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boswd
05-08-08, 01:05 PM
http://www.vizio.com/products/detail.aspx?pid=58

PENDRAG0ON
05-08-08, 01:11 PM
http://www.vizio.com/media/products/large/VP322_product_page.jpg

That actually looks nice and sleek, I wonder how it preforms?

If the performance is pretty good, Vizio might just have a winner with this set.

boswd
05-08-08, 01:30 PM
and at $547, that's an insane price.

chrisherbert
05-08-08, 01:42 PM
Yeah it looks like it could be really good. What's the retail on a semi-decent 32" LCD?

boswd
05-08-08, 01:47 PM
at a non-wholesale warehouse, they can range from $630 up to about $750 for "good specs" and into an up near a thousand for top of the line.

scorpio_87
05-08-08, 02:10 PM
Nice! I wonder if we will see more 32" plasmas this year. I read somewhere that Samsung might also make one.

boswd
05-08-08, 02:54 PM
If this becomes a hot seller than I think they most likely will. Selling plasma's in the smaller screen size just may jump start the whole plasma tv's again. who knows.

paulenheimer
05-08-08, 03:51 PM
My roommate is in the market for something this size, is there any indication as to when it will actually hit stores?

boswd
05-08-08, 03:53 PM
it's at select stores now but can purchase it on line and use the ship to store to avoid shipping costs.

chrisherbert
05-08-08, 05:12 PM
at a non-wholesale warehouse, they can range from $630 up to about $750 for "good specs" and into an up near a thousand for top of the line.

I guessing that for most uses (not PC), this will have a lot better picture quality than those LCDs. I wonder if they can put out a decent amount of light -- a 32" HD plasma means pretty tiny pixels.

As usual, Vizio also hasn't skimped on the inputs -- 3 HDMI ports, VGA, component...looks really good. I almost wish I were in the market for something like this.

spyboy
05-08-08, 05:50 PM
It looks to me like the plasma has much smaller speakers than the 32 inch vizio LCD. For people who never use anything but the built in speakers, the 32 inch LCD may be worth the extra $50. Of course I am not commenting on brightness or other factors, but audio quality can be the deciding factor for at least a few people.

MKL
05-08-08, 08:07 PM
It looks to me like the plasma has much smaller speakers than the 32 inch vizio LCD. For people who never use anything but the built in speakers, the 32 inch LCD may be worth the extra $50. Of course I am not commenting on brightness or other factors, but audio quality can be the deciding factor for at least a few people.

If it's like their VW26 LCD, Vizio could be using down firing speakers hidden behind the panel.
I'll test the sound quality when I get the chance to.

CHolleman
05-08-08, 09:38 PM
it's at select stores now but can purchase it on line and use the ship to store to avoid shipping costs.

how did you hear that and what stores?

stevew75
05-08-08, 11:27 PM
547....wow....definitely want to get one of these when we finally get one at sears(employee discount). This should be a huge seller.

How good is the walmart warranty? Has anyone actually had to use it?

chad473
05-09-08, 12:48 AM
I forsee one of these going in our bedroom by the end of summer unless the performance is an absolute dud.

stevew75
05-09-08, 01:16 AM
Me too...

I hope it handles SD reasonably well, since I'll be using the #2 feed from my DISH HD box to display on it. 3 year plan is 58 bucks, very much considering that if they have build quality issues.

CHolleman
05-09-08, 09:34 AM
wife is buying me a 32" for the bedroom for my birthday next week. i told her to hold off until the VP322 was released so i could actually see it. anyone know when it hits the store shelves? walmart has it on their website, but none available within 100 miles of my location. (obviously)

boswd
05-09-08, 09:35 AM
[QUOTE=CHolleman;13826432]how did you hear that and what stores?[/QUOT



It's on Vizio' website when you click on that particular model. Right now it's only being sold at Wal-Mart at select stores but available for on line purchase. I would expect to see all the Wal-Mart stores having them on their shelves but the end of the month and into June, but yeah you can buy it on line though.

stevew75
05-09-08, 10:21 AM
Ugh, 400x200 mounting pattern makes it a bit harder to find a reasonably priced retail bracket. Suppose I should just get one from monoprice anyways.

ClevelandRob
05-09-08, 10:55 AM
I really wish I needed a 32" TV... dang.

Cleveland Plasma
05-09-08, 10:58 AM
They will probably sell a ton of these........

Auditor55
05-09-08, 11:30 AM
They will probably sell a ton of these........

Why of course they will. This is why Vizio is going to kill off giants like Panasonic and Pioneer. Well Pioneer is on life support anyway so Vizio my just pull the plug on them.

b_scott
05-09-08, 11:33 AM
Why of course they will. This is why Vizio is going to kill off giants like Panasonic and Pioneer. Well Pioneer is on life support anyway so Vizio my just pull the plug on them.

http://www.vlatitude.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/smiley_shake.gif

do these use LG glass? i assume they do not have the Reon chip.

Cleveland Plasma
05-09-08, 11:42 AM
+ 1 on that lol

E-A-G-L-E-S
05-09-08, 11:46 AM
I hope other manuf. follow suit with something in the 32"-40" range.
I would like one for my kitchen.

RandyWalters
05-09-08, 11:48 AM
Why of course they will. This is why Vizio is going to kill off giants like Panasonic and Pioneer. Well Pioneer is on life support anyway so Vizio my just pull the plug on them.This junky little POS 32" Vizio isn't going to kill off Panasonic or Pioneer. Your incessant Pioneer and Panasonic hate is getting very tiresome around here :rolleyes:

boswd
05-09-08, 11:54 AM
This junky little POS 32" Vizio isn't going to kill off Panasonic or Pioneer. Your incessant Pioneer and Panasonic hate is getting very tiresome around here :rolleyes:


A little quick on the trigger to call these junky don't you think? Let it hit the market and see how it does.

But I do agree with you, the Pioneer's and the Panasonic's aren't going anywhere. It may force them to keep competing price wise but they'll always have their ultra high end sets.

I just love it though, WE the consumer is going to be the big winner with all this.

Auditor55
05-09-08, 11:58 AM
This junky little POS 32" Vizio isn't going to kill off Panasonic or Pioneer. Your incessant Pioneer and Panasonic hate is getting very tiresome around here :rolleyes:

Randywalters

If I hated Panasonic and Pioneer so much, why do I now own a Panasonic Plasma and have stated that I might upgrade to a new Pioneer plasma.

That is not evidence of someone that hate those brands. What I have pointed out is that a company like Vizio and their marketing methods is more contemporary to the current global market. The evidence is overwhelming that Vizio is gutting companies like Panasonic and Pioneer.

Even Cleveland Plasma agree that Vizio is going to sale a ton of those little plasmas.

If Panasonic and Pioneer was so brilliant, why didn't they come up with a 32 inch Plasma? If they were really interested in keep this technology afloat?

Where are the 32 inch 9g Kuro? They have abandoned that segment of the market in favor of LCD.

Vizio should be commended and celebrated for introducing an affordable small plasma display.

Auditor55
05-09-08, 12:01 PM
A little quick on the trigger to call these junky don't you think? Let it hit the market and see how it does.

But I do agree with you, the Pioneer's and the Panasonic's aren't going anywhere. It may force them to keep competing price wise but they'll always have their ultra high end sets.

I just love it though, WE the consumer is going to be the big winner with all this.

Pioneer and Panasonic cannot compete with Vizio. If they want to compete they need to steal the CEO from Vizio and bring him to Panasonic. That small little California company is something to behold!

E-A-G-L-E-S
05-09-08, 12:05 PM
Maybe Pio & Panny and Samsung will release a 32"-40" pdp, if they see the vizio sells.
Now that would be nice for a second display.

s2mikey
05-09-08, 12:09 PM
If this becomes a hot seller than I think they most likely will. Selling plasma's in the smaller screen size just may jump start the whole plasma tv's again. who knows.

I was just thinking the same thing.... time to battle back against the damned LCDs!

;)

Auditor55
05-09-08, 12:09 PM
Maybe Pio & Panny and Samsung will release a 32"-40" pdp, if they see the vizio sells.
Now that would be nice for a second display.

You could be right, but why are the bigs allowing a company like Vizio to be bold and take the lead on this.

E-A-G-L-E-S
05-09-08, 12:11 PM
To let them be the guinea pigs is my guess.
Tortoise and the hare?

CHolleman
05-09-08, 12:38 PM
Maybe Pio & Panny and Samsung will release a 32"-40" pdp, if they see the vizio sells.
Now that would be nice for a second display.

they would have to be able to price it competitively to the vizio, though. a lot of these tv's are going to be 2nd tv's or bedroom tv's. i would think most would put their money behind the larger tv in the living room. in my case, the Pio's in the living room, and though i want a FP for the bedroom, there's no way im spenging $700+for a 32 when panny 42s are flirting with $1000.

boswd
05-09-08, 12:41 PM
Pioneer and Panasonic cannot compete with Vizio. If they want to compete they need to steal the CEO from Vizio and bring him to Panasonic. That small little California company is something to behold!


Oh I agree 120%. What they have done in just 5 short years is nothing short of remarkable. Let's put aside the quality of a Samsung etc Vs. Vizio. I'm speaking strickly of what their marketing strategy's and their success and quick rise to the top.
I mean there have always been and always will be the lesser known "budget" brands. So saying their quick rise among the ranks was due to them being cheaper is not the case. If it was then Westinghouse's, Insignia's Dnynex and the Olevia's would be doing just as well. Something separated Vizio from the pack.

I don't understand all this Vizio hate. All the Samsung, Sony, Panansonic etc. fans should all have a life size poster of William Wang and thank it each morning that he was able to cut inroads into the big market with these guys who can no longer rape and gouge the American consumer. Because they have to bring down their prices. I love it.

yrly
05-09-08, 01:13 PM
The flat panel TV market was like when DVD began to catch on. One company has a chance to make a splash and make their name. Anyone remember Apex from the DVD era?

Vizio did it with flat panel TVs. When new technology begins to catch on, that is when the opportunity presents itself. If Blu-ray eventually catches on in the mass market whoever can make the cheapest player first has a chance to capture the crown and be the next brand to establish themself.

Insignia and Dynex as far as I know are both Best Buy housebrands, the availability is limited. My girlfriend has had an Insignia 27" LCD for a year and its been perfectly fine, a nice TV for the price. However availability is limited.

Westinghouse and Olevia are another story. Westinghouse seemed to show up only at Best Buy and BJs around here (and some place called Closeout Buyers and Liquidators), and trust me I considered buying one at one point. Olevia was available mainly at Circuit City, Target and CompUSA, we know what happened to CompUSA.

Vizio had much better distribution. BJs, Circuit City, Wal-Mart, Sears, and others. Despite being budget decent performance for the price and a variety of models.


On a second note I am anxiously awaiting seeing this 32" plasma. I'd love for a TV of this size to have something approaching acual black at a reasonable price, and I am limited to 32" in my bedroom due to size.

chrisherbert
05-09-08, 03:40 PM
You'd kind of think LG would try to get a larger share of the plasma market with their own TVs, rather than letting Vizio sell what are basically just rebadged LG TVs with lower price tags.

Of course, I'm sure that LG is profiting from their arrangement with Vizio.

Cork55
05-09-08, 05:17 PM
You'd kind of think LG would try to get a larger share of the plasma market with their own TVs, rather than letting Vizio sell what are basically just rebadged LG TVs with lower price tags.

Of course, I'm sure that LG is profiting from their arrangement with Vizio.

Does Vizio uses LG boards? I thought they only used their panels.

-Cork55

chrisherbert
05-09-08, 05:22 PM
Does Vizio uses LG boards? I thought they only used their panels.

-Cork55

I think that many of the Vizios are virtually identical, down to the menus.

MKL
05-09-08, 06:16 PM
Does Vizio uses LG boards? I thought they only used their panels.

-Cork55

If Vizio uses LG panels then the main difference between the two would be number of inputs and the video processing. I read somewhere on this forum that Vizio uses MediaTek chips for video processing mainly (except the ones that are advertised using genesis cortez or Reon). For the price I think those chips are really good. Who knows what LG is using :rolleyes:

It's funny how people call Vizios POS right away, probably without taking a look of them. Even if you hate Vizios you gotta thank them for lowering the prices for your Panasonics or Pioneers.

BWDinc
05-09-08, 06:37 PM
I gotta say Im not a vizio fan, BUT for 550 to get plasma in the bedroom. Tempting.

batpig
05-09-08, 06:52 PM
So saying their quick rise among the ranks was due to them being cheaper is not the case. If it was then Westinghouse's, Insignia's Dnynex and the Olevia's would be doing just as well. Something separated Vizio from the pack.

I think cornering the wholesale club market (Costco and Sam's) was a HUGE benefit to Vizio. And I definitely am happy the budget brands have gutted the market, otherwise I wouldn't have a 50" panny plasma! :D

Great article in Vizio and Wang:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/19/AR2007101902232.html

dukenukems
05-09-08, 09:31 PM
This vizio seems very tempting to me.Would it be wise to buy it as it would be my first plasma?

Shutterman
05-09-08, 09:45 PM
What I find really interesting about this particular unit is that it is being sold first by Walmart. Not sure if it'll make it to the other discount chains or not, but it's an interesting strategy Vizio is using. Here's another article. (http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/vizio-32-inch-plasma-1379.shtml)

Perhaps they are trying to grow the market for other plasma releases? If they can convince Joe 6pack that plasma is good enough for the bedroom, they may be able to carve a bigger nitch for themselves in the larger sizes.

EscapeVelocity
05-09-08, 10:19 PM
This will be a HUGE seller, distro through Walmart no less. William Wang and Vizio rocks!

I might get one of these instead of a Panny Commercial, or maybe both. :)

On a side note, I just saw a 46" Vizio LCD in Walmart the other day. New model. Looked great next to the impressive Polaroid 46".

EscapeVelocity
05-09-08, 10:29 PM
PS - I would have liked to have seen a 852x480 32", why did they never hit the market?

stickboy2k
05-09-08, 10:31 PM
The key thing with Vizio is this. If they went cheap on the power supplies they will die.
I am somewhat of a Vizio fan, but I know they have an issue with Plasmas croaking due to bad PSUs.
But this is really cool and the price is awesome.

StinDaWg
05-09-08, 10:42 PM
They have free site to store shipping already.

EscapeVelocity
05-09-08, 10:46 PM
Nice!

Walmart extended warranties are inexpensive and rock solid, for anyone considering that angle. 90 day no hassle return policy on televisions as well.

E-A-G-L-E-S
05-09-08, 10:51 PM
This will be a HUGE seller, distro through Walmart no less. William Wang and Vizio rocks!

I might get one of these instead of a Panny Commercial, or maybe both. :)

On a side note, I just saw a 46" Vizio LCD in Walmart the other day. New model. Looked great next to the impressive Polaroid 46".

I hope you were being sarcastic as Polaroid and quality display do not coexist.

stevew75
05-09-08, 11:00 PM
The Vizio 32 should be at sears in may/june as well. Of course you'll have a 199-299 3 year "warranty" price from them. I'll be getting this one from WalMart with the 58 dollar warranty, just in case. Assuming it's not a dog.

And why is nobody making like a 480p 4/3 plasma? Seems like someone could make some pretty good cash with that niche market. Even if it would be obsolete with display ratio in a few years, there is still the segment of the population with a 32" 4/3 entertainment center they don't want to discard. Moving down to a 32" LCD is a lot less screen space.

EscapeVelocity
05-09-08, 11:06 PM
The Polaroids at Walmart are better than many Olevia and Westinghouse LCDs PQ wize and many of the downscale Vizios offered at Walmart as well, especially Polaroid's 46" 1080p model, but the Vizio 46" and 47" I would venture to guess are better than the Polaroid 46" for several reasons, Warranty Service, Video Processing, and the lack of a QAM tuner on the Polaroid(I believe). The CRs and black levels are comparable.

EscapeVelocity
05-09-08, 11:08 PM
TAnd why is nobody making like a 480p 4/3 plasma? Seems like someone could make some pretty good cash with that niche market. Even if it would be obsolete with display ratio in a few years, there is still the segment of the population with a 32" 4/3 entertainment center they don't want to discard. Moving down to a 32" LCD is a lot less screen space.

Really. I saw a Pioneer 4:3 plasma used on both ebay and craiglist used, that went for decent money.

E-A-G-L-E-S
05-09-08, 11:09 PM
So did I say something incorrect? :)

BFJ 96
05-09-08, 11:16 PM
@ 1280x1024 (5:4 Aspect Ratio) via HDMI or COMPONENT, How will WIDE SCREEN Content look on this display?

dukenukems
05-09-08, 11:45 PM
Any one decide to buy one yet?

EscapeVelocity
05-10-08, 12:05 AM
LG Showcases World’s Highest
30,000:1 Contrast Ratio Plasma Panels at FPD International 2007. LG Electronics,
a major player in the global flat panel display market, will unveil its new “G
Platform’ plasma TV panels with upgraded picture quality at FPD International
2007.



LG’s new HD and Full HD plasma TV panels feature a 30,000:1 contrast ratio,
which is twice the highest current existing ratio of 15,000:1. G Platform
panels are capable of reproducing exceptionally true colors across the entire
spectrum, including even deep blacks with a 20 percent reduced reflection rate.
In contrast to existing black panels, which are able to improve colors on the
screen only by using clear black-colored panels, LG has improved color
reproduction by optimizing the panels’ color phosphors and utilizing
dielectrics.





LG worked to ensure that TVs made with these panels are ergonomically-conscious
products that maximize eye comfort. The G Platform helps avoid eyestrain and
viewing fatigue by eliminating contour noise and optimizing brightness and
contrast ratio in the actual viewing environment. These panels are also the
industry’s quietest, ensuring viewers can hear even the most softly whispered
dialogue while watching their favorite movies. G Platform panels will be available
in LG’s plasma TVs beginning in the 4th quarter, 2007.



The panels come out in 32-, 42- and 50-inch HD models as well as 50- and
60-inch full HD models. All of these HD models as well as the 50-inch full HD
model include industry-leading single scan technology. All of the panels also
feature a 100 Hz refresh rate.



LG also boasts the industry’s widest and most complete portfolio of plasma
panels, ranging in size from 32 to 102 inches.

http://itvoir.com/portal/resources/New-Products/LG-Showcases-World-s-Highest-30-000-1-Contrast-Ratio-Plasma-Panels-.asp

Cork55
05-10-08, 12:08 AM
Any one decide to buy one yet?

I am seriously considering this set, but would like to see it in the store first.

-Cork55

EscapeVelocity
05-10-08, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by Bengbeng:

The Swedish site which published the first Panny PX80 review recently also reviewed the new 30.000:1 LG 50PG6000. The Panny scored 3.5 out of 5, the LG gets 5 / 5!

Quick summary/translation (thnx to someone @ avforums);

Quote:The tv has an ipod feel to it, slim and great looking tv. They are impressed by the PQ, the blacks are comparable to KURO screens. The tv will cost about 50% less than Pioneer PDP-508XD. It will be released in March this year.

Its a 720p screen. I don't have any info on the full hd screens except that they will be called PG7000 and will be in 50" and 60"

The new LG's, Panny killers?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1005352

boylan13
05-10-08, 03:09 AM
@ 1280x1024 (5:4 Aspect Ratio) via HDMI or COMPONENT, How will WIDE SCREEN Content look on this display?
The native resolution is 1024x720 pixels. Native aspect ratio is 16:9 (rectangular pixels). Widescreen stuff like HDTV and Blu-ray Disc should look pretty good as the aspect ratio is exactly right for those.

But I'm wondering how PC content will look via the VGA input. I'm not even sure my laptop can output 1024x720 and if it can, it will assume square pixels and this is going to stretch out the picture horizontally. The set supposedly supports resolutions up to 1366x768 for PC but then it's going to downconvert to the native panel resolution. I want to get one of these in to test and see how it does with PC stuff and with HD and SD content.

-CB

boylan13
05-10-08, 03:19 AM
LG Showcases World’s Highest
30,000:1 Contrast Ratio Plasma Panels at FPD International 2007. LG Electronics,
a major player in the global flat panel display market, will unveil its new “G
Platform’ plasma TV panels with upgraded picture quality at FPD International
2007.

...

The panels come out in 32-, 42- and 50-inch HD models as well as 50- and
60-inch full HD models. All of these HD models as well as the 50-inch full HD
model include industry-leading single scan technology. All of the panels also
feature a 100 Hz refresh rate.

http://itvoir.com/portal/resources/New-Products/LG-Showcases-World-s-Highest-30-000-1-Contrast-Ratio-Plasma-Panels-.asp
From what I recall, LG announced that their 32-inch model would not be introduced in the US Market. VIZIO buys much of their components on the spot market, but I believe LG is the only manufacturer of the 32-inch PDP so it's a safe bet that the glass will be LG and the 30K rated contrast ratio matches up so this should be latest generation.

A $550 psuedo-name brand plasma is just a ridiculous price (ridiculous=good) assuming this thing doesn't suck. The demo unit they had at CES looked good but that was a pre-production sample.

-CB

boswd
05-10-08, 06:29 AM
This vizio seems very tempting to me.Would it be wise to buy it as it would be my first plasma?


At $547 and a 90 day return policy? You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

james.92
05-10-08, 09:14 AM
At $547 and a 90 day return policy? You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

+1

For this price it is worth trying for a second set (bedroom, etc.). :)

Never thought I would be checking out WalMart for a Vizio, but to be able to have the benefits of a plasma as opposed to buying yet another LCD I think it is worth it.

bandphan
05-10-08, 09:31 AM
This junky little POS 32" Vizio isn't going to kill off Panasonic or Pioneer. Your incessant Pioneer and Panasonic hate is getting very tiresome around here :rolleyes:

+1, you know that plasma ate his baby

boswd
05-10-08, 01:03 PM
This new Vizio plasma has a 1024 x 720 native panal resolution as compared to the more common 1366 x 768.

Does this make a difference at all? Or is it no big deal on a screen this size?

EscapeVelocity
05-10-08, 02:34 PM
42" plasmas come commonly in the 1024x768 XGA resolution size. Should be no big deal.

boswd
05-10-08, 07:16 PM
Thanks,

Still sitting on the fence between the VO32 and this new VP32. I have a month to figure it out.

The only thing truly holding me back from pulling the trigger on the VP32 is the fact that where the tv is going to go their will be alot of sunlight due to large sliding glass door. We do have thick heavy curtains but my wife loves to have them open during the day and won't be happy to have them always closed just to watch tv.

So is the reflective issue's with plasma's just internet hype/rumor's or is there some truth to it?

Thanks

EscapeVelocity
05-10-08, 07:20 PM
Huge issue. Probably the biggest "deal breaker" there is regarding plasma.

boswd
05-10-08, 07:26 PM
Shazbott!!!!!!! My friends were saying the same thing but they are LCD folk, so I just thought it was typical LCD V Plasma deal.

Ohhh boy though, $547, ship to store, cheap rock solid warranty, 90 return policy. Ayyy it's almost worth giving it a shot. I love Wal-Mart. LOL LOL

b_scott
05-10-08, 07:48 PM
Huge issue. Probably the biggest "deal breaker" there is regarding plasma.

also not as big as people make it out to be. unless you get E/W exposure and the windows are directly facing the plasma, it probably won't be too bad. i have North exposure and except in the afternoon i barely get any glare. and my TV is facing windows 10' away.

E-A-G-L-E-S
05-10-08, 09:18 PM
I have owned plasmas from two different manuf. and they have all been within 6' of floor to ceiling windows(2) and I have a big skylight on the opposite side of the room's ceiling.
Like brian said above, unless it gets direct sunlight it is in no way a deal breaker and certainly not when your only other option basically is a current LCD in my opinion.
Unless you have a solid wall of windows or the room is the same as being outside on a porch with a screen up.....but I would venture to guess that makes up less than ~10% of t.v. rooms.

StinDaWg
05-10-08, 10:00 PM
Just bought one with site to store. With that price and 90 day return policy why not. I need something to tide me over until their 60" plasma comes out. :)

stevew75
05-10-08, 10:12 PM
Pics plz when you get it. And have some time.

EscapeVelocity
05-10-08, 11:00 PM
Dont let the plasma fanboys fool you Boswd.

Even though this issue is downplayed by fanboys, I do think that you should give it a shot, because of the Walmart garantee, you have nothing to lose, and as long as you arent going to be using this as a Computer Monitor as its main function, its video quality will be much better than LCD in general, IMO.

Also an adjustable mount can help you angle the TV to avoid the dreaded reflections.

Dont let the issue scare you off, just be aware that it is a possible "deal breaker."

chrisherbert
05-11-08, 01:23 AM
Thanks,

Still sitting on the fence between the VO32 and this new VP32. I have a month to figure it out.

The only thing truly holding me back from pulling the trigger on the VP32 is the fact that where the tv is going to go their will be alot of sunlight due to large sliding glass door. We do have thick heavy curtains but my wife loves to have them open during the day and won't be happy to have them always closed just to watch tv.

So is the reflective issue's with plasma's just internet hype/rumor's or is there some truth to it?

Thanks

It's about the same as a CRT, maybe a little less. If you have a CRT in the same spot without any problems, the plasma won't be any worse.

E-A-G-L-E-S
05-11-08, 10:09 AM
Dont let the plasma fanboys fool you Boswd.

Even though this issue is downplayed by fanboys, I do think that you should give it a shot, because of the Walmart garantee, you have nothing to lose, and as long as you arent going to be using this as a Computer Monitor as its main function, its video quality will be much better than LCD in general, IMO.

Also an adjustable mount can help you angle the TV to avoid the dreaded reflections.

Dont let the issue scare you off, just be aware that it is a possible "deal breaker."


The level of maturity is very low with some people.
The way members throw around the insult of fanboy really makes me wish I could meet these 'men' and discuss how to act like an adult.
If people agree with them they are knowledgeable, but if they disagree even while providing bench tested specs, they are a fanboy.
Even if they share their own personal experience, well they must be lying fanboys.
Sad.

james.92
05-11-08, 11:11 AM
The level of maturity is very low with some people.
The way members throw around the insult of fanboy really makes me wish I could meet these 'men' and discuss how to act like an adult.
If people agree with them they are knowledgeable, but if they disagree even while providing bench tested specs, they are a fanboy.
Even if they share their own personal experience, well they must be lying fanboys.
Sad.

Not referring to this thread in particular, but I've learned to at least try to ignore those who seem to be here only to argue, spread misinformation out of ignorance or their own agenda, or to bitch and moan. It's easier on the old blood pressure. :)

BTW, I hope your Eagles knock off those hated Giants this year. ;)

Sofo
05-11-08, 11:52 AM
Hello all,

I just bought the VP322 at wal-mart in-store on Friday the 9th.

I searched for it on the wal-mart item finder for in store items, and it said there were none within a 100 mile area, so I quit looking for the VP322.

I was surprised to find it in a brick and mortar store, but there was only one VP322.
No display models, and was tucked away in with the other TVs underneath the display models.

I purchased it, and was delighted to bring it home.

I play games primarily, and after 10 Minutes of Rock Band, I noticed IR where the score is kept.

I didn't know about the issue before buying the TV, had only researched which type of display had less motion blur, because that is a deal breaker to me, since I was upgrading from my 3-Ton 1080i Samsung CRT.

I ran Image Cleaner from the TVs menu, and IR went away within 10 minutes.

I researched the issue on IR, and it led me to this forum, and eventually this thread.

The TV is on about the 24th hour mark of burn in, and I decided to test the display with about 10 minutes of Rock Band again.
I actually played for about 20 minutes, and decided to run Image Cleaner again.
This time it took about 2 minutes to get rid of the IR, so I guess the break in theory holds true, for me at least.

The picture quality is phenomenal to me.

I was used to enjoying games in 1080i, and thought it could get no better than a CRT, until I played them on this little plasma. Of course, I haven't played any games on it for over 20 minutes, until it gets past the 100hr mark.

But if you're looking for one of these TVs, it may benefit you to just go to the store and look, because the Wal-Mart Item finder doesn't work for this TV yet.

Was really surpised that my wal-mart had one.

allargon
05-11-08, 12:51 PM
Image cleaner, eh?

What other controls does this box have?

Sharpness, color, contrast, black levels, sound options, etc.?

Noise reduction?

Film mode?

Is the greyscale calibration selectable via user level controls, or does that require a visit to the service menu?

Thanks.

jim.bennett
05-11-08, 01:09 PM
http://www.vizio.com/media/products/pdfs/VP322+HDTV10A+User's+Manual+RevB.pdf
Check out the manual... they even included a lip sync feature :)

Sofo
05-11-08, 01:19 PM
There are a TON of options available to the end-user on this TV.
Haven't tried to go into the service menu yet.

Looks like Jim posted a link to the .pdf manual of it.
It could answer far more questions than I.
;)

That being said, compared to my old Samsung, it blows it out of the water in picture quality, and clarity.
The colors just seem to burst out of the screen almost.
They are very vivid.

The TV even came with a cleaning cloth.

Cost was 592.00 after taxes at wal-mart.

I've never owned a plasma before, so I really cannot compare it to a higher end set like a Pioneer or anything.

I was shocked to see that my PS3 detected it at 1080p and sent a 1080p signal sucessfully to the VDP322.

I'm sure it's scaled, but was impressive nonetheless.

D-Nice
05-11-08, 01:58 PM
A person is a fanboy, when they downplay or deny a serious issue with a technology, as you have just done EAGLES.

Quit your bellyaching.
Are you a "Chuck Town" native ;)

Auditor55
05-11-08, 02:07 PM
There are a TON of options available to the end-user on this TV.
Haven't tried to go into the service menu yet.

Looks like Jim posted a link to the .pdf manual of it.
It could answer far more questions than I.
;)

That being said, compared to my old Samsung, it blows it out of the water in picture quality, and clarity.
The colors just seem to burst out of the screen almost.
They are very vivid.

The TV even came with a cleaning cloth.

Cost was 592.00 after taxes at wal-mart.

I've never owned a plasma before, so I really cannot compare it to a higher end set like a Pioneer or anything.

I was shocked to see that my PS3 detected it at 1080p and sent a 1080p signal sucessfully to the VDP322.

I'm sure it's scaled, but was impressive nonetheless.

That's great news!! There was some poster bad mouthing Vizio in this thread. This confirms that Vizio can make an inexpensive "great" prouct.

chrisherbert
05-11-08, 02:17 PM
Per the manual, this TV does have color temperature fine tuning controls (RGB) in the standard user menu. This is standard on the Vizio TVs that I've seen in the past. It seems like this one will be a winner, especially if the picture looks as nice as the 2008 50" 720p LG plasma. If only LG can do something about the image retention.

greenland
05-11-08, 02:45 PM
There are a TON of options available to the end-user on this TV.
Haven't tried to go into the service menu yet.

Looks like Jim posted a link to the .pdf manual of it.
It could answer far more questions than I.
;)

That being said, compared to my old Samsung, it blows it out of the water in picture quality, and clarity.
The colors just seem to burst out of the screen almost.
They are very vivid.

The TV even came with a cleaning cloth.

Cost was 592.00 after taxes at wal-mart.

I've never owned a plasma before, so I really cannot compare it to a higher end set like a Pioneer or anything.

I was shocked to see that my PS3 detected it at 1080p and sent a 1080p signal sucessfully to the VDP322.

I'm sure it's scaled, but was impressive nonetheless.

That sounds very promising. Would you consider posting a periodic update, say every month or so, to let us know how the set is doing, and your ongoing satisfaction level, and any problems that may have cropped up.

Since this is a brand new model, it would be nice to have some reports on how well it holds up over an exended period of time. Good luck with your new TV.:)

Daryl L
05-11-08, 03:30 PM
Did anybody notice the color spec on the VP32. Only 16 million colors (no more than your typical LCD tv). Most Plasma's spec out at billions of colors (like Vizio's other plasmas). Unless it's a typo don't expect this VP32 PDP to have the more natural looking color reproduction other Plasma's have over LCD tv's. I had a Sharp (w/CMS) and a Sony XBR2 HD LCD and no matter how much I calibrated and tweaked Saturation and Hue (even w/ Sharps CMS or Sony's Wide/Normal Color Space) I could never get as natural a color reproduction (especially overblown greens on LCD's) as I could on my previous two HD-ready RPTV's or my current Viore (cheap-o) PDP.

jim.bennett
05-11-08, 03:59 PM
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program. Keep those VP322 impressions coming. ;)

Shawn1
05-11-08, 04:07 PM
I'm interested in getting a plasma TV, but I don't want anything over 32 inches.

Please tell us more about the video quality of this TV.

Sofo
05-11-08, 05:34 PM
Sure, I don't mind posting about my experience with this TV at all.
So far, so good. But it's only 2 days old.

As time goes on, I have no problem stopping by and reporting how its holding up.

To me, the video quality is awesome.

But, I have only had CRT displays before, this is my first plasma.
I can compare it to my old Samsung, and there is really no comparison.

If my old TV looked great, then this one looks Uber.

The clarity of text is amazing to me, and the colors make my old CRT look bad.

As far as gaming goes, from what little time I've spent with them on my TV(still breaking in), they look amazing.

Details that I didn't notice before stand out easily.
Shadows have a gradient to them, where they just looked like generic shadows before.

There seems to be more going on with the lighting in WarHawk for example.
As a whole it really walks all over my old CRT.

As a heads up, the wal-mart find in store system now seems to be working for this TV.

I checked the store where I bought mine, and it now says out of stock, so I assume I bought the only one they had.

Another wal-mart 20 miles away reports having them in stock, as well as a wal-mart a hundred miles away.

I wonder how many of these Vizio sent out?

Also, wal-mart says it's an LCD with a response time of 5ms.

This is false. It says Plasma HDTV right on the box.

And as far as response time goes it looks just like a CRT, no motion blur at all.

I can't wait until someone else on this forum gets one, and pipes in.

I'm no expert, and would appreciate the opinion of someone else who bought one.

EscapeVelocity
05-11-08, 06:01 PM
HDPeeT, Ill take the high road, and leave others to their fantasies and follies.

E-A-G-L-E-S
05-11-08, 06:18 PM
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jvernon
05-11-08, 06:39 PM
Guys, please cut the crap so this thread doesn't get locked.:(

Sofo, how does it look with your DVD player? Does it scale well or do you let your player do that?

EscapeVelocity
05-11-08, 08:10 PM
For those who own this set, could you post some pics of it in action? Pics are always fun.

Sofo
05-11-08, 08:28 PM
As far as DVD watching goes, I'm using my PS3, upscaled to 720p.
I tried it in 480p, and it looked better than 480p on my old tv.
Sorry, I know that's not a lot of help.

I have noticed that this tv lets you adjust the position h/v and size, something my old TV did not do outside of the service menu.

As far as I can tell, it has three modes, Wide, Panoramic and 4:3.

I just have it hooked up to analog cable, and it lets you adjust the picture to fit, you can nix black bars on the top and bottom of the picture, but you have to stretch the picture to do it.
Now, there is probably a way to do it that I'm not familiar with, I haven't even read the manual, outside of glancing over the .pdf that Jim posted.

I have noticed that it treats each inputs volume differently.

If I have my analog cable turned up tp say 20 in volume, and my HDMI input at about 15 for my PS3, when I switch back to analog, it's at 20, and back to PS3 it's back to 15, so I guess it remembers the volume you specify for each input.

EscapeVelocity
05-11-08, 08:33 PM
It has independent memories for each input settings, are the advanced settings universal, that is the "usual" Vizio setup?

What kind of anti IR tech does it have? You mentioned Image Clean. How about gray bars for non stretched 4:3 material, with adjustable brightness? Pixel shifting?

Can you post pics? Everyone loves pics!

Sofo
05-11-08, 08:50 PM
I cannot find any grey sidebar option.
Nor pixel shifting.
Image clean as far as I can tell is a beige screen that kind of shimmers.

Only digicam available atm is my razr. :(

I'll take a pic or two with that, but untill my real camera comes back from a loan it's the best I can do.

I'll upload them soon.

Sofo
05-11-08, 09:13 PM
Pic quality is horrible on a razr.

I'm almost ashamed to upload these.

When I get my other real digicam back, I'll upload much better pics.

EscapeVelocity
05-11-08, 09:21 PM
Ouch!

Thanks for the effort though.

:thumbsup

Sofo
05-11-08, 09:26 PM
Yeah, lol. Those pics are terrible. Go Motorola!
Sorry for scorching anyone's eyes with them in advance.
:p

Shawn1
05-11-08, 09:49 PM
Sofo,

Is there any way you can let us know how this set reproduces very dark scenes in a low light room?

More than anything, though, I'm curious as to how much light this set emits when displaying a black screen in a pitch dark room.

I'm wondering how dark blacks could get.

(I get obsessive about a TV's ability to reproduce black. It's the most important thing to me.)

Thanks.

jvernon
05-11-08, 10:00 PM
Yeah, lol. Those pics are terrible. Go Motorola!
Sorry for scorching anyone's eyes with them in advance.
:p

No problem.:)

I have a new Samsung phone and I can't even figure out how to use the camera function on it.:o

Sofo
05-11-08, 10:01 PM
What I see is that there is a bit of grey to the black bars if you're watching a Dvd.

But, I haven't calibrated the tv yet, since it's still just breaking in, compared to a crt, so far it's a hair brighter honestly.

Shawn1
05-11-08, 10:55 PM
Okay, I see.

So I'm guessing that after a hundred or so hours of "breaking in" the set and it being calibrated, whatever should be black will be black.

:cool:

boswd
05-12-08, 09:13 AM
[INDENT][/INDEN



What goes on during the initial 100 hours of breaking it in? Do you do absolutly nothing to the tv or just some simple fine tuning?

jvernon
05-12-08, 09:22 AM
What goes on during the initial 100 hours of breaking it in? Do you do absolutly nothing to the tv or just some simple fine tuning?


Take it out of the showroom "torch" mode, turn the settings down to a sane level, and try to avoid watching 4:3 programs and programs with onscreen logos for extended periods.

boswd
05-12-08, 09:28 AM
Great thanks.

Think I'm going to pull the trigger on this one. The whole WalMart 90 day return policy and a very cheap extended warranty along with that price tag of $547 is jus too tempting. I don't think the refelctive issue will be too much of a concern if it's like a CRT than I'll no problem because where the CRT is sitting, it get no glare what so ever. So I don't think I can pass this one up.

PENDRAG0ON
05-12-08, 10:03 AM
Pic quality is horrible on a razr.

I'm almost ashamed to upload these.

When I get my other real digicam back, I'll upload much better pics.

I have my Razr set to VGA resolution for photos, they look a lot better that way. Bring up the camera and hit the menu button, you should see a resolution option, adjust that to VGA 640:480 and picture quality should improve. (I import them to my PSP so I need the added Resolution)

Shutterman
05-12-08, 10:34 AM
This will be perfect for a bedroom TV. I'm a bit off axis from where one will sit, so I thought I'd go with plasma. I ordered one to be delivered to my local Walmart.

Website says it should get here in the next week or so. After it arrives and after I've done a bit of burn in with it, I'll report back with my impressions.

b_scott
05-12-08, 10:43 AM
is the VP322 really 8" deep? My 50" Kuro is only like 5" deep. i don't think that would work well on the wall at the foot of the bed since we only have about 2' there.

CHolleman
05-12-08, 10:48 AM
is the VP322 really 8" deep? My 50" Kuro is only like 5" deep. i don't think that would work well on the wall at the foot of the bed since we only have about 2' there.

that must be with the stand attached. straight from vizio's website:

Dimensions
Carton:
Net: 32.5" W x 22.6" H x 8.0" D
Without Stand: 32.5" W x 21.1" H x 3.5" D
Without Stand and Speakers:
Certifications: CSA, CSA-US FCC Class B, BETS-7

b_scott
05-12-08, 10:49 AM
ah thank you - i was reading Walmart's info.

RandyWalters
05-12-08, 11:35 AM
I find it kinda shocking that the remote has no ASPECT key! According to the manual (pg 33 and 61) it appears that you have to use the MENU key to get into the Setup menu when you want to change the aspect which would be a serious pain in the ass just to change the aspect mode. This lack of an ASPECT key is a glaring omission on a plasma TV's remote. Even the cheapest LCDs and Plasmas have an Aspect key.

I'm also wondering if the PANORAMIC mode is available when watching an "HD" channel or when the TV is getting an "HD" signal from an STB, or if the TV locks into WIDE mode only?

And why the heck does this TV not have a ZOOM mode?

boylan13
05-12-08, 11:43 AM
So is the reflective issue's with plasma's just internet hype/rumor's or is there some truth to it?

Thanks
Current gen plasmas from Panasonic and Pioneer are much better at reducing ambient light glare off the screen. LG also has a non-glare screen coating, but I haven't specifically evaluated its effect. Oddly the VIZIO's specs don't list any kind of anti-glare screen coating (though specs have been known to lie).

At CES, the room lighting in the VIZIO suite was not bright enough to make screen glare an issue. VIZIO did have two experimental anti-glare/anti-reflection screen coatings on display, but they were both on the 1080p 50-inch plasma model (half the screen had one filter, half the other).

But all of this stuff was pre-production so I'd need to see the final VP322 sample to be sure. We hope to get one in soon, but WalMart pre-order customers will probably get theirs before we do...

-CB

boylan13
05-12-08, 12:00 PM
I play games primarily, and after 10 Minutes of Rock Band, I noticed IR where the score is kept.
Image retention, color temp inaccuracies and some aspect ratio problems with 4:3 digital content were what kept our review of the 60-inch VIZIO plasma (http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/vizio-vm60p-maximvs-review-1159.shtml) (aka "MAXIMVS") from being more enthusiastic than it would have been. This is also an LG panel. IR seems to be worse on the LG panels than on Panasonic or Pioneer (from our observations and testing) though it does get a little better after 100 hours of use or so.

What picture mode do you have the set in and have you done any basic calibration with DVE or AVIA DVDs? For gaming or anything that has fixed images on the screen, you definitely don't want to have it in "Standard" mode. Try movie mode and drop the brightness a couple of ticks. Also, color temp of Warm is usually the closest to 6500K on the VIZIO/LG panels.

-CB

Sofo
05-12-08, 12:52 PM
Thanks Pendragoon, I was able to locate the higher res shots I took with the razr.
I'll try to take more shortly.

Thanks, boylan13, I have the set on Custom, brightness at 51, contrast at 32.
I'm currently the break-in dvd on it.

I have it set to warm, as well. ^_^

b_scott
05-12-08, 01:04 PM
those pics (even though i realize they're taked w/a Razr) looks REALLY high in color, way way too high. unless it's just a trick of the picture.

Sofo
05-12-08, 01:06 PM
Should I lower my settings down a tad?
Any recommendations appreciated.

PENDRAG0ON
05-12-08, 01:11 PM
those pics (even though i realize they're taked w/a Razr) looks REALLY high in color, way way too high. unless it's just a trick of the picture.

Yeah, the pictures of my Panasonic plasma I've taken with my Razr don't look that overblown.

Sample Razr shot.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u36/PENDRAG0ON/01-03-08_2032.jpg

Sofo
05-12-08, 01:19 PM
Color is set at the stock 50. I'll drop it to 30ish?

b_scott
05-12-08, 01:19 PM
good call. probably pretty much unrelated, but my Pio is set at 33 i think. somewhere in that range should be more accurate

husker1974
05-12-08, 01:19 PM
Is the Vizio in a game mode? That will oversaturate the color. Otherwise try adjusting color or tint settings you might have. Leave the brightness and contrast for now. Pop in a blu-ray or DVD while you're adjusting the color to get proper look of fleshtones, e.g. so people aren't looking like they are sunburned.

Sofo
05-12-08, 01:23 PM
I set it to:
Brightness 30
Contrast 30
Color 30
Color Temp warm
Tint 0
Mode is set to Custom

boswd
05-12-08, 01:27 PM
If you really got to the time and don't have a THX DVD or the DVE calibration video's. Some of the better movies to do calibration with your eys are Ice Age for you white details, BatMan for you black details and Charlie and Choc. Factory for your bright color details.

But if you have Ice Age or any other 20th Cent.Fox movie, they should have the THX Optimizer.

Sofo
05-12-08, 01:33 PM
I do have a THX Optimiser of an old Fox Demo DVD I was given at a BB years ago. I will set color to 33. Will take pics afterwards.

b_scott
05-12-08, 01:40 PM
again each tv and brand will be different, but something in that general area should be closer to correct than out of the box settings.

Sofo
05-12-08, 02:19 PM
Brightness 52
Contrast 43
Color 36
Color Temp Normal
Tint 0

Calibrated in 480p via Fox Demo Disc #1's THX Optimizer. :P

EscapeVelocity
05-12-08, 02:25 PM
I own 2 Vizio 42" LCDs, and I have the color reduced to 42 on both of them, 38 gets skin tones looking right but I like to punch the color just a bit. Dont know if that transfers to the plasma though.

Anyways, good stuff from Randy about the remotes. I looked at the online pdf manual and noticed the new remote. I have 2 Vizio remotes, the new one and the old one. Vizio remotes have been interchangeable between models including the plasmas in the past, maybe they will work with this new 32" plasma. They have aspect ratio toggle buttons, and the older one has a zoom button as well, both have direct access buttons for input selection. And the newer one is a learning remote as well.

That is all.

:)

greenland
05-12-08, 02:28 PM
I do have a THX Optimiser of an old Fox Demo DVD I was given at a BB years ago. I will set color to 33. Will take pics afterwards.

In case you are not aware of them, I am providing a couple of links about the subject of breaking in your plasma. It might help to read some tips on how to avoid burn in issues. Apparently the phosphors need to be broken in or seasoned, and are most vunerable to burn in issues during the first hundred hours or so. It would be best to keep your settings low during that period. Here are the links. Good luck with your set.:)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=949107&highlight=break+in

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=608677&highlight=break+in

Shutterman
05-12-08, 02:31 PM
I find it kinda shocking that the remote has no ASPECT key! According to the manual (pg 33 and 61) it appears that you have to use the MENU key to get into the Setup menu when you want to change the aspect which would be a serious pain in the ass just to change the aspect mode. This lack of an ASPECT key is a glaring omission on a plasma TV's remote. Even the cheapest LCDs and Plasmas have an Aspect key.

I'm also wondering if the PANORAMIC mode is available when watching an "HD" channel or when the TV is getting an "HD" signal from an STB, or if the TV locks into WIDE mode only?

And why the heck does this TV not have a ZOOM mode?

Oooohhh. This doesn't sound promising. Hope there's a work-around. Maybe EscapeVelocity will lend me one of his remotes? :D

EscapeVelocity
05-12-08, 03:02 PM
One more thing, the zoom function on the old remote works on the new set, even though zoom was no where mentioned in the manual or specs. So it could be possible that these functions exist on the 32" plasma but are unaccessible via the supplied remote.

Vizio video processing and menu systems seem to be cross platform/model affairs in general....probably to cut costs.

You can purchase these remotes from Vizio, or on fleabay.

EscapeVelocity
05-12-08, 03:04 PM
Just to clarify, I have the original Vizio remote, and the upscale new one that is included with this years 2008 Vizio 1080p plasmas. This "downscale" 32" remote is new this year, as far as I know.

boswd
05-12-08, 03:05 PM
Stupid question but when would you want to use a Zoom mode?

EscapeVelocity
05-12-08, 03:09 PM
Letterboxed SD expands to just fit the screen. And SD 4:3 expands to get rid of the black bars on the side, while clipping the top and bottom of the image.

RandyWalters
05-12-08, 03:11 PM
Stupid question but when would you want to use a Zoom mode?When one wishes to zoom a 4:3 program or zoom a DVD to get rid of the black bars, thereby reducing the chance of IR and subsequently reduce the chance of Burn-In. Every widescreen TV i've ever played with has an Aspect key on the remote and a ZOOM mode.

boswd
05-12-08, 03:13 PM
and this is what is refred to as stretch?

greenland
05-12-08, 03:16 PM
When one wishes to zoom a 4:3 program or zoom a DVD to get rid of the black bars, thereby reducing the chance of IR and subsequently reduce the chance of Burn-In. Every widescreen TV i've ever played with has an Aspect key on the remote and a ZOOM mode.

It is a very strange remote feature omission. Even the cheap Digital Conversion Box remotes have a change aspect button.

b_scott
05-12-08, 03:28 PM
Brightness 52
Contrast 43
Color 36
Color Temp Normal
Tint 0

Calibrated in 480p via Fox Demo Disc #1's THX Optimizer. :P

looks a lot better. still a bit of red push i think, might want to hit Tint with -2 and see how it looks. skins tones look pretty natural on the second one.

b_scott
05-12-08, 03:29 PM
One more thing, the zoom function on the old remote works on the new set, even though zoom was no where mentioned in the manual or specs. So it could be possible that these functions exist on the 32" plasma but are unaccessible via the supplied remote.

Vizio video processing and menu systems seem to be cross platform/model affairs in general....probably to cut costs.

You can purchase these remotes from Vizio, or on fleabay.

do people even use their original remotes anymore anyway? Harmony FTW :)

EscapeVelocity
05-12-08, 03:31 PM
:)

Jonesy11
05-12-08, 03:43 PM
The store 2 miles from me apparently has them in stock. I will probably pick one up tonight. I can compare it to my commercial 42" panny plasma, and while I am not a hardcore techie, I do have some knowledge. My comments may appear tomorrow.

EscapeVelocity
05-12-08, 03:52 PM
Excellent!

Sofo
05-12-08, 03:56 PM
looks a lot better. still a bit of red push i think, might want to hit Tint with -2 and see how it looks. skins tones look pretty natural on the second one.

Yeah, in general it seems to err on the warm side of things.
In normal even the whites have a slight warmth to them, and is really almost a light light pink.
In the Cool mode, white is white as a bleached sheet in the sun.
Also, in the custom color mode, with all stock settings at 128 for RGB, it looks great too.
Maybe vizio went a little overboard on the stock warmth settings on this set.

No aspect button. Now I see why I couldn't get rid of the borders in some dvds.

Gives me an excuse to get a Harmony, too.
:D

EscapeVelocity
05-12-08, 04:01 PM
I think Randy said the aspect ratios were accesible in the menus.

EscapeVelocity
05-12-08, 04:04 PM
and this is what is refred to as stretch?

My GV42LF has panoramic and wide modes in SD that stretch the picture to fit. Wide stretches uniformly and panoramic stretches more on the outside L&R edges of the screen. Zoom and Normal are the other 2.

HD source gets 2 modes, wide and zoom.

Sofo
05-12-08, 04:10 PM
True, there is Wide, Panoramic, and 4:3.

Over hdmi, it seems like they disappear.
They're not there in the menu any longer.

PS3, sending it at 1080p. No options to change aspect that I can see.

EscapeVelocity
05-12-08, 04:15 PM
I guess that is why we are talking about the Zoom mode. :)

EscapeVelocity
05-12-08, 04:19 PM
Maybe you can select 4:3 normal and 4:3 zoom in the menu? Pressing twice or something?

Sofo
05-12-08, 04:39 PM
They are selectable in 480p, but 720p and 1080p the option is there, but grayed out.
I wonder if Vizio will address the remote. I don't mind springing for a better remote if it will allow me more functions. :p

boylan13
05-12-08, 05:01 PM
If Panasonic and Pioneer was so brilliant, why didn't they come up with a 32 inch Plasma? If they were really interested in keep this technology afloat?Panasonic got out of the 37-inch plasma market because they couldn't compete in that space (on price) as the 37-inch size began to be flooded by LCD makers. They have "retreated" to the larger screen sizes because a.) picture quality matters more with larger screen sizes and b.) they can still compete on price (for now). Pioneer has also withdrawn to the larger screen sizes but narrowed down even further in 2008 with only 1080p plasma models (Pioneer also announced plans to begin releasing LCD televisions but hasn't announced any specific models yet). Pioneer is aiming squarely at the enthusiast and well-to-do consumers who want the best picture regardless of cost. It's unlikely they'll ever make a big dent in overall marketshare numbers in the display space, but then neither does Ferrari represent a significant portion of the automobile market.

I believe LG created the 32-inch panel (and VIZIO tagged along with them) because there was actually a bit of a run on the market last year in the 32-inch size that left many of the larger brands out of stock in that screen size.

LCD plants (Chi Mei, Sharp, S-LCD, etc.) are gearing up their production volumes so quickly that it's unlikely that there will be stock problems in the 32-inch screen size this year. So it remains to be seen whether there is a real opportunity here for a new plasma model. But frankly I'm happy to see one (or two, depending on how you count) plasma makers entering the fray on the smaller screen sizes. With plasma's inherent picture quality advantages (blacks/contrast, picture uniformity, color saturation) and a price that's lower than the lowest comparably sized LCD TV, this should be quite an interesting model for Vizio. It doesn't mean it's going to be the best 32-inch TV on the market, just because it's a plasma, but it's always nice to have choices...

-CB

Sofo
05-12-08, 05:12 PM
I'm currently running the break-in dvd, where it cycles the colors.
In reading posts, I saw that some says to crank up the brightness and contrast a hair when using this dvd.
Should I bump up the brightness and contrast a bit while running the dvd?

Thanks!

boylan13
05-12-08, 05:14 PM
True, there is Wide, Panoramic, and 4:3.

Over hdmi, it seems like they disappear.
They're not there in the menu any longer.

PS3, sending it at 1080p. No options to change aspect that I can see.This doesn't make me optimistic. The 60-inch Vizio plasma had only the zoom and wide modes for HDMI sources and for its own internal digital tuners. "Wide" mode was fine for 16:9 material but Wide mode stretched (and "zoom" mode cropped) 4:3 material to fill the screen. Networks like PBS-Kids and TheTube which broadcast digitally in 4:3 aspect ratio were either clipped or stretched, neither of which is accurate.

I hope they haven't repeated this mistake in the VP322. I wonder if this is an intentional limitation because they know the window-box bars can make Image Retention issues even worse?

-CB

chrisherbert
05-12-08, 06:01 PM
It doesn't mean it's going to be the best 32-inch TV on the market, just because it's a plasma, but it's always nice to have choices...

-CB

It might actually be the best, since most 32" LCDs are of lower quality than their 40"+ cousins. Perhaps not the best in terms of build quality, but I think it has a good chance as far as PQ.

RandyWalters
05-12-08, 08:55 PM
I'm currently running the break-in dvd, where it cycles the colors. In reading posts, I saw that some says to crank up the brightness and contrast a hair when using this dvd. Should I bump up the brightness and contrast a bit while running the dvd?When using the Break-In DVD i'd crank the brightness up to excercise the pixels more thoroughly. Running it with reduced settings would probably just delay the phosphor aging so crank up that contrast and sear those little LG pixels for 200 hours ;)

Jonesy11
05-13-08, 12:31 AM
OK, I went to the local Wallyworld and got one, none on floor, clerks had no clue, but persistence paid off, they wheeled 1 out for me from the back. They wanted $118 for the 2 yr warranty, I passed, said it is not same price as Internet. So, my initial impressions: This is avery slick set for the $547. I used the settings calibrated by a poster in this thread, but I liked it better with color 39, tint -1. So the overall look of the set is real slick, about a 1 inch black glossy bezel, speakers at bottom. At bottom center of bezel it says VIZIO that lights up a little in a cool white when you turn set on, relatively unobtrusive and looks kinda cool to me. The sound is pretty good, definitely fine for my bedroom where I have set it up. Amazing connectivity for the price. The set is light and easy to carry around. Right now I am watching TNT hidef 1080i. The blacks look pretty damn good to me but a little lacking in detail. Flipping to Animalplanet hd, the greens look nice in grass, very good overall color repro, skin tones look good also. My main tv is a panny commercial 42" 720p plasma, and I feel this little Vizio is a huge value for the money, I will likely keep this tv, I think it will blow away lcds of same size with skin tone and the like. It also has an image cleaner feature, and under advanced features has DNR, black level extender, white peak limiter, CTI, Flesh tone and Adaptive Luma, not sure about all those. As mentioned, the remote is very basic and does not have an aspect button. I just retuned color down to 37, looks better on CNNHD.

Sofo
05-13-08, 08:48 AM
Glad you like your little Vizio, Jonsey11.
They tried to stick me with the extended warranty at $118 too when I bought mine. I passed as well.
Thanks to the burn-in dvd, I just hit the 50 hr mark.
The lack of an aspect button kind of concerns me.
If I get a different remote from Vizio, will the aspect/zoom buttons on the new remote work on this set? Can anyone confirm this? What model of remote should I be looking at?

Thank in advance, you guys have been a huge help. :)

Shutterman
05-13-08, 10:02 AM
Glad you like your little Vizio, Jonsey11.
They tried to stick me with the extended warranty at $118 too when I bought mine. I passed as well.
Thanks to the burn-in dvd, I just hit the 50 hr mark.
The lack of an aspect button kind of concerns me.
If I get a different remote from Vizio, will the aspect/zoom buttons on the new remote work on this set? Can anyone confirm this? What model of remote should I be looking at?

Thank in advance, you guys have been a huge help. :)
Looks like mine should arrive sooner rather than later. Perhaps by the end of this week.

However, as mentioned, the lack of an Aspect button has me also concerned. I suppose *if* a universal/learning remote could handle it, that might be alright...but I really don't want to have to buy another remote just for the bedroom TV. Maybe I was too quick on the trigger for this TV. Hmmm...

CHolleman
05-13-08, 10:38 AM
so aspect can't be changed through the menu either? are you guys saying you have to have the actual remote with the aspect button on it?

how does the tv handle SD content? i have a HD DVR in the living room and the bedroom box is a standard SD variant. the best connection available is S-Video, which i know won't be as good as HDMI or component, but i need to get rid of my aging dinosaur CRT. the vp322 is the right size at the right price for me, plus the space savings are a plus.

also, i couldn't find power consumption specs on vizio's website. it's not a make or break thing for me, i'm just curious as to what they are if anyone has the numbers. thanks.

Sofo
05-13-08, 10:49 AM
In testing out the only universal remote I have available(Sony RM-VL600), I found out that although there is no Vizio code listed for it, on a manual device search the remote did indeed turn the VDP322 off, and on.

Leaving the remote to the setting that made the TV power off, I set the Sony remote.

Functions that are not on the stock remote work on the Sony universal, for example the 'Sleep' button.

If I press it on the Sony, a little window with the sleep timer pops up in the lower left hand corner.

To access the sleep timer with the stock remote, you have to navigate the menu.

Also the 'Info' button on the Sony brings up the channel box, and if pressed again brings up the video signal, and finally if pressed a third time, it brings up the description of the program you are watching.

The stock remote's 'Guide' button does this in a totally different way than the Sony does, with the stock remote there are only two functions(presses) to the guide button.
The Sony has three, and for lack of a better term does it with more options available with repeated button presses.

However, this wal-mart Sony remote does not have any zoom, or aspect button, so I cannot test these out. :mad:

But, it does give me hope with say a Harmony, the VDP322 may respond to undocumented remote codes.

b_scott
05-13-08, 10:51 AM
if i could get this with a built in HD for DVR and a DVD player built in as well, i'd be willing to pay $300 more for it. i just wish there was some tv that had that. what's the use of wall mounting space saving if you still need it connected to a cable box / DVR / DVD? :sigh:

Sofo
05-13-08, 10:55 AM
so aspect can't be changed through the menu either? are you guys saying you have to have the actual remote with the aspect button on it?

how does the tv handle SD content? i have a HD DVR in the living room and the bedroom box is a standard SD variant. the best connection available is S-Video, which i know won't be as good as HDMI or component, but i need to get rid of my aging dinosaur CRT. the vp322 is the right size at the right price for me, plus the space savings are a plus.

also, i couldn't find power consumption specs on vizio's website. it's not a make or break thing for me, i'm just curious as to what they are if anyone has the numbers. thanks.

IMHO, it handles SD very well. About like a CRT.
I think the power consumption was around 250 watts.

Sofo
05-13-08, 11:03 AM
When using the Break-In DVD i'd crank the brightness up to excercise the pixels more thoroughly. Running it with reduced settings would probably just delay the phosphor aging so crank up that contrast and sear those little LG pixels for 200 hours ;)

Randy, might you have any suggestions on what to crank the brightness/contrast up to? I would sure appreciate it. :)

greenland
05-13-08, 11:04 AM
so aspect can't be changed through the menu either? are you guys saying you have to have the actual remote with the aspect button on it?

how does the tv handle SD content? i have a HD DVR in the living room and the bedroom box is a standard SD variant. the best connection available is S-Video, which i know won't be as good as HDMI or component, but i need to get rid of my aging dinosaur CRT. the vp322 is the right size at the right price for me, plus the space savings are a plus.

also, i couldn't find power consumption specs on vizio's website. it's not a make or break thing for me, i'm just curious as to what they are if anyone has the numbers. thanks.

Online user manual says: Power Consumption is 250W Max.

Jonesy11
05-13-08, 11:21 AM
One more note, don't expect to get awesome color out of this like from a top plasma costing 4 times as much. It is good and I think a great choice for a bedroom, but not in a league with my panny commercial plasma.

Shutterman
05-13-08, 11:26 AM
However, this wal-mart Sony remote does not have any zoom, or aspect button, so I cannot test these out. :mad:

But, it does give me hope with say a Harmony, the VDP322 may respond to undocumented remote codes.
Hey...thanks for testing all this out, Sofo. But I'm concerned that if there's no way to change the Aspect or Zoom over HDMI in the Vizio menu, the Harmony may not help?

Bill1313
05-13-08, 11:49 AM
This could just turn out to be the "Black Friday" $398.00 Plasma? while the 42" Panasonic, Samsung & LG's go for $699

Hope my local Wal-Mart gets one in soon so I can take a look at it because it sounds like the perfect Bedroom / Kitchen / Guest Room / Kids Room / Work Room tv or anywhere that you need a tv for just casual tv watching.

RandyWalters
05-13-08, 11:51 AM
so aspect can't be changed through the menu either? are you guys saying you have to have the actual remote with the aspect button on it?It's already been explained but yes the aspect can be changed in the Setup Menu but it will be a pain in the butt since for some unimaginable reason the remote does not have an Aspect key like every other widescreen TV on the planet does. Based on EscapeVelocity's posts, it may be possible that the Aspect key on his older Vizio remotes might be able to directly activate the aspect modes on this new Vizio but until he or someone actually tries it on this TV, nobody will know if it will work or not.

Sofo
05-13-08, 11:54 AM
I see where you're coming from Shutterman. Since it's greyed out in the menu over HDMI, then the aspect button might not work.
Thanks for clearing this up for me. :)

boswd
05-13-08, 11:59 AM
I don't understand Wal-Mart's in store extended Warranty? How can they charge $118 but only charge $58 for it online? I wonder if you can purchase the warranty separetly online, if not it's probably best just to do a ship to store and purchase it that way.

boswd
05-13-08, 12:10 PM
Also, it seems to be a pretty big concern about not having the aspect ratio on the button on the remote and have to go into the set up menue change it. This maybe a stupid questin but after you get all the settings to your liking how often do you go and change the aspect ratio? Do you change it everytime you switch between SD and HD?

b_scott
05-13-08, 12:21 PM
i almost never zoom/stretch anything. i don't really know why people would. it screws with the original aspect - may as well watch on a 4X3 tv. i don't think that would bother me to not have that.

boswd
05-13-08, 12:29 PM
yeah that's what I thought, doesn't Vizio have the auto settings to where the picture will be automatically be brought up to the signal it's receiving, for example if you switch to a SD it will show the pillar bars but if you switch to HD it will have full screen? And you get get this without having to always change the aspect ratio?

I don't know to me it seems like a minor inconvience for only $547 plus if it really is a hassle to you you can get a remote that has one. I don't know to me it doesn't seem that big of an issue to be a deal breaker.

chrisherbert
05-13-08, 12:30 PM
yeah that's what I thought, doesn't Vizio have the auto settings to where the picture will be automatically be brought up to the signal it's receiving, for example if you switch to a SD it will show the pillar bars but if you switch to HD it will have full screen?

I had a Vizo last year, and I know that I didn't have to swicth the aspect every time I switched between SD and HD. I don't recall exactly why, but I know that I didn't.

Daryl L
05-13-08, 01:55 PM
i almost never zoom/stretch anything. i don't really know why people would. it screws with the original aspect - may as well watch on a 4X3 tv.
Not true. When watching a letterboxed movie/show (like Doctor Who, Eureka etc...) on Sci-Fi, TCM and other channels, instead of watching it with black bars on top, bottom and sides you can hit the "Zoom" mode to crop the black bars out without screwing with the original aspect ration. Same for widescreen letterboxed (NON-Anamorphic) DVD's. My Viore 42" PDP has no Zoom mode either and I wish it did.

b_scott
05-13-08, 01:58 PM
you're still cutting off the sides, which does screw with the original aspect. it's no longer the same as what was shot. unless you stretch it vertically which will still show all the picture but again the aspect will be lost. there's no way to zoom/adjust 2.35 without losing some of the picture or losing the aspect.

i'd rather have all of the picture.

boswd
05-13-08, 02:30 PM
Here's a link to Vizo's explanation of the whole black bars and viewing modes.

http://www.vizio.com/support/discussions/detail.aspx?did=fe100751-ada9-414f-aadf-87ea75009f85

I guess if not having the aspect ratio button on the remote is an issue for some, I would just leave it on "wide" mode.

CHolleman
05-13-08, 02:48 PM
thanks for the replies and i guess i should have read more thoroughly.

before i jump on this, i have to ask if any of you have any experience with LCD's of this size. most 32" LCD's i've seen that aren't shart box polaroids cost more than the VP322. How does this TV stack up from a cost/performance stand point?

Daryl L
05-13-08, 02:50 PM
you're still cutting off the sides, which does screw with the original aspect. it's no longer the same as what was shot. unless you stretch it vertically which will still show all the picture but again the aspect will be lost. there's no way to zoom/adjust 2.35 without losing some of the picture or losing the aspect.

i'd rather have all of the picture.

Wrong again. On a letterboxed movie/show on tv or non-anamorphic DVD you have bars on sides and top and bottom if your in 4:3 mode (normal) using a widescreen tv. If your in "Wide" or "Full" mode it's stretched horizontally destroying the OAR. If you then hit "Zoom" it's stretched vertically only, restoring the OAR if it's a letterboxed 1.77:1 or 1.85:1 AR . If it's a 2.35:1 theirs still small black bars top and bottom in "Zoom" mode but still in it's OAR.

Check out the info and bottom 2 images HERE (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/House/3997) about a letterboxed non-anamorphic DVD.

b_scott
05-13-08, 02:55 PM
i misread there. i guess i never watch "letterboxed" movies anymore. 95% are anamorphic now anyway. you're going to get a softer more grainy picture with zoom, so i hate to do it.

the term "letterbox" is interchangeable for me, i guess because i used to buy all my VHS in "letterbox" so i just use that or widescreen in the same way.

bananfish
05-13-08, 03:08 PM
What's the word on glare from those who have this set?

(I'm interested in one for my bedroom, but I'm worried about glare because it's a pretty darn bright room - the East facing wall is almost entirely glass.)

MKL
05-13-08, 03:51 PM
Glad you like your little Vizio, Jonsey11.
They tried to stick me with the extended warranty at $118 too when I bought mine. I passed as well.
Thanks to the burn-in dvd, I just hit the 50 hr mark.
The lack of an aspect button kind of concerns me.
If I get a different remote from Vizio, will the aspect/zoom buttons on the new remote work on this set? Can anyone confirm this? What model of remote should I be looking at?

Thank in advance, you guys have been a huge help. :)

My VW20L uses the same remote as the VP322 and my old Vizio remote works on my VW20L. The 2 units SHOULD use the same codes so I am 99% sure the other Vizio remote will work.

Sofo
05-13-08, 03:59 PM
What's the word on glare from those who have this set?

(I'm interested in one for my bedroom, but I'm worried about glare because it's a pretty darn bright room - the East facing wall is almost entirely glass.)

The glare on this set is about like a CRT.

Shutterman
05-13-08, 05:09 PM
Here's a link to Vizo's explanation of the whole black bars and viewing modes.

http://www.vizio.com/support/discussions/detail.aspx?did=fe100751-ada9-414f-aadf-87ea75009f85

I guess if not having the aspect ratio button on the remote is an issue for some, I would just leave it on "wide" mode.
I think the whole issue of being able to change aspect ratio easily is more important with a lower cost plasma like this one. Anything that can help lessen the chance of image retention or worse, burn in, is helpful. Nice to know they've included an IR "cleaning" cycle though.

nervx
05-13-08, 05:12 PM
is it possible to buy the 32" visio in canada?

boswd
05-13-08, 05:54 PM
I don't see why not buy you may have warranty issue's though.

EscapeVelocity
05-13-08, 07:00 PM
Not true. When watching a letterboxed movie/show (like Doctor Who, Eureka etc...) on Sci-Fi, TCM and other channels, instead of watching it with black bars on top, bottom and sides you can hit the "Zoom" mode to crop the black bars out without screwing with the original aspect ration. Same for widescreen letterboxed (NON-Anamorphic) DVD's. My Viore 42" PDP has no Zoom mode either and I wish it did.

BINGO!

EscapeVelocity
05-13-08, 07:02 PM
I had a Vizo last year, and I know that I didn't have to swicth the aspect every time I switched between SD and HD. I don't recall exactly why, but I know that I didn't.

What my GV42LF does is remember the last aspect ratio used for a station, but this is with the tuners, dont know about HDMI.

EscapeVelocity
05-13-08, 07:04 PM
Wrong again. On a letterboxed movie/show on tv or non-anamorphic DVD you have bars on sides and top and bottom if your in 4:3 mode (normal) using a widescreen tv. If your in "Wide" or "Full" mode it's stretched horizontally destroying the OAR. If you then hit "Zoom" it's stretched vertically only, restoring the OAR if it's a letterboxed 1.77:1 or 1.85:1 AR . If it's a 2.35:1 theirs still small black bars top and bottom in "Zoom" mode but still in it's OAR.

Check out the info and bottom 2 images HERE (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/House/3997) about a letterboxed non-anamorphic DVD.

The thing about this is some TV broadcasts operate in this fashion, not just letterboxed DVDs.

EscapeVelocity
05-13-08, 07:10 PM
Im going to state pretty confidently that the old remotes will work with this new plasma, as last years upscale remote for my GV42LF is used on this years upscale plasmas. LG codes work for these Vizio sets when using other remotes, pretty sure they are staying with the same setup, in that regard.

And Im pretty confident that the Aspect Ratios available on my GV42LF on 720p and 1080 sources will also work on this set, that is Wide(Normal 16:9) and Zoom. But as someone else stated, until someone actually does it, no garantees.

Gentle
05-14-08, 12:17 AM
Does this TV handle QAM?

Sofo
05-14-08, 08:46 AM
Hi Gentle,

According to the Vizio website, "the VP322 offers HD formats and an integrated standard and high definition NTSC/ATSC/clear QAM digital tuner including 1080i and 720P. This will give you the full ability to enjoy the high definition content offered by your satellite and cable providers."

EscapeVelocity
05-14-08, 08:52 AM
Hey Sofo, can tell what kind of coatings are on the front panel? Look at a reflection....do you see magenta/purplish and green sub reflections?

Thanks!

boswd
05-14-08, 08:59 AM
Im going to state pretty confidently that the old remotes will work with this new plasma, as last years upscale remote for my GV42LF is used on this years upscale plasmas. LG codes work for these Vizio sets when using other remotes, pretty sure they are staying with the same setup, in that regard.

And Im pretty confident that the Aspect Ratios available on my GV42LF on 720p and 1080 sources will also work on this set, that is Wide(Normal 16:9) and Zoom. But as someone else stated, until someone actually does it, no garantees.


and besides don't most HD set top boxes remotes have that funtion anyhow? I know my comcast DVR remote,has a HD Zoom mode on it that gives you the options of normal, stretch, Zoom1 and Zoom2. I'm sure other cabel companies and Direct TV's remotes would have a similiar aspect button. So this would render the Vizio's remote limitations moot, wouldn't you think?

Sofo
05-14-08, 09:27 AM
Hey Sofo, can tell what kind of coatings are on the front panel? Look at a reflection....do you see magenta/purplish and green sub reflections?

Thanks!

No Problem Escape,

I have looked at the screen for a few days now, and all that I can tell is that the reflection it gives off is say a hair darker than a regular piece of glass.
At the price range Vizio is selling the VP322, they may not have coated the screen with any anti-glare coating. If they did, I can't see it.

EscapeVelocity
05-14-08, 09:50 AM
Sofo, LG makes the panel, and they are giving high quality coatings to their branded sets, FWIU.

I would be surprised if this set DID NOT have them, but its possible.

When you get a chance focus on a bright reflection and then look off center at the edges, do you see purplish and green "edges" and "sub reflections?" This would indicate that it does indeed have high quality Anti Reflection coatings.

Sofo
05-14-08, 09:53 AM
Oh, ok Escape. I was looking at the actual reflection, not the edges.
Sun's coming up here in El Paso, I'll pop open a window here in a few and look for color changes on the edges of the reflection.

Sofo
05-14-08, 10:02 AM
Just hit the 76 hour mark of breaking the set in, I've been ruthless to it the last 48 hours. lol I have the brightness set to 60, and the contrast set to 40 for the break in DVD.
It hasn't given me any problems so far.
Gets a little warm up top where the vents are, but that's probably the way all plasmas are.
No funny smells, or pops or mysterious shutdowns.
IR seems to be going away a LOT faster than it was on Friday.

I played about 30 minutes of Lost Planet, and 30 Minutes of the Haze demo last night.
When I went back to the break in DVD, the IR that was there was gone in less than two minutes.

The IR really isn't noticeable if the tv is displaying any color other than black. But like I said, it's going away a heck of a lot faster than it did last Friday. :)

StinDaWg
05-14-08, 11:45 AM
Just picked up this set last night. Impressions later. So far I can tell you that it is much better than your typical cheap 32" lcd.

chad473
05-14-08, 12:49 PM
aside from the aspect issue (and this won't be to me, since I can regulate that with a cable box), this set sounds like a winner for light use as a bedroom set. I think I'll be picking one up at some point. Has anyone mounted it? I thought I remember reading something about it requiring an odd mount that was a bit more expensive than most.

b_scott
05-14-08, 01:47 PM
i'm starting to get really interested in this set, so keep the reviews coming.

StinDaWg
05-14-08, 02:17 PM
I'm having trouble getting the VGA input to work. I have it properly hooked up to my laptop and I have tried all different resolutions and all I get is a blue screen that says "No Signal!"

Sofo
05-14-08, 02:21 PM
Some laptops require a function key in the keyboard press to send a signal out of the monitor port instead of the laptop's monitor. Might try that if yours has it.

chad473
05-14-08, 03:48 PM
oh this has a vga input too? sold.

StinDaWg
05-14-08, 03:52 PM
Got it to work after messing around with the display settings. I have it hooked up at 1366 x 768. From 7 feet away it is kind of hard to read text but I just hooked it up so I could watch movies. Looks good.

chad473
05-14-08, 04:07 PM
so it didn't take 720p from your PC, you had to send a custom resolution?

StinDaWg
05-14-08, 04:14 PM
Ya it took 1280 x 720 after I set it from my laptop. After unplugging and plugging the VGA cord back in the Vizio automatically set the resolution to 1366 x 768, which the manual says is the optimal resolution for the set. The screen position was shifted way to the left, but I just hit the auto adjust button and it looks perfect now. When set to 720p there were small black bars on each side of the screen.

chad473
05-14-08, 04:42 PM
gotcha. I'm sure I can tweak with powerstrip if needed, I'm just excited about the vga input. I somehow glanced over that when reading the specs.

TRD Supra
05-14-08, 04:47 PM
How are the blacks on the VP322?

Gentle
05-14-08, 05:04 PM
Thanks for the update. I do see where it says that now.

I haven't been following the trends in plasmas, but I was pretty shocked to find there was nothing available under 42", save the 37" Panasonic plasma that was basically just a monitor.

So, I'm pretty stoked about this little TV. Anyone know of a manufacturer planning a new 37" plasma?

Hi Gentle,

According to the Vizio website, "the VP322 offers HD formats and an integrated standard and high definition NTSC/ATSC/clear QAM digital tuner including 1080i and 720P. This will give you the full ability to enjoy the high definition content offered by your satellite and cable providers."

chrisherbert
05-14-08, 05:05 PM
So can anyone confirm that the panel resolution really is 1024 x 720? That's not one that I've seen before, and it's surprising that they haven't gone with the more standard 1024x768.

Sofo
05-14-08, 06:25 PM
Confirmed in the manual.
1024X720.

eric1018
05-14-08, 06:56 PM
For everyone who is wondering about this, a 42 inch set is out now (VP422) :)

StinDaWg
05-14-08, 09:18 PM
I think Randy said the aspect ratios were accesible in the menus.

How are the blacks on the VP322?
Much better than your typical cheap lcd, but no Pioneer or Panasonic that's for sure.

Cork55
05-14-08, 09:46 PM
But then again, you are not getting a Pioneer or Panasonic for $547 either. :)

-Cork55

boylan13
05-14-08, 10:00 PM
For everyone who is wondering about this, a 42 inch set is out now (VP422) :)
Yeah, 42-inch plasma HDTV @ $799.99 MSRP. Pretty crazy. But who has it? WalMart doesn't list it yet but WalMart is the only dealer listed on the product page on the VIZIO site.

-CB

StinDaWg
05-14-08, 11:33 PM
If you compare the msrp of the 32" to the Walmart price, the 42" set may well be only $699. :eek:

Jonesy11
05-14-08, 11:47 PM
Question for Sofo and others. I can't get a signal at all when hooking from my comcast cablebox via HDMI, but works fine via component. How do I get the HDMI to work, it just says no signal.

BTW, I am now watching the Lakers game on TNT hidef, and it looks great, blacks and color look great. This from an owner (me) of a panny 42" commercial plasma.

boylan13
05-14-08, 11:59 PM
If you compare the msrp of the 32" to the Walmart price, the 42" set may well be only $699. :eek:I know. I was thinking the same thing. That's completely nuts. I just e-mailed my VIZIO PR contact to see if that price is a typo (I just heard back - the MSRP of $799 is real, not sure how much WalMart will discount it).

The VP422 was originally announced at CES at an MSRP of $999 but is now listed on the VIZIO web site at $799 MSRP. I suspect this will be another WalMart exclusive (at least at first). Will be very interesting to see what price they peg it at when it appears on the WalMart web site and in stores.

-CB

RandyWalters
05-15-08, 01:36 AM
Question for Sofo and others. I can't get a signal at all when hooking from my comcast cablebox via HDMI, but works fine via component. How do I get the HDMI to work, it just says no signal.If by chance you're leaving the component cables connected to the cable box while testing the HDMI, that can prevent the signal from being sent out over the HDMI output. Make sure HDMI is the only cable connected.

Also, HDMI doesn't like to be hot-swapped, so try turning the TV and cable box both off, wait a minute, then turn the TV on first then turn the cable box on after and that should enable the HDCP handshake and allow the TV to display the signal.

chad473
05-15-08, 10:42 AM
I know. I was thinking the same thing. That's completely nuts. I just e-mailed my VIZIO PR contact to see if that price is a typo (I just heard back - the MSRP of $799 is real, not sure how much WalMart will discount it).

The VP422 was originally announced at CES at an MSRP of $999 but is now listed on the VIZIO web site at $799 MSRP. I suspect this will be another WalMart exclusive (at least at first). Will be very interesting to see what price they peg it at when it appears on the WalMart web site and in stores.

-CB

that's nuts. I realistically don't need 42" at all for the bedroom, but if it clocks in under 700...it may be too hard to pass up.

b_scott
05-15-08, 04:15 PM
anyone know a monoprice mount that would fit the VP322? i have no idea about mounts

chrisherbert
05-15-08, 04:53 PM
Confirmed in the manual.
1024X720.

Interesting. I guess that could give a slightly cleaner picture with 720p sources, since you don't have to scale vertically. Weird choice though, since 1024x768 has been a plasma standard for many years.

b_scott
05-15-08, 05:04 PM
i'm pretty sure the only reason 768 became standard is so the industry could say it's a million pixels - since X720 is a little less than that and they got tired of clarifying. that's what i've read at least. they also mentioned that the other day on dl.tv

enkidu77
05-15-08, 05:19 PM
I just noticed these sets don't support 1080p signals. I'm wondering what exactly that means. What will happen if you hook up a 1080p source like a PS3 to this set? I recall reading some issues with the PS3 defaulting to 480p if sets don't accept 1080p.

EM3
05-15-08, 05:49 PM
Keep the impressions coming! I am trying to convince the wife to get this for the bedroom!

MKL
05-15-08, 05:51 PM
I just noticed these sets don't support 1080p signals. I'm wondering what exactly that means. What will happen if you hook up a 1080p source like a PS3 to this set? I recall reading some issues with the PS3 defaulting to 480p if sets don't accept 1080p.

If it is like any other Vizios it will take 1080p signals and automatically scales it to the native resolution. Can someone verify this?

enkidu77
05-15-08, 05:56 PM
If it is like any other Vizios it will take 1080p signals and automatically scales it to the native resolution. Can someone verify this?

I've been trying to check on other 720p sets, and I'm surprised to find the acceptance of 1080p is not listed as a feature on any of the sets. In fact, what signals are accepted are not listed at all. I recall last year manufacturers making a big deal about accepting 1080p signals. Has this now become such a standard feature on 720p sets that no one bothers to report it? I'm trying to discover if not accepting 1080p is a liability with the Vizios and what it will mean if I want to hook up a 1080p source to this set eventually. Will it display at all? What does it mean when set does not accept a signal?

Spur
05-15-08, 07:12 PM
Just send it 1080i. Of course you will have to hope it does a good job de-interlacing the signal.

boswd
05-15-08, 07:33 PM
Wouldn't it be better to send it to it's native resolution of 720P?

chrisherbert
05-15-08, 07:55 PM
I just noticed these sets don't support 1080p signals. I'm wondering what exactly that means. What will happen if you hook up a 1080p source like a PS3 to this set? I recall reading some issues with the PS3 defaulting to 480p if sets don't accept 1080p.

If 1080p doesn't work just use 1080i. There most likely won't be any visible difference.

chrisherbert
05-15-08, 07:56 PM
i'm pretty sure the only reason 768 became standard is so the industry could say it's a million pixels - since X720 is a little less than that and they got tired of clarifying. that's what i've read at least. they also mentioned that the other day on dl.tv

1024x768 has been around a very long time, I think before anyone much cared whether it had a million pixels. I think it's convenient from a manufacturing perspective and because that's a standard PC resolution.

EscapeVelocity
05-15-08, 08:31 PM
Other Vizio sets from last year accept 1080p with no mention of it in the manual or spec sheets.

Didnt someone on this thread earlier already say he hooked up his PS3 and it displayed 1080p on the input. Sofo wasnt it?

Spur
05-15-08, 08:37 PM
Wouldn't it be better to send it to it's native resolution of 720P?

Maybe, or maybe not. It may depend on the native resolution of the source material. Best to try it both ways and pick the one that looks best.

EscapeVelocity
05-15-08, 08:45 PM
See bold.

There are a TON of options available to the end-user on this TV.
Haven't tried to go into the service menu yet.

Looks like Jim posted a link to the .pdf manual of it.
It could answer far more questions than I.
;)

That being said, compared to my old Samsung, it blows it out of the water in picture quality, and clarity.
The colors just seem to burst out of the screen almost.
They are very vivid.

The TV even came with a cleaning cloth.

Cost was 592.00 after taxes at wal-mart.

I've never owned a plasma before, so I really cannot compare it to a higher end set like a Pioneer or anything.

I was shocked to see that my PS3 detected it at 1080p and sent a 1080p signal sucessfully to the VDP322.

I'm sure it's scaled, but was impressive nonetheless.

RandyWalters
05-15-08, 09:04 PM
Wouldn't it be better to send it to it's native resolution of 720P?The TV may look better (or more to your liking) if you output all sources at 1080i. On my 768p Plasma and LCD TV, as well as my 1080p Plasma, all the SD and 720p and 1080i channels look crisper and more detailed with everything sent at 1080i. At 720p, it all looks noteably softer and less detailed. I much prefer the 1080i setting, but my GF likes the 720p setting better. She sees the same difference as i do, but just likes the softer image.

Try various output settings and see which one looks best to you ;)

StinDaWg
05-15-08, 09:41 PM
I tried 1080p over VGA and I can confirm that doesn't work.

MKL
05-15-08, 09:55 PM
I tried 1080p over VGA and I can confirm that doesn't work.

Does it give you a "no signal" blue screen or does it scale? How about the other inputs?

boswd
05-15-08, 11:36 PM
The TV may look better (or more to your liking) if you output all sources at 1080i. On my 768p Plasma and LCD TV, as well as my 1080p Plasma, all the SD and 720p and 1080i channels look crisper and more detailed with everything sent at 1080i. At 720p, it all looks noteably softer and less detailed. I much prefer the 1080i setting, but my GF likes the 720p setting better. She sees the same difference as i do, but just likes the softer image.

Try various output settings and see which one looks best to you ;)


That's awesome, , I would have just thought it would automatically be better if you set to the native resolution of the set. Good tips.

Sofo
05-16-08, 09:36 AM
It does indeed take 1080p signals over HDMI.

VGA, I have no clue, I haven't hooked my PC up to it.

It's still purring along nicely, and I've noticed that although there is some IR from playing MotorStorm for a lengthy time(2+ Hrs), watching other material on the screen clears it up within 10 minutes.

But I can confirm that if you hook a PS3 to the VDP322 over HDMI, and select auto resolution, the PS3 reports it can handle 480i,480p,720p,1080i, and 1080p.
After having an old samsung that only did 480i,480p and 1080i, it sure is nice to be able to play games in the resolution the designers intended.

The difference in PQ between the VDP322 and my old Samsung Dyna-Flat 30" is like night and day.
I can honestly say gaming on this tv shows me way more detail than my old set.

From the perspective of a gamer, this set represents incredible value for the average gamer on a budget. :)

It's not going to compete with a $1500.00 plasma, but it will walk all over the comparatively priced LCD displays in picture quality.
Of course this is my opinion, and as more people get these sets in their homes, I'm sure we'll get more thoughts and opinions.

EM3
05-16-08, 10:22 AM
I measured the wall and showed the wife what it would look like and she liked the size and placement. 4 questions come to mind though.

1) How long is the power cord? I only ask because my outlet is near the corner of the wall a few feet away.

2) Does Wal Mart have a wall mount available or where can I find a good one?

3) Is there something like a track that can be painted to run up the walls to hide the wires?

4) I have an older house with thick plaster walls so do I need to mount it to a stud or would the plaster and lathes hold it using some type of anchor bolt?

chrisherbert
05-16-08, 10:51 AM
1) How long is the power cord? I only ask because my outlet is near the corner of the wall a few feet away.

I think it uses a standard PC-style power cable, so a longer replacement should be very inexpensive.

Sofo
05-16-08, 10:53 AM
Chris is correct.
Uses a PC-Type 3 prong grounded power cord.

sterryo
05-16-08, 11:16 AM
3) Is there something like a track that can be painted to run up the walls to hide the wires?

4) I have an older house with thick plaster walls so do I need to mount it to a stud or would the plaster and lathes hold it using some type of anchor bolt?

3> plastic channels for the wall are paintable and hide wires nicely..

4> UMMM it's 40 lbs. hanging on plaster... I would sink lag bolts into stud ( i did for an LCD tv downstairs) but that is my opinion... :rolleyes:

StinDaWg
05-16-08, 11:54 AM
Here are the settings I am using.

Custom:
brightness 51
contrast 43
color 43
tint 0
sharpness 4
color temp normal

For the price this is a good bedroom set. I have had 3 different 32" lcds in the past, a Sony, Westinghouse, and Emerson. This set blows them all away, even the Sony that was $800. Viewing angles, black levels, color, no ghosting, all better than any 32" lcd you can get. The contrast ratio is listed at 30,000:1. Now, I don't know how accurate that is but I can tell you that I can see a lot of detail in the picture that I would miss out on the other lcds I had. You can make out the texture on David Lettermans suit, while on the other tvs all you would see is gray. Shadow detail is very good. Black levels are pretty decent. I also had a 42" Vizio plasma from last year and I think the black levels have improved over that, although it is still not as deep as a Panasonic or Pioneer, but you are not paying that kind of money. There is definitely some IR but it goes away after a few minutes. Hopefully this will lesson as the set gets broken in more. Sound is decent and what you would expect out of a tv like this. The actual design of the tv is really slick. Glossy black frame with a small strip at the bottom for the speakers. Much improved over the silver sets they had in the past. Picture looks good over VGA. Just watched a few 720p files last night and it looked great. I would highly recommend this as a bedroom or small living room set, especially at this price skip right over the other 32" lcds and get this Vizio if you can find it. They did not have it on display yet at a local Walmart, but I asked if they had any in the back and they had 2 and sold it to me.

CHolleman
05-16-08, 01:02 PM
can anyone tell me if the vp322 has a "no operation off" feature? being a bedroom tv, i sometimes fall asleep at the wheel and forget to set the sleep timer.

sterryo
05-16-08, 01:24 PM
Woo Hoo just received my email from Walmart that my 'ship to store' is ready for pickup, so I will be setting up the tv tonight, I will report later, I have a Sanyo Z2000 1080p projector an Olevia 37 LCD 720p and a Sanyo 27" hdtv tube @ 1080i to make comparisons, this will be my 1st plasma, I'm stoked about it's specs and hope it lives up to them. :D

b_scott
05-16-08, 01:26 PM
be stoked, but don't have super-high expectations. this is a 32-inch budget plasma, not a Panny/Pio. it'll look good but won't touch "real" plasmas. that being said i'm considering one for the BR.

CHolleman
05-16-08, 01:33 PM
be stoked, but don't have super-high expectations. this is a 32-inch budget plasma, not a Panny/Pio. it'll look good but won't touch "real" plasmas. that being said i'm considering one for the BR.

can't be any worse than the screen door LCD's in the same price range.

b_scott
05-16-08, 01:35 PM
definitely true.

boswd
05-16-08, 01:38 PM
Woo Hoo just received my email from Walmart that my 'ship to store' is ready for pickup, so I will be setting up the tv tonight, I will report later, I have a Sanyo Z2000 1080p projector an Olevia 37 LCD 720p and a Sanyo 27" hdtv tube @ 1080i to make comparisons, this will be my 1st plasma, I'm stoked about it's specs and hope it lives up to them. :D



Yeah if I get this set that's what I'm doing, the ship to store method. I find it very very odd that the extended warranty online is $58 but in store people have been hit for $118. That makes no sense, so how do you beat the system, ship to store. :D

boswd
05-16-08, 01:51 PM
Just called my local Wal-Mart here in the greater Boston area, just received a new shipment in of those, their first shipment sold out in two days. Plus they honor the extended warranty as quoted online at $58. Not sure why some stores were trying to charge $118.