9G Kuros are all Energy Star complainant when set to the Standard mode. The cut power consumption by 20% to 25% with a very slight drop in brightness.

Some of the video modes features and settings have changed.

-Robert

I've read in this thread that the contrast is a tiny bit brighter than the G8s when the whole screen is white. I also thought I read that the Energy Star complainant had everything to do while the unit was shut off, not while it was turned on

The part I'm not clear about...(unless there's a feature you can use to turn it off or on while the screen is on).

energystar compliance has everything to do with power consumption when it's turned off and power consumption when it's powered on under standard mode. Most companies brought down their brightness and contrast level down to the point that it's almost unwatchable under standard mode. Pioneer is not the case.

If you want to see the difference between Panasonic last year's standard mode vs this year's energy star standard mode, try the 800u and toggle between standard (energystar 2.0 compliant) vs user (user mode is about equivalent to their last year's standard mode). In the case of Pioneer, you can toggle between standard (energystar 3.0) vs performance (equivalent to last year's standard mode).

The Panasonic is dramatically dimmer to the point that it's unwatachable (heck, even their THX mode is far brighter than their standard mode), whereas on the Pioneer it's only a tiny bit dimmer but still very close to the REC709 or NTSC standards.

Manuals have been posted.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/Manuals/Home/PDP-5020FD_OperatingInstructions0428.pdf

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/Manuals/Home/PRO-111FD_OperatingInstructions0514.pdf
Nice find...thanks.

9G Kuros are all Energy Star complainant when set to the Standard mode. The cut power consumption by 20% to 25% with a very slight drop in brightness.

Some of the video modes features and settings have changed.

-RobertI thought the peak brightness was increased????

what happened to buybestplasma.com?
I don't see Pioneer plasma listed anymore.
Roman, are u still selling Pioneer plasma?

I'm pretty sure he still sells pioneer plasmas.

I thought the peak brightness was increased????

Correct the brightness is increased on 9G vs. 8G.

I was comparing the 9G models only in the standard mode, which is Energy Star 3.0 complainant vs. all other models at full power.

-Robert

what happened to buybestplasma.com?
I don't see Pioneer plasma listed anymore.
Roman, are u still selling Pioneer plasma?

For sales questions your should contact the dealers directly :)

In the case of Pioneer, you can toggle between standard (energystar 3.0) vs performance (equivalent to last year's standard mode).

Would "performance" be the same as the "pure" mode on the 151?

Correct the brightness is increased on 9G vs. 8G.

I was comparing the 9G models only in the standard mode, which is Energy Star 3.0 complainant vs. all other models at full power.

-Robert

So your saying the the whites are brighter in 9Gs standard mode (Energy Star 3.0) VS all the other models at full power?

I just bought a 110fd this week. I'm not sure when this 8th gen was built. How do I find this?

But my main question is concerning the buzz noise. It is pretty noticable even 10 ft away when the room is silent. Should I take it back and wait a month or so for the 9th Generation 111FD?

Or will it still have the noise. The picture is out of this world. I paid 4K at magnolia.

Thanks-

So your saying the the whites are brighter in 9Gs standard mode (Energy Star 3.0) VS all the other models at full power?

No, but the whites are a little brighter on 9G vs 8G Kuros.

-Robert

I just bought a 110fd this week. I'm not sure when this 8th gen was built. How do I find this?

But my main question is concerning the buzz noise. It is pretty noticable even 10 ft away when the room is silent. Should I take it back and wait a month or so for the 9th Generation 111FD?

Or will it still have the noise. The picture is out of this world. I paid 4K at magnolia.

Thanks-


Regardless of the noise level, I would personally recommend for anybody to wait for the 9th gen. After witnessing the 9th gen for several days in a row, the Elite 8th gen at my abode became unsatisfactory for my eyes.

Regardless of the noise level, I would personally recommend for anybody to wait for the 9th gen. After witnessing the 9th gen for several days in a row, the Elite 8th gen at my abode became unsatisfactory for my eyes.

Which 9G?


bob

Hey guys, I'm a first time poster. What an awesome source of information here! Here's my question: Can ISF calibration correct red push on a non-elite panel? I understand a calibrator can optimize the color temperature, but how about red-push? I don't know that I'm all that sensitive to color inaccuracies, but red-push drives me crazy!

Most reviews of 8g non-elite panels suggest a limited degree of over done reds, and I suspect a 9g panel to be similar. If this can't be eliminated, or at least mitigated with calibration, I'm very tempted to go 1150 instead of 5020 for my 10 ft. seating distance. Thanks!

FYI... just took my 5010 back to BB(2 weeks old) and they ordered the 5020 in for me. Pretty much matched online pricing. Will be in this Thur. They said they aren't going to carry it at the store until probably July. One of these days I hope to join the Elite club, but for now the 5010/20 pic is phenomenal since it's my first plasma. Now can't wait for the new Pioneer Blu-Rays due out in July. That's next on my list.

david so your saying standard 3.0 engergy star is still producing a nice image despite enegy saving? if thats the case a calibrated proper dead on skin tones plus standard should be enough to produce a nice image..... for those who want to save energy

energystar compliance has everything to do with power consumption when it's turned off and power consumption when it's powered on under standard mode. Most companies brought down their brightness and contrast level down to the point that it's almost unwatchable under standard mode. Pioneer is not the case.

If you want to see the difference between Panasonic last year's standard mode vs this year's energy star standard mode, try the 800u and toggle between standard (energystar 2.0 compliant) vs user (user mode is about equivalent to their last year's standard mode). In the case of Pioneer, you can toggle between standard (energystar 3.0) vs performance (equivalent to last year's standard mode).

The Panasonic is dramatically dimmer to the point that it's unwatachable (heck, even their THX mode is far brighter than their standard mode), whereas on the Pioneer it's only a tiny bit dimmer but still very close to the REC709 or NTSC standards.



sorry rhino dont think im attackin you or police you but i think i saw this question almost in every thread im suscribed to lol but again PRO-111FD

I just bought a 110fd this week. I'm not sure when this 8th gen was built. How do I find this?

But my main question is concerning the buzz noise. It is pretty noticable even 10 ft away when the room is silent. Should I take it back and wait a month or so for the 9th Generation 111FD?

Or will it still have the noise. The picture is out of this world. I paid 4K at magnolia.

Thanks-


bob he stated the 9th generation 111FD so that means the pio elite 111FD

Which 9G?


bob

david so your saying standard 3.0 engergy star is still producing a nice image despite enegy saving? if thats the case a calibrated proper dead on skin tones plus standard should be enough to produce a nice image..... for those who want to save energy

Yes, Pioneer's standard mode (EnergyStar 3.0) is more than watchable. The Panasonic standard mode (EnergyStar 2.0 is beyond unwatchable thus making it unuseable. It's murky and colours are way off.

The literature is wrong. both Pio and Elite will be Energy Star 3.0 (yes, three-point-oh) compliant.

If that's true, then I hope Pioneer knows and makes the correction (I got that info from Pioneer product literature). I thought it odd that the Elite wouldn't be compliant if the standard model was. Where did you find that information, was it on something downloadable? It would be nice to have something accurate to read.

From my documentation I read at the Pioneer 2008 Roadshow in Canada, Both Pioneer and Elites are ES3.0 compliant. The one that's not is the Signature Series.

From my documentation I read at the Pioneer 2008 Roadshow in Canada, Both Pioneer and Elites are ES3.0 compliant. The one that's not is the Signature Series.So the signature series aren't energy star compliant?? I would think they would even more because of the lack of tuner and speakers. I guess since they don't have a setting dim enough for energy star (because they are supposed to be accurate)???:confused::confused:

Hey guys, I'm a first time poster. What an awesome source of information here! Here's my question: Can ISF calibration correct red push on a non-elite panel? I understand a calibrator can optimize the color temperature, but how about red-push? I don't know that I'm all that sensitive to color inaccuracies, but red-push drives me crazy!

Most reviews of 8g non-elite panels suggest a limited degree of over done reds, and I suspect a 9g panel to be similar. If this can't be eliminated, or at least mitigated with calibration, I'm very tempted to go 1150 instead of 5020 for my 10 ft. seating distance. Thanks!

For what it's worth, a Sound & Vision review of the 5010 (Nov. '07) mentioned that issue. The reviewer (Al Griffin) turned down the color a bit and reported a real improvement.

Hey guys,
I was wondering about getting the 6020 ISF calibrated.
Would it be worth doing?

Definitely, I just got back from BB (I know most agree not the best place to demo displays) I wanted to check if they had a 6020 on display. Right away I noticed a 5080 and 5010. Let me tell you the 5080 looked amazing so amazing one of the sales guys put the 5010 ticket under the 5080. I asked them for the remotes to check the setting and they both were on the dynamic standard setting. He then told me it had just got ISF calibrated. The colors looked spot on and detail was more crisp on the 5080. For instance on the feed they were playing, the emperor penquin's head on the 5010 had crushed blacks and on the 5080 you could actually see the feathers. Kinda weird since one would think the 1080p would be more detailed. Something is telling me a calibrated 9g will be stunning. Definitely get that 6020 calibrated.

Regardless of the noise level, I would personally recommend for anybody to wait for the 9th gen. After witnessing the 9th gen for several days in a row, the Elite 8th gen at my abode became unsatisfactory for my eyes.

And which 8G do you own?


bob

If I sell to a friend my 150FD which I bought in March, is he entitled to the 2 year warranty? Or the warranty is only for those who bought their sets from an authorized dealer? Obviously I am not authorized since I am not even a dealer. :confused:

did you register the tv under your name? if you did not then give him the receipt of proof of purchase , if you did register under your name then i dont know if its transferable of owership

If I sell to a friend my 150FD which I bought in March, is he entitled to the 2 year warranty? Or the warranty is only for those who bought their sets from an authorized dealer? Obviously I am not authorized since I am not even a dealer. :confused:

Regardless of the noise level, I would personally recommend for anybody to wait for the 9th gen. After witnessing the 9th gen for several days in a row, the Elite 8th gen at my abode became unsatisfactory for my eyes.

Pretty strong words Dave. Specifically in what areas did you see such a radical improvement?

So the signature series aren't energy star compliant?? I would think they would even more because of the lack of tuner and speakers. I guess since they don't have a setting dim enough for energy star (because they are supposed to be accurate)???:confused::confused:

maybe, just maybe, since these signature series are designed for custom and commercial applications (thus no preset mode will be used) the designation of energystar compliance (measured based on standby and standard-mode) will be moot.

Pretty strong words Dave. Specifically in what areas did you see such a radical improvement?

Black level. I never realized that difference in black level will make that much of a difference. I can still somewhat see the black bars when watching cinema scope movies on the 8G. On the 9G, I can hardly see them anymore.

The darker black level is also creating a better three dimensional effect to the image on the screen.

I'm currently am contemplating in selling my 5 month old 8G Elite because of that.

And which 8G do you own?


bob

PRO 1150 (and no, the difference is not due to 720 vs 1080 resolution)

About the Kuro Home Media Gallery and the possibility of using USB for the break in video. Here is what video formats the Kuro can play back...



Home Media Gallery offering a multimedia experience to enjoy ››movies, music and photos through an existing home network or USB memory device

Supported Formats: ››
Video: WMV9, MPEG1, MPEG2-PS, MPEG2-TS, MPEG4 (SP/ASP), MPEG4 (H.264/AVC)


Would it be possible to have a video in one of those formats (it would only have to be as long to allow all the colors combinations to cycle through once) and then put it on an endless loop. No wear and tear on any DVD player or Blu-ray player! I would think the USB file would be more dependable too.

I think the only question at this point is if there's a way to put the USB video on a endless repeat mode.

About the Kuro Home Media Gallery and the possibility of using USB for the break in video. Here is what video formats the Kuro can play back...



Home Media Gallery offering a multimedia experience to enjoy ››movies, music and photos through an existing home network or USB memory device

Supported Formats: ››
Video: WMV9, MPEG1, MPEG2-PS, MPEG2-TS, MPEG4 (SP/ASP), MPEG4 (H.264/AVC)


Would it be possible to have a video in one of those formats (it would only have to be as long to allow all the colors combinations to cycle through once) and then put it on an endless loop. No wear and tear on any DVD player or Blu-ray player! I would think the USB file would be more dependable too.

I think the only question at this point is if there's a way to put the USB video on a endless repeat mode.You would have to convert the dvd into a .mpeg or avi file.

^^^^^^^^

hmmm i thought i wrote that too must of been deleted or he posted the same question somewhere else

D-NICE (or Robert or Roman)---
I want some more info. on the new 50" signature series. I had actually ordered a pro-110fd but changed my mind to wait for the sig series.
Are there multiple AV modes or just a user mode? Is the remote control the same beautiful remote Pio designed for the reg. Elites? What are the main benefits of the sig series? And is there a possibility of availability in September for Canada?
Any additional info. on these awesome new 50" sets would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys:)

And is there a possibility of availability in September for Canada?

Signature series should be available in Canada in late August.

If I sell to a friend my 150FD which I bought in March, is he entitled to the 2 year warranty? Or the warranty is only for those who bought their sets from an authorized dealer? Obviously I am not authorized since I am not even a dealer. :confused:Your warranty should transfer. Why don't you contact Pioneer and see what they say.

If I sell to a friend my 150FD which I bought in March, is he entitled to the 2 year warranty? Or the warranty is only for those who bought their sets from an authorized dealer? Obviously I am not authorized since I am not even a dealer. :confused:

Didn't we have a heated rumble on roughly this topic not too long ago? :D

The bottom line: it should transfer. You should give your friend the original purchase receipt whether or not you registered the set in your name so that he can prove that the set originated from an authorized dealer or distributor.

From Pioneer's warranty language (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/29529538HEelite.pdf):

"THIS LIMITED WARRANTY APPLIES TO THE ORIGINAL OR ANY SUBSEQUENT OWNER OF THIS PIONEER PRODUCT DURING THE WARRANTY PERIOD PROVIDED THE PRODUCT WAS PURCHASED FROM AN AUTHORIZED PIONEER DISTRIBUTOR/DEALER IN THE U.S.A."

From my documentation I read at the Pioneer 2008 Roadshow in Canada, Both Pioneer and Elites are ES3.0 compliant. The one that's not is the Signature Series.

Do you know what makes the Signature Series non compliant?

most probably because of the higher standby power. The monitor is IP enabled so basically parts of the circuitry are on all the time so it can be controlled remotely via closed-loop LAN or via the internet (power on/off, change of menu settings, the monitor sending e-mail if there is failures etc)

Regardless of the noise level, I would personally recommend for anybody to wait for the 9th gen. After witnessing the 9th gen for several days in a row, the Elite 8th gen at my abode became unsatisfactory for my eyes.

Trying to get things in perspective.

The 9G Elites are out in Canada? Do you have one? Seeing one in a store?


thx

bob

Trying to get things in perspective.

The 9G Elites are out in Canada? Do you have one? Seeing one in a store?

From what I understand, in Canada the 111FD's are out June 23rd, 151FD's mid-July. There was a recent Pioneer Canada version of the 'road show' with dealer training, this could be where he had a chance to see the panels over several days. Just a guess.

I was Costco today and there was a 1080P 50" Pioneer plasma for sale. They had the model number as 6010 and it was $2500 or $2600 (can't remember). I was in a rush, so I didn't have time to check the model number on the back of the unit. If this is the 9G, I can't believe it! Wish I hadn't bought that 4280 in Feb if it was really the new model.

hi wcheng and welcome to the forum no price talk buddy forum rules :( and its not a 9g its a 8g now if you saw 6010 that is the 60" non elite 1080p model
a 50" 1080p non elite is the 5010. once again welcome to the fourm

I was Costco today and there was a 1080P 50" Pioneer plasma for sale. They had the model number as 6010 and it was $2500 or $2600 (can't remember). I was in a rush, so I didn't have time to check the model number on the back of the unit. If this is the 9G, I can't believe it! Wish I hadn't bought that 4280 in Feb if it was really the new model.


chad give the buddy a chance lol hes new :D

please no prices.
please please please

Definitely, I just got back from BB (I know most agree not the best place to demo displays) I wanted to check if they had a 6020 on display. Right away I noticed a 5080 and 5010. Let me tell you the 5080 looked amazing so amazing one of the sales guys put the 5010 ticket under the 5080. I asked them for the remotes to check the setting and they both were on the dynamic standard setting. He then told me it had just got ISF calibrated. The colors looked spot on and detail was more crisp on the 5080. For instance on the feed they were playing, the emperor penquin's head on the 5010 had crushed blacks and on the 5080 you could actually see the feathers. Kinda weird since one would think the 1080p would be more detailed. Something is telling me a calibrated 9g will be stunning. Definitely get that 6020 calibrated.
They had it calibrated using the dynamic setting? :eek:

Sorry about the price talk folks. I should have snapped a pic with my phone camera while I was at Costco. The model I saw at Costco was a 50" 1080P model marked as "6010" or "6020" (I can't remember now) on the Costco pricing card. Wonder if they will be carrying 9G or if they just got their hands on some 8G 1080Ps at a good price. Can't imagine that Pioneer would let their units be sold by Costco...

it is common to see pioneer in costco its happend before, what i am intrested to find out is the model in in the montery bay and i havnt seen any in my local store yet, if they do carry the 9g it will be very affortable

Sorry about the price talk folks. I should have snapped a pic with my phone camera while I was at Costco. The model I saw at Costco was a 50" 1080P model marked as "6010" or "6020" (I can't remember now) on the Costco pricing card. Wonder if they will be carrying 9G or if they just got their hands on some 8G 1080Ps at a good price. Can't imagine that Pioneer would let their units be sold by Costco...

wcheng, I believe that was the Pioneer PDP-5010FD you saw, it's the 2007 50" 1080p model.

The PDP-6010FD is the 2007 60" 1080p model.

I just bought a 110fd this week. I'm not sure when this 8th gen was built. How do I find this?

But my main question is concerning the buzz noise. It is pretty noticable even 10 ft away when the room is silent. Should I take it back and wait a month or so for the 9th Generation 111FD? Or will it still have the noise. The picture is out of this world. I paid 4K at magnolia. Thanks-

there should be a month/year build date stickered on the back.

take it back if it is buzzing noticeably.

much easier to deal with the return to bb/mag during the 30 day return then trying to deal with Pioneer on the buzzing. wait on the Pro111 and hopefully you will get a display that has no/low buzzing and with a decent deal you should get it at the same price since the msrp has dropped to $5000. there are already owner reports of buzzing on the 9g 6020 but hopefully you will get a Pro111 with no/low buzzing.

Sorry about the price talk folks. I should have snapped a pic with my phone camera while I was at Costco. The model I saw at Costco was a 50" 1080P model marked as "6010" or "6020" (I can't remember now) on the Costco pricing card. Wonder if they will be carrying 9G or if they just got their hands on some 8G 1080Ps at a good price. Can't imagine that Pioneer would let their units be sold by Costco...

According to costco.com the model for sale is the 50" 8g. Model PDP-5010FD.

http://*******.com/62j8ej

in store cost less then the online website, i cant seem to go to it but its the one with 3g including ship?

I was Costco today and there was a 1080P 50" Pioneer plasma for sale. They had the model number as 6010 and it was $2500 or $2600 (can't remember). I was in a rush, so I didn't have time to check the model number on the back of the unit. If this is the 9G, I can't believe it! Wish I hadn't bought that 4280 in Feb if it was really the new model.

I have a 4280 that I will be taking back to Best Buy here at the Tustin Marketplace in Orange County. It only has 300 hrs on it so almost new. It can be had for a very good price well below 2000.

If that had been a 6010 you saw at Costco for that price I would be jumping on it. Too bad it was a 5010.... still not a bad price.

Jet757 hey a fellow Orange County guy!

I've been going to that Best Buy along with the Costa Mesa one hoping that they would have the 6020 up just so I can drool over. I've been there to sit in front of the 150 for long periods of time, anticipating getting my 151.

You would have to convert the dvd into a .mpeg or avi file.

Is there anyone here that can make available the burn in dvd video as a avi file so I or anyone else could download it to a USB drive? (it would only have to be as long to allow all the colors combinations to cycle through once)

Or, who would I ask or contact to see if this could be made available?

And then can it be put on an endless loop via the Kuro?

Correct the brightness is increased on 9G vs. 8G.

Any idea if the 60 inch TVs approach the brightness of the 4280? If so, then
that would be awesome, as the 4280 has great full-screen whites!

Perhaps D-Nice knows the values for both TVs and can post them for comparison's
sake. It would be great to know.

Let me tell you the 5080 looked amazing so amazing one of the sales guys put the 5010 ticket under the 5080. I asked them for the remotes to check the setting and they both were on the dynamic standard setting. He then told me it had just got ISF calibrated.

Those BB guys are amazing. And people believe them.

A senior Pioneer rep just told me that the Elite PRO-111FD should be out in Canada around the 1st of July, or a little bit after that...

And that I should receive a reviewing sample of the PRO-150FD around the same time, or a little bit later... :)

Is there anyone here that can make available the burn in dvd video as a avi file so I or anyone else could download it to a USB drive? (it would only have to be as long to allow all the colors combinations to cycle through once)

Or, who would I ask or contact to see if this could be made available?

And then can it be put on an endless loop via the Kuro?

I thought I made the point to use the jpeg version. I would think this would work if it just cycled throught the images and then constantly repeated.
Only thought, does the Kuro sit long enough on each image before advancing to the next or can you change the time?

Edit: Just answered my own question by reading the online manual:
1 ) Press HMG.
The Home Media Gallery menu appears on screen
2 ) Select Media Navigator or USB from the menu.
Use the arrow buttons to highlight an option then press ENTER
3 ) Select a folder containing photo content.
Use the arrow buttons to highlight a folder then press ENTER.
The Thumbnail screen appears (Thumbnail List or List screen appears, depending on the setting).
4 ) Select the desired photo file.
The selected photo content appears in full screen
5 ) Press TOOLS.
The TOOLS Menu appears on screen.
6 ) Select a slideshow option.
7 ) Select Random, Off, Black Out, Cross Sweep, Horizontal Blinds, Boxed In/Out, Panoramic or Scenic for
Effect.
8 ) Skip
9 ) Select a time interval: 3Seconds, 5Seconds, 10Seconds, 15Seconds, 30Seconds or 60Seconds.
So question? 30 seconds or 60 seconds per image?
10 ) Skip
11 ) Select the desired option for Play Mode.
Select Single, Repeat, Repeat All or All. For details, refer to “Play Mode” (page 111)
12 ) Skip
13 ) Select Start.
The slideshow starts and photo images in the folder automatically appear one by one.
To force the next image to appear, press .
To force the previous image to return, press .

Your warranty should transfer. Why don't you contact Pioneer and see what they say.

It will transfer for sure :)

ROMAN OR D-NICE OR ROBERT----
What are the main advantages of the 50" sig series? I won't be using it to hook up my computer or anything like that, but I do want the best tv available on the market---what are some of the main advantages?

Could somebody let me know whether the Kuros support Pal and the Pal HDTV standard (DVB). If so, which models support this. The Panasonic Pro Models do support them.

they have it at the pioneer store in south coast plaza - i was there saturday.


Jet757 hey a fellow Orange County guy!

I've been going to that Best Buy along with the Costa Mesa one hoping that they would have the 6020 up just so I can drool over. I've been there to sit in front of the 150 for long periods of time, anticipating getting my 151.

ROMAN OR D-NICE OR ROBERT----
What are the main advantages of the 50" sig series? I won't be using it to hook up my computer or anything like that, but I do want the best tv available on the market---what are some of the main advantages?

Take a look at the first page of this thread it gives you a great start :)

Could somebody let me know whether the Kuros support Pal and the Pal HDTV standard (DVB). If so, which models support this. The Panasonic Pro Models do support them.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14021348#post14021348

take a look at the last couple of posts and you should get your answer.

ikeb,

Sweet! I actually was thinking of stopping at the South Coast Pioneer store today after work to check to see if they had some in! I'll definitely have to go either today or tomorrow.

I wonder when they will get their 151's in...

the guy at the store said in beginning of july for the 151

they have the 6020 set up next to a 110 so it was easy to see the differences between last years and this years (which is - not much - blacks are about 20% blacker)

ikeb,

Sweet! I actually was thinking of stopping at the South Coast Pioneer store today after work to check to see if they had some in! I'll definitely have to go either today or tomorrow.

I wonder when they will get their 151's in...

Awesome! I've gotta go see the difference personally! Maybe I'll go on my lunch break...

I thought I made the point to use the jpeg version. I would think this would work if it just cycled throught the images and then constantly repeated.
Only thought, does the Kuro sit long enough on each image before advancing to the next or can you change the time?

Edit: Just answered my own question by reading the online manual:
1 ) Press HMG.
The Home Media Gallery menu appears on screen
2 ) Select Media Navigator or USB from the menu.
Use the arrow buttons to highlight an option then press ENTER
3 ) Select a folder containing photo content.
Use the arrow buttons to highlight a folder then press ENTER.
The Thumbnail screen appears (Thumbnail List or List screen appears, depending on the setting).
4 ) Select the desired photo file.
The selected photo content appears in full screen
5 ) Press TOOLS.
The TOOLS Menu appears on screen.
6 ) Select a slideshow option.
7 ) Select Random, Off, Black Out, Cross Sweep, Horizontal Blinds, Boxed In/Out, Panoramic or Scenic for
Effect.
8 ) Skip
9 ) Select a time interval: 3Seconds, 5Seconds, 10Seconds, 15Seconds, 30Seconds or 60Seconds.
So question? 30 seconds or 60 seconds per image?
10 ) Skip
11 ) Select the desired option for Play Mode.
Select Single, Repeat, Repeat All or All. For details, refer to “Play Mode” (page 111)
12 ) Skip
13 ) Select Start.
The slideshow starts and photo images in the folder automatically appear one by one.
To force the next image to appear, press ?.
To force the previous image to return, press ?.

Both of our ideas are good.

With mine, all that would be needed is a part of the video turned into a AVI and then set on repeat. The timing and all the colors and size are already set.

With yours, each screen of color would have to be made or captured, then it needs to be sized to fit the screen 100%. I'm not sure, but I think there are something like 4 or 5 shades of each color that would need to be made and/or captured and then the correct timing would need to be set.

The video idea already has all the shades of color, timing and correct size. One series of the colors only need to be captured and turned into a AVI file.


Both would work, however I think one is easier to do. Regardless, all of this is mute if someone can't help us with this. I don't have the means to take a portion of the video and turn it into a AVI file. And I certainly would not know how to create jpegs (or BMPs) image files of these colors and don't have a clue at what percentage these shades mixes should be.


One thing for sure, I would trust any one of these methods via USB (no moving parts) much more at providing these signals 24/7 than being played back over and over again on a DVD or Blu-ray player 24/7 where anything bad could happen.

With my DVD player, if anything were to happen, there would be a static image of what ever is on the screen at the time, then after a while, it goes into a screen saver mode that's all blue with a image that moves around. I don't mind the image moving around, it's the all blue background that I'd be worried about since the green and red would not be getting used.

My sales rep called to let me know I'll be getting my 151FD sometime in June. Unfortunately he could not give me an exact date. Though he did say sometime in mid June. I told him that a few others on this forum have received calls with delivery dates more towards the end of June like around the 27th or so.

Anyway, the cool thing is it definitely looks like I'll be getting the unit sooner rather than later.


I'm still trying to figure out a way to get a burn in DVD. I don't have a DVD burner and my first attempt to put the video on a DVD at the office failed. It played back on the computer at the office, but not on my DVD player. Though the fact that I've played back other DVD-Rs on my DVD player makes me wonder if I should try another brand disc or maybe for some reason the DVD-R was not "finalized".

I think the USB method will work, but I don't have a way to turn a video into a AVI file.

And I've had help from others sending me private messages suggesting how I can burn a DVD with other software. However I can only use what they have at the office. I'm going to just try another brand of DVD-R and check to see if something did not go right at the end such as a "finalized" process.

The Pioneer store saleswoman in Costa Mesa, CA told me that 151 would be available at their store end of June.

Barnman, that's awesome! I’m hopeful that I might get my pre-ordered 151 around the same time. Actually I sold my XBR5 and this weekend it will be gone so I will be without a TV for a couple weeks (hopefully and hopefully even less than that).

Jet757 hey a fellow Orange County guy!

I've been going to that Best Buy along with the Costa Mesa one hoping that they would have the 6020 up just so I can drool over. I've been there to sit in front of the 150 for long periods of time, anticipating getting my 151.

I have heard that there is a Pioneer Store at the Southcoast Plaza in Costa Mesa that has the new Kuros displayed. I havent been over there yet but maybe will make a trip today.

Sorry didnt see the above post which also mentions this.

Oooooh, makes my chances even better! I think it helps the distribution that the Pioneer production plant or whatever happens not too far from us here in So Cal.

My sales rep called to let me know I'll be getting my 151FD sometime in June. Unfortunately he could not give me an exact date. Though he did say sometime in mid June. I told him that a few others on this forum have received calls with delivery dates more towards the end of June like around the 27th or so.

Anyway, the cool thing is it definitely looks like I'll be getting the unit sooner rather than later.


I'm still trying to figure out a way to get a burn in DVD. I don't have a DVD burner and my first attempt to put the video on a DVD at the office failed. It played back on the computer at the office, but not on my DVD player. Though the fact that I've played back other DVD-Rs on my DVD player makes me wonder if I should try another brand disc or maybe for some reason the DVD-R was not "finalized".

I think the USB method will work, but I don't have a way to turn a video into a AVI file.

And I've had help from others sending me private messages suggesting how I can burn a DVD with other software. However I can only use what they have at the office. I'm going to just try another brand of DVD-R and check to see if something did not go right at the end such as a "finalized" process.Use this....

http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/files/BreakIn_Images.zip

and follow the directions that dbgrayson provided

Not sure if this has been mentioned as I haven't caught up to the thread yet, but just in case, the 5020's are available now.

Russ

Not sure if this has been mentioned as I haven't caught up to the thread yet, but just in case, the 5020's are available now.

RussWake me up when the 111FDs are available :D

Wake me up when the 111FDs are available :D

Yes yes, you Elite snob, just because you want an Elite logo... *hides from the Elite vs non-Elite monster getting woken up again*

:)

Yes yes, you Elite snob, just because you want an Elite logo... *hides from the Elite vs non-Elite monster getting woken up again*

:)

I scream you scream we all scream for an Elite screen! :D

Black level. I never realized that difference in black level will make that much of a difference. I can still somewhat see the black bars when watching cinema scope movies on the 8G. On the 9G, I can hardly see them anymore.

The darker black level is also creating a better three dimensional effect to the image on the screen.

I'm currently am contemplating in selling my 5 month old 8G Elite because of that.

How much better is the 9G at dark scenes with dim material?

I watched National Treasure 2 the other night and on some of the dimmer scenes the picture looked washed out with the lights off (even with biased lighting). I've grown accustomed to my 8Gs black levels and like others I still want more :).

Both of our ideas are good.

With yours, each screen of color would have to be made or captured, then it needs to be sized to fit the screen 100%. I'm not sure, but I think there are something like 4 or 5 shades of each color that would need to be made and/or captured and then the correct timing would need to be set.

The video idea already has all the shades of color, timing and correct size. One series of the colors only need to be captured and turned into a AVI file.

Both would work, however I think one is easier to do. Regardless, all of this is mute if someone can't help us with this. I don't have the means to take a portion of the video and turn it into a AVI file. And I certainly would not know how to create jpegs (or BMPs) image files of these colors and don't have a clue at what percentage these shades mixes should be.


I think you missed the part that he already put it into jpeg format with all the colors. I search high and low yesterday finding a program to convert .iso to mpeg or avi... bascially file types are not compatible b/c one is a "picture" and one is a "moving image". You are correct that it would have to fill 100% of the screen, but I am assuming that HMG does that.

I will surely try this when I get my 111FD, but that will be a little bit longer.

Anyone else willing to try it for us?

Thanks to you all for your tremendous response - 5020's and 6020's are shipping! What a wait, but worth it.

What are the main advantages of the 50" sig series?


No tuner.. That's it as far as i'm aware.

I think you missed the part that he already put it into jpeg format with all the colors. I search high and low yesterday finding a program to convert .iso to mpeg or avi... bascially file types are not compatible b/c one is a "picture" and one is a "moving image". You are correct that it would have to fill 100% of the screen, but I am assuming that HMG does that.

I will surely try this when I get my 111FD, but that will be a little bit longer.

Anyone else willing to try it for us?


I've got some good news! D-Nice provided these files for a USB sideshow!
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloa...kIn_Images.zip

I'm pretty sure this will work when put on a endless loop!!!!!

I know that D-Nice does not take private messages so my next post will be to him asking about two of the red colors and the sequence of colors.

I've got some good news! D-Nice provided these files for a USB sideshow!
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloa...kIn_Images.zip

I'm pretty sure this will work when put on a endless loop!!!!!

I know that D-Nice does not take private messages so my next post will be to him asking about two of the red colors and the sequence of colors.
The credit goes to Evangelo2 as he created the files.

I've got some good news! D-Nice provided these files for a USB sideshow!
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloa...kIn_Images.zip

I'm pretty sure this will work when put on a endless loop!!!!!

I know that D-Nice does not take private messages so my next post will be to him asking about two of the red colors and the sequence of colors.

link doesn't work....

Thanks to you all for your tremendous response - 5020's and 6020's are shipping! What a wait, but worth it.

Sweet! Order away everyone! We need to buy as many Kuro's as possible! Buy a 6020 for the living room and a 5020 for the bedroom.

I've got some good news! D-Nice provided these files for a USB sideshow!
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloa...kIn_Images.zip

I'm pretty sure this will work when put on a endless loop!!!!!

I know that D-Nice does not take private messages so my next post will be to him asking about two of the red colors and the sequence of colors.

I clicked on the link and it says "file not found." :(

Use this....

http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/files/BreakIn_Images.zip

and follow the directions that dbgrayson provided

Thank you D-Nice! I think this will take care of my concerns...as long as the Kuro unit does not have some kind of time limit on endless slide shows!!!

With the file you provided, I have two question, one concern and one suggestion.

First my one concern, Unless there's something wrong with my eyes or computer monitor, it looks like Slide08-1080p and Slide09-1080p (red colors) are excatly at the same brightness level. Could you please double check on your end to see if that's the case? If so, could you please provide in another download zip?

Question 1. Should the sequence be that of the order you have them? From brightest to darker?

Question 2. Should there be a white slide between each set of colors or just done in the sequence you already have them in?

Now for the suggestion. I think it would be great if you provided this file to your 1st post of your Kuro G8 break in page and maybe soon to your break in owners page for G9 owners. I think it's a great alternitive for those who may be concerned about running their DVD or Blu-ray players for that length of time.

Thank you for your help!!!

link doesn't work....

Ok everyone, here's the link to where the post is. At that post, the link should work...


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14046496&postcount=4074

link doesn't work....
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/files/BreakIn_Images.zip

The credit goes to Evangelo2 as he created the files.

Thanks, I did not know that. I'll message him to see if there can be a fix with the two red colors since they look to be of the same brightness levels.

I am thinking about getting the 6020 calibrated but am wondering if it is worth it. I know pioneer took some settings out and no one seems to know how to get into the service menu yet. Will these issues effect the calibration process?

How much better is the 9G at dark scenes with dim material?

I watched National Treasure 2 the other night and on some of the dimmer scenes the picture looked washed out with the lights off (even with biased lighting). I've grown accustomed to my 8Gs black levels and like others I still want more :).


This is exactly what I am concerned with....I'm wodering if I will regret getting a 9G (151FD), when the 10G will be zero luminance. This will result in a black level that is unbeatable. It's not like the 11G's will be any "blacker". I wonder after owning one for awhile (or more importantly, when the 10G's come out) if I will begin to have the same feelings towards 9G black levels...... I guess what it comes down to, is if you are willing to wait.... .I'm not good at that:(

Ok just noticed i missed a good 30 pages or so since I have last been here, had to go back and read. It seems like the only thing that was taken out of the 6020 compared to the 6010 is color temp right? From my understanding you can set the color temp on the 6010 to either low mid or high?

So if the 6020 comes with 5 pre programmed modes or so and at least 3 of them have one of the different color temps setup, then couldn't you edit which ever mode that has the color temp you want?

if its anything like last years models, you can calibrate the Mid temp in the service menu and then you can use whichever modes use Mid (unfortunatly it eliminates Movie which uses Low)


Ok just noticed i missed a good 30 pages or so since I have last been here, had to go back and read. It seems like the only thing that was taken out of the 6020 compared to the 6010 is color temp right? From my understanding you can set the color temp on the 6010 to either low mid or high?

So if the 6020 comes with 5 pre programmed modes or so and at least 3 of them have one of the different color temps setup, then couldn't you edit which ever mode that has the color temp you want?

Is the actual price difference between the 6020 and the 151 stil around $1,000?

rough ball park but yeah.

I thought I made the point to use the jpeg version. I would think this would work if it just cycled throught the images and then constantly repeated.
Only thought, does the Kuro sit long enough on each image before advancing to the next or can you change the time?

Edit: Just answered my own question by reading the online manual:
1 ) Press HMG.
The Home Media Gallery menu appears on screen
2 ) Select Media Navigator or USB from the menu.
Use the arrow buttons to highlight an option then press ENTER
3 ) Select a folder containing photo content.
Use the arrow buttons to highlight a folder then press ENTER.
The Thumbnail screen appears (Thumbnail List or List screen appears, depending on the setting).
4 ) Select the desired photo file.
The selected photo content appears in full screen
5 ) Press TOOLS.
The TOOLS Menu appears on screen.
6 ) Select a slideshow option.
7 ) Select Random, Off, Black Out, Cross Sweep, Horizontal Blinds, Boxed In/Out, Panoramic or Scenic for
Effect.
8 ) Skip
9 ) Select a time interval: 3Seconds, 5Seconds, 10Seconds, 15Seconds, 30Seconds or 60Seconds.
So question? 30 seconds or 60 seconds per image?
10 ) Skip
11 ) Select the desired option for Play Mode.
Select Single, Repeat, Repeat All or All. For details, refer to “Play Mode” (page 111)
12 ) Skip
13 ) Select Start.
The slideshow starts and photo images in the folder automatically appear one by one.
To force the next image to appear, press .
To force the previous image to return, press .


I tried this last week on my 5010FD. The problem I had was that although the images played fine, there was a small blue border around the image (about 3/4"). Regardless of the screen size I tried, I was unable to get rid of this border. This border was also there with other JPEGs I tried so I assume it is built into the coding of the Media Gallery. I ended up ordering the DVD from Evangelos via the link noted. Since I didn't have the ablility to burn a DVD it was worth the $6.95.

This is exactly what I am concerned with....I'm wodering if I will regret getting a 9G (151FD), when the 10G will be zero luminance. This will result in a black level that is unbeatable. It's not like the 11G's will be any "blacker". I wonder after owning one for awhile (or more importantly, when the 10G's come out) if I will begin to have the same feelings towards 9G black levels...... I guess what it comes down to, is if you are willing to wait.... .I'm not good at that:(

I'm weighing my priorities and circumstances and will purchase on that basis. Once I buy my TV, I'll likely cancel my A/V magazine subscriptions, stay out of the stores, and settle down with what I will know is one of the best TVs available. My plan is to get the best I can afford and make room for, then be quiet. It works for me. Reading Pioneer line show reports which say thre's a significant difference in black level between 8G and 9G convinced me to wait for a 9G. From what I've read (not a whole lot), the difference between 9G and 10G isn't as great as between 8G and 10G. Besides, who says I'll be able to get a 10G when they come out? Or if they'll be appropriate for my situation?

Sometimes another perspective helps. I hope this does.

I tried this last week on my 5010FD. The problem I had was that although the images played fine, there was a small blue border around the image (about 3/4"). Regardless of the screen size I tried, I was unable to get rid of this border. This border was also there with other JPEGs I tried so I assume it is built into the coding of the Media Gallery. I ended up ordering the DVD from Evangelos via the link noted. Since I didn't have the ablility to burn a DVD it was worth the $6.95.

That's a real bummer! Any chance that 9Gs have a different HMG?

I am thinking about getting the 6020 calibrated but am wondering if it is worth it. I know pioneer took some settings out and no one seems to know how to get into the service menu yet. Will these issues effect the calibration process?

I think time will tell. I dont think it can hurt :) Not sure if Jeff (UMR) wants to chime in if he has any thoughts so far. D-NICE will give input soon as well.

be more expensive than the Pro-151FD? I had assumed that the 141 would cost less given that it doesn't have a tuner or speakers, but I guess I could be wrong. Anyone have any ideas as to what the MSRP will be on the 141?

I have an opportunity to pick up a Pro-151FD right now on a good deal. I like the idea of the 141 though, so I'm willing to wait. But if the 141 is going to be more expensive than the 151, I'll just grab the 151 while the getting is good.

So I went to South Coast Mall here in So Cal and checked out the 6020 next to the 5010. First things first, in regards to black levels - there indeed is a difference. At first glance I couldn't really tell, but after sitting down and with very brief glancing back and forth the differences became truly obvious. The blacks indeed are blacker on the 9th gen. The most obvious point where one could tell the black level difference was when the black screen with the Blu-ray logo on the demo they ran appeared. Comparing directly, the 8th gen has a slightly bluer tint to the blacks. The blacks seemed to have disappeared better on the 6020. The other thing I noticed was the color reproduction; the colors were a tad deeper all around. the 6020 looked more rich and had a bit more depth to the image. The peak brightness seemed about the same. Shadow detail and such looked fantastic. The shadows looked a bit more realistic on the faces displayed on the 9th gen. There were plenty of sequences in the demo with tons of black on the screen and plenty of contrast that really showed what the set was able to do with mixed contrast images.

Overall, I am VERY impressed with the 9th gen set compared directly with the 8th gen. And to those saying that you likely wouldn't be able to tell a difference when they are separated, I believe that to be highly unlikely. The blacks have been improved a decent amount that those who've owned an 8th gen would likely be able to easily appreciate the difference when they get the 9th gen home.

This truly makes me excited for when my 151 comes home.

Also, the girl I talked to said they are expecting the 151's in 2-3 weeks.

I'm weighing my priorities and circumstances and will purchase on that basis. Once I buy my TV, I'll likely cancel my A/V magazine subscriptions, stay out of the stores, and settle down with what I will know is one of the best TVs available. My plan is to get the best I can afford and make room for, then be quiet. It works for me. Reading Pioneer line show reports which say thre's a significant difference in black level between 8G and 9G convinced me to wait for a 9G. From what I've read (not a whole lot), the difference between 9G and 10G isn't as great as between 8G and 10G. Besides, who says I'll be able to get a 10G when they come out? Or if they'll be appropriate for my situation?

Sometimes another perspective helps. I hope this does.

Good answer.....That WAS the perspective I needed. Waiting for this thing while your ready to hand over lots of cash, brings up all the doubts (not to mention these boards:rolleyes:). When I get my 151, Im not coming back, except for picture settings........Thanks for the reality check!

So I went to South Coast Mall here in So Cal and checked out the 6020 next to the 5010. First things first, in regards to black levels - there indeed is a difference. At first glance I couldn't really tell, but after sitting down and with very brief glancing back and forth the differences became truly obvious. The blacks indeed are blacker on the 9th gen. The most obvious point where one could tell the black level difference was when the black screen with the Blu-ray logo on the demo they ran appeared. Comparing directly, the 8th gen has a slightly bluer tint to the blacks. The blacks seemed to have disappeared better on the 6020. The other thing I noticed was the color reproduction; the colors were a tad deeper all around. the 6020 looked more rich and had a bit more depth to the image. The peak brightness seemed about the same. Shadow detail and such looked fantastic. The shadows looked a bit more realistic on the faces displayed on the 9th gen. There were plenty of sequences in the demo with tons of black on the screen and plenty of contrast that really showed what the set was able to do with mixed contrast images.

Overall, I am VERY impressed with the 9th gen set compared directly with the 8th gen. And to those saying that you likely wouldn't be able to tell a difference when they are separated, I believe that to be highly unlikely. The blacks have been improved a decent amount that those who've owned an 8th gen would likely be able to easily appreciate the difference when they get the 9th gen home.

This truly makes me excited for when my 151 comes home.

Also, the girl I talked to said they are expecting the 151's in 2-3 weeks.


That one helped too..........:D

aetherhole Excellent review im more glad the 9g are out this soon i look foward to my PRO-111FD

So I went to South Coast Mall here in So Cal and checked out the 6020 next to the 5010. First things first, in regards to black levels - there indeed is a difference. At first glance I couldn't really tell, but after sitting down and with very brief glancing back and forth the differences became truly obvious. The blacks indeed are blacker on the 9th gen. The most obvious point where one could tell the black level difference was when the black screen with the Blu-ray logo on the demo they ran appeared. Comparing directly, the 8th gen has a slightly bluer tint to the blacks. The blacks seemed to have disappeared better on the 6020. The other thing I noticed was the color reproduction; the colors were a tad deeper all around. the 6020 looked more rich and had a bit more depth to the image. The peak brightness seemed about the same. Shadow detail and such looked fantastic. The shadows looked a bit more realistic on the faces displayed on the 9th gen. There were plenty of sequences in the demo with tons of black on the screen and plenty of contrast that really showed what the set was able to do with mixed contrast images.

Overall, I am VERY impressed with the 9th gen set compared directly with the 8th gen. And to those saying that you likely wouldn't be able to tell a difference when they are separated, I believe that to be highly unlikely. The blacks have been improved a decent amount that those who've owned an 8th gen would likely be able to easily appreciate the difference when they get the 9th gen home.

This truly makes me excited for when my 151 comes home.

Also, the girl I talked to said they are expecting the 151's in 2-3 weeks.


D-nice the elite 9g will be in bestbuy june 29th

Wake me up when the 111FDs are available :D

ylnad the color temp was removed completely from the picture setting and the service menu! but that is not all Noise reduction has be hardcoded along with out settings that makes the non elite more apart from the elite in terms of tweekablity ask D-nice yourself, regardless aetherhole had a excellent review comment on the non elite so I THINK not 100% sure but pioneer may of hit the nail on the head then again it wouldnt hurt to have those extra settings for those hardcore fans so i guess for the avreage joe the non elite will be perfect and for those who are PQ junkies theirs the elite

Ok just noticed i missed a good 30 pages or so since I have last been here, had to go back and read. It seems like the only thing that was taken out of the 6020 compared to the 6010 is color temp right? From my understanding you can set the color temp on the 6010 to either low mid or high?

So if the 6020 comes with 5 pre programmed modes or so and at least 3 of them have one of the different color temps setup, then couldn't you edit which ever mode that has the color temp you want?


For those who are on to the 10g remember its going to be panasonic glass or panel but despite pioneer claiming it will be to pioneer specs and what not i would not want to be a guy that held back beecause of the total darkness only to find out that you lost out in PQ, Insted i would buy a 9g and if theirs a huge inprovement to validate an upgrade then guess what the circle of life repeats

as for me i have a hdtv rca that is saved in the house because it was too small i then went to a panasonic but PQ is a step back so once i make it to the pro-111FD im going to stick with it until the next big thing in leap in technology not just upgrade because of minor changes

gus738

Help D-Nice
I know this is a Pioneer thread but I am hoping D-Nice has the answer. I have been watching the Pio and Panny threads and have been trying to decide between the Panny 58pz800 and the Pio 6020, but since the 58pz800 will not come out till Oct. I have been looking around. Do you know anything about the LG 60pg60, the black levels, pq, tv reliability. Since I have to wait on both the 6020 and the 58pz800, my eye's are wandering.

dont scratch your head too much get the pioneer enjoy the best PQ amog that list you just gave and forget everything else...

pioneer kuro would be your best choice btw i know your expecting d-nice comment but its a no brainer you still have to wait for the tvs either way the pioneer would be sooner since its already available

funny its kinda werid to ask which would be the best eh dont take it offensive though
Help D-Nice
I know this is a Pioneer thread but I am hoping D-Nice has the answer. I have been watching the Pio and Panny threads and have been trying to decide between the Panny 58pz800 and the Pio 6020, but since the 58pz800 will not come out till Oct. I have been looking around. Do you know anything about the LG 60pg60, the black levels, pq, tv reliability. Since I have to wait on both the 6020 and the 58pz800, my eye's are wandering.

Actually I'm not asking which is the best, that I already know. No one will beat a KURO black, but D-Nice has given numbers on both the Panny and the Pio. I will see the 60pg60 before the 6020 or the 58pz800 unfortunately. All I'm interested in now is LG as a reliable plasma maker, black level number, pq. Have to wait anyhow so might as well kick the tires of other sets

i may not be as much as a hdgod as d-nice but to me the lg is behind panny lol IR is very common and i would not own a lg then again thats just me
for me its panny plasma then better crt then best kuro.... so if budget permits just get the kuro :D


Actually I'm not asking which is the best, that I already know. No one will beat a KURO black, but D-Nice has given numbers on both the Panny and the Pio. I will see the 60pg60 before the 6020 or the 58pz800 unfortunately. All I'm interested in now is LG as a reliable plasma maker, black level number, pq. Have to wait anyhow so might as well kick the tires of other sets

i may not be as much as a hdgod as d-nice but to me the lg is behind panny lol IR is very common and i would not own a lg then again thats just me
for me its panny plasma then better crt then best kuro.... so if budget permits just get the kuro :D I wouldn't be so sure of that...
I'm not knocking the LGs. Hell, they are going to give Panny a run for their money :DThat usually signifies that it will be very close to the thing that they are running for (i guess) (don't really know how to explain that), but it does mean that the LG http://youtube.com/watch?v=3hEn4VVNrxI may be close to the Panasonics http://youtube.com/watch?v=Khb0HUIMZ6Y

colt i could not see all links but if your indicatin is by thx certification then i would not put that on par lol it could mean nothing if they do it right as it was proven with the thx mode on the new panny.

but what i was refering to not only in PQ but in terms of reliablity and what not i think panny would be a better choice then the lg and surely d-nice would agree that the panny is closer to the kuro then the lg regardless we agree that the kuro is the best among the list right?

colt i could not see all links but if your indicatin is by thx certification then i would not put that on par lol it could mean nothing if they do it right as it was proven with the thx mode on the new panny.

but what i was refering to not only in PQ but in terms of reliablity and what not i think panny would be a better choice then the lg and surely d-nice would agree that the panny is closer to the kuro then the lg regardless we agree that the kuro is the best among the list right?Agreed :p. I'm just saying that we SHOULD NOT underestimate the LG. Personally, I think that the Panny will easily have better PQ than the LG, but I also think that the LG may have an outside shot.

Ok just noticed i missed a good 30 pages or so since I have last been here, had to go back and read. It seems like the only thing that was taken out of the 6020 compared to the 6010 is color temp right? From my understanding you can set the color temp on the 6010 to either low mid or high?

So if the 6020 comes with 5 pre programmed modes or so and at least 3 of them have one of the different color temps setup, then couldn't you edit which ever mode that has the color temp you want?

There are no adjustable settings for Picture Detail including gamma and DRE. Each mode has its own combination of settings for picture detail that cannot be changed in the user or SERVICE menus. One particular combination may satisfy your needs, but I'll take the ability to customize every time.

Noise reductions features are set to ON and cannot be disabled. Seems contrarian to every review I've ever read.

Various ports and cable card have been removed.

The discussion of these differences started with post #2187 (p.73) and continued for about 10 pages.

Actually I'm not asking which is the best, that I already know. No one will beat a KURO black, but D-Nice has given numbers on both the Panny and the Pio. I will see the 60pg60 before the 6020 or the 58pz800 unfortunately. All I'm interested in now is LG as a reliable plasma maker, black level number, pq. Have to wait anyhow so might as well kick the tires of other sets

When my brother got his 50" LG plasma about 4 years ago, we all kinda laughed at him. Seeing the picture on that thing, I've got to say I was pretty impressed: good blacks, great colors, crisp picture. After 4 years of abuse, it still looks great, no stuck pixels, (no break in either), tons of gaming etc. So that should say something about reliability. Definitely do not underestimate it...

That being said, 151 or 10g (152 ??) for me!!!

be more expensive than the Pro-151FD? I had assumed that the 141 would cost less given that it doesn't have a tuner or speakers, but I guess I could be wrong. Anyone have any ideas as to what the MSRP will be on the 141?

I have an opportunity to pick up a Pro-151FD right now on a good deal. I like the idea of the 141 though, so I'm willing to wait. But if the 141 is going to be more expensive than the 151, I'll just grab the 151 while the getting is good.

Anyone?

Anyone?

The rumor was that the Sig series would be more.

highheater i take it you dont read all post? i already anwerd in 4106 last page


There are no adjustable settings for Picture Detail including gamma and DRE. Each mode has its own combination of settings for picture detail that cannot be changed in the user or SERVICE menus. One particular combination may satisfy your needs, but I'll take the ability to customize every time.

Noise reductions features are set to ON and cannot be disabled. Seems contrarian to every review I've ever read.

Various ports and cable card have been removed.

The discussion of these differences started with post #2187 (p.73) and continued for about 10 pages.

This is exactly what I am concerned with....I'm wodering if I will regret getting a 9G (151FD), when the 10G will be zero luminance. This will result in a black level that is unbeatable. It's not like the 11G's will be any "blacker". I wonder after owning one for awhile (or more importantly, when the 10G's come out) if I will begin to have the same feelings towards 9G black levels...... I guess what it comes down to, is if you are willing to wait.... .I'm not good at that:(

Have him pop in a Blu-ray of Pirates of the Caribbean and have him report back on what he thinks of the blacks.

Considering that the Signature series is going to lose hardware components like; speakers, stand, tuner, etc (did I miss something?). However it adds remote calibration via software, and slimmer profile (probably due to the removal of the internal tuner and speaker amps) the price should not really increase.
Hopefully the price will be balanced out, the sig's would just be targeted at customers who have custom home theater systems and don't need stands, speakers and have external equipment that just feeds the video signal directly to the display.
If anything I would expect it to be less, like the monitor series was on the 6th generation elites.

Considering that the Signature series is going to lose hardware components like; speakers, stand, tuner, etc (did I miss something?). However it adds remote calibration via software, and slimmer profile (probably due to the removal of the internal tuner and speaker amps) the price should not really increase.

You're forgetting that the glass and components were specially handpicked by Oompa Loompas to meet extra special Willy Wonka standards.

I just wish the Signature 141 would have a narrower bezel!

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and rumor has it that the signiture series are aimed to be more expensive then the elite

You're forgetting that the glass and components were specially handpicked by Oompa Loompas to meet extra special Willy Wonka standards.

Great post!!! I just had a Willy Wonka marathon at my house. Had a friend over and we watched the old and new one both on DVD widescreen. Never saw the new one, though very good, the old one still wins in my book.

The colors POP on the old one and would have liked to see it in HD, however I'll wait for it to come out on Blu-ray and my Kuro with a brand new transfer.

Great post!!! I just had a Willy Wonka marathon at my house. Had a friend over and we watched the old and new one both on DVD widescreen. Never saw the new one, though very good, the old one still wins in my book.

The colors POP on the old one and would have liked to see it in HD, however I'll wait for it to come out on Blu-ray and my Kuro with a brand new transfer.

:)

I haven't had any movie marathon's in a while, though that'll change once my 111 gets delivered. Hard to enjoy them on the 27" CRT I've got going now. :(

........I'm still trying to figure out a way to get a burn in DVD. I don't have a DVD burner and my first attempt to put the video on a DVD at the office failed. It played back on the computer at the office, but not on my DVD player. Though the fact that I've played back other DVD-Rs on my DVD player makes me wonder if I should try another brand disc or maybe for some reason the DVD-R was not "finalized".....

you can buy it for a grand total of $6.50 shipped and you should have it in about 5 days well before your display will arrive.

http://www.eaprogramming.com/

you can buy it for a grand total of $6.50 shipped and you should have it in about 5 days well before your display will arrive.

http://www.eaprogramming.com/

Thank you, if I would have known about that a couple weeks ago, I would have bought it without hesitation! Luckily, this forum has been great. I've had people PMing me with suggestions and one of the members sent me a Burn-In DVD that I should be receiving in about a day or two.

Thanks everyone for your help!

Considering that the Signature series is going to lose hardware components like; speakers, stand, tuner, etc (did I miss something?). However it adds remote calibration via software, and slimmer profile (probably due to the removal of the internal tuner and speaker amps) the price should not really increase.
Hopefully the price will be balanced out, the sig's would just be targeted at customers who have custom home theater systems and don't need stands, speakers and have external equipment that just feeds the video signal directly to the display.
If anything I would expect it to be less, like the monitor series was on the 6th generation elites.

Pioneer obviously wants three levels of televisions in the market with the same glass as a marketing policy:

5020/6020 for everyday users who want an excellent picture, but don't want to tweak it continuously. These prices are less than the 5010/6010 and have less flexibility deliberately, they are being marketed as Pioneers entry level plasma even though they are still expensive compare to other companies.

111/151 (elite models) for those who want a level of flexibility and are willing to pay more for it. Note though that they are still cheaper than the 8G models by about $1000 list.

101/141 (signature models) are being marketed to those with deep pockets and offer the ultimate in flexibility. These will be more expensive despite the fact that they are removing some very cheap components such as the amps, speakers and stand. My guess they will be more expensive than the 8G elite models as they are being marketed as "custom" which always has a higher price.

you can buy it for a grand total of $6.50 shipped and you should have it in about 5 days well before your display will arrive.

http://www.eaprogramming.com/

Does anyone know if the DVD version has the same possible issue with the two reds of the same brightness that was mentioned earlier in regards to the the downloadable files?

TIA

Why is Pioneer downgrading them self like this?!
No way I will buy a plasma that wont allow me to adjust the picture!

qqq999,
good question but don't panic, the colors change every 26 seconds so it's not an issue.

What is this picture setting everyone is talking about? I looked at the 5020 manual and all the usual suspects were there, brightness, contrast and colour. These are the only settings I ever touch to adjust the picture quality on my plasma, and even with so few I still fiddle around with them so much that I drive myself crazy.

surap,
Some do not feel that this is much of a downgrade. Let us wait and see what D-Nice

has to say after he gets his 6020 and does his thing with it before we jump to

conclusions. I don't feel that Pioneer will want to hurt their image by selling an inferior

product. As a matter of fact IMHO I think that Pio is superior-even their entry level PDP.

Just my HO-Thanks

D-Nice - Any ETA on your second 6020 from Robert?

I just wish the Signature 141 would have a narrower bezel!

could not agree more--this is the one thing the Panasonic pro models have over the Pioneers at this point. Maybe the 10Gs (in the meantime, just took delivery of an 1150HD--fabulous picture, but not a big fan of the shiny bezel).

What is this picture setting everyone is talking about? I looked at the 5020 manual and all the usual suspects were there, brightness, contrast and colour. These are the only settings I ever touch to adjust the picture quality on my plasma, and even with so few I still fiddle around with them so much that I drive myself crazy.

Then the xx20 series is perfect for you!

^^^^^^
i agree with majestyk

surap based on reviews from oweners that have the 6020 pioneer may of hit the nail on the head with dead on skin tones and what not but still wait for d-nice review or see one your self once local stores have them.


Why is Pioneer downgrading them self like this?!
No way I will buy a plasma that wont allow me to adjust the picture!

kamikaze some settings are removed some are hardcoded DRE NR Gamma set to certain values Color temp etc etc

What is this picture setting everyone is talking about? I looked at the 5020 manual and all the usual suspects were there, brightness, contrast and colour. These are the only settings I ever touch to adjust the picture quality on my plasma, and even with so few I still fiddle around with them so much that I drive myself crazy.

Why is Pioneer downgrading them self like this?!
No way I will buy a plasma that wont allow me to adjust the picture!

I don't think they are. If flexibility is really important to you the go for the 151or 111 and you can adjust things and still for about the price of an 8G 6010 or 5010. Where are they dowgrading themselves? With the 6020 and 5020 they are offering a quality TV at a lower price albeit with less tweaking capability. I am sure that there a lot of people who do not subscribe to these forums that really just want to plug it in and get a good picture right off the bat. The 6020 or 5020 at the price point is perfect for them.

surap,
Some do not feel that this is much of a downgrade. Let us wait and see what D-Nice

has to say after he gets his 6020 and does his thing with it before we jump to

conclusions. I don't feel that Pioneer will want to hurt their image by selling an inferior

product. As a matter of fact IMHO I think that Pio is superior-even their entry level PDP.

Just my HO-Thanks

Sorry, I got nervous..:p
Just the thougt of having a tv you cant calibrate is enough for me to assume that this will be the future of television. Everything is calibrated by the tv itself. Nothing to do in the evening...;)

D-Nice - Any ETA on your second 6020 from Robert?Tomorrow :)

Tomorrow :)

heres to a hoping everything goes smooth and 7 days to go before you get your review right D-nice?

I was just wondering why Pioneer opted for color space 1 to use as the color palette on the non-elites when color space 2 is so much more accurate. I would think it would not cost pioneer any more money to implement the better color palette since it is more of a software tweak than say using bettter glass or better parts for the hardware. Do you think this is only a way for Pioneer to differentiate the elites from the non-elites?

I am thinking about getting the 6020 calibrated but am wondering if it is worth it. I know pioneer took some settings out and no one seems to know how to get into the service menu yet. Will these issues effect the calibration process?To calibrate or not to calibrate depends on the individual as calibration isn't for everyone. If you are an A/V enthusiast and care about a correct grayscale (D65), then yes calibration is for you. If you prefer what people call a "sharp...crisp.....punchy" picture, then calibration may not be right for you.

With your current TV, do you watch it with it's lowest color temp (you may classify the picture as having a red/warm tone)? If so, you would love a truly calibrated picture. If you normally have your color temp set to Cool, Neutral, Mid...etc you may not like the end result of calibration as the picture would seem "yellow-er" compared to what you have been accustomed to viewing.

I don't think they are. If flexibility is really important to you the go for the 151or 111 and you can adjust things and still for about the price of an 8G 6010 or 5010. Where are they dowgrading themselves? With the 6020 and 5020 they are offering a quality TV at a lower price albeit with less tweaking capability. I am sure that there a lot of people who do not subscribe to these forums that really just want to plug it in and get a good picture right off the bat. The 6020 or 5020 at the price point is perfect for them.

Too bad Pioneer didn't have a "calibration" model of the 6020/5020 - a 6020c/5020c with the tweaking capability opened up. Wonder what the delta would have been?

I was just wondering why Pioneer opted for color space 1 to use as the color palette on the non-elites when color space 2 is so much more accurate. I would think it would not cost pioneer any more money to implement the better color palette since it is more of a software tweak than say using bettter glass or better parts for the hardware. Do you think this is only a way for Pioneer to differentiate the elites from the non-elites?Because mass market like oversaturated greens and reds. Please remember mass market pays the bills....not enthusiast :)

heres to a hoping everything goes smooth and 7 days to go before you get your review right D-nice?Yes if everything goes well....T-minus 7 days till a full review.

I will give my initial take tomorrow evening...including some pre-calibration numbers.

Then the xx20 series is perfect for you!

I know it is and unless I decide to go with LCD this time just for the hell of it I am getting the 5020.

^^^^^^
kamikaze some settings are removed some are hardcoded DRE NR Gamma set to certain values Color temp etc etc

I know about all this. What puzzled me was all the people talking about a specific picture control that had been removed, prolly the gamma control you mention, but everyone called it something different. For a sec people had me worried that Pioneer had removed brightness, contrast or colour controls which definitly would have bothered the hell out of me.

Colour temperature control is something I always like to set to warm to make things look more warm, vibrant and pleasant looking to my eyes. But not such a big deal if I cannot do it on the 5020 I suppose.

But that gamma control is certainly something I have never heard about before, none of the televisions I've had came with such a picture control, its omission is welcome though, one more factor to fiddle with is the last thing I need at this point.

I hope in the future televisions will be able to calibrate themselves somehow, that would be a life saver for sure.

you're joking with the lcd comment right?:rolleyes: even the 5020 is better sorry i dont know if that is what its called but i think its that it relates to having the closes thing in grayscale to d65k, and tv could of be been calibrated from factory but just like any other brand they pump out its max settings so the customers get the wow to the brightest tv etc etc also theirs a sensor on the elites (dont know if on non elite) but it ajust accordingly it ajust to your room and lighing condition for auto increase in brightness or decrease as its dark .... and ajust other areas as well besides brightness

Yes if everything goes well....T-minus 7 days till a full review.

I will give my initial take tomorrow evening...including some pre-calibration numbers.

Do you have a sensor and software to track/adjust gray scale? If so, it would be cool to see how much the set drifts during break in, but pre-post calibration.


bob

Does anyone know if the DVD version has the same possible issue with the two reds of the same brightness that was mentioned earlier in regards to the the downloadable files?

TIA

The dvd is fine and displays graduated color (white,red,green,blue) levels. The dvd may have a running time of approx. 24hrs.

This is exactly what I am concerned with....I'm wodering if I will regret getting a 9G (151FD), when the 10G will be zero luminance. This will result in a black level that is unbeatable. It's not like the 11G's will be any "blacker". I wonder after owning one for awhile (or more importantly, when the 10G's come out) if I will begin to have the same feelings towards 9G black levels...... I guess what it comes down to, is if you are willing to wait.... .I'm not good at that:(\

I'm sure you'll be happy with the 151FD until the 10G arrives:). For those of us who stick around this happens every year. For me, IF I can sell my 8G for a reasonable price and get a 6020 at forum sponsor pricing, the difference I pay will probably offset the cost of what the 6020 would be worth when I sell it for the 10G (or whatever can stand up to it) the following year. Finances agreeing of course :).

Do you have a sensor and software to track/adjust gray scale?But of course :)

Just to let everyone interested know, my MHT (Princeton, NJ) has ALL 9G models, Elite and non-Elite, in stock in their local warehouse. You should be able to get ANY model within a few days from them.

Roman O,
Thanks for your response. Will the Kuros support the Pal HD standard ( DVB)? I am trying to decide between the Panny Prof monitors and a Kuro ( either elite or a monitor).
The dealbreaker would be support of PAL HD (DVB) standard.

The dvd is fine and displays graduated color (white,red,green,blue) levels. The dvd may have a running time of approx. 24hrs.

Where does one get this DVD :confused:

Really?? Where you located? Salt Lake??

I watch a ton of sports in HD - that is my main bag. The second most watched medium for me is movies. I also love video games. My current plasma (1 1/2 year old sammy 5053) has what I will call "flaring" or "shimmering" pixels in the bottom right corner where all of the scoreboards usually are. There is no burn in, but these pixels have obviously not aged the same. I will also note that these flaring pixels dramatically die down after the display has warmed up and been on for awhile.

I know these static images (tickers and scoreboards) are terrible for plasmas, but this is unavoidable to me because my favorite thing to watch is sports. I do my best to watch movies in between games to effectively "wash" the screen with a source that has no static images. Besides break-in, is this the best thing I can do to combat all the static images in sports and video games?

Also, should I ever consider using the Display's own wash feature? I've heard that this works, but can prematurely age the set.


I have ordered a 6020, but am giving serious thought to a PRO-151FD. However, my viewing habits concern me - I think it would be silly to get an Elite if I am going to ruin it within 5 years. Thoughts?

Just to let everyone interested know, my MHT (Princeton, NJ) has ALL 9G models, Elite and non-Elite, in stock in their local warehouse. You should be able to get ANY model within a few days from them.

Submitted without comment.

What the... did I just skip right over that?! Man I'm a ******.

Anyway, that's odd. You would think us here in California would get them before New Jersey would, given the production of the units are here in California...

This gets me hopeful that I may get my TV even sooner!!!

^^^^^
aetherhole im given an june 29 date for PRO-111FD on my local bestbuys
you can download it for free theirs a link on the break in thread

Where does one get this DVD :confused:

i dont think you will have an issue with the pioneer im always watching sports and games with my px75u and have no sign of what you seem to be getting normaly some tv sets that are fairly new do have a feature to wash it out but that reduces the life expectenciy. you can run the break in if you see such signs

I watch a ton of sports in HD - that is my main bag. The second most watched medium for me is movies. I also love video games. My current plasma (1 1/2 year old sammy 5053) has what I will call "flaring" or "shimmering" pixels in the bottom right corner where all of the scoreboards usually are. There is no burn in, but these pixels have obviously not aged the same. I will also note that these flaring pixels dramatically die down after the display has warmed up and been on for awhile.

I know these static images (tickers and scoreboards) are terrible for plasmas, but this is unavoidable to me because my favorite thing to watch is sports. I do my best to watch movies in between games to effectively "wash" the screen with a source that has no static images. Besides break-in, is this the best thing I can do to combat all the static images in sports and video games?

Also, should I ever consider using the Display's own wash feature? I've heard that this works, but can prematurely age the set.


I have ordered a 6020, but am giving serious thought to a PRO-151FD. However, my viewing habits concern me - I think it would be silly to get an Elite if I am going to ruin it within 5 years. Thoughts?

I watch a ton of sports in HD - that is my main bag. The second most watched medium for me is movies. I also love video games. My current plasma (1 1/2 year old sammy 5053) has what I will call "flaring" or "shimmering" pixels in the bottom right corner where all of the scoreboards usually are. There is no burn in, but these pixels have obviously not aged the same. I will also note that these flaring pixels dramatically die down after the display has warmed up and been on for awhile.

I know these static images (tickers and scoreboards) are terrible for plasmas, but this is unavoidable to me because my favorite thing to watch is sports. I do my best to watch movies in between games to effectively "wash" the screen with a source that has no static images. Besides break-in, is this the best thing I can do to combat all the static images in sports and video games?

Also, should I ever consider using the Display's own wash feature? I've heard that this works, but can prematurely age the set.


I have ordered a 6020, but am giving serious thought to a PRO-151FD. However, my viewing habits concern me - I think it would be silly to get an Elite if I am going to ruin it within 5 years. Thoughts?

I do not yet own a plasma - but from my reading here, today's sets of all the major brands are significantly more resistant to IR than yours would have been. The orbiter on the Pioneer will also make IR of any kind much less likely. I have yet to hear of an 8th generation with burn in. I think you're safe.

Just to let everyone interested know, my MHT (Princeton, NJ) has ALL 9G models, Elite and non-Elite, in stock in their local warehouse. You should be able to get ANY model within a few days from them.

Hm...although the system says that I have them in the warehouse, meaning it should be 3-4 days at max, let me check later tonight that when I go ahead and actually order them, the date doesn't change. I've never seen this happen after ~2 years of working here, but you never know, considering when everyone else is getting ship dates quoted. I'll update later.

Does anyone know when the PRO111's will ship?

Just to let everyone interested know, my MHT (Princeton, NJ) has ALL 9G models, Elite and non-Elite, in stock in their local warehouse. You should be able to get ANY model within a few days from them.

Will they set them up in their showroom? If so, let us know what your impressions are with the Elites!

Hm...although the system says that I have them in the warehouse, meaning it should be 3-4 days at max, let me check later tonight that when I go ahead and actually order them, the date doesn't change. I've never seen this happen after ~2 years of working here, but you never know, considering when everyone else is getting ship dates quoted. I'll update later.

I was told mid June for my Elite. I doubt it though. I'm thinking more like later in June. Your in NJ? I'm in AZ right next to CA so getting it a little bit earlier could happen if you are getting yours this early.

Anyway, you may be the first to get the Elites on this board!

D-Nice, Can't wait for your review! Dying to know your take on PQ of the XX20 vs. XX10 since some programmability has been removed on the XX20 models.

you're joking with the lcd comment right?:rolleyes:

No, since these forums have done such a bang up job of educating me about all crippling flaws that I wish I could forget about which all those expensive flat panels suffer from I am prolly going to switch every 2 years or so. I've had a Panasonic plasma for 2 years now and wouldn't mind trying out an LCD this time, just to try and live with a different set flaws this time, it will be refreshing.

I know everyone swears by Plasma's here but there is just something about the sharpness and vibrancy of colours on a good LCD that strikes me as desirable, specially for gaming which is and always will be my main use for the panel.

I am going to use the forums to skim the cream of crop in my budget from both Plasma and LCD and just go with whatever my eyes tell looks better when I actually get to see them. So far purely research wise it is a tossup between a SONY KDL 46Z4100 and a Pioneer PDP 5020. The Pioneer costs a grand more in MSRP so it had better look it too, in order to win.

Will they set them up in their showroom? If so, let us know what your impressions are with the Elites!

Our management is a little strict on store displays, so first we have to go by the "In-Stock Date," which I believe is the 29th for the 9G sets. Second, the existing models must be sold. The PRO-150 and PDP-5080 are both sold, but the PRO-1150 and PRO-110 are still available for "open box." Once those are sold, we have new models in stock, AND the in-store date has passed, we will put them up.

Don't worry, as soon as they're available, I'll have it out on display, get our local ISF guy to calibrate it (or, use D-Nice settings if they're available, b/c who trusts Geek Squad calibration), and I'll get impressions out.

I have yet to hear of an 8th generation with burn in

I returned my Pio 5010 because of burn in. It was a floor model so Pioneer told me they would not warranty it. (The repair company told me it was a panel defect and not burn in, however apparantly Pioneer convinced them otherwise)

D-Nice, Can't wait for your review! Dying to know your take on PQ of the XX20 vs. XX10 since some programmability has been removed on the XX20 models.

My money is on the XX20 being superior even with the loss of a few adjustability features.
I am still wondering about the PQ difference between a non-elite 9G and an elite 8G.
I think that the 9G will win in Black levels but I don't know about color etc.
Time will tell. I am anxiously awaiting the results of Roberts flat-panel shoot out. Sure wish I could be there. I would learn alot at that event I bet.

Kamakazi, for what it’s worth, I am coming from the LCD camp into the plasma camp for the first time. I have never been a big fan of the plasma technology; until now. LCDs have more often than not impressed me more than plasmas have with the exception of one of two brands, Pioneer and Panasonic. Up until recently the drawbacks of the plasma technology really weighed heavily on my decision to ultimately stick with LCDs. About 6 months ago I got a Sony 52XBR5 and initially was incredibly impressed by it, but fast forward several months and I’m starting to dislike some of the major flaws of the LCD technology. The biggest thing I cannot get passed is the motion lag and color lag. True, the 120Hz sets do a better job with this, but it is still not on par with plasmas and not even close to CRT sets. Black level of LCD TVs became an issue. As dark as I could make my XBR5, it came with sacrifices. I have my XBR5 set to Power Savings @ Low and Back Lighting @ Minimum. With these settings I get a good black level, but I fear I am crushing black levels a bit too much and the image of the set is relatively dark, even by plasma standards; and what’s more, the ANSI contrast of the plasmas is still ahead of the best LCDs, especially now the 9G Pioneers. The contrast issue and black level has and will continue to improve for LCDs, but my dilemma was this: “Why wait for something that will happen for LCDs that already is happening for plasmas?” Colors on the plasmas still look more natural also; plasmas handle fast motion better still; ANSI and on/off contrast is generally still better.

This may be a stupid question, but I have to ask. I know about the 250 mile limit for Elite dealers on plasmas. Does that limit apply to Elite recievers and BD players too?

Yes ^^

-Robert

This may be a stupid question, but I have to ask. I know about the 250 mile limit for Elite dealers on plasmas. Does that limit apply to Elite recievers and BD players too?


Hehe...what a stupid policy.

I've been following this thread a long time. And I'm more confused then ever. I'm torn between ordering an FD-111 and a 5020. I'm not a tweaking kind of guy but even I find it kind of inconceivable that the 5020 has adjustments missing that I have in my 5060. What if I'm not happy with any of the modes? So then my thinking swings towards the FD-111 but I wonder if I want to pay a premium on a display when the market is so dynamic with the move towards CRT quality displays. On the other hand, I think to myself, if I get the Elite, I can get it ISF'd when the 10G's come out and hopefully feel like I have a whole new display. This hopefully will lessen the desire to run out and buy a 10G. Buying a new display, speaking for me and me only, doesn't seem quite right.

Do any of you 6020 owners regret not having the missing menu items?

Thanks.

My opinion doesn't really mean much because I really don't know much about TV's and I really don't watch that much TV. I don't think I changed one setting on my last TV through the 7 years of owning it. It was a sony xbr800 crt.

But if I never got on this forum, still bought a 6020, pluged it in, put it on optimum mode or performence mode, and started watching TV. I would have thought I had the best TV in the market. I am very impressed with the 6020 and the only thing I have watched so far are the NBA finals game and a couple hdtv shows. Once the break in is done and I can watch dvd's and blue-rays I am sure I will be amazed.

The settings issue will effect certain people, but I could bet 90 percent of the people outside of this forum that will buy this TV will never notice it.

You're opinion means alot to me, ylnad123. Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts.

glashub if you can i'd say get the elite while you may not frequently ajust the set you might want to do so every now and then or if you ever want an isf calibration the elite will yeild to better results, my opion is sine this is the last time for pioneer in house production on the glass panels and i dont know about you but i would rather be safe then sorry if it does meet to pioneer / panasonic specs then you then determine if the upgrade is worth it to you.

sorry if i didnt make sense and for my miss spelling

glashub if you can i'd say get the elite while you may not frequently ajust the set you might want to do so every now and then or if you ever want an isf calibration the elite will yeild to better results, my opion is sine this is the last time for pioneer in house production on the glass panels and i dont know about you but i would rather be safe then sorry if it does meet to pioneer / panasonic specs then you then determine if the upgrade is worth it to you.

sorry if i didnt make sense and for my miss spelling


Glashhub, I would also like to add that I got the non elite because it was in stock at the time and I thought then that the elite won't be out until August.

If they were both out at the same time, I would have bought the elite for a "just in case" situation. But again I don't regret getting the 6020 at all, I think the picture is great.

Well, my 6020 came in today... but I decided to upgrade to a PRO-151FD, which will be here (Colorado) on Friday. :)

I'm tired of analyzing this stuff to death, I just want the best/most adjustable and to be done with it. I also figure that I get another year with the Elite's warranty and that, at 29, this is the time when my vision can easily discern a difference in superior PQ.

I am officially a PQ junkie.

gus and ylnad, you guys are great. You're helping me out here. Thanks.

at 29, this is the time when my vision can easily discern a difference in superior PQDo you own a home to go with that fancy PDP?

I'm not a tweaking kind of guy...
Do any of you 6020 owners regret not having the missing menu items?
Thanks.

I don't regret at all. Honestly, I would probably be the same happy with or without those 'missing' menu items. I would probably be more happier with Elite model, quality wise, but then spending extra $$$ would hurt my budget. I know I've got one of the best display - 6020- for very reasonable but still higher than other TVs price and VERY happy with it as is.

"Do you own a home to go with that fancy PDP?"

That's about 1 year away for me. I'm pretty much entering the most expensive part of my life.

Some people like fancy cars, I view transportation as point A to point B. But when it comes to PQ, I am ferociously particular ;)

"Do you own a home to go with that fancy PDP?"

I find that question to be a little bit pretentious. What does owning a home have to do with owning a plasma display? Should the two go hand in hand? Some people actually choose not to own a house and rent an apartment/condo/etc.

But of course :)

Dumb question huh?


:p

"Do you own a home to go with that fancy PDP?"

I find that question to be a little bit pretentious. What does owning a home have to do with owning a plasma display? Should the two go hand in hand? Some people actually choose not to own a house and rent an apartment/condo/etc.


I did to, but I'm not into internet dick measuring contests, so I answered truthfully.

And if worse comes to worse, I can always live in the Kuro! Which could happen if the girlfriend ever finds out how much it was ;)

I did to, but I'm not into internet dick measuring contests

Spoken like a man who knows he couldn't win an internet dick measuring contest. ;)

I'm ordering my butlers to mock you both. ;)

If she asks, just say, "Ignorance is bliss, my dear. Ignorance is bliss." :)

Roman O,
Thanks for your response. Will the Kuros support the Pal HD standard ( DVB)? I am trying to decide between the Panny Prof monitors and a Kuro ( either elite or a monitor).
The dealbreaker would be support of PAL HD (DVB) standard.

I dont see why not, you have to have an external tuner. Never had any complaints from many people in Europe.

"Do you own a home to go with that fancy PDP?"

I find that question to be a little bit pretentious. What does owning a home have to do with owning a plasma display? Should the two go hand in hand? Some people actually choose not to own a house and rent an apartment/condo/etc.

I agree that whether you own a home or if you do what kind it is, is irrelevant. What does surprise me though is the number of people spending $$$$ on displays, but have $ sound systems to go with them. The whole movie theater immersion absolutely requires a good sound system to go with those blacks, etc.

I did to, but I'm not into internet dick measuring contests, so I answered truthfully.

And if worse comes to worse, I can always live in the Kuro! Which could happen if the girlfriend ever finds out how much it was ;)

and it will keep you warm in the winter too - the Kuro that is... :)

I agree that whether you own a home or if you do what kind it is, is irrelevant. What does surprise me though is the number of people spending $$$$ on displays, but have $ sound systems to go with them. The whole movie theater immersion absolutely requires a good sound system to go with those blacks, etc.


I completely agree about having a good surround system, but I think sound is even more subjective than PQ. Granted, there are definitely different tastes with PQ as well, but the disparity in what people think sounds good seems even larger to me. For example, I have had klipsch surround setups in the past so I am conditioned to like a brighter sound. Plenty of folks around here hate Klipsch for this reason. When I listen to Def Techs, they sound very warm and full to me, but I still prefer the more pronounced/crips highs that most klipsch are associated with.

That said, almost anything beats a home theatre in-a-box type setup.

What else should I consider if I like Klipsch? (For those that are keeping track of my financial/living situation, don't worry, me and my small penis can't afford anything else right now.)

Ok Folks,
I am getting ready to order 5020. Before I do I would like to find out pricing of 6020 and 50" Elite. How do I find forum sponsors websites? I can only see Invision at the top. ValueElec's webpage is not opening. Roman's site doesn't list pioneer at all. If recommending is against the rule, pl PM. Also advise if I should buy the extended warranty and which one is better. This is my first big screen.

aks434, a power outage in the grid where our site is housed shut down our site and we're working on getting it back up. No effect in our offices or store as the site is served in a remote location.

-Robert

I am taking some of Robert's advice. As soon as finances allow, I plan to purchase the Pro-141FD along with the BDP-05FD. I then plan to spend $500 to have 141 professionally calibrated by a local high end dealer.

My opinion doesn't really mean much because I really don't know much about TV's and I really don't watch that much TV. I don't think I changed one setting on my last TV through the 7 years of owning it. It was a sony xbr800 crt.

But if I never got on this forum, still bought a 6020, pluged it in, put it on optimum mode or performence mode, and started watching TV. I would have thought I had the best TV in the market. I am very impressed with the 6020 and the only thing I have watched so far are the NBA finals game and a couple hdtv shows. Once the break in is done and I can watch dvd's and blue-rays I am sure I will be amazed.

The settings issue will effect certain people, but I could bet 90 percent of the people outside of this forum that will buy this TV will never notice it.

I think there is a point when I'd ask myself if I'm buying a TV to watch the picture or watch the program. All the dissecting and parsing and examining will wear me out. If I have to strain to see a difference, maybe that difference isn't worth the trouble. Seeing the 5010 compared to everything else on the wall in BB, it was obvious the 5010 was best. I hope it's the same with the 5020. In a BB magnolia today I saw a Sharp SE set, displayed underneath a PRO-1150, which was to the right of a PRO-110.The PRO-110 was obviously better-looking than both, though I know nothing was calibrated. I didn't have to think or analyze anything. The same with shopping for stereo equipment years back; I realized I was in trouble when I found myself listening to the sound and not the music.

I agree that whether you own a home or if you do what kind it is, is irrelevant. What does surprise me though is the number of people spending $$$$ on displays, but have $ sound systems to go with them. The whole movie theater immersion absolutely requires a good sound system to go with those blacks, etc.

That I agree with, but that's just a subjective matter. Some people don't care about the sound. Though there are some consider themselves videophiles; some consider themselves audiophiles; some consider themselves both audiophiles AND videophiles (like me!!!). I know plenty of people who have fantastic sound setups and are still using less than mediocre televisions, like a 27" tube TV and not even a flat screen.

Regardless, one's priorities are a man's (and woman's) prerogative. However someone is able to enjoy things in life should be all that matters.

Unfortunately, to be both an audiophile and a videophile together costs just that much more....

True, the 120Hz sets do a better job with this, but it is still not on par with plasmas and not even close to CRT sets.

What is better on CRT than Plasmas?

Well, my 6020 came in today... but I decided to upgrade to a PRO-151FD, which will be here (Colorado) on Friday. :)

I'm tired of analyzing this stuff to death, I just want the best/most adjustable and to be done with it. I also figure that I get another year with the Elite's warranty and that, at 29, this is the time when my vision can easily discern a difference in superior PQ.

I am officially a PQ junkie.

You may very well be the first non dealer to post about the 151FD! I just got an update about my arrival of the 151FD, I'm now told between June 24 through the 30th. It's pretty much what I thought.

The bottom line: it should transfer. You should give your friend the original purchase receipt whether or not you registered the set in your name so that he can prove that the set originated from an authorized dealer or distributor.

From Pioneer's warranty language (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/29529538HEelite.pdf):

"THIS LIMITED WARRANTY APPLIES TO THE ORIGINAL OR ANY SUBSEQUENT OWNER OF THIS PIONEER PRODUCT DURING THE WARRANTY PERIOD PROVIDED THE PRODUCT WAS PURCHASED FROM AN AUTHORIZED PIONEER DISTRIBUTOR/DEALER IN THE U.S.A."

Thank you all for your responses and you, fallenbuddha, for the quote, it helps a lot. Now I can show it to my friend and he'll see he shouldn't have problems with the guarantee.

And I am sorry for not remembering this had already been discussed. :o

I think there is a point when I'd ask myself if I'm buying a TV to watch the picture or watch the program.

The same with shopping for stereo equipment years back; I realized I was in trouble when I found myself listening to the sound and not the music.

You can ask yourself the same question while going to a movie theater. Do I want to see this movie at a movie theater, or the same movie at an IMAX. Even if not for the extra size however, as you know your going to see a better looking picture at the IMAX.

I can easily get into the story of the movie or the music in the audio, but it's more involving when video and audio are as good as I can get.

Some pics:

More:

Official JDM release:

http://pioneer.jp/press/2008/0610-1.html

Black levels seem good from pic #4, others have flash on them.

This will be interesting when they finally ship for USDM, seems like incremental improvement over 8G.

Black levels seem good from pic #4, others have flash on them.

This will be interesting when they finally ship for USDM, seems like incremental improvement over 8G.Agreed... Does anybody know Japanese or feels like running it through a translator.

Barnman, CRTs still can resolve motion resolution better than plasmas can and plasmas are still a bit better than even the 120Hz LCDs in motion resolution.

Thank you all for your responses and you, fallenbuddha, for the quote, it helps a lot. Now I can show it to my friend and he'll see he shouldn't have problems with the guarantee.

Glad I could help. At least someone has benefited from my obsessive trolling of the forum, instead of working. :)

Official JDM release:

http://pioneer.jp/press/2008/0610-1.html

What does this represent? Is this the monitor only version that's coming out in the US?

focusedone congrats on the upgrade!

Well, my 6020 came in today... but I decided to upgrade to a PRO-151FD, which will be here (Colorado) on Friday. :)

I'm tired of analyzing this stuff to death, I just want the best/most adjustable and to be done with it. I also figure that I get another year with the Elite's warranty and that, at 29, this is the time when my vision can easily discern a difference in superior PQ.

I am officially a PQ junkie.

Glashub Im glad i help'd out its post like these that i look fowad from hearing

gus and ylnad, you guys are great. You're helping me out here. Thanks.

aetherhole i agree and Enough with the house topic please:D

"Do you own a home to go with that fancy PDP?"

I find that question to be a little bit pretentious. What does owning a home have to do with owning a plasma display? Should the two go hand in hand? Some people actually choose not to own a house and rent an apartment/condo/etc.

Colt it says that its stanby power usuage compared to the xx10 series from last year, its also comparing the other area's of PQ inprovement

Agreed... Does anybody know Japanese or feels like running it through a translator.

Aetherhole i would cross out the fake 120hz since this only adds artificial thing that is not sopposed to be there.... for lcd to me its 60hz and that it!

Barnman, CRTs still can resolve motion resolution better than plasmas can and plasmas are still a bit better than even the 120Hz LCDs in motion resolution.

Thanks Gus, and thanks for all your insight. This place is an invaluable resource. I crack out on all the info here.

Honestly, is the average person going to see the difference between an 8g or 9g? What about between the 9g, and the 10g next year? I currently have a Sony widescreen CRT, but don't want to take a huge step back in black levels. I'm not sure if I should pickup an 8g and a lower price, grab the 9g, or wait for the 10g. :)

apparently the price matched the Canadian and US MSRPs

yaaaaaaay

And here's the update:

The Princeton, NJ Magnolia store has EVERY SINGLE 9G KURO IN ITS WAREHOUSE. This means that pretty much any store in the central-NJ area can get any of these sets (PDP-5020, PDP-6020, PRO-111, PRO-151). As of today, if it is ordered today, it will get here in three days. That's right, the PRO-151/111 is available by Friday in the central-NJ area.

Confirmed!

I just received my 6020. This is my first plasma, always had LCD before. During the "burn in" disk I noticed I have a stuck pixel. I noticed it about 2 hours in to the "burn in" but did not look real close before that. Is this something that might go away? Anything I can do about it?

dfedders well average people that own a 6020 already noticing an inprovement/ differance, no one knows about 10g since its its not house pioneer glass/panel this has in question towards the future of pioneer/panasonic quality despite pioneer saying otherwise. Also you will see an inprovement from your crt to the plasma including in PQ forget 10g for now focus on 9g if budget permits. then later once a huge diffrence has happen then it be wise to upgrade or you can do the endless cycle of upgrading every inproved panel. I know i wont .

I played the crt > panny card i lost that gamble so now i have to get a PRO-111FD.

Honestly, is the average person going to see the difference between an 8g or 9g? What about between the 9g, and the 10g next year? I currently have a Sony widescreen CRT, but don't want to take a huge step back in black levels. I'm not sure if I should pickup an 8g and a lower price, grab the 9g, or wait for the 10g. :)

slcentral thats great news for east coast but what about west coast all i know is june 29 for our bestbuy on the PRO-111FD

And here's the update:

The Princeton, NJ Magnolia store has EVERY SINGLE 9G KURO IN ITS WAREHOUSE. This means that pretty much any store in the central-NJ area can get any of these sets (PDP-5020, PDP-6020, PRO-111, PRO-151). As of today, if it is ordered today, it will get here in three days. That's right, the PRO-151/111 is available by Friday in the central-NJ area.

Confirmed!

cola its break in disc not burn in :D and if a stuck pixel does not move its stuck there bro :( it does not hurt to finish the break in proces (per d-nice recomended 150 hrs ( about 6 days) with ajusted settings and then we'll see if it goes away :D

I just received my 6020. This is my first plasma, always had LCD before. During the "burn in" disk I noticed I have a stuck pixel. I noticed it about 2 hours in to the "burn in" but did not look real close before that. Is this something that might go away? Anything I can do about it?

That's VERY interesting!! I hope that my contact will be getting it really soon, too!

During the "burn in" disk I noticed I have a stuck pixel. ... Is this something that might go away?Yes. Are you using D-Nice's break-in settings for the 8G sets along with the break-in disk that's required if you are using those settings?

Anything I can do about it?You can also run one of the Pixar animation films that have very bright colors, but don't do that with D-Nice's break-in settings. Use his reference settings for the 5010/6010 8G models. Also zoom the image to fill the whole screen.

A few hours of that will free up most stuck pixels. If your pixel is stuck and not dead then it will probably free itself up with some vigorous exercise.

Yes! Alex gave me the call today, my 5020 is shipping tomorrow!!

Great service, and I can't wait for my first HD tv!!! :D

That I agree with, but that's just a subjective matter. Some people don't care about the sound. Though there are some consider themselves videophiles; some consider themselves audiophiles; some consider themselves both audiophiles AND videophiles (like me!!!). I know plenty of people who have fantastic sound setups and are still using less than mediocre televisions, like a 27" tube TV and not even a flat screen.

Regardless, one's priorities are a man's (and woman's) prerogative. However someone is able to enjoy things in life should be all that matters.

Unfortunately, to be both an audiophile and a videophile together costs just that much more....
You don't need to be an audiophile to have a decent sound system. I know
what you mean and all, but even a cheap Logitech Z5500 speaker system
works wonders with an HDTV (barely $200). You should at least get something
that allows 5.1 and such.

Yes! Alex gave me the call today, my 5020 is shipping tomorrow!!

Great service, and I can't wait for my first HD tv!!! :D

Nice! Congrats and please post some pics when you get it.

And here's the update:

The Princeton, NJ Magnolia store has EVERY SINGLE 9G KURO IN ITS WAREHOUSE. This means that pretty much any store in the central-NJ area can get any of these sets (PDP-5020, PDP-6020, PRO-111, PRO-151). As of today, if it is ordered today, it will get here in three days. That's right, the PRO-151/111 is available by Friday in the central-NJ area.

Confirmed!


That got my attention :eek:

Any Sponsors check their 'warehouses' lately? ;)

Nambit, seems you and I are somewhat at odds on a few topics here. :)

Yes almost any surround sound setup would be beneficial to an incredibly nice TV like the Pioneer 9G's, but it's hard for me to justify spending $5000+ on a TV to only spend $200 on a surround sound setup. That's just me, though. It's just a personal taste and very dependent upon how well the person can see and hear. Unfortunately, I am a stickler for nuance and detail which applies to both audio and video, which starts getting costly. As an opposite example, one of my close friend has good eyesight, but doesn't have an ear as attenuated as mine so he bought a home theater in a box. The only difference between my system and his system, according to him is "[mine] is louder." Absolutely no point in buying more than you can appreciate, but again how much is actually "appreciated" really is subjective.

Nambit, seems you and I are somewhat at odds on a few topics here. :)

Yes almost any surround sound setup would be beneficial to an incredibly nice TV like the Pioneer 9G's, but it's hard for me to justify spending $5000+ on a TV to only spend $200 on a surround sound setup.
(the $200 speaker comment was an extreme example and was meant as temporary speakers until you get something really nice later on)

Seriously, I know what you mean. I spent $4000+ on a Sony XBR CRT HDTV and didn't have any external speakers. For a few years,
my friend was on my case as I spent so much money on the TV and yet nothing on a sound system. I explained the TV was more
important, but he explained I am not getting the full theatrical experience because of a lack of sound. Like you, I couldn't imagine
buying a cheap sound system for my awesome TV... so I decided it's best to wait. Later on, though, I picked up a Logitech 5500
system for my PC and decided to try it on the TV. Whoah, it made all the difference in the world for me as they completely blew
away my TVs speakers, especially with digital content. I was convinced I should set my next goal for a nice sound system. A year or
so later, I picked up a Yamaha receiver and a nice set of Energy Encore speakers for the room (I still had to stick to a budget).

And, for the record, it took me 3 years after the TV purchase to finally get my decent speakers. :)

Ahhh, see you omitted the fact that it was a temporary solution! See, I've had to deal with this very same topic 3 times in the last several months. Friends and friends of friends come to me for Home Theater advice and I give them my personal opinions on everything and in each of the three cases, they did not listen to me at all. As another extreme example to our subject at hand, one of my friends came to me asking about front projectors and screens, he ended up ordering a Sony VPL-VW200, which if you are not familiar is a $15000 projector with a Stewart Firehawk screen. Do you know what he got to go WITH it??? A sony home theater in a box 5.1 setup. Not as a temporary solution, just because he thought it was a good idea. That's just plain silly to me. Did he even get an HD-DVD or Blu-ray player? No. He's sticking with his original DVD player. Crying shame, I tell ya.

ANYWAY back to the original topic........

I'm so incredibly anxious to get my 151! I keep hearing people say end of June, end of June, which is reassuring to hear, but now throw into the mix SLCentral's comments about them being "IN WAREHOUSE" in New Jersey. I can hardly contain myself!!!!

I'm so incredibly anxious to get my 151! I keep hearing people say end of June, end of June, which is reassuring to hear, but now throw into the mix SLCentral's comments about them being "IN WAREHOUSE" in New Jersey. I can hardly contain myself!!!!
Sigh, I have to wait until 2009 to appreciate my pending 151. I have confirmed
a group buy here in Canada and will likely be getting the TV over the summer
(perhaps July) but I don't have anywhere to put it until my new house is built
in january! :eek:

Worse off, I am still wondering if I should go 141 monitor... and that damned
projector is sounding nice too! :cool:

This may be a stupid question, but I have to ask. I know about the 250 mile limit for Elite dealers on plasmas. Does that limit apply to Elite recievers and BD players too?

just contact pioneer and get "permission" to purchase from the Pioneer Elite dealer of your choice..:):):)

If you've already gotta wait, why not just go with the 141? One of the few reasons I am not is simply because I don't want to wait (but the real reason is I like the built-in tuner).

That's gotta be tough, though. My XBR5 will be sold and picked up by my brother here this weekend and I will be without a TV for (what I hope) will be only a week or maybe two at max. I am thinking the agony of not having a set for that short period of time is going to be horrible enough!

I have a stack of Blu-Ray discs that I'm putting off watching until my 151 arrives, whenever that might be. I'm a pessimist so I figure it'll be early July before I get mine, and then I'll be lucky if it hasn't been damaged during shipping. I'm DYING to watch There Will Be Blood too. I missed it during the theatrical run because I was in the hospital.
D'oh!

And here's the update:

The Princeton, NJ Magnolia store has EVERY SINGLE 9G KURO IN ITS WAREHOUSE. This means that pretty much any store in the central-NJ area can get any of these sets (PDP-5020, PDP-6020, PRO-111, PRO-151). As of today, if it is ordered today, it will get here in three days. That's right, the PRO-151/111 is available by Friday in the central-NJ area.

Confirmed!

I work at the Chesterfield, MO Mag and we can order all models. Have already sold 2 PRO-151FDs sight unseen.

IMHO, for a true theatre experience you absolutely must have a surround sound system (minimum 5.1 with sub) to match the video ... especially if the signal is coming from a Blu-ray disc. For me you are wasting your money if one half over powers the other ... whether it is sound or video. In fact, sound may even be more important than the video.

With some movies the sound is incredibly important. I was just thinking of the opening scene in of "Sweeney Todd" ... the pipe organ is bloody amazing on a good sound system.

IMHO, for a true theatre experience you absolutely must have a surround sound system (minimum 5.1 with sub) to match the video ... especially if the signal is coming from a Blu-ray disc. For me you are wasting your money if one half over powers the other ... whether it is sound or video. In fact, sound may even be more important than the video.

With some movies the sound is incredibly important. I was just thinking of the opening scene in of "Sweeney Todd" ... the pipe organ is bloody amazing on a good sound system.

Sound more important than video? I dunno about that. But I have just realized that I have got to get a surround system to go with my 6020. end of story.
maybe I will get my 6020 tomorrow. crossing my fingers. I can't wait to throw the transformers HD-DVD in there. I will be going to work right after the 6020 is supposed to be delivered. So I will be popping in the break-in DVD and heading to work for 12 hours.. When I get home I plan on watching Transformers on HDDVD then pop the break-in DVD back in. and go to bed. I am not going to let the break-in dvd run constantly for 150-200 hrs. I don't think I could make it thru that Torture. I am going to run the break-in disk for the 1st 12 hours and then watch the TV as normal (without blackbars/static images) and run the break-in disk when I am not watching it (which is about 3/4th of the time.).
I think Everything will break-in just fine like that. Thats the way I did my 5080 and I never saw I.R.
I haven't set my mind on a surround system yet but I will probably get one this weekend.
Maybe I should wait until i get the surround sound system before I watch transformers?
I bet it would be aheck of an experience if I did.
That would make it the first time I have ever experienced Surround sound, the first time I have ever watched Transformers in HD, and the first time I have ever watched my 6020 all at the same time.
I bet that would flat out rock!
I will have to try to watch that Sweeny todd movie in surround sound. But to be honest, I tried watching it when it first hit DVD. I thought it would be awesome. But after watching it for about 10 minutes I was horrified as they busted into song and started singing:eek:.
I remember them singing about some pies in london and then I ran to the PS3 to get i out of there.lol. wasn't for me.lol. but maybe different with surround sound.lol

........
That would make it the first time I have ever experienced Surround sound, the first time ....

OMG :eek:

You can ask yourself the same question while going to a movie theater. Do I want to see this movie at a movie theater, or the same movie at an IMAX. Even if not for the extra size however, as you know your going to see a better looking picture at the IMAX.

I can easily get into the story of the movie or the music in the audio, but it's more involving when video and audio are as good as I can get.

And that's my point, ultimately. If I'm watching or listening to something, and I don't have a sense of involvement, then maybe the equipment isn't providing the experience I need. Nor does the equipment have to be cheap to fail in that regard. I wouldn't want to fuss so over the equipment that the purpose for it becomes obscured. Seeing the Pioneers, it was obvious to me I was drawn in to the program material to a greater extent than with the other sets I saw. I expect the same would be true for the 9G Kuros.

The biggest thing I cannot get passed is the motion lag and color lag. True, the 120Hz sets do a better job with this, but it is still not on par with plasmas and not even close to CRT sets. Black level of LCD TVs became an issue. As dark as I could make my XBR5, it came with sacrifices. I have my XBR5 set to Power Savings @ Low and Back Lighting @ Minimum. With these settings I get a good black level, but I fear I am crushing black levels a bit too much and the image of the set is relatively dark, even by plasma standards; and what’s more, the ANSI contrast of the plasmas is still ahead of the best LCDs, especially now the 9G Pioneers. The contrast issue and black level has and will continue to improve for LCDs, but my dilemma was this: “Why wait for something that will happen for LCDs that already is happening for plasmas?” Colors on the plasmas still look more natural also; plasmas handle fast motion better still; ANSI and on/off contrast is generally still better.

Plasma actually has something akin to the motion blur on the LCD's some call it fringing or green/purple/whatever trails. It is due to the difference in the decay time of different red, green and blue phosphors on a Plasma. This creates colour trails but also introduces a kind of blur in fast moving images. It can most easily be seen in games where you can rotate the camera.

Two years ago when I got my Plasma I though the problem would be solved by now but no progress has been made at all in this area as far as I can tell. IR is the other of two issues Plasma's have but that is not such a big deal, although it would be nice to be rid of it. My Plasma also has purple snakes, which does bother me, but I believe that problem has long been fixed since I bought my unit.

Reproduction of darks is only a issue if I turn off the lights, and until Pioneer or some other manufacturer finally makes a panel that can show blacks so dark that they blend in with the bezel (10G?) I am not going to worry about it, because anything else is a compromise and until it no longer is I can just keep the lights on.

One thing LCD's have over Plasmas which is something that bothers me a lot is reflections. I hate how Plasma glass reflects everything in the room rendering things like colour reproduction and black levels moot during sunny days or during daylight in general. Would be nice to have matte LCD to be able to watch and play games without squinting before dusk.

And then there is still the seemingly indescribable sharpness and vibrancy of LCD's, it really floors me every time and works great for games. But then LCD's have horrible issues with SD materiel and previous generation games. They really look very bad on every LCD I have seen so far, and I play plenty of older games.

It is a hard choice, but I am leaning towards LCD this time, if the problems are too big I can always sell it off and get the 5020 which would prolly cost a little less by then. Or maybe just wait a year until 10G Pioneer's comes around or even longer to when SONY comes out with a affordable 40-46" OLED unit, decisions, decisions.

OMG :eek:

Alabama;)


Just Kidding, Chad :D



bob

Sound more important than video? I dunno about that. But I have just realized that I have got to get a surround system to go with my 6020. end of story.

It's hard to form an opinion about something you haven't experienced, but once you experience surround (especially in lossless quality), you'll realize why it's so important. But just like the display the sound system has to be very good quality (not necessarily expensive) and calibrated/set up properly.

Yes if everything goes well....T-minus 7 days till a full review.

I will give my initial take tomorrow evening...including some pre-calibration numbers.

Sorry to be a pain, but do you have the Panny 800U yet to do the shoot-out with the 6020? If not, when do you expect to get the 800U?

Thanks!
Bobby

Kamikaze, the plasma's have fringing, but that's not what I was talking about with LCDs. LCDs have a response time which ranges from 2ms to 12ms, most higher end LCDs are closer to 6ms to 8ms, but still this is still unacceptable to me. On top of that lag time, there's color delay as well, which I can notice, but isn't as big a deal to me as the normal lag time. Plasma green/purple fringing is manageable.

As for sharpness of LCDs, most of the time, once calibrated you tone down that sharpness enough that this subject becomes a non-issue.

I agree with the Matte vs. Glossy screen, although for current Pioneer PDPs it's not even remotely close to being as bad as some of the other brands of Plasma's reflectiveness.

I agree that LCDs have some benefits over plasmas and originally when I got my XBR5, those benefits were a necessity (ie Brighter, Non-issue with burn-in), but now it's more the opposite; the benefits of plasma are more of a necessity for my needs.

So, since you've weighed what's important to you and LCD is coming out the winner, more power to ya!

What else should I consider if I like Klipsch? (For those that are keeping track of my financial/living situation, don't worry, me and my small penis can't afford anything else right now.)

How about some bombastic Bose bass to temper those thrilling highs?

Heh, just kidding!

D-Nice, When are you going to be getting the display... No broken pictures Optivity. That was not building a better box, it was breaking a hole in the old on :D

For those looking for an inexpensive but decent surround sound experience to go with your new Kuro, costco sells a Denon Reciever + Boston Acoustics speaker combination that is pretty good for the money (~600)

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OMG :eek:

It's hard to form an opinion about something you haven't experienced, but once you experience surround (especially in lossless quality), you'll realize why it's so important. But just like the display the sound system has to be very good quality (not necessarily expensive) and calibrated/set up properly.

Well,
I have heard the surround sound in a movie theater. But I don't really consider that the same as Home theater since I could not play with the controls at all.lol.
The bad thing for me is the layout of my living room. I don't know how I am going to do it.


Also,Kamakazee,
Matte screens are great at reducing glare but they have thier problems also.
A matte screen acts like a sponge to light. So instead of seeing a reflection in one spot like you would on a totally glossy screen, The light is "absorbed" into the panel and this hurts black levels and color. Also, it gives the screen a 2-D paper look instead of the 3-D feel you get with a quality plasma.
This is one of the main reasons that Samsung has decided to go with glossy screens (which is why samsung Blacks are deeper than most every other LCD).
Sony has started going with semi-gloss. Trying to get the best of both worlds but IMO the worse of both worlds.

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The dvd is fine and displays graduated color (white,red,green,blue) levels. The dvd may have a running time of approx. 24hrs.


Where does one get this DVD :confused:

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I have a stack of Blu-Ray discs that I'm putting off watching until my 151 arrives, whenever that might be. I'm a pessimist so I figure it'll be early July before I get mine, and then I'll be lucky if it hasn't been damaged during shipping. I'm DYING to watch There Will Be Blood too. I missed it during the theatrical run because I was in the hospital.
D'oh!

Intersting. I'm kind of in the same boat. I too have a stack of Blu-rays I've been collecting since last Oct. I don't even have a Blu-ray player yet!! I'm thinking of getting the one of the new Pioneer Blu-ray players that come out a little bit later this year like the 51FD.

Funny, looks like I'll be getting my 151 before my 51!

Well, my 6020 came in today... but I decided to upgrade to a PRO-151FD, which will be here (Colorado) on Friday. :)



This must be a world record for buyer's remorse and resolution.

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Originally Posted by hamsamish09
The dvd is fine and displays graduated color (white,red,green,blue) levels. The dvd may have a running time of approx. 24hrs.




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It was listed a few pages back. You might find it by doing a search in this thread.

Yeah, no kidding. I took my 5010 back and ordered the 5020. Although, with the preset settings, I wonder if I should go back to the 5010. If I keep spending all my time on AVS there will be a 111 in my family room when it's all said and done. :)