I assume you'll *FINALLY* be updating that signature of yours. ;)

Waiting for SED is like waiting for Godot. It takes a lifetime...

I agree, too vague a question to ask in a forum like this.

Bottom line is real estate is local. Some areas are already turning up or never dropped (NYC [foreigners], Milwaukee [never had a 'bubble'], Austin [oil & gas] ... some have a long way to drop (Miami & Las Vegas [bubbled to the MAX], Southern California [income to price discrepancy], Detroit [crappy economy])

Saying to "just buy, don't rent" is generically bad advice in this economy. Look at your local economy and housing market, and then figure how many years you will own the house ... then talk to a local Real Estate Agent (and take what they say with a grain of salt ... they are hard up for commissions right now ;))

VERY well said!!!
D-Nice,

I have a Pioneer DV-59avi that I could match up with an Elite 151. Would 480i HDMI via a 59avi be one of the best SD-DVD options for a 151? Is the deinterlacing improved over the 150?

Good question...I posted something similar on page 55 of this thread. I have an Integra 9.8 and an Oppo 980 that can output 480i over HDMI. Should I leave the upscaling to the Integra or my pre-ordered 151? (Thanks Robert! :D)

In same boat.Bought a great condo at good interest rate but now have to wait till next year for the 10g when my bank account gets healthy.I now have a small 8.5 by 9.5 windowless room with amazing acoustics waiting to build my 10g mini theater in.The payback is my condo has free use of a 25 seat 12 ft screen HD movie theater and im going to have my 5 year old 433cmx mounted over my fireplace.Hope this will keep me happy during the long wait for the 10g

8.5 x 9.5? You building it in a closet? j/k :D

Get the house today and stay off this board until next year and then get the 10G infinite black plasma next year

And in the mean time, go to forum regarding the real estate market.

yes its soo unfortunate that sed is not coming sight.... oh and i got picked on cnet and quoted without my permission:eek:

I assume you'll *FINALLY* be updating that signature of yours. ;)

whats godot? sorry english is not my native tongue

Waiting for SED is like waiting for Godot. It takes a lifetime...

anyways wow this thread is really not getting any new info minus russ recent update its just us lurkers:p and off topic talk ....

Would anyone happen to know the power consumption between the 5020 and 6020. I'm still debating the two and if the power consump. on the 6020 is huge. I'm going to stick with the 5020. Thanks.

So when will D-Nice be able to obtain a xx20 and give us a professional review? :)

Thats what I am wondering.
I think Robert from value electronics committed to sending D-Nice a 9G a few months ago for that reason and D-Nice accepted his offer. So maybe Robet knows when he will ship D-nice the 9G if they are stillll doing that.

Doesn't get much clearer then what I posted. Yes, 6020's are arriving on Tuesday for one of my contacts.

So am I understanding you wrong or are you saying that the 6020's will be arriving at some dealers as soon as tuesday??

VERY well said!!!


Good question...I posted something similar on page 55 of this thread. I have an Integra 9.8 and an Oppo 980 that can output 480i over HDMI. Should I leave the upscaling to the Integra or my pre-ordered 151? (Thanks Robert! :D)


According to D-Nice, leave the upscaling to the 151.

Processing:
Assuming I have a 111, the current thought is that for any SD content, I want to pass the unprocessed data through to the Elite and let that excellent processor do the work. Do we know if when using a Pio BD the SD content can be passed unprocessed to the Elite panel?

What about the AV receiver?

D-Nice suggests using the Oppo 980 that can output 480i over HDMI to the Kuro. He said other DVD players would be fine as long as they can pass a 480i over HDMI UNPROCESSED/UNALTERED. He said there are some DVD players can pass 480i DVD video via HDMI, however not all of them leave the signal unaltered.

The question is does the new Pioneer BD players (coming later this year) pass a unaltered 480i DVD signals via HDMI. The answer is they might. The new Pioneer BD players will have a feature (I forget the name of it) that is suppose to pass the signal though unaltered.

Will they or won't they? I guess we really won't know till they are out and fully tested.

Doesn't get much clearer then what I posted. Yes, 6020's are arriving on Tuesday for one of my contacts.

A note to the guys out there, Russwong is very reputable so this is great news!

A note to the guys out there, Russwong is very reputable so this is great news!

Oh I agree. I have seen and followed many of his post and know hes a "no nonsense guy".
His post was pretty clear. I just wanted to make sure I confirmed what he was saying 100% becasue this is news worth spreading. :D:):D:)

According to D-Nice, leave the upscaling to the 151.

That's what I thought he said, but I couldn't find his original comments.

D-Nice suggests using the Oppo 980 that can output 480i over HDMI to the Kuro. He said other DVD players would be fine as long as they can pass a 480i over HDMI UNPROCESSED/UNALTERED. He said there are some DVD players can pass 480i DVD video via HDMI, however not all of them leave the signal unaltered.

The question is does the new Pioneer BD players (coming later this year) pass a unaltered 480i DVD signals via HDMI. The answer is they might. The new Pioneer BD players will have a feature (I forget the name of it) that is suppose to pass the signal though unaltered.

Will they or won't they? I guess we really won't know till they are out and fully tested.

I was hoping to take advantage of my 59avi, as it's currently in audio-only usage. I was wondering if the 59avi via 480i HDMI would be better than my current Denon 3910 @ 480p/720p/1080i.

Plus, the reason the 59avi would be better for me, is that I can use the firewire output to my receiver, which I don't think is going to take DSD via HDMI out of the 980H. My receiver is Denon AVR-4806CI.

Where do you guys recommend getting a price quote on a 5020 from?

Thanks.

Where do you guys reccommend getting a Price Quote on a 5020 from??
Thanks.

Personally I would contact Alex from Invisions (link on top of page), Roman from Clarity (link at bottom of page), and Robert at Value electronics (link on bottom of page, not sure if Robert is in sales but if he isn't maybe he can point you to the right person at ****************) And see who has the best Deal. All are reputable dealers and take care of thier customers from everything I have heard.

Yeah, I know that Robert was recently approved to sell the non-eliite plasmas nationwide!! For elites, he's still bound by the 250 mile limit.

Here's some news that I believe people should be greatly interested!

Spoke to one of my contacts and the 6020's allocations are done and are to arrive on Tuesday.

IT'S 9G TIME!!!!

Not that I don't absolutely LOVE my 1150, but these are happy days now!

whats godot? sorry english is not my native tongue


"Waiting for Godot" is a play by Samuel Beckett in which two characters wait for endlessly for someone named Godot to arrive. Godot never shows.

For elites, he's still bound by the 250 mile limit.


This Pioneer policy is an absurd. I really have hard time understanding it.
Must be pressure from the B&M stores.

It's not that great of a deal when you see what the forum sponsors are selling it for shipped to my door. Best buy will add tax ~$435 and delivery $65 which makes then ~$800 more expensive than in this forum. Not bizarro world, the real world where the dollar matters.


;13933096']How does that even makes sense? You find someone who's willing to cut you a great deal, but you walk away to give that business to someone else? Are you from Bizarro-World?

This Pioneer policy is an absurd. I really have hard time understanding it.
Must be pressure from the B&M stores.

They want to support their smaller local dealers as well.

Sorry if this is already posted somewhere else, but any update on when the Elite 9G's ship?

A note to the guys out there, Russwong is very reputable so this is great news!

RobertR1, the reason we're getting a plasma for the living room is because we bought a 42" Panny (75u) plasma for the bedroom and we said "whoa! this beats 50" the lcd rptv in the living room!). So we wanted to get a plasma for the living room with a bigger screen (58" or 60"). I was going to get a panny 58-700u, but wanted more hdmi inputs (the 700u only has 2).

The new panny 58-800u has 4 hdmi, but after reading the pioneer threads here in the forums, everyone seems to think the pioneers have an even better pic than the panny. So, we decided to stretch the budget to go for the 6020, but that's already stretching our budget. I wish I could afford an elite. We're going to have to keep this tv for a loooong time, so I want to get the better of the 2.

Thanks for your advice.

I have the same 42" Panny 75u in my bedroom and if you are OK with those colors, the 6020 colors will be more than satisfactory for you (if they are similar to 6010). The 75u Pannys are not at all accurate out of the box, and even after service menu adjustments, they are only on-par with the 80u colors (which are not accurate like the THX mode 800u colors). The 5010/6010 Pioneers have much more accurate colors than your 75u.

Sorry if this is already posted somewhere else, but any update on when the Elite 9G's ship?

Since the non Elites are looking early hoping the same for the Elites (still later than non Elites)

I have the same 42" Panny 75u in my bedroom and if you are OK with those colors, the 6020 colors will be more than satisfactory for you (if they are similar to 6010). The 75u Pannys are not at all accurate out of the box, and even after service menu adjustments, they are only on-par with the 80u colors (which are not accurate like the THX mode 800u colors). The 5010/6010 Pioneers have much more accurate colors than your 75u.

Thanks for that info. I wasn't happy with the Panny's picture until I tweaked it quite a bit, but it looks pretty good now. Because it is in the bedroom, it is only for watching tv a couple of times a week before bed. We don't use it a whole lot. I didn't want to spend a fortune on a tv that would only be on a couple of hours a week.

I wanted to go for the Pioneer for the living room because it's where we watch movies and do most of our viewing. I know the 60" tv in the living room will magnify flaws, so I went for the Pioneer rather than a Panasonic for the living room. I'm trusting Pioneer's reputation on this. I just can't afford an elite, so it's either the 6020 or the less expensive 58" Panasonic. I decided to jump in for the Pioneer.

They want to support their smaller local dealers as well.

I understand that, but the consumers are always looking for the best price. Unfortunately, most B&M stores will not match that. Seriously after they sell you a display, very few will be there to help you.
I would love to support the little guys, but in the end is the savings in $$$ that will make the final sale.

After pestering the WIFE for a few weeks, I finally got the go ahead to purchase a 151. I had to do it today as its the last day of a sale at a local B&M. I would have liked to purchase from a sponsor but, Pioneers elite policy and the easier local store return policy made the decision for me. The sales guy was shocked at the price I told him,he had to call the manager over who sadly admitted that they had screwed up on the price. Actually he said that Pio raised the price after the sale ad came out. Right. I was also informed they had only 768's in stock, only elites left were floor models.

Well I must now try to sell my 1140 (Wifes condition for new purchase) which I would love to put in the bedroom. Any thoughts on what it may be worth? Bought it just before 8g's came out.


chadmak09,
Do not get any Bose system. Period.

Vashti,
What generation Pioneer will you purchase?

They want to support their smaller local dealers as well.

I can understand that, but I have called the 4 closest and NONE knew anything about the 9G panels. Well, one knew they were coming, but knew nothing about them except "that they will certainly be selling for list price, whatever that is." I informed him what the MSRP was and he said, 'that sounds about right.' Not exactly the local expert dealer I'm looking for. The next closest that is not a BB/Magnolia is out of the 200 mile range.

It's unfortunate, but many small local dealers don't get much (if any) information on upcoming product until it gets here. At that point a Pioneer Rep. will come in and conduct a training. Let's be honest, most Sales people aren't reading these posts and don't keep up with this as much as we do. In fact, most of you guys posting/reading here know more than the Sales guy...at least until they get the product.

I applaud Pioneer for the internet pricing policy they have. They have not only their small local dealers in mind but also the end user. The fact is, the majority of striclty on-line dealers do NOT support their product in any way (AVS excluded of course!)

If it only comes down to PRICE, then the local dealer has not done their job.

Is anyone thinking about an upgrade from the 5070/5071?

This dang hobby :p..

I have enjoyed this set for a while and it has served me well.

I really think I would like a 60 and I have checked out the 8g on numerious occassions and it does look very very good.

I would like to make a jump to 60 and cool it for a while but you know how that goes. I need to finally get the Sony 34XBR960 out of my bedroom. It's getting harder to figure out what to do with these older sets...

I think the 9G might be a place to stop for awhile...Looking forward to some real world viewing pleasures...

Rick

Yeah, I know that Robert was recently approved to sell the non-eliite plasmas nationwide!! For elites, he's still bound by the 250 mile limit.so are you going for a non-Elite or an Elite?

They want to support their smaller local dealers as well.

How, Am I supporting local dealers if the only place within 250 miles is Magnolia stores. Which sell all their Elites at MSRP. I'm now stuck getting a non-elite from a forum sponser so I don't have to pay MSRP. If local dealers could ship nationwide i'd definitly be supporting them.

i saw the local best buy ad this morning. and it said the 5010 were in limited quantities. does that mean we will see the 5020 and 6020 soon?

Is anyone thinking about an upgrade from the 5070/5071?

This dang hobby :p..

I have enjoyed this set for a while and it has served me well.

I really think I would like a 60 and I have checked out the 8g on numerious occassions and it does look very very good.

I would like to make a jump to 60 and cool it for a while but you know how that goes. I need to finally get the Sony 34XBR960 out of my bedroom. It's getting harder to figure out what to do with these older sets...

I think the 9G might be a place to stop for awhile...Looking forward to some real world viewing pleasures...

Rick

I owned a 5070 for about a year. I had a Pro110 (8th gen) for about a month. The diff in night and day. The 9th gen should even be more of an upgrade.

are you sure you're not making a mistake with a 8g PRO-150 ? a PRO-151 is a 9g and bestbuy has no info no ad and no price on the 151 so how did you get a last day sale thing? it had to be a 8g ......

i pm'd you as well but i wanted to clearify and if it is a 9g can you via pm tell me price? thanks

After pestering the WIFE for a few weeks, I finally got the go ahead to purchase a 151. I had to do it today as its the last day of a sale at a local B&M. I would have liked to purchase from a sponsor but, Pioneers elite policy and the easier local store return policy made the decision for me. The sales guy was shocked at the price I told him,he had to call the manager over who sadly admitted that they had screwed up on the price. Actually he said that Pio raised the price after the sale ad came out. Right. I was also informed they had only 768's in stock, only elites left were floor models.

Well I must now try to sell my 1140 (Wifes condition for new purchase) which I would love to put in the bedroom. Any thoughts on what it may be worth? Bought it just before 8g's came out.


chadmak09,
Do not get any Bose system. Period.

Vashti,
What generation Pioneer will you purchase?

The 8G standy was about 26W, the 9Gs in standby should be about .2W, thus the engergy star rating.Russ

Wow, this seems like a big difference. Anyone know what this adds up to in terms of approx. annual savings going with the 9G vs. the 8G? I was all set on picking up a 1150HD on clearance, but this is yet another reason to be tempted to splurge on the new 9Gs.

are you sure you're not making a mistake with a 8g PRO-150 ? a PRO-151 is a 9g and bestbuy has no info no ad and no price on the 151 so how did you get a last day sale thing? it had to be a 8g ......

i pm'd you as well but i wanted to clearify and if it is a 9g can you via pm tell me price? thanks

I believe that was the Tweeter flyer that went out earlier this month.

next silly question: everyone seems so down on the inability of the 6020 to be fiddleable. having the ability to tinker would seem to be of value primarily if Pioneer has bad preset values. are the Pioneer parameters (that are preset in the 6020) pretty darn good to begin with, so fiddling would not do that much good anyway? or are they pretty darn bad, so fiddling would do much good?

According to the DVD Essentials presentation TV manufacturers purposely miss calibrate their units so they stand out on the show room floor. And if they didn't, to the untrained eye, they would all look alike. So they purposely try to give the display more punch to catch the potential buyers eye. Personally I would much prefer a TV that comes calibrated to the set standard so I know what the producer/director captured is what's displayed on my set. Is this what Pioneer is shooting for perhaps?

PLEASE! read carefully his post here is quoted



After pestering the WIFE for a few weeks, I finally got the go ahead to purchase a 151. I had to do it today as its the last day of a sale at a local B&M. I would have liked to purchase from a sponsor but, Pioneers elite policy and the easier local store return policy made the decision for me. The sales guy was shocked at the price I told him,he had to call the manager over who sadly admitted that they had screwed up on the price. Actually he said that Pio raised the price after the sale ad came out. Right. I was also informed they had only 768's in stock, only elites left were floor models.

BB&M is bestbuy magnolia not tweeter.

I believe that was the Tweeter flyer that went out earlier this month.

Off topic, have you guys noticed that bestbuy has the PDP-5010 50'' 1080p non elite for an awesome price!!! 3gs

still i think i can get this for an elite 9g not sure

Correct Geordon.

B&M = brick and mortar or building

Wow, this seems like a big difference. Anyone know what this adds up to in terms of approx. annual savings going with the 9G vs. the 8G? I was all set on picking up a 1150HD on clearance, but this is yet another reason to be tempted to splurge on the new 9Gs.

I am right there with you. I had a great deal set on the 1150hd, but now I plan on pre-ordering the Pro-11fd :D Might as well, right?

I also went to my local BB/Magnolia, and the salesman told me all about how the new pioneers they are getting are going to be made by Panasonic :rolleyes:
I had to explain to him for 10 minutes why he was wrong, but at least he believed me and thanked me for the correct info.

The 1150hd is a great deal right now, if you can even find one anywhere, but Im going to make the extra investment in the 111fd, cant wait!

Gus, the term "local B&M" is an acronym for "local Brick & Mortar" and means all large stores, whether Best Buy, Tweeter, Ultimate Electronics, Magnolia, etc.

Gus, the term "local B&M" is an acronym for "local Brick & Mortar" and means all large stores, whether Best Buy, Tweeter, Ultimate Electronics, Magnolia, etc.


thanks... then disregard my post :p

Anyone know what this adds up to in terms of approx. annual savings going with the 9G vs. the 8G?Someone did the calculations, and as I recall it was about $30 a year -- not much for an individual. The society's savings would be very large if standby use was reduced as much as possible across the country.

The 8G standy was about 26W, the 9Gs in standby should be about .2W, thus the engergy star ratingare you sure these are the actual power-consumption values? If so that's an un-believeable improvement (like 100 times more efficient?).

Someone did the calculations, and as I recall it was about $30 a year -- not much for an individual. The society's savings would be very large if standby use was reduced as much as possible across the country.

Can someone confirm this? If only $30 per year, then this is essentially irrelevant on an individual level, but I suspect the amount may be much higher--though I hope not!

Checked RSS today and the 5020 has a SKU now. The 'in-stock' date is scheduled to be 06/22/08. But that doesn't mean we will have any. That's just the date of release usually.

Dunno if anyone else has mentioned that. ;)

thats good news can you post the sku via pm or here? and can you by any chance check on the PRO-111FD???

I'll do some more checking on the other models tommorrow when I work again. I'll try and get info for all the other models. I bet only the 5020 and 6020 are there though.

On another note. The 80gb PS3 will be back, bundled with MGS4 and will come out the same day as the game itself. ;)

I live near Chicago and will probably want to get a 151. I believe all of the sponsors live on the West coast and thus can't sell me an Elite. Does anybody know the best way to try and get one below sticker when it first comes out (as I doubt the B&Ms will discount it at all)?

I checked today, and the PRO-151 is not in our system yet at MHT :(.

Can someone confirm this? If only $30 per year, then this is essentially irrelevant on an individual level, but I suspect the amount may be much higher--though I hope not!


Again, whats the on power consumption between the 6020 and 5020?

Someone did the calculations, and as I recall it was about $30 a year -- not much for an individual. The society's savings would be very large if standby use was reduced as much as possible across the country.

30 dollars a year is not even worth worrying about IMO.
I have never really cared much at all about a televisions energy consumption. Too many other things to look at.

Vashti,
What generation Pioneer will you purchase?

9th. My time has come!


so are you going for a non-Elite or an Elite?

Elite 151. If I change my mind, it will be to upgrade to the Elite 141 - but I'm pretty sure it will be the 151 for me. I'll be ordering it within a couple of days! :D :D :D

9th. My time has come!




Elite 151. If I change my mind, it will be to upgrade to the Elite 141 - but I'm pretty sure it will be the 151 for me. I'll be ordering it within a couple of days! :D :D :D

Looks like we are doing the same thing. I can't wait to get my 151.
I think the Gods will show me mercy this time and I will get no DOA's, at least that is what I pray for. I think the reason the Gods cursed me with 2 dead 6010's in a row was becasue they knew I would be happier with the almighty 151.
Are there any advantages to getting the 141? I haven't read up at all on the 141. All I know is that its like the "monitor only" elite right?

9th. My time has come!




Elite 151. If I change my mind, it will be to upgrade to the Elite 141 - but I'm pretty sure it will be the 151 for me. I'll be ordering it within a couple of days! :D :D :D



Me too Vashti....
So, so psyched....

30 dollars a year is not even worth worrying about IMO.
I have never really cared much at all about a televisions energy consumption. Too many other things to look at.

Hey Chad, at the risk of sounding like a record, there are reasons to think about standby consumption other than cost. Some of us consider it because we're frugal, some because of the environmental implications, and some for both reasons. As htwaits said,

not much for an individual. The society's savings would be very large if standby use was reduced as much as possible across the country.

9th. My time has come!




Elite 151. If I change my mind, it will be to upgrade to the Elite 141 - but I'm pretty sure it will be the 151 for me. I'll be ordering it within a couple of days! :D :D :D

This Elite 141 is a mystery w/a lot of unanswered questions, and has my interest perked to the max. I definitely want to see them both before I make any buying decision. Also, I want to check out Pioneer's latest Elite Receivers & BD Players and how these components interact w/the Kuro. I may want to upgrade everything at the same time. Has Robert given you any info on this?

Question:

If I purchase a 6020, do I need to get one of the new Elite receivers to get the best possible picture or are last year's Elite models( 92txh or 94txh ) just as good?

Thanks

Rumor has it that the new receivers (and blu-ray players) have been engineered to work incredibly well with Pioneer plasmas. There aren't many details other than that those who saw and heard them were impressed. It remains to be seen if this is savvy marketing or a real value.

Delete Audio comment..

Nevermind...:D

Rick

From the 6020 brochure:


Plasma Display Systems, while in use, may generate some functional sounds, for example: fan motor noise, and electrical circuit humming/glass panel buzzing.

Plasma Display Systems, while in use, may generate some functional sounds, for example: fan motor noise, and electrical circuit humming/glass panel buzzing.


Is this just lawyer-ese, or are these potentially serious problems? Are there buzzing sounds from some of these panels? If these are considered normal, and I may be stuck with a buzzer set without the ability to exchange it, I think I would prefer going LCD instead. I hope this is lawyer-ese.

Also, are stuck pixels cause for return? I know they are very rare for Plasmas. But my reason for going Pioneer is that I want it not just to be good, but to be better than the alternatives.

/iaw

I can understand that, but I have called the 4 closest and NONE knew anything about the 9G panels. Well, one knew they were coming, but knew nothing about them except "that they will certainly be selling for list price, whatever that is." I informed him what the MSRP was and he said, 'that sounds about right.' Not exactly the local expert dealer I'm looking for. The next closest that is not a BB/Magnolia is out of the 200 mile range.


I'm in the same boat here, the only local dealer authorized to sell elites is freaking Magnolia. I hate going in there. All the small mom and pop stores that used to carry Pio either went out of business or are not allowed to carry elites...

I'd like to be able to purchase an elite online...

Sorry for wasting space here but thought I'd mention this: I noticed last year that there was a slight bezel width increase on the 6010/150 models compared to the 6070/1540. Seems this year the 9G may have reversed that trend and the 151 and 6020 have a slightly thinner bezel width than the 6070/1540.

Pioneer shot themselves in the foot bigtime by pulling the Elite line from the mom&pop dealers here in the NE and giving exclusivity to Magnolia. And they wonder why sales were not good enough to meet their numbers?

A local mom&pop store used to be an Elite dealer. The place offered great pricing and great service, and would have been able to sell many Elite sets the past year, had Pioneer not pulled the line from them. Maybe if they opened up their distribution chain again, their numbers would grow. In this day and age, I refuse to pay list price for anything, and combined with the fact my only local choice is Magnolia (who won't get anywhere reasonable with their pricing), I went with Panasonic. Sorry Pioneer. Maybe next purchase down the road, if you realize by then that giving Magnolia exclusitivity added another nail to your coffin!

Can someone confirm this? If only $30 per year, then this is essentially irrelevant on an individual level, but I suspect the amount may be much higher--though I hope not!


Savings = (8G watts - 9G watts) x Hours Per Day In Standby x 365 Days Per Year /1000 x Cost of Electricity in kWh.

My situation: Savings = (26-0.2) x 20 x 365 / 1000 x 0.11 = $20.72 per year

Jerry:
The thing is I have already pulled an extra $1000 to go from the Panny to the Pioneer 6020. I can't stretch anymore.

I understand.

For me i will be buying the pioneer pro 151fd either through roman o or a contact of mine.

I will probably be able to get a better deal through my contact though because i will be ordering a panamax power supply, logitech remote, stereo amplifier, and speaker cables along with the pioneer pro 151fd from him so he should give me the best deal.

Also he can help with installation.


I will give him a call tomorrow.

Hey Chad, at the risk of sounding like a record, there are reasons to think about standby consumption other than cost. Some of us consider it because we're frugal, some because of the environmental implications, and some for both reasons. As htwaits said,
And further, let's hope the improvement means no more inner-ear whining sound
when the TV is on standby! Man, do I hate that sound! :mad:

email this to pioneer team


Pioneer shot themselves in the foot bigtime by pulling the Elite line from the mom&pop dealers here in the NE and giving exclusivity to Magnolia. And they wonder why sales were not good enough to meet their numbers?

A local mom&pop store used to be an Elite dealer. The place offered great pricing and great service, and would have been able to sell many Elite sets the past year, had Pioneer not pulled the line from them. Maybe if they opened up their distribution chain again, their numbers would grow. In this day and age, I refuse to pay list price for anything, and combined with the fact my only local choice is Magnolia (who won't get anywhere reasonable with their pricing), I went with Panasonic. Sorry Pioneer. Maybe next purchase down the road, if you realize by then that giving Magnolia exclusitivity added another nail to your coffin!

Source ??

Can't remember off the top of my head but it wasn't a dream or delusion. I read daily CNET News, Wired News, endgadget, crave, electronista, etc. so I most likely saw it on one or two of those sites. I ain't searching for the source for you ... you'll have to believe me, or not, or do the research yourself.

Edit: The sources that others gave you do not mention the part about Pio sending engineers and techs to work on Pio's glass at Panny's factory, but I definitely read this either in a direct press release or a story quoting the press release.

Gus, the term "local B&M" is an acronym for "local Brick & Mortar" and means all large stores, whether Best Buy, Tweeter, Ultimate Electronics, Magnolia, etc.

A finer point here .... It doesn't just mean a "large" store ... it means any real, actual store vs an on-line virtual store.

A finer point here .... It doesn't just mean a "large" store ... it means any real, actual store vs an on-line virtual store.

more off topic stuff...

brick and mortar

The first time I ever heard the term was years ago already. Amazon was navigating uncharted waters so to speak with their strictly online business model nobody thought would work (including myself). At the time they were strickly into books, and people would compare them to their "brick & mortar" competitors like Barnes and Noble. How would they ever succeed without physical stores?!! Even after they went public it was a long time before they ever made an actual profit. Would they have made it this far if they had just stuck to selling books?

The problem arose when new sites popped up all over the internet with no clear business model for actually making money. Most of them never did and now they're gone. Ahhh, the memories of the dot com bubble. (the credit bubble is just beginning to burst, and it's going to get ugly)

Savings = (8G watts - 9G watts) x Hours Per Day In Standby x 365 Days Per Year /1000 x Cost of Electricity in kWh.

My situation: Savings = (26-0.2) x 20 x 365 / 1000 x 0.11 = $20.72 per year

Basically at 11 cents/kwhr, 26W standby power for a full year costs $25.05 compared with 0.2W standby power for a full year which costs $0.19.

This of course assumes being in standby 24/7 so it's the most that standby could cost you.

Rumor has it that the new receivers (and blu-ray players) have been engineered to work incredibly well with Pioneer plasmas. There aren't many details other than that those who saw and heard them were impressed. It remains to be seen if this is savvy marketing or a real value.

I think rumor is not a bad description. Perhaps:
Marketing and Resellers have it that .... :p

- Rich

You'll find the buzzing mentioned elsewhere in this thread and in other threads dedicated to it (best place to ask further questions would be there probably). But essentially, plasma sets are known to have some low buzzing sound which some people notice more than others. This is usually in a quiet room and sometimes only if you're right on top of the TV.

From the 6020 brochure:



Is this just lawyer-ese, or are these potentially serious problems? Are there buzzing sounds from some of these panels? If these are considered normal, and I may be stuck with a buzzer set without the ability to exchange it, I think I would prefer going LCD instead. I hope this is lawyer-ese.

Also, are stuck pixels cause for return? I know they are very rare for Plasmas. But my reason for going Pioneer is that I want it not just to be good, but to be better than the alternatives.

/iaw

I need to finally get the Sony 34XBR960 out of my bedroom. It's getting harder to figure out what to do with these older sets...

Rick

I have a 32XBR200 that has served me faithfully too, but its time has come as well.

Sony appears to run a recycling program together with Waste Management (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&categoryId=8198552921644513777&langId=-1&storeId=10151). Also, many localities have annual e-waste collection events or even curbside pickup; check with your local town or city hall.

As an alternative, there's bound to be somebody in the area who could use all of those easily-accessible inputs... I wonder if Goodwill will take it?

Here's some news that I believe people should be greatly interested!

Spoke to one of my contacts and the 6020's allocations are done and are to arrive on Tuesday.

IT'S 9G TIME!!!!

TODAY ? :)

It's unfortunate, but many small local dealers don't get much (if any) information on upcoming product until it gets here. At that point a Pioneer Rep. will come in and conduct a training. Let's be honest, most Sales people aren't reading these posts and don't keep up with this as much as we do. In fact, most of you guys posting/reading here know more than the Sales guy...at least until they get the product.

I applaud Pioneer for the internet pricing policy they have. They have not only their small local dealers in mind but also the end user. The fact is, the majority of striclty on-line dealers do NOT support their product in any way (AVS excluded of course!)

If it only comes down to PRICE, then the local dealer has not done their job.

If you are talking about the Pioneer Elite sales policies, I couldn't disagree more. Limiting internet sales from authorized dealers only helps the mediocre/bad dealers. The beauty of online sales is that I can choose to purchase from the BEST authorized Elite dealers (like many of the forum sponsors) instead of being forced to settle with a poorly informed local dealer or worse yet, BB/Magnolia. Its not my fault that the local dealer chooses to skip their homework on upcoming products. Even if I had to pay MSRP, I'd rather buy from one of the guys who regularly posts great information on avsforum than some local dealer who isn't even aware of the 9g release. If my only choice is to buy an Elite from a bad/mediocre overpriced dealer, or buy a different brand at a reputable online dealer for a fair price, I'll go with the different brand every time.

Basically at 11 cents/kwhr, 26W standby power for a full year costs $25.05 compared with 0.2W standby power for a full year which costs $0.19.

This of course assumes being in standby 24/7 so it's the most that standby could cost you.

My current set gets about 4-6 hours of standby time. I'm more intrested in knowing the ON time consumption. The spec sheets don't show and nobody knows so, I either got to wait till Cnets review or call Pioneer.

I have a 32XBR200 that has served me faithfully too, but its time has come as well.

Sony appears to run a recycling program together with Waste Management (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&categoryId=8198552921644513777&langId=-1&storeId=10151). Also, many localities have annual e-waste collection events or even curbside pickup; check with your local town or city hall.

As an alternative, there's bound to be somebody in the area who could use all of those easily-accessible inputs... I wonder if Goodwill will take it?

Too bad the recycle thing requires you to lug the set to the collection point! I have both 36" and 32" XBRs to get rid of.

So a question for our forum sponsors - do you expect to receive the new panels this week, as russwong has suggested?

So a question for our forum sponsors - do you expect to receive the new panels this week, as russwong has suggested?

Russwong is correct, they are available and ready to go!

Thanks,
Bob Doseck
Plasma Concepts

I can't imagine how many threads and posts are on the horizon.
Especially with the staggered release of the 9g's.
There will be plenty of good information to read all day everyday soon enough :)

Just pre-ordered the 6020 from Value Electronics. This is replacing my MD5880N I purchased just over 2 years ago. It was a great TV but the light engine just went and all the colors are washed out. I hope to get more than 2 years out of the 6020. Now I will have to upgrade my receiver since it only supports HDMI 1.2... this is an endless battle.

Off topic.
I have the Pioneer Elite VSX81TXV and Paradigm Cinema CT 110 speakers. Anyone know of a decent receiver that will complement the new TV that supports the new audio formats under a $1000? Edit: Should I even upgrade??

Home theater:
Receiver: Pioneer VSX81TXV
Speakers: Paradigm Cinema CT 110 Home Theater Package
DVD: Panasonic S97
Remote: Harmony 890
Cable Box: SA 8300HD

Just pre-ordered the 6020 from Value Electronics. This is replacing my MD5880N I purchased just over 2 years ago. It was a great TV but the light engine just went and all the colors are washed out. I hope to get more than 2 years out of the 6020. Now I will have to upgrade my receiver since it only supports HDMI 1.2... this is an endless battle.

Off topic.
I have the Pioneer Elite VSX81TXV and Paradigm Cinema CT 110 speakers. Anyone know of a decent receiver that will complement the new TV that supports the new audio formats under a $1000? Edit: Should I even upgrade??

Home theater:
Receiver: Pioneer VSX81TXV
Speakers: Paradigm Cinema CT 110 Home Theater Package
DVD: Panasonic S97
Remote: Harmony 890
Cable Box: SA 8300HD

Don't bother upgrading. There still is no compelling reason to go with an HDMI 1.3 receiver. Just grab a Blu-Ray player that can output HD audio through PCM. I think the Panasonic and the new Samsung are the only ones that can, but don't quote me.

I know Magnolia isn't the best choice, especially if it's your only choice, as it is for me. I have to say, however, that when I went to my Magnolia and let the Mananger know how much Tweeter was selling the Pro 151FD for, he was willing to go hundreds under the MSRP in an effort to keep my business. I know this price doesn't match online prices, but I truly didn't think they would discount at all, as they have already presold 6 151s at MSRP. I also have to note that along with the purchase of the 151, I bought a set of Monitor Audio speakers at a price that matched online dealers. The Manager now understands that I am informed and he must be competitive to keep my business, but that I will buy if he has the price...his words paraphrased. He also understands that I know the value of his return policy.

So a question for our forum sponsors - do you expect to receive the new panels this week, as russwong has suggested? They are in, they are in ;) PDP-6020FD any way......

They are in, they are in ;) PDP-6020FD any way......

When will you be allowed to ship them out?

Must have been a lucky guess :)

Russwong is correct, they are available and ready to go!

Thanks,
Bob Doseck
Plasma Concepts

My current set gets about 4-6 hours of standby time. I'm more intrested in knowing the ON time consumption. The spec sheets don't show and nobody knows so, I either got to wait till Cnets review or call Pioneer.

The power on consumption is also lower, but only slightly lower by around 10W. When you are consuming 400+ W, 10W probably doesn't matter much as it fluctuates with scenes and power modes. But in Standby, the value is there and hence the new energy star rating.

From one of my contacts, they go out immediately. Receive today, shipped today.

Russ

When will you be allowed to ship them out?

are these limited supplies? Or are we talking about most or all of the preorders should be filled?

They are in, they are in ;) PDP-6020FD any way......

What's even better they are free when you add them to you cart at Cleveland Plasma :p

- Rich

are these limited supplies? Or are we talking about most or all of the preorders should be filled?

Limited

What about the 5020s?

^^^ No show yet.......

are these limited supplies? Or are we talking about most or all of the preorders should be filled?

They will be limited, but there will be some available after preorders are filled. Also, if you order today, it will ship today, or tomorrow at the latest.

Thanks,
Bob Doseck
Plasma Concepts
List of Pioneer Authorized Stores (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/FindStore/Buy+Pioneer+Products+on+the+Internet)

We're expecting someone to start an owner's thread tomorrow and give us a comparison on the 6010 and 6020 ;).

There will be a ton available after the preorders. However, it would feel good to be the first on the block! I am thinking of putting my reservation in...

Chris

Must have been a lucky guess :)

Beginner’s luck! ;)

Can anyone who's seen the 6020 comment on whether or not it came in at the previously reported MSRP or lower?

;13955017']Can anyone who's seen the 6020 comment on whether or not it came in at the previously reported MSRP or lower?

Expect the pricing to be comparable to Panasonic and Samsung.

Chris

No reviews yet? ;) :D

Any word on the Elites?

Very, very limited but we are starting to ship 6020's.

;13955017']Can anyone who's seen the 6020 comment on whether or not it came in at the previously reported MSRP or lower?

MSRP is still $5499 as far as I know and it's not the $4999 that was mentioned earlier unfortunately.

And so it begins.

Too bad the recycle thing requires you to lug the set to the collection point! I have both 36" and 32" XBRs to get rid of.

Well, if you haven't abused your TV's beyond recognition, you could always put them up for sale on Craig's List at no cost.

Just curious. How you do you purchase an Elite plasma from a sponsor and still get the full warranty. Many people have mentioned a ship to radius and possibly no internet sales.

With that being said, how do you get an Elite plasma and not shoot yourself in the foot if something goes wrong with it and still get a great deal through the forum sponsors?

And so it begins.

When are you going to give us a prefessional review of the 6020? :)

When are you going to give us a prefessional review of the 6020? :)As soon as I can get my hands on one :)

Well, if you haven't abused your TV's beyond recognition, you could always put them up for sale on Craig's List at no cost.

I will try the charities first and if they don't take big CRTs then I'll try to sell them.

I got the 6020 for a steal of a price from Value Electronics. Feel free to PM me for price. My wife is quite happy! I am thinking about an extend warranty.

-kkgsxr

My 6020 is being delivered tomorrow! I went back and forth for months trying to decide between another plasma or LCD (most recently, the Samsung LED lit 81). But I'm giving the new Pioneer a bash. I'll be paying particular attention to its brightness; we already know that the blacks are unbeatable, but I'm still concerned over its overall brightness, despite it being an almost taboo subject for some around here. Hopefully, I'll be judging it all tomorrow in my darkened shrine...

Please put up a review when you get your 9G!

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Will do!

What's even better they are free when you add them to you cart at Cleveland Plasma :p

- Rich
You are correct, $0 pricing when added to cart at Cleveland Plasma. I ordered a dozen, but then had some concern that the shipping might be a couple of grand each. :)

Well, I think I did today what D-Nice is doing. I ordered my 151 and a 46" Panny 800U as a bedroom set. I am broke but I think I will be very happy in the next few weeks.

I just called and you can order a 6020 today and it will ship tommorrow!!!:)

Expect the pricing to be comparable to Panasonic and Samsung.

Chris


Hmm... How comparable? Within $200?

Hmm... How comparable? Within $200?

Call or send a PM. It's faster than posting to the thread.

Your question more properly goes to the Blu Ray forum but the numbers you reference are for the video DACs for people using component cables/inputs, rather than HDMI.
so does that mean that as long as I use HDMI cables, there is no difference in PQ?

I`m sorry if this question is off topic...

Yeah, I know that Robert was recently approved to sell the non-eliite plasmas nationwide!! For elites, he's still bound by the 250 mile limit.
Hi Vashti,

I have a question for you

I am getting the pro 151fd and tx-nr905 onkyo receiver and a oppo 980 + a blu-ray player(Brand not decided yet). I was wondering how I should run the cables to get the best results.
-- the plan i have in my mind is to run the hdmi from the blu ray to the TV and and run a optical or coaxial cable from the blu ray player to the nr-905. Would that give me good results or are there any better ways of doing this

Hi Vashti,

I have a question for you

I am getting the pro 151fd and tx-nr905 onkyo receiver and a oppo 980 + a blu-ray player(Brand not decided yet). I was wondering how I should run the cables to get the best results.
-- the plan i have in my mind is to run the hdmi from the blu ray to the TV and and run a optical or coaxial cable from the blu ray player to the nr-905. Would that give me good results or are there any better ways of doing this

You should be running HDMI from the 980 and the Blu-ray player to the receiver, then HDMI from the receiver to the TV.

HDMI carries both video AND audio.

Okay, I'm a bit confused. Wouldn't it be possible to do it either way? I was planning on replicating his first scenario too. Then again, I don't have a receiver with hdmi inputs. But what is the advantage, even if one could, of putting the receiver in the middle? Wouldn't it be useful to send picture directly from blu-ray player to TV?

-- the plan i have in my mind is to run the hdmi from the blu ray to the TV and and run a optical or coaxial cable from the blu ray player to the nr-905. Would that give me good results or are there any better ways of doing this


If you want to play and hear all the new surround sound formats, then you must set it up as. Blu-ray with it's HDMI output to the HDMI input of the 905, and then from the 905 HDMI output over to the 151 using it's HDMI input. If you hook it up in the way you mention, via a optical or coaxial from a TV's output, you will not be able to play and hear any of the new surround formats.

The only way to get lossless audio from Blu-ray is to send it through the HDMI cable to the receiver, or use analog outputs if the Blu-ray player has them and can decode the audio internally. You won't get lossless sound using the optical output.

And so it begins.

I know, it's wild! Can't wait to hear your reviews and compares to the 8G.

You should be running HDMI from the 980 and the Blu-ray player to the receiver, then HDMI from the receiver to the TV.

HDMI carries both video AND audio.
I am under the assumption that it is always better to run the hdmi cable to the TV directly and not through the receiver so that the AV receiver does not interfere in the picture scaling/processing especially now with all the latest receivers doing 1080p or 1080i upconversion.

Does it not defeat the whole purpose of the superior inbuilt scaler in the pro-151/pro-141FD

If I run the HDMI directly from the DVD/BD player to the TV, then I might get the best PQ results out of the TV...but I remember reading somewhere that digital optical/coaxial audio cables do not support DTS-HD and also the Dolby-HD audio unlike the HDMI cables (pardon my terminology..I`m referring to the blu-ray sound here) ...so I`m totally confused about what to do here....
On one hand I might compromise in the PQ if i run HDMI thru the receiver but I can get good sound
and if I run HDMI from the DVD/BD player to TV directly ,then I might get good PQ,but will end up compromising on the audio by using the optical/coaxial cables

I am getting the pro 151fd and tx-nr905 onkyo receiver and a oppo 980 + a blu-ray player(Brand not decided yet). I was wondering how I should run the cables to get the best results.
-- the plan i have in my mind is to run the hdmi from the blu ray to the TV and and run a optical or coaxial cable from the blu ray player to the nr-905. Would that give me good results or are there any better ways of doing thisIf you do that you will miss out on the Blu-ray lossless codec audio.

Just run both your DVD players (when you get the Blu-ray) to the 905 using HDMI. Then use a HDMI connection from the 905 to the display. I'm assuming that you will always want to use your surround sound when watching movies.

Can anyone who's seen the 6020 comment on whether or not it came in at the previously reported MSRP or lower?MSRP is still $5499 as far as I know and it's not the $4999 that was mentioned earlier unfortunately.And so it begins.http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/pioneer-pdp-price.JPG

(source: Pioneer Continues to Surpass Black Level Performance with New Line of 2008 KURO Televisions (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/PressRoom/Press+Releases/Pioneer+Continues+to+Surpass+Black+Level+Performance+with+Ne w+Line+of+2008+KURO+Televisions))

The only way to get lossless audio from Blu-ray is to send it through the HDMI cable to the receiver, or use analog outputs if the Blu-ray player has them and can decode the audio internally. You won't get lossless sound using the optical output.
Either I have to get an AV receiver which will give me a smooth pass through of the HDMI picture without any kind of internal scaling and thus preserve the advanced surround sound

or

I will have to get a BD/DVD player which had inbuilt surround sound decoding capability and use the anolog cables

I am under the assumption that it is always better to run the hdmi cable to the TV directly and not through the receiver so that the AV receiver does not interfere in the picture scaling/processing especially now with all the latest receivers doing 1080p or 1080i upconversion.I expect that your 905 will pass the video through without making any changes.

Does it not defeat the whole purpose of the superior inbuilt scaler in the pro-151/pro-141FDIt won't as long as the 905 is correctly configured.

On one hand I might compromise in the PQ if i run HDMI thru the receiver You won't.

The only way to get lossless audio from Blu-ray is to send it through the HDMI cable to the receiver, or use analog outputs if the Blu-ray player has them and can decode the audio internally. You won't get lossless sound using the optical output.


Will you get lossless PQ because you're running hdmi cables all over the place? :)

Will you get lossless PQ because you're running hdmi cables all over the place? :)No, too many connections & component switching = lost PQ.

Direct connections between A/V equipment is always best.

Either I have to get an AV receiver which will give me a smooth pass through of the HDMI picture without any kind of internal scaling and thus preserve the advanced surround sound

or

I will have to get a BD/DVD player which had inbuilt surround sound decoding capability and use the anolog cablesThat's true, but there are a lot of newer model A/V receivers that will do the first option. The Onkyo receivers from their 606 through the top of the line will all do it correctly. They will also decode all the codec options.

Will you get lossless PQ because you're running hdmi cables all over the place? :)

It's digital, so there will be no change in the video or audio data, regardless of how many cable and connections you have.

The only way you will have a problem is if a component in the chain is defective and does not copy the data correctly, or if a component actively processes the data and alters it.

I am under the assumption that it is always better to run the hdmi cable to the TV directly and not through the receiver so that the AV receiver does not interfere in the picture scaling/processing especially now with all the latest receivers doing 1080p or 1080i upconversion.

Does it not defeat the whole purpose of the superior inbuilt scaler in the pro-151/pro-141FD

If I run the HDMI directly from the DVD/BD player to the TV, then I might get the best PQ results out of the TV...but I remember reading somewhere that digital optical/coaxial audio cables do not support DTS-HD and also the Dolby-HD audio unlike the HDMI cables (pardon my terminology..I`m referring to the blu-ray sound here) ...so I`m totally confused about what to do here....
On one hand I might compromise in the PQ if i run HDMI thru the receiver but I can get good sound
and if I run HDMI from the DVD/BD player to TV directly ,then I might get good PQ,but will end up compromising on the audio by using the optical/coaxial cables

The receiver will NOT interfere with your HDMI signal if it's set to pass-through, if you send it 1080i over HDMI it will output 1080i over HDMI, leaving the signal untouched.

You are correct about optical not supporting DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD, but you're wrong about coaxial cables. IF the Blu-ray player can decode the DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD internally (not many can), the player can then send it out over the analog coaxial to the receiver. The upcoming Pioneer BDP-05FD/BDP-51FD Blu-ray players will be able to decode all the different audio codecs and send them over 7.1 channel analog cables. In that scenario, you would be sending the audio from the player to the receiver via analog cables and would be free to send the HDMI directly to the TV.

Again though, there is no loss of quality by sending the HDMI through the receiver first, as long as it's set to pass-through the signal.

Will you get lossless PQ because you're running hdmi cables all over the place? :)I'm not sure what you mean. :confused:

One HDMI cable input to the receiver for each lossless input device. Then one output HDMI cable to the display regardless of how many devices were connected to the receiver using HDMI.

The digital HDMI signal will not be changed unless a device in the chain is defective or configured wrong. As HDPeeT wrote, use "pass through".

I'm not positive about the 905, but my 805 can pass though HDMI video unaltered, and has a very good video-switch. I have everything (computer, PS3, and HD cablebox) going into my 805, and one HDMI going to my Display. It works just fine, with no loss in PQ.

-Coggs

i run my bluray through my receiver with hdmi to get the lossless audio, then via hdmi to the tv.

i run my cable box straight to my tv through hdmi for picture, but do digital sound through my receiver with infrared.

though my reciever is supposed to upconvert the cable box picture fine, the loss in pq is noticable as opposed to going straight into the tv...

I got a large response on my offer to share the price form VE. Took me an hour to responded to everyone. I don't have a shipping date but will post one as soon as I get it. I will also post pics of the new TV when it is all setup.

Sounds like an Official Owners Thread will be open tomorrow... Looking forward to joining everyone there.

-kkgsxr

The digital HDMI signal will not be changed unless a device in the chain is defective or configured wrong. As HDPeeT wrote, use "pass through".


I was thinking signal degrading. With pass through does the receiver use any video processing of it's own? Is the lossless sound really noticeable?

Also, the only receiver that I know of which can pass-through unaltered video from a device connected by component cables is the 606, but I imagine the 806 and 906 will be out soon.

-Coggs

Off topic:
What do you do with a 58" DLP TV the Kuro is replacing? I live in central NJ. What is everyone else doing with their old sets?

-kkgsxr

though my reciever is supposed to upconvert the cable box picture fine, the loss in pq is noticable as opposed to going straight into the tv...Have you tried a CableCARD?

It is amazing that all of the "sheep" in this forum (myself included) will spend $$$$ for a supposed high-end PDP & then front-end it with some crappy SA8300 STB. :rolleyes:

I was thinking signal degrading. With pass through does the receiver use any video processing of it's own?

The whole point of pass-through is to "PASS-THROUGH" the video UNprocessed. As long as it does that properly, the signal will not be degraded.

Is the lossless sound really noticeable?

That depends on how good your audio system is.

I was thinking signal degrading. With pass through does the receiver use any video processing of it's own?

When pass-though is activated the AVR will not preform any processing.

-Coggs

I'm not positive about the 905, but my 805 can pass though HDMI video unaltered, and has a very good video-switch. I have everything (computer, PS3, and HD cablebox) going into my 805, and one HDMI going to my Display. It works just fine, with no loss in PQ.

-Coggs
The only way you can tell the difference is if you try both direct to TV mode and also the receiver pass through modes on your own.... some people do notice the difference

I`m glad that i have not purchased the NR905 yet because it looks like the onkyo 905 is expensive only because of the 1080p upconversion + HD radio and some other minor features....If I am gonna set my receiver to "pass through" I can buy any of the medium level receivers ( however I`m not sure which ones will do a smooth uneventful "pass through" because lot of professional reviews don`t seem to agree with the "pass through" claim)

I was thinking signal degrading.There is no digital siganl loss over normal distances.

With pass through does the receiver use any video processing of it's own?Only is you don't use a pass through mode.

Is the lossless sound really noticeable?I think so. So do a lot of others.

Do you thing HDTV is noticeable?;)

The receiver will NOT interfere with your HDMI signal if it's set to pass-through, if you send it 1080i over HDMI it will output 1080i over HDMI, leaving the signal untouched.

You are correct about optical not supporting DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD, but you're wrong about coaxial cables. IF the Blu-ray player can decode the DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD internally (not many can), the player can then send it out over the analog coaxial to the receiver. The upcoming Pioneer BDP-05FD/BDP-51FD Blu-ray players will be able to decode all the different audio codecs and send them over 7.1 channel analog cables. In that scenario, you would be sending the audio from the player to the receiver via analog cables and would be free to send the HDMI directly to the TV.

Again though, there is no loss of quality by sending the HDMI through the receiver first, as long as it's set to pass-through the signal.
So what happens with the Co-axial cable...does it support the HD sound formats?

So what happens with the Co-axial cable...does it support the HD sound formats?

No, coaxial does not support HD formats. You need HDMI or analog outputs if the player can decode it.

So what happens with the Co-axial cable...does it support the HD sound formats?

I don't think I used the term "coaxial" correctly. When I said coaxial, I was referring to the analog audio outputs. Digital coaxial outputs do not support the HD sound formats.

If the player can decode the HD formats internally, they can then be sent over the analog audio outputs.

As soon as I can get my hands on one :)

Dnice,
Didnt Robert say he would send you one to do your review/settings on??:D

Does the Onkyo 605 support passthrough? Or just the 606?

I'm planning to hook up the PS3 to the Onkyo, then my legacy DVD player to the Pio's component input.

I`m glad that i have not purchased the NR905 yet because it looks like the onkyo 905 is expensive only because of the 1080p upconversion + HD radio and some other minor features....If I am gonna set my receiver to "pass through" I can buy any of the medium level receivers ( however I`m not sure which ones will do a smooth uneventful "pass through" because lot of professional reviews don`t seem to agree with the "pass through" claim)

If I was to buy a receiver right now, it'd either be the 606 (4xHMDI inputs), or a 805. They have great components, HDMI switches, functions, and are overall great AVR's.

-Coggs

Does the Onkyo 605 support passthrough? Or just the 606?

I'm planning to hook up the PS3 to the Onkyo, then my legacy DVD player to the Pio's component input.
Yes the 605 does HDMI pass-through.

-Coggs

Man I am having a hard time not picking up the phone and ordering a 6020.
Don't know if I can stop myself and hold out for the 151.
Heaven help me! :D

Have you tried a CableCARD?

It is amazing that all of the "sheep" in this forum (myself included) will spend $$$$ for a supposed high-end PDP & then front-end it with some crappy SA8300 STB. :rolleyes:

Unfortunately the 6020 does not have a CableCard, or so I heard. Can anyone confirm this? My current DLP set has CableCARD and I love it. This is the reason for not ordering a 6020 yet, I am waiting for the price of 6010 to drop so I can pick one of the last ones...

If I was to buy a receiver right now, it'd either be the 606 (4xHMDI inputs), or a 805. They have great components, HDMI switches, functions, and are overall great AVR's.

-Coggs
Can you please tell me the exact model numbers for the 606 and also the 805.... Are these one of those 1080p upconverting receivers or just the HDMI receivers (w/ pass through)

Can you please tell me the exact model numbers for the 606 and also the 805.... Are these one of those 1080p upconverting receivers or just the HDMI receivers (w/ pass through)
Onkyo TX-SR805, and TX-SR606. Both of them upconvert, but both also have the ability to do an unadulterated pass-through.

-Coggs

If I was to buy a receiver right now, it'd either be the 606 (4xHMDI inputs), or a 805. They have great components, HDMI switches, functions, and are overall great AVR's.

-Coggs

Yes, Onkyo has some good products, but first I want to check out the new Pioneer Receivers that are supposed to have some sort of special integration w/their big cousin Pioneer Kuro Displays & little nephew Pioneer BD Players. There may be advantages in this all-Pioneer system integration that are not available to the other brands. I'm anxious & waiting to find out.

Check out the site named after a river, I've had my 805 for over a year and at that coinage you cant go wrong. Perfect companion to a Kuro.

Don't forget forum sponsors also.

Man I am having a hard time not picking up the phone and ordering a 6020.
Don't know if I can stop myself and hold out for the 151.
Heaven help me! :D


151...151...151....

Check out the site named after a river, I've had my 805 for over a year and at that coinage you cant go wrong. Perfect companion to a Kuro.

Yangtze.com? ;)

How much is the 6020 ELITE going to run ??

Trying to figure out if i can stretch my budget and go with a Elite.....

Yes, Onkyo has some good products, but first I want to check out the new Pioneer Receivers that are supposed to have some sort of special integration w/their big cousin Pioneer Kuro Displays & little nephew Pioneer BD Players. There may be advantages in this all-Pioneer system integration that are not available to the other brands. I'm anxious & waiting to find out.
Thanks Coggs,HDPEET,HTwaits,optivity and all others for your input....

As far as the pioneer receivers are concerned, I think they are way too overpriced for what they provide, and Onkyo has carved a great niche for their receivers at reasonable prices...so i am not buying this so called special integration theory about the receivers form pioneer and so as their BD players

And so it begins.

Kosh, is that you?

Yes, Onkyo has some good products, but first I want to check out the new Pioneer Receivers that are supposed to have some sort of special integration w/their big cousin Pioneer Kuro Displays & little nephew Pioneer BD Players. There may be advantages in this all-Pioneer system integration that are not available to the other brands. I'm anxious & waiting to find out.
do you know if the 805 has a pass through without any up or down conversion... it does not mention about that in the specs

Thanks Coggs,HDPEET,HTwaits,optivity and all others for your input....

As far as the pioneer receivers are concerned, I think they are way too overpriced for what they provide, and Onkyo has carved a great niche for their receivers at reasonable prices...so i am not buying this so called special integration theory about the receivers form pioneer and so as their BD players

Can't say either way since not one of these products are sitting in any person's home right now. I'll reserve judgement for the actual release & demo, as I've learned long ago that speculations are often wrong.

Yes, Onyko has a pretty good rep for receivers, but so do Pioneers. There are many Pioneer Receiver threads on the Forum too, and their owners & users are just as pleased as Onkyo owners.

I'm not positive about the 905, but my 805 can pass though HDMI video unaltered, and has a very good video-switch. I have everything (computer, PS3, and HD cablebox) going into my 805, and one HDMI going to my Display. It works just fine, with no loss in PQ.

-Coggs

Same here with my 705. AT&T U-Verse IPTV HDTV-DVR STB and Oppo DV-981HD to the Onkyo TX-SR705. So you should be OK with a 905.

...Looking forward to receiving my pre-ordered 6020.

I am right on the fence for the 6020FD. Well see...

Chris

according to this best buy ad, they have limited qaunities of the 5010. does that mean the new plasmas will be arriving at bb soon?

http://bestbuy.shoplocal.com/bestbuy/Default.aspx?action=browsepageflash&storeid=2413334&rapid=552441&pagenumber=1&prvid=052508BA&promotioncode=052508BA

help help

which forum sponsors are able to sell elites??
Could someone please PM me some prices for some dealers that ship to alabama and manufacturers warranty is not void?
Thankyouverymuch, Elvis

Alot of receiver talk this evening....

My trusty ole Denon may need to be replaced soon as well since its features do not include HDMI or HD audio.

I've been looking at Pioneer receivers, Onkyo and Denon. Currently I'm leaning towards another Denon, like the 2309 which will be out in a couple months. I've had my Denon for at least 6 years now and its been a great receiver. One feature I like is Denon's "5 channel stereo" and on the new ones it's "7 channel stereo". I love using this feature for listening to music. Does Onkyo or Pioneer have a feature like that on their AVR's? If so, I haven't seen it mentioned.

Kosh, is that you?

Only the Shadows know.

Kosh, is that you?

Only the Shadows know.

Why do I feel like such a nerd for getting this joke.. :rolleyes:

Best Buy seems to have the best price going for a 5010 FD. It's really low. I know 5x deeper blacks sounds impressive but will it be that significant in real terms? Any compelling reasons not to take a 5010 other than reports that the 5020 will be better? The price on the 501o is tempting.

Thanks.

Man I am having a hard time not picking up the phone and ordering a 6020.
Don't know if I can stop myself and hold out for the 151.
Heaven help me! :DYou can get a 6020... If you want to be cursed again.

Best Buy seems to have the best price going for a 5010 FD. It's really low. I know 5x deeper blacks sounds impressive but will it be that significant in real terms? Any compelling reasons not to take a 5010 other than reports that the 5020 will be better? The price on the 501o is tempting.

Thanks.


er, you REALLY need to call Deb or Alex @ Invision. REALLY!

Post deleted to help reduce useless complaint cludder

Can't say either way since not one of these products are sitting in any person's home right now. I'll reserve judgement for the actual release & demo, as I've learned long ago that speculations are often wrong.

Yes, Onyko has a pretty good rep for receivers, but so do Pioneers. There are many Pioneer Receiver threads on the Forum too, and their owners & users are just as pleased as Onkyo owners.

funny, I just inquired with audyssey about their new dynamic volume system that is coming into the denon receivers, even cheap ones. if you are interested in hearing dialog at low volumes clearly, this feture would probably tilt you towards denon---even though I would have preferred onkyo myself.

PS, side observation: unless our AVSFORUM participating dealers are a lot more expensive, I want to bring my purchase to one of them. they are doing us a service vis-a-vis average BM

http://www.abt.com/product/35275.html

Is this a mistake that it says 1 year for parts and labor under MFG warranty? I thought I read that the Elites are still 2 year warranties. Also could it be that the 2 year warranty is only through certain dealers?

Thanks.

Is this a mistake that it says 1 year for parts and labor under MFG warranty? I thought I read that the Elites are still 2 year warranties. Also could it be that the 2 year warranty is only through certain dealers?

Thanks.

I am pretty sure it is 2 years for elites.
Go to first page of this thread and D-nice has a chart that states it. And we all Trust the stuff D-nice puts in his posts!

Hey guys,
Someone was asking me which had the better PQ:
The 9th gen. 5020 or the 8th gen. Pro-110FD?
I am not sure what the answer would be to this question but I think i remember D-nice or someone else saying that they thought the 6020 was superior to the Pro-150fd, which I am sure would apply to the 50inchers also.
Does anyone know or remember where this question was asked before? This thread has gotten too big to go hunting for it.
Thanks guys

I am pretty sure it is 2 years for elites.
Go to first page of this thread and D-nice has a chart that states it. And we all Trust the stuff D-nice puts in his posts!

All elite's carry 2 yr warranty



Hey guys,
Someone was asking me which had the better PQ:
The 9th gen. 5020 or the 8th gen. Pro-110FD?
I am not sure what the answer would be to this question but I think i remeber D-nice or someone else saying that they thought the 6020 was superior to the Pro-150fd, which I am sure would apply to the 50inchers also.
Does anyone know or remember where this question was asked before? This thread has gotten too big to go hunting for it.
Thanks guys


i was the one that asked robert and he stated that the 9g 5020 or 6020 would be better....

I'm really surprised the PDP-6020FDs came in so early but the PDP-5020FDs seem nowhere to be found.

Please give us a heads up when they arrive, russwong.

That suprises me a little bit. I know with the lowered black levels the contrast also rises, but with the ideal colors of the elites it is still a 'little suprising' to me.
If the 20's are better overall than the 07 Elites, talk about Pioneer dominating the market with their last pure Pio. PDP.
:thumbsup: Pioneer.

All elite's carry 2 yr warranty


I couldn't find the policy on anything official from Pioneer. Do you have a link so I can show it to the store if I want to get it from them.

Thanks.

I couldn't find the policy on anything official from Pioneer. Do you have a link so I can show it to the store if I want to get it from them.

Thanks.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/29529538HEelite.pdf

I have about 60 inches of clearance for a 9G Pio. I can go 111FD or 6020FD (but sadly not 151FD). This is gonna be a TV in my bedroom primarily for HTPC use (1080p blu-ray, PC gaming @ 1080p, and down the road PS3) Viewing distance will be probably 7ft max. I would love to hear everyone's advice on what would be the best investment.

Is the 111FD the best buy with elite features, best PQ, side speakers, etc, for the distance/space Im looking at? Or is the 6020FD with the bigger video screen a better buy? (sacrificing some PQ, picture controls, side speakers, longer warranty, and the little 'elite' logo for a bigger screen size?). Useful opinions requested!

This is a little off topic but, I am getting ready for my new set and trying to configure my Harmony 890. They don't have the 6020 on the list of devices but have the 6010. Will the 6010 have the remote codes compatible with the 6020? I guess this is a good problem to have...

Thanks,
kkgsxr

This is a little off topic but, I am getting ready for my new set and trying to configure my Harmony 890. They don't have the 6020 on the list of devices but have the 6010. Will the 6010 have the remote codes compatible with the 6020? I guess this is a good problem to have...

Thanks,
kkgsxr

From my limited experience they are pretty good about updating their database so I'd expect it to be updated shortly. On a side note I'd guess the use the same commands as it's fairly common for the basic commands on a TV remote to be the same when you are using the same brand.

How much is the 6020 ELITE going to run ??

Trying to figure out if i can stretch my budget and go with a Elite.....

The Elite is probably going to cost in the ballpark of $1100 more than the non-elite.

Check out the site named after a river, I've had my 805 for over a year and at that coinage you cant go wrong. Perfect companion to a Kuro.

Don't forget forum sponsors also.

I had an 805 and it sounded nice, but the audio lag and lip sync issues made it unusable for me. I went with a Pioneer VSX-94TXH instead. I am hoping to pair it up with a new 6020.

Usually, but not always, lip-sync is source provider related.
Did it give you sync issues with SD and BR discs? Do you have sattelite t.v.?

I had an 805 and it sounded nice, but the audio lag and lip sync issues made it unusable for me. I went with a Pioneer VSX-94TXH instead. I am hoping to pair it up with a new 6020.

Both audio lag and lip sync issues on the 805 Onk have been addressed for the most part by the latest 1.08 firmware. Lip sync is subject to cable/satellite broadcast.

i'd say since your are in a 7ft distince 50 is enough for 1080p 60 is great but i dont like the trade off size vs PQ only you know that answer but if it was me i'd take PQ of 111FD over a reg 60"


I have about 60 inches of clearance for a 9G Pio. I can go 111FD or 6020FD (but sadly not 151FD). This is gonna be a TV in my bedroom primarily for HTPC use (1080p blu-ray, PC gaming @ 1080p, and down the road PS3) Viewing distance will be probably 7ft max. I would love to hear everyone's advice on what would be the best investment.

Is the 111FD the best buy with elite features, best PQ, side speakers, etc, for the distance/space Im looking at? Or is the 6020FD with the bigger video screen a better buy? (sacrificing some PQ, picture controls, side speakers, longer warranty, and the little 'elite' logo for a bigger screen size?). Useful opinions requested!

Debating between the VSX-03TXH, 94TXH and SC-05 to go along with a new 9G (probably the 151)

Do people know if the 94TXH will have the special integration that Pioneer mentioned with using one of the new receivers with the Kuro (do you think that is just marketing BS that there will be special integration)?

well no one knows for sure but then again didnt robert claimed results?



Debating between the VSX-03TXH, 94TXH and SC-05 to go along with a new 9G (probably the 151)

Do people know if the 94TXH will have the special integration that Pioneer mentioned with using one of the new receivers with the Kuro (do you think that is just marketing BS that there will be special integration)?

Do the 9G Pioneers output 5.1 sound via its optical output.

Usually, but not always, lip-sync is source provider related.
Did it give you sync issues with SD and BR discs? Do you have sattelite t.v.?

Blu Ray, DVD, cable and xbox 360 all had sync problems with the 805. It also ran really hot.

Do the 9G Pioneers output 5.1 sound via its optical output.

Hmmm. I think that answer will always be yes.
It appears the discussion is in reference to the passthru of video/optical signals (HDMI) via a cable to the receiver. That cable then goes to the Display Device.

No need for separate optical and video now that we have HDMI.

Just a thought.

Don't mean to interfere.

I had an 805 and it sounded nice, but the audio lag and lip sync issues made it unusable for me. I went with a Pioneer VSX-94TXH instead. I am hoping to pair it up with a new 6020.

I have a 705. It has an adjustable lip sync function. I suspect the higher-end models also have that function.

Can someone please PM me the invisions and Roman-O price of the 5020??
Thanks
I appreciate it.

Why don't you just pick up the phone and ask them yourself ... instead of asking others to do it for you and crowding this forum with yet another useless post.

Why don't you just pick up the phone and ask them yourself ... instead of asking others to do it for you and crowding this forum with yet another useless post.

It seems to me that your post is the useless one that is cluddering up the thread not mine.
I am asking other members for info about the 9th generation plioneer plasmas which is the topic this thread is dedicated to.
Not that I have to explain anything to you but I didn't call becasue I don't have a phone to use and they were not answering my pm's yet.
Why don't you lighten up please. I just dont understand why people like you appoint yourself to be the "thread police". Are you the guy who took names when the teacher was absent in school??
If you don't like my post then skip right past it and move on. Just keep your rude comments to yourself please.
By the way, I got numerous PM's from courteous members and regulars of this thread that were happy to send me the prices.
It seems the only person with problems with it (and disruptiing the thread) is you!

actually no hes not the only one that may be botherd by the "PM me info or can someone pm for me" theirs quite a few members that are botherd but dont want to clutter up more space then nessary or get into a none sense talk.....

you just have to be paticent (miss spell?) for people to respond via pm and yeah this thread is going to get off topic like right now but lets try to keep it the least OT as possible....

back on thread any informtive members do you guys have any info dates or such more new stuff regarding the PRO-111FD?

^^ I don't know if it's a great idea, but perhaps a list of Pioneer sponsors
should be in the OP so folks can just click on a sponsor and PM them any
questions. It would be great to indicate if they are an elite dealer or not.

i have the VSX-92TXH, and i was wondering will the new 6020 show the volume on the tv like last years elite model did?

i have the VSX-92TXH, and i was wondering will the new 6020 show the volume on the tv like last years elite model did?

It will not be. The 10g will incorporate 5 Lumen tech, while the 11g (or maybe hinted at 10.5g possibly) will have 10 lumen tech and will be the 9mm thick model. Any of these things can easily change, so I wouldn't quote me on this.:cool:

Where did you get this information? A member (trusted?) at this European board suggested that the 9mm panels will be part of the high-high end pioneer line in 2009 and then be more widely introduced when they have full up capacity.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6357251&postcount=5

I'm just trying to get sources straightened out...too many rumor threads to follow...

Where did you get this information? A member (trusted?) at this European board suggested that the 9mm panels will be part of the high-high end pioneer line in 2009 and then be more widely introduced when they have full up capacity.

...meaning Signature series only? or Elites too?

It seems to me that your post is the useless one that is cluddering up the thread not mine.
I am asking other members for info about the 9th generation plioneer plasmas which is the topic this thread is dedicated to.
This thread is NOT about the retail / street prices and if you had bothered to read the forum rules (which have been linked to multiple times in this thread), you'd realize that price talk is forbidden. But clearly the rules only apply to some of us.

It seems the only person with problems with it (and disruptiing the thread) is you!
Far from it - he just happened to be the first to submit a reply...

This thread is busy enough without all the price talk and lazy requests for PM's.

Where did you get this information? A member (trusted?) at this European board suggested that the 9mm panels will be part of the high-high end pioneer line in 2009 and then be more widely introduced when they have full up capacity.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6357251&postcount=5

I'm just trying to get sources straightened out...too many rumor threads to follow...D-Nice has ssaid numerous times (after originally saying that they would be 10-lumen tech) that the 10gs will have 5-lumen tech. He also has said that the 9mm thick displays NEED 10-lumen tech. I also recall somewhere that he said that they may come out later (as in fall or maybe winter). My $.02

I have about 60 inches of clearance for a 9G Pio. I can go 111FD or 6020FD (but sadly not 151FD). This is gonna be a TV in my bedroom primarily for HTPC use (1080p blu-ray, PC gaming @ 1080p, and down the road PS3) Viewing distance will be probably 7ft max. I would love to hear everyone's advice on what would be the best investment.

Is the 111FD the best buy with elite features, best PQ, side speakers, etc, for the distance/space Im looking at? Or is the 6020FD with the bigger video screen a better buy? (sacrificing some PQ, picture controls, side speakers, longer warranty, and the little 'elite' logo for a bigger screen size?). Useful opinions requested!

The 151 is less than 58" wide without it's speakers installed. Are you using a surround system? If not you could remove and remotely mount those or another set of speakers to the 151.

This thread is NOT about the retail / street prices and if you had bothered to read the forum rules (which have been linked to multiple times in this thread), you'd realize that price talk is forbidden. But clearly the rules only apply to some of us.


Far from it - he just happened to be the first to submit a reply...

This thread is busy enough without all the price talk and lazy requests for PM's.

+1

So a question for our forum sponsors - do you expect to receive the new panels this week, as russwong has suggested?

Here's some news that I believe people should be greatly interested!

Spoke to one of my contacts and the 6020's allocations are done and are to arrive on Tuesday.

IT'S 9G TIME!!!!

And so it begins.

Never doubt russwong or D-Nice. Today our fleet of ships came in and we're swimming in PDP-6020FDs in multiple warehouses across the country.

Enjoy!

-Robert

Oh how I wish some of the dealers here were near me. None within 250 mile range....

I have a 705. It has an adjustable lip sync function. I suspect the higher-end models also have that function.

You can delay the audio, but when it is already behind the video, this function is useless. The problems are well documented in the 805 thread.

I hope an 9G early adopter will be pairing it with a Pioneer VSX-94TXH and report back on any synergies.

D-Nice has ssaid numerous times (after originally saying that they would be 10-lumen tech) that the 10gs will have 5-lumen tech. He also has said that the 9mm thick displays NEED 10-lumen tech. I also recall somewhere that he said that they may come out later (as in fall or maybe winter). My $.02


Thanks. Nice to know.

I'm really surprised the PDP-6020FDs came in so early but the PDP-5020FDs seem nowhere to be found.
That is pretty amazing the PDP-6020FD showed up a week early, and more than a few for that matter ;)

You can delay the audio, but when it is already behind the video, this function is useless. The problems are well documented in the 805 thread.


Yeah, that's horrible if your Onkyo is delaying the audio on its' own.
I have gotten very tired of constantly adjusting my lip-sync for D* HD programming.

I'm really surprised the PDP-6020FDs came in so early but the PDP-5020FDs seem nowhere to be found.

My understanding is that Pioneer did a small production run of a few hundred PDP-6020FDs and all passed QA - Q/C. Originally Pioneer was shipping them with the first allocation of PDP-5020FDs and PDP-6020FDs to fill as much as possible of the initial orders, but someone up high decided to release these few hundred early.

I am also told that the next allocation is the end of June and will include more 6020s and 5020s as well as a tiny allocation of Elites. Don't get too excited as this will be a very very small production run of Elites.

Pioneer ships once a month, typically the end of the month and production is ramped up as the model year matures.

-Robert

Yeah, that's horrible if your Onkyo is delaying the audio on its' own.
I have gotten very tired of constantly adjusting my lip-sync for D* HD programming.

Onkyo has a firmware upgrade to 1.08 that takes care of this problem if it exists.

I am also told that the next allocation is the end of June and will include more 6020s and 5020s as well as a tiny allocation of Elites. Don't get too excited as this will be a very very small production run of Elites.


NNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I want my 5020 now!!!:mad::mad::mad:

OK that felt good to vent. Now to grow some patience! Some pictures and thoughts on the 6020 some of ya'll are receiving would really help. Thanks.

If you are talking about the Pioneer Elite sales policies, I couldn't disagree more. Limiting internet sales from authorized dealers only helps the mediocre/bad dealers.

It would be one thing if Pioneer wanted to protect the territory of local moms and pops, but they sold that down the river when they went to Magnolias. Now Magnolia is the only option in some areas, so all you are protecting is the interests of Best Buy. As if they needed any protection.

The 250 mile limit for Elites is outdated.

I am also told that the next allocation is the end of June and will include more 6020s and 5020s as well as a tiny allocation of Elites.
-Robert

So is it fair to say that we shouldn't expect any 5020s until end of June? Actually, I hope this is the case as that would give D-Nice (and others?) a chance to review the 6020 and give us initial insight into its quality and comparison with the 8gs. I have pre-ordered a 5020 after returning my Panny 46" 800U after a serious debate (because the 800U is pretty darn good) and am anxious for D-Nice to compare the color, contrast, and PQ to the 800U before I take delivery of the 5020. If the 5020 is only comparable or marginally better than the 800U, it wouldn't be worth the 50% extra that it is costing me over re-buying the 800U.

Thanks for the shipping and availability information Robert, it really helps us in this 5020 vs. 800U purchasing dilemna (and I know that's more than just me).

Cheers,
Bobby

It would be one thing if Pioneer wanted to protect the territory of local moms and pops, but they sold that down the river when they went to Magnolias. Now Magnolia is the only option in some areas, so all you are protecting is the interests of Best Buy. As if they needed any protection.

The 250 mile limit for Elites is outdated.

Magnolia is there biggest account and they will fulfill all of there needs before the mom and pop stores.

My understanding is that Pioneer did a small production run of a few hundred PDP-6020FDs and all passed QA - Q/C. Originally Pioneer was shipping them with the first allocation of PDP-5020FDs and PDP-6020FDs to fill as much as possible of the initial orders, but someone up high decided to release these few hundred early.

I am also told that the next allocation is the end of June and will include more 6020s and 5020s as well as a tiny allocation of Elites. Don't get too excited as this will be a very very small production run of Elites.

Pioneer ships once a month, typically the end of the month and production is ramped up as the model year matures.

-Robert

Robert,
Nice info. This is great strategic move by Pioneer to help outsell the upcoming 58PZ800U/850U and 65PZ850U as well as Samsung's 63A650.

Chris

I just got a call from Value Electronics. The TV is in and it will be at my house in 48 hours! That was great news! I will send an update and pics as soon as I get it.

-kkgsxr

Do the 5020/6020 series have the silver colored edge trim along the top/botton/sides like the 5010/6010s, or did they do away with it to give it a more appealing look like the Elites?

Any good actual pictures of the 6020 (or 5020) posted anywhere for viewing?

Do the 5020/6020 series have the silver colored edge trim along the top/botton/sides like the 5010/6010s, or did they do away with it to give it a more appealing look like the Elites?

Any good actual pictures of the 6020 (or 5020) posted anywhere for viewing?
I will have pics on Friday and let you know.

-kkgsxr

My understanding is that Pioneer did a small production run of a few hundred PDP-6020FDs and all passed QA - Q/C. Originally Pioneer was shipping them with the first allocation of PDP-5020FDs and PDP-6020FDs to fill as much as possible of the initial orders, but someone up high decided to release these few hundred early.

I am also told that the next allocation is the end of June and will include more 6020s and 5020s as well as a tiny allocation of Elites. Don't get too excited as this will be a very very small production run of Elites.

Pioneer ships once a month, typically the end of the month and production is ramped up as the model year matures.

-Robert
That is the same story I got from Value Electronics. I was one of the luck few that got an early run of the 6020's. Glad I got the 3 year extended warranty, just in case there are a few bugs to work out of the system.

-kkgsxr

Value Electronics also upgraded my delivery to "white glove"!! I can't say enough about the service they provide. A+

-kkgsxr

Man I am having a hard time not picking up the phone and ordering a 6020.
Don't know if I can stop myself and hold out for the 151.
Heaven help me! :D

I know this hasn't been discussed in the last 500 posts but maybe we need to remind ourselves of all the features that have been removed from the 9G Non-Elites including the 5020 and 6020 -

Loss of customizable picture controls for DRE and Gamma in both the on screen menu AND SERVICE MENU.

Noise settings turned on (and unchangeable) for all AV modes

and from gipers post (#2486)

Cable Card eliminated
NTSC tuners reduced by 1
RF inputs reduced by 1
Component Inputs reduced by 1
On Screen TV Guide eliminated

Can someone confirm whether the features cited by giper have been lost by Elites as well as Non-Elites for the 9Gs?

Anyone just tuning in at the advent of the relase of the 5020s and 6020s needs to be aware of these changes.

And if you have the money for the Elite, then there is even more reason to get an Elite than before.

And maybe every reason to pick an 8G Non-Elite on the cheap if you can.

And a lot of reasons to avoid the 9G Non-Elites until reviewed.

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Originally Posted by D-Dub View Post
I have a 705. It has an adjustable lip sync function. I suspect the higher-end models also have that function.
You can delay the audio, but when it is already behind the video, this function is useless. The problems are well documented in the 805 thread.

I hope an 9G early adopter will be pairing it with a Pioneer VSX-94TXH and report back on any synergies.

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As I wait for my PRO151, I'll chime in here - I had an 805 for a minute, returned it, and bought a Pio VSX-94. About 25% more money, but 100% better unit IMHO. 805 extremely heavy, runs hotter than hell which will bake it's components over time. Who wants a space heater in their AV cabinet??? 94 sound is much warmer, natural, fuller. NO sync issues with DirecTV. I'm thrilled with my 94. And it is patiently waiting for it's PRO151 brother with the SR+ cord at standby.

That is the same story I got from Value Electronics. I was one of the luck few that got an early run of the 6020's. Glad I got the 3 year extended warranty, just in case there are a few bugs to work out of the system.

-kkgsxr

It's probably the same story because Robert works at Value Electronics;).

...Today our fleet of ships came in and we're swimming in PDP-6020FDs in multiple warehouses across the country.

Enjoy!

-Robert

I'm hoping that swimming pool is much blacker this year than it was last year. ;)

I know this hasn't been discussed in the last 500 posts but maybe we need to remind ourselves of alll the features that have been removed from the 9G Non-Elites including the 5020 and 6020 -

Loss of customizable picture controls for DRE and Gamma in both the on screen menu AND SERVICE MENU.

Noise settings turned on (and unchangeable) for all AV modes

and from gipers post (#2486)

Cable Card eliminated
NTSC tuners reduced by 1
RF inputs reduced by 1
Component Inputs reduced by 1
On Screen TV Guide eliminated



I couldn't care less about the last five features. I do care about picture quality, and those who have seen these TVs have attested to that. And I believe D-Nice when he says that the locked DRE and Gamma can be dealt with.

You do realize that the 5020 and 6020 are priced very closely to their 8g counterparts already (the 6020 can be had for less than the 6010). I don't like features going away, but the MSRP lowering for a new model with supposedly better picture quality makes up for that as far as I'm concerned.

I just got my email letting me know that my 6020 will soon be on its way!!! I ordered from **************** and have been very happy with their service so far.

My understanding is that Pioneer did a small production run of a few hundred PDP-6020FDs and all passed QA - Q/C. Originally Pioneer was shipping them with the first allocation of PDP-5020FDs and PDP-6020FDs to fill as much as possible of the initial orders, but someone up high decided to release these few hundred early.

I am also told that the next allocation is the end of June and will include more 6020s and 5020s as well as a tiny allocation of Elites. Don't get too excited as this will be a very very small production run of Elites.

Pioneer ships once a month, typically the end of the month and production is ramped up as the model year matures.

-Robert

Thanks for the explanation, Robert. I was curious why we had some so early and how many would be available. That makes sense now!

I know this hasn't been discussed in the last 500 posts but maybe we need to remind ourselves of all the features that have been removed from the 9G Non-Elites including the 5020 and 6020 -

Loss of customizable picture controls for DRE and Gamma in both the on screen menu AND SERVICE MENU.

Noise settings turned on (and unchangeable) for all AV modes

and from gipers post (#2486)

Cable Card eliminated
NTSC tuners reduced by 1
RF inputs reduced by 1
Component Inputs reduced by 1
On Screen TV Guide eliminated
..........

Wow, that's a substantial reduction in features :( - particularly the loss of the antenna input. Looks like Pioneer has given up entirely on letting me avoid the dreaded cable box.

Robert,

Still expecting Elites in July for the most part?

Robert,

Still expecting Elites in July for the most part?End of July for any significant allocations.

Vicious Cycle - Wastes Everybody's Time

1) Since people keep posting for 1) inappropriate PM's and (2) inappropriate price requests
2) Then others must also post their objections and thus waste space and time by trying to police it (otherwise it would be even worse!)
3) Where are the Mods?

The noise will die once there's an owners' thead.

Well, I did it. Placed my pre-order for a 5020 with Value Electronics. (Thanks Robert!)

Although much wailing and gnashing of teeth went into my decision (over the past year!), I’m satisfied that I made the right call. After viewing the 8Gs in person, it had been my plan for a while to grab a 5080 or a 5010 on close-out----but with the 9G pricing, it ended up being an easy call to go with the 5020 (although I briefly considered the Panasonic 800 series). I am aware of what I’m missing out on by not getting an Elite, but (even at the great price from Value Electronics) the 111 was above my price point.

While I, like others, am somewhat frustrated with the stripped down control options on the 5020 compared to the 5010, I’m not overly worried. The addition of the Home Media Gallery alone, for me, more than makes up for always on noise reduction and other minor inconveniences. Sure, I’d like the Elite---but, despite how some may see it, it didn’t make sense for me to spend the extra $$$.

Well, I did it. Placed my pre-order for a 5020 with Value Electronics. (Thanks Robert!)

Although much wailing and gnashing of teeth went into my decision (over the past year!), I’m satisfied that I made the right call. After viewing the 8Gs in person, it had been my plan for a while to grab a 5080 or a 5010 on close-out----but with the 9G pricing, it ended up being an easy call to go with the 5020 (although I briefly considered the Panasonic 800 series). I am aware of what I’m missing out on by not getting an Elite, but (even at the great price from Value Electronics) the 111 was above my price point.

While I, like others, am somewhat frustrated with the stripped down control options on the 5020 compared to the 5010, I’m not overly worried. The addition of the Home Media Gallery alone, for me, more than makes up for always on noise reduction and other minor inconveniences. Sure, I’d like the Elite---but, despite how some may see it, it didn’t make sense for me to spend the extra $$$.


Congrats. I'm about to place an order very shortly. I'm selling my Panny 50 700U soon and I'll be placing my order for a 5020 as well. I'm assuming my Omni mount that I'm using now will work with the 5020.

Argh, guess I'm going to be waiting awhile for my 151FD then, I'm first on the national pre-order list for Ultimate Electronics but it sounds like Magnolia gets priority so it's unlikely I'll see it in June...

Just a suggestion - if you have a friend or know someone who knows someone who works at Best Buy, you can get an Elite 5% above the cost getting yourself a sweet deal (not sure what BB's cost is, though).