So I stopped into my local Tweeter on the way home. I've been so happy with my new 1150HD that I thought I'd see if they had any deals on a smaller LCD for my in-laws. Was hoping to get a look at one of those new Sammies. Turned out they had in one column the 46A550 followed by the Pio 110FD followed by my 1150HD. Perfect.

They salesman had them restart that HD loop that they run. Those of you who are familiar with it may recall that within the first minute or so there is a segment that shows two or three large birds flying from right to left against an expanse of open sky. When that segment went by I noted to my shock that the Sammie showed absolutely no stuttering while both of the Elites exhibited noticeable stutter - with the 110FD being visibly worse than the 1150HD (maybe because of the 1080p?). I was trying to figure out if this was an artifact of how they had the Pios set up, or if was inherent to the 8G Elites. Everything I had read to this point suggests that plasmas in general have smoother motion handling than LCDs, and that even the 120Hz LCDs have other motion related artifacts that make plasmas still superior in this area. I guess I'm not sure what I saw.

Having said that I wouldn't bring my 1150HD back for anything... unless I could get a 111FD for the same money! ;) The Sammie was a pretty great picture on its own, however. Damned decent blacks for an LCD and nice color, even in torch mode. The way it handled that particular motion scene really surprised me. Not sure how to evaluate what I saw.

120hz will make things "smoother," no question. It just doesn't look anything like a movie/show is intended to look.

Understood. I guess what surprised me was the the Elites did not exhibit anything in the way of smooth motion for that particular scene (although it did fine with later motion scenes). I don't recall in LCD vs. plasma motion discussions reading about something like this. Again, just wondering about the particulars of this with these Elites.

120hz will make things "smoother," no question. It just doesn't look anything like a movie/show is intended to look.


I may be mistaken but I believe the 5 series (http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/12/ln46a550p3fxza/ln46a550_spec.pdf)is 60hz.The 6 series (http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/11/ln46a650a1fxza/ln46a650_spec.pdf)is 120hz.

Quite impressed by the new LCD panels.Picked up a LN37A450 for a bedroom TV myself.

the Sammie showed absolutely no stuttering while both of the Elites exhibited noticeable stutter

Kuro swat team will be here to quell the blasphemy in 5...4...3...2...1..........

Could also be due to the way they have them hooked up to the source. Sometimes with multiple hook ups from one source you don't necessarly get the best siganl to the plasma. Thus the Pioneer may not be correctly reading and thus processing the signal. Don't know, its a possibility. Could be that the LCD processes that scene better but 120 hz and stutter and motion artifacts are in my opinion different. Stutter is the whole frame stuttering where motion artifiacts are trailings and pixelation behind moving object within a scene.

Kuro swat team will be here to quell the blasphemy in 5...4...3...2...1..........

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Kuro swat team will be here to quell the blasphemy in 5...4...3...2...1..........

I have a bullet-proof shield. It's called an 1150HD. ;)

... Could be that the LCD processes that scene better but 120 hz and stutter and motion artifacts are in my opinion different. Stutter is the whole frame stuttering where motion artifiacts are trailings and pixelation behind moving object within a scene.

This was definite stutter.

I have a bullet-proof shield. It's called an 1150HD. ;)

Fine choice of defensive armament my friend.

Fine choice of defensive armament my friend.

We'll need some heave artillery in the form of a PRO-150FD.

We'll need some heave artillery in the form of a PRO-150FD.

Now that's just fighting dirty! :eek:

All kidding aside, though, did I just miss any discussions about instances of stuttering on plasma panels?

I may be mistaken but I believe the 5 series (http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/12/ln46a550p3fxza/ln46a550_spec.pdf)is 60hz.The 6 series (http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/11/ln46a650a1fxza/ln46a650_spec.pdf)is 120hz.

Quite impressed by the new LCD panels.Picked up a LN37A450 for a bedroom TV myself.

You are correct. The 550 doesn't have 120Hz so we can't blame it on that.

I can attest that I notice stutter on my 6010 on blu-ray movies and I'm hoping there are some improvements on motion handling on the 9Gs.

xb1032, I've done a bit more research and see that this does seem to happen. Would be interested to know if you tried all of the options which seem to have been mentioned for this problem (Standard, Advanced, trying the various output options on your player), and if so what were your observations.

xb1032, I've done a bit more research and see that this does seem to happen. Would be interested to know if you tried all of the options which seem to have been mentioned for this problem (Standard, Advanced, trying the various output options on your player), and if so what were your observations.

The smooth mode gives you more of a 3D look to the image but is likely the worst with stutter. I've tried every mode and there is still stutter to some degree. I haven't toyed with my settings on my PS3 yet or haven't set it to 720p to see if there's a noticable difference between 720p/1080p. I'll have to give that a try.