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orificium
05-08-08, 11:55 PM
I noticed this recently released motherboard on newegg today: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131280

I thought it might be a good choice for my Hybrid/Core. I'm still considering the MSI Media Live or ABIT AN-M2HD but they have older IGPs.

Being that it just recently was released, can I expect problems with the 8xxx integrated video, or should it be no problem to configure in linux?

-Ryan

tivo1
05-09-08, 02:34 PM
anything nvidia video wise shouldnt be an issue... should work quite well

mythmaster
05-11-08, 08:34 AM
I had to modify xorg.conf to get my 8500GT to display 1920x1080. It would come up in 1920x1200 (the monitor's native resolution), but it wouldn't report a 1920x1080 mode at all. Here's the modified xorg.conf for reference. Note that this is for a 24" Soyo monitor so YMMV with the modeline, and it uses gpu scaling to put the 1920x1080 in 1920x1200.
guest@mythbox:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen" 0 0
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "glx"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "CorePointer"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Soyo 24"
Option "DPMS"
Modeline "1920x1080_60" 148.35 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1085 1090 1125 +hsync +vsync
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "8500GT"
Driver "nvidia"
Option "DPI" "100x100"
Option "UseEvents" "1"
Option "AddARGBVisuals" "1"
Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "1"
Option "NoLogo" "1"
Option "XvmcUsesTextures" "true"
Option "renderAccel" "true"
Option "ExactModeTimingsDVI" "true"
Option "ModeValidation" "NoDFPNativeResolutionCheck"
Option "DynamicTwinView" "false"
Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True"
Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP"
Option "FlatPanelProperties" "Scaling = Scaled"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "8500GT"
Monitor "Soyo 24"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1920x1080_60" "1280x720" "1024x768" "720x480" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection
guest@mythbox:~$
While I'm on the subject, this little trick comes in handy for diagnosing X problems:
guest@mythbox:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
guest@mythbox:~$

waterhead
05-11-08, 10:13 AM
Interesting that you just posted this, as I have been fighting the nVidia setup on my re-built MythTV box. I am using a nVidia 6600GT AGP card, and am having problems with XvMC.

The information from the MythTV wiki on XvMC (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC) says to use this:Option "XvmcUsesTextures" "false" # necessary for color Chromakey OSD)
Where you have it as "True".

I think that we may need a separate thread on setting up nVidia cards for HDTV. We could all post what worked for us.

mythmaster
05-11-08, 08:18 PM
Turning off XvmcUsesTextures may be necessary for AGP, but I'm not sure.

I agree, and I'm starting another thread right now.

MichaelZ
05-12-08, 04:06 PM
I bought a XFX 630i board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813141007

It worked right out of the box with Hardy but I was planning on using Gutsy due to myth setup.

The Good:
Cheap!
Audio works if you load gutsy backports - came right on line
Video was not detected but envy fixed that issue - needs 169.12 driver.
Overclocked pretty nicely - bought a E2200 ($70) and it is running @ 2.74ghz (sweet)
Plays HD stuff smooth as water. I tested soime BD/HD-DVD and they were stutter free.

The Bad:
Only single channel memory and only two slots.
Depending on your monitor setup, it was problematic switching between monitors the way I have my system setup so I used my trusty 7600gt that was laying around and all is good.
When using HDMI the color space was PC and not NTSC so this caused me some grief (all nvidia do this!!!). i.e., it is the same color space as the DVI.
HD Audio out is Coaxial and not S/PDIF .

All in all this is a pretty sweet board, very small and it works. The HDMI works well and nvidia-settings sync'd me up @1080p/60hz/24hz but I switch monitors for tweaking and it was a little flaky the way it would act after warm reboot - cold reboot usually fixed the problem but I still like my 7600gt :)

orificium
05-20-08, 11:06 AM
Well, I got my M3N-HD/HDMI motherboard which has the nForce 750a chipset. And I've been using the latest Mythbuntu distro. However, I can't get any real graphics drivers installed and working. The only thing that seems to work is vesa. When I have the nvidia drivers installed, I just get a blank screen. And i can't even switch between terminals (CTRL+ALT+F1 through F7) so I have to reboot into recovery mode and manually modify the xorg.conf to go back to vesa.

On Nvidia's site, in the driver download section, I selected the 750a in the drop down, and of course they do not list any drivers for Linux 32-bit or 64-bit.

I tried called Asus today and when you get transferred to the "Linux" support team, I just get a message saying they can't handle my request and to leave a message. Of course they don't even give you voicemail and hang up.

So I think I'm **** out of luck until someone decides to write drivers for this thing.

Any ideas?

waterhead
05-20-08, 04:07 PM
It looks as if it doesn't use the regular nVidia binary that the gForce chips use. Read this information about the nForce driver:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.23.html

The nForce isn't the video chip then, there must be a different video chip.

Edit: According to the Asus web site for the M3N-HD/HDMI (http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=149&l3=659&l4=0&model=2139&modelmenu=2) it has a GeForce 8 series GPU.
VGA

Integrated NVIDIA GeForce® 8 Series GPU
Hybrid SLI™ Support (support Windows® Vista only.)
Supports HDMI™ Technology with max. resolution up to 1920 x 1200
Supports DVI with max. resolution up to 1920 × 1440 @ 60 MHz
Supports D-Sub with max. resolution up to 1920 × 1440 @ 75 Hz
HDMI/DVI/RGB Support
Supports Microsoft® DirectX 10, OpenGL 2.0, Pixel Shader 4.0
Support PCIe 2.0 / 1.0 Architecture
Maximum shared memory of 512MB
I don't see anything when I go to the download page for that mobo!
http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=M3N-HD/HDMI

You could try one of the archived nVidia drivers, or a beta one.

rjhythloday
05-20-08, 05:00 PM
Plays HD stuff smooth as water. I tested some BD/HD-DVD and they were stutter free.
Are you dual booting.

MichaelZ
05-20-08, 06:34 PM
Are you dual booting.

No.

mythmaster
05-20-08, 10:32 PM
Let us know how the beta 173.08's work ;)

What chipset is reported for VGA controller?

sudo lspci

And device ID?

sudo lspci -nn

orificium
05-21-08, 10:59 AM
Someone over in the Phoronix forums suggested the nvidia 173.08 beta driver should support it which I had thought I had tried before. But I went home yesterday and decided to try again but this time I went into Synaptic and removed some of the nvidia packages mentioning 169.12. Then I shut down X and ran the beta driver install again. Started up X again. I had previously modified the modeline in xorg.conf to be "1920x1080@60". I was so happy when I saw the "NVIDIA" logo flash on my 1080P 46" LCD. :D

Now I think I need to do some tweaking. I went into Nvidia-settings briefly. I noticed Sync on VBlank was enabled which I did not change for now. I've read it should help with performance when disabled.

Currently when I pull up the program guide in Mythtv (paint engine set to QT), it runs super slow when I tried to navigate around. Changing the paint engine to OpenGL makes it even worse. I have to kill the frontend and run mythfrontend --reset (might be one hyphen) to get it back to QT.

Live TV looks awesome. Especially on the local HD channels coming over the Comcast cable line (using QAM256). I've got a PC-HD5500 (which just required cx88-dvb to be added to /etc/modules). Eventually, I want to grab a HDHomeRun.

I've got S/PDIF coaxial on the main connectors in the back of my motherboard but the ASUS M3N-HD/HDMI manual mentions a connector on the board that I can run to an optical S/PDIF that would mount in one of the slots in the case. So I'm looking forward to some high quality surround sound.

rjhythloday
05-21-08, 03:22 PM
Plays HD stuff smooth as water. I tested some BD/HD-DVD and they were stutter free.
Are you dual booting.

No.
I was just wondering how you were getting BD playback in *nix, if it's straight from BD or ripped to hdd?

mythmaster
05-21-08, 06:55 PM
Currently when I pull up the program guide in Mythtv (paint engine set to QT), it runs super slow when I tried to navigate around. Changing the paint engine to OpenGL makes it even worse. I have to kill the frontend and run mythfrontend --reset (might be one hyphen) to get it back to QT.

That's a bug in mythtv. The only workaround I know is to change the video scan to "progressive" before you open the guide.

I'd still like to know what chipset that is (8200?) as "8000 series" is kind of vague...

orificium
05-22-08, 08:22 PM
Let us know how the beta 173.08's work ;)

What chipset is reported for VGA controller?

sudo lspci

And device ID?

sudo lspci -nn

sudo lspci -nn:

00:00.0 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0754] (rev a2)
00:01.0 ISA bridge [0601]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:075d] (rev a2)
00:01.1 SMBus [0c05]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0752] (rev a1)
00:01.2 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0751] (rev a1)
00:01.3 Co-processor [0b40]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0753] (rev a2)
00:01.4 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0568] (rev a1)
00:02.0 USB Controller [0c03]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:077b] (rev a1)
00:02.1 USB Controller [0c03]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:077c] (rev a1)
00:04.0 USB Controller [0c03]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:077d] (rev a1)
00:04.1 USB Controller [0c03]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:077e] (rev a1)
00:06.0 IDE interface [0101]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0759] (rev a1)
00:07.0 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0774] (rev a1)
00:08.0 PCI bridge [0604]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:075a] (rev a1)
00:09.0 IDE interface [0101]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0ad0] (rev a2)
00:0a.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0760] (rev a2)
00:0b.0 PCI bridge [0604]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0569] (rev a1)
00:10.0 PCI bridge [0604]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0778] (rev a1)
00:12.0 PCI bridge [0604]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:075b] (rev a1)
00:13.0 PCI bridge [0604]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:077a] (rev a1)
00:14.0 PCI bridge [0604]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:077a] (rev a1)
00:18.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration [1022:1100]
00:18.1 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map [1022:1101]
00:18.2 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller [1022:1102]
00:18.3 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control [1022:1103]
01:08.0 Multimedia video controller [0400]: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [14f1:8800] (rev 05)
01:08.1 Multimedia controller [0480]: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] [14f1:8801] (rev 05)
01:08.2 Multimedia controller [0480]: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] [14f1:8802] (rev 05)
01:08.4 Multimedia controller [0480]: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [IR Port] [14f1:8804] (rev 05)
01:0a.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Agere Systems FW323 [11c1:5811] (rev 70)
02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:084d] (rev a2)


There is no 084d listed here: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.08/README/appendix-a.html
But it looks like it falls in somewhere around 8300.

mythmaster
05-22-08, 08:47 PM
lol :)

Thanks

It's not at pcidatabase (http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=606), either.

MichaelZ
05-23-08, 09:15 AM
I was just wondering how you were getting BD playback in *nix, if it's straight from BD or ripped to hdd?

A friend of mine who is looking to build a myth setup, brought over his USB drive that had backup rips he uses for his HTPC and he currently plays them via PowerDVD on WinXp system. He wanted to see if mplayer could play the rips and I used the newest SVN and they played perfectly! My mplayer setup passes the audio via the SPDIF and my amp only handles AC3 or DTS so all the rips audio were setup that way (no TrueHd or DTS-HD) and all of them played with no stutter and sounded great! Way cool. :cool: I've got some AVCHD and .mov files I used to figure out the best setting for mplayer and they pretty much worked out of the box, so to speak.
He is now building a myth setup, somewhat like mine.
I used mythubuntu x64 for my OS. My setup also plays OTA HD captures, xvid/divx HD files, H.264, etc. just about anything I throw at it.

chrishoyt
10-20-08, 01:39 AM
Ok so I have this motherboard installed in my system with a Phenom 9850 and a few days ago I noticed a high pitched noise coming from the mainboard. I seems to react to mouse movements and hard drive seeking. I've never had a motherboard do this before and it concerns me. I for sure know its not the power supply, its not the hard drives, its not the Video card, and its not my LCD monitor. I unplugged everything (Vid Card, Sound Card, Hard Drives, Rom Drive) and booted the computer...and well the noise is still there. Some Forums say it may be coil noise, or some sorta deal on the motherboard that is producing a high pitched noise. Im just wondering if any M3N-HD users are having the same issue....

mythmaster
10-20-08, 11:25 AM
If it's reasonably loud, it's probably an overheating alarm. Check the temps in the BIOS.

linux_pro
10-20-08, 02:52 PM
If you hear a whining sound coming from your motherboard, it is most likely coming from the motherboard itself. There are a number of motherboards which use cheaply-made capacitors/transistors/coils/etc that when exposed to a certain voltage will emit extremely annoying "whine." I won't go too in-depth on the topic, since you would need to have a background in electronics to understand what the heck I was talking about, but let's just say that certain electrical devices will emit specific tones at specific voltages due to certain traits of the coils used.

Try removing some RAM from your system and see if it continues. Most likely, the whine will go away. This does not mean you have faulty RAM.

If this works, you can try a few different things (after putting all your RAM back in the system). Since the whine is being caused by the specific voltage being drawn by the RAM, altering the voltage will either reduce or worsen the whine.

I'd suggest the following steps to see if you notice any improvement (and in this order, since I've prioritized them based on safety):

1) Remove half your RAM and reboot, see if whine is still present.
2) If whine continues, try reducing the speed settings for the memory (higher latency, lower the speed, etc)
3) If the whine goes away after step 1, reinstall all memory and try #2.
4) If neither helps, try increasing the voltage for the memory (by smallest increments allowed), until you notice the whine goes away.

Step #4 should resolve your problem, but be careful. Increasing the memory voltage without considering any other factors could damage the mobo/RAM.

Good luck, let me know how it turns out.

waterhead
10-20-08, 07:14 PM
Noises can be caused by a few motherboard components, as linux_pro has already mentioned. If you would like to diagnose it further, there is a forum where the members can be very knowledgeable and helpful in this area.

http://www.badcaps.net/forum/index.php?

I remember this very thing being discussed not too long ago. It was either a FET or a torriod coil, I don't quite remember.

mythmaster
10-20-08, 10:48 PM
Very interesting.

I've gotta tell you, though: if my electronic equipment was being too whiny, then I'd just throw it in a closet with some fans just like I did with "The Entertainment Industry".