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Does anyone have any new news on the interference bars that alot of people have been seeing when using component inputs? This is my last opportunity to return this TV as I'm about to hit my 3 months. The bars have always been there for me, but usually they aren't very noticable. So has there been any word from Vizio on the problem, or does anyone have a newer set that does not experience the issue at all?
I've read that the latest batch does not have that problem somewhere before?
noj11jon 08-20-08, 03:22 PM Oh really? Can anyone confirm that?
aerodynamics 08-20-08, 05:23 PM I've read that the latest batch does not have that problem somewhere before?
Oh really? Can anyone confirm that?
IIRC, that person bought it from Costco and said it didn't have the lines. It wasn't really a confirmation but just a theory that Costco is getting the latest builds of these TVs.
louie826 08-20-08, 11:33 PM At my local Costco, they used the component connection for their demo videos and I saw no lines of any kind nor image retention while looking at it up close. I think the demo TV has been up there for 3 weeks now. One thing I didn't like about it was the amount of heat that it gave off from the top. :eek: I guess that's common with most plasmas.
stratusfactionrt 08-21-08, 01:06 AM Does anyone have any new news on the interference bars that alot of people have been seeing when using component inputs? This is my last opportunity to return this TV as I'm about to hit my 3 months. The bars have always been there for me, but usually they aren't very noticable. So has there been any word from Vizio on the problem, or does anyone have a newer set that does not experience the issue at all?
IIRC, that person bought it from Costco and said it didn't have the lines. It wasn't really a confirmation but just a theory that Costco is getting the latest builds of these TVs.
I have had a DVD player and a PS2 hooked up via component w/o issues. I purchased my TV from Costco a few days ago.
As for IR, I still cannot notice it AT ALL when watching TV normally. I can faintly see it after playing Rock Band. However, if I get within a few inches of the TV and the screen is black, I see the wonderful NBC symbol in the upper right corner from all the Olympics watching I've been doing. Even though it's not noticeable unless you really look for it, I think it's ridiculous that a TV would have this "image retention". I don't want a TV that I have to worry about this or worry about burning it in with a special DVD or have to run the stupid image cleaner. The IR problems really make me question the overall quality of this TV (and plasmas in general)... I have a couple more months to evaluate whether to keep it or not.
spincut 08-21-08, 01:23 AM The IR problems really make me question the overall quality of this TV (and plasmas in general)... I have a couple more months to evaluate whether to keep it or not.
Plasmas in general? how many people in this thread really need to be reminded that this tv is not considered high end, i would figure the price would clue you in as much.
should this come as a surprise to you then?
It's bad enough that you seem to be questioning the quality level of this tv but using a Vizio to gauge the quality of plasmas in general.
something tells me that if you bought a Vizio LCD you'd be making a similar kind of statement, ala "this really makes me question the overall quality of this TV (and LCD's in general).
aerodynamics 08-21-08, 07:39 AM Ok...if it's true Costco is getting the latest builds of these, free of the component and IR issue (as a few of you have noted) then I have renewed interest in this model and the decision of going w/ the Insignia is not so easy anymore. So let's revisit the pros and cons of this set:
Pros:
- independent picture adjustment per input
- RGB can be individually adjusted for more accurate grayscale
- 3 HDMI inputs
Cons:
- aspect modes cannot be changed from remote + some modes not even accessible thru the menu (correct?)
Compared to the Insignia:
Pros:
- 3 HDMI inputs
- 2 component, 2 S-Video, 2 composite (vs. 1 each on the Vizio)
- independent picture adjustment per input
- aspect ratio can be changed from remote
Cons:
- no RGB adjustment
Am I missing anything? If all things were equal as far as IR and the component issue, which one would you buy? I have a Spyder 2 colorimeter so the ability to really fine tune the picture on the Vizio is enticing to me. But I have a feeling the lack of aspect mode options will bother me.
I think it would boil down to 1. price and 2. how your setup is. If you are using this with over the air or not with a cable box then the edge goes with the Insignia, since the remote has the direct access to the aspect ratio. If you are using a cable box then the remote of the vizio becomes a non issue. So i think having the image cleaner would be the deciding factor. gimmick or not it's a nice security blanket.
Plasmas in general? how many people in this thread really need to be reminded that this tv is not considered high end, i would figure the price would clue you in as much.
should this come as a surprise to you then?
It's bad enough that you seem to be questioning the quality level of this tv but using a Vizio to gauge the quality of plasmas in general.
something tells me that if you bought a Vizio LCD you'd be making a similar kind of statement, ala "this really makes me question the overall quality of this TV (and LCD's in general).
Have there not been multiple threads on IR on Samsungs and even Panasonics:eek:
I think it would boil down to 1. price and 2. how your setup is. If you are using this with over the air or not with a cable box then the edge goes with the Insignia, since the remote has the direct access to the aspect ratio. If you are using a cable box then the remote of the vizio becomes a non issue. So i think having the image cleaner would be the deciding factor. gimmick or not it's a nice security blanket.
Vizio is also cheaper by $30. Who has the better warranty though?
One question, I don't understand why you need aspect control for OTA? Doesn't it come in as 16:9 format?
Splicer010 08-21-08, 02:36 PM OTA comes in the programs native format...Generally speaking 4:3 and primetime programs 16:9...in general...There was a time when 4:3 was the vast majority of programming...However today...16:9 is becoming more and more prevelant...
Vizio is also cheaper by $30. Who has the better warranty though?
One question, I don't understand why you need aspect control for OTA? Doesn't it come in as 16:9 format?
I think the warranty is a wash, I know vizio's is pretty solid now, in home repair service and will replace and if can't be fixed, no bright pixels guarantee.
I do believe Insignia/Best Buy has improved as well, not positive, but I do believe that Insingia provides in home repair during warranty through Best Buy. Not 100% sure.
Aspect for over the air because if you are breaking in your plasma it's strongly recommended to stretch your Standard Definition to fill out the screen during the first couple hundred hours. The Insigina has a direct aspect ratio button, vizio you have to go into the user menue. Not a huge deal but it's nice to have.
Cable or Stat. boxes, most of the newer HD boxes come with aspect ratio options and can be had by the remote provided. For example I have the Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD DVR and the aspect ratio button on my remote is the pound symbol and it gives four choices, so that renders both remotes moot.
I think the warranty is a wash, I know vizio's is pretty solid now, in home repair service and will replace and if can't be fixed, no bright pixels guarantee.
I do believe Insignia/Best Buy has improved as well, not positive, but I do believe that Insingia provides in home repair during warranty through Best Buy. Not 100% sure.
Aspect for over the air because if you are breaking in your plasma it's strongly recommended to stretch your Standard Definition to fill out the screen during the first couple hundred hours. The Insigina has a direct aspect ratio button, vizio you have to go into the user menue. Not a huge deal but it's nice to have.
Cable or Stat. boxes, most of the newer HD boxes come with aspect ratio options and can be had by the remote provided. For example I have the Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD DVR and the aspect ratio button on my remote is the pound symbol and it gives four choices, so that renders both remotes moot.
Cool so what the big deal then, do people change their aspect everyday? The vizio does remember the aspect ratio for the input right?
Splicer010 08-21-08, 03:20 PM But the programming is different...Won't make a difference as long as NTSC is being utilized...but when utilizing ATSC then you will be switching between stretch and native...
SGT.Baker 08-21-08, 04:05 PM Does anyone have any new news on the interference bars that alot of people have been seeing when using component inputs? This is my last opportunity to return this TV as I'm about to hit my 3 months. The bars have always been there for me, but usually they aren't very noticable. So has there been any word from Vizio on the problem, or does anyone have a newer set that does not experience the issue at all?
Mine Is a newer one but mine still has the bars.
What do you guys think of the black levels on this t.v. compared to other t.v.s?
mr_america_117 08-21-08, 08:59 PM Mine Is a newer one but mine still has the bars.
Ya, I'm on my second set and they still have the set. Vizio hasn't sent me a email back still, and fellow posters called in Vizio customer service and they denied that there's a problem. I'm taking my second set back for a refund.
Sorry Vizio, I'm probably going to Best Buy to get a reliable brand, I'm not going to chance it if I'm going to be spending around 500 bucks, I'd pay extra to get a reliable set..
spincut 08-21-08, 09:24 PM Have there not been multiple threads on IR on Samsungs and even Panasonics:eek:
this is a plasma forum, there will always be "discussions" about IR, but most of it is hand wringing, and there certaintly isn't hardly any such discussion in the actual owner threads in regards to the level of "issues' people are having here with IR.
so, as i said before, you are generally getting what you paid for.
with that being said, the only instance of what you're saying really being noticeable that i do recall, is there being talk of last years samsungs (the 5084's) having noticeable IR issues, but thats about it, otherwise, no, there really isnt a signifigant amount of IR related issues on this years Samsung or Panasonic sets.....because.....you-get-what-you-pay-for.
C E Jones 08-22-08, 12:00 AM Ya, I'm on my second set and they still have the set. Vizio hasn't sent me a email back still, and fellow posters called in Vizio customer service and they denied that there's a problem. I'm taking my second set back for a refund.
Sorry Vizio, I'm probably going to Best Buy to get a reliable brand, I'm not going to chance it if I'm going to be spending around 500 bucks, I'd pay extra to get a reliable set..
You might want to try asking BB to match the price of the Vizio for the Insignia. A few owners in the Insignia thread have reported getting them to price-match, it could save you $30 or so.
RedLT4Mike 08-22-08, 03:28 AM I bought one from costo @ $499
Mine has no issues, looks amazing and was priced right.
I've eyeballed settings to my liking and room and they are as follows:
Bright - 53
Cont. - 35
Color - 38
Tint - 0
Sharp - 4
feisty1 08-22-08, 10:11 AM Be careful. Even if you have a remote with an aspect button, that does not mean it will function, if the box does not support it. I have a remote for a Motorola STB and a remote with an aspect button. Tried to change the aspect ratio and nothing happened. Called the cable company-They indicated the box is not capable of aspect control.
Call your cable company first to see if indeed you can control the aspect ratio. Cable company in question is Mediacom.
Be careful. Even if you have a remote with an aspect button, that does not mean it will function, if the box does not support it. I have a remote for a Motorola STB and a remote with an aspect button. Tried to change the aspect ratio and nothing happened. Called the cable company-They indicated the box is not capable of aspect control.
Call your cable company first to see if indeed you can control the aspect ratio. Cable company in question is Mediacom.
I would call them and swap it out for the latest motorola STB, I'm not sure about Mediacom but Comcast has no problems swaping out for the latest Set Top Box with the newer firmware.
Recently purchased this set and have been 360ing quite a bit on the thing. No more than 12 hours of use yet but it looks awesome especially considering the price and that I paid nearly twice as much for a POS Slimfit a few years ago. I guess after Slimfit anything will look amazing though.
Tried playing 360 via component @ 720p & 1080i, noticed IQ wasn't what I expected... also noticed the banding issue a lot of people mention.
Switched video input to the 360's VGA adapter and set resolution to 1360x768 since that's what the TV's manual recommended when hooking up your computer via VGA. No banding issues, overall IQ is awesome. I would like to see what HDMI looks like (supposedly better color) but my 360 doesn't have it so for now I'm stuck with VGA, but it's the best solution I have.
I also noticed that when gaming with 360 on VGA vs Component that gameplay is overall more responsive when NOT using component for some reason. This was just with Call of Duty 4- camera movement just seemed more smooth overall.
As for the burn-in phase I've just been gaming on it and letting videos stored on my 360's HDD play through, Step Into Liquid for example. Haven't messed with the display settings too much as I don't know if I should for the burn-in phase, but they are:
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 50
Color Temp: Custom (R128, G128, B128)
Fine Tune: 22
For what I paid I couldn't be happier. Is running a calibration/burn-in DVD really necessary? Should I finish burning it in before changing display settings?
SGT.Baker 08-22-08, 06:35 PM Nice to hear nublet. Glad you are enjoying it. Can anyone give a black level review as compared to similar size(or greater) lcd's?
Grateful11 08-22-08, 09:05 PM I just picked up two of these today to surprise my sons off at college. I've unboxed both of them to check them out. So far so good. I'm running straight cable with a digital package to them and I must say the PQ on the HD channels is awesome! One thing I need to know is why can't I widen an HD channel that broadcasting a 4:3 picture? When I go to the menu the wide option is grayed out, it's not grayed out any of the other channel just the HD one's like NBC, CBS, WB, PBS and ABC. I've read the entire thread and it's a lot to take in but I didn't see this mentioned, may have missed it, only that there's no aspect ratio button directly on the remote, no biggy for me as it's menu accessible. I didn't go for the extended warranty as they wanted $120 for it, bummer. It's only $59 in the store for a 32" LCD. I'll deliver them the first part of the week, can't wait to see their faces, no has no TV and the other a small CRT. :)
Splicer010 08-22-08, 09:34 PM Because that is the native format...You are not supposed to be able to manipulate HD broadcasted programming...
mr_america_117 08-22-08, 09:37 PM You might want to try asking BB to match the price of the Vizio for the Insignia. A few owners in the Insignia thread have reported getting them to price-match, it could save you $30 or so.
Ya, I was one of them. I'm just going to take it back tomorrow before I leave for school and get a Samsung from Best Buy.
And I noticed a new problem. Via HDMI, there seems to be green moving static when playing PS3. It's not there all the time, but it's pretty annoying when you see it.
Anyways, I'm done with the set. Come labor day, I'll be a owner of a Samsung.
Grateful11 08-22-08, 09:53 PM Because that is the native format...You are not supposed to be able to manipulate HD broadcasted programming...
I can do it with both my Sony LCD projections, I know some people don't like the slightly distorted picture but Sony's do an excellent job of it, it's nearly seamless in my eyes. The only time I really notice the slight edge stretch effect is when something is scrolling across the bottom of the screen.
aerodynamics 08-22-08, 10:04 PM Ya, I was one of them. I'm just going to take it back tomorrow before I leave for school and get a Samsung from Best Buy.
And I noticed a new problem. Via HDMI, there seems to be green moving static when playing PS3. It's not there all the time, but it's pretty annoying when you see it.
Anyways, I'm done with the set. Come labor day, I'll be a owner of a Samsung.
How did you get them to PM a TV from a completely different manufacturer?
Ya, I was one of them. I'm just going to take it back tomorrow before I leave for school and get a Samsung from Best Buy.
And I noticed a new problem. Via HDMI, there seems to be green moving static when playing PS3. It's not there all the time, but it's pretty annoying when you see it.
Anyways, I'm done with the set. Come labor day, I'll be a owner of a Samsung.
If it's only doing it over your PS3, you actually might want to get that checked out. If it was the set it would be doing it on all inputs.
I would test your PS3 on another tv just to be sure, that would stink having to buy another one of those as well.
Grateful11 08-23-08, 12:09 AM I was just looking over the downloaded manual and I don't see a headphone jack. The manual says "ANALOG AUDIO OUT – Connect the audio from the Plasma HDTV to an external device, such as a home theatre system, external amplifier or stereo. Speakers cannot be connected directly to here. The white color band on the side of the TV indicates this connection." Where can a simple set of amplified PC speakers be connected?
RCA ( Red white audio out puts) will do this.
Grateful11 08-23-08, 08:57 AM RCA ( Red white audio out puts) will do this.
Thanks!
RedLT4Mike 08-23-08, 09:19 AM I was just looking over the downloaded manual and I don't see a headphone jack. The manual says "ANALOG AUDIO OUT – Connect the audio from the Plasma HDTV to an external device, such as a home theatre system, external amplifier or stereo. Speakers cannot be connected directly to here. The white color band on the side of the TV indicates this connection." Where can a simple set of amplified PC speakers be connected?
I have my cable box connected to my TV via HDMI, and a set of powered JBL speakers connected to the RCA audio outs on the TV. The remote DOES control the output volume of that set of RCA audio out's. There is also a Digital out, but I haven't used it.
The Vizio's speakers are turned off needless to say(they ARE that crappy, but I knew that going into it).
Uhh I thought plasmas didn't have the dead pixel issue? I notice a little spec on my panel that's dead. Kind of noticeable when running the burn-in DVD. This can't be the only set with that problem...
edit- Walmart was out when I tried to return it... if the next one sucks I'll probably go with the Insignia. What is the main difference between the two? Kind of seems like the Vizio is the better one but with dead pixels I dunno
Do any of you have settings for what I should use during Break-in and for normal use?
mr_america_117 08-23-08, 11:26 PM How did you get them to PM a TV from a completely different manufacturer?
I'm sorry, I don't understand.
If it's only doing it over your PS3, you actually might want to get that checked out. If it was the set it would be doing it on all inputs.
I would test your PS3 on another tv just to be sure, that would stink having to buy another one of those as well.
I did, my LG LCD worked fine with my PS3 via HDMI. And I already took the TV (Vizio) back today, no more crappy TV for me..
Do any of you have settings for what I should use during Break-in and for normal use?
Brightness 43
Contrast 50
Color 34
Tint -1
Sharpness 0
Color Temperature Warm
Advanced Video
DNR off
Black Level Extender off
CTI off
Fleshtone on
Adaptive Luma off
I've been lurking around this thread for awhile now and I decided to contribute a little bit by telling you about my experience with the VP322.:p
I purchased this TV from Wal-Mart in July and had actually considered returning it for an LCD due to me worrying (overworrying) about IR and burn-in but realized i had thrown my box away making a return of the TV to Wal-Mart improbable:o. After having the set for a month now and racking up about 200+ hours on it burn in is not a worry for me and shouldn't be for anyone considering this TV provided they use a little common sense. IR is present after any static image is displayed on this set but in my case has never lasted more than a minute or two. My worst case of IR was after a Call of Duty and Rock Band Marathon and the IR only lasted for about 15 minutes. The image cleaner function gimmick or not is a nice little utility to use when you don't want to hassle with having to pop the break in DVD in or finding logo free full screen content without interruption.
The picture for HD content IMHO is awesome for a budget set while the SD content can be a bit distorted and grainy but still very watchable and nothing to lose hair over. Although i do wish there was someway to stretch 4:3 content on this TV there is no Zoom function and my wide and panoramic modes seem to be locked and are pretty much useless. (fixed by firmware upgrade?)
The bars that people have been seeing over component are there but I cannot see them unless I am sitting 1ft away from my screen but at any normal viewing distance I can't even notice them. One thing i have noticed and have not heard it mentioned in this thread is that if my PS3 (HDMI) is on while I am watching TV (COMPONENT) there is a ton of "wave" like interference on the screen, resulting in me having to turn off my PS3. So if possible try connecting all your devices via HDMI on this set to avoid this or just don't leave any other devices on.
This TV runs hot!!!!!!I repeat! HOT!!
If i walk past it i can feel the heat coming off the top of the set and the top is to hot to place my hand on top of for too long.
So overall i think this is a great set for an apartment or for a bedroom. Those losing hair over the possibility of Burn-in and IR just use some common sense and don't let it deter you from buying this set. At $500 it's a steal!
Well i think that is about it! :)
Ill taking pictures of it in action and posting them in the days to come!
aerodynamics 08-24-08, 04:07 AM I'm sorry, I don't understand.
Sorry, I confused you as one of those who got BB to price match the Insignia to the Vizio.
Brightness 43
Contrast 50
Color 34
Tint -1
Sharpness 0
Color Temperature Warm
Advanced Video
DNR off
Black Level Extender off
CTI off
Fleshtone on
Adaptive Luma off
Wow, thanks a bunch, is that for after your break-in or before?
Also, did you say you cant stretch 4:3 content such as normal analog cable or what?
Wow, thanks a bunch, is that for after your break-in or before?
Also, did you say you cant stretch 4:3 content such as normal analog cable or what?
No problem! Those settings were during my break in and are still being used after it. I was able to stretch 4:3 non HD by setting the 4:3 override to stretch on my cable box (Motorola DCH3200) but was unable to do so through the tv as there is no zoom available and my wide/panoramic being pretty much useless. So stretching it through your cable box is your best bet.
Grateful11 08-24-08, 09:48 PM Well both 32" have been delivered to the college and set-up. I read earlier where they were called junky so we'll just see if they're junky or not. Believe me they will get a workout by the two recipients. They were able to find 78 analog and 40 digital channel and the PQ of the HD Olympics were to die for. The beads of sweat on some of the Olympiads made me want to wipe the screen off.
No problem! Those settings were during my break in and are still being used after it. I was able to stretch 4:3 non HD by setting the 4:3 override to stretch on my cable box (Motorola DCH3200) but was unable to do so through the tv as there is no zoom available and my wide/panoramic being pretty much useless. So stretching it through your cable box is your best bet.
So If I am using Clear QAM I will NOT be able to stretch normal 4:3 content to fill the screen therefore giving me black bars on each side?
Can I get more than one confirmation on this because I heard I could stretch 4:3 content before but I cant change 16:9 content?
Splicer010 08-24-08, 10:18 PM So If I am using Clear QAM I will NOT be able to stretch normal 4:3 content to fill the screen therefore giving me black bars on each side?
This is correct...
mr_america_117 08-24-08, 11:37 PM Sorry, I confused you as one of those who got BB to price match the Insignia to the Vizio.
Ya, I was planning on it.
Currently I'm breaking in my set using 360 as a DVD player with the Breakin DVD. Trying to ignore the one tiny tiny dead pixel since it will end up turning into a $1000 set if I have to drive to Walmart again. Doing it thru VGA since I get those annoying lines on component. Should I worry at all, or is using VGA fine for this?
This is correct...
What the f....... So cable is unwatchable without a cable box?
I got one of these last month. It's my 3rd plasma and I'm very happy with it. The PQ compares well with my 8G Kuro and is superior in every way to my HP plasma. The main difference vs. the Pio (other than slightly inferior black levels, which are still awesome) is motion video. I see more graininess and pixelation on the Visio vs. the Pio.
It does run very hot compared to my other two plasmas.
OK, lets talk a little more about aspect control-and whether a a second party remote (such as a HARMONY) with aspect control-will work with the VIZIO plasma.
An earlier posting referred to a review of the plasma set that was quite good. This review, as well as other postings on this thread, notes "On high definition channels ----- the aspect ratio option in the menu was grayed out, so if your source device does not allow aspect ratio control, then you're stuck with whatever is being TRANSMITTED to the set." Under these circumstances I do not believe ANY remote is going to control the aspect ratio of the set. If a cable or set top box (and its remote) is part of the circuit, AND is capable of aspect control, then this becomes a mute point. The box adjusts the picture size sent to the TV.
I have Verizon Fios service and have a lot of 4:3 pictures sent over the many HD channels which I adjust with the ZOOM function on the set top box remote. I will be using the Vizio set at a different location where I would love not to have to rent a set top box. Have noticed 4:3 pictures also transmitted on the HD channels in this other location.
For those channels received via the ATSC tuner where the Plasma TV is capable of adjusting picture size via the remote's menu, I am sure a second party remote will work fine. But apparently "Zoom" (no stretch) will not be an option. Just not programmed into the TV.
Would love someone to correct me on the observations stated above. Like the set-just have a problem with aspect control. If I buy it, it seems I will have to rent a set top box and I am so cheap!!!!! :D
I'm a FIOS user too. If you've got the Motorola 6412 HD STB or 6416 HD DVR, you should set the output to be 16:9/480I over HDMI. With that, you get full screen on the Visio regardless of the source. Note, these are not the default settings for the STB.
drum714 08-25-08, 03:59 PM you can strech all content on this tv set with the exception of a digital source. It doesn't matter what kind of tuner or box you are using, this set can only strech non-digital sources.
This being said I still dont think you could get a better set for less than $800. At $500 this thing is a steal.
Splicer010 08-25-08, 04:29 PM What the f....... So cable is unwatchable without a cable box?
You are not understanding...Your question asked for "CLEAR QAM"...Not encrypted QAM...Clear QAM is a term generally used when using a QAM tuner...either after market STB or built-in to the display...A display...using CLEAR QAM will NOT allow you to 'stretch' 4:3 material as clear QAM is in its NATIVE format...whether it be 4:3 material or 16:9...If a display is worth anything at all...it will not allow the picture to be manipulated in that circumstance...
Now...if you are using a cable box...and in order for that box...including the 6412...and you use the 16:9/480I(p) feature...you are DOWN CONVERTING the signal to 480i(p) and will NOT be watching 'HD'...
As an example...and yes I realize this is NOT using QAM but is the exact same principle...Star Trek Season 1 on HD DVD is unquestionably HD...shown in its native format of 4:3...and while utilizing 720p or 1080i(p)...the picture cannot be stretched unless it is down converted...Now the SD DVD side of the disc is NOT HD...therefore te picture can be stretched...at least when not using an upconverting player...
Did I confuse you even more now???;)
Splicer010 08-25-08, 04:32 PM I'm a FIOS user too. If you've got the Motorola 6412 HD STB or 6416 HD DVR, you should set the output to be 16:9/480I over HDMI. With that, you get full screen on the Visio regardless of the source. Note, these are not the default settings for the STB.
But you will be DOWN converting any true 1080i source material to 480i and are not seeing 'HD'...;)
You are not understanding...Your question asked for "CLEAR QAM"...Not encrypted QAM...Clear QAM is a term generally used when using a QAM tuner...either after market STB or built-in to the display...A display...using CLEAR QAM will NOT allow you to 'stretch' 4:3 material as clear QAM is in its NATIVE format...whether it be 4:3 material or 16:9...If a display is worth anything at all...it will not allow the picture to be manipulated in that circumstance...
Now...if you are using a cable box...and in order for that box...including the 6412...and you use the 16:9/480I(p) feature...you are DOWN CONVERTING the signal to 480i(p) and will NOT be watching 'HD'...
As an example...and yes I realize this is NOT using QAM but is the exact same principle...Star Trek Season 1 on HD DVD is unquestionably HD...shown in its native format of 4:3...and while utilizing 720p or 1080i(p)...the picture cannot be stretched unless it is down converted...Now the SD DVD side of the disc is NOT HD...therefore te picture can be stretched...at least when not using an upconverting player...
Did I confuse you even more now???;)
Yes. :)
Okay so say I just put in a plain old coaxial cable into the Vizio. My friends told me they get HD Content from the same provider I have for free over plain old coax but they have a different TV. My question is say I'm watching something random like the Food Channel or Discovery and it is NOT HD, will I be able to stretch that image that is natively 4:3 to 16:9? One more question, HD video that is sent over coax from my provider that my friends receive, is it in 16:9 format?
Just a little update for yalls. Exchanged the first VP322 for a new one. This one seems legit and I'm not getting the wavy lines over component like I did the other one. First thing I did was pop in the Breakin DVD, letting her juice up for an hour or two before I start using it for other things. Maybe I got an updated model?
spincut 08-25-08, 05:07 PM I got one of these last month. It's my 3rd plasma and I'm very happy with it. The PQ compares well with my 8G Kuro and is superior in every way to my HP plasma. The main difference vs. the Pio (other than slightly inferior black levels, which are still awesome) is motion video. I see more graininess and pixelation on the Visio vs. the Pio.
It does run very hot compared to my other two plasmas.
a 32" vizio being comprable to a Kuro eh....and to think peope were arguing on how close the top of the line Panasonics this year came....
Splicer010 08-25-08, 05:15 PM Yes. :)
Okay so say I just put in a plain old coaxial cable into the Vizio. My friends told me they get HD Content from the same provider I have for free over plain old coax but they have a different TV. My question is say I'm watching something random like the Food Channel or Discovery and it is NOT HD, will I be able to stretch that image that is natively 4:3 to 16:9? One more question, HD video that is sent over coax from my provider that my friends receive, is it in 16:9 format?
Seriously unlikely that Food or Discovery are 'clear QAM'...or in otherwords...digital...In SD...basic cable...OK I'll buy that...Now using basic cable with the Vizio you CAN stretch 4:3 material...But using the digital version...ie QAM...no...no stretching will be permitted...
As for your last question...IF the material is 16:9 then it is sent in 16:9...IfF it is 4:3 then 4:3 is what is sent...
I think you are confusing HD with meaning that every program is 16:9 and it is not...HD can also be 4:3...Also MOST 4:3 programming is upconverted to 1080i by the broadcasters...It is the actual signal itself that determines if the picture can be stretched...not the source material...
PridgNYC 08-26-08, 11:24 AM Seriously unlikely that Food or Discovery are 'clear QAM'...or in otherwords...digital...In SD...basic cable...OK I'll buy that...Now using basic cable with the Vizio you CAN stretch 4:3 material...But using the digital version...ie QAM...no...no stretching will be permitted...
As for your last question...IF the material is 16:9 then it is sent in 16:9...IfF it is 4:3 then 4:3 is what is sent...
I think you are confusing HD with meaning that every program is 16:9 and it is not...HD can also be 4:3...Also MOST 4:3 programming is upconverted to 1080i by the broadcasters...It is the actual signal itself that determines if the picture can be stretched...not the source material...
Not quite accurate. Clear QAM is a method of encoding digital channels. These channels can be Audio only, 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i. You will not be able to stretch the 720p or 1080i encoded channels, but you will be able to stretch the 480i/p encoded channels. It is up to the broadcaster what format to encode their channel in. Oftentimes they will have both a Standard def (480i) and a High Def (720p/1080i) feed available on the QAM channels. I set up this TV at my MIL's place this past weekend and scanned for channels on their cable connection. I was able to get both Analog and Digital (QAM) channels. You can tell which are which by the channel numbering. Analogs (always 480i) use a number eg. 4. Digitals use a dashed number eg. 1-1. There were both SD (480i) and HD (720p/1080i) versions in the digital channels for most of the locals. If you are watching an HD channel and they are showing a 4:3 show, it will have the black bars on the side and you will not be able to stretch it. In which case, you can switch the SD digital or analog feed for that channel and you will be able to stretch it.
Splicer010 08-26-08, 11:36 AM Not quite accurate. Clear QAM is a method of encoding digital channels. These channels can be Audio only, 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i. You will not be able to stretch the 720p or 1080i encoded channels, but you will be able to stretch the 480i/p encoded channels. It is up to the broadcaster what format to encode their channel in. Oftentimes they will have both a Standard def (480i) and a High Def (720p/1080i) feed available on the QAM channels. I set up this TV at my MIL's place this past weekend and scanned for channels on their cable connection. I was able to get both Analog and Digital (QAM) channels. You can tell which are which by the channel numbering. Analogs (always 480i) use a number eg. 4. Digitals use a dashed number eg. 1-1. There were both SD (480i) and HD (720p/1080i) versions in the digital channels for most of the locals. If you are watching an HD channel and they are showing a 4:3 show, it will have the black bars on the side and you will not be able to stretch it. In which case, you can switch the SD digital or analog feed for that channel and you will be able to stretch it.
Not quite accurate...Clear QAM means the channel IS NOT ENCODED...It is not "a method of encoding digital channels" :rolleyes: ...The rest...for the most part...(and if I had more time right now I would correct the other inaccuracies)..you just reitterated what I said...
feisty1 08-26-08, 12:00 PM Not quite accurate. Clear QAM is a method of encoding digital channels. These channels can be Audio only, 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i. You will not be able to stretch the 720p or 1080i encoded channels, but you will be able to stretch the 480i/p encoded channels. It is up to the broadcaster what format to encode their channel in. Oftentimes they will have both a Standard def (480i) and a High Def (720p/1080i) feed available on the QAM channels. I set up this TV at my MIL's place this past weekend and scanned for channels on their cable connection. I was able to get both Analog and Digital (QAM) channels. You can tell which are which by the channel numbering. Analogs (always 480i) use a number eg. 4. Digitals use a dashed number eg. 1-1. There were both SD (480i) and HD (720p/1080i) versions in the digital channels for most of the locals. If you are watching an HD channel and they are showing a 4:3 show, it will have the black bars on the side and you will not be able to stretch it. In which case, you can switch the SD digital or analog feed for that channel and you will be able to stretch it.
I am currently in slower, lower Delaware where the cable provider (MEDIACOM) provides all of four HD channels. If we behave, we have been promised an additional two channels of HD in the near future. For ABC and CBS HD channels, I always get 4:3 pictures and black bars on the sides. I zoom in with the TV remote to eliminate the black bars.
Question: Am I really getting an HD signal on these channels if I am able to distort them? Or am I downgrading the signal when I use the tv remote's zoom function? And yes, these are the digital equivalents of the analog channels which have different channel numbers.
Actually kind of suspect the cable box for another reason and having cable company check box tomorrow.
PridgNYC 08-26-08, 01:38 PM Not quite accurate...Clear QAM means the channel IS NOT ENCODED...It is not "a method of encoding digital channels" :rolleyes: ...The rest...for the most part...(and if I had more time right now I would correct the other inaccuracies)..you just reitterated what I said...
To clarify. QAM (clear or not) is a transmission method for cable. Clear signifies that the data is not ENCRYPTED. Encoding is not Encrypting. Encoding (in this context) refers to the act of converting or creating a digital broadcast into one of the ATSC standards that are used for digital television. These encoded ATSC broadcasts are then transmitted using QAM on cable. Your Clear QAM tuner will only be able to view the UNENCRYPTED digital channels.
The fact that you can't zoom into 720p or 1080i digital channels is a limitation if this TV. Some tv's and some cable boxes will allow you to do this.
OK just to jump in here and to be "clear", this TV does have a QAM tuner?? It is not listed in the manual that I could find and it said something to the effect that you needed a cable box to view any digital cable channels. I read so many owners manuals it is ridiculous so I may be confusing it but I was almost positive that this TV did not have a QAM tuner. Great news if it does but also disappointing that a plasma would not let you stretch 720p/1080i. Both my Pioneer and Panny plasmas have this. The Pioneer even has a feature that automatically detects black pillar bars and stretches it.
OK just to jump in here and to be "clear", this TV does have a QAM tuner?? It is not listed in the manual that I could find and it said something to the effect that you needed a cable box to view any digital cable channels. I read so many owners manuals it is ridiculous so I may be confusing it but I was almost positive that this TV did not have a QAM tuner. Great news if it does but also disappointing that a plasma would not let you stretch 720p/1080i. Both my Pioneer and Panny plasmas have this. The Pioneer even has a feature that automatically detects black pillar bars and stretches it.
The QAM is listed in it's Specs http://www.vizio.com/productDetails.aspx?id=1404&pid=1506
You may have gotten this one confused with the Insignia 32 in.
PridgNYC 08-26-08, 02:21 PM OK just to jump in here and to be "clear", this TV does have a QAM tuner?? It is not listed in the manual that I could find and it said something to the effect that you needed a cable box to view any digital cable channels. I read so many owners manuals it is ridiculous so I may be confusing it but I was almost positive that this TV did not have a QAM tuner. Great news if it does but also disappointing that a plasma would not let you stretch 720p/1080i. Both my Pioneer and Panny plasmas have this. The Pioneer even has a feature that automatically detects black pillar bars and stretches it.
Yes, this TV does have a QAM tuner. The manual does state that you would probably need an external box (cable/sattelite) to get HD, but it may not be necessary depending on whether your cable company delivers HD stations in unencrypted "clear" QAM. Usually the only HD channels you will be able to get "in the clear" are the local stations.
Yes, it would be nice if it did have stretching/zoom on HD channels, but what do you expect in a $500 tv.
Yes, this TV does have a QAM tuner. The manual does state that you would probably need an external box (cable/sattelite) to get HD, but it may not be necessary depending on whether your cable company delivers HD stations in unencrypted "clear" QAM. Usually the only HD channels you will be able to get "in the clear" are the local stations.
Yes, it would be nice if it did have stretching/zoom on HD channels, but what do you expect in a $500 tv.
but as stated before if you have an HD cable or Sat box that has the stretch feature then it really is a moot point.
I know the Scientific Atlanta 8300 HDDVR boxes do and if it's not listed on your remote than it is the pound symbol located to the right on the zero. Most updated HD Boxes do have this feature.
tsteph69 08-26-08, 04:16 PM How did you get them to PM a TV from a completely different manufacturer?
I spoke to the manager at my BB and he had no problem price matching the Vizio. I guess it depends on whether he wants the sale or not.
aerodynamics 08-26-08, 09:10 PM I spoke to the manager at my BB and he had no problem price matching the Vizio. I guess it depends on whether he wants the sale or not.
So did you just tell them "hey, these two TVs are pretty much the same" and they took the bait?
Yes, this TV does have a QAM tuner. The manual does state that you would probably need an external box (cable/sattelite) to get HD, but it may not be necessary depending on whether your cable company delivers HD stations in unencrypted "clear" QAM. Usually the only HD channels you will be able to get "in the clear" are the local stations.
Yes, it would be nice if it did have stretching/zoom on HD channels, but what do you expect in a $500 tv.
Wow right there on the page haha. Well this is good news and HD locals are all we are looking to get. This TV will be mounted above a bar in a friend's game room I am helping plan and setup the A/V part of it. He will have a 60" Pioneer on the other side of the room in the main setup but wanted to have a TV above the bar for football games and such. Originally the plan was for a 42" Panny but some poor planning/communication with his carpenter resulted in a smaller cavity for the TV.
On the stretching thing, I don't think cost has anything to do with it. You can get a 42" panasonic for $900 and it has the feature. Should be a standard option on any plasma. Looks like they just dropped the ball to me. It is not really a deal breaker though.
but as stated before if you have an HD cable or Sat box that has the stretch feature then it really is a moot point.
I know the Scientific Atlanta 8300 HDDVR boxes do and if it's not listed on your remote than it is the pound symbol located to the right on the zero. Most updated HD Boxes do have this feature.
How is the point moot when we are discussing using the TVs QAM tuner and not a cable/SAT box? There are applications where having an external box is just not optimal so your point is moot in reference to this discussion.
How is the point moot when we are discussing using the TVs QAM tuner and not a cable/SAT box? There are applications where having an external box is just not optimal so your point is moot in reference to this discussion.
I said the point is moot if you are using a cable/Sat box that has that feature,. Not everyone who buys a set is going to use the QAM and will have it hooked up to a box.
and it woiuld be good to know for people who are lurking and are getting somewhat confused.
I said the point is moot if you are using a cable/Sat box that has that feature,. Not everyone who buys a set is going to use the QAM and will have it hooked up to a box.
and it woiuld be good to know for people who are lurking and are getting somewhat confused.
Of course everyone is not going to use that feature. My guess is the mass majority will use some kind of cable/SAT box. You were responding to a comment talking about using the QAM tuner so the stretch modes in a cable/SAT box don't apply
KaTzOnIcE69 08-27-08, 01:56 PM hey everyone, i just joined the forum but have been a long time lurker here.
im looking into getting a smallish (26"-32") plasma or lcd for my bedroom. I stumbled across the vizio and it seems quite impressive (30000:1 contrast, 720p, deep blacks of plasmas, etc) but im still not quite sold.
Should i really be worried about Burn In/IR? I plan on breaking it in for the first 100 hours but should i be worried about things such as station logos? what about if i use my computer very rarely to surf the web possibly, would that cause IR burn in?
What about viewing during the day? I have two LARGE windows in my bedroom, but both can be covered with blinds that block out alot of the light. For casual watching during the late afternoon should i be worried about not being able to see the picture? or it just not looking as good as it could?
Also, i have a LARGE collection of DivX movies on my computer. Theyre not of the highest quality (6xx by 3xx pixels) but using postprocessing (ffdshow) they look phenominal on my 20" 1440x900 display. Should i expect the same (or close to) quality on the vizio or will they look terrible (unwatchable)?
Finally, would anyone recommend any other plasma/lcds for my application (12' by 13' room, watching from about an 8'-10' distance)? I dont need 1080p as the living room set is where we watch Blu Ray movies. Also, im trying to stick to a budget of $600
thanks in advance everyone!
When using the QAM tuner either off the air or cable, tune in a SD channel(480i), set the picture size to wide, then set the vertical size to your liking, I have mine on 40 , this is to get rid of that squashed look.
When tuned to a HD channel the set will revert to the proper 16x9 HD settings.
The set will remember these settings when switching back and forth between SD and HD channels.
The above is also true for a Cab/Sat box if the 4x3 override is set to 480i.
Not all HD channels are always transmitting a 16x9 picture, so you don't have any control over them.
Hope this helps
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veyladrone 08-27-08, 09:20 PM Katzonice69,
I can't answer all of your questions, but i'll be more than happy to answer the questions that i can to help with a decision.
I have a single, VERY large window in the room i have this television in, and granted i have a blackout curtain; during daylight hours a good bit of light can sometimes creep in through the sides. Even with that light, my overhead light or even with the curtains open, i haven't really noticed much difficulty in viewing this TV. Only during the darkest of scenes on SD content have i noticed much of a problem in viewing in bright conditions.
The question you asked about IR and Burn in is what i really want to address though. This set has quite a bit of IR, pure and simple. If you feel that you may not be able to subside a fear of permenant burn in when you see a bit of IR of a channels logo when you change to a different channel, this set is not for you. In fact, if this is the case, don't even get within 10 feet of this set lol. I can promise you will have IR, and if you are going to be in constant fear of burn in, seeing the IR will only make it worse, and you will find yourself not enjoying the positives of this set due to stress of burn in setting in.
All that being said, i can say that even though IR can be a bit of a scary issue, i have yet to see anything close to resembling burn in. The day Soul Calibur IV was released, i spent close to 6 hours of nonstop playing. Afterwards the IR from the lifebars was pretty clear and well defined, but about 45 minutes of full screen content and i could no longer see the IR from a distance of about 5 feet. another hour and i had my face almost pressed against the screen looking for signs of IR, and i couldn't find any.
tsteph69 08-29-08, 11:13 AM So did you just tell them "hey, these two TVs are pretty much the same" and they took the bait?
Pretty much.... It's not much of a discount and a $500 sale looks good for their numbers, most stores should go for it.
cesslinger 08-29-08, 12:50 PM Soul Caliber 4 is beautiful on this set. Actually, most xbox 360 games look great on the set. I am using my set exclusively for gaming and anime and I have not had any burn in. The IR gets alot better as the set ages. On top of that, whenever I take a smoke break I put the screen cleaner on just to make sure. No problems whatsoever.
Soul Caliber 4 is beautiful on this set. Actually, most xbox 360 games look great on the set. I am using my set exclusively for gaming and anime and I have not had any burn in. The IR gets alot better as the set ages. On top of that, whenever I take a smoke break I put the screen cleaner on just to make sure. No problems whatsoever.
same here, only have a 360 and Wii hooked up. 360 w/ VGA is sexy as it gets but I'm trying to get the Wii to look a little less like butt thru component. other than that I love it. watched Lost in 720p the other day and it was quite a sight to behold.
It's beautiful? Post some pics! :)
On a side note, there has been a load of confusion and I want to confirm it right here. Will I be able to stretch Standard Definition content to fill my entire screen? Second question, I will not be able to change High Definition signals coming straight from a coax to my TV, correct?
By the way, what kind of HD Content isn't in 16:9 format?
tsteph69 08-29-08, 11:47 PM It's beautiful? Post some pics! :)
On a side note, there has been a load of confusion and I want to confirm it right here. Will I be able to stretch Standard Definition content to fill my entire screen? Second question, I will not be able to change High Definition signals coming straight from a coax to my TV, correct?
By the way, what kind of HD Content isn't in 16:9 format?
A lot of content isn't in 16:9. Some is 4:3,, some is 2.40:1. This TV will NOT stretch/skew HD content of any kind, from any source. This is a firmware limitation of this set. It will stretch SD content. The Insignia plasma that uses the same LG panel will stretch all content, including HD.
It's beautiful? Post some pics! :)
On a side note, there has been a load of confusion and I want to confirm it right here. Will I be able to stretch Standard Definition content to fill my entire screen? Second question, I will not be able to change High Definition signals coming straight from a coax to my TV, correct?
By the way, what kind of HD Content isn't in 16:9 format?
Yes you will be able to stretch SD content.
The only time you may see any High Def channels not be full screen is when a movie is being broadcasted and they are keeping it to it's original 2.35:1 aspect. Otherwise all your HD channels will fill up the screen when aired in HD and the you'll be just fine with the designated HD channels such as Discover HD, MHD Universal.
The worst thing you can do is overthink this. You're going to be fine.
any word on the service menu code to get into the VP322
Novice question: what benefits does the 32" vizio plasma have over the lcd? Why would someone prefer LCD? Do plasmas generally last longer? It seems like there's a higher lcd failure rate compared to plasmas.
I plan to use it for Movies (through computer VGA input) and watching TV.
Buckeye911 09-05-08, 04:15 AM Novice question: what benefits does the 32" vizio plasma have over the lcd? Why would someone prefer LCD? Do plasmas generally last longer? It seems like there's a higher lcd failure rate compared to plasmas.
I plan to use it for Movies (through computer VGA input) and watching TV.
Failure rates are approximately the same for both. Here is a break down of brands by Consumer Reports, Vizio is not listed because they said they do not have enough data to accurately indicate reliability.
PLASMA BRAND REPAIR HISTORY BY % FROM 2004 -2007
Panasonic 2
Pioneer 3
Samsung 5
Philips 8
LCD BRAND REPAIR HISTORY BY % FROM 2004 -2007
Panasonic 2
Sony 3
Sharp 3
Samsung 3
Toshiba 3
JVC 3
Philips 4
Hitachi 9
Dell 11
Data are based on nearly 75,000 reader responses about flat panel TVs to the Annual Product Reliability Survey conducted by the Consumer Reports National Research Center. Data are adjusted to eliminate differences linked solely to the age of the product.
Holy Sorcerer 09-05-08, 09:59 PM I'm new to this forum and am in the market for a tv for my bedroom. I liked the look of this set in Walmart and was trying to decide between this set and the (more expensive) VW32L LCD set. My primary use would be gaming and movie watching. I'd also like to hook it up to my pc for use there as well. The PQ seemed better on this one compared to the LCD, but a walmart display is hardly the best way to judge PQ. Is IR and burn in really a big problem on this one? That has made me shy away from other plasmas in the past. How about lag during gaming? Any experience with either set?
I really appreciate any advice. Thanks.
My sister just bought the Vizio VP322 for my nephew for his apartment in college. Got it at Costco, no lines/banding over component on his Wii or is DVD player.
Looks like they've corrected the problem on the later build dates.
There were some others who've reported the no lines on theirs as well.
RedLT4Mike 09-07-08, 06:06 PM Just had an issue with my set....
I'm watching FOX HD (Cowboys v. Browns) and during a commercial break,
there is a split screen demo of two products. The line separating the products
was thin vertical white line in middle of the screen. When the commercial was over, the line was "stuck" on my screen. It then moved to the left and got fatter. At this point, I'm thinking "it must be my cable box", so I power the box off, but the line is still there. I then power down the TV hoping it will come back on without the line... NOPE, it is still there(cable box still off).
I then turn the cable box back on and the line moves back to it's original position in the middle of the screen. After a few seconds, the line wipes itself to the right completely off the screen and hasn't been seen since.
tsteph69 09-07-08, 11:03 PM I'm new to this forum and am in the market for a tv for my bedroom. I liked the look of this set in Walmart and was trying to decide between this set and the (more expensive) VW32L LCD set. My primary use would be gaming and movie watching. I'd also like to hook it up to my pc for use there as well. The PQ seemed better on this one compared to the LCD, but a walmart display is hardly the best way to judge PQ. Is IR and burn in really a big problem on this one? That has made me shy away from other plasmas in the past. How about lag during gaming? Any experience with either set?
I really appreciate any advice. Thanks.
There is NO lag with plasma, they don't suffer from pixel refresh rates as lcd's do. There is some IR but it is unnoticable on anything other than a black screen. I've not heard of anyone suffering burn-in on one of these LG panels. Black levels are much better on plasmas and they have a more natural looking picture to my eye, more similar to a crt.
mosul210 09-09-08, 09:21 AM Hey all I picked up the VP322 last night, I could not pass up the price. Picked it up for $460 plus tax after using my buddy's Walmart discount.
Have not set it up yet, I have a couple of questions. My Norcent LCD currently displays 16:9 over my coaxial cable connection (strecthed image I imagine). Will the VP322 also display a 16:9 image?
secondly, I've heard some plasmas require a break in period. Can someone explain this to me? Is this something I need to do with my VP322? Thanks.
silverbullet763 09-09-08, 07:50 PM Hey all I picked up the VP322 last night, I could not pass up the price. Picked it up for $460 plus tax after using my buddy's Walmart discount.
Have not set it up yet, I have a couple of questions. My Norcent LCD currently displays 16:9 over my coaxial cable connection (strecthed image I imagine). Will the VP322 also display a 16:9 image?
secondly, I've heard some plasmas require a break in period. Can someone explain this to me? Is this something I need to do with my VP322? Thanks.
The VP322 will display content in 16:9 and 4:3 depending on what version the content is. Breaking in a plasma is running a break in disc for approximately 100 hours or more. This allows the phosphors in the set to be aged evenly. I recently purchased the VP322 and ran the break in disc for 100 hours. The set's color seemed to change for the better. I would recommend doing it as it also improved image retention quite a bit. You can download a copy of the break in disc here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=949107
There are also DVD-R and SD card versions of the disc. The above copy is SVCD. You will need a compatible DVD player if you use the SVCD formated version. I turned the brightness and contrast on the TV up a bit during the break in period also. Congrats on the purchase!
mosul210 09-10-08, 08:21 AM The VP322 will display content in 16:9 and 4:3 depending on what version the content is. Breaking in a plasma is running a break in disc for approximately 100 hours or more. This allows the phosphors in the set to be aged evenly. I recently purchased the VP322 and ran the break in disc for 100 hours. The set's color seemed to change for the better. I would recommend doing it as it also improved image retention quite a bit. You can download a copy of the break in disc here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=949107
There are also DVD-R and SD card versions of the disc. The above copy is SVCD. You will need a compatible DVD player if you use the SVCD formated version. I turned the brightness and contrast on the TV up a bit during the break in period also. Congrats on the purchase!
I'm not very computer savy, anyone know where I would be able to pick up a DVD-R copy of this disc? Much Thanks.
silverbullet763 09-10-08, 02:04 PM I'm not very computer savy, anyone know where I would be able to pick up a DVD-R copy of this disc? Much Thanks.
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm
mosul210 09-10-08, 02:32 PM http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm
This is exactly what I needed thanks!
Finally setup the VP322 last night and all I can say is wow! HD never looked this good.
SheepNutz 09-11-08, 09:21 AM I have a quick question for you VP322 owners out there. I was checking out this set at my local walmart, and I was displeased to see a 1cm gap all the way around between the picture and bezel, like it had severe underscan. Is the set really like this, or did they just have it set up wrong?
I have a quick question for you VP322 owners out there. I was checking out this set at my local walmart, and I was displeased to see a 1cm gap all the way around between the picture and bezel, like it had severe underscan. Is the set really like this, or did they just have it set up wrong?
First guess would be set up wrong but it's tough to say without seeing it. It could also be the feed and the content sent to it as well. For example many times when wathcing Animal Planet HD it "just" doesn't quiet fill the screen. Which is due to Animal Planet's broadcast it's sending.
When I checked out the VP322 a while back, WalMart was running a movie and it looked great filled the screen.
mosul210 09-11-08, 11:52 AM First guess would be set up wrong but it's tough to say without seeing it. It could also be the feed and the content sent to it as well. For example many times when wathcing Animal Planet HD it "just" doesn't quiet fill the screen. Which is due to Animal Planet's broadcast it's sending.
I totally agree. The picture of the VP322 at my local Walmart looked terrible. I am not sure if it was the feed or the settings on the unit. After purchasing the unit and utilzing the recommended calibration settings my picture looks great. I am limiting the time and content I watch for now until I receive my break in disc - I'm worry about image retention.
SheepNutz 09-11-08, 12:23 PM I totally agree. The picture of the VP322 at my local Walmart looked terrible. I am not sure if it was the feed or the settings on the unit. After purchasing the unit and utilzing the recommended calibration settings my picture looks great. I am limiting the time and content I watch for now until I receive my break in disc - I'm worry about image retention.
So you don't have any blank space between the picture and the bezel?
mosul210 09-11-08, 02:30 PM So you don't have any blank space between the picture and the bezel?
No blank space on mine. The only thing I get is the black borders either on the side or top/bottom depending on the format the image is being broadcasted on.
SheepNutz 09-11-08, 04:19 PM No blank space on mine. The only thing I get is the black borders either on the side or top/bottom depending on the format the image is being broadcasted on.
Thanks! I see one of these in my future. I think my sister-in-law has a costco membership, so I might get it there for the extended warranty.
I have one of these and a pioneer 1150 Elite, The pioneer blows it out of the water as far as image quality, but I am still running this at the factory settings
I used d-nice's settings for my pioneer, and then touched it up with DVE hd basics and I am extremely happy with it. Is there any reference settings for this tv yet? and is there a SD version of a calibration disk (hopefully free since i already bought a Blu-ray version and don't have a blu-ray player hooked up to this tv)?
Double Eagle 09-12-08, 10:30 AM I totally agree. The picture of the VP322 at my local Walmart looked terrible. I am not sure if it was the feed or the settings on the unit.
When I first saw the VP322 at my local Walmart, they were feeding it with an analog signal and it looked like crap. My guess is the problem is with their feed to the TV as my VP322 is exceptional.
mrperple 09-12-08, 04:50 PM Anybody have some good baseline settings for this set? Would like a good starting point & will do some minor tweeking from there. I just picked it up @ wal-mart this week and will be setting it up this weekend. I don't have a dvd player in the bedrrom and really don't want to take mine out of my setup I have in my basement(would really be a pain in the you know what). The vp322 looks like a winner for a bedroom setup. Really looking forward to setting this baby up!
silverbullet763 09-12-08, 06:12 PM Anybody have some good baseline settings for this set? Would like a good starting point & will do some minor tweeking from there. I just picked it up @ wal-mart this week and will be setting it up this weekend. I don't have a dvd player in the bedrrom and really don't want to take mine out of my setup I have in my basement(would really be a pain in the you know what). The vp322 looks like a winner for a bedroom setup. Really looking forward to setting this baby up!
I have one of these and a pioneer 1150 Elite, The pioneer blows it out of the water as far as image quality, but I am still running this at the factory settings
I used d-nice's settings for my pioneer, and then touched it up with DVE hd basics and I am extremely happy with it. Is there any reference settings for this tv yet? and is there a SD version of a calibration disk (hopefully free since i already bought a Blu-ray version and don't have a blu-ray player hooked up to this tv)?
There are settings listed at tweak tv:
Picture Modes
Picture Mode : Custom
Color Temperature : Normal
Aspect Ratio : Wide
Picture Settings
Brightness : 51
Contrast : 40
Color : 45
Tint : 1
Sharpness : 0
Color Temperature : Normal
Advanced Video
DNR : Off
Black Level Extender : Off
White Peak Limiter : On
CTI : Off
Fleshtone : Off
Adaptive Luma : Off
CNet has these:
Picture menu:
Picture mode: Custom
Brightness: 51
Contrast: 40
Color: 45
Tint: 1
Sharpness: 0
Color temperature: Custom
Custom color temperature menu:
Red: 153
Green: 123
Blue: 100
Advanced menu:
DNR: Off
Black Level Extender: Off
White Peak Limiter: On
CTI: Off
Flesh Tone: Off
Adaptive Luma: Off
BigPictureBigSound has these:
The TV was reviewed by Chris Boylan
Calibrating the set was a pretty simple affair - the picture setting sliders move one step at a time if you press them quickly but jump rapidly to the extremes if you hold them in. Using our SpyderTV Pro 2007 colorimeter and software, it took less than 30 minutes to dial the set in, and the final settings were not that far off from the defaults. With SpyderTV calibration, "normal" (the default) was the most accurate of the color temperature presets. The VP322 allows RGB levels to be set individually in an "advanced" color temperature menu, but we felt this was unnecessary. Contrast was best at 48 (default was 50), brightness was best at 51 (default was 50), Color was best at 50 (default), and tint was best at +2 (default was zero).
One thing different from many other sets we have tested is that the VP322 calibration settings are not input specific. You can only have one "Custom" setting and this carries over to all inputs. This required some adjustments as the integrated ATSC tuner's ideal picture settings were a little different than those that applied to the Blu-ray Disc player used for SpyderTV calibration. Notably, skin tones were a bit too orangy red viewing HDTV channels. Dropping the Color control down two notches to 48 improved this issue, albeit at the expense of some color saturation.
You can find the SD version of the Break In Disc here:
http://www.eaprogramming.com/
Go to Downloads and it is the Images Zip Download
I like the Tweak TV settings and those used by BigPictureBigSound. Which ones used will probably depend on the room, but all in all they are a great starting point.
:)
mrperple 09-13-08, 01:31 AM There are settings listed at tweak tv:
Picture Modes
Picture Mode : Custom
Color Temperature : Normal
Aspect Ratio : Wide
Picture Settings
Brightness : 51
Contrast : 40
Color : 45
Tint : 1
Sharpness : 0
Color Temperature : Normal
Advanced Video
DNR : Off
Black Level Extender : Off
White Peak Limiter : On
CTI : Off
Fleshtone : Off
Adaptive Luma : Off
CNet has these:
Picture menu:
Picture mode: Custom
Brightness: 51
Contrast: 40
Color: 45
Tint: 1
Sharpness: 0
Color temperature: Custom
Custom color temperature menu:
Red: 153
Green: 123
Blue: 100
Advanced menu:
DNR: Off
Black Level Extender: Off
White Peak Limiter: On
CTI: Off
Flesh Tone: Off
Adaptive Luma: Off
BigPictureBigSound has these:
The TV was reviewed by Chris Boylan
Calibrating the set was a pretty simple affair - the picture setting sliders move one step at a time if you press them quickly but jump rapidly to the extremes if you hold them in. Using our SpyderTV Pro 2007 colorimeter and software, it took less than 30 minutes to dial the set in, and the final settings were not that far off from the defaults. With SpyderTV calibration, "normal" (the default) was the most accurate of the color temperature presets. The VP322 allows RGB levels to be set individually in an "advanced" color temperature menu, but we felt this was unnecessary. Contrast was best at 48 (default was 50), brightness was best at 51 (default was 50), Color was best at 50 (default), and tint was best at +2 (default was zero).
One thing different from many other sets we have tested is that the VP322 calibration settings are not input specific. You can only have one "Custom" setting and this carries over to all inputs. This required some adjustments as the integrated ATSC tuner's ideal picture settings were a little different than those that applied to the Blu-ray Disc player used for SpyderTV calibration. Notably, skin tones were a bit too orangy red viewing HDTV channels. Dropping the Color control down two notches to 48 improved this issue, albeit at the expense of some color saturation.
You can find the SD version of the Break In Disc here:
http://www.eaprogramming.com/
Go to Downloads and it is the Images Zip Download
I like the Tweak TV settings and those used by BigPictureBigSound. Which ones used will probably depend on the room, but all in all they are a great starting point.
:)
Wow!! Thanx alot for the info. Looks like everyone is pretty close so there wont be too much tweaking for my set w/ theses settings. Thanx again
watching TV in either stretch or zoom mode is aki to watching a black and white movie that has been "colorized".
I sent my brother in law in Lancaster, PA to get one at the local Costco, he couldn't find it. I called the store, they told me it was a "discontinued item". I got the same story from the Harrisburg Costco.
If you are thinking of cashing in on the $XXXXX/2 year warranty deal act now if your local Costco still has them. Otherwise you have to spend more at Wally World and get a single year warranty and a much less agreeable return policy.
madmatt151 09-18-08, 11:37 AM I sent my brother in law in Lancaster, PA to get one at the local Costco, he couldn't find it. I called the store, they told me it was a "discontinued item". I got the same story from the Harrisburg Costco.
If you are thinking of cashing in on the $XXXXX/2 year warranty deal act now if your local Costco still has them. Otherwise you have to spend more at Wally World and get a single year warranty and a much less agreeable return policy.
Maybe a stupid question, but did you check the Costco in Queens? I go there sometimes because they have different stock then the ones by me. I know for a fact the Costco in New Rochelle had them 2 weeks ago when I was there. I haven't looked recently to see if they are still in stock.
feisty1 09-18-08, 02:37 PM Maybe a stupid question, but did you check the Costco in Queens? I go there sometimes because they have different stock then the ones by me. I know for a fact the Costco in New Rochelle had them 2 weeks ago when I was there. I haven't looked recently to see if they are still in stock.
I'm in New Rochelle. As of two days ago they had a load of them Even moved the display unit to a more prominent position. I go there once a week. If they disappear, I'll post. Right now it does not appear that they are being discontinued.
I got one of these last week at Costco, but will have to bring it back for an exchange...last night when removing the break in DVD to watch a real movie, the right 1/5 of the screen went white with a few random colored vertical lines. I thought it might have been just that input, but it occurred with any input, no change if i switched resolution or anything. i unplugged it totally and let it be overnight, but turning it back on, that same 1/5 of the screen was now dark, and the normal blue background was only on the rest of the screen until i tried to use the image cleaner when it went white again. hopefully round 2 won't have this prob
Smalls2 09-23-08, 06:47 PM Can someone please point me in the direction of calibration settings for the VP50. I've searched for 30 minutes without any good info.
did you look a few posts up?
:)
Smalls2 09-23-08, 07:48 PM did you look a few posts up?
:)
well that's for a 32" I have a 50"
silverbullet763 09-23-08, 10:11 PM well that's for a 32" I have a 50"
Vizio VP505XVT-From TweakTV
User Menu Settings
Picture Modes
Picture Mode : Custom
Color Temperature : Normal
Aspect Ratio : Full Screen
Picture Settings
Brightness : 53
Contrast : 47
Color : 50
Tint : 0
Sharpness : 0
Color Temperature : Normal
Advanced Settings
NR Temporal : Locked at Low
NR MPEG : Locked at Low
Film Mode : Auto
CTI : Off
Flesh Tone : Off
Adaptive Luma : Off
I'm assuming this is the correct model of Vizio you have. If not, post back and list your model information. :)
feisty1 09-25-08, 03:30 PM It's true. Went to my local New Rochelle COSTCO and no more 32" Vizio Plasmas. Spoke to store personnel and they indicated that smallest Vizio Plasma will now be a 42" model.
Bradrj1029 09-26-08, 06:35 AM Is this plasma worth it? its 512 at walmart right now, so i considered that to be a pretty good deal. The tv looks great at the store IMO. better than most of the lcds of the same size. I was wondering if this tv gets burn in easily? And if it has a tuner to where i can just plug cable into the back and it pick up hd channels.
And can someone please post pictures of their tv if you can. That would be awesome. Thank you
Is this plasma worth it? its 512 at walmart right now, so i considered that to be a pretty good deal. The tv looks great at the store IMO. better than most of the lcds of the same size. I was wondering if this tv gets burn in easily? And if it has a tuner to where i can just plug cable into the back and it pick up hd channels.
And can someone please post pictures of their tv if you can. That would be awesome. Thank you
It's a really great Plasma, my friend has it and I watch it all the time. The Picture Quality is better than any other 32" (not the ones over $1000 though :p.) Yes it does have a QAM Tuner and all you need is the coax cable from the wall and you should be set.
Bradrj1029 09-26-08, 11:20 PM Hmm. Thanks. Anyone have user pics at all or no? Can someone please take a pic of like the weather channel or something. I have watched the only 2 videos on youtube of the tv and want more., Thanks
Buckeye911 09-26-08, 11:36 PM Hmm. Thanks. Anyone have user pics at all or no? Can someone please take a pic of like the weather channel or something. I have watched the only 2 videos on youtube of the tv and want more., Thanks
Go to the page listing the thread and click on the paperclip icon to the right of the thread title. The pictures posted in this thread will come up.
Went out and bought this set two days, and just got my HD DVR through my cable company today. Yesterday I was pretty disappointed with the signal from just the jack, but today SD looks 100x times better, and HD is just gorgeous on this set. I've been running the break in DVD during the day and whenever I'm not using the TV.
So far burn in and image retention is no issue. It's done it a little here or there but I've seen absolutely none of it while watching TV, only when it's on an empty input. I've seen none of the reported issues of funny lines on the screen. Also, my cable company has a remote that changes the aspect, so non HD channels don't bother me that bad either. It takes a 4:3 and stretches it to 16:9, which doesn't look too bad. The next button push makes it a zoomed 4:3 that cuts the top and bottom off equally. This is better, but sometimes annoying because zoomed in on non-HD is a bit grainy.
All-in-all, I'm very happy with this set for my bedroom. It's my first HD, and plasma, and I am very happy with it. I'm picking up a PS3 later for Blu-ray capabilities, and the up-converting it does since my DVD player doesn't do it.
I also wanted to point out that the output of my DVR is adjustable and 1080i looks leaps and bounds better than 720p does. It might just be the scaling of the DVR, but either way the TV does a better job scaling down than the DVR does.
I drove to 4 walmarts to get this set. All of them claimed to have it, then when I got there none of them could find it. Everytime I talked to someone, they all tried to sell me the LCD instead. I finally had to ask someone why the hell they kept trying to sell me something I didn't want after they were too incompetent to tell me on the phone they didn't have the TV.
Enjoy your sets guys!
Shawn
Double Eagle 09-29-08, 07:11 PM I bought my second VP322 at WalMart today. When I asked for the set, they offered me a factory sealed remanufactured set for $425 with a full warranty. I jumped on it.
I have it set up an running and it is every bit as good as the one I bought when they first came out. I think the PQ on this set amazing.
Still thrilled with my set, IR is minimal and when it's there I don't notice unless I'm looking. HD looks awesome for a bedroom set. Can't wait to try out a PS3/bluray/upconverted DVD.
Been running the break in disc every day at work and it seems to be going well.
ktk0117 10-01-08, 08:54 AM Just picked one up at Wally World 3 days ago for $512.00 on sale. I have to say I'm impressed. I already have a Vizio VX32L, that I paid $569.00 for, but this one is MUCH nicer as far as the picture. No color bleeding, brightness WAY better.
The only complaint I have is that the remote sucks, the VX32L came with a full feature remote, so I use that for the plasma.
But for the $$, it's the best 32" out there!
chanedog 10-01-08, 09:02 PM just bought this for $380 out the door for my son for xmas! our wal-mart received all the display models from another wal-mart that was closing due to being built on a landfill. So I got it for 30% off. Almost got him the 42" but seemed excessive for a 9-year olds bedroom. And anyway, if he got a 42" so soon, he'd never know our suffering and yearning for the pioneers and panasonics that we have had to wait for!
outlaw242 10-02-08, 01:31 PM hey guy here are some shots of the vp322. i bought this only 3 weeks ago at walmart and i am verry pleased. the sound isint the best but picture quality is solid. it dose heat up alot but this dosent affect usage. only thing when watching HD the volume gets low i dont know if thats dew too receiver im using (VS9000) or TV. other than that is a verry good buy i paid $547 thats including tax
Bradrj1029 10-02-08, 09:34 PM hey guys. I just went and got the vp422 from walmart. it was a display that was 30% off
Do you guys think i got a good deal for a tv used by walmart? I dont believe the tv was touched by any customers because it was on the top shelf and the top shelf for the tvs is pretty high. Well yeah i got it with the power cord and the remote. No box or manual. I have a 90 day return for walmart in case it messes up. And i called vizio and the lady said i got a 1 year warranty even though it was a display. I wanna call back vizio and see if she made a mistake because i didn think i would get a 1 yr warranty with the display model. The tv looks amazing though. Just has slight burn in and thats it. You can barely see it on a white screen and it is inpossible to see it while watching regular tv. Do you guys think I got a good deal?
here are 2 pics
http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr94/Bradrj1029/media1.jpg
and
http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr94/Bradrj1029/media12.jpg
them 2 images are from my razr phone and its not hd cable yet.
aerodynamics 10-02-08, 09:58 PM I know pictures aren't really a good reference point when it comes to gauging the image quality of a TV (especially from a cell phone) but if SD content on your VP422 looks anywhere as sharp and vivid as those pics...wow.
Bradrj1029 10-02-08, 11:14 PM so are you saying the tv is good? Cuz I took them pics with my cell phone that has a sucky quality camera. The hd on this vp422 looks 10x better than the quality in the pics
I say you got a great deal. Enjoy.
chanedog 10-03-08, 09:47 AM Does anyone know how to adjust the resolution from the cable box? I have an 8300HD from Time Warner and can't seem to find any adjustment for resolution anywhere. I hooked up the coax directly to the tv and it will only output at 480i. SD looks adequate (not as good as my Sony Wega CRT), but I'm dying to see HD and blu-ray on this TV. I called Time Warner and the guy said that I had an older box that doesn't have a resolution adjustment, but I'm skeptical about that. Any help would be greatly appreciated before I have to call them back.
If it's not an HD box then the cable rep is right and it'll only output 480. Swap out for an HD box and you'll be all set. If you have the cable guy do it, they will set it to 1080i if you swap it out yourself you'll more than likely have to go in to menue and set everything for HD.
But that model number sounds like an HD box though. Hmmm. Is it a Sci. Atlanta 8300? That's what mine is and mine is set to 1080i. Look on the front face of the box, do you see unlit res. of 480P,720P and 1080i?
Does anyone know how to adjust the resolution from the cable box? I have an 8300HD from Time Warner and can't seem to find any adjustment for resolution anywhere. I hooked up the coax directly to the tv and it will only output at 480i. SD looks adequate (not as good as my Sony Wega CRT), but I'm dying to see HD and blu-ray on this TV. I called Time Warner and the guy said that I had an older box that doesn't have a resolution adjustment, but I'm skeptical about that. Any help would be greatly appreciated before I have to call them back.
Maybe this will help.
http://www.sciatl.com/Products/consumers/userguidepdfs/4003114.pdf
this maybe better
http://www.sciatl.com/Products/consumers/userguidepdfs/4004007.pdf
If it's not an HD box then the cable rep is right and it'll only output 480. Swap out for an HD box and you'll be all set. If you have the cable guy do it, they will set it to 1080i if you swap it out yourself you'll more than likely have to go in to menue and set everything for HD.
But that model number sounds like an HD box though. Hmmm. Is it a Sci. Atlanta 8300? That's what mine is and mine is set to 1080i. Look on the front face of the box, do you see unlit res. of 480P,720P and 1080i?
If it's Sci Atl 8300 you'll get a better picture with Component. There are just too many HDMI issues for that particular model, look for the sci atl 8300 thread you'll see.
Once again, set the box to not upscale the contents, since from my personal reference the TV does a better job upscaling than the cable box.
e60insd 10-04-08, 06:40 PM Hey everyone...
I just got the VP322 from wal-mart about a 5 days ago. I noticed tints of purple when I run the "screen cleaner". Its more noticeable on the corners...
Is this normal? Do plasmas have a purple tint to them?
Mambaveli24 10-04-08, 10:44 PM Hey everyone...
I just got the VP322 from wal-mart about a 5 days ago. I noticed tints of purple when I run the "screen cleaner". Its more noticeable on the corners...
Is this normal? Do plasmas have a purple tint to them?
I don't. Maybe you sure return it for another one.
after time plasmas do show some off coloring on a pure white screen. i dont know the exact reason, but if you dont see it while playing i say dont worry about it. every plasma i have seen so far over time develops it. the ones i have seen arent over obvious, but you do see some slight discoloration either red or green.
cesslinger 10-04-08, 11:34 PM Here is some anime on this nice little set.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n68/cesslinger22/P1010018.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n68/cesslinger22/P1010019.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n68/cesslinger22/P1010025.jpg
e60insd 10-05-08, 12:18 AM No reds or greens.
I actually went to wal-mart and looked at the display model. I also saw some purple in the upper left hand corner when the tv was in cleaning mode.
Can you guys check if you see some purples on the sreen while the image cleaner is on. THANKS
cesslinger 10-05-08, 11:04 AM When I use the screen clean (frequently) it is an even gray across the entire screen.
e60insd 10-05-08, 02:33 PM Well guys... I decided to return my VP322 and purchase a Samsung LN32A540. Its costing me 200 dollars more but I wanted a good LCD.
Maybe im picky but the IR and fear of burn in led me to LCD. Thanks for your help!
Does Vizio also make the Inginia 32" Plasma model found at Best Buy?
Much of the Vizio's innards, and even more of the Ensignias, are made by LG. Ensignia's 19" thru 32" LCD's are also made by LG with, I believe, AOC display panels on the latter.
I've seen RGB response curve graphs on SONY tv's that look exactly the same as the RGB curves on Samsungs, RCAs, and Toshibas, Many of the brand names on a/v gear sold today have no clear meaning whatsoever.
madmatt151 10-06-08, 12:53 PM Well guys... I decided to return my VP322 and purchase a Samsung LN32A540. Its costing me 200 dollars more but I wanted a good LCD.
Maybe im picky but the IR and fear of burn in led me to LCD. Thanks for your help!
So you paid more because of "fear"! You didn't actually have IR or burn in, you were just afraid to have it??? Well, we are all American, fear is our national commodity right now. Enjoy the blurring LCD, hope you don't EVER plan on watching SD or DVDs.
e60insd 10-06-08, 09:00 PM Thanks for your approval Madmatt...
If you wanted to pay more you could have a quality LCD where the picture difference is minimal. But we are all American and as such... the distribution of wealth is not equal. =)
walkoflea 10-07-08, 06:43 PM Just went out this weekend and purchased the Vizio 32 based on the comments here. This is a great buy in my opinion for a Plasma. I have been waiting for a Pioneer KURO but couldn't swallow the price tag at this time so decided to go for this unit to tide me over until next summer when the new models come out and I can pick up the 9G on close out.
I watch football and with my wife's LG LCD we see the "Blur" often. The refresh rate of Plasma's is so high typically >400Hz blurring is not an issue. You can look to get the newer 120Hz LCDs but not at this price point.
Just went out this weekend and purchased the Vizio 32 based on the comments here. This is a great buy in my opinion for a Plasma. I have been waiting for a Pioneer KURO but couldn't swallow the price tag at this time so decided to go for this unit to tide me over until next summer when the new models come out and I can pick up the 9G on close out.
I watch football and with a my wife's LG LCD we see the "Blur" often. The refresh rate of Plasma's is so high typically >400Hz blurring is not an issue. You can look to get the newer 120Hz LCDs but not at this price point.
Isn't the refresh rate of this TV 60Hz? (Even though I fed it 576i 50Hz PAL signal just for kicks and the TV accepted it)
If you're talking about response time then plasmas are generally in the microseconds (0.000001) over milliseconds (0.001) for LCDs.
MonstaMackin 10-08-08, 06:09 PM Anyone else have any brightness flicker issues?.
I noticed in certain games on my 360 that it would go "bright" then "dim" in certain areas of blue/light and dark areas. If the picture was still/not moving much I would not have these issues.
I don't mind the deal with lines on component but the flickering has been quite annoying.
I know when it comes to lowering the contrast it seems to happen a lot less.
walkoflea 10-08-08, 07:37 PM Isn't the refresh rate of this TV 60Hz? (Even though I fed it 576i 50Hz PAL signal just for kicks and the TV accepted it)
If you're talking about response time then plasmas are generally in the microseconds (0.000001) over milliseconds (0.001) for LCDs.
Yes the TV refresh rate is 60Hz however with a Plasma TV each pixel has a pulse rate in addition to the TV’s refresh rate. I don't know what it is for the Vizio but I have seen reports that these can range up to 12 pulses per cycle. That works out to an effective refresh rate of 760Hz. I have read other reports where the pulse rate may be 7~8 per cycle or >400Hz.
All I know is I have not yet detected any blur with this TV watching football Sunday and Monday night.
bgrutter 10-08-08, 11:13 PM Does anyone have any experience with black column burn-in with this TV? I don't like to stretch SD and that makes me nervous.
Are the black levels/detail better than a comparable lcd?
cesslinger 10-09-08, 12:52 PM None can touch the black level and stay under $1000.00 price point.
Are the black levels/detail better than a comparable lcd?
None can touch the black level and stay under $1000.00 price point.
I second that. Black levels of plasma >>> LCD.
Vesayem 10-10-08, 08:23 AM Hey all, I just got this TV, I love it. I set up the HDMI using Tweak's calibration settings, seem great. Now, does anyone, by any chance, have settings for the RGB, cause I also use this as a computer monitor. Thanks for your help!
silverbullet763 10-10-08, 08:02 PM Anyone else have any brightness flicker issues?.
I noticed in certain games on my 360 that it would go "bright" then "dim" in certain areas of blue/light and dark areas. If the picture was still/not moving much I would not have these issues.
I don't mind the deal with lines on component but the flickering has been quite annoying.
I know when it comes to lowering the contrast it seems to happen a lot less.
I had noticed this too when I first hooked the tv up. Since doing the break in for the 100 hours and changing the settings to the Tweak TV settings, I haven't seen the flickering anymore. I would adjust your settings and see what happens.
I just noticed a slight buzz from my Vizio 32" plasma from Costco that I purchased on 10/1 - so rather new.
I've run the burn-in DVD for about 10-15 hours (and continue to use it off hours) but I've also watched several shows/sports. I notice the buzz more when a scene changes on a show.
The tv has about a 5" clearance from a shelf above it that holds the hdmi dvd player - not that I think this is the cause but wanted to give all facts.
Also, I have the plasma configured with the settings in this forum from tweak/cnet.
Should I return for another or will it go away?
Thanks
Forget the buzz... I have a bigger issue now.
The TV just quit working about an hour ago. The standby/amber light is on but now the TV won't power on. I unplugged the TV so I could plug it into a surge protector. Nothing out of the ordinary occurred, no sounds or "pop" (though, as stated previously, the TV started to buzz lately). If I unplug the TV and plug it back in the standby light turns bright but then starts to dim. Guess I'll get a new one and try this again but not sure I should.
I am not the only one having this issue with Vizio.... here are more details on the problem.
http://www.fixya.com/support/t181430-vizi_l37_turn
Forget the buzz... I have a bigger issue now.
The TV just quit working about an hour ago. The standby/amber light is on but now the TV won't power on. I unplugged the TV so I could plug it into a surge protector. Nothing out of the ordinary occurred, no sounds or "pop" (though, as stated previously, the TV started to buzz lately). If I unplug the TV and plug it back in the standby light turns bright but then starts to dim. Guess I'll get a new one and try this again but not sure I should.
I am not the only one having this issue with Vizio.... here are more details on the problem.
http://www.fixya.com/support/t181430-vizi_l37_turn
Sounds like the power transformer in the TV is failing from day 1. I suggest you go for a replacement and see if you still got the buzz.
It also helps if you have a Kill-a-watt to measure the voltage on your AC outlet. I had a friend who got every appliance in his dorm room died early (he had to replace light bulbs every other month) and it turned out the voltage is something like 150V.
Hi everyone, I've been going through this thread and I'm still confused about something. On Vizio's website, the specifications for the VP322 list the "supported TV formats" as 1080i and 720p. The specs for the 32" LCD (model VW32L) list the "supported TV formats" as 1080i, 720p, 720i, 480p, and 480i. Does anyone know exactly what they mean when they say "supported TV formats?" It seemed odd to me, because I know you can obviously watch SDTV with the VP322, so I don't understand what they're getting at. Sorry if this is a stupid question. Maybe I'm just nitpicking?
Hi everyone, I've been going through this thread and I'm still confused about something. On Vizio's website, the specifications for the VP322 list the "supported TV formats" as 1080i and 720p. The specs for the 32" LCD (model VW32L) list the "supported TV formats" as 1080i, 720p, 720i, 480p, and 480i. Does anyone know exactly what they mean when they say "supported TV formats?" It seemed odd to me, because I know you can obviously watch SDTV with the VP322, so I don't understand what they're getting at. Sorry if this is a stupid question. Maybe I'm just nitpicking?
That's pretty much the signal compatibility I would believe. SDTV is actually 480i, 480 lines interlaced.
One interesting thing is that this TV also supports 1080p, and very probably 576i and 576p. (576/PAL works on the VO22 to say the least)
bgrutter 10-13-08, 08:37 PM Valid question. I certainly do not know why they write it up like that. However, I have not had any problem with any source resolution (seems as pointless as listing Contrast Ratio). I have watched SD, and all forms of HD (OTA, Up-Scaled DVDs, PS3 games, etc). Hope that helps.
Pawlwawl06 10-15-08, 10:17 AM Ok here is a question. I registered just so I could ask.
I've been having an issue as of late on my VP322. On my xbox 360 in 1080i, I get vertical bars on the screen. They are only evident in darker areas of a picture. I don't have this problem in 720p. It's only with HDMI where I have this problem. I have tried two HDMI cables and they both produce the same results. Components are not a problem, except for the horizontal lines.
Any suggestions plz?
Pawlwawl06 10-15-08, 10:46 AM Ok so I've read through all this and now understand that the native resolution(720p) is best, forcing it through 1080i/p is a bad idea. Thanks boswd. I'm a HDnewb, please excuse meh.
Tom Monahan 10-19-08, 03:54 PM Hi guy's,
I would like to buy this set for my 15 year old nephew for Christmas. He lives in the L.A. area at sea level and I live in Montana at an elevation of 5,800 feet. He is coming to Montana for Christmas, poor kid, and I would like to buy the plasma here so he can open it on Christmas day. Also, it would allow me to properly calibrate it for him. Is there any concern in regards to shipping a plama set say via Fed Ex ground from my high elevation to sea level? If yes, should I get him the Vizio 32" LCD instead? He will be using the tv for PS3 video games/blu-ray movies, X-Box 360 games and watching broadcast sports. I would greatly appreciate any advice.:)
Thanks,
Tom
yo-mama 10-19-08, 05:53 PM Hey all, I just got this TV, I love it. I set up the HDMI using Tweak's calibration settings, seem great. Now, does anyone, by any chance, have settings for the RGB, cause I also use this as a computer monitor. Thanks for your help!
I have been running the Vizio as my monitor thru RGB with the settings at 1366 x 768 with great results for the last 3 months.
I noticed the price drop to $497:eek:.....I may have to pick up another for the bedroom ;)
mosul210 10-20-08, 10:13 AM I noticed the price drop to $497:eek:.....I may have to pick up another for the bedroom ;)
Indeed, I notice the VP422 is also down to $698. I am really considering it for my living room to replace my 26" HDTV. I am just afraid that if I buy now it will drop in price next month.
We finally got ours last night. This is technically our first HDTV, and I say technically because we exchanged a 26" RCA LCD that we'd had for about 3 weeks for this one, so we're still pretty new to the HD world. We hooked it up, and I changed all the settings to the ones recommended on Tweak TV. It looks okay... but I was hoping for some improvement over the picture quality of the RCA, and I can't say we got that. Some HD programs look great, but some look pretty pixelated during scene changes and fast motion. SD looks pretty terrible for the most part (lots of pixelation and ghosting/smearing). We have it connected via HDMI to our "Comcast DVR w/Tivo" box, which is a Motorola 3416. The box's resolution is set to 720p fixed. I have a few questions:
1. Does anyone have any experience with this particular cable box? I'm wondering if the problem might be the box instead of the TV.
2. Does anyone notice a difference in picture quality after the break-in period?
3. Has anyone found that they prefer different settings than the ones listed on Tweak TV? I tried some different things but nothing made any significant improvements.
Thanks everyone!
It does sound like compression from Comcast. You can try swapping out cablebox's and see if that helps.
Were you seein pixelation on your former set? If so I would say it's compression which can cause pixelation.
It does sound like compression from Comcast. You can try swapping out cablebox's and see if that helps.
Were you seein pixelation on your former set? If so I would say it's compression which can cause pixelation.
We did at first, but once I figured out how to calibrate the RCA properly, it helped tremendously. To me, it kind of seems like the picture is too sharp on the Vizio even with the sharpness at 0. Maybe I'm seeing more artifacts on the Vizio because it's bigger, but I didn't think the difference between a 26" and a 32" would be THAT noticeable. I'm going to mess around with the settings on the box later tonight, but I'm pretty sure all of the settings are correct. My partner doesn't seem to concerned about the quality, which is good since he bought the TV, but I feel like there HAS to be something I'm missing. Maybe I'm just experiencing separation anxiety due to the loss of my old CRT TV. :p Is it normal for the transition from a SDTV to a HDTV to be so difficult?
We did at first, but once I figured out how to calibrate the RCA properly, it helped tremendously. To me, it kind of seems like the picture is too sharp on the Vizio even with the sharpness at 0. Maybe I'm seeing more artifacts on the Vizio because it's bigger, but I didn't think the difference between a 26" and a 32" would be THAT noticeable. I'm going to mess around with the settings on the box later tonight, but I'm pretty sure all of the settings are correct. My partner doesn't seem to concerned about the quality, which is good since he bought the TV, but I feel like there HAS to be something I'm missing. Maybe I'm just experiencing separation anxiety due to the loss of my old CRT TV. :p Is it normal for the transition from a SDTV to a HDTV to be so difficult?
You went from a 26" "Square" TV to a 32" widescreen one, I don't think it's a very big improvement size-wise. I believe you are seeing more artifacts because you are seeing more pixels at the same time, and SDTVs tend to blur things out.
About Comcast I think you are looking for this thread. The pictures there pretty much tells everything.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271
We did at first, but once I figured out how to calibrate the RCA properly, it helped tremendously. To me, it kind of seems like the picture is too sharp on the Vizio even with the sharpness at 0. Maybe I'm seeing more artifacts on the Vizio because it's bigger, but I didn't think the difference between a 26" and a 32" would be THAT noticeable. I'm going to mess around with the settings on the box later tonight, but I'm pretty sure all of the settings are correct. My partner doesn't seem to concerned about the quality, which is good since he bought the TV, but I feel like there HAS to be something I'm missing. Maybe I'm just experiencing separation anxiety due to the loss of my old CRT TV. :p Is it normal for the transition from a SDTV to a HDTV to be so difficult?
I'm on Time Warner Cable but, when I see pixelation it is usually due to the broadcast signal. Usually it's a week signal coming into the house from the street. If you've had cable for more than 3 years, get the cable guys to replace the cable with a new one which will be a higher quality. A lot of times the cable company picks up local stations with an antenna and then sends it down the cable line. The weather can at times cause these pixelation problems (the local CBS station in the Charlotte NC area has had a bad case of this for the last week).
Most important: when you got the 1st HD TV, did you exhange your old cable box for an HD model?
I'm on Time Warner Cable but, when I see pixelation it is usually due to the broadcast signal. Usually it's a week signal coming into the house from the street. If you've had cable for more than 3 years, get the cable guys to replace the cable with a new one which will be a higher quality. A lot of times the cable company picks up local stations with an antenna and then sends it down the cable line. The weather can at times cause these pixelation problems (the local CBS station in the Charlotte NC area has had a bad case of this for the last week).
Most important: when you got the 1st HD TV, did you exhange your old cable box for an HD model?
Thanks! That's really good information. We live in an apartment, so we're pretty much stuck with what we have. I was watching TV last night, and it's not as bad as I thought. I guess I'm just resistant to even the smallest changes. It is better than the RCA. The colors are fuller, and it's nice to be able to actually see what's going on without sitting directly in front of the TV. Plus, we can actually use the Tivo remote to control the TV (we could nto find ANY code that would work with the RCA).
We've had an HD box all along, since they automatically give you one and include HD programming with the Tivo service, so that worked out nicely.
uncleguito 10-22-08, 12:11 AM I just picked one of these up from Walmart for $497- great deal so far. I upgraded from a Vizio VX32L, and I'm already noticing a huge increase in IQ. Not only that, but the image is sharper, black levels are much better, and the refresh rate is greater than pretty much every other TV I've seen for the money.
Before starting my break in procedure, I tried Fable 2 on my 360 for a few minutes. Looked awesome, but I already noticed some IR after sitting in the menus for a minute. I'm running Cartoon Network zoomed in all the way for break in, hopefully that helps.
And SD looks fantastic. Much better than my 37" 1080p Westinghouse and the VX32L. It's comparable to Samsung displays I've used.
Great purchase so far.
uncleguito 10-22-08, 10:37 AM What settings should I be using for my 360/PS3? Right now, the 360 is set to 1366x768 with expanded black levels, since that's what I had it on with my old LCD. The PS3 claims that the display can support 1080p, but I disabled that option and only confirmed 480p, 720p, 1080i.
What settings should I be using for my 360/PS3? Right now, the 360 is set to 1366x768 with expanded black levels, since that's what I had it on with my old LCD. The PS3 claims that the display can support 1080p, but I disabled that option and only confirmed 480p, 720p, 1080i.
Yes, the display can support 1080p, the scalar would just downscale it to its native resolution (1024x720).
I recommend even taking out 1080i. 720p Should give you the best picture. (Once again, since this TV has 720 lines)
walkoflea 10-22-08, 06:59 PM How do you get the DVD Burn In disk to cover the entire screen? Tried the different setting in the Menu - Normal, Wide screen and Panoramic and none of them cover the entire screen, all have some sort of black bars.
How do you get the DVD Burn In disk to cover the entire screen? Tried the different setting in the Menu - Normal, Wide screen and Panoramic and none of them cover the entire screen, all have some sort of black bars.
Read the manual, you can stretch the screen both vertically and horizontally
in the "H/V Position" section of the menu.
uncleguito 10-22-08, 08:43 PM How do you get the DVD Burn In disk to cover the entire screen? Tried the different setting in the Menu - Normal, Wide screen and Panoramic and none of them cover the entire screen, all have some sort of black bars.
You go to the last tab in the menu and look for something like V & H Positioning or something along those lines. You're going to want to increase the last two options to 100, which zooms the picture in all the way.
Of topic, but is your last name Walko? I know of a Walko that lives in Midland.
Anybody using this as their PC monitor?
What are your results:
Another question is Walmart's 2 year extended service plan ($59.88)
that's beyond the manufactures warranty a good deal? Sounds cheap price for peace of mind.
graystrickland 10-23-08, 03:59 PM Is there a way to RESIZE the MENU panel?
The menu covers a tiny portion of the screen. I have poor enough eyesight that I have to put on my glasses to use the menu. Since there's no "sleep" key on the remote, I have to page through the menu to activate the sleep timer. It would be nice to re-size the menu to cover most of the screen.
Is there a way to RESIZE the MENU panel?
The menu covers a tiny portion of the screen. I have poor enough eyesight that I have to put on my glasses to use the menu. Since there's no "sleep" key on the remote, I have to page through the menu to activate the sleep timer. It would be nice to re-size the menu to cover most of the screen.
no there is no way to resize the on screen display
larrimore 10-27-08, 11:03 AM I think of myself as somewhat of an informed consumer when it comes to flat panel displays. After all, I now own 6 of them (4 LCD, 2 PDP) throughout the house ( I am officially a non-CRT household) and I tend to do my homework here and on the web to get the best for my particular situation.
I can easily say that this 32" PDP is one of the biggest bang for the buck, most impressive and most noticed purchases I have made in this area. This small plasma is installed in a cabinet (why I needed this particular size) in my smallish family room. Seating is only about 7-9 feet away. When we moved here 2 years ago, I ran out to Costco and bought the first thing I cam accross that would fit which happened to be a Vizio LX32. We have been quite pleased with it, but I have never thought the performance was anything to write home about. Last month, my oldest daughter's Samsung CRT started acting up a bit and rather than repair it, I thought I'd look at replacing the Vizio and get something else. In the last week, I have tried a Toshiba 1080 set ($800 open box) a Samsung ($550 open box) and now this Plasma- due to the reviews here. I can say that this one is so pleasing to look at that even my family have noticed the difference and asked for it to stay. Unbelievable colors, contrast and really has that "window" look that the other Vizio lacks.
Thanks for all of the comments on this board. This is a very satisfying purchase, and the reason that AVS exists.
larrimore 10-29-08, 12:10 PM Well- based on all of the feedback here, I checked out the Insignia 32" PDP yesterday and ended up taking it home. The Vizio is going back today. Although the two look identical to me, there are several reasons that the Insignia is better:
1. More component inputs
2. Inputs are in the middle of the back while they are on the back side on the Vizio (My TV is on a Swivel and when you swing it around, the cables in the side inputs try to pull it back around)
3. Built in swivel stand (see above)
4. Better sound (in the room where I have it, there is no room for HT speakers)
5. More zoom/wide options (small TVs scream "no black bars"- I am a purist, but not on a 32" set)
6. More audio out options (I am able to run the variable audio to a sub which is at least a step above no HT system)
7. Better looking set (could easily pass for an LG)
The only downsides I have found are less pic adjustments (mine looked fine out of the box with a bit of tweaking) and the lack of the image cleaner, but I have a DVD for this purpose.
jf10928347 10-31-08, 04:35 PM This TV has video lag on AV, HDMI, and RGB inputs. It is worthless for gaming if you use any of those ports. It seems that component lags a little, too. I am extremely surprised that no one else has noticed this. It could just be my TV.
Also, I see the rainbow effect. Very obvious coloration around movement.
This thread is very misleading.
edited to add: Actually, it looks like 1920x1080 in RGB is barely laggy. There are several other resolutions that are also barely laggy. And as for the HDMI, I have only used HDMI so far with a dvi-d to hdmi cable, in 1280x720 (and various other lower resolutions), which could itself add lag. I have not yet tried HDMI as I do not have a regular HDMI cable.
This TV has video lag on AV, HDMI, and RGB inputs. It is worthless for gaming if you use any of those ports. It seems that component lags a little, too. I am extremely surprised that no one else has noticed this. It could just be my TV.
Also, I see the rainbow effect. Very obvious coloration around movement.
This thread is very misleading.
edited to add: Actually, it looks like 1920x1080 in RGB is barely laggy. There are several other resolutions that are also barely laggy. And as for the HDMI, I have only used HDMI so far with a dvi-d to hdmi cable, in 1280x720 (and various other lower resolutions), which could itself add lag. I have not yet tried HDMI as I do not have a regular HDMI cable.
First of all this is a 720P TV set, not a PC monitor.
For best results as a PC monitor set the resolution to a max of 1280 x 720. You problem with lag might be your CPU or Video card performance.
Still don't know whether to choose this set, the Insignia version of this set, or the Samsung 32" Series 3 set. Which one do you guys think I should choose?
walkoflea 11-02-08, 01:30 PM Vizio and Insigna are Plasmas while the Samsung is a LCD. My opinion is Plasmas are better for motion so if you are going to watch sports go with the Plasma. Only larrimore in post #1180 has seen both the Vizio and Insigna.
All I know is the for what I am watching the Vizio is great and was the cheaper of the two.
Vizio and Insigna are Plasmas while the Samsung is a LCD. My opinion is Plasmas are better for motion so if you are going to watch sports go with the Plasma. Only larrimore in post #1180 has seen both the Vizio and Insigna.
All I know is the for what I am watching the Vizio is great and was the cheaper of the two.
Well video gaming is something I'll be doing a lot so should that influence anything between LCD and Plasma?
Also, the Vizio is now at $477.
walkoflea 11-03-08, 06:24 AM You will need to investigate lag as reported in post #1181. I have zero experience myself with this TV in that area.
You will need to investigate lag as reported in post #1181. I have zero experience myself with this TV in that area.
Yeah I mean I've read all the messages in this topic and he's the only one. If I notice and lag I'll return it. I should be all set to pick this TV up this weekend if it stays at $477.
One last question, have anyone noticed or read about any complete failures? Such as not turning on, blowing a fuse, changing colors beyond fixing? Did anyone read any of these issues and when did they happen like before Vizio's warranty, before Walmarts, after Vizios?
cesslinger 11-03-08, 03:40 PM Wow, gaming lag is nonexistent on my set. I game like a maniac as well. RB2, Halo 3, Soul Calibur 4, racing games. None have ever given me a problem with lag from the tv. I don't know how many hours I have on the tv, but I bought it in June 08. This puppy gets better and better in regards to IR. I fell asleep playing an RPG and the box with text was etched in the screen when I turned it off and went to work. I came home and the IR washed away as soon as the xbox logo popped up and went to the dashboard. I am extremely pleased with this tv, and I paid $550.00 + tax; so if you can get this for $477.00, that is a steal.
Wow, gaming lag is nonexistent on my set. I game like a maniac as well. RB2, Halo 3, Soul Calibur 4, racing games. None have ever given me a problem with lag from the tv. I don't know how many hours I have on the tv, but I bought it in June 08. This puppy gets better and better in regards to IR. I fell asleep playing an RPG and the box with text was etched in the screen when I turned it off and went to work. I came home and the IR washed away as soon as the xbox logo popped up and went to the dashboard. I am extremely pleased with this tv, and I paid $550.00 + tax; so if you can get this for $477.00, that is a steal.
Thanks for the reply.
How long have you all had this TV, as in months? Has anyone noticed any complete failures and how did the return process go?
cesslinger 11-04-08, 10:58 AM I never have touched the component input. There are 3 freaking hdmi inputs to use instead.
Vizio VP322
Does anyone have a remote code for this set that works correctly with DirecTV. I'm using an HR20-100 receiver and have tried six codes. All codes will turn the set on and operate the volume, but none will control the Input or turn the set off.
Thanks.
Vizio VP322
Does anyone have a remote code for this set that works correctly with DirecTV. I'm using an HR20-100 receiver and have tried six codes. All codes will turn the set on and operate the volume, but none will control the Input or turn the set off.
Thanks.
Problem solved. FYI, if anyone else has this problem, I was using the Directv RC34 remote. A poster at DBS Talk suggested trying an RC64 remote. The RC64 does control the power on/off and input function using code 11758.
What is this RGB Gain Adjustment that the Vizio has but the Insignia does not? Whats the function?
Need help can't make up my mind Vizio VO32LFHDTV10A LCD 1080P at Sams for $577 or the VP322 from Walmart $477.
I want to use it as a monitor as well.
Thinking about a Vizio VP322 or a Sharp LC32SB23U at Walmart for my bedroom next saturday. I'm not a video aficionado so i dont need all the bells and whistles. I'll be running coax cable to it. Charter sends ABC,CBS,NBC,FOX & PBS in the clear so I can get those in HD. I'm not signing up for HD service so a lot of what i watch will be in SD too
I want to buy a PS3 two weeks after I buy the tv. I'll be watching movies and also playing games on it. I think my biggest fear is the IR and Burn in. Scared my 6 yo will get in there while i'm in another room or me falling asleep the most likely thing to happen.
If i went with the Vizio i would probably let the current dvd player i have run during the day while im at work and come home and check on it during my lunch to speed up the break in.
My bedroom has no windows so it's just as dark during the day as it is at night:) i do like movies and football and want to just lie in the bed and watch movies. I do plan on getting Planet Earth, Iron Man,Hulk and Dark Knight on bluray to own and will probably do a lot of renting
Had thought about using it as a monitor also for some flight simming but I think with plasma that wouldnt be a good idea.
I'm leaning toward the plasma but not too thrilled with having to break it in and potential burn in.
Ok guys talk me into one or the other (funds are limited so lets keep it simple)
Thanks
Get the Plasma, if you're in the dark you'll love it. Just read a few pages and you'll see why everyone loves this set.
walkoflea 11-09-08, 01:17 PM Thinking about a Vizio VP322 or a Sharp LC32SB23U at Walmart for my bedroom next saturday. I'm not a video aficionado so i dont need all the bells and whistles. I'll be running coax cable to it. Charter sends ABC,CBS,NBC,FOX & PBS in the clear so I can get those in HD. I'm not signing up for HD service so a lot of what i watch will be in SD too
I want to buy a PS3 two weeks after I buy the tv. I'll be watching movies and also playing games on it. I think my biggest fear is the IR and Burn in. Scared my 6 yo will get in there while i'm in another room or me falling asleep the most likely thing to happen.
If i went with the Vizio i would probably let the current dvd player i have run during the day while im at work and come home and check on it during my lunch to speed up the break in.
My bedroom has no windows so it's just as dark during the day as it is at night:) i do like movies and football and want to just lie in the bed and watch movies. I do plan on getting Planet Earth, Iron Man,Hulk and Dark Knight on bluray to own and will probably do a lot of renting
Had thought about using it as a monitor also for some flight simming but I think with plasma that wouldnt be a good idea.
I'm leaning toward the plasma but not too thrilled with having to break it in and potential burn in.
Ok guys talk me into one or the other (funds are limited so lets keep it simple)
Thanks
Get the Vizio, my set up is just like yours with Charter and for football this set is great.
mahlerfan999 11-09-08, 02:37 PM Well after seeing some reviews and the very enthusiastic posts on this thread I tried it... and returned it.
Pros:
Vivid colors
Great scaler
Forgiving of sd content
Image cleaner works well and works in seconds
Cons:
Gray scale is messed up, no matter what you set it the picture is much warmer than it should be
Image retention is very bad
Resolution not good enough i.e. screen door effect (even for that small size, and the 42 inch they had in the store looked unwatchable the pixels were so large!!)
Very, very poor black levels, i.e. the blacks are grey
Very slow on hdmi handshakes
Very reflective
It's black levels are so bad that black=grey in a dark room. Turn the lights on and stare at your own reflection. You just can't win. In terms of picture quality-- color saturation, contrast, and resolution the lcds at that same price point outperform this plasma tv. Of course then you're looking at 26 inch tvs and not 32 inch. Also when I had an inexpensive 26 inch lcd, it didn't have any hdmi handshake issues.
It seems like this tv exists only to prove that blanket statements to the effect of "plasmas >> lcds" and "worst plasma is better than the best lcd" is completely and absurdly wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Thank you, plasma fanboys you can shut up now. Plasmas might have broken the $1000 barrier but quality plasmas have not.
If you want a plasma, save up for a panasonic and don't buy this crap.
Well after seeing some reviews and the very enthusiastic posts on this thread I tried it... and returned it.
Pros:
Vivid colors
Great scaler
Forgiving of sd content
Image cleaner works well and works in seconds
Cons:
Gray scale is messed up, no matter what you set it the picture is much warmer than it should be
Image retention is very bad
Resolution not good enough i.e. screen door effect (even for that small size, and the 42 inch they had in the store looked unwatchable the pixels were so large!!)
Very, very poor black levels, i.e. the blacks are grey
Very slow on hdmi handshakes
Very reflective
It's black levels are so bad that black=grey in a dark room. Turn the lights on and stare at your own reflection. You just can't win. In terms of picture quality-- color saturation, contrast, and resolution the lcds at that same price point outperform this plasma tv. Of course then you're looking at 26 inch tvs and not 32 inch. Also when I had an inexpensive 26 inch lcd, it didn't have any hdmi handshake issues.
It seems like this tv exists only to prove that blanket statements to the effect of "plasmas >> lcds" and "worst plasma is better than the best lcd" is completely and absurdly wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Thank you, plasma fanboys you can shut up now. Plasmas might have broken the $1000 barrier but quality plasmas have not.
If you want a plasma, save up for a panasonic and don't buy this crap.
Well after reading both forums I almost was going to go with the Insignia. Until I came across this deal.
TH42PZ80U 42" Panny 1080P Plasma plus a Panasonic DMPBD35 Blu Ray Player for under $1000 Shipping & Tax free. I have dealt with Vanns before they are excellent.
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/463030618/panasonic-th-42pz80u?s_c=site_search
If I added tax to the Insignia it would be $600+ and Blue Ray player for $250 thats $850 for a 32" bottom of the line.
Add $100 more to get a Panny 42" 1080P Plasma is a no Brainer for me. BB selling it for $1299.99 (Ho Ho Ho)
Well after seeing some reviews and the very enthusiastic posts on this thread I tried it... and returned it.
Pros:
Vivid colors
Great scaler
Forgiving of sd content
Image cleaner works well and works in seconds
Cons:
Gray scale is messed up, no matter what you set it the picture is much warmer than it should be
Image retention is very bad
Resolution not good enough i.e. screen door effect (even for that small size, and the 42 inch they had in the store looked unwatchable the pixels were so large!!)
Very, very poor black levels, i.e. the blacks are grey
Very slow on hdmi handshakes
Very reflective
It's black levels are so bad that black=grey in a dark room. Turn the lights on and stare at your own reflection. You just can't win. In terms of picture quality-- color saturation, contrast, and resolution the lcds at that same price point outperform this plasma tv. Of course then you're looking at 26 inch tvs and not 32 inch. Also when I had an inexpensive 26 inch lcd, it didn't have any hdmi handshake issues.
It seems like this tv exists only to prove that blanket statements to the effect of "plasmas >> lcds" and "worst plasma is better than the best lcd" is completely and absurdly wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Thank you, plasma fanboys you can shut up now. Plasmas might have broken the $1000 barrier but quality plasmas have not.
If you want a plasma, save up for a panasonic and don't buy this crap.
I'll give you grey scale and not quite as good blacks as a Panasonic plasma
and the higher end LCD's. However with the ample color adjustments in the menu I was able to somewhat compensate for the too warm color problem. I would say for $477 for a bedroom set this one is hard to beat, especially if you watch much SD programming.
With that said I do watch this set in low or no light. Many people have also reported that IR becomes much less noticable after a good break in period.
larrimore 11-11-08, 02:34 PM Vizio and Insigna are Plasmas while the Samsung is a LCD. My opinion is Plasmas are better for motion so if you are going to watch sports go with the Plasma. Only larrimore in post #1180 has seen both the Vizio and Insigna.
All I know is the for what I am watching the Vizio is great and was the cheaper of the two.
They are identical in daily use to me and I had both on side by side. I love the Insignia due to what I stated above, but I could live with the Vizio. I am just happy to have had a plasma choice in this size.
walkoflea 11-12-08, 06:37 AM They are identical in daily use to me and I had both on side by side. I love the Insignia due to what I stated above, but I could live with the Vizio. I am just happy to have had a plasma choice in this size.
Same here, the small size in Plasma is nice. I may have to check out the Insignia at BB as I may be in the market for an additional 32".
Eckerman 11-12-08, 08:20 PM Just walked by a bunch of Vizio VW32Ls that were on sale for $450 down from $600+ at Costco. Check it out.
Jibbajaba 11-13-08, 02:39 PM Well after seeing some reviews and the very enthusiastic posts on this thread I tried it... and returned it.
Pros:
Vivid colors
Great scaler
Forgiving of sd content
Image cleaner works well and works in seconds
Cons:
Gray scale is messed up, no matter what you set it the picture is much warmer than it should be
Image retention is very bad
Resolution not good enough i.e. screen door effect (even for that small size, and the 42 inch they had in the store looked unwatchable the pixels were so large!!)
Very, very poor black levels, i.e. the blacks are grey
Very slow on hdmi handshakes
Very reflective
It's black levels are so bad that black=grey in a dark room. Turn the lights on and stare at your own reflection. You just can't win. In terms of picture quality-- color saturation, contrast, and resolution the lcds at that same price point outperform this plasma tv. Of course then you're looking at 26 inch tvs and not 32 inch. Also when I had an inexpensive 26 inch lcd, it didn't have any hdmi handshake issues.
It seems like this tv exists only to prove that blanket statements to the effect of "plasmas >> lcds" and "worst plasma is better than the best lcd" is completely and absurdly wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Thank you, plasma fanboys you can shut up now. Plasmas might have broken the $1000 barrier but quality plasmas have not.
If you want a plasma, save up for a panasonic and don't buy this crap.
I bought the VP322 last night at Costco for only $429. I was looking to replace the Sony GDM-FW900 (widescreen CRT computer monitor) than I had been using in my hobby room as an HDTV and gaming display for VGA-compatible consoles. I hooked this TV up last night and I was horrified.
Everything this guy mahlerfan999 said is spot on. I didn't think the gray scale deal was the big problem, but the screen door effect is horrible, the images look grainy (especially OTA HDTV, which looks awesome on my CRT sets), and the colors look washed out. And the image retention is horrible. If a menu was displaye don the screen for even a few seconds, the ghost of the menu would stay on the screen for a few minutes afterwards.
Perhaps I am just used to CRTs, but after playing with this set I am going to hold on my my tube TVs for dear life. My wife doesn't give a rats behind about this kind of thing, and even she thought that the image looked crappyon this deal, as she is used to watching TV on my older 34" Panny 480p/1080i widescreen CRT.
This is my first attempt at buying a flatscreen TV, and it may be my last until I have no choice. I figured that $429 for a brand new plasma screen was too good to be true, and apparently it was. I am driving the TV back to Costco today to get my money back.
I know I shouldn't use this set to judge flatscreens as a whole, as I have seen some really awesome flatscreens. The price may have dropped considerably on these TVs in recent years, but it is blatantly obvious that if you really want a good picture, you are going to have to be willing to pay for it. I will just sit back and happily snap up the ridiculously cheap CRT HDTVs that show up on Craigslist from people foolish enough to ditch them for pieces of crap like this.
Chris
ThatGuyWatchinTV 11-13-08, 05:38 PM OK.
I found this site about 2 days ago when googling the Vizio 32 inch plasma.
I have read through this entire thread.
I am pretty torn on this TV.
It's like I want to like it, but some of the drawbacks are a little ill, and it sounds like this company has some serious quality control issues.
Everyone has conflicting reports and opinions on the color and contrast, grey scale, etc.
IR is obviously a major issue with this TV as well.
I am a noob to all this plasma vs. LCD stuff, and a lot of the intangibles with each, but I think that I have a pretty good grasp on it.
So, I understand that IR is different than burn in, but, wouldn't a TV that gets IR extremely easily that is prevelant, have a greater risk for early burn in? I mean wouldn't that show that the gases being used are unstable and highly sensitive, meaning that burn in would be all the more likely earlier if at all, as well as uneven wear?
Also, I watch a lot of sports.
Most of the telivision I watch literally comes down to the NBA, the NFL and some MLB, Adult Swim, a lot of Nat Geo, Discovery, etc. and a decent amount of movies.
I have a PS2, but I am not a hardcore gamer, and only really play maybe once a week for a few hours.
I do watch a decent amount of movies, but I really don't have a large DVD collection at all, maybe literally 30 total. I have pretty much every pay channel on digital cable, Comcast, that is where I get my movies.
I mean a question I have is one I have heard answered, but.....
Will an LCD such as a Samsung 32a450 really have a lot of blurring during fast moving sports and action scenes?
If so will it be dramatic?
My friend has a Westinghouse 32 LCD hooked up to digital cable and it does get some of this, but then again it is about 2 years old and has 8ms response time.
Also it's a Westinghouse, which although I have heard are very nice for the money can't really be compared to the 32a450, can it?
Then again he had one before that(same TV) that got whatever you would call burn in on an LCD, which leads me to believe LCD guys ignore this can happen, although I do know it is a lot harder.
Bottom line I am not really scared of Burn in, but the IR might be excessively annoying if it is always very bad.
Can anyone, such as Sofo that has had this TV for a legitimate amount of time(it seems he has had his since May) please respond to this post as well and give a detailed and honest reply?
I would appreciate it.
This is the thing, this TV will be my Xmas gift and the 2 people chipping in on it for me have about a $500 budget max, and I want a 32, so my options are limited. I understand that it is a bargain price plasma and the 1st of its kind, so I don't expect it to be on par with very expensive plasmas or LCDs, but I also don't want a piece of crap that is going to drive me nuts.
Bottom line, I think I am going to get this one form Costco if their return policy is good, and if I don't like it so much, I will rock it to the wheels fall off till about a week until the return period is up, and then return it and put my own money in and get a Sammy LCD or a LG or Panny plasma that is on sale (42 inch), but I would still want to know if it is truly even worth it to try in everyone's humble and honset opinions.
The last thing is this. I own sort of a cult car, you know, fun to drive, nice interior, looks good, but, it is expensive to repair and a lot of the normal maintenance stuff goes wrong early and often. I knew this going into it when I bought it(and the other one I had before it), but it didn't stop me.
After reading this thread, I kinda get that same feeling about this set.
Am I point with that analagy?
I suggested this set to my parents (upgrading from a 25" CRT) and IMO, it looks great. They have some TV over IP type service that runs through their phone line. No HD. Even with that crappy service, I was impressed with the picture. I noticed NO IR at all. I know for a fact they did no burn in and my pops watches CNN/HLN a lot.
soloist3 11-14-08, 04:19 AM Having owned the VP322 and still currently own the VP422 I cannot believe the difference in picture quality; the VP322 is AWFUL in comparison to the VP422. I guess they should have stuck with an 848x480 panel to reduce the minimum idling luminance and give a brighter picture. When tinted, the VP422 looks better than my 8G Pioneer and is actually brighter than the 8G Pioneer as well, whereas the VP322 looks like the old 3rd/4th gen Pioneers with blacks that even when tinted still look bad, also, the brightness of the panel is already 500cd/m2 less than the VP422, so it does not have any "punch" to it. It looks like an old 70's worn out CRT.
feisty1 11-14-08, 10:48 AM I have the lowest end Sony 32" LCD. Picture is good! Have I noticed blurring? Yes-in the tennis open finals held in NY during September. Very noticeable with regard to serves! But then again the ball is moving between 100 to 150 MPH! Other than that, it has not bothered me. You belong to COSTCO, obviously. I just noticed today on their website that they are offering a 32" Sharp LCD for $500. I talked to COSTCO at one point and they indicated that they have discontinued carrying the 32" Plasma from VIZIO, although I have seen others comment that they may still have overstock on this item.
I have asked this question on the Insignia thread, but got no response, so I am going to "crash" this thread and see if anyone here has an answer to my question.
I have the 32" Insignia plasma and one of the screen size modes is "auto". Nowhere in the owners manual does it mention this screen mode. Does anyone out there know what this is and what it does?
Thanks,
Mike
Chief Ediri 11-14-08, 04:30 PM I just bought the Vizio VP332 yesterday and I was looking for some good service menu settings. Can anyone help me on this? Plus is their any way to take off the grainy look of the picture?
Jibbajaba 11-15-08, 12:26 AM Plus is their any way to take off the grainy look of the picture?
Yup. Return it.
Buckeye911 11-15-08, 03:00 AM I just bought the Vizio VP332 yesterday and I was looking for some good service menu settings. Can anyone help me on this? Plus is their any way to take off the grainy look of the picture?
I don't have this TV but reducing sharpness usually reduces graininess.
Chief Ediri 11-15-08, 04:23 AM Why return?
mosul210 11-16-08, 12:42 AM I just bought the Vizio VP332 yesterday and I was looking for some good service menu settings. Can anyone help me on this? Plus is their any way to take off the grainy look of the picture?
Congratulations on your new purchase. I've owned my VP332 for 2 1/2 months now and I am extremely happy with it. The picture quality rivals my other plasma, Panasonic Viera. Without a doubt one of the best purchases I have ever made. Make sure you properly break in your plasma, I highly recommend utilizing a break-in disc. Also below are some suggested calibration settings I am using on my own set.
http://www.tweaktv.com/tweak-my-tv/calibration-guide/vizio-vp322.html
Chief Ediri 11-16-08, 05:48 AM Congratulations on your new purchase. I've owned my VP332 for 2 1/2 months now and I am extremely happy with it. The picture quality rivals my other plasma, Panasonic Viera. Without a doubt one of the best purchases I have ever made. Make sure you properly break in your plasma, I highly recommend utilizing a break-in disc. Also below are some suggested calibration settings I am using on my own set.
http://www.tweaktv.com/tweak-my-tv/calibration-guide/vizio-vp322.html
Thank you very much. Where can I find a break in DVD or are there break in videos online that I can download to a USB drive to play from theref?
Okay I just picked it up.
Pros:
Eye-popping color.
SD quality
Menu's
Image Cleaner
Very little IR
Screendoor effect not as prevalent as others say.
Cons:
Blacks are weak
Chief Ediri 11-16-08, 10:18 PM Okay I just picked it up.
Pros:
Eye-popping color.
SD quality
Menu's
Image Cleaner
Very little IR
Screendoor effect not as prevalent as others say.
Cons:
Blacks are weak
This.
Blacks could really be a lot better than I expected. This is my first Plasma, and they have be touted to have black levels equal to CRT. I don't know if that is how it is for all Plasmas, or it is just because its a Vizio plasma.
The blacks are OK, but not what I expected. Not the grey like other have been talking about.
chicagoster 11-18-08, 05:44 PM anyone get into the service menu yet?
bump...anyone?
damba98 11-20-08, 12:33 PM That's one of the drawbacks of shopping by price and not by quality. All plasmas do *not* have black levels comparable to CRTs. However the more expensive name brand HDTVs generally have better black level performance than Vizio. This is well covered on this forum and elsewhere if you do a little reading (searching won't help per se).
-Pedro
This.
Blacks could really be a lot better than I expected. This is my first Plasma, and they have be touted to have black levels equal to CRT. I don't know if that is how it is for all Plasmas, or it is just because its a Vizio plasma.
The blacks are OK, but not what I expected. Not the grey like other have been talking about.
EscapeVelocity 11-20-08, 12:48 PM What are the differences between this set and the Insignia? Thanks.
drum714 11-20-08, 03:18 PM I've been rockin this set since mid June and am still very pleased.
IR was a big concern of mine when I bought this set. I watch mostly movies and sports, and though there is a deffinitly IR after watching a 2:35:1 movie, it quickly wipes after a couple minutes of full screen content. I consider this to be a non-issue with this set any more.
IR can happen rather quickly if you have a dark screen and pop open the OSD.
As for picture quality, for $500 you're not going to find better. When I got this set I was on a $700 budget and wanting a 32"-37" screen. I found this set for $550 at walmart ad thought it was a steal for that price, not to mention 10% off for a family discount.
There is no screen lag that I can see an zero artifacts durring fast sceens. I'm a huge fan of the "Bourne" movies and with this set I can very clearly see every last detail durring the fight scene in in the kitchen in the second movie, desite how shakey the camera shot is.
This set does have a very warm picture, but I think as the set has aged, it has setteled into a respectible warmpth. I currently run picture settings on cool, Brightness at 42, contrast at 45 color at 48, sharpness at 1 yadda yadda yadda and am very pleased.
Blacks do have a slightly grey hue to them, but it is still way better than any other set under $800.
Bottom line, after almost 6 months of use on this set, I find it hard to complain with its performance. IR is a non-issue with zero burn in, no lag or artifacts durring fast sceens/sports, colors are respectable and blacks are far better than any other set in this catagory. Are there better sets out there, absolutly, but you won't touch any of them for under $800, and for the current price tag of $457 on this set I don't think you can go wrong.
Mike_Ptld 11-22-08, 01:51 PM Well, we've owned this set for almost 2 months now, bedroom set, like many. Thought maybe we'd avoid the break-in period, as we purchased the C*stco "last one" available at a great deal, and they had it on the shelf for about 6 weeks, running 8-10 hrs/day, using only the Panasonic (ironic, I know) HD demo disk in-store (all HD, all widescreen, no logos, no tickers, etc.).
Brought it home and, since day 1 (which was really about day "6-10 weeks" for the tv having already been broken in), IR has been more noticeable than I've ever seen before. We can even see the "HDMI" from the tv simply being turned on for 3 secs lingering behind. We only use the tv for maybe an hour in the morning (always fullscreen hd material, news) and same before bed.
Screen Cleaner works ok, but not completely - manual says it's supposed to auto-turn off after approx 1 hr, but it doesn't. Stayed on for over 5 hrs once when I tried it. I suppose I could try the sleep function with Screen Cleaner.
I have to admit, I barely notice the IR when watching the tv, but am concerned about IR becoming burn-in (for the hour or so I may have CNBC ticker on, etc). I've never had even a moments problem with my Panny 50" 500U, with IR or burn-in, in the 3 years I've had that one.
Not sure what I'll do, since I'm within the 90-day return period still and am contemplating exchanging for an LCD. Just sharing, since I had the somewhat rare opportunity to purchase an "already broken-in" version.
mcaccamise 11-24-08, 10:48 AM Mine looks great and sounds fairly good also im hooked up to a good sound system and it makes a good movie player for the price.
Chief Ediri 11-24-08, 03:39 PM How do you get over the air HD channels on this TV?
Can I just use a coaxial cable and connect it to a wall socket?
How do you get over the air HD channels on this TV?
Can I just use a coaxial cable and connect it to a wall socket?
Yes.
Pawlwawl06 11-25-08, 08:52 AM wow, gaming lag is nonexistent on my set. I game like a maniac as well. Rb2, halo 3, soul calibur 4, racing games. None have ever given me a problem with lag from the tv. I don't know how many hours i have on the tv, but i bought it in june 08. This puppy gets better and better in regards to ir. I fell asleep playing an rpg and the box with text was etched in the screen when i turned it off and went to work. I came home and the ir washed away as soon as the xbox logo popped up and went to the dashboard. I am extremely pleased with this tv, and i paid $550.00 + tax; so if you can get this for $477.00, that is a steal.
+1000
partsman_ba 11-25-08, 04:31 PM How do you get over the air HD channels on this TV?
Can I just use a coaxial cable and connect it to a wall socket?
Yes.
I'm thinking that connecting to an antenna would be more appropriate to get OTA HD (unless that's what your wall socket is connected to?)
mcaccamise 11-27-08, 11:08 AM Vizio is a tier three product company that uses many different internal parts to manufacture its plazma tv this could be good price wise but not so good if you have a problem? ive purchased one for a replacement tv until my Samsung DLP is repaired and then it goes into the bedroom.
It has been a good replacement so far with little complaints,burn in is a problem and sound isent great unless you are using a surround backup im happy with the price at Walmart $479.00 so far so good.
rimshaker 11-28-08, 11:43 PM $437 now at Walmart... unbelievable bargain for a small plasma unit.
CentralKY05 11-30-08, 12:56 PM I saw this set in WM last night and it appears that large block lettering on the screen is "jaggy" and not smooth. Is this because that the pixels are an irregular shape at this size?
karmaghost 12-03-08, 06:15 PM Picked one of these up (VP322HDTV10A) the other day and have been playing around with it since. The recent price drop to $437 at Wal-Mart was what pushed me over the edge. In just a few days, this is what I've noticed so far:
+ after some calibration, the colors are quite good; this is something I would expect from a plasma, but not necessarily such an inexpensive one
+ I'm quite amazed at how sharp it is, specifically while playing my X360 (via HDMI @720p); in regards to the image's sharpness, it's hard for me to tell the difference between this set and my year old Sharp Aquos 46" D64U LCD when sitting at the proper viewing distance for both sets
+ my Sharp has a response time of 4ms/6ms (depending on settings) and this Vizio is stated as 5ms; the Vizio seems to actually be a bit faster than my Sharp, but this could just be me imagining it... at the least, it is on par with the Aquos {update} the actual response time for the Vizio is stated as .0001ms; the 5ms comes from a search result/preview page on Wal-Mart's website that is apparently incorrect
+ after reading comments, I was weary of IR and burn in, especially since I bought this to be a secondary gaming set for shorter periods of play time; while I have noticed some IR, it has only been when I've gone from a situation where the HUD has been present on the screen for a while to a completely blank screen... i haven't been able to do much testing with IR, however, as I haven't played any dark games or watched any dark movies
- as some people have mentioned, the black levels are not really up to snuff, or at least, are not necessarily what you would expect from a decent plasma; However, I would not say that these black levels are terrible, as they seem to be on par with mid-ranged LCD sets
- the speakers are, bar none, the worst i have ever heard from a new TV set of any kind; if you plan to use this TV for anything more than casual TV or movie watching, you absolutely must get a stereo/surround system hooked up to this set
- being an LCD guy for over a year, I'm still getting used to the glossy screen that this Vizio and many other plasmas of all kinds have; it can be very distracting if you have lights on behind you and you're watching a darker image
I will say that it would seem that some people are having bad experiences with this set and others are having a good experiences. I think this is probably due to several different factors such as experience with HDTVs, expectations (of image and hardware quality), personal standards, and just plain old luck. Since Vizio gathers parts from other manufacturers and puts them together, I wonder if some of the sets are experiencing quality control issues and this is why some people are getting "lemons." My experience so far is that this set is definitely worth the price that I found it at. I wouldn't risk it if it were $500+, but at most retailers that shouldn't be a problem.
That's all I can think of for now. I'll update this post with some more thoughts if I think of/come across any. Also, if anybody has any questions, I'll try to answer them as best I can in a timely manner.
[EDIT 1]
I was just taking a look at both the Vizio and Sharp while they were both off and the Vizio's screen is definitely not totally black, or at least, it's not as black as the Sharp's screen. It's got a sort of charcoal-like tinge to it, which may be part of the reason why it's black levels aren't so hot. I dunno, just a thought.
[EDIT 2]
Updated my statement on response time. Thanks Albo23.
Good review karmaghost. By the way, plasma have virtually no response, including this Vizio. Where did you get the 5ms from? It more like .0001ms I believe.
yeah nice post, one alternative I would add about the speaker quality is If you don't have any interest or the room to hook up a surround sound system you can hook up a decent pair of multimedia/computer speakers up via RCA jack or the headphone jack. You can get a good set for a pretty decent prices under $40
Chief Ediri 12-03-08, 11:43 PM Good review karmaghost. By the way, plasma have virtually no response, including this Vizio. Where did you get the 5ms from? It more like .0001ms I believe.
Walmart.
pannyplas 12-04-08, 08:11 AM Well, we've owned this set for almost 2 months now, bedroom set, like many. Thought maybe we'd avoid the break-in period, as we purchased the C*stco "last one" available at a great deal, and they had it on the shelf for about 6 weeks, running 8-10 hrs/day, using only the Panasonic (ironic, I know) HD demo disk in-store (all HD, all widescreen, no logos, no tickers, etc.).
Brought it home and, since day 1 (which was really about day "6-10 weeks" for the tv having already been broken in), IR has been more noticeable than I've ever seen before. We can even see the "HDMI" from the tv simply being turned on for 3 secs lingering behind. We only use the tv for maybe an hour in the morning (always fullscreen hd material, news) and same before bed.
Screen Cleaner works ok, but not completely - manual says it's supposed to auto-turn off after approx 1 hr, but it doesn't. Stayed on for over 5 hrs once when I tried it. I suppose I could try the sleep function with Screen Cleaner.
I have to admit, I barely notice the IR when watching the tv, but am concerned about IR becoming burn-in (for the hour or so I may have CNBC ticker on, etc). I've never had even a moments problem with my Panny 50" 500U, with IR or burn-in, in the 3 years I've had that one.
Not sure what I'll do, since I'm within the 90-day return period still and am contemplating exchanging for an LCD. Just sharing, since I had the somewhat rare opportunity to purchase an "already broken-in" version.
From what I've seen and read, burn-in is almost non-existent with this tv as with most newer plasmas. IR is a different story, but it goes away.
Unless I missed it, no one has meter-calibrated this display, have they? DVE/avia is all there is?
ty
karmaghost 12-04-08, 11:51 AM Good review karmaghost. By the way, plasma have virtually no response, including this Vizio. Where did you get the 5ms from? It more like .0001ms I believe.You're totally right. The the Wal-Mart preview page (before you click through) lists it as 5ms, but when you get the more detailed information, the 5ms is nowhere to be found and is replaced by the .0001ms time. This makes more sense to me. Thanks for the heads up.
yeah nice post, one alternative I would add about the speaker quality is If you don't have any interest or the room to hook up a surround sound system you can hook up a decent pair of multimedia/computer speakers up via RCA jack or the headphone jack. You can get a good set for a pretty decent prices under $40That's a good alternative and is actually how I have mine setup at the moment. Also, a full surround setup wouldn't be necessary either. You can find lots of stereo (i.e. 2.1) solutions that don't take up much space but have pretty good sound quality. And if you already have a pair of headphones that you like with a longer wire and a typical stereo (1/8" i think) jack on the end, you can grab a cheap RCA to 1/8" adapter from a place like Radioshack. Just to make it clear, though, for anybody's that may be wondering, this TV does not have a 1/8" audio-out jack, so "typical" headphones that you may use for, say, an MP3 player won't work on this TV without some sort of adapter.
litwick87 12-04-08, 07:00 PM so anyone have service menu settings yet?
Well after 2-2.5 months of using our set, we may be returning it. I may end up going to LCD as it seems that I'm getting a lot more IR than we ever have before. We watched Forgetting Sarah Marshall on the PS3 the other night and from the few different times I had the main menu open it left IR for a few hours after. If I turn my PS3 on for 5-10 minutes playing though the menus before I pick something off my media server, I have the lasting IR from the PS3 for 1-2 hours of TV.
Now granted, I've had no burn in but the IR is getting awfully annoying. I hate to go LCD, but I think we may end up having to.
Shawn
TomGreen321 12-09-08, 09:59 AM There is really no reason to buy this set anymore, unless of course your budget completely blows. For 6-700 hundred you can have a 42" panasonic or samsung plasma, 900 can now get you a 720p 50" set. Top level brand LCD's in the 32" range are the same price, with 37-42" sets going for 6-700.
The reason we bought ours was size and quality. Of all the 32" sized TV's we looked at we were most impressed with the picture on this set. In the black Friday ads for best buy there was a 32" LG 1080P LCD TV. Looked like a pretty nice set, and I'm kinda wishing I picked it up and returned this set instead now since I can't seem to find this set in stores anymore.
Shawn
Chief Ediri 12-09-08, 04:58 PM Why is there no reason? Who says that everything you have has to be the best?
nycfonephreak 12-10-08, 10:56 AM Sorry, but, I just dont' know where else to ask about this. I have a 32" Vizio Plasma on the way and it's weight is just under 40lbs.
My current TV wall unit is such that the only place the Vizio will fit is on the top of the unit. On this unit, the top piece does not sit on top of the vertical side walls but rests between them, held in place by four 1-3/4" screws (one in each corner). I'm concerned that this might not be strong enough to hold 40lbs.
The unit is a Gusdorf #4450. It's about 15 years old and I cannot find Gusdorf on the internet - probably out of business. While it seems very solid, there's no weight load listed in the documentation that I have (all I have is the assembly instructions). Any opinions on whether or not this will support 40lbs or what, if anything, I can do to augment its support?
EDIT: upon further examination, I see that while all 3 lateral shelves are attached in the same manner (with four 1-3/4" screws attaching them to the two outer walls) there is vertical support towards the center (vertical wall between the top and the middle shelf & vertical wall between the middle shelf and bottom). So, this may not be as bad as I thought, provided the outer walls don't separate from any of the lateral shelves.
The link below is a scanned image of the wall unit's construction diagram. Sill interested in opinions whether or not this looks like it will support the 40lb weight.
http://www.pbase.com/nycfonephreak/image/106909539
mosul210 12-15-08, 08:18 AM One thing I would like to address is the sound. I've read some people bash the audio of this set, and I am baffled. I find the audio more than adequate; The audio range is fine, not too loud on its lowest setting and plenty loud if I decide to increase the volume.
Maybe it is the size of the room, or the viewing distance that is a factor here. I personally view the set at a distance of about 6'-7' and the room is about 14' X 14'. Feel free to add any comments you may have.
scottw383 12-15-08, 12:58 PM It's not the volume ("quantity") of the sound that is lacking, it's the quality. To me, the speakers in this set are very tinny and boxy sounding with almost no lows. In my opinion the sound isn't good enough to be used as a primary TV, but it's (barely) adequate for a second set in a bedroom (which is where mine is).
The sound quality is much worse than the 32" Sony Bravia that we have as our primary TV, and it is also noticeably worse than the Insignia 32" plasma that we briefly had.
pannyplas 12-17-08, 07:22 PM There is really no reason to buy this set anymore, unless of course your budget completely blows. For 6-700 hundred you can have a 42" panasonic or samsung plasma, 900 can now get you a 720p 50" set. Top level brand LCD's in the 32" range are the same price, with 37-42" sets going for 6-700.
What do you mean there is really no reason to buy this anymore? I can think of a ton of reasons. First of all saving $200-$300 may not seem like a lot to you, but it is a huge deal to some people. Also at $437, it blows most LCDs in this price range out of the water.
What do you mean there is really no reason to buy this anymore? I can think of a ton of reasons. First of all saving $200-$300 may not seem like a lot to you, but it is a huge deal to some people. Also at $437, it blows most LCDs in this price range out of the water.
pannyplas,
I'll have to agree with you. I have just purchased this set for a kids media room. I feel more comfortable with my kids having access to a 437.00 TV vs. a 700-1000 dollar TV plus I could justify a 437.00 dollar TV for the kids room where I really could not justify more than that for the kids TV. I think this TV will have a great bang for the buck benefit.
I think there are a lot of reasons to purchase this TV. I'm looking forward to getting this TV set up, mounted and being enjoyed by the kids for Christmas.
Regards,
RTROSE
slyguy10 12-19-08, 01:01 AM Just picked this set up today, out of the box the PQ is very good. I did notice
some IR (used the image cleaner and it was gone) I am going to check out
some of the setting from this thread. This set is in my bedroom so it's only
going
to be used for TV/Movies and maybe just to check out how it plays video
games. I think for the price you can't beat it. I will report back when i have
more time with the set
Just bought this TV today, what are the settings people are using?
Chief Ediri 12-20-08, 12:47 AM Just bought this TV today, what are the settings people are using?
Nice choice my friend.
I am using these settings, which someone suggested for me when I bought it about a month ago:
Picture Mode: Custon
Color Temp:
Red: 153
Green:123
Blue:100
Aspect Ratio: Wide
Brightness: 51
Contrast: 40
Color: 45
Tint: 1
Sharpness: 0(anything higher causes artifacts)
Advanced Settings:
DNR: OFF
Black Level Expander: OFF
White Peak Limiter: ON
CTI: OFF
Flesh Tone: OFF
Adaptive Luma(similar to DNIe on Samsungs, crushes black levels): OFF
Hope you enjoy your new TV.
Nice choice my friend.
I am using these settings, which someone suggested for me when I bought it about a month ago:
Picture Mode: Custon
Color Temp:
Red: 153
Green:123
Blue:100
Aspect Ratio: Wide
Brightness: 51
Contrast: 40
Color: 45
Tint: 1
Sharpness: 0(anything higher causes artifacts)
Advanced Settings:
DNR: OFF
Black Level Expander: OFF
White Peak Limiter: ON
CTI: OFF
Flesh Tone: OFF
Adaptive Luma(similar to DNIe on Samsungs, crushes black levels): OFF
Hope you enjoy your new TV.
Thanks.
But what do I put for "Color Temp"? Did you leave that blank on purpose?
Edit: O I think you put the settings for that right under it..
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