...is up! Downloading now from the UK PSN.

Awesome :) Can't wait to try it out!

...is up! Downloading now from the UK PSN.

Nice, been looking forward to this one. I'm at the office at the moment so no Haze for me just yet. If you wouldn't mind, please give us a synopsis once you've put the demo through it's paces.

Err...just checked....not up for me

Err...just checked....not up for me

You saw the "UK," right?

We're getting it on Thursday, correct?

I'm looking forward to this one. I hope they made a great game with all the time they had.

You saw the "UK," right?

Shhh :)....no, I saw "Haze Demo" and ran to my PS3...shut up you :p

We're getting it on Thursday, correct?I'm pretty sure we get it today too - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1025514. Probably around 6pm EST as usual, though.

UK usually gets updates before us I think.

Cysquatch - let us know how it is! I want to know if I should rush home and download immediately :p:D

Downloading...damn, this is going to get in the way of gta :(

Installing..........Will fire it up after the showcase showdown. :D

Installing..........Will fire it up after the showcase showdown. :D

Get your priorities straight and get us some preliminary reviews! :D

Installing..........Will fire it up after the showcase showdown. :D

LOL...too funny.

Btw, I think I'll download the UK version too. Hopefully it has voice overs with british accents :)

Brandon

Shhh :)....no, I saw "Haze Demo" and ran to my PS3...shut up you :p


:D

Why aren't you people at work? Actually why am I at work? :confused:

Damn I hate having internet at work, too distracting (as if my daydreaming of GTA wasn't bad enough) :D

So the NA Haze demo is Thursday?

JD

game looks pretty good. Runs at 720p (can't upscale to 1080p ala COD4 or GTA4). Framerate is strong. Access to friends list a plus.

Demo lets you play through the level that's been shown countless times: Make your way through the jungle with your buddies, couple cutscenes, the ships clears a landing area, kill more baddies, evac.

At the beginning, you go through a quick tutorial on how to administer nectar (hold R2 until your meter fills up). You can hold up to 5 or 6 charges at a time. And if you run out, you can get close to a buddy and hit square to take some of their charges (transfer).

The effects of nectar increase not only your visual senses (baddies show up glowing, sniper scope zooms in twice the normal zoom) but also increases your health regen and strength for melee attacks. I found it necessary to nectar up constantly since I had a hard time seeing enemies without it.

L3 is crouch, R1 is fire, L1 throws grenades, circle swaps weapons, triangle picks up weapons off the ground. There's also an option to join or create an online co-op game (up to 4). The demo was very short but hey, its a demo. Will try the co-op later tonight if I can pull myself from GTA.

Not sure if this is a purchase or a rental yet. Demo is really too short to tell. I'll need to try co-op and wait to hear about the multi-player.

how do you download games and get the demos? I have a PSN login that is it and I just have played the games I have bought. I have not done anything with demos, can I get a step by step on how to download demos on the PS3?

how do you download games and get the demos? I have a PSN login that is it and I just have played the games I have bought. I have not done anything with demos, can I get a step by step on how to download demos on the PS3?

I believe, And correct me if I wrong here guys but at the moment Haze is only available via the UK PSN store - meaning that you must have a UK account (address based when you fist signed-up) in order to log into that regions store. Haze demo for NA will either be available later this evening or on Thursday - speculative of course.

Downloading demos is a snap here is a quick how-to:

1) Create an account within the region you live or within a region you'd like to download from (US, UK, Japan...etc..)

2) Login into account and then open the PSN Store.

3) Locate the demos from the list of accessible options, navigate to the desired demo and choose "download"

4) You can perform downloads in the "background" leaving you free to continue shopping, gaming or surfing as the case maybe

5) Once the download is complete, navigate to the demo and install - it will appear in the "games" portion on the XMB.

6) Enjoy

Hope this helps.

I believe, And correct me if I wrong here guys but at the moment Haze is only available via the UK PSN store - meaning that you must have a UK account (address based when you fist signed-up) in order to log into that regions store. Haze demo for NA will either be available later this evening or on Thursday - speculative of course.

Downloading demos is a snap here is a quick how-to:

1) Create an account within the region you live or within a region you'd like to download from (US, UK, Japan...etc..)

2) Login into account and then open the PSN Store.

3) Locate the demos from the list of accessible options, navigate to the desired demo and choose "download"

4) You can perform downloads in the "background" leaving you free to continue shopping, gaming or surfing as the case maybe

5) Once the download is complete, navigate to the demo and install - it will appear in the "games" portion on the XMB.

6) Enjoy

Hope this helps.

That pretty much sums it up. And yes, it looks like its only on the UK store at the moment.

how do you download games and get the demos? I have a PSN login that is it and I just have played the games I have bought. I have not done anything with demos, can I get a step by step on how to download demos on the PS3?


Cobra, you have got to be kidding me? You don't know how to download games off the PSN store? It's pretty basic. Click on downloads button, choose your game, click on download now, and wait forever.

Cobra, you have got to be kidding me? You don't know how to download games off the PSN store? It's pretty basic. Click on downloads button, choose your game, click on download now, and wait forever.

Unless you need a UK account as well, as this one does.

game looks pretty good. Runs at 720p (can't upscale to 1080p ala COD4 or GTA4). Framerate is strong. Access to friends list a plus.

Demo lets you play through the level that's been shown countless times: Make your way through the jungle with your buddies, couple cutscenes, the ships clears a landing area, kill more baddies, evac.

At the beginning, you go through a quick tutorial on how to administer nectar (hold R2 until your meter fills up). You can hold up to 5 or 6 charges at a time. And if you run out, you can get close to a buddy and hit square to take some of their charges (transfer).

The effects of nectar increase not only your visual senses (baddies show up glowing, sniper scope zooms in twice the normal zoom) but also increases your health regen and strength for melee attacks. I found it necessary to nectar up constantly since I had a hard time seeing enemies without it.

L3 is crouch, R1 is fire, L1 throws grenades, circle swaps weapons, triangle picks up weapons off the ground. There's also an option to join or create an online co-op game (up to 4). The demo was very short but hey, its a demo. Will try the co-op later tonight if I can pull myself from GTA.

Not sure if this is a purchase or a rental yet. Demo is really too short to tell. I'll need to try co-op and wait to hear about the multi-player.Thanks for the impressions. I was hoping they'd throw in a multi-player map too.

The effects of nectar increase not only your visual senses (baddies show up glowing, sniper scope zooms in twice the normal zoom) but also increases your health regen and strength for melee attacks. I found it necessary to nectar up constantly since I had a hard time seeing enemies without it.


Did you get hit by a "nectar bomb" where you overdose on it's effects? I'm curious on how that plays out (i.e. gimmicky or immersive). Thanks for the rundown!

This is a 1024x576p no AA. Anything beyond that is scaling.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1157872&postcount=812

This is a 1024x576p no AA. Anything beyond that is scaling.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1157872&postcount=812

Yeah, that guy's credibility is impeccable. :rolleyes: Your post adds so much to the conversation....


I just played the demo. It looks pretty damn good. Christ--Is this math, or video games, people?

Yeah, that guy's credibility is impeccable. :rolleyes: Your post adds so much to the conversation....


I just played the demo. It looks pretty damn good. Christ--Is this math, or video games, people?


Oh really. You can refute his findings? this should be fun! start! Infact post on B3D if you really wanna entertain me.

Oh really. You can refute his findings? this should be fun! start! Infact post on B3D if you really wanna entertain me.

i think he was saying "who cares?!"

Oh really. You can refute his findings? this should be fun! start! Infact post on B3D if you really wanna entertain me.

Actually, I really just want you to go play your 360.

i think he was saying "who cares?!"

Pretty much.

RobertR1 posts in at least three forums under the same name pissing on the PS3. He is predictable like clockwork.

Actually, I really just want you to go play your 360.

Nah I think I'll play haze on my PS3 instead.

RobertR1 posts in at least three forums under the same name pissing on the PS3. He is predictable like clockwork.

I didn't know you're a fan!

Is this on the US PSN yet ?

Thanks ;) ,
- Jason

not yet afaik.

textures are quite poor in this game. but overall, it looks decent. it runs very smooth, though.

the gameplay itself is pretty good, so i think coop will be pretty fun.

This is a 1024x576p no AA. Anything beyond that is scaling.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1157872&postcount=812

It didn't stop COD4 from being a good game, so I think other things are more important right now. Besides, it's a demo. It's still possible the final game is different...it's happened in the past.

Brandon

I don't think Robert is bashing anything. Just giving some info.

Personally, I'm interested to know the actual render resolutions of games. Even though, they have no baring on enjoyment or actual quality of the game.

Online co-op is pretty cool. Played a couple matches with some guys I don't know. When your teammates get heavily injured you have to go up to them and revive them or they will die. I helped out my teammates a couple times, yet they let me die...LOL. Freaking awesome!

I am also liking how nectar works. I overdosed a couple times, it was pretty funny.LOL!

I think the story has potential, allthough it might be too early to tell for sure.

I wish the demo showed some of the vehicles. I really wanted to see how they worked gameplay wise.

why isn't this up for the USA yet?

^I gave up asking why and just got 3 other PSN accounts, UK, Japan and HK. I know its silly but....

why isn't this up for the USA yet?

Why? Because this update is in honor of a European Playstation Event. Therefore, there is a special update for those folks.

The US store will still be having its regular update on Thursday, like it almost always does. The US store gets tons of stuff before the Europeans, so I can't begrudge them for getting a few things of their own earlier.

I don't think Robert is bashing anything. Just giving some info.

Personally, I'm interested to know the actual render resolutions of games. Even though, they have no baring on enjoyment or actual quality of the game.

I think knowing the rendering resolution of games really goes a long way to cut the BS about "HD GAMING!" that was and continous to be fed to us by MS and Sony this generation.

Resources well spent on other area can lead to a better gaming experience than simply having resolution. CoD4 is a perfect example. Would I rather have 720p with FPS all over the map or keep the current 600P with 60fps constant. That 60fps while you may not actively notice is what provides for such good smooth gameplay that keeps you hooked.

Seeing how much these companies pushed "HD gaming" and associated resolution down our throats, I see no reason why we can't discuss it!

However there are some people on this side very very aggressive towards anyone that is critical of the PS3 so they're quick to jump. They are amusing more than anything.

Why? Because this update is in honor of a European Playstation Event. Therefore, there is a special update for those folks.

The US store will still be having its regular update on Thursday, like it almost always does. The US store gets tons of stuff before the Europeans, so I can't begrudge them for getting a few things of their own earlier.

heh, I think we should just be thankful that they dont decide to region lock the stores.

It didn't stop COD4 from being a good game, so I think other things are more important right now. Besides, it's a demo. It's still possible the final game is different...it's happened in the past.

Brandon

Yes but it wasn't a month from release on those past games.

Dam, this is a slow as download..

Yes but it wasn't a month from release on those past games.

But we have no idea how long ago this build was put together. Word from one person is that this is the same stretch of gameplay that we've seen vids on for months now. And the timing for the release of demos is now consistently 7-21 days from release if it's released before the game. It's possible they've just waited to release the demo. After all, releasing the demo before GTAIV came out would be silly.

Brandon

Online co-op is pretty cool. Played a couple matches with some guys I don't know. When your teammates get heavily injured you have to go up to them and revive them or they will die. I helped out my teammates a couple times, yet they let me die...LOL. Freaking awesome!

I am also liking how nectar works. I overdosed a couple times, it was pretty funny.LOL!

I think the story has potential, allthough it might be too early to tell for sure.

I wish the demo showed some of the vehicles. I really wanted to see how they worked gameplay wise.

What happened when you overdosed? My son is plugging away at GTA so I can't do it myself.

too bad it doesnt give you a chance to play as the rebels. I think their abilities are the more unconventional.

I havent' played the demo yet, but to me it seems like chimera/humans in resistance. But in this case, it seems like "humans" have more tools to fight back with rather than just dying. lol

WHEW! that was one long download, almost 2 hours. I had to create a UK account first. Now it won't let me sign in to erase the account huh? I only played the demo for a minute, I'll have to give it a better look tomorrow. I downloaded the Project Siren video and that looks pretty damn cool.

Well I played through it once offline single player.

The good:
The gameplay feels good, weapons have a nice feel. Characters don't take a million shots to die. Basically used two types of rifles which really felt almost the same. Tried the pistol briefly, why is is so slow? Or am I doing something wrong.

Melee actually felt pretty good while on the nektar, like it had some weight to it. Didn't try without the nektar.

The Framerate is solid, never dipped even with a lot of guys on screen (not shocking though considering the static environment and average at best graphics). No screen tearing either.

Nektar graphical effect when overloading was kind of cool but would probabl get old rather quick. I could see it being fun in multiplayer.

The bad to not necessarily bad just not good:

Graphics = rather bland but good long draw distance at least. Vegetation is lifeless, textures aren't that great aside from one log type that seemed higher res than the rest of the stuff. Even the color palette wasn't that great for being a jungle. Maybe I've just been spoiled by Uncharted, Halo 3's first level, etc but this is nowhere close. Weapons look last gen and pretty generic as well.

Level design felt almost felt like I was playing the Jungle level on 007, yeah that linear pretty much. Though 007 has better layout. Enemies are harder to spot, almost requiring use of the nektar to lite them up. Not really a fan of playing with the characters lit up either, just seemed gimmicky. Really over all it was just rinse repeat, rinse repeat similar to Halo campaigns. A.I. didn't seem anything special at all though I did get melee'd once at least.

The dialog was pretty stupid IMO, though I did laugh at dialog from the guy in the plane at the end, just because it was so stupid it was funny. I think I can say the second half without spoiling it.. Nice pause for dramatic effect then "semi-pro" lol, that was the most memorable part :D

Overall the demo left me with little desire to play again. I will try off and online co-op just to give it a fair shot.. In general I think multiplayer could still be a lot of fun as I do like the gameplay.

demo is not bad. I pretty much agree with briankmonkey. Multiplayer is what will make or break the game as it doesn't offer anything unique that we haven't seen before.

Too bad they didn't let us play rebels to further test the asymetric combat.

demo is not bad. I pretty much agree with briankmonkey. Multiplayer is what will make or break the game as it doesn't offer anything unique that we haven't seen before.

Too bad they didn't let us play rebels to further test the asymetric combat.

Yeah, it isn't bad really, just isn't good either especially considering how many fps's are out there to choose from. Now something like Turok makes this game look great, lol. I think the level design is the biggest issue. Hopefully the rest of the game switches up quite a bit..

They should have done a different level with vehicles, etc as well as let us play a 16 player match.

edit: for the demo they really should have demo'd a level that lets you use more weapons like the rocket launch, throwing knives, etc.. People love rockets and knives, those could help sell the game ;)

I could post impressions but it really would not be anything not already said, I suppose I could make some absurd comparision to Halo's gameplay in order to take the ever popular shot at 360 games on this board but I think I will just state my lasting impression from the demo:

UBI execs have got to be PISSED with Free Radical right about now!

I could post impressions but it really would not be anything not already said, I suppose I could make some absurd comparision to Halo's gameplay in order to take the ever popular shot at 360 games on this board but I think I will just state my lasting impression from the demo:

UBI execs have got to be PISSED with Free Radical right about now!

I dont really understand why some people compare this game to halo. I think they're pretty different in terms of gameplay.

anyways, like brian mentioned, there are a lot worse fps games that have hit the market. It's unfortunate they couldn't have released this sometime last year when the game slate wasnt as full, and it might appeal to more people. The people that might have bought this game will probably wait for resistance 2 instead, as it promises a lot of similar features, and already has a pretty wide fanbase.

Sidenote: I can't believe retailers are still selling R:FOM for $60.

Oh really. You can refute his findings? this should be fun! start! Infact post on B3D if you really wanna entertain me.

1. As the person making the claim, the burden of proof is on Quaz51@B3D; not bassmonkeee.

2. It's a demo. Full version might be 720p, textures could be better, etc. I know I'd rather download a ~1GB demo and have slightly blurry textures than a 5GB demo of the same playtime.

3. While it might not make it as shiny, lower resolution won't make the game any less fun. ;)

1. As the person making the claim, the burden of proof is on Quaz51@B3D; not bassmonkeee.

2. It's a demo. Full version might be 720p, textures could be better, etc. I know I'd rather download a ~1GB demo and have slightly blurry textures than a 5GB demo of the same playtime.

3. While it might not make it as shiny, lower resolution won't make the game any less fun. ;)I haven't played the demo, but are you suggesting that companies release low-res demos? That doesn't seem like it would sell more copies (less, if anything) which is the whole point of a demo in the first place, right?

I haven't played the demo, but are you suggesting that companies release low-res demos? That doesn't seem like it would sell more copies (less, if anything) which is the whole point of a demo in the first place, right?

I'm suggesting that a demo - ostensiably designed to make me want to buy the full game - should try to pack the maximum amount of hooks into the smallest amount of download. Having super-high-res textures is nice, but why not put some of the more entertaining gameplay aspects there instead?

Bad demo: Iron Man
Nearly 1GB of downloaded data that gives you the ability to ... um, fly around, use repetitive shooting attacks, and hit Circle a lot. No suit-pimping, no multiple weapons, nothing. (Edit - Okay, you get to upgrade ONE suit piece.) After destroying X amounts of target Y (whoop-de-doo) you're presented with a large, ominous boss in a cutscene ... and the demo ends.

Good demo: Dark Sector
Under 500MB, gives you a good taste of the gunplay, melee, and glaive combat, including the brutally hilarious Aftertouch, capped off by a boss battle that you actually get to play and a liberal dash of storyline and foreshadowing. Stir it all together and you get a deliciously violent stew.

I haven't played the demo, but are you suggesting that companies release low-res demos? That doesn't seem like it would sell more copies (less, if anything) which is the whole point of a demo in the first place, right?

Yes. It's happened in the past and will likely continue to happen.

Brandon

1. As the person making the claim, the burden of proof is on Quaz51@B3D; not bassmonkeee.

huh? Quaz's info has been verified time and time again and never refuted by many developers on B3D. He's even posted his methods in that thread. Infact even bungie had to acknowledge his findings about Halo3. The burden is on bassmonkee or whoever claiming otherwise. That's how it works.

2. It's a demo. Full version might be 720p, textures could be better, etc. I know I'd rather download a ~1GB demo and have slightly blurry textures than a 5GB demo of the same playtime.

Color me impressed if that's the case but I really really doubt it.......

3. While it might not make it as shiny, lower resolution won't make the game any less fun. ;)

Graphics are a part of moving forward. It's infact a big selling point of this generation esp for the so called "HD consoles." I don't get why when a game has good graphics it's boosted like crazy but when it doesn't, esp. an exclusive, people try to dismiss it in favor of gameplay.

I don't care if the game is not HD res. I have played and enjoyed many a non-HD res game. The fact that many of the people on the internets bitching about this or GTA4 PS3's res still also go nuts over CoD4's graphics prove that HD res isn't everything.

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Graphics are a part of moving forward. It's infact a big selling point of this generation esp for the so called "HD consoles." I don't get why when a game has good graphics it's boosted like crazy but when it doesn't, esp. an exclusive, people try to dismiss it in favor of gameplay.

I agree, though I don't think Rez is everything but one of many factors. I think Halo 3/COD4 looks very good (campaign) despite not being rendered at HD resolution.

huh? Quaz's info has been verified time and time again and never refuted by many developers on B3D. He's even posted his methods in that thread. Infact even bungie had to acknowledge his findings about Halo3. The burden is on bassmonkee or whoever claiming otherwise. That's how it works.
The burden of proof always falls on the person making the claim. For example, if I make the statement "tofu causes brain damage" then it is up to me to support that claim; not up to you to disprove it. (I could postulate that my claim is supported by the idiotic drivel spewed by the more militant vegans and raw-fooders of the world, but I digress.)

Color me impressed if that's the case but I really really doubt it.......
We'll find out in a few weeks, won't we? And several times there have been improvements to a main game that weren't in the demo.

Graphics are a part of moving forward. It's infact a big selling point of this generation esp for the so called "HD consoles." I don't get why when a game has good graphics it's boosted like crazy but when it doesn't, esp. an exclusive, people try to dismiss it in favor of gameplay.
Exactly; it's a part of it. I'm not dismissing it entirely, but you do have to realize that even with the substantial increase in power provided by the current generation of computing hardware, tradeoffs and compromises still need to be made. I'm not saying games should be coded at 480p, but the few pixels shed from 720p to 576p weren't lost out of spiteful moustache-twisting villiany to "screw the consumer out of HD" but to balance the limited resources available.

The burden of proof always falls on the person making the claim. For example, if I make the statement "tofu causes brain damage" then it is up to me to support that claim; not up to you to disprove it. (I could postulate that my claim is supported by the idiotic drivel spewed by the more militant vegans and raw-fooders of the world, but I digress.)

He's support the claim by posting his methods in that thread. The fact that his methodolgy has been acknowledged by the likes on Bungie shows that it's accuracte. If you're going to refute, show the errors in his method. Saying "well i think it's wrong" doesn't cut it.


Exactly; it's a part of it. I'm not dismissing it entirely, but you do have to realize that even with the substantial increase in power provided by the current generation of computing hardware, tradeoffs and compromises still need to be made. I'm not saying games should be coded at 480p, but the few pixels shed from 720p to 576p weren't lost out of spiteful moustache-twisting villiany to "screw the consumer out of HD" but to balance the limited resources available.

Or lazy development. Maybe asking for a little Sony help would have gone a long way?

http://www.ripten.com/2008/04/07/haze-final-words-on-ps3-exclusivity/

"Even then, Sony’s technical wizards have been relied upon by some developers, especially before the arrival of improved Playstation 3 tools. So have Free Radical had any support from Sony’s techies?

"Well to be honest with you, we haven’t really needed that kind of tech support. I mean, they’re willing and able to provide it, but we just haven’t run into that problem."

RobertR1, hmm how many PS3 games have you written? Or were you a fly on the wall at Free Radical's offices when they said, "gee guys we can't get this game at 720p maybe we should ask Sony" and the bosses were like, "ask Sony? NEVER!".

I mean, who knows why the hell they made that decision to run the game at that level. I am pretty sure Bungie had full access to MS engineers while making Halo 3 but that game is sub-HD too.

RobertR1, hmm how many PS3 games have you written? Or were you a fly on the wall at Free Radical's offices when they said, "gee guys we can't get this game at 720p maybe we should ask Sony" and the bosses were like, "ask Sony? NEVER!".

I mean, who knows why the hell they made that decision to run the game at that level. I am pretty sure Bungie had full access to MS engineers while making Halo 3 but that game is sub-HD too.

The diff being Bungie asked for help. Rockstar asked for help! You really think Haze couldn't have reaped some benefit from Sony expertise?

RobertR1 still polluting the thread? Go away buddy, stop the trolling.

The diff being Bungie asked for help. Rockstar asked for help! You really think Haze couldn't have reaped some benefit from Sony expertise?

I don't know. Maybe Free Radical really is satisfied with the game. Maybe the guy getting interviewed thought "asking for help" meant something different than what they actually did (send them an email once in a while VS. an engineer flying there and working with them for a few weeks). Maybe they just didn't want to pay for a consultant. The point is, we weren't there.

RobertR1 still polluting the thread? Go away buddy, stop the trolling.

Or better yet.. Stop feeding the troll. I only read what he says when people qoute him...ignore is a wonderful thing.

Move on if you've made your point. No more thread crapping from here on...
And let's stop making assumptions.

Kyser

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5913/haze20080425015813749dn1.jpg


Screenshot dated 4/25/08. Notice the various differences in the HUD from the demo. Anyone else notice the lack of "vibration"?

Now I'm not claiming that the game will be drastically different from the demo (I doubt that actually). I'm just saying that the demo is probably the early build that we've all seen in videos again and again.

I'll check this one off my list. Pretty lame demo.

Hmmm, I think everyone here is being overly critical of Haze, maybe upset that they didn't get the game in nov or dec of 07 possibly. But I thought the game looked pretty good, almost a crisis kind of feel and look but with out the photo realism. Enemy seemed to roll out of the way and definitly like to move around some.

I see some potiential here, really if anything is wrong with the game its not the graphics but being to linear. Hopefully the full game has some more open areas where atleast you don't get as many choke points when going from a-b. But after seeing countless screen shots and then playing the demo I would have to say I was pretty impressed with the graphics and definitly so far the fps is definitly steady and up there with cod4.

Also like to say sometimes ppl get to carried away with the need for crazy textures or wonder if that is all they know to look for lol.

P.S And maybe the aiming needs some tightening up. :)

I see some potiential here, really if anything is wrong with the game its not the graphics but being to linear. Hopefully the full game has some more open areas where atleast you don't get as many choke points when going from a-b. But after seeing countless screen shots and then playing the demo I would have to say I was pretty impressed with the graphics and definitly so far the fps is definitly steady and up there with cod4.

Also like to say sometimes ppl get to carried away with the need for crazy textures or wonder if that is all they know to look for lol.

I was (like many I'd guess) very much looking forward to Haze back in Nov.-Dec. '07, hoping that this title would introduce some new things into the FPS genre, then the delays started; one after another and then COD4 was released....Haze just seemed to slip out of importance for me.

But now with the release only weeks away and the demo available, Haze has peaked my interest once again. I can definitely see some potential in the game play as well, I think playing as nectar injecting junky is nice twist. The graphics are good, nice frame rate...overall I'd say it appears that Haze will be a good, solid FPS with it's own uniqueness worth looking into...will it topple the king (COD4), who's to say but I think I'll be picking this one up on launch day.

Is this up for the US yet? What time of day do they typically update the store?

I think we can dl it today. I look forward to it.

after hearing some of the previous comments, and a recent weak video I wasn't expecting much, but this might not be too shabby. Definitely looking forward to renting at least and doing some co-op.

I like it. Combat is visceral, game runs smooth, looks to be a lot of action. The demo level is really short and doesn't really show off a whole lot IMO. I will be getting it at some point for sure.

Pretty darn impressive demo! Good clean graphics, easy controls...new type of FPS. This might just be a must-buy now.

I'm really surprised how good Haze turned out. I thought for sure this would be a dud.

free radical knows how to do multiplayer; that is the only reason to buy this game, imo. the biggest indicator that they haven't lost their way in terms of mp is the fact that they let you choose your server. i love that.


however, the graphics aren't that impressive for a game that's been delayed this much. for example: you shoot the ground, a plant, whatever and nothing happens. fail. (especially for a next gen game)

The graphics look pretty good IMHO. Don't know about the facial models, but everything else looks good.

Hell, the game runs at like 60fps with my Samsung 71F, so maybe that's why the graphics don't look bad. I did try it with my motion enhancers off, and the game looks like Halo. XD

One thing is I couldn't force 1080p on this game ,like I can some PS3 games.

It looks like it can only be 720p or 480p for the demo anyway.

mine finally finished downloading after 10 freaking hours!! :mad:

not sure why it took so long for me but i started the DL around 3 or 4 and by the time i was ready to go give it a spin(10:00p - after 30 rock) it weas only at 68% :confused:

anyway, i'm anxious to try it.

I was actually dissapointed in this demo. I am still getting the game. But the graphics really didn't look all that impressive. Reminded me of Turok. The voice acting for the main character was absolutely horrible, it sounded like he was just reading his lines, even with long pauses. I liked the weapons. I hated that you couldn't see anyone unless you had Nectar on all the time. I also didn't like the weapon pick up. You couldn't even see that there was a weapon on the ground, I just happened to walk over something by the downed ship and I could pick it up, nothing on the ground looked like a weapon.

Oh well, I will still buy it and play it non-stop, I guess I was just expecting more.

Just got the demo last night. It's terrible! The graphics are pretty bad - looks much, much worse than COD4 and runs at half the frame rate.

The voice acting is awful. The characters say things that are so juvenile - unnecessary swearing, one-liners, all very immature. And the whole nectar thing - awful. DO DRUGS MAN, DO THE DRUGS! DO IT NOW!!! Very immature and not needed. Bad message to the kids, even if it's rated M. The game gives you the ability to use the nectar pretty much constantly, so why even have it in there as an option?

Overall, just awful. Even the lack of vibration is annoying. I expected the game to be "hardcore" but it's really just juvenile FPS trash. I almost didn't mind it until the characters started talking.

mouse and keyboard supported?

^^^I can see a few of your issues, but I definitely would not categorize this demo as awful.

First, it's a FPS, set in the future with chemically enhanced merc soldiers....the nectar injecting is kinda the premise for which the entire game revolves, I mean it shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone that this aspect is so prevalent and so widely used. Second, this game was, is not or has never been intended for "kids" - if you don't want them playing then don't let them...buy them a Wii:).

As far as the graphics I kind of agree with you there; good but nowhere near the detail that I thought would have been present for such a delayed title. Of course that's not to say that Haze is awful, just less of the little things than I personally expected.

I thought the voice acting was adequate for the genre.

My biggest grip was the controls, I'm so use to the COD4 button layout that it took awhile to adjust to the new set used in Haze. Also, is it just me or do the rest of you feel disappointed that "sprinting" is not available? Again, it could just be me comparing COD4 to Haze but seemed at times that the game felt noticeably slow-moving, would have made a nice addition IMO.

Guess were all entitled to our opinions here, as for me I think the demo has sold me, I'll most likely be picking this one up on launch day.

I poested this on another thread, lower. But I just realize it is the right place to post it:
I guess I was expecting more from Haze. The nectar dose is pretty cool but imo, that is basically the most useful way to spot enemies from distance, The graphics not being that great, a littlte fuzzy, the nectar comes in handy. The overdose was great fun.
Not saying it is a bad game, not at all, Online co op is a great addition and so on,..but this one is not looking like it will take me away from COD4. I'll wait for a full review.

^^^I can see a few of your issues, but I definitely would not categorize this demo as awful.

First, it's a FPS, set in the future with chemically enhanced merc soldiers....the nectar injecting is kinda the premise for which the entire game revolves, I mean it shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone that this aspect is so prevalent and so widely used. Second, this game was, is not or has never been intended for "kids" - if you don't want them playing then don't let them...buy them a Wii:).

As far as the graphics I kind of agree with you there; good but nowhere near the detail that I thought would have been present for such a delayed title. Of course that's not to say that Haze is awful, just less of the little things than I personally expected.

I thought the voice acting was adequate for the genre.

My biggest grip was the controls, I'm so use to the COD4 button layout that it took awhile to adjust to the new set used in Haze. Also, is it just me or do the rest of you feel disappointed that "sprinting" is not available? Again, it could just be me comparing COD4 to Haze but seemed at times that the game felt noticeably slow-moving, would have made a nice addition IMO.

Guess were all entitled to our opinions here, as for me I think the demo has sold me, I'll most likely be picking this one up on launch day.

Lol, I kept pressing the L3 to sprint ala COD4! All I was doing is crouching = moving a lot slower :D

Why are the graphics fuzzy for some people? have you checked to see if it might be outputting 480p instead of 720p?

Mine looks sharp as hell, Graphics look pretty damn good,especialy the facial animations.

Why are the graphics fuzzy for some people? have you checked to see if it might be outputting 480p instead of 720p?

Mine looks sharp as hell, Graphics look pretty damn good,especialy the facial animations.

Definitely 720p on my set. I just think it is very static looking, probably just spoiled by Uncharted's jungles.

I was actually dissapointed in this demo. I am still getting the game. But the graphics really didn't look all that impressive. Reminded me of Turok. The voice acting for the main character was absolutely horrible, it sounded like he was just reading his lines, even with long pauses.

Among other negative things people are saying about this demo, I have to agree with you about the voice acting. It's like sub-porn quality...Which, given the proper genre, I don't usually have a problem with. :p But I don't just think the main character is horrific. The whole demo sucked arse in the acting department. Case in point, check out the cut-scene when you get to the severely injured pilot! If that doesn't rate a nomination for the worst voice-acting in a video game, I don't know what will. What was that pilot doing? Groaning? Stuttering? That's not even the worst part! I think after all his 2 minutes of "moaning" your guy actually asks him if he all right!! :D

Could also do without my team. Waaay less steroids needed. I know it's a nectar thing, but it's done so badly. Brucie from GTA4 would fit right in with these guys they're so over the top. (Think Warhawk group-hug pic...or maybe don't think about it. :p) They're so annoyingly high on themselves, I think it really makes the game feel lightweight and immature. I would much have preferred the nectar to make you darker and meaner. It feels like a Saturday morning cartoon the way they've done it.

Yeah, pretty disappointed with this demo. With the gameplay, more than anything else. It's a standard fps in an average-quality rendered world. Seen it all before. And a lot better looking than this. Felt the nectar was just a feeble attempt to make the gameplay seem a little more original. Which of course it doesn't. Taking a shot of nectar is pretty much exactly like playing as a Chimera (from RFoM) in rage mode. The nectar is more of a gimmick to sell the game, if anything. Like the glaive in Dark Sector. You can't just add one "new" item to a game, and think you're creating a whole new experience. Not if you're just gonna build an otherwise standard game around it.

Of course, it a bit much to ask a demo to represent an entire game, but I think this demo was just so lackluster (and embarrassing in places) that it's more than enough to make me want to take a pass on this one when it comes out.

I'm usually not so quick to judge a game. I was really excited for this game, but after playing the demo all went out the window. It just feels, stale, cheap, boring, etc etc. I couldnt even finish the demo because it just was not fun at all. It reminded me of when i played the turok demo, felt the same way.

I'm glad I'm not the only one! It felt cheap and childish, like it was made by a first-time developer! I wish someone could take the COD4 Ghille Suit mission and turn it into an entire game. That tension, that pace, those graphics! This feels like Timesplitters meets Fisher Price.

Anyway, even if the full game is much better than the demo, it's a little late for me now. Something so delayed and discussed - I was expecting a solid game, even if not greatness. I actually found nectar to be the most offensive thing I've ever seen in a game. You'd have to do drugs in real life to enjoy this game, I think.

The demo is dull. Maybe the final game will be better but I doubt it. Not even going to rent this one.

I liked this a little bit more than the turok demo. I think it has potential but with some AAA titles out in the coming months (MGS, Resistance) one really has to decide where to spend there gaming time. I for one don't have enough time to play everything that comes out, so I usually stick with a few blockbusters. There probably is a market for this caliber of FPS, so I'll predict it will do moderately well.

Ha...I remember when it was delayed, "We have delayed it to make the game better." I'm afraid to see how it used to be!

I fail to see how it's even half as good as Resistance, especially the graphics and animation.

...This feels like Timesplitters meets Fisher Price.

Great line! :p And exactly how I feel about the game, too.

Why are the graphics fuzzy for some people? have you checked to see if it might be outputting 480p instead of 720p?

Mine looks sharp as hell, Graphics look pretty damn good,especialy the facial animations.

Glad you like them, I don't. COD4 is the most photo realistic FPS I've seen.
Imo, Uncharted jungle is so much better too.

This is a 1024x576p no AA. Anything beyond that is scaling.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1157872&postcount=812

LOL i love that bs crap... HAHAH DUDE just let it rest homie!:rolleyes:

I'm surprised people are so against this game. I admit, I've lost my interest after so many delays, but I'm impressed by the demo.

Great graphics, smooth framerate, cool effects, nice sound, etc. It's at least as good as Resistance. It may not be jaw-dropping and super innovative, but it's at least a very polished, fairly average game (just like Resistance).

LOL i love that bs crap... HAHAH DUDE just let it rest homie!:rolleyes:

He did so why bring it back after 48 hours and Kyser saying to let it go?

Originally posted by confidenceman
I'm surprised people are so against this game.
same here, especially since it supports 4 player online co-op...

and I was pleasantly surprised that I could jump easily into a online co-op game in the demo. call me a pessimist, but after the Lost Planet demo screw up, I thought for sure that portion of the demo would not work smoothly...

same here, especially since it supports 4 player online co-op...

What is your point? 4 people can play this game and still come to the same conclusion some have come to playing it by themselves. Just because it supports 4 player online co-op doesn't guarantee a good experience. That didn't stop some from saying they didn't like Halo 3 and that has 4 player online experience too.

The demo was so generic and boring I deleted it upon completion.

It sucks. Period.

Originally posted by mboojigga
What is your point? 4 people can play this game and still come to the same conclusion some have come to playing it by themselves.
well its not like the game is a total turd...LOL! PS3 owners have been asking for 4 player online co-op campaign and this game gives it to them. I think many of the complaints are somewhat nit picking, so one could still have some great FPS fun with some online buddies.

well its not like the game is a total turd...LOL! PS3 owners have been asking for 4 player online co-op campaign and this game gives it to them. I think many of the complaints are somewhat nit picking, so one could still have some great FPS fun with some online buddies.

It isn't nit picking for me. I don't usually rent games and I might either rent or wait until down the road it is in a bargain bin to try out. Just the Nektar is nothing but a gimmick and nothing new to the genre. The fact that all it talks about is one man who has seen the light and defects from the company and now you play using the nektar and it turns into a regular FPS game at some point. It looks good just nothing exciting. Glad they released a demo though.

Based upon this demo it is not even in the same vicinity as RFOM , it's right up there (or should I say down there) with Turok IMO . What a let down :( .

--- Jason

It isn't nit picking for me. I don't usually rent games and I might either rent or wait until down the road it is in a bargain bin to try out. Just the Nektar is nothing but a gimmick and nothing new to the genre. The fact that all it talks about is one man who has seen the light and defects from the company and now you play using the nektar and it turns into a regular FPS game at some point. It looks good just nothing exciting. Glad they released a demo though.

they should have showed the rebel combat so people could see how different it is (or isnt). The nectar is similar to the chimera rage in resistance.

But the rebel combat might feature more interesting game play. No advanced zoom, weapon steal, nectar bombs, play dead, booby traps, gunfire evasion, comrade revival, knife throwing.

Based upon this demo it is not even in the same vicinity as RFOM , it's right up there (or should I say down there) with Turok IMO . What a let down :( .

--- Jason

The turok demo was terrible. IMO this demo is a lot better.

they should have showed the rebel combat so people could see how different it is (or isnt). The nectar is similar to the chimera rage in resistance.

But the rebel combat might feature more interesting game play. No advanced zoom, weapon steal, nectar bombs, play dead, booby traps, gunfire evasion, comrade revival, knife throwing.

Nothing new that I haven't seen in other games just Nectar being the angle.

^^

Not too many online console games that feature asymetric combat though. For the ps3, resistance is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. In resistance, humans dont have very many advantages over the chimera either.

The last asymetric fps game I played before resistance was counterstrike, which was only asymetric in the variety of weapons available at the start.

^^

Not too many online console games that feature asymetric combat though. For the ps3, resistance is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. In resistance, humans dont have very many advantages over the chimera either.

The last asymetric fps game I played before resistance was counterstrike, which was only asymetric in the variety of weapons available at the start.

I didn't buy R-FOM because that demo didn't excite me to go out and buy the game either. If the gimick, story and gameplay don't excite me color me unimpressed. During all those videos, listening to the drunk developer talk about the game for 20 minutes showing us the very same demo that we just played then and constantly hearing about the Nectar, I don't see any surprise that will come up with this game. I will wait on the reviews for that. So far the demo doesn't impress.

^^

Not too many online console games that feature asymetric combat though. For the ps3, resistance is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. In resistance, humans dont have very many advantages over the chimera either.

The last asymetric fps game I played before resistance was counterstrike, which was only asymetric in the variety of weapons available at the start.

Yep very few games are asymetrical, the biggest one to me that first pulled it off toe perfection was Starcraft, another one that that's very good is natural selection

I'd be willing to buy this game for multiplayer alone if it's interesting and balanced

Just another cookie cutter shooter

This game looks 480p... Has anyone here ever seen a game with that low a res this gen?

Apparently this is the most polarizing demo ever released. :|

Brandon

This game looks 480p... Has anyone here ever seen a game with that low a res this gen?

GTA 4?

Anyone know if two people can play co-op campaign on the same PS3 (ala Resistence)?

GTA 4?

Upgrade your display to an HDTV instead of an EDTV then :D.

^^Yea, you can do it in the demo as well. Just hit start on the second controller in the campaign menu and it will go to split-screen.

Hmm, dang I wonder what games yall play? CoD4 photo realistic? Haze running at 480P? It looks fuzzy? Man I would have to say I disagree with all of these, and all of which made me laugh especially cod4 being photo realistic. Definition of photo realistic is "Crisis" not cod4. But I'm just going to say the demo was alot better than I would have ever thought, especially after hearing everyones moanes and being p.o'd with the delays of the game I was leaning toward everyone else's conclusions.

But after playing the demo I was impressed with all. Except the aiming seemed a little difficult cause of the bounce in your steps and such and wished the team mates didn't wait on me but made you feel more part of an over all battle would have been nice. But overall it was quite interesting. And I thought the graphics looked better than most.

Plus this is a DEMO like everyone else has said this looked like some of the same stuff we've seen along time ago so I'll give it the benefit of being a old build but still very polished looking.

Finally played some online 4 player co-op. I actually had a lot more fun playing than when I my first play through offline by myself, similar to Gears where it is just much more enjoyable co-op. It was kind of funny watching two of the guys I was playing with overdose and blast all over the place. I got killed by my team mate as well, but he revived me. Didn't notice any lag as well so that's encouraging. Well now I'm back to being interested in the game again.

I played some co-op games and it was better than trudging through the single player but after a few minutes I realized thats because co-op in general is fun. The game was still sub par. I have Haze as my only game in the Gamefly Q now and I will send back what we have monday and hopefully I can get Haze shipped out on the release date. If not I will wait for hands on from gamers not paid sites and hope the demo level is not the pinnacle of Haze. From the demo though I just don't see it being worth $60 with the competiton thats out there right now.

I want to see how the reviews for the game turn out before buying.

GTA 4?

Good point...but you shouldn't poke at the holy grail of gaming. You will get death wishes by PM :eek:

I want to see how the reviews for the game turn out before buying.

Same here.

Brandon

I played some co-op games and it was better than trudging through the single player but after a few minutes I realized thats because co-op in general is fun.

Those were my thoughts on Halo 3. At least Haze has a more interesting (realistic) plot and I like realistic weapons (not purple and green sci-fi guns) and not fighting aliens for once.

I still think this will be an excellent co-op shooter.

I was underwhelmed. The controls seemed floaty to me. COD4 allows me precision aiming where in the Haze demo I kept felt like I was missing my target all the time. The Nectar thing is cool, but got old after about 2 minutes. I couldn't even finish the demo level because the floaty controls, cheesy dialogue and confusing level design bothered me too much to care. You can see that the potential was there. Sadly it doesn't seem to have made it through.

Upgrade your display to an HDTV instead of an EDTV then :D.

I have a 1080P SXRD, but that has nothing to do with the low-res look of games like Haze and GTA 4.

I have a 1080P SXRD, but that has nothing to do with the low-res look of games like Haze and GTA 4.

I have a 1080p SXRD and the 360 version. I guess there is your difference.

I have a 1080p SXRD and the 360 version. I guess there is your difference.

Nope, looks just as bad (or good, depending on your point of view).

Nope, looks just as bad (or good, depending on your point of view).

Okay :rolleyes:

Okay

Good, I'm glad you agree :)

More hype that substance. The demo was absolutely mediocre in every way.

not bad, not great. at leats it didn't lag. I think I'll wait for some reviews and user opinions.

More hype that substance. The demo was absolutely mediocre in every way.

Yeah, that was my exact thought. Haze may be the most generic shooter I play for the entirety of this gaming generation.

Shooters in general is such an oversaturated genre, a game's gotta be pretty special to stand out. It didn't help that I played the Haze demo after watching the Gears of War 2 gameplay trailer from Friday. :eek::eek::eek:

Tried this last night and I can not fathom why anyone would be excited about this game. How can anyone buy this game after playing the demo?!?!

I agree with most of the demo being mediocre, but I also think much of it is absolutely terrible. The voice acting, the roid raged marines, the wonky aiming, terrible animations, bland textures and laughable geometry.

Just do yourself a favor and walk up to a large tree in the demo. It looks like something from the N64.

They really did themselves a disservice by releasing this demo. Now, I wouldn't even consider renting this mess. What an embarrassment.

Nope, looks just as bad (or good, depending on your point of view).

I guess some people don't have very sensitive eyes or they let the GTA hype machine cloud their vision. The game looks great in many ways, but this doesn't change the fact that it is blurrier than most other games. I have read the same complaints about the 360 version, so I don't think it's isolated to the PS3.

Haze may be the most generic shooter I play for the entirety of this gaming generation.

You must not have played many shooters this generation.

Tried this last night and I can not fathom why anyone would be excited about this game.

I agree with most ... being mediocre, but I also think much of it is absolutely terrible. The ... wonky aiming, terrible animations, bland textures and laughable geometry.

Not picking at this comment, but I found it funny because I could apply this same quote to another game I'm currently playing.

I have read the same complaints about the 360 version, so I don't think it's isolated to the PS3.

It's not. That's just one person's attempt to justify their purchase decision.

Brandon

I agree with most ... being mediocre, but I also think much of it is absolutely terrible. The ... wonky aiming, terrible animations, bland textures and laughable geometry.

Not picking at this comment, but I found it funny because I could apply this same quote to another game I'm currently playing.

Brandon

Echochrome?? "Wonky aiming, terrible animation, bland textures and laughable geometry?" What other game could you possibly be talking about bpewis?

cuz surely when you could apply words like mediocre and absolutely terrible to such things about another game you play anyway,
there's no possible way you're talking about the much beloved Warhwak!! ;)

cuz surely when you could apply words like mediocre and absolutely terrible to such things about another game you play anyway,
there's no possible way you're talking about the much beloved Warhwak!! ;)

Not warhawk, although it does have bland textures :)

Brandon

I pulled myself away from GTA4 long enough to give it a try and was fairly impressed. Nothing wowed me but it looked good and played well. Considering the co-op possibilites it should be pretty fun. The voice acting is good and I like the fact they toned down Carpenter's southern accent. Sure the Mantel soldiers' dialog is cheesy but it's supposed to be. I also really liked the title screen music.

The voice acting is good

really? I thought that was the worst part, specifically the sequence with the downed pilot. It was embarrassingly bad.

really? I thought that was the worst part, specifically the sequence with the downed pilot. It was embarrassingly bad.
The voice acting reminded me a lot of halo. Actually the whole demo reminded a lot of halo with the gameplay of Crysis.

Overall I thought the demo was pretty good. Playing through the entire campaign in 4 player co-op should be a blast.

I hope the Haze development team reads this thread and cries. The world doesn't need any more of that alpha-male roid rage trash talkin' meathead crap. It's rated M FOR MATURE, but there's nothing mature about it.

Is this really the same team that made Goldeneye? You'd never know it.

The world doesn't need any more of that alpha-male roid rage trash talkin' meathead crap. It's rated M FOR MATURE, but there's nothing mature about it.


Do yourself a favor and don't play GTA:IV then. You can't handle Brucie....he's too ALPHA :p

really? I thought that was the worst part, specifically the sequence with the downed pilot. It was embarrassingly bad.Yeah, I didn't notice anything bad about it. I was talking about the quality of the acting, not the lines of dialog they're reading.

I hope the Haze development team reads this thread and cries. The world doesn't need any more of that alpha-male roid rage trash talkin' meathead crap. It's rated M FOR MATURE, but there's nothing mature about it.
Again, the mantel soldiers are supposed to be juiced up meatheads so it's meant to be sort of tongue-in-cheek I think. But I'll wait and see how the rest of the game is. If it's all just as cheesy and presented in a serious manner then I'd have to agree with you.

Yeah, I didn't notice anything bad about it. I was talking about the quality of the acting, not the lines of dialog they're reading.

Again, the mantel soldiers are supposed to be juiced up meatheads so it's meant to be sort of tongue-in-cheek I think. But I'll wait and see how the rest of the game is. If it's all just as cheesy and presented in a serious manner then I'd have to agree with you.

That's the impression I've had, too. The Mantel soldiers have the best and latest doodads/weapons, and the nectar makes everything seem like a video game to them by removing the dead bodies from their vision, and such. So, yeah--they are supposed to be meatheads. I think the story/experience will be different, and more serious from the opposition's POV.

I hope the Haze development team reads this thread and cries. The world doesn't need any more of that alpha-male roid rage trash talkin' meathead crap. It's rated M FOR MATURE, but there's nothing mature about it.

Is this really the same team that made Goldeneye? You'd never know it.

I actually found that type of dialogue to be pretty humerous. The 'roid rage (in this case nectar rage) troops are supposed to be over the top in that way.

I mentioned it a while back, but it's really too bad they didnt' get to show rebel gameplay.

The voice acting reminded me a lot of halo. Actually the whole demo reminded a lot of halo with the gameplay of Crysis.

Overall I thought the demo was pretty good. Playing through the entire campaign in 4 player co-op should be a blast.

i agree 100%

Can you play the resistance in the demo? I was more impressed with what the resistance soldiers could do than the mantel soldiers.

The demo was so generic and boring I deleted it upon completion.

It sucks. Period.

Couldn't have said it better myself. One point to add : The graphics suck on a 42" full hd lcd. 720p is 2005. I don't understand why developers can't scale their games up like CoD4 for example. That game looks way more sharp even if its only upscaled to 1080p.

Overall impression -> i will not buy it.

I too felt it looked and played exactly like Halo. I liked it, but how many more of these games are we going to see before they stop? I like them, but c'mon. FPS,FPS....

The demo left me with a sour taste in my mouth as well. I've been anticipating this game since before I even bought my PS3, and I'm already disappointed.

720p is 2005.

*shakes head* Boy are you going to be disappointed....

Couldn't have said it better myself. One point to add : The graphics suck on a 42" full hd lcd. 720p is 2005. I don't understand why developers can't scale their games up like CoD4 for example. That game looks way more sharp even if its only upscaled to 1080p.

Overall impression -> i will not buy it.

First off, the graphics are fine on a 46" 1080p LCD. So I doubt they suck on a 42". They're nothing special, but they're easily passable for a demo. Even if this were the final game it would be fine if the gameplay were stellar.

Second, the last half of your comment doesn't make sense. CoD4 is natively nearly the same resolution as the Haze demo. I can't remember specifics, but I believe CoD4 is confirmed to be native 640 or 680p. It's probably worse that you have the game upscale to 1080p instead of allowing your TV to do the scaling, but that's a longer discussion. Nevertheless the game still does not render natively at 1080p. The game looking more sharp has nothing to do with the upscaling. Your TV will do the upscaling even if the game doesn't, and will probably do a better job since the PS3 and game engine has to allocate resources to do the scaling when you force it to.

Brandon

*shakes head* Boy are you going to be disappointed....

No kiddin.. I just dont get it. 1080P R0xZeR:rolleyes: If a game doesnt scale from 720 to 1080p how on earth does that help or hurt the game play. From the sounds of these 1080P or nothing folks. They'd much rather have a great looking game that plays like crap..on nevermind...Im not gonna beat that dead horse anymore....

I thought the demo was a little better than the other FPS demos we've had lately, but.. nothing special.

It just shows how much Infinity Ward ABSOLUTELY NAILED COD4. It's making all other FPS's pale in comparison.

First off, the graphics are fine on a 46" 1080p LCD. So I doubt they suck on a 42". They're nothing special, but they're easily passable for a demo. Even if this were the final game it would be fine if the gameplay were stellar.

Sorry but the gfx suck. If you look at all the grass you walk through, its just full of jaggies. It doesn't look pretty or fine at all. I sit less than 2 meters in front of my LCD when playing and its very noticable. AA would help alot here but its not implemented.

There are games out there that support 1080p rendering, scaled or not and the difference is huge. Playing on anything else than your native display resolution, in my case 1080p, is already a ****** picture quality.

How about giving us a RTS like Command & Conquer instead of another FPS!

Playing on anything else than your native display resolution, in my case 1080p, is already a ****** picture quality.

Wow, then 99% of the games you play must look like crap! Very few games are native 1080P, so either you like the look of scaled games or like the look of very few games.

1080P: RR7, Marvel Alliance, Full Auto 2

720P: Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Burnout Paradise

Sub-720P: COD4, GTA4, Halo 3, MGS4

I'll pick the sub-1080P games myself.

ubisoft lets down again

Sorry but the gfx suck. If you look at all the grass you walk through, its just full of jaggies. It doesn't look pretty or fine at all. I sit less than 2 meters in front of my LCD when playing and its very noticable. AA would help alot here but its not implemented.

There are games out there that support 1080p rendering, scaled or not and the difference is huge. Playing on anything else than your native display resolution, in my case 1080p, is already a ****** picture quality.

Oh brother... :rolleyes:

Brandon

Oh brother... :rolleyes:

Brandon

+1000

Originally posted by bplewis24
I can't remember specifics, but I believe CoD4 is confirmed to be native 640 or 680p.
COD4 is rendered at 1024 x 600P on both 360 and PS3.

COD4 is rendered at 1024 x 600P on both 360 and PS3.

well, if it's not true 1080p then i'm demoting it to the dining room table for "coaster" duty... who would waste their time a 600p game?!

:D

HAZE got a good review from Famitsu magazine. 34/40

Basically anything above 30 or so is worth playing. They frequently give the more mediocre games scores in the 20s or lower.

I guess we'll have to see if the other review sites feel similarly.

i'll be picking it up next week... i enjoyed the co-op.

anyone else?

I just read the game requires a 4 gig install which has soured me greatly.

i'll be picking it up next week... i enjoyed the co-op.

anyone else?

Let me know what you think of it and maybe I'll jump in. I'll be down for a co-op campaign with you and kek if everybody's up for it. I'm tryin to cut back on the game purchases but if you guys think it's worth it I'll consider it.

I kinda need online co-op practice to whet my appetite for when Resistance 2 hits. That's gonna be insane.

Brandon

I kinda need online co-op practice to whet my appetite for when Resistance 2 hits. That's gonna be insane.

Brandon

You could look at GRAW 2 (16 player co-op missions, take THAT Resistance!), Rainbow Six (4 player) or Rinbow Six 2 (2 Player campaign, 4 Player Terrorist Hunt). There are several highly rated co-op games already available.

I was really looking forward to this game, and I'm pretty disappointed in the demo. :(

COD4 is rendered at 1024 x 600P on both 360 and PS3.

Cool. Nothing like having these nex gen systems play games that aren't technically HD.

I just read the game requires a 4 gig install which has soured me greatly.

**** that. i'm done with these game installs. after giving up 3.3 gigs of my 37, i'm done with it. why the **** is this needed, anyway? the 360 doesn't require mandatory installs and the games on that system look the same as ours. i don't get it.

I don't see any problems using a harddrive, its there available for gamedevs so why not use it to give us faster loading times. Its about the overall performance of the system ecosystem.

X0 DVD drive may give faster peak read times (but varies across disc sectors), bluray gives constant across all sectors but peak is a bit slower. Guaranteed harddrive flips the coin and games can get a lot faster streaming.

Only issue is whether this is a fully transparent hdd cache streaming or one-time cache installation process. This should not give any worries whether to buy or skip game titles.

i dont have any problem with a 4GB install. its a one time deal, so who cares!!

i personally LOVED the haze demo, and i cant wait to get it when it is released

**** that. i'm done with these game installs. after giving up 3.3 gigs of my 37, i'm done with it. why the **** is this needed, anyway? the 360 doesn't require mandatory installs and the games on that system look the same as ours. i don't get it.

I agree with you, the installs should be optional. Luckily I have a 160Gb HDD installed so I don't have to make decisions yet about which game data to delete.

You should be aware that the 360 doesn't have this "problem" because it's technically not possible on the console...not every 360 has a HDD.

Brandon

COD4 is rendered at 1024 x 600P on both 360 and PS3.

That was done to support 60 frames per second rendering. That seems like a good tradeoff to me. I'm not sure what the tradeoff was in Haze to render at an even lower resolution, because it sure isn't running at 60fps.

Free Radical Confirms Final Haze Resolution
by Patrick Steen on May 18, 2008



After reporting on the native rendering resolution of the Haze demo, some questioned my reasoning that the final game would sport the same resolution. This is despite there seldom being an example of a game’s resolution differing from its demo. In visiting Free Radical’s studio near Nottingham, creative lead Derek Littlewood confirmed our suspicions.

When I mentioned our story, Derek told me that the final game does indeed render at 1024by576, contrary to what is said by Ubisoft on the Playstation Blog; “From some other comments I read, I wanted to clarify that the game runs at 720p resolution.” Of course, Haze will output at 720p since the Playstation 3 can upscale, but this is not reflective of the game’s native resolution. Derek exclusively told us why they made the decision to render at a lower than HD resolution:

We prioritise a nice smooth framerate over a different res. Personally, I don’t really buy the whole thing. People did the same with Call of Duty, they did the same with Halo, and they say with those games ‘It’s not running at true HD!’ And it’s like, I don’t care. If the game looks good and it runs smoothly, those are the important things to me.

In asking whether the resolution was decided towards the end of development, Derek replied:

Yes. Well, as you develop an engine you’re aiming for a certain thing, but as all the pieces slot into place, you end up realising what sort of resolution you can run it at and that’s where we ended up with for Haze.

If you were to move forward with our next games, then as we optimise the engine we might be going, ‘Oh yeah, we’ll step things up and change things.’ But then different games we work on might have different requirements, so things may change there again. It’s all about how you use the resources you’ve got. But I don’t understand why people care whether there’s 20 pixels, 50 pixels, or 100 pixels more…





Naturally, I said that it’s not only a 100 pixel difference. 720p is over 300,000 pixels more than 576p:

Well, I always say, judge it [Haze] by the whole experience. Sit down with it and enjoy it. If people come away from that saying ‘Yeah, the resolution was a bit lower than I was expecting’ then I hope people wouldn’t, because it has other things it does really well.

Our review of Haze will be up next week, but before then you have plenty more frank words from Derek Littlewood and Rob Yescombe to look forward to here at Ripten. For even more Haze goodness, our friends at PS3Attitude are holding a Haze week, starting tomorrow.


http://www.ripten.com/2008/05/18/free-radical-confirms-final-haze-resolution/

Don't quite know if you guys saw this but this game got savaged at IGN - 4.5/10. Now, I don't take IGN too seriously but I am at the point where I'll probably just stick with the games I have and need to beat.

Don't quite know if you guys saw this but this game got savaged at IGN - 4.5/10. Now, I don't take IGN too seriously but I am at the point where I'll probably just stick with the games I have and need to beat.

I just read the review aswel. Ouch! I deleted the demo long ago.

How about giving us a RTS like Command & Conquer instead of another FPS!

I agree- some more PS3 RTS games would be great- I've been a long time PC Gamer and recently switched over to PS3 and consoles... and i think its great. I need to bring some of my other PC Gamer friends over and nothing would do that easier than a PS3 port of RED ALERT 2!!!

Problem with RTS on console is, you really need to utilize a keyboard to get down and dirty with the RTS... so you need additional periphials. Which isnt a problem, just once more thing to put next to my charger, guitars, wiimotes, drums, and other console accessories taking over my living room.

PS3 lets you use any USB or BT mouse and keyboard. Im looking forward to Civ Rev myself, though thats obviously not real time. No word yet about that game supporting m+k though.

played the demo, and thought it was pretty decent, but no 1080i support = no sale.

I don't know if anyone's listening, but IGN just gave Haze a review score of 4.5/10. They addressed everything I said about the game exactly. I think it deserves maybe 5.5, but no more than that.

But I just knew it was going to be crap, right from the demo. Sometimes you can just tell!

I just read the review aswel. Ouch! I deleted the demo long ago.

If anyone has the time, please feel free to cut and paste the article for us proxy-prisoners! :)

I don't know if anyone's listening, but IGN just gave Haze a review score of 4.5/10. They addressed everything I said about the game exactly. I think it deserves maybe 5.5, but no more than that.

But I just knew it was going to be crap, right from the demo. Sometimes you can just tell!

We'll see. I may rent it and I'm betting that my impressions after playing will be that if the last two letters of the name were different it would've received at least 4 points higher.

Brandon

We'll see. I may rent it and I'm betting that my impressions after playing will be that if the last two letters of the name were different it would've received at least 4 points higher.

Brandon
LOL :D

If anyone has the time, please feel free to cut and paste the article for us proxy-prisoners! :)

We could paste some highlights (or lowlights, in this case), but pasting the article in its entirety is against forum policy.

Suffice it to say that it isn't a glowing review :p

If anyone has the time, please feel free to cut and paste the article for us proxy-prisoners! :)

Here's the closing comments.

Closing Comments
Haze was touted as a great PS3 exclusive from a developer well versed in first-person shooter mechanics. While Free Radical does have a solid pedigree, Haze does not live up to the company's reputation thanks to a horrible plot, weak gameplay mechanics and visuals that are truly underwhelming. While playing with friends is enjoyable, not even those are enough to bring this lackluster title around.

IGN Ratings for Haze (PS3)

I was expecting maybe 7 overal or so at IGN based on the demo. That's pretty harsh.

i think they're probably pretty drained right now since dropping the elusive 10 on GTA... they must not have the energy to think clearly and objectively right now. ;)

We could paste some highlights (or lowlights, in this case), but pasting the article in its entirety is against forum policy.

Suffice it to say that it isn't a glowing review :p

Thanks for the heads up. It sounds like Im probably better off reading it at home anyway :(

I was expecting maybe 7 overal or so at IGN based on the demo. That's pretty harsh.

I was expecting a 7. something. But then again the review mentions issues we really did not get into much in the demo. Still hoping it ships form gamefly tomorrow. I try all the co-op titles!

Originally posted by Eurogamer
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=134065
Rebels can take advantage of that by feigning death. When taking fire, you simply tap R2 to throw yourself to the ground and stay perfectly still - and on the screen of the Mantel player who was shooting you, your "corpse" will disappear. It's an extremely powerful ability for the rebel side - although the game doesn't allow you to leap up and get straight back into the fray, as you'll be momentarily disoriented as you stand up, which should hopefully prevent rebels from simply bouncing up and down from feigned death constantly.

One rather unusual - and potentially annoying, although obviously essential - piece of balancing is that Mantel troopers can't hurt anyone they can't see - so you can't just shoot at the spot where you saw someone fall down just in case they weren't really dead. Without this, of course, the Rebel feign death ability would be near-useless - but it's still frustrating, as a Mantel soldier, to know that someone just feigned death (it's fairly obvious, since if they were really dead their weapon would have dropped) but be unable to do anything other than wait for them to get back up.

I'll go with the generic

what

here.

See the attached text for the full review. if you use notepad turn on word wrap and it looks fine :P. Here's the closing comments.

Thanks.

"so you can't just shoot at the spot where you saw someone fall down just in case they weren't really dead"

Haha, that's retarted.. and yes I read the reasoning..


edit: so basically if I'm playing online and I'm out gunned I'm going to play dead, scratch that I'm going into invisible invicible mode until back up arrives :D


Frank, I even played through Brute Force which is horrid single player but one of the rare games I could go 4 player co-op.

i didnt like the haze demo, but i still wouldnt rate it a 4.5...

I was expecting a 7. something. But then again the review mentions issues we really did not get into much in the demo. Still hoping it ships form gamefly tomorrow. I try all the co-op titles!

This may be the first game in history to actually be worse than the demo. The framerate and graphics actually get worse! :eek:

Brandon

I will not be buying the game. It must be pretty bad if IGN scored it similarly to the Conflict:Denied Ops game.

No one here mentioned the fact that these guys are running through the jungle in bright yellow uniforms? What a great camouflage idea! Nectar and bright yellow/black outfits.. are they supposed to be Honey Bees? Do they eat Cheerios as well?

This reminds me of those movies they promo the hell out of and you just know it's going to suck. (The Hulk for example). The thing is... people (suckers) go anyway.

I personally prefer realistic feel or all the way over to Cartoon like. (COD to Ratchet and Clank for example) . I personally don't go for the fantasy crap.

No one here mentioned the fact that these guys are running through the jungle in bright yellow uniforms? What a great camouflage idea! Nectar and bright yellow/black outfits.. are they supposed to be Honey Bees? Do they eat Cheerios as well?

This reminds me of those movies they promo the hell out of and you just know it's going to suck. (The Hulk for example). The thing is... people (suckers) go anyway.

I personally prefer realistic feel or all the way over to Cartoon like. (COD to Ratchet and Clank for example) . I personally don't go for the fantasy crap.

Even if they are all fantasy anyway?

Even if they are all fantasy anyway?

No COD is real man.. It's real and so is Ratchet and if you say otherwise I'll.. I'll.. I don't don't know what!... but they're REAL ! And as the now famous Aldo Nova says " Life is just a fantasy, can you live this fantasy life "

No COD is real man.. It's real and so is Ratchet and if you say otherwise I'll.. I'll.. I don't don't know what!... but they're REAL ! And as the now famous Aldo Nova says " Life is just a fantasy, can you live this fantasy life "


Sometimes your last sentence seems it does apply. :D

No COD is real man.. It's real and so is Ratchet and if you say otherwise I'll.. I'll.. I don't don't know what!... but they're REAL ! And as the now famous Aldo Nova says " Life is just a fantasy, can you live this fantasy life "

:eek: and the playing of these games are a Monkey on Your Back....:)

...another hit single by the said group :)

All of you old guys and your music :rolleyes:

Brandon

That being said, you are going to have to put up with some extremely weak visuals within Haze. There is a litany of problems with the game, from the odd warping of allied soldiers that blink into view suddenly at arbitrary checkpoints to poor texture work. Many of the environmental textures are generic and weak, and you'll frequently see seams or tearing constantly pop up within the game, which distracts from the action onscreen. The worse example of this has to be the visuals for the flamethrower, the Dragon de la Gente, which vomits a horrid cone of supposed flame that looks visually on par with what you'd find from the 386 PC days 15 years ago."

So how does a game that requires 4gig install and has a native resolution at 576p and has been delayed for months still result in these issues?

Haze is one of the biggest disappointments in this generation of video games, and will probably remain that way, but 4.5 might seem a little harsh. Anything under 6.0 is a game where you'd rather watch paint dry than play it.

I used to follow IGN's ratings, but after GTA and now this, they're ratings are unreliable.

So how does a game that requires 4gig install and has a native resolution at 576p and has been delayed for months still result in these issues?

Agreed. Something either doesn't add up or the devs for Haze are horribly lazy/incompetent. I mean, why the funk did they delay it for 6 months if it's still allegedly this bad?

I used to follow IGN's ratings, but after GTA and now this, they're ratings are unreliable.

Agree here as well. I typically used a combination of IGN, Gametrailers and 1up with IGN having the most credibility for me.

Brandon

Agreed. Something either doesn't add up or the devs for Haze are horribly lazy/incompetent. I mean, why the funk did they delay it for 6 months if it's still allegedly this bad?



Agree here as well. I typically used a combination of IGN, Gametrailers and 1up with IGN having the most credibility for me.

Brandon

From what I see, it is as if it didn't have the required 4gig install would the game even run without it or worse than what was stated by what IGN saw in their review?

I have to say I'm pretty skeptical of Time Splitter 4 being a great game like Timesplitters 2 now. Maybe it was a good thing they made Haze first.. Please don't f up TimeSplitters 4 PLEASE!!

http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/haze/review/haze/a-2008052011511817003/g-20060510152415722017

So Haze, as a PS3 exclusive, is far from a reason to own a PS3. But there is a certain charm to it. Under the rough exterior there’s an engine almost on par with the perfect Call of Duty 4 mechanics. It’s just a shame that the other ingredients that make Free Radical’s PS3 debut are poorly emphasized (Rebel skills), shallow (the story and lack of Nectar-fueled hours) or damn ugly (just about anything you look at). We don’t doubt that TimeSplitters 4 will be great - well, a tiny bit, but we’re optimistic Free Radical will bounce back - but we just hope that the developers can match their mastery of core FPS mechanics with visuals to match. Haze’s final twist is the cruelest of all: good things don’t always come to those who wait.

Free Radical has made duds before - well, maybe just one, that being Second Sight. Like what Haze appears to be, it was a really flawed game but with some really interesting mechanics put to it. It is kind of dispiriting that they only seem to be able to make goofy FPS sendups well, but they are now 0-2 on non-TS games...

Well, I ignored everything I read and heard and picked the game up. Man, what a mistake that was. I was hoping that perhaps the reviews are just to harsh or expected more and the game would be fun. Man was I wrong. The acting is so bad with such bad lines that I kept turning the volume down on my TV. While the weapons were cool, it suffered the same thing as the demo, hard to find the weapons, you can be right next to one and not see it. You HAVE to use nectar for everything, otherwise you will not see enemies, even sniping. Story was so stupiud and weak it was laughable. Thank God EB let me bring it back and get something else. Wow, what a big mistake that was.

Fry's has it on sale for $44.99, but I don't think it's even worth that!

I was hoping that perhaps the reviews are just to harsh or expected more and the game would be fun. Man was I wrong. The acting is so bad with such bad lines that I kept turning the volume down on my TV.

Check out this (http://www.psu.com/Video-for-first-9-minutes-of-Haze-News--a0003720-p0.php) vid for just how bad the acting/dialogue is.

Brandon

Well, I ignored everything I read and heard and picked the game up. Man, what a mistake that was. I was hoping that perhaps the reviews are just to harsh or expected more and the game would be fun. Man was I wrong. The acting is so bad with such bad lines that I kept turning the volume down on my TV. While the weapons were cool, it suffered the same thing as the demo, hard to find the weapons, you can be right next to one and not see it. You HAVE to use nectar for everything, otherwise you will not see enemies, even sniping. Story was so stupiud and weak it was laughable. Thank God EB let me bring it back and get something else. Wow, what a big mistake that was.

Your post just helped solidify my decision.....I'm afraid I'm going to have to take a pass on Haze.

I was of the same mind as you and was all set to pick-up this title and see for myself just how good or how bad it really was. I thought: "perhaps the reviewers are being overly critical, perhaps there's more value to Haze than people are giving it credit for"....well from what I've seen/played/read not this time, the reviews seems to be spot on. Man, how bad is this going to reflect on Free Radical, even with all of the delays, even with all the hype they were still unable to deliver a top-notch FPS. This one is going to haunt FR for a long time to come I think.

huge delays + a lackluster story + crappy voice talent + so-so texture quality = a $60 coaster

What is really sad is this could of been an incredible game. You can tell when you play it. Its a shame. Oh well.

Your post just helped solidify my decision.....I'm afraid I'm going to have to take a pass on Haze.

I was of the same mind as you and was all set to pick-up this title and see for myself just how good or how bad it really was. I thought: "perhaps the reviewers are being overly critical, perhaps there's more value to Haze than people are giving it credit for"....well from what I've seen/played/read not this time, the reviews seems to be spot on. Man, how bad is this going to reflect on Free Radical, even with all of the delays, even with all the hype they were still unable to deliver a top-notch FPS. This one is going to haunt FR for a long time to come I think.

huge delays + a lackluster story + crappy voice talent + so-so texture quality = a $60 coaster


All this after ensuring the title was officially exclusive and making the statement the reason was to give the best experience possible with the system.

Check out this (http://www.psu.com/Video-for-first-9-minutes-of-Haze-News--a0003720-p0.php) vid for just how bad the acting/dialogue is.

Brandon

It's so bad I couldn't even stand to sit through the whole 9 minutes! :p Thinking about having to endure the full game of that is traumatic. And what's with that frickin' lift?!?!? Did they have three Shetland ponies pulling on ropes to lift it up? Slowest lift e-v-e-r. The dialogue and the lift combined were pretty effective torture. Especially loved it when those two grunts bumped shoulders. The only thing that could save this game is if friendly fire was tolerated.

I highly doubt the elevators, or lifts as you say, are any worse than Mass Effect's.

I highly doubt the elevators, or lifts as you say, are any worse than Mass Effect's.

Between the dialog/lift of HAZE, I will take Mass Effect's FTW.

I highly doubt the elevators, or lifts as you say, are any worse than Mass Effect's.

Never played Mass Effect. I think what makes Haze's lift intolerable is that it's paired with the dialogue: The slower it goes, the more your teammates talk. So having said that, there couldn't be a lift fast enough! :p

Between the dialog/lift of HAZE, I will take Mass Effect's FTW.

the only reason mass effects elevators were tolerable was the dialogue and the interglatic news radio that played sometimes. and sometimes they just didn't speak.

Man this is just depressing. Haze removed from Q!

Man this is just depressing. Haze removed from Q!

I want to play through it but Blockbust doesn't get it for a couple more days to rent. I have a feeling I'm going to like it more than the 4.5 review as the gameplay felt good and they do talk about some moments of great level designs (certainly not the demo..).

So i order to get an idea on how bad/good this game is, is it better or worse than Time Shift?

So i order to get an idea on how bad/good this game is, is it better or worse than Time Shift?

I found Timeshift to be a very underrated title. Reviews were certainly kinder to Timeshift. I just put Haze back in. I really do want co-op to be enjoyable.

Sounds like the Marines in Halo games to me.

Its a shame people can not sue for being dragged along waiting for
a game and then it being a complete pile of sh_t. Its happening way
too often these days.

Free Radical should have just stuck to what many fans wanted.

Another Timesplitters.

Its a shame people can not sue for being dragged along waiting for
a game and then it being a complete pile of sh_t. Its happening way
too often these days.

The only ones that should be dissapointed for this game are the ones that made comments "my most anticipated game of 2007 opps 2008"

Some of us simply waited until the product arrived vs having high hopes.

I too remember the "Will haze be better then Crysis" threads.

I goofed around on the demo for a little while...I wasn't all that impressed. The whole drug thing to me seems gimmicky.

http://www.ripten.com/2008/04/07/haze-final-words-on-ps3-exclusivity/

After reading the interview from 7 Apr on this game and seeing what it is fully today. All I come up with is WTF happened?

I found Timeshift to be a very underrated title. Reviews were certainly kinder to Timeshift. I just put Haze back in. I really do want co-op to be enjoyable.

Agreed, Timeshift was somewhat underrated, this is why I asked the question. I am trying to give Haze every benifit of the doubt.

after ubisoft shafted the public with the ps3 version of rainbow 6 vegas 2, they deserve nothing less than for this game to flop

after ubisoft shafted the public with the ps3 version of rainbow 6 vegas 2, they deserve nothing less than for this game to flop


just curious, what was wrong with R6-2?

just curious, what was wrong with R6-2?

in my opinion it was overhyped, and then released as broken, buggy, lied about and never really fixed. For it to carry over all of the biggiest bugs from the first installment and in some cases have those bugs be worse (machine gun sound), ubisoft needs to really take a long look in the mirror

in my opinion it was overhyped, and then released as broken, buggy, lied about and never really fixed. For it to carry over all of the biggiest bugs from the first installment and in some cases have those bugs be worse (machine gun sound), ubisoft needs to really take a long look in the mirror

I agree. The multiplayer is a joke after getting spoiled to the smoothness and primarily glitch free game play of COD4. That machine gun glitch really started to where on me and having to tolerate that while watching teammates float over stairs, when I could even connect was just too much...

You guys actually got r6V2 online to work??? Better than me. I could Never get in a game. Good thing I rented it. I may rent Haze just for giggles. But after seeing the videos of in game footage on IGN. It may be something me and the kid can play co-op with. I more than likely will have to play this game while listening to some Wynton Marsalis via sealed closed can headphpones..lol Gawd was the voice acting bad in the video clips.

game mechanics were a lot choppier than cod4... rfom is smoother than haze....

Its a shame people can not sue for being dragged along waiting for
a game and then it being a complete pile of sh_t. Its happening way
too often these days.

+1. Lair part 2.

should this game get, "GAME OF THE YEAR FROM PSN?"

Yeah, that guy's credibility is impeccable. :rolleyes: Your post adds so much to the conversation....


I just played the demo. It looks pretty damn good. Christ--Is this math, or video games, people?

did you buy the game bassmonkee????:D