Well, well, well... From the guy that hated CD releases, that pushed for stereo DVD-A high res, comes this:
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/06/neil-youngs-entire-music-archive-to-be-released-on-blu-ray/

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7PU369D66DFPT3h6RDkR9s61AnQD90GAE0G0

I can only assume that at least some of these will be multichannel.

I've got the Havest DVD-A and it's spectacular... Anybody know if any other albums were specifically recorded for m/ch?

I can only think of a few I'd pick up, but I can sure think of a number of other artists who could release discs I'd pick up in a millisecond...

Hopefully this thread can grow as we get lots of news of other artists dedicating themselves to BD -audio- releases.

I wish/hope the BDA would/will finalize/publish Profile 3.0 before we start with audio only releases. Lets get them all standardized from the get go. Being Warner releases I would not be surprised if Warner didn't try to pass them off in 640Kbps DD.:eek:

Neil Young's entire music archive to be released on Blu-ray
Now that is f-in' sweet.

I almost drove to SF yesterday to see him speak about it.
I also have the Harvest DVD-A and am sorry to say that the multi-channel mix on that one was completely botched. My cousin (who is an audio equipment reviwer) and I listened and were baffled at how the mix put things on the wrong channels. I bought On The Beach and American Stars and Bars on DVD-A as well but he only did high resolution stereo on those.
Here's more on the Archives:

SAN FRANCISCO, CA JAVAONE CONFERENCE, May 6, 2008 Sun Microsystems, Inc. (NASDAQ: JAVA) today announced a collaboration with Neil Young and Reprise/Warner Bros. Records for the release of the upcoming Neil Young Archive series on Blu-ray Disc, powered by Java technology. Young will join Sun CEO and president Jonathan Schwartz and Rich Green, executive vice president for Software, on stage during the JavaOne conference opening keynote to announce this revolutionary new project and demonstrate some of the interactive features of his upcoming Blu-ray Disc box set. Visit: http://www.java.com or http://www.neilyoung.com for more information.

Neil Young's exciting project ties to this year's Conference theme of "Java + You" by highlighting the role Java technology plays in delivering dynamic content, sophisticated services and application mashups across consumer devices. Today, Java technology is the most widely adopted runtime in the world and is now powering compelling content and rich end-user experiences across all the "screens of your life" on billions of devices – from desktop browsers and computers (800,000) and mobile phones (more than 2 billion) to TVs, Blu-ray Disc players and other connected consumer devices.

More than 15 years in the making, the Neil Young Archive will be a complete biography of the artist's career in a timeline format including a chronology of songs released and unreleased. Through Blu-ray and Java technology, for the first time viewers will be able to navigate through Young's music, movies, videos, personal archives, memorabilia, photographs, letters, handwritten manuscripts and more while the high resolution 192/24 audio is playing, giving a chronological insight into the creative process and an opportunity to bear witness to the evolution of Neil Young's musical soul over the course of his life and work.

The Blu-ray format delivers both unsurpassed 192/24 audio quality and high definition video, capturing the quality of the original analog master recordings in the best digital format available today. The first Neil Young Archive release will be a 10 Blu-ray Disc set available this fall from Reprise/Warner Bros. Records, covering Young's career from 1963-1972.

"Previously, there was no way to browse archival material on a Disc and listen to a song in high resolution at the same time. The technology had not yet evolved to that capability," said Young. "It is important for me that the user experience the high resolution music along with the archival visual material. Previous technology required unacceptable quality compromises. I am glad we waited and got it right. And here is something really new, we will be able to add content to already released Blu-ray Disc archive volumes by downloading it, whether it is music, film or vintage recording sessions, recently found photographs, or other archival materials that were located after the release of that volume. Users will be able to download any of these archival materials and they will automatically be assigned to their place in the Chronology timeline."

"The Blu-ray format offers superior audio and video quality and, through Java technology, gives the viewer sophisticated ways of interacting with the content. Sun is thrilled to be working with Neil Young on what will surely be the most innovative release of any artist's material and the start of a new genre of content," said Schwartz. "Through Blu-ray and Java technology, the Neil Young Archive will create a more immersive experience for the viewer and a truly unique experience for his millions of fans around the world."

Java technology, which is the underlying platform for the new BD-Live capabilities of the Blu-ray format, enables interactive components as well as the ability to update all aspects of a Blu-ray Disc via BD-Live Internet connectivity. For the Neil Young Archive discs this could potentially include content updates such as music, film, adding new photos and providing tour information. It could also provide the ability to support dynamic fan community features such as message boards, concert reviews or even enable fans to use a BD-Live donation mechanism to help support the Bridge School (http://www.bridgeschool.org/). The Bridge School is a non-profit organization whose mission is to ensure that individuals with severe speech and physical impairments achieve full participation in their communities through the use of augmentative and alternative means of communication and assistive technology applications.

java.com will be featuring the work with Neil Young and the archive project in a special Java + Neil Young segment. Java + Neil Young will include links to Young's appearance at JavaOne, as well as links to more information about the upcoming Blu-ray Disc package.

...well, not sure about the "wrong" channels, I kinda like the Harvest mix in surround, extremely intimite, and certainly indicative of the other quad mixes I've got via DTS-CD and some very, very cool people with too much time (and sansui equipment!) on their hands...

Still, the stereo mix is included in 192khz, and the video extras are excellent. In short, it's a near definitive DVD-A. If his BD releases approach this quality then I'll be ecstatic.

Yes the Harvest DVD_A is definitely worth having, just a poor surround mix is all. The 24/192 stereo mix is there and sounds superb and I agree that the extras are great too. It's now a collectors item since DVD-A will be going away. Blu-ray will take over at full 24/192 resolution and the ability to scroll through extras while listening! To hear Neil Young himself talk about it....

NEIL YOUNG Speaks yesterday at Java One conference in San Francisco and presents a preview of the new Archives release. Scroll down to see the video of Neil Young!

http://ecoustics-cnet.com.com/8301-13953_3-9937142-80.html?part=ecoustics-cne

oh, my...thank you for the video link, the project far surpasses my expectations... that looks to be -amazing- quite frankly... Absolutely top notch, and hopefully the type of thing we can expect as record companies look for us to continue to buy re-releases... How can this be anything but the definitive Neil Young collection?

Amazing, and so exciting to think about the future where all major artists would put this kind of care and effort into their catalogue...

The Harvest MC mix seems to get it's share of detractors but I totally disagree.
People get weirded out because the drums aren't in the "center" and it doesn't in general present an audience mix.
What makes people think that the album was originally recorded that way.
Several of the songs were recorded in his barn and if you look at the back cover of the album, you'll see how the musicians were positioned, at least during that take.
Also, if you've looked at the video on the disc you'll see Eliot Mazer placing mics in the barn yard..
Neil Young cares deeply about how his recordings sound whether it's pristine crystal or broken glass and razor blades.
It would be near impossible for me to believe that the Harvest mix was not exactly how Neil wanted it to sound.

BTW, Neil recommended the PS3 as the best way to view his upcoming Archives set.
Good enough for me.

oh, my...thank you for the video link, the project far surpasses my expectations... that looks to be -amazing- quite frankly... Absolutely top notch, and hopefully the type of thing we can expect as record companies look for us to continue to buy re-releases... How can this be anything but the definitive Neil Young collection?

Amazing, and so exciting to think about the future where all major artists would put this kind of care and effort into their catalogue...

I agree! Although Neil Young isn't on my hit list (I do have and enjoy the Harvest DVD-A though), I am very keen to support this project. To think that 24/192 could actually be a music standard makes the hairs on my neck stand up. And to think, I thought all was lost with the demise of DVD-A and SACD with the mainstream record companies. BD really could be our saviour.

The amount of work that is put into this boggles the mind. It must be mine.

(I should add that my PS3 awaits ... trembling)

I'm amazed! I didn't think there was any way the industry would try MCH/hirez audio again (this time with BluRay) - seeing how poorly it has done in all prior attempts. Looks like I was wrong - and I couldn't be happier!

I am very, very excited.
:):):)

Two things
1) I dont see this being multichannel i.e. any more that 2.0 and some of the older material i dont enviasge being anything more that Mono. neil has not been that proficient in the multichannel arena, and it would be a mamoth task mixing all of the material in Multichannel.

2) some of the material as suggested is only going to use a fraction of the available capacity of a Blu ray disc, Its been suggested Masey hall and fillmore will appear in teh set on separate discs, This is material that has already been delivered at 96/24 stereo on DVDV already without any need for editing.

I dont fancy buying a 10 disc set when i already have two discs of it in very good sound and when the material could be put on propably 2 discs.

my question to Neil would be why Blu ray when what you have got would be better suited to DVD as has been shown already (Masey Hall) ?

Unless NY has been transferring analog tapes for a third or fourth time just recently I bet these on release are only a maximum 96/24 LPCM stereo.
If its any more than that then its upmixed.

to me this is not just about neil young and his music. it is hopefully a start to many musicians (ones you like and ones you don't) putting their stuff on hi rez audio. we know there is a place out there for it. we are living proof. i now have music on dvd-a and sacd that was not exactly my taste, but the sound is so good i like it anyway. now, maybe we will have a bigger selection from which to choose. someone go get plant and page to sign up for this!

Come on Oppo! I'll need that Blu-ray, SACD, DVD-AUDIO, DVD, HDCD palyer sooner rather than later. Heck, Neil is a techno weenie send him a Beta sample.

By the way I started this thread way back in November of 2006.

Will TrueHD or DTS HDMA Replace SACD, DVD-A and DualDisc?
Now that the movie studios have gotten behind the concept of High Definition Video, does anyone think that the HD Video audio formats will eventually replace our beloved SACD and DVD-Audio.


Best Regards,

my question to Neil would be why Blu ray when what you have got would be better suited to DVD as has been shown already (Masey Hall) ?

Unless NY has been transferring analog tapes for a third or fourth time just recently I bet these on release are only a maximum 96/24 LPCM stereo.
If its any more than that then its upmixed.

Well, as Neil says in the press conference video and is stated in a few of the press articles: the use of BD and the Java interactivity allows the listener to listen to all the music at 192/24, while browsing the archival photos and other material. DVD doesn't let you do that: you can listen and watch stills or video, but they are non-interactive, and 192/24 is DVD-A only, AFAIK.

Plus, Neil seemed to indicate he has a wealth of material - demos, outtakes, unfinished songs - to add to the archival material.

It all depends on the "value-added" content. It could be quite an amazing collection.

shinksma

I'm as excited as everyone else that we may once again recieve multichannel surround music on blu-ray. However, it will still face many of the same problems that doomed sacd and dvd-a:

1. A pain to back up your music
2. Not portable: you can't play it in the car (for most part) or play it from an mp3 type player on the go.
3. No mixed playlists. People like to compile all their music and playback multiple artists.

So this would mean the releases would me targeted to those who listen at home, which is a much smaller target than the ipod mp3 crowd. Any format that limits playback and the ability to make playlists is going to fail when it's so easy and convenient to do these things with crappy mp3 players.

I notice on Musictap that many are finding nothing but negative things to say about this release. While I agree that the ability to have your music portable and mixable is indeed an issue, I think there's space for something like this that would demand exploration and serious commitment to explore... Provided that the menu/nav structure remains responsive and intuitive, with a mix of nice features and a lack of annoyances, then it would fill a very nice void, and demand you to actually actively listen to the tracks. With the ability to use BD Live having compressed versions to DL to memory stick is hardly out of the real of possibility. Frankly, in the end, this is the type of music project that I think is not only worth paying for in the first place, but certainly worth paying a -premium- for.

It's also really great that it's Warner getting behind this, as there's a heck of a lot they could be doing with their decent track record of hi rez releases, many of which sadly have gone unreleased. We have here the lead DVD-A studio/label releasing on the principal SACD backer's new format... Could we start to see BD releases of the rest of the Dylan Catalogue that's yet to be released on SACD, while getting the same from the likes of the Graceland record?

I could go broke just thinking about it...

I think the significance of this is the possibility that all the classic rock that baby boomers like me never got to hear in lossless high rez may now finally be happening. Please, please, pretty please!:)

I'm just amazed that people care so much about "interactive" material, and being able to take any good MCh content and listen to it in MP3. :confused:

If the music/resolution thereof is good, I can sit and watch eyelid movies and get into it. :)
But I didn't grow up with video & lossy compression, so I guess that's just me showing my age.
Didn't grow up with or need an ipod, my shrink tells me the tunes my head are good enough. ;) I can definitely understand music in the car, since I'm on the road 3 hours a day, as many of us are.

I personally think the Harvest DVDA is good, if a little dry in parts.
Good for Neil for getting the ball rolling. He's pushed me a baby step toward getting a Blue Ray player......

I have a ps3 and I have a blue ray drive in my htpc. I find I am using my htpc more than the ps3 for blue ray because I can output via analog and utilize the new True HD & DTS HDMA formats, something my ps3 can't do unless I have HDMI inputs on my av amp. My av amp does not accept HDMI so I use an hdmi switcher and I have to output via optical for the ps3. On my htpc I have hdmi output for video and I have 7.1 analog outputs and optical for the movie soundtracks or my DVD A disc's. I think the industry is trying to push everyone to adopt HDMI for both video and audio and I understand that. But I think most people are not going to shell out for a whole new system just to get the new audio formats. It's like the new top end Denon BR player, it has everything but at what cost? The great thing with DVDA players were they hit a price point that made sense and anyone buying a dvd player almost always got DVD A playback. With BR its a whole different ballgame. There is a greater expense involved in order to achieve the better lossless sound. I think they need to get the cost down on some players with analog outs so people that don't have hdmi inputs can start enjoying the new BR format in all of its glory

Scooter, I upgraded my whole system to take advantage of the new codecs.

I think you should have purchased a different blu-ray player with 5.1 or 7.1 outs that decodes the new codecs -- or sell your PS3 for one -- that's my 2 cents.

Ok, a couple things need to be said here:
1. Anyone bitching about Neil Young or any other artist(NIN) releasing in Hi-Def video and\or Hi-Res music needs to have their head examined.
Just because some detail doesn't fit your exact preference with a pretty please and sugar on top is tough. Get over it. People are already bitching about the details when few if any have been revealed. Sure, I'd vastly prefer 24/96 MC mixes in addition to stereo but if that's not in the cards it not in the cards. Few artists have consistently released MC material because it's a huge amount of work and a money losing proposition.
This is a fantastic start and hopefully will get the ball accelerating. The death of popular hi-res releases was a great disappointment to at least a few of us.
Maybe just maybe there's another chance for this.
I'm not saying that everyone needs to love this and buy it but please give up the petty,unrealistic expectations that so often plague online forums.
IMO this is news to be ecstactic over.

2. A side note to something mentioned above. DVD-A capability was not available on most DVD players. That was one of the downfalls of DVD-A and SACD. It required a special player that obviously most people were not willing to shell-out for. Thats why Neil changed his releases to be compatible with existing DVD players.
As far as HDMI goes, people are willing to shell-out for hdmi capable gear. Onkyo and other CE companies are selling a boatload of hdmi AVRs.
One reason is because it's, reportedly, very good gear for the money.
Regular consumers like it as well for its simplicity.

Personally, you can pry my PS3 from my cold dead hands. The more I use this thing, the more it impresses me.

Unless NY has been transferring analog tapes for a third or fourth time just recently I bet these on release are only a maximum 96/24 LPCM stereo. If its any more than that then its upmixed.I was involved with some of Neil's press activity around this release. He said he records everything on analog and will continue to remaster it each time a new format appears that can improve on previous masters. This release will be 24/192 from the analog, not upmixed.

- Talk

I was involved with some of Neil's press activity around this release. He said he records everything on analog and will continue to remaster it each time a new format appears that can improve on previous masters. This release will be 24/192 from the analog, not upmixed.

- Talk

Nice...:D

This is fantastic news. Can't wait to buy this and other great music on Blu-ray disc. I still treasure my sacd collection, but am glad to have any hi-def format as opposed to CD.

actually as far as I know, Nine Inch Nails is the first to release a BD audio only disc. Read here (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/ht-software-high-definition/272252-htf-blu-ray-audio-review-nine-inch-nails-ghosts-i-iv.html#post3370183[/url).

Talk, I must admit to the highly nerdy thought that when I saw a Sun presentation I thought of you, and the loads I learned back in the heady days of the Insiders forum... What can I say, if Amir will always be the face of MSFT to me, you can be the Sun...

Does that sound too fey? Yeah, I guess... Still, any updates/details about the Java implementation of these discs would be excellent. While the demo was excellent, Neil admitted to it being canned and not running off BD hardware... Curious whether you've seen test discs running on non-PS3 hardware.

As for NIN getting there first, I'm hardly surprised, given their track record... We can all hope this is the start of something big.

I was involved with some of Neil's press activity around this release. He said he records everything on analog and will continue to remaster it each time a new format appears that can improve on previous masters. This release will be 24/192 from the analog, not upmixed.

- Talk

Thats not strictly true there are a number of albums which were to Neil Youngs regret (as i understand it) digital recordings late 80's early 90's.

i dont know how much and would not like to speculate but i am pretty sure teh shocking pinks album the Blue notes album, landing on water and Freedom were all digital.

In the video, Neil mentions the PS3. While it would be good for storing additional internet-based material, I don't think it would be the best player for this project (Does the PS3 do 24/192 over optical?) I personally cant wait til the Panasonic BD50 comes out, to get back to the Hi-rez audio i had with the Toshiba HD-DVD i palmed off on some poor sucker.

Thats not strictly true there are a number of albums which were to Neil Youngs regret (as i understand it) digital recordings late 80's early 90's.

i dont know how much and would not like to speculate but i am pretty sure teh shocking pinks album the Blue notes album, landing on water and Freedom were all digital.I presume he was referring to the recordings he has control over are all done on analog. He noted that most artists can't afford to do this, as he employs a whole staff just to maintain the analog equipment, and new tape is very difficult to come by, so they often reuse tape from older recordings, buy used tapes from NASA, etc.

- Talk

In the video, Neil mentions the PS3. While it would be good for storing additional internet-based material, I don't think it would be the best player for this project (Does the PS3 do 24/192 over optical?) I personally cant wait til the Panasonic BD50 comes out, to get back to the Hi-rez audio i had with the Toshiba HD-DVD i palmed off on some poor sucker.Optical is never going to give you the best audio quality, as it can't support bitstreaming of TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, nor can it support PCM. So regardless of the player model, you've got to use either analog or HDMI to hear the uncompressed sound formats.

talk, mind digging through my wordy post above to that bit about the java implementation on those discs - anything else you can provide in terms of details?

talk, mind digging through my wordy post above to that bit about the java implementation on those discs - anything else you can provide in terms of details?The implementation work began fairly recently, so I haven't seen any of it running "live", but the bulk of the work was in the design and preparation of the materials, all of which is done (for Volume I, anyway). Implementation of the title should go fairly smoothly, and is being handled by a very experienced and talented firm.

- Talk

November 3rd...

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/08/16/neil-youngs-archives-blu-ray-collection-gets-november-3rd-relea/

I'm not even sure I'll like much on the discs, but I just love the idea so much I'll probably have to fork out for it... sigh.

I was almost ready a year or so back to buy an Anthem D2 until I called their engineering department and found out they had no intention of adding the new high rez codecs. They were going to wait and see which ones took hold. Totally understandable. There was no player able to decode them either.

So if my favorite Niel Young album, "Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere" comes out in high rez on Blu-Ray what player or processor is available now that can take advantage of it?

I wasn't able to view the press conference. Are they planning on having both Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio on the disc?

I tend to choose the one with the highest bit rate first and then compare.

November 3rd...

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/08/16/neil-youngs-archives-blu-ray-collection-gets-november-3rd-relea/

I'm not even sure I'll like much on the discs, but I just love the idea so much I'll probably have to fork out for it... sigh.

Apparently the release date for this project has been pushed to 2009.

ah. meh. hrm.

:)

I am not a fan of Mr. Young, but I would love to see more music in hi-rez formats, and BD video/music in DD-TruHD would be great. Unfortunately, I am afraid that BD is going to become another short-lived Sony-bust format like BetaVision. Right now it is actually losing market share to SD DVD.

http://www.amazon.com/Neil-Young-Archives-1963-Blue-Ray/dp/B001B8PV4U/

Still no hint if there's -any- surround mixes....

Wow! That's a hefty price for each disc even if they are Blu-rays. And with Amazon's 30% discount, it's STILL a hefty price.

Maybe they'll break the box down into smaller bundles to make it more attractive to buyers.

they say it is on "10 Disc Blue-Ray". I wonder how official the listing is. It is nice to see a price. at 30 bucks a disc, it is a bit much at this point.

...there's apparently a good, new trailer for this on tomorrow's "Sugar Mountain" release...

And, again, no confirmation that there's -no- surround...So, early Quad mixes are still possible... maybe... (*cough*)

FWIW, I received Neil's Sugar Mountain CD\DVD today.
Inside the DVD side slip is an insert announcing:
COMING SOON!
NEIL YOUNG ARCHIVES VOL. 1
Available everywhere 2009.

...what did you think of the trailer? (mentioned in the post above yours...)

Showed it off again tonight to friends - I use is as showing how nuts it'll be, and how a psychotic completist like myself just has to support it... Sad, but true...:)

Iwas doing homework and could only listen to the CD on my upstairs 2-channel system.
I hope to be able to watch\listen to the DVD tonight or tomorrow.
I liked this disc.
Neil is uncharacteristically chatty but then again that was 40 years ago.
I've seen him live a lot and he very rarely engages in conversation although in 1992 I saw his Harvest Moon solo show twice and he related the backstory to Cowgirl in the Sand and Down by the River prior to playing them and it was spellbinding.
If you think Neil is good at story-telling in song, hearing him tell the full story without the song was something else.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Music_on_High-Def/Neil_Youngs_Archives_Gets_Date,_Specs/2323

$431.99 MSRP.

Oh, lordy....

Includes the Massey show (which I own) and the Filmore (which I do not), but no mention of the Sugar Mountain disc that I've owned now for a few weeks...

Still, hardly worrying about double dip, this thing is going to be monstrously nerdy...

Must...start...saving...

shark,
Thanks for the link.
I have Massey Hall and the Fillmore discs.
Personally if you don't have the Fillmore set already don't bother.
I know this sounds official but after 15+ years of hearing about this and knowing Neil's tendency to "fiddle", I'll believe it when I see it.

just sitting here watching a NY show he id for bbc in 1971, hell of a show, and the pq is great considering the source... I decided to dig into the Archives release date for the hell of it, and found this:

http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1401265

I say again... meh.

Then again, as per this:
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/12/04/neil-young-therell-never-be-another-crazy-horse

...it's really not a bad idea to have a "just play the damn music" mode, so I'm pleased to see that he's at least keeping on top of the development of the thing...

Would have loved to be in that meeting...

"Could you just, you know, listen to the music like a screensaver..."
"Uh, no Neil, Sorry..."
"What do you MEAN, no....It's simple, it should just work!"

"Uh...yeah...."

like my job most days, really...

Wow Archive delayed again, shocking.:rolleyes:
This has to be a purposeful thing and not due to technical reasons.
I believe Neil's on tour right in Australia or some other way-off place.
Shark I have that BBC show as well.
I used to see it at record shows on VHS, someone gave me a DVD boot of it a few years back.
Great show, right before Harvest was released I believe.

Blu-ray will take over at full 24/192 resolution and the ability to scroll through extras while listening! To hear Neil Young himself talk about it....


This can be done on DVDA already, although not with full motion video alongside 24/192 stereo.
However, browsing without interrupting the music is easy in DVDA.

This can be done on DVDA already, although not with full motion video alongside 24/192 stereo.
However, browsing without interrupting the music is easy in DVDA.


It's just not the same. A pop up menu for music discs is sweet and you can only do this with blu-ray...

So the Amazon date has come and gone. Was it released?

nope, delayed (see above)

Blu-ray became the default standard for HD many months ago, yet we have a mere 1 (dedicated) BD audio release, and only a handful of concert releases. All pretty esoteric stuff, IMO.

BD audio doesn't seem to have the steam of even DVD-A. Since there is no format war, and hardware is accessable/affordable (if not buggy as hell), does anyone care to speculate further as to why? I believe the portability argument is certainly a factor, but vinyl isn't portable, and it is coming back strong. Why isn't Sony supporting its own format from an audio perspective?

Why isn't Sony supporting its own format from an audio perspective?

Bwaaa haaaa haaa haaaaa haaaa!

Can anyone say SACD redux?

shinksma

Bwaaa haaaa haaa haaaaa haaaa!

Can anyone say SACD redux?

shinksma

Point taken re Sony's failure to support SACD software as well, but SACD was/is different. It required unique hardware support, and that hardware support never universally delivered the full potential of the medium. It was half-baked.

We can play SD DVD, BD Video, BD Audio and CD on any BD player. Therefore, all players are universal by default, not necessarily expensive, and not as perplexing to the average consumer who never understood DVD-A/SACD. Downstream hardware support to properly bass/time manage, EQ and otherwise process/convert the digital signal is supported like SACD never was.

The opportunity has never been better to demonstrate the full potential of a medium. Alas, it sure looks like this could end up another half-baked Sony endeavor. Aren't they already completely focused on on the next best thing since sliced bread, that being Blu-Spec CD?

for your amusement...:)

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/03/22/neil-youngs-blu-ray-archives-release-back-on-june-2nd-for-2/

I really like Young's work, but not to the tune of 3 bills.

I really like Young's work, but not to the tune of 3 bills.

My guess is that is retail price and street price will be closer to 150$. Still seems steep though...

for your amusement...:)

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/03/22/neil-youngs-blu-ray-archives-release-back-on-june-2nd-for-2/
Amusing is right.
I'll buy it, whenever they deign to release it.
At this point, why anyone bothers to announce a release date for this is beyond me.

for your amusement...:)

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/03/22/neil-youngs-blu-ray-archives-release-back-on-june-2nd-for-2/

The price drop mentioned in this article is interesting, $299 for the BD. Amazon still lists a retail price of $431.99 with a discounted price of $323.99. I've got a pre-order in at Amazon from a long time ago at $301, but I'm probably going to cancel it, as much as I want it. I've probably got at least a year or two to decide though. :rolleyes:

The Blue Ray set is listed on Amazon for $238.49 as of tonight.

oh this is getting harder and harder to resist...sigh.

still $315CDN on .ca

Hrm...so freakin' tempting...

oh this is getting harder and harder to resist...sigh.

still $315CDN on .ca

Hrm...so freakin' tempting...

"Resistance is futile, you WILL become one with the BORG"
:cool:

Broke down and ordered mine last night. I couldn't resist any longer myself, although I am a LONG time Neil Young fan and already have nearly everything he has released over the years. I have been reading about this project so long I just sort of knew I would break down when the time came.

hrm, price is back up...meh

might go fight for that lower price...:)

caved. b-day's on the 25th, so that's my excuse... (*cough*)

beat them down 'till they gave me the 238 price...;)

caved. b-day's on the 25th, so that's my excuse... (*cough*)

beat them down 'till they gave me the 238 price...;)

Guess I must be living right, didn't know I was getting a 'deal' although I had seen it at $279 and the price drop was actually the reason I broke down. As for living right I got my BR player last week for $399 (list $599) as the price was marked wrong. They sold it to me as marked and tore up the sign at the same time. That too convinced me it was OK to buy. Congratulations on your assimilation into the BORG with me. Can't wait to hear this thing, he was only working on it for about 10 years not counting the original effort.

So how is it..

Regardless of the price,
How does the first Rock/folk
Blu-Ray Audio sound ??


Bob

Based on the little bit I listened to today i'd say it sounds great.

So how is it..

Regardless of the price,
How does the first Rock/folk
Blu-Ray Audio sound ??


Bob

Don't get my copy until tomorrow. Can't wait to hear it.

Just got done listening for about an hour and a half to various cuts. This has to be the most pleasant experience I have ever had on my system. I am listening through a Pioneer 05FD BR Player to a pair of B&W 802D's with a pretty decent preamp and amp combination in between, and sonically I have never heard better. The sound has all of the air and dimension of an analog recording with all of the quiet and soft sounds you would expect from a CD. The high end is as clean and clear as anything I have heard, and yet the low end is still there and tight as ever. The soundstage is incredibly open and deep yet you still get that feeling of sitting in the studio listening as it is being recorded. In other words, it's all there.

Based upon first listen I applaud this 24/192 format (I have been a long time critic of CD/digital sound). I think they may have finally done digital right, or at least as good as we can ever expect. At this point I think the only limit for me is my hearing, and based upon measurements from a few years back that is still pretty damn good too. I just wish I could somehow magically transfer about a thousand other albums to this quality and format. I AM VERY IMPRESSED. HAT'S OFF TO NEIL!:cool:

Oh, yes, did I mention that as a long time Neil Young fan I love the music too. Hearing some CSN&Y and a "Music is Love" from David Crosby's album "If only I could remember my name" in this format is really something special. I think what people will hear from this format will depend largely upon the gear you send it through, but for those of you with reasonably high end equipment, you really owe it to yourself to get something in this format.

:):):):D

John,

Glad to hear you think so highly of the material.
If Neil Young can do this to material from 65-72
imagine the other possibilities with other music..

I did order the NY Blu-Ray set, looking forward
to receiving it next week...with my 802D/Mcintosh Set-up
I really think what N. Young did here is historical...

I really hope that other artists follow this and re-issue
their back catalogue's on Blu-Ray Audio,
Problem is hi-resolution audio, is a small market
But if people buy the NY set at 300.00 there may be hope.

Led Zep should do all there albums on Blu-Ray
certainly that would sell

Bob

what's cool about the article linked to above is his talk about selling the "platform", meaning the R&D to make for the 'archive'-engine could be employed more readily for other artists.

Sure, the Beatles, Led Zep, Stones, et. al. would be primo candidates, and would sell probably much better than even our dear Neil, but the most obvious (and arguably most musicologically relevant) would be Dylan. The remastering has been done, whether we got it on SACD or no, the boots are in great shape, it's a flagship for Sony's label... The issue, in the end, that no other artist seems as comitted to the tech as NY, but Dylan at least seems more inclined to revist his past.

But, yes, it'd be hard to not drool at the thought of mega sets from a wide range of supreme artists, from Miles to Beethoven, The Who to a collection like Anthology of American Folk Music. The possiblities are endless, the value added with =experiencing= the music (Can we get Paul Allen to do Jimi for us for cheap? :) ) a boon to any serious music fan.

Man, the very thought of this coming true seems a distant dream. Still, so did the archives when I heard of them a decade or so ago...

Simply put The N.Young Blu-Ray set
is the most in depth, advanced box set
to ever come out. The bar has been set.
Now will others follow..

We can only hope.

Simply put The N.Young Blu-Ray set
is the most in depth, advanced box set
to ever come out. The bar has been set.
Now will others follow..

We can only hope.

Please, let others follow, for example, "The Beatles", Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones etc. etc.

I have no doubt this is a time consuming expensive way to release music, so I suspect only some of the super groups would have the coinage to support the effort, but wouldn't it be great if this format became common enough to be available to even small indie groups.

BTW, I am always pretty slow at these things, would have made a lousy detective I guess, but does anyone know how to access the hidden tracks? I looked at the NY page and he basically says good luck and have fun. It's not fun when you can't find them. Any help or references would be appreciated.

Just in case anyone else that bought this is as slow as I am, I found my answer to my own question on the 'hidden tracks' on the archives discs. They are played by pushing the button on the various 'thumbtacks' in the timeline pages. I was only looking on the drawers for the playlist and hadn't yet looked in the timeline pages. Apparently this stuff is easy for video game players.

Hoping someone can answer a technical question for me. I bought the Neil Young archives box and I'm trying to figure out a way to get 24/192 resolution. Is this possible with an optical cable? My NAD amp can handle 24/192 but I'm not so sure my Philips Blu-Ray player can output at that resolution. I'm also not sure if an optical cable can handle 24/192. If I choose "bitstream" as my output on the Philips does it send the signal "as is" or does it downsample? Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

DB

Hello,
DB, your optical cable cannot carry 24/192. If you do not have an HDMI 1.2 or 1.3 processor, use the analog outs of your Blu Ray player.
Cheers,
AD

Hoping someone can answer a technical question for me. I bought the Neil Young archives box and I'm trying to figure out a way to get 24/192 resolution. Is this possible with an optical cable? My NAD amp can handle 24/192 but I'm not so sure my Philips Blu-Ray player can output at that resolution. I'm also not sure if an optical cable can handle 24/192. If I choose "bitstream" as my output on the Philips does it send the signal "as is" or does it downsample? Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

DB

The music/movie industry has determined that you cannot be trusted with a full rate digital output so there are only two ways to get the 24/192 signal to your pre-amp, receiver and amp. You must use either HDMI cable with its encoded signal or use the analog outputs on your player to your pre-amp. Check the specs on your analog outputs to see if they are listed as full resolution (if the sample rate is not specified they may be listed as 82KHz high end limit). Otherwise, if you have an HDMI input on your receiver use that. The optical and digital outputs are downrezzed as specified by the manufacturer in your manual. Most downrez to standard 44 KHz sample rate. I am not an expert on this for other than my own unit, so I hope this helps. I have to use analog ports on my pre-amp as it does not support HDMI.

jm in boulder,
A man after my own heart.
You have discovered digital-done-right.
The air, the steel, the wood, the skins it's all there and has been there for a while. It's call DVD-A, or MLP or Dolby TrueHD, all the same.
Neil has released several discs on DVD-A but later switched to a format compatible with DVD players for a wider audience and called it super saturated stereo.
Sadly, he has given up on hi-res surround but Archives is the next best thing.
If you are inclined to get a DVD-A capable player, you might be able to get a copy of David Crosby's IICORMN from Rhino.
A real stunner from start to end.
Also Graham Nash's Songs For Beginners imo, even better.
A couple days ago I found the Archives for $238.01 at Deep Discount.
After watching the American Masters show tonight, job insecurity or no, I may have to order.
I know you'll enjoy Archives as you have simply and succinctly stated what "good" sound is all about.
Some 40 years ago, myself and a few friends came to the conclusion that
Neil is unreal ;)

jm in boulder,
A man after my own heart.
You have discovered digital-done-right.
The air, the steel, the wood, the skins it's all there and has been there for a while. It's call DVD-A, or MLP or Dolby TrueHD, all the same.
Neil has released several discs on DVD-A but later switched to a format compatible with DVD players for a wider audience and called it super saturated stereo.
Sadly, he has given up on hi-res surround but Archives is the next best thing.
If you are inclined to get a DVD-A capable player, you might be able to get a copy of David Crosby's IICORMN from Rhino.
A real stunner from start to end.
Also Graham Nash's Songs For Beginners imo, even better.
A couple days ago I found the Archives for $238.01 at Deep Discount.
After watching the American Masters show tonight, job insecurity or no, I may have to order.
I know you'll enjoy Archives as you have simply and succinctly stated what "good" sound is all about.
Some 40 years ago, myself and a few friends came to the conclusion that
Neil is unreal ;)

I have a player which plays DVD-A and have Neil's earlier releases in High Rez too. I was not aware that IICORMN was out in that format, I will have to track it down. One of my 'road trips' as a college kid was a 'trip' from Colorado to visit friends in LA and up the coast on Highway One to San Fran to see some additional friends with IICORMN playing on the car stereo the entire time. It had just been released and we bought the cassette for the car. Now whenever I hear a song from that album I have 'visions' of that coastline on a hot summer day and the beauty of it all for a kid who grew up in the mountains of Colorado who had only been to the coast a few times and seen a few beaches in his life. I also have all of Graham Nash's solo stuff as well as Stills and Youngs on vinyl and have also picked up most of them on CD as well. They were a huge part of my listening in those days, and still seem exciting to hear even today.

As for the sound, I have been impressed with DVD-A recordings, but never like I am with this 24/192 format. I was stunned at how good even his old live recordings came to life in the high end, even with the tape hiss and noise from the Master Recording. The one disc from the Filmore East was simply incredible for it age. Better than most recordings made today. The DVD-A formats were getting close, but it still always sounded like really good digital to me instead of that spaciousness, open, clean high end sound I get from Analog. I must admit, this new NY recording is so good I really doubt I could tell the difference between digital and analog anymore (assuming the lack of tape hiss or vinyl noise is kept to a minimum). I REALLY HOPE this format catches on to other musical purists and some of the super groups. It would be amazing to be able to buy all of my future music done in this format. There are plenty of current bands I would really love to have record some live shows in this format (Umphrey's McGee comes to mind at once), and for us old 60's farts, I could get goose bumps thinking of all of those Grateful Dead Shows in Dick's Picks etc. being released again in this quality. YMMV.

I have a player which plays DVD-A and have Neil's earlier releases in High Rez too....I have been impressed with DVD-A recordings, but never like I am with this 24/192 format.

Super glad you're happy with the set, but, respectfully, the DVD-A releases =were= 24/192 lossless, same as what you're getting now. I've yet to see an a/b of the DVD-A of Harvest, for one, but it's got a stereo track that's spec'd as well as the Archives set. I'm actually disapointed, personally, that they didn't throw on the m/c mix that's already been released for good measure, certainly would have added cache to the set even more, and, hell, it was recorded for Quad from the beginning.

So, those that bought the set and love it (as well you should), Harvest DVD-A remains an absolute must own, fwiw.

ps. http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2889 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

May be a player issue, by I thought the earlier NY releases were 24/96, not 192.2. I know that is all I got out of my player. I now have the new BR player with the higher capabilty. At any rate my old player wasn't 24/192 audio out.

oh, I can't believe you made me get up and put in this disc... :)

Oppo 980>Integra 9.8 via HDMI, I'm showing 192khz.

Sounds purdy tho - one of the really nice things about my new room is that stereo stuff's a pleasure to listen to (finally have the distance between speakers, and size of room, to really have the music "sing")

We are agreed, I assume, that the m/c mix, while perhaps unconventional, is quite spectacular and should have been included. Hell, it should have been remixed to 7.1 :)

No HDMI audio capability here, that explains the difference. The High Rez Audio I have heard in the past was the 24/96 version.

fair enough...

Mine just showed up today.... It's GIANT...

I'm not sure how I missed it in the reviews, but the Sugar Mountain thing is in that "hidden" box, looks to be the exact disc that I've already got... So many things to dig into, but must...work....

fair enough...

Mine just showed up today.... It's GIANT...

I'm not sure how I missed it in the reviews, but the Sugar Mountain thing is in that "hidden" box, looks to be the exact disc that I've already got... So many things to dig into, but must...work....

I believe the Sugar Mountain disc is the same as the earlier release, but I never thought to look to see if it was 24/192 or 24/96. My earlier disc was the lower rez. Guess I will have to check when I get home too.

BTW, did you check out the book that comes with the set. What a great cover and what a nice addition. I suppose for 240 bills or more it had better be nice, but I will admit I felt Neil put out $240 worth of effort. As always I would have liked it to be cheaper. YMMV.

I think you and I are the only ones to get it from AZN at that price...

Just digging into disc one (caved)... Man, it's so terrific!

DL'ing MP3s on the other comp (THANK YOU for not being idiotic about this, Neil!), and noticed something amazing on the NY FAQ that had completely slipped me by:

http://www.neilyoungarchives.com/NYAFAQ.html



Q- Will Neil's 1968-1972 LPs be released on Blu-ray following NYA1's release? A- Yes and also as CD and vinyl. In addition they are now available at iTunes in the MP3 format. In each case, these are remastered from the original master tapes.
Oh....my......god..... This is going to get expensive...

I think you and I are the only ones to get it from AZN at that price...

Just digging into disc one (caved)... Man, it's so terrific!

DL'ing MP3s on the other comp (THANK YOU for not being idiotic about this, Neil!), and noticed something amazing on the NY FAQ that had completely slipped me by:

http://www.neilyoungarchives.com/NYAFAQ.html


Oh....my......god..... This is going to get expensive...

Oh....my......god..... This is going to get expensive...

We passed that stage "months" if not "years" ago when we started buying the equipment to play these discs. The fact that the discs (and vinyl etc. if you want them) are way too expensive is a small blip on the radar screen.
:D

Fortunately for the fans of Neil, that really won't be an issue.

Thanks for the posting the information from the Q&A.:(

yup, and it also means that they just might include the surround mix on Harvest on that dedicated release.

Any other unreleased Quad mixes that NY fans know about? Any rumblings about 5.1 mixes on the standalone discs?

yup, and it also means that they just might include the surround mix on Harvest on that dedicated release.

Any other unreleased Quad mixes that NY fans know about? Any rumblings about 5.1 mixes on the standalone discs?

I asked "The Archives Guy" who is involved in the Neil Young archives project about 5.1 on the upcoming Blu-Ray releases of the individual albums 'Neil Young', 'Everybody Knows This is Nowhere' ,'After the Gold Rush' and 'Harvest', and he said that yes, there would be 5.1.....however it was not clear if it would just be on 'Harvest' or on others as well.

Hey guys.
Just to be clear about Harvest, the 2 channel is 24/192, the surround is 24/96 the limit of MLP for 5.1.
The 2 channel DVD-A's release a few years ago are 24/172.
As far as the "unconventional" surround mix on Harvest, I was and am mystified why people were so up in arms about the mix.
The soundstage image wasn't "centered" or symmetric like usual.
If you look at the back of Harvest, they recorded many of the songs in Neil's barn just as pictured.
I think the mix of these songs on Harvest is spot on and present company excluded of course, anyone who doesn't trust Neil Young to get the sound right, doesn't know Neil Young from a pineapple.

Absolutely great news on the BRs of the studio albums.
I assumed that these would be included in Archive and was disappointed when they didn't show up on the track listings.
Is there anyway to nail down if these stand-alones will be in 5.1?
I'm guessing not since nothing else has been which is still a huge let down.

I'm jealous of you guys that have Archive right now.:cool:
I ordered from DD but they're back-ordered.
I may cancel and wait for their summer sale and hope the price holds until then.

amusing question for those international listeners... Digging now through disc one in its entirety before moving on (it's SO fun!), and I note that they use the contract "T.O." to refer to the city he moved to after Mort died...

I always thought only local people used that afectation, and that it's yet another of our attempts to be NYC. So, mildly off topic, any of y'all actually refer to Hogtown as, well, "T.O."?

Hrm. I could be smarmy and dickish and give you crap about the biggest sin, puting out "corrections" that are themselves wrong, but, yeah, I won't do that... :)

48/96/144/192kHz, right? or 44/88/176kHz? Those be normal sampling rates (and even 176 would be stretching it, and I've only seen 88 with DSD conversion).

172 ain't a multiple of either 44 or 48.

And, as above, I'm looking at a readout on my Integra, 192kHz.

Unless, of course, there's something going on that I'm completely oblivious to. Happy to be proven wrong and will revise my claims with supporting evidence. ;)





Hey guys.
Just to be clear about Harvest, the 2 channel is 24/192, the surround is 24/96 the limit of MLP for 5.1.
The 2 channel DVD-A's release a few years ago are 24/172.
As far as the "unconventional" surround mix on Harvest, I was and am mystified why people were so up in arms about the mix.
The soundstage image wasn't "centered" or symmetric like usual.
If you look at the back of Harvest, they recorded many of the songs in Neil's barn just as pictured.
I think the mix of these songs on Harvest is spot on and present company excluded of course, anyone who doesn't trust Neil Young to get the sound right, doesn't know Neil Young from a pineapple.

Absolutely great news on the BRs of the studio albums.
I assumed that these would be included in Archive and was disappointed when they didn't show up on the track listings.
Is there anyway to nail down if these stand-alones will be in 5.1?
I'm guessing not since nothing else has been which is still a huge let down.

I'm jealous of you guys that have Archive right now.:cool:
I ordered from DD but they're back-ordered.
I may cancel and wait for their summer sale and hope the price holds until then.

ps. AWESOME review! This guy really GETS it!!!

*cough*

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-10256034-47.html

oh oh... first major barf:

Disc 1 (of course, the second disc), go to Track one (Flying on the Ground...), click on the side thingy/easter egg, and try and play the video...

On my PS3 20gb, latest FW, it be a barfin'

****

Hrm, some amusing things here!

- the video for "Mr. Soul" died halfway through

- I stopped the BD, and restarted - I get a "This video cannot be playted. (80029940)" error on my ps3. Hitting PS button brings up a "do not enter"-like red circle with while line across it.

First (and so far only!) title to ever barf my PS3.

Cool!

FWIW, DVD-Audio Explorer shows 176400 Hz for Reactor's sample rate.

Well I've had the N.Young Blu-Ray set for
about a week, found it used for $210.00

The Good: at 24/192 this may sound as good as anything
I Own, including about 150 DVD-Audio/SACD's
It has a warm, natural sound, plenty of open
soundstage with a non-fatiguing analog sound.
I really didn't think this was possible on recordings
from that late 60's, early 70's to sound this good.
It sets a new standard for what is possible with
prior analog recordings.

The Bad: Not crazy about the overall video/song interface.
Software still seems like it has some bugs in it.
Surprised that such a elaborate set of
Blu-Discs come in individual cardboard sleeves
with No liners. I would have preferred that this was
a ten disc set with separate blue cases and albums
such as the classic Harvest be left intact with add-ons
at the end..

Still the bottom line here is the sound, and it is amazing..

Hopefully this Blu-Ray audio set will cause many others
to follow. I hope that music industry realizes that there
is a niche and market for Hi-Rez Blu_ray audio

Bob

The 2 channel DVD-A's release a few years ago are 24/172.
Sorry, Sherbona is correct, they're 24/176.4, I'll blame it on Ketel1:o
These discs were originally transfered at 24/88.2 but then subsequently upsampled to twice the 88.2 for release on DVD-A.
Father, please forgive me my trespasses and thanks for the correction.
I wasn't trying to correct anyone, but just noting that the Rhino releases were different from the norm.

Hrm. I could be smarmy and dickish and give you crap about the biggest sin, puting out "corrections" that are themselves wrong, but, yeah, I won't do that... :)

48/96/144/192kHz, right? or 44/88/176kHz? Those be normal sampling rates (and even 176 would be stretching it, and I've only seen 88 with DSD conversion).

172 ain't a multiple of either 44 or 48.

And, as above, I'm looking at a readout on my Integra, 192kHz.

Unless, of course, there's something going on that I'm completely oblivious to. Happy to be proven wrong and will revise my claims with supporting evidence. ;)Shark, I am a bit embarrassed about the error but not that embarrassed. That's the beauty of the forum, someone else will usually correct my errors in a gentle supportive manner. Thanks.

And, as above, I'm looking at a readout on my Integra, 192kHz.FWIW, I don't know what model of Integra you have but it may be doing upsampling of its own and displaying the output not the input.

huh. Integra 9.8, with Oppo 980. Again, more than happy to be corrected (and I was joking around about normal forum behaviour, you must know that), but I'm curious about your source as for the bitrate on the disc?

Based on a cursory search, it seems there's great debate about what the actual rate is (some are getting 96kHz on their players)

I grant you that the other titles seem to be 176.4 (http://www.highfidelityreview.com/reviews/review.asp?reviewnumber=14010029), but clearly some reviewers using DVD-info (http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ID=3144) show 24/192. Oh, and he seems to have =hated= the mix...:) (Idiot...heh)

Oh, and from the Hoffman forums (http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-95479.html)

Off the top of my head, titles that have 192/24 stereo tracks:

* Linda Ronstadt What's New? (I own it - I used to have a teenaged crush on Ms.Ronstadt :D)
* America Homecoming (own it)
* Steely Dan Everything Must Go
* Neil Young Harvest
* Neil Young's stereo-only dvd-audios: 2(?) of these have 176.4kHz/24bit tracks
* Classic Records' "HDAD" (http://classicrecords.com/) stereo-only titles*
*an AIX Records sampler has a few 192/24 tracks (in MLP and LCPM form)
I =think= you're confusing the standalone releases (On the Beach, etc.) with Harvest. Mind throwing in the title and testing it on your setup, let us know what you've got, and what it shows?

thx

FWIW, DVD-Audio Explorer shows 176400 Hz for Reactor's sample rate.

Yup. Be we're talking about -Harvest-

:)

...anybody else have the problems I had above with other players? Got an Oppo showing up soon, curious how after the newest FW update it's doing with the set, load times, and whether it barfs...

Yup. Be we're talking about -Harvest-

:)

I think you missed that Mil99 was talking about Neil's 2 channel DVD-As (i.e., Reactor, On The Beach etc...) for the 172 sampling rate.


Just to be clear about Harvest, the 2 channel is 24/192, the surround is 24/96 the limit of MLP for 5.1.
The 2 channel DVD-A's release a few years ago are 24/172.
<snip>


In your subsequent post where you questioned that 172 sampling rate you said your Integra was showing 192 which had me puzzled, so that's why I checked the Reactor disc. :)

Hey guys.
Just to be clear about Harvest, the 2 channel is 24/192, the surround is 24/96 the limit of MLP for 5.1.
The 2 channel DVD-A's release a few years ago are 24/172.

Ok, Maybe there was some confusion about my post.
My reference to 24/192 2 channel and 24/96 5.1 was regarding Harvest and Harvest alone. 24/96 is the res limit for MLP 5.1.
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure I can't check the bit-depth and sampling rate coming from my Denon to my Anthem pre/pro.
Sometimes I let the Denon do the D/A and sometimes I let the Anthem do the D/A. The Anthem upsamples all incoming digital to 24/192.
I'll take a look and see if there's some display that will show the incoming data.

As far as the Harvest mix, I have to trust Neil on this.
Maybe I stated things too strongly but at the time there were a lot of people bitching about the mix in typical internet forum fashion.

Ok, Maybe there was some confusion about my post.
My reference to 24/192 2 channel and 24/96 5.1 was regarding Harvest and Harvest alone. 24/96 is the res limit for MLP 5.1.
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure I can't check the bit-depth and sampling rate coming from my Denon to my Anthem pre/pro.
Sometimes I let the Denon do the D/A and sometimes I let the Anthem do the D/A. The Anthem upsamples all incoming digital to 24/192.
I'll take a look and see if there's some display that will show the incoming data.

As far as the Harvest mix, I have to trust Neil on this.
Maybe I stated things too strongly but at the time there were a lot of people bitching about the mix in typical internet forum fashion.

heh, you can if you want...:)

We are now all in agreement: Harvest is the same 24/192 spec as the BD (but the Archives is a newly re-minted master, from what I'm gathering), the other discs were 24/176 (88x2, not 172 as per typo above), and none of this really matters since we all have systems that are completely incapable of distiguishing between 176 and 192 (and by systems, I mean ears...)

By the way, there was a mark on the disc from the packaging (not a smuge), likely some guck from the cardboard sleeve right on the edge. This was not obvious on first glance, and was fairly small, but a gentle wipe seems to have fixed playback issues. Not sure BDs were designed for carboard sleeves...:)

I'm finding loads of stuff that's hardly obvious (ie., I figured the timeline would allow you to play all the stuff, but instead it's got things not in the regular cabinets and BD-Live... )

Getting as far as the second disc (vol1), I do wish there was track-by-track anotation (I'm spoiled by the Motown Singles). Also, FWIW, the live concert excerpt and some of the vinyl rips (Mr. Soul) are pretty funky sounding from a not-lacking-distortion standpoint. Still, the breadth is breathtaking, and it's a heck of a lot of fun to experience this music this way...

we are now all in agreement: Harvest is the same 24/192 spec as the bd (but the archives is a newly re-minted master, from what i'm gathering), the other discs were 24/176 (88x2, not 172 as per typo above), and none of this really matters since we all have systems that are completely incapable of distiguishing between 176 and 192 (and by systems, i mean ears...)

A big thumbs up! :)

Are any of you guys applying DPLIIx to the 2 channel stuff?

...I haven't bothered - I've got all kinds of processing options on the 9.8, but with my new setup Stereo is such a pleasure compared to before that it seems a waste.

Besides, where I'm at with the set, I'm still kinda in mono land for the most part... :)

...I haven't bothered - I've got all kinds of processing options on the 9.8, but with my new setup Stereo is such a pleasure compared to before that it seems a waste.
Pahtee Poopah

FWIW, I don't know what model of Integra you have but it may be doing upsampling of its own and displaying the output not the input.

The Integra 9.8 or any other model will only show the incoming signal's rate since it will be decoded and converted to analog inside the machine and offer no output facility for such signal for outboard processing. Unless you count the HDMI which is yet to appear on stand alone DA converters and that is also able to receive 6-8ch of digital data at once. ;)

Ok, the 192khz track from my PS3 HDMI to my Yamaha receiver sounds fantastic. Best audio I've heard yet on my new setup.... however (I really wish there wasn't a however), I can hear a high pitched hiss that what I guess (I've read) is called "tape hiss" since most of these tracks came from analog masters.

Anybody know of a way to resolve this? Or is this just standard once you have a high enough system to hear it?

Don't get me wrong. It still sounds great. Maybe I just have dog ears or something...

Maybe getting a new BD player that has individual outs instead of using HDMI? Maybe? (grasping here)

Ok, the 192khz track from my PS3 HDMI to my Yamaha receiver sounds fantastic. Best audio I've heard yet on my new setup.... however (I really wish there wasn't a however), I can hear a high pitched hiss that what I guess (I've read) is called "tape hiss" since most of these tracks came from analog masters.

Anybody know of a way to resolve this? Or is this just standard once you have a high enough system to hear it?

Don't get me wrong. It still sounds great. Maybe I just have dog ears or something...

Maybe getting a new BD player that has individual outs instead of using HDMI? Maybe? (grasping here)

:)

Yup, like on BD when you see all that messy stuff called "grain"

Listen closely, you can even hear a bunch of electrical hum from the amps as well, creaking of wood in the Harvest outdoor sessions, etc., etc.

Lifting the veil indeed... It's what happens when you don't EQ the high end out of the equation...

Ok, the 192khz track from my PS3 HDMI to my Yamaha receiver sounds fantastic. Best audio I've heard yet on my new setup.... however (I really wish there wasn't a however), I can hear a high pitched hiss that what I guess (I've read) is called "tape hiss" since most of these tracks came from analog masters.
(grasping here)

You really answer your own question. I thought that was the 'good stuff'. That is why these recordings are so great IMO, you have the feeling of actually being there at the recording, warts and all. I suppose those of us who grew up making our recordings on analog tape recorders (you young guys can find what that is in Wiki. :D) the 'tape' hiss and/or sound of the boards is acceptable on a recording that old. I was amazed at how quiet the old recordings really were myself, and had some ugly thoughts about how they may have over-processed the masters to get rid of those artifacts which undoubtedly also destroys some of the music content. Knowing Neil, though, I suspect he was pretty careful not to let that happen.

it does make you wonder though what a new recording from a studio processed at high resolution from start to finish could sound like. (There are probably some out there, I just am not familiar with them or don't care because I wouldn't like that type of music).
:eek:

it does make you wonder though what a new recording from a studio processed at high resolution from start to finish could sound like. (There are probably some out there, I just am not familiar with them or don't care because I wouldn't like that type of music).
:eek:Try AIX Records. Gorgeous sound. http://www.aixrecords.com/

Here's an excerpt from the AIX Mission Statement:
"AIX Records is dedicated to recording and releasing the finest quality audio products available anywhere in any format. Using state-of-the-art, high-resolution, digital equipment and a signal path that maintains 96 kHz/24 Bits fidelity throughout, we seek to enhance the experience of listening to music through improvements in sound quality, innovative 5.1 channel surround mixing perspectives and by adding plenty of interactive disc-based annotational materials. ... Most DVD-Audio releases are merely remixes of existing analog recordings. The real benefits of 96 kHz/24 Bit recording can't be fully appreciated until you've heard tracks that were created specifically for DVD-Audio. "

Are any of you guys applying DPLIIx to the 2 channel stuff?
I am, I never listen in stereo anymore. I prefer DPLII to Neo. I am using an Oppo BD-83 bitsreaming to a Denon 2309. I was wondering if people could list some of the hidden things in this box and downloads via BD Live. I have received a Squires Download that shows as a colored push pin on the time line. I also found bonus interviews on the disk that has the hanging fryingpans (I think it's the Live at the Riverboat disk), click on the light switch.

....look around in almost all the screens under "more".

As of now, we've only got one dl'd "pushpin", more to come... (you surprised you're having to wait?)

these stereo mixes are so rich with my new setup that I'm totally digging on the sound sans surround.

oh, as as per the oppo menu, the "download manager" is kinda hidden... go to the timeline, and press the "popup" button to see it...

re: T.O.

I grew up in Thunder Bay, or T.Bay(I think Neil met Stills or Nash there), and T.O. was used alot. Same in Edmonton. I know "Hogtown", but nobody I know uses it. Then there is "Center of the Universe", but I think that's for everybody but the locals!
I don't have the coin for this right now, but damn I want it. Looking forward to alot of the stand alone Bluray titles. Should I be searching out some of the DVDAs or waiting for the Blurays? I'm just able to play DVDAs.

...no new music, but an -excellent- BD-Live update today, with the 'Post Informer, Vol1, #1" taking the place of the simple "I Wonder" track... Funky, typewritten notes from NY contextualizing the song and story.

Man, this thing is just getting started...

I've worked my way through the main filing cabinet, and some of the footage (LSO doing Man Needs a Maid, the 'barn' recording)... Just amazing... What a dream set.

In case anyone has been holding out on buying Archives, I just picked it up for $178 from the Deep Discount sale :D:D:D:D:D

I've never been a Neil Young fan, never had anything against him just never really listened to him much. Never even owned one of his albums. This BD set really caught my attention though, and I pulled the trigger at the DD sale price. Can't wait to check it out!

I'm hoping if this is a success other artists will do something similar. Would love to see something like this for Frank Zappa or Miles Davis!!!

Soooo, I get my Archives box today from DD.
First impression, big box.
2nd impression, why does it have the DVD logo and not Blu-ray?
Because they shipped the wrong box.
After some conversation with DD CS rep, they're going to overnight the BR set tomorrow.
If true this is what customer service should be. :D
Just as long as it gets here by Friday.

new BD-Live update!

Man, I still love this set to death... And anybody foolish enough not to bother with the BD version is an idiot...;)

I won't ruin the surprise, but go check it out!

Anyone catch the film of him telling the dude at the record store he is going to take the bootleg record OF HIMSELF! The dude then said I am going to have to call the cops. NY then calmly says ok call them...I have never seen anything like that. Funny stuff!

Anyone catch the film of him telling the dude at the record store he is going to take the bootleg record OF HIMSELF! The dude then said I am going to have to call the cops. NY then calmly says ok call them...I have never seen anything like that. Funny stuff!

That clip was very entertaining, sort of a precursor to he illegal download problem artist's face today.

new BD-Live update!

Man, I still love this set to death... And anybody foolish enough not to bother with the BD version is an idiot...;)

I won't ruin the surprise, but go check it out!I like Neil Young but this set shows he's gone P.T. Barnum. ;) back at ya

Edit - I don't mean to be harsh, it's just to rich for my taste. I'm simply saying I don't see the value as others may.

I had to delete my BD-Live Q, when I loaded new firmware in my Oppo BD-83. When I put in the Topanga 2 disk in I got a new song, can't remember which one. I thought I would get the previous downloads too, but I didn't. Are the messages that there are downloads from NY, disk specific? Is there away to get the previuosly downloaded material back. The Oppo let's you store on a USB stick besides the internal memory. I may pick up a stick just for the NY stuff. Also how do you access the bonus songs listed on the Topanga 2 BD Sleeve. I couldn't get to them via the time line.

I had to delete my BD-Live Q, when I loaded new firmware in my Oppo BD-83. When I put in the Topanga 2 disk in I got a new song, can't remember which one. I thought I would get the previous downloads too, but I didn't. Are the messages that there are downloads from NY, disk specific?

Nope. I actually posted about this on the Oppo thread while back - there's a weirdness that clearing the Oppo's memory doesn't, well, -clear- the memory...

You can go to the timeline, then use the popup menu to see a download manager (yeah, a terrible place to "hide" it, but there you go). From there you can manage what's come down the pipe, delete/re-download, etc.

There should be two "issues" of NY's newspaper for you to read, the first being a very early track, and the second something remixed off the Neil Young album (again, I'll leave the surprise for you...)

Also how do you access the bonus songs listed on the Topanga 2 BD Sleeve. I couldn't get to them via the time line.

Nor will you - welcome to one of the joys of this set (or annoyances, if you feel that way) - you're expected to dig through this stuff looking for all the fun bits. When you cycle through the songs, see those feather (roach) clips? Try clicking on those! Or, go to the main menu, then "more...", and click around that page looking for video easter eggs.

There's even video sometimes hidden on the records themselves in the filing cabinet (check out Harvest, for example).

One hint - there are -TWO- easter eggs on the "more" screen for the North Country disc, and the second one is now my favourite short film ever... I'm convinced that comunity theatres should recreate it, that Paul Thomas Anderson should turn it into a feature film (the line in context "but I don't own a record player, just a tape player..." = AWESOME!)

Anyhoo, have fun playing, that's the entire point of the set.

Nope. I actually posted about this on the Oppo thread while back - there's a weirdness that clearing the Oppo's memory doesn't, well, -clear- the memory...

You can go to the timeline, then use the popup menu to see a download manager (yeah, a terrible place to "hide" it, but there you go). From there you can manage what's come down the pipe, delete/re-download, etc.

There should be two "issues" of NY's newspaper for you to read, the first being a very early track, and the second something remixed off the Neil Young album (again, I'll leave the surprise for you...)



Nor will you - welcome to one of the joys of this set (or annoyances, if you feel that way) - you're expected to dig through this stuff looking for all the fun bits. When you cycle through the songs, see those feather (roach) clips? Try clicking on those! Or, go to the main menu, then "more...", and click around that page looking for video easter eggs.

There's even video sometimes hidden on the records themselves in the filing cabinet (check out Harvest, for example).

One hint - there are -TWO- easter eggs on the "more" screen for the North Country disc, and the second one is now my favourite short film ever... I'm convinced that comunity theatres should recreate it, that Paul Thomas Anderson should turn it into a feature film (the line in context "but I don't own a record player, just a tape player..." = AWESOME!)

Anyhoo, have fun playing, that's the entire point of the set.

Thanks for the detailed responce. When you mentioned the feather clips, you talk about cycling through the songs. Is that in the play all or file cabinet portion of the disk. I have found the hidden videos/interviews in the file cabinet and I am aware of the easter eggs on the more pages. Watched "Journey Through the Past" last night, some great footage of Buffalo Springfield.

What is this "DD" store everyone is ordering from?

Are there anygood sites that show Blue-spec audio listings? I'm looking for info on a new release buy the group "Seawind", actually "Seawind Reunion" release. Appreciate any info.............

Are there anygood sites that show Blue-spec audio listings? I'm looking for info on a new release buy the group "Seawind", actually "Seawind Reunion" release. Appreciate any info.............

Try bluray.com

What is this "DD" store everyone is ordering from?

discount DVD...25% sale ended yesterday however.

discount DVD...25% sale ended yesterday however.


damn that sucks. Curious what is the actual web address? Tried discountdvd.com but it looks like a spoof site.

damn that sucks. Curious what is the actual web address? Tried discountdvd.com but it looks like a spoof site.

http://www.deepdiscount.com/


http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=65481809&categoryId=65456


edit: No Longer Available...

Nope. I actually posted about this on the Oppo thread while back - there's a weirdness that clearing the Oppo's memory doesn't, well, -clear- the memory...

You can go to the timeline, then use the popup menu to see a download manager (yeah, a terrible place to "hide" it, but there you go). From there you can manage what's come down the pipe, delete/re-download, etc.

There should be two "issues" of NY's newspaper for you to read, the first being a very early track, and the second something remixed off the Neil Young album (again, I'll leave the surprise for you...)



Nor will you - welcome to one of the joys of this set (or annoyances, if you feel that way) - you're expected to dig through this stuff looking for all the fun bits. When you cycle through the songs, see those feather (roach) clips? Try clicking on those! Or, go to the main menu, then "more...", and click around that page looking for video easter eggs.

There's even video sometimes hidden on the records themselves in the filing cabinet (check out Harvest, for example).

One hint - there are -TWO- easter eggs on the "more" screen for the North Country disc, and the second one is now my favourite short film ever... I'm convinced that comunity theatres should recreate it, that Paul Thomas Anderson should turn it into a feature film (the line in context "but I don't own a record player, just a tape player..." = AWESOME!)

Anyhoo, have fun playing, that's the entire point of the set.

I re-downloaded alls fine, but where are those roach clips?

Hey guys.

As far as the "unconventional" surround mix on Harvest, I was and am mystified why people were so up in arms about the mix.
The soundstage image wasn't "centered" or symmetric like usual.
If you look at the back of Harvest, they recorded many of the songs in Neil's barn just as pictured.
I think the mix of these songs on Harvest is spot on and present company excluded of course, anyone who doesn't trust Neil Young to get the sound right, doesn't know Neil Young from a pineapple.

Well put! The story I heard, firsthand, from someone who should know is that the way it is mixed was the way that it soundest best to them, and it just ended up matching the physical arrangement of the musicians in the barn when it was recoreded. If that's they way the artist wanted it to sound, that's their call, not ours.

Well put! The story I heard, firsthand, from someone who should know is that the way it is mixed was the way that it soundest best to them, and it just ended up matching the physical arrangement of the musicians in the barn when it was recoreded. If that's they way the artist wanted it to sound, that's their call, not ours.

The 5.1 mix on the Harvest DVD-A disc is amazing. I'm waiting for a 5.1 for "After the Gold Rush" on BluRay. I think, I heard or read that single BluRay disks were coming. Does anyone have news of these releases?

FYI, individual BluRays are now available on NY's website. As a casual fan, I went right for disc 8 (North Country) and have already listened several times in the past week. Fantastic sound quality.

The website is a little quirky. If you have issues, add the DVD version and then change it to a BluRay in your cart.

FYI, individual BluRays are now available on NY's website. As a casual fan, I went right for disc 8 (North Country) and have already listened several times in the past week. Fantastic sound quality.

The website is a little quirky. If you have issues, add the DVD version and then change it to a BluRay in your cart.


Geesh that website is difficult to navigate (if I'm at the right one) anyone have a link?

I like Neil Young but I'm sorry, $34.99 plus shipping for a BD disk is absurd. He's milking his supporters.

This is the wrong economy to fleecing your fans but of course value is a personal decision and some will lap it up. That's their choice.

FYI, individual BluRays are now available on NY's website. As a casual fan, I went right for disc 8 (North Country) and have already listened several times in the past week. Fantastic sound quality.

The website is a little quirky. If you have issues, add the DVD version and then change it to a BluRay in your cart.


Are they 5.1 mixes?

The only thing that's in 5.1 on the Blu ray discs is Journey Through The Past the movie everything else is stereo.

I like Neil Young but I'm sorry, $34.99 plus shipping for a BD disk is absurd....
Wait for the pricing on Amazon on some other higher volume dealer. I just purchased a $41 disc for $24, so eventually, Neil Young's discs will be reduced.
...everything else is stereo.
That's the rub! High res stereo via an expensive disc format seems worthless to me when you could have produced them on SACD or DVD-A. Of course, BD is the wave of the future, with far more players in service once they become commonplace.

Geesh that website is difficult to navigate (if I'm at the right one) anyone have a link?

http://neilyoungarchives.warnerreprise.com/shop/vol1/shop-individual-items.html

No denying that the price is extermely high. Just sharing in case anyone else would rather shell out $35 instead of $150.

No one loves hi-res more than me BUT a simple test on this forum at least, is to look at the number of members viewing a forum.
Surround Sound Music - Currently 7 including me:D

Blu-ray really is the hope for hi-res audio if there is any.
FWIW, I initially proposed creating this forum to the AVS owner several years before it became a reality and was summarily shot down.

If hi res on Blu ray's to really take off there needs to be Blu ray audio players in cars and portable Blu ray audio players[if the price is right i'd buy one in a heartbeat]imho.

The 5.1 mix on the Harvest DVD-A disc is amazing. I'm waiting for a 5.1 for "After the Gold Rush" on BluRay. I think, I heard or read that single BluRay disks were coming. Does anyone have news of these releases?
This is what http://www.neilyoung.com/news/index.html is stating*:
In the coming months the public can expect audiophile quality 140 gram and 180 gram vinyl editions of these records followed by high resolution 24 bit/ 192 kHz digital editions in Blu-ray.
*Paragraph #4 beneath the remasters gif.

I wonder if these Blu-rays will include a download-key for mp3-files like his Archives did. Because I like storing the music on my PC.

^^^^^^^
There's been talk from a NY Archives insider about lossless file downloads, like .flac.

vvvvvvv
simpucker, please see my post on the following page.

The above comment just saved me $ 40. No need to pick up the remastered CDs, apparently. Thank you, sir.

^^^^^^^^
Sorry if I gave the impression that these downloads are free. They're not.
You have to have purchased Archives.
It has a plastic card with a code to get access to the down load site.
BTW, these flac downloads are not a sure thing.
A member on the Hoffman forum, ArchivesGuy has mentioned that lossless downloads were in the works but access is limited to Archive purchasers.

Good summary post at Thrasher's Wheat:

http://www.thrasherswheat.org/2009/08/making-of-neil-young-archives.html

Should we consider this a discussion thread for Neil Young's release, or a general Blu-ray audio thread???

Should we consider this a discussion thread for Neil Young's release, or a general Blu-ray audio thread???

General Blu-ray, of course right now for rock anyway, we only have Neil. I was hoping Apple would release the remastered Beatles in Hi-Rez, DVD-A or BD.

Yes, rock is lacking in the releases, but I just ordered the Quincy Jones 75th Birthday Celebration to see if we could get some decent content there. The Chris Botti stuff is nicely recorded, and shows off the format, but it's "easy listening" at best.

Yes, rock is lacking in the releases, but I just ordered the Quincy Jones 75th Birthday Celebration to see if we could get some decent content there. The Chris Botti stuff is nicely recorded, and shows off the format, but it's "easy listening" at best.
Whats on that disk? Is it in 5.1 BD. I'm not one to buy a disk just because it's recorded well. I collect 5.1 disks, mostly rock. I have well over a hundred 5.1DVD-A and SACD disks. Problem is there are only a few more left to buy or should I say, I want. I thought that music on BD would take off. I read there are more BD players out there than DVD-A and SACD players combined. So there should be a growing market.

Yes, a growing market, but I think it's still too expensive to produce to begin with as compared to plain ol' CDs. Considering the market has gone to downloading MP3s, how many labels are willing to "grow" into the Blu-ray disc market? Chris Botti is 7.1 and the Quincy Jones concert is 5.1. The review of the Jones disc by Forum member JWhip on www.intotheblu.com led me to buy this one.

I like Neil Young but I'm sorry, $34.99 plus shipping for a BD disk is absurd. He's milking his supporters.

This is the wrong economy to fleecing your fans but of course value is a personal decision and some will lap it up. That's their choice.
Neil isn't milking anyone on this. Based on the relatively modest number of buyers for a project of this scope he'll be lucky to break even, let alone make obscene profits.

If hi res on Blu ray's to really take off there needs to be Blu ray audio players in cars and portable Blu ray audio players[if the price is right i'd buy one in a heartbeat]imho.Panasonic just announced (http://www.slashgear.com/panasonic-cy-bb1000d-in-car-blu-ray-player-revealed-2053178/) an in-car Blu-ray player.

...not sure you'd hear the glory of 24/192 in-car, particularly while it's moving, but, well, there ya go...

Talk, got any inside info on whether or not Neil's licensed the platform to other artists?

Panasonic just announced (http://www.slashgear.com/panasonic-cy-bb1000d-in-car-blu-ray-player-revealed-2053178/) an in-car Blu-ray player.

Wow, I can watch a HD movie in full 24/192 7.1 Surround Sound while I am driving to work.....sweeeeeet!
:D

Seriously, I would be surprised if they made that unit 24/192 for a car, the road noise would make it worthless. I suppose this is really for the kids in the back seat to watch a HD movie but even then, I would think the small screen in a minivan would have trouble doing justice to the HD look. Since my kid is long gone not much here for me either way, since I really don't watch movies while I drive. The biggest advantage for people that do watch in cars is that the movie you buy for the HT is now compatible with the car player, you don't need two versions. I would be surprised if Hollywood doesn't try to stop this. I am sure they would rather make the public buy two versions.

BTW add my support to the comment someone made earlier about the disappointment the new Beatles releases are not available in 24/192. I would have definitely gone that route if I could. Knowing the industry, that version will be available in a year or two so I can buy the collection all over again. Is that being cynical or just being a realist?? I wonder?????

I do remember seeing that there will be a Blu ray version of the Beatles remasters in the next year or so so i'd say you're being a realist.

...not sure you'd hear the glory of 24/192 in-car, particularly while it's moving, but, well, there ya go...

Talk, got any inside info on whether or not Neil's licensed the platform to other artists?I don't know about specifically licensing the platform, but it's reasonable to assume that Neil and his production folk are talking to other industry legends about putting out similar projects.

- Talk

The biggest advantage for people that do watch in cars is that the movie you buy for the HT is now compatible with the car player, you don't need two versions. I would be surprised if Hollywood doesn't try to stop this. I am sure they would rather make the public buy two versions.
There's nothing Hollywood can do even if they did want to stop it - the in-car version is still a legitimate Blu-ray player. Besides, many of the major releases now bundle a DVD with the Blu-ray Disc, so the studios appear to be looking to add value rather than force additional purchases.

I do remember seeing that there will be a Blu ray version of the Beatles remasters in the next year or so so i'd say you're being a realist.

This is something I'm very interested in. Do you have a link or a source for this info?

It was talked about on Steve Hoffman's website[Stevehoffman.tv]

I do remember seeing that there will be a Blu ray version of the Beatles remasters in the next year or so so i'd say you're being a realist.

Of course I find this out after I have already ordered the CD set. Oh well, I suppose I can sell the CD's next year when the Hi-Rez version is available. Sucks for me, great for the recording industry.:rolleyes:

Of course I find this out after I have already ordered the CD set. Oh well, I suppose I can sell the CD's next year when the Hi-Rez version is available. Sucks for me, great for the recording industry.:rolleyes:
I ordered the CDs and I knew that the hi-res versions were\are a distinct possibility.
Martinko, which Beatles set did you order? Stereo or mono?
I ordered the mono set.
2 weeks tomorrow:D

sorry, guys... I don't mean to be a party pooper, but thought y'all would like to know there already is a thread discussing the Beatles stuff (un-ironically also started by me - who knew that the same demographic buying NYA would buy these!)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1160414

Shark, despite the inclusion of Neil Young in the title, we've established that this is a discussion thread for BluRay audio, and not just the archive set.

I ordered the CDs and I knew that the hi-res versions were\are a distinct possibility.
Martinko, which Beatles set did you order? Stereo or mono?
I ordered the mono set.
2 weeks tomorrow:D

I ordered the stereo set. I have most of the early albums in vinyl in mono, and in my own case as a kid, when the albums were first released I always bought the stereo copy after Rubber Soul and relished the stereo mixes of the later albums like Sgt. Peppers and the White album. I played recording engineer for a few local bands as a youth, and learned a lot of mixing techniques from listening to the stereo tracks one side at a time. I debated long and hard about the trade, but since I already still have most of them in vinyl in the English Parlaphone (?) release I went for the stereo version. I haven't played the records in ages in fear of damaging them. I recently upgraded to a new turntable (ProJect, not a real pricey one), and may pull some of them out now for a spin and comparison. I actually considered buying both, but had a hunch there might be a high rez version out some day, and thought I just can't justify that many copies.

I ordered the CDs and I knew that the hi-res versions were\are a distinct possibility.
Martinko, which Beatles set did you order? Stereo or mono?
I ordered the mono set.
2 weeks tomorrow:D

You do need something to play in the car anyway.

I was researching the Beatle remasters hoping to find something about BD or high Rez. When I came across a listing of the engineers and other projects that they worked on. One project was remastering and remixing of the Lennon Legend CD/DVD. The DVD is in 5.1 Dolby and PCM, I assume the PCM is 24/48. I ordered it. Reviews of the 5.1 mix were very good. Video content held mixed opinions. Maybe this will be released on BD DTS Master.

You do need something to play in the car anyway.Hey your right!:D
AFA Beatles hi-res, likely would be Giles Martin as he is doing the 5.1 for Rock Band and already did Love.
The digital masters are now 24/192 sooo on would hope that 24/96 would be the standard for any hi-res release.
I just thought of something, 24/192 mono blu-rays!
That would be cool.

Not sure if this is the right thread, but I watched/listened to the BluRay of John Mayall's 70th Birthday Concert last night and was blown away by the sound of the DTS-HD Master Audio track. I was not all that familiar with Mayall's work before, but am a fan now. The surround mix is especially good at highlighting the various instrumentalists - Mick Taylor's guitar in the left front, Eric Clapton's in the right along with some great trombone work by Chris Barber.

According to what I read on Steve Hoffman's website a source at EMI has said that there'll be no Blu ray versions of the Beatles reissues[sorry].......I also read that there'll be a new Tom Petty live anthology that'll have a deluxe edition that'll include a Blu Ray disc[no mention of surround but we'll see] for $100.

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Just got this e-mail from the TP website:

"We are very excited to announce the upcoming release of Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers' The Live Anthology, a multiple disc set of recordings drawn from thirty years of live performances. The collection brings together material from 1978-2007 culled from hundreds of hours of live concert recordings covering every era of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers’ tours and represents the best tracks as chosen by producers Tom Petty, Mike Campbell and Ryan
Ulyate.

Along with powerful interpretations of their own classic hits and originals, The Live Anthology features the band tackling some of their best-loved cover material, from classics to obscure beauties to unexpected adaptations. The theme from TomPetty.com Announcing 'The Live Anthology'Goldfinger, the Zombies’ “I Want You Back Again,” the Grateful Dead’s “Friend of the Devil,” early Fleetwood Mac’s “Oh Well,” Booker T. and the MGs “Green Onions”, James Brown’s “Good, Good Lovin’” and many more. The Live Anthology is the band’s story told through the music alone; the producers made no fixes or overdubs.

In addition to offering The Live Anthology via digital outlets including iTunes, The Live Anthology will be available in the following four configurations, each with artwork and packaging by renowned contemporary artist Shepard Fairey (Studio Number One, Obey Giant).

1. A four CD set of 48 tracks.

2. A deluxe box set featuring 62 tracks on five CDs PLUS
- Two previously unreleased DVDs including the 1978 New Year’s Eve concert from Santa Monica, CA and the Martyn Atkins documentary 400 Days shot during the recording and tour for Wildflowers.

- A re-mastered vinyl of the 1976 Official Live 'Leg bootleg.

- A High Resolution Blu-ray Audio Disc featuring all 62 tracks in both stereo and 5.1 surround sound. This disc has 256 times more audio resolution than a CD.

- AND MUCH MORE (see details below).

3. A seven LP vinyl box set mastered directly from the uncompressed 24-bit 96K files and pressed on audiophile quality high performance vinyl.

4. The entirely unique Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers Superhighway Tour

The Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers Superhighway Tour is a first of its kind digital tour experience that delivers to ticketholders 24 of the 48 Live Anthology tracks over an 8 week advance period. During this period ticketholders will receive an insider’s view of those 24 tracks, whether through archived memorabilia, new band commentary, classic reviews from the vaults, and more amassed rare vintage Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers content.

Upon the official street date of the album ticket holders will digitally receive the remaining 24 tracks on The Live Anthology, thereby completing the entire album.

Tickets for the entire 8 week SuperHighway Tour will go onsale soon and the Tour will start with a FREE PREVIEW including a FREE DOWNLOAD from The Live Anthology."

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I highlighted the relevant portions. The part about memorablia, reviews, classic content etc for digital download would at least for me seem likely to be used for the blu-ray as well but that's just my interpretation.

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Just got this e-mail from the TP website:

"We are very excited to announce the upcoming release of Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers' The Live Anthology, a multiple disc set of recordings drawn from thirty years of live performances. The collection brings together material from 1978-2007 culled from hundreds of hours of live concert recordings covering every era of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers’ tours and represents the best tracks as chosen by producers Tom Petty, Mike Campbell and Ryan
Ulyate.

Along with powerful interpretations of their own classic hits and originals, The Live Anthology features the band tackling some of their best-loved cover material, from classics to obscure beauties to unexpected adaptations. The theme from TomPetty.com Announcing 'The Live Anthology'Goldfinger, the Zombies’ “I Want You Back Again,” the Grateful Dead’s “Friend of the Devil,” early Fleetwood Mac’s “Oh Well,” Booker T. and the MGs “Green Onions”, James Brown’s “Good, Good Lovin’” and many more. The Live Anthology is the band’s story told through the music alone; the producers made no fixes or overdubs.

In addition to offering The Live Anthology via digital outlets including iTunes, The Live Anthology will be available in the following four configurations, each with artwork and packaging by renowned contemporary artist Shepard Fairey (Studio Number One, Obey Giant).

1. A four CD set of 48 tracks.

2. A deluxe box set featuring 62 tracks on five CDs PLUS
- Two previously unreleased DVDs including the 1978 New Year’s Eve concert from Santa Monica, CA and the Martyn Atkins documentary 400 Days shot during the recording and tour for Wildflowers.

- A re-mastered vinyl of the 1976 Official Live 'Leg bootleg.

- A High Resolution Blu-ray Audio Disc featuring all 62 tracks in both stereo and 5.1 surround sound. This disc has 256 times more audio resolution than a CD.

- AND MUCH MORE (see details below).

3. A seven LP vinyl box set mastered directly from the uncompressed 24-bit 96K files and pressed on audiophile quality high performance vinyl.

4. The entirely unique Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers Superhighway Tour

The Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers Superhighway Tour is a first of its kind digital tour experience that delivers to ticketholders 24 of the 48 Live Anthology tracks over an 8 week advance period. During this period ticketholders will receive an insider’s view of those 24 tracks, whether through archived memorabilia, new band commentary, classic reviews from the vaults, and more amassed rare vintage Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers content.

Upon the official street date of the album ticket holders will digitally receive the remaining 24 tracks on The Live Anthology, thereby completing the entire album.

Tickets for the entire 8 week SuperHighway Tour will go onsale soon and the Tour will start with a FREE PREVIEW including a FREE DOWNLOAD from The Live Anthology."

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I highlighted the relevant portions. The part about memorablia, reviews, classic content etc for digital download would at least for me seem likely to be used for the blu-ray as well but that's just my interpretation.

Is there a release date?

Not sure if this is the right thread, but I watched/listened to the BluRay of John Mayall's 70th Birthday Concert last night and was blown away by the sound of the DTS-HD Master Audio track. I was not all that familiar with Mayall's work before, but am a fan now. The surround mix is especially good at highlighting the various instrumentalists - Mick Taylor's guitar in the left front, Eric Clapton's in the right along with some great trombone work by Chris Barber.

Get a copy of the album "The Turning Point" from John. Still one of my all time favorite albums.

The Tom Petty set'll be out sometime in November.

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2. A deluxe box set featuring 62 tracks on five CDs PLUS
- Two previously unreleased DVDs including the 1978 New Year’s Eve concert from Santa Monica, CA and the Martyn Atkins documentary 400 Days shot during the recording and tour for Wildflowers.

- A re-mastered vinyl of the 1976 Official Live 'Leg bootleg.

- A High Resolution Blu-ray Audio Disc featuring all 62 tracks in both stereo and 5.1 surround sound. This disc has 256 times more audio resolution than a CD.

- AND MUCH MORE (see details below).

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How much will this box cost? I guess it will be less than 10 BD of NY, but who needs vinyl. I'll have to get my Thorens down from the attic.

I just read this in the Sept 17th RS. Petty Box will be released in early Nov. The box will be about $100.00, contain a 4 CD set with a bonus CD of additional material and bonus DVDs. A vinyl EP of 1976 club dates and a BluRay disk with every track in 5.1. The BD will contain very little video. TP says he got the idea of using BD from the NY box.

I didn't see anyone else mention this yet, but a) The new Oppo FW does wonders for NYA playback, and b) if you haven't noticed, there was an update a couple weeks back, a new track from the Crazy Horse Filmore show...

I didn't see anyone else mention this yet, but a) The new Oppo FW does wonders for NYA playback, and b) if you haven't noticed, there was an update a couple weeks back, a new track from the Crazy Horse Filmore show...

Loaded the new FW last night, Ill put the NY on today. Got the new song last week. Waiting for the Petty Box.

Hey, kids... ANOTHER update to NYA... A scratchy, Live version of Mr. Soul.

For BD fans, what's remarkable is that this one, aside being another page in the "newspaper" format, has updates that mimic more directly the rest of the Archives, with the caption on/off for a couple of pieces of memorabilia.

Sound's not great on this one, but, man, this set just keeps on giving! :)