1 MB is size - waaaaay too small for this content.

So I'm going to try the trial version of DVD-Audio solo.

Has anyone actually used DVD-Audiofile successfully on this NIN project? It seems like it should work, but doesn't...

shinksma

I used DVD-Audio solo with very good success. I even put the images on the disc so that they show on my TV while the music is playing.
It is actually quite simple to use although it has some minor quirks in the interface. In fact, it is so simple to use that I was a little confused because I expected to be more complicated!
I also experienced the small iso files with some of the other products. Beware of Audio DVD Creator, it creates video DVD's not DVD-A's.

I've tried both DVD-Audiofile and the DOS-oriented batch tool it is based on, and both create an ISO image that is just over 1 MB is size - waaaaay too small for this content.


DVD-Audiofile needs FLAC files to work correctly. Sure it says it can use WAVs, but you've seen what it does when you feed it WAV. :)

"The Definitive DVD-Audio Guide v1.0" (pdf) really stresses to use FLAC instead of WAVs with DVD-Audiofile... now I know why!

I used Audacity to convert the 24/96 WAVs to 24/96 FLACs, btw.

Use Audio DVD Creator to make an audio DVD with the WAV files and you will be able to play it in 24/96 on ur regular DVD player.

http://www.audio-dvd-creator.com/index.htm

Features:

* Put several (about 5-6) Audio CDs on one DVD with perfect audio quality.
* Put thousands of audio files on one DVD with top audio quality.
* Create DVD menu automatically.
* Create up to 99 DVD titles.
* Burn the Audio DVD to DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW directly.
* Create the Audio DVD to hard disk files.
* Output format is DVD-Video compliant, so that it can be played by any DVD player.
* Rip Audio CD to WAV files, and import them to Audio DVD directly.
* Import 96kHz/24bits WAV files, and keep the superb quality.
* Import Windows Media Format(.wma, .wmv, .asf), Real Media(.rm), OGG, FLAC, AC3 and AVI files via DirectShow Filters.
* Preview shows an overview of your Audio DVD.
* Save/Load your project, and edit it anytime.
* Blazing fast speed, only need about 30 minutes to create a PCM format Audio DVD. For AC3 format, it may need several hours.
* Easy to use: the wizard will guide you step by step - very suitable for beginners!
* Create Audio CD.
* Import AC3 5.1ch or AC3 2ch files, and export them to Audio DVD without quality loss.
* Use Matrix Mixer to convert 2ch audio input to AC3 5.1ch output.

Use Audio DVD Creator to do a DVD-A with the WAV files and you will be able to play it in 24/96 on ur regular DVD player.


Audio DVD Creator makes video DVD's but with music files (no video). You are correct, the files will be 24/96, they will play on any DVD player and they will probably sound just as good as a DVD-A. However, Audio DVD Creator does not make DVD-A's. DVD-A's have a different file structure and require a player that reads DVD-A.

Audio DVD Creator makes video DVD's but with music files (no video). You are correct, the files will be 24/96, they will play on any DVD player and they will probably sound just as good as a DVD-A. However, Audio DVD Creator does not make DVD-A's. DVD-A's have a different file structure and require a player that reads DVD-A.

I know but beside the structure that make it not playable on any DVD player (DVD-A), is it not going to be the same thing? Regular user wont see the difference. They will put it in their DVD player and enjoy it.

Still you have a good point, that way people will not think it's not playable on their DVD player.:)

I made myself a copy today and it sound very good!
Thanks Trent Reznor:D

Audio DVD Creator makes video DVD's but with music files (no video). You are correct, the files will be 24/96, they will play on any DVD player and they will probably sound just as good as a DVD-A. However, Audio DVD Creator does not make DVD-A's. DVD-A's have a different file structure and require a player that reads DVD-A.

I just don't understand the point you are trying to make. In your other post you used the term "beware" towards people using a program that makes a regular DVD. The regular DVD will play in more players and sound the same as a DVD-Audio (in this case). Am I missing something?

Is there a lossless codec I can convert the wav files into so I can keep the 24/96?

Is there a lossless codec I can convert the wav files into so I can keep the 24/96?


Yes. FLAC

I know but beside the structure that make it not playable on any DVD player (DVD-A), is it not going to be the same thing? Regular user wont see the difference. They will put it in their DVD player and enjoy it.

As long as the 24-bit 96-kHz files are stereo only i.e. not 5.1, there's no point in creating a DVD-Audio disc -- the DVD-Video format can handle it.

And every DVD-Audio player supports DVD-Video but not the other way round.

I just don't understand the point you are trying to make. In your other post you used the term "beware" towards people using a program that makes a regular DVD. The regular DVD will play in more players and sound the same as a DVD-Audio (in this case). Am I missing something?

I listen to a lot of multichannel music. If I were to purchase a program to copy hi res music, I would want a program that could do multichannel as well as stereo. But you (and others) make a good point, for stereo it makes no difference and the DVD will play on all players.

Can I just summarize for simplicity's sake:

1. If your player supports DVD-A, 'DVD-Audio Solo' will easily make a DVD-A. This is trial software.
2. DVD-Audiofile will also make a DVD-A. Don't burn the wav files. Instead convert them to .flac (using a program like Audacity) and get DVD-Audiofile to burn the converted .flac files.
3. Audio DVD Creator will make a DVD-V for use in all DVD players.

Either way, the sound quality will be the same (24bit/96khz 2-channel).

The bottom line is that Nine Inch Nails - 'The Slip' is worth checking out in any format.

Can I just summarize for simplicity's sake:

1. If your player supports DVD-A, 'DVD-Audio Solo' will easily make a DVD-A.
2. For use in other DVD players, DVD-Audiofile will make a DVD-V. Don't burn the wav files. Instead convert them to .flac (using a program like Audacity) and get DVD-Audiofile to burn the converted .flac files.

Either way, the sound quality will be the same (24bit/96khz 2-channel).

The bottom line is that Nine Inch Nails - 'The Slip' is worth checking out in any format.
Can you please edit your summary? :) DVD-Audiofile will make a DVD-Audio disc, not a DVD-Video disc. Look at the ISO, it only deal with the AUDIO_TS zone. Add a third option, Audio DVD Creator, which will make a DVD-V for use in other DVD players.

DVD-Audiofile needs FLAC files to work correctly. Sure it says it can use WAVs, but you've seen what it does when you feed it WAV. :)

"The Definitive DVD-Audio Guide v1.0" (pdf) really stresses to use FLAC instead of WAVs with DVD-Audiofile... now I know why!

I used Audacity to convert the 24/96 WAVs to 24/96 FLACs, btw.
Ahhhhh thanks for that useful tidbit of info. It worked perfectly with FLACs! Great little tool for simple stereo tracks which don't need MLP compression.

NIN should have released the hi-res version in FLAC anyway, to halve HDD space and download time and for tagging. I guess they didn't want to confuse the downloaders too much and make it appear clearly a different version to the CD flac version. But it's not hard to say here's the "CD-quality FLAC" version and here's "Hi-res FLAC" version.

Noob here, Played the NIN on PS3 on MP3 and it sounds awesome, wanna see if I can even tell the difference with the Hi-res 24/96 I also downloaded. I have a dvd burner on my pc, I can find the free trial DVD burner ... but here is where the various posts are leading to confusion. I should first find and use a program to convert to flac(Audacity?), and then use the free 5 DVD trial(DVD-Audiofile?) to burn the DVD(s) in "A" vs "V" format? Then I can put that DVD in my PS3 and play the Hi-res 24/96 just fine? Or do I have to connect the Onkyo DVD? I have an 1.3 HDMI connection to Onkyo TX-SR605 with my PS3 with the 2.30 system update. Anyone that can clarify this for me is awesome. Sorry , I'm barely keeping up :-)

Lugoves

Noob here, Played the NIN on PS3 on MP3 and it sounds awesome, wanna see if I can even tell the difference with the Hi-res 24/96 I also downloaded. I have a dvd burner on my pc, I can find the free trial DVD burner ... but here is where the various posts are leading to confusion. I should first find and use a program to convert to flac(Audacity?), and then use the free 5 DVD trial(DVD-Audiofile?) to burn the DVD(s) in "A" vs "V" format? Then I can put that DVD in my PS3 and play the Hi-res 24/96 just fine? Or do I have to connect the Onkyo DVD? I have an 1.3 HDMI connection to Onkyo TX-SR605 with my PS3 with the 2.30 system update. Anyone that can clarify this for me is awesome. Sorry , I'm barely keeping up :-)

Lugoves
Hello Lugoves,
I think we're all collectively catching up here, and welcome! :)
PS3 only supports DVD-V, so for simplicity's sake just try that. You need to use Audio DVD Creator, no converting to flac needed, just bun the WAVs.

Noob here, Played the NIN on PS3 on MP3 and it sounds awesome, wanna see if I can even tell the difference with the Hi-res 24/96 I also downloaded. I have a dvd burner on my pc, I can find the free trial DVD burner ... but here is where the various posts are leading to confusion. I should first find and use a program to convert to flac(Audacity?), and then use the free 5 DVD trial(DVD-Audiofile?) to burn the DVD(s) in "A" vs "V" format? Then I can put that DVD in my PS3 and play the Hi-res 24/96 just fine? Or do I have to connect the Onkyo DVD? I have an 1.3 HDMI connection to Onkyo TX-SR605 with my PS3 with the 2.30 system update. Anyone that can clarify this for me is awesome. Sorry , I'm barely keeping up :-)

Lugoves

Just do this :

Use Audio DVD Creator to make an audio DVD with the WAV files and you will be able to play it in 24/96 on ur regular DVD player and PS3.

http://www.audio-dvd-creator.com/index.htm

Features:

* Put several (about 5-6) Audio CDs on one DVD with perfect audio quality.
* Put thousands of audio files on one DVD with top audio quality.
* Create DVD menu automatically.
* Create up to 99 DVD titles.
* Burn the Audio DVD to DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW directly.
* Create the Audio DVD to hard disk files.
* Output format is DVD-Video compliant, so that it can be played by any DVD player.
* Rip Audio CD to WAV files, and import them to Audio DVD directly.
* Import 96kHz/24bits WAV files, and keep the superb quality.
* Import Windows Media Format(.wma, .wmv, .asf), Real Media(.rm), OGG, FLAC, AC3 and AVI files via DirectShow Filters.
* Preview shows an overview of your Audio DVD.
* Save/Load your project, and edit it anytime.
* Blazing fast speed, only need about 30 minutes to create a PCM format Audio DVD. For AC3 format, it may need several hours.
* Easy to use: the wizard will guide you step by step - very suitable for beginners!
* Create Audio CD.
* Import AC3 5.1ch or AC3 2ch files, and export them to Audio DVD without quality loss.
* Use Matrix Mixer to convert 2ch audio input to AC3 5.1ch output.

Info about audio dvd creator:

1.) Trial only supports 5 tracks...
2.) Must make each track a title if you wany to attach a picture (doesn't affect playback however).
3.) Not a lot of flexability creating the menus.

hope this helps

Hello Lugoves,
I think we're all collectively catching up here, and welcome! :)
PS3 only supports DVD-V, so for simplicity's sake just try that. You need to use Audio DVD Creator, no converting to flac needed, just bun the WAVs.

Thanks all, It's not Pretty (two seperate disks and I only used the album cover art for the title screen (lazy)) but it sounds great, I compared the MP3 to the Hi-res DVD and the treble is less tinny, and the Bass is much deeper...feels/sounds great. I just rec'd Ghosts in the Mail yesterday (Trent put it on Blu-ray as well) Great stuff, It's great to support artists/independent game developers etc. willing to get out from under the Studio/company structures. pseudo-unrelated topic, but I believe it's relevent to the Industry as a whole. Thanks again for everyone's help

Lugoves

I have tried DVD Audio Solo (v1.5) to convert the Slip wave files to DVD Audio. I have tried 3 times now and cannot get a DVD that is recognizied by my hd dvd player or my PS3.

Is there a trick to creating the DVD with this program? It seems pretty straight forward.

Any help would be appreciated.

I have tried DVD Audio Solo (v1.5) to convert the Slip wave files to DVD Audio. I have tried 3 times now and cannot get a DVD that is recognizied by my hd dvd player or my PS3.

Is there a trick to creating the DVD with this program? It seems pretty straight forward.

Any help would be appreciated.

I forgot to say that it shows up on the ps3 video under the audio_Ts but will not play. It thinks it is a data disk.

My PC won't recognize that anything has been burned to the DVD.

Thanks again.

I have tried DVD Audio Solo (v1.5) to convert the Slip wave files to DVD Audio. I have tried 3 times now and cannot get a DVD that is recognizied by my hd dvd player or my PS3.

Is there a trick to creating the DVD with this program? It seems pretty straight forward.

Any help would be appreciated.

If you are making DVD-Audio discs then you need a player that can play and recognize DVD-Audio discs. DVD-Audio is a very specific format of DVD that most DVD players can't recognize or play. It was meant to be a very high resolution music format, that could let you play music at extremely high bit-rates and in surround. Your PS3 definitely can't (because sony backed a competing hi-rez music format, known as SACD, so they will likely never make a product that plays DVD-A's) and unfortunately chances are your HD-DVD player cannot as well. You probably need to make a DVD-Video disc (which is a standard DVD) to play in either of those machines.

Info about audio dvd creator:

1.) Trial only supports 5 tracks...
2.) Must make each track a title if you wany to attach a picture (doesn't affect playback however).
3.) Not a lot of flexability creating the menus.

hope this helps

Info about audio dvd creator:

1.) Trial only supports 5 tracks... Well it take 5 min. to find a crack or a serial on the net.
2.) Must make each track a title if you wany to attach a picture (doesn't affect playback however). Are you so lasy!?!
3.) Not a lot of flexability creating the menus. Not fancy enough for you?

hope this helps your bitching.

Info about audio dvd creator:

1.) Trial only supports 5 tracks... Well it take 5 min. to find a crack or a serial on the net.
2.) Must make each track a title if you wany to attach a picture (doesn't affect playback however). Are you so lasy!?!
3.) Not a lot of flexability creating the menus. Not fancy enough for you?

hope this helps your bitching.

If you would have read my other post, I was praising this program. I was just pointing out some FACTS...

If you would have read my other post, I was praising this program. I was just pointing out some FACTS...

My apologies to you. :o

But you FACTS make it sound like a useless and crappy software to people that are new to it. :(

My apologies to you. :o

But you FACTS make it sound like a useless and crappy software to people that are new to it. :(

anything taken out of context will many times be misunderstood...


by the way i think these last two NIN releases completely rock...

Personally I'm glad Himey posted the drawbacks to the Audio DVD Creator. I thought I was gonna be able to make one dvd with all the songs on it.

I think I may just convert the .wav files to .flac and then try to burn them to a dvd with Nero.

For those of you using a PS3. The Free DVD creator shows up under "Video" in the XMB {Cross Media Bar} on the PS3 and plays wonderfully [albeit on two disks] which is of no significance to me. It 'says' it's DVD A on the creator menu screen, but from what I read it must be a 'video' disc. I also have the MP3 on the hard drive if I wanna shuffle the album with the Artwork, but the increased quality on the 96/24 source is awesome. I think you have to have your Audio output set to Bitrate vs PCM (I didn't try it the other way) I do this with all my blu-ray movies also, and though it warns "all audio might not play" I've read (on another forum) it's the only way to have the DTS HD or TRUE HD 5.1 or 7.1 DIRECTLY sent to the Tuner. My only pet peeve {2 cents} is the mention of obtaining the serial number/Key for DVD creator to circumvent the 5 track limitation by actually purchasing the product, I use to do it too {no glass houses here} but it's that sort of thinking that has hindered artists/programmers from making thing available online and counters artists such as Trent Reznor's efforts to get away from big Studio shenanigans. PS A friend of mine has been working hard on a Itunes project that creates playlists based on what you listen to, a little fuzzy logic. It's a free download and can be found following this link www .moodshuffle. com {sorry I'm not a spammer, but I haven't reached my 3 post min yet}

For all you 20/60/80GB PS3 owners out there: NIN's The Downward Spiral album is available as a high-res 5.1-channel SACD.

Check here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00066N8JS?ie=UTF8&tag=pc02-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00066N8JS).

I'm a little curious, just downloaded the 24/96 files from work. I have an digital optical cable going from my PC -> Denon 2307CI, can't I just play these from the computer and get the full 24/96 res? What program would I use to play them?

For all you 20/60/80GB PS3 owners out there: NIN's The Downward Spiral album is available as a high-res 5.1-channel SACD.

Check here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00066N8JS?ie=UTF8&tag=pc02-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00066N8JS).

Don't forget those of us with non-PS3 SACD players! (I've actually had it for sometime, and it's a great very well done mix, with incredibly high fidelity). It's also available as a DVD-A on a dual-disc I believe.

I'm a little curious, just downloaded the 24/96 files from work. I have an digital optical cable going from my PC -> Denon 2307CI, can't I just play these from the computer and get the full 24/96 res? What program would I use to play them?

Anyone know this? I haven't got a HT-connected PC as of yet and would like to know.

I'm a little curious, just downloaded the 24/96 files from work. I have an digital optical cable going from my PC -> Denon 2307CI, can't I just play these from the computer and get the full 24/96 res? What program would I use to play them?

I'm not entirely sure what program you'd use on a PC, though I believe iTunes can handle 24/96 wav's at least within iTunes (I don't think you can burn the or anything). I would imagine Windows Media Player could probably handle and I'm sure there are a myriad of other programs out there. I don't see any particular reason to think this wouldn't work, but... can't say for sure as I don't use Windows much except at work and occasionally at home when something comes up that needs Windows.

For all you 20/60/80GB PS3 owners out there: NIN's The Downward Spiral album is available as a high-res 5.1-channel SACD.

Check here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00066N8JS?ie=UTF8&tag=pc02-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00066N8JS).

Good info, but if not new and free, why in this thread?

For those wondering what app to use to play them, winamp seemed to work just fine.

iTunes on the mac plays them and will even convert them to Apple Lossless, and looking at the bit rate they appear to be 24/96 Apple Lossless, the bit rate is higher than a standard CD.

Out of curiosity sake, anyone know how to burn these as DVD-A within OSX, either Apple Software or 3rd party? I was able to burn them in Bootcamp Using DVD-Audio Solo, but I downloaded a Wilco concert that is 24/48 and it is too large for me to burn, not enough space for temporary files on hard drive.

I tried burning this in OSX and made 4 coasters before trying successfully in Windows.

Thanks.

For those wondering what app to use to play them, winamp seemed to work just fine.


So which soundcard (or motherboard) are you sending optical out...and to which reciever?

iTunes on the mac plays them and will even convert them to Apple Lossless, and looking at the bit rate they appear to be 24/96 Apple Lossless, the bit rate is higher than a standard CD.

Out of curiosity sake, anyone know how to burn these as DVD-A within OSX, either Apple Software or 3rd party? I was able to burn them in Bootcamp Using DVD-Audio Solo, but I downloaded a Wilco concert that is 24/48 and it is too large for me to burn, not enough space for temporary files on hard drive.

I tried burning this in OSX and made 4 coasters before trying successfully in Windows.

Thanks.

I'm still looking for some DVD-A authoring software for OSX, but one way to burn a 24/96 disc in OSX is with Toast.
You can read about how I did it here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13856147#post13856147), with some caveats, (ie I haven't really had a chance to really sit down and listen carefully/fully test it) it seems to have worked out.

As was pointed out to me in the other thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13873954&posted=1#post13873954) on this subject. Over at hydrogenaudio, they noticed some problems with the 24/96 files. This has apparently been brought to the attention of NIN and there are new 24/96 files available! Trent Reznor himself (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=63086&view=findpost&p=565179) (or at least someone purporting to be him) posted to let us know there are new files available, and people seem to have confirmed that they are in fact new and problem free! So all of you who grabbed the 24/96 files might want to go ahead head over to the site, get a new download token and re-download the 24/96 files, to get the FULL quality you should have before! (for more info on the problems you can go earlier in the hydrogen audio forum thread I linked to above).

what were the problems with the files? I thought the first ones sounded great. However the long download has just begun again. Decent album.

Good info, but if not new and free, why in this thread?

It may be neither new nor free but it's NIN music, high resolution and (as opposed to the new files) even multichannel. Surely people who like the new NIN music may be interested in it but may be unaware. I imagine the fact that the music's been made available in high-resolution to download for free has drawn attention from many people who previously may not have heard about Nine Inch Nails.

what were the problems with the files? I thought the first ones sounded great. However the long download has just begun again. Decent album.

I don't fully understand what the problems were, but it seemed to be an issue where they were really 16/96 files that had been up-sampled or something like that. Basically it seemed to come down to large portions of the data being empty. Apparently there was a mistake of some sort and now they've fixed it. Head over and read the thread at hydrogenaudio I linked to to get more info (as I recall the discovery and discussion of the problem starts on page 2 or 3).

Anybody tries to make own mch remix from sources, whiah are available for download too?

Anybody tries to make own mch remix from sources, whiah are available for download too?

No...but I downloaded someone else's mix. Plan to check it out this weekend (after I burn it to DVD-Audio).

Please post here about "results" - is it worth downloading or not:)

yeah. Think it's a decent album. Unfortunately Trent doesn't seem to be as creative with music in his last few albums to me though. The Fragile was the last great piece. With Teeth was pretty good but these last few that he's pounded out seem to be hurried especially in the vocal arrangements.

Just my opinion.

Just out of curiosity how long did it take you guys to download the album?

Just out of curiosity how long did it take you guys to download the album?
like, a couple of hours or something. not long.

No...but I downloaded someone else's mix. Plan to check it out this weekend (after I burn it to DVD-Audio).

A multi-channel mix incidentally? 5.1, I mean?

Please post here about "results" - is it worth downloading or not:)

Are you kidding?
I think this album builds to the end and the last 2 songs are the best. After about 5-6 spins, it keeps getting better...

but these last few that he's pounded out seem to be hurried especially in the vocal arrangements.

Just my opinion. Less vocals is good in this case otherwise it is rehashing old stuff. Very creative and thaughtful at all frequencies.

Are you kidding?
I think this album builds to the end and the last 2 songs are the best. After about 5-6 spins, it keeps getting better...

I asking mostly about "someone else's mix" - how is it regarding "5.1-channeling"?)

Are the quality of these basically equal to 2 channel SACD sound?

I don't know how well this answers the question, or if it's irrelevant, but I believe CD's are 320 kbps and I downloaded the NIN album at "apple lossless" which was 2nd from the highest quality settings they offered and several of the songs were over 1,000 kbps and many of the others were in the 500-700 range.

Getting back to the question about burning a playable disc within OSX, I found a solution, although probably not a practical one for alot of Mac users. If you have Compressor and DVD Studio (part of the Final Cut Studio program suite) you can use compressor to transcode the wav files to 96/24 aiff. Then you can import the aiffs and the album art into DVD studio and drag the tracks and corresponding album art for each song, add chapter markers and make yourself a DVD-V disc with 96/24 pcm stereo and pictures that plays just like a DVD-A...

i've used Scott Brown's DVD-Audiofile on Mac OS X 10.4 PPC to burn DVD-audio discs from 24-bit flac files (it can use WAV or flac files supposedly):

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/28674

very easy to use. Recommended if you use Mac. I haven't tried it myself on Mac OS 10.5 intel yet.

For all you 20/60/80GB PS3 owners out there: NIN's The Downward Spiral album is available as a high-res 5.1-channel SACD.

Check here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00066N8JS?ie=UTF8&tag=pc02-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00066N8JS).

Probably my favorite album of all time -the 5.1 is incredible!

Also, on echoingthesound.org, there is a guy who's been remixing most of NIN"s albums in 5.1. I just downloaded an ISO of The Slip -it's got full 5.1 mixes in addition to the regular 2ch mixes, with artwork and all -a very professionally done job.

i've used Scott Brown's DVD-Audiofile on Mac OS X 10.4 PPC to burn DVD-audio discs from 24-bit flac files (it can use WAV or flac files supposedly):

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/28674

very easy to use. Recommended if you use Mac. I haven't tried it myself on Mac OS 10.5 intel yet.

I tried this with both the FLAC and WAV files with no luck. It imports them fine, saying the DVD will be around 1.4gb. Then i create the ISO and it's done within 3-4 seconds and the ISO ends up being 36mb. I burned it just to see what would happen and it shows up like a dvd (in my computer) but once inside of DVD Player, it says it's an Unsupported Format...

So I ended up burning that downloaded ISO -i'll repost once I check it tonight.

I stumbled across this thread and figured I'd give it a try. Good stuff. Free Hi-Res NIN? Sweet. Downloaded the WAV files and a trial of DVD-Audio Solo.

Two things:
1) As soon as I finished installing DVD-Audio solo, Spyware Doctor popped up with 2 notifications about Trojans. I blocked them. Anyone else get this?

2) I went to burn the dvd and it says my trials are over. I thought you get 5 freebies?

I'm a little sketched out by DVD-Audio Solo. I downloaded it using the link in either this thread or the sister thread referenced.

For some reason I couldn't get any of the software tools to work except Audio DVD Maker 1.0. That worked so I have the 96/24 on DVD. Can't wait to give it a listen.

Spoke to soon. 48kHz sampling rate. Ugh!!

[...] on echoingthesound.org, there is a guy who's been remixing most of NIN"s albums in 5.1. I just downloaded an ISO of The Slip -it's got full 5.1 mixes in addition to the regular 2ch mixes, with artwork and all -a very professionally done job.

Interesting! Do you mean this thread (http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewtopic.php?t=35507) or am I overlooking something?

PS: to all people exchanging tips here on how to burn high-res audio discs, there's a guide now about how to create DSD discs here (http://www.ps3sacd.com/dsddiscguide.html).

What about 24/96 rips that are in FLAC? What will properly extract/decode the FLAC to a usable WAV? I've tried using the "decode" feature built into FLAC frontend and it does not work.

What about 24/96 rips that are in FLAC? What will properly extract/decode the FLAC to a usable WAV? I've tried using the "decode" feature built into FLAC frontend and it does not work.

The frontend worked for me if I remember correctly. The flac also plays great with Winamp and Kernel Streaming digital output.

The frontend worked for me if I remember correctly. The flac also plays great with Winamp and Kernel Streaming digital output.

It works when I'm decoding 16-bit. I've tried a couple of 24-bit and I'm getting this error message: "The FLAC stream may have been created with a more advanced encoder. Try metaflac --show-vender-tag- 01 - Storm The Gates of Hell.flac If the version number is greater than 1.1.4, this decoder is probably to decode the file."

The actual FLAC frontend I have installed is 1.1.4b.exe, not "1.7.1 etree edition"as it says in the "About" section of the app after it's installed.

I've tried Adobeman's DVD-A GUI and Audio DVD Creator. A-DVD-C creates an ISO file that is only about 5MB. Adobeman's won't even load the 24-bit FLACs.

It works when I'm decoding 16-bit. I've tried a couple of 24-bit and I'm getting this error message: "The FLAC stream may have been created with a more advanced encoder. Try metaflac --show-vender-tag- 01 - Storm The Gates of Hell.flac If the version number is greater than 1.1.4, this decoder is probably to decode the file."

The actual FLAC frontend I have installed is 1.1.4b.exe, not "1.7.1 etree edition"as it says in the "About" section of the app after it's installed.

I've tried Adobeman's DVD-A GUI and Audio DVD Creator. A-DVD-C creates an ISO file that is only about 5MB. Adobeman's won't even load the 24-bit FLACs.


Try downloading it again or reinstalling flac?

I just tested it and it decodes the 24bit version to wav fine. Then I used dvd audio creator to make the disc...good luck

What about 24/96 rips that are in FLAC? What will properly extract/decode the FLAC to a usable WAV? I've tried using the "decode" feature built into FLAC frontend and it does not work.

I have, on my computer, a handy little utility called SoundConverter that I purchased to convert FLAC files to iTunes-usable files. It's a shareware program that costs about $14 for a computer-specific license, and it'll convert just about any audio file to any other format, including cellphone ringtones. I just looked at it and it'll go from FLAC to WAV/WAVE if you want it to. Windows and Mac versions are available from this site:

http://www.dekorte.com/projects/shareware/SoundConverter

Can't say if it'll preserve 24/96 from the FLAC, but you can always give it a try, especially if your intention is to create a surround mix later on. Play with the settings, see what you get.

NIN are one of the smartest bands out there. Ever since they started this free download of there music they have made more money then every. Good on them

I'm still looking for some DVD-A authoring software for OSX, but one way to burn a 24/96 disc in OSX is with Toast.
You can read about how I did it here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13856147#post13856147), with some caveats, (ie I haven't really had a chance to really sit down and listen carefully/fully test it) it seems to have worked out.

Try Disc Welder Bronze. Not too expensive and it works well. It is what I used to burn this disc.

I finally downloaded Foobar. It works perfectly and retains the source's 24-bit format!

Easy CD-DA extractor can convert also, but it does not have the option to convert with the 24-bit format.

I'm running converted tracks through Adobeman right now...

NIN are one of the smartest bands out there. Ever since they started this free download of there music they have made more money then every. Good on them

Yes!
Radiohead is also way ahead of the curve on the new distribution of music. Heck, they were nominated for a grammy for an album that you could choose how much to pay for it.

I finally downloaded Foobar. It works perfectly and retains the source's 24-bit format!

Easy CD-DA extractor can convert also, but it does not have the option to convert with the 24-bit format.

I'm running converted tracks through Adobeman right now...

glad you got it going!
no doubt it was well worth the trouble...