When screen shots look like this:

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http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/873/873490/fable-2-20080513085755214.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/853/853504/fable-2-20080220003908929.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/10g087q.jpg

Color me hyped! Day 1 for me.

It's Lionhead. Of course I'll buy it. Hell, I built an entirely new computer because I wanted to play Black And White 2 a while back. :)

Im looking forward to Fable 2. Looks really good. I enjoyed The Lost Chapters for PC quite a bit.

i am as well but its still a long ways off.... unless i see/hear some really bad things about this i will be buying it this fall. even debating buying fable 1 off originals since i havent played it in a long time and dont have an xbox anymore.

this is looking good...no question.

Nothing beats a great RPG.

Never played the first one, but this looks good. Its on my list for now.

because it's not an every gamer game and graphics only mean so much:rolleyes:

the diaries have been nice but so much was talked about for the 1st that wasn't there or didn't work right, people are wondering if this will just be pt2 of that.

If it hits Oct or even this yr I'd be shocked.

best thing is at least you're getting info unlike Alan Wake.

I am really looking forward to the game, I really liked the first one (though I was dissappointed it was so short for an RPG and then there was absolutly nothing to do after making your "choice" at the end of the game....DLC should keep that from being a problem with this version....but I will still be dissappointed if the actual game sans DLC is not a good length).

As for there not being a thread, I think the trickle of information has made for there not to be much to talk about. And the Dev is known for overstating stuff, so I dont think anyone wants to tout something that may not be true. And although, I have little doubt the game will hit this holiday season, that is still a long way off.

I rank Fable up there with my all time favorites. I actually was a little upset when it was all over... pretty sad, huh?

I did purchase Fable: The Lost Chapters am about half way through, looking forward to the extra content in that one.

Can't wait for Fable 2!

Fable was not what I expected, since I actually believed much of Molyneux's hype at the time. That being said, it was a hell of a lot of fun and remains one of my favourite games to date. From what I've heard Fable 2 is at least an order of magnitude bigger out of the box than Fable. This is my most anticipated game this year, without a doubt.

I became a lot less interested once they put guns in it, and then a pet dog. However, I am looking forward to the dog in Fallout 3.

because it's not an every gamer game and graphics only mean so much:rolleyes:

the diaries have been nice but so much was talked about for the 1st that wasn't there or didn't work right, people are wondering if this will just be pt2 of that.

If it hits Oct or even this yr I'd be shocked.

best thing is at least you're getting info unlike Alan Wake.

First of all, every feature of the game they have talked about they have shown. It's not being hyped up like Fable at all.

Second of all, Molyneaux has said it will be out this year, in fact he knows the day it will be out, they just haven't announced it yet. Microsoft is counting on this game for 2008, it will be out.

If I only buy one game in the fall it will be Fable 2.

If I only buy one game in the fall it will be Fable 2.


I second that. The original was probably my 2004 GotY... and one of my favorite xbox titles period.

Should be out later this year. Didn't someone say that the game was "content complete with only about 5000 bugs to work out"? I hope so, because I can't wait.

Some impressions from a journalist(not me) who saw a build from May 7th:

Mini map is dead. Peter hates it. So he made a "bread crump trail". Which is a golden line on the ground that will tell you which direction to go. It works kinda like a GPS system, so it will change if you go another direction, and will guide you in the right direction.

Magic system: You can either do a focused on one person attack, or a ranged attack. You can build up your attack in five levels. These five levels can be combined, so you can have level 1 be a fire spell, and then it builds up and adds level 2, which can be a slow spell, and so on.

There will be 8 different spells in the game.

You can buy every single house in the game. Each house will unlock something new. Either a sidequest, item or a skill

The game is 20-30 times larger then Fable 1.

The weather is completely dynamic, and will change as time progress. There will be different seasons.

Cutscenes are somewhat interactive. You can use the d-pad to do different gestures, and they can change the outcome of conversations. It's not on the scale of Mass Effect, but it can be done so you have some interactivity with the game world.

Peter wanted a sex minigame in there, but they had to drop it, due to the nature of the content. Now the screen just goes black, and your hear some moaning. And yes, you can have unprotected sex.

The female character also came close to being cut. But the female designers on the game wanted her in, so they made it happen.

There is three more Fable games planned. Lionhead is currently working on Fable 2 and a new project. The Black & White studio is no more.

looking forward to this as well . . . showed my usually non-gamer wife the dog element and she showed interest as well. she HATES turn-based rpgs and prefers the real-time thing so if i can get her invested in this, then all will be well.

First of all, every feature of the game they have talked about they have shown. It's not being hyped up like Fable at all.

Second of all, Molyneaux has said it will be out this year, in fact he knows the day it will be out, they just haven't announced it yet. Microsoft is counting on this game for 2008, it will be out.

and you must know his wife's uncle's daughter's friend of a friend who sits next to the man that knows their cousin who knows sister knows that person that knows him or someone in the "supposed' know...
http://i14.piczo.com/view/e/r/6/0/z/9/i/h/j/w/9/img/t147198271_33472_3.gif :rolleyes:

MS is not counting on any 1 game and if so it's not fable2, more like Gears of War 2.

Looks great. But "How dare is there not"?!?!? Man that's close to Anguished English territory...

MS is not counting on any 1 game and if so it's not fable2, more like Gears of War 2.

No, obviously not, but they do have to present a lineup to customers. One game isn't enough to sell a console during Christmas time, especially a 3 year old console. Fable 2 is part of that lineup.

As for your snark about me knowing this guy or that guy... Peter Molyneaux said those exact words ("I know what date it will be on the shelves it just hasn't been made public yet") while presenting the game during GDC I believe. I am sure you can find it on the web if you look for it.

I was SOOOOO close to buying Fable:TLC two days ago because I hadn't ever finished playing the original. Then my fecking 360 went RRoD... :/ I bought warhawk for my PS3 instead.

Can't wait for Fable2... :)

IGN has got a 2-part interview with Molyneux. man is that guy good at hyping up his game. there's definitely some new info, so its totally worth a look.

one thing i liked was his reference towards the option of taking people with you on adventures... both military types & civilians. specifically the notion of charming a beautiful woman & having her tag along during excursions.

it goes without saying, but i can't wait for this F2!

also i like the idea of divorcing skill & weapon/money.


in Fable 2 you can be a kick a$$ master swordsman and only use a trusty old sword. OR you can be a complete noob novice with a the best sword money can buy.

the fact XP & money aren't related is very intuitive system. i always wondered why some slug monster carried around 10g or whatever. the F2 system will reward players looking to grind out a daily job... but allows players looking to experience a true Hero's quest to live a dedicated spartan life.

Looks great. But "How dare is there not"?!?!? Man that's close to Anguished English territory...

LOL!!!!! Best thread title ever!!!:p

"How dare is there not" is the new slang!!!!:p

was going to use "why come there beez no?" but I'll reserve that for a 50cent II: The Real Dollah.

Love it!:p

Color me hyped! Day 1 for me.

Wow, your attitude is much better than your other posts.. *looks up at forum name* nm...

I loved Fable 1 and look forward to 2.

Wow, your attitude is much better than your other posts.. *looks up at forum name* nm...



amusing lil fella, aren't you!

How important is gold in Fable? I preordered the game to get the Pub Games on XBLA, and I am curious how important the gold is. I did not play the first Fable and am just looking for some info.

How important is gold in Fable? I preordered the game to get the Pub Games on XBLA, and I am curious how important the gold is. I did not play the first Fable and am just looking for some info.

Well gold is no longer dropped from enemies after you kill them, so gold must be achieved by doing one of the 4 jobs, or gambling. Gold is used to buy new items and armor, though the best stuff is usually found or dropped by 'bosses'. However seeing how you can purchase any building in the game (houses, shops, castles, dungeons...etc), gold will be important if you want to buy places.


I don't think I'll play the pub games much, I'd rather play the game fresh with what is given too me (probably not much)...where then I'll have to build up my worth and maybe when I buy a castle one day I'll appreciate it more. Oppose to playing the pub games before hand an amassing a fortune even before I step foot in the game.

Requiring gamers to buy other arcade games in order to derive gameplay benefit in the core retail game is a rip-off and fleeces gamers.

I think it's very wrong and is a despicable business practice.

Yes, I feel strongly about this issue.

In other news, what's up with the leaked achievement list? Orgy achievement, for real? :rolleyes:

Huh? ...the pub games are free with a preorder. They'll also be available free in game. Not sure how that could be considered "a despicable business practice". The only reason one would buy them is if the preorder isn't available in their area and they are a big Fable fan.

Plus this is a single player game, therefore there is no derived benefit as you aren't competing against other players. Maybe if this was an MMORPG then you'd have an argument.



Yes...orgies are good, would've made the one I was in even better if I got an achievement for it...

Yes, I realize you can get them "free" if you go ahead and commit to buying the full retail game.

Lionshead to gamers - "We won't rip you off if you go ahead and pay full retail for our game that hasn't been reviewed yet and might be a stinker."

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2008/0707-fable2pubgames.htm

"The Fable II Pub Games will also be available over Xbox LIVE for those that do not pre-order Fable II for 800 Microsoft Points."

It's like charging for DLC before the game is even released.

inadvertent 2x post

Yes, I realize you can get them "free" if you go ahead and commit to buying the full retail game.

Lionshead to gamers - "We won't rip you off if you go ahead and pay full retail for our game that hasn't been reviewed yet and might be a stinker."

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2008/0707-fable2pubgames.htm

"The Fable II Pub Games will also be available over Xbox LIVE for those that do not pre-order Fable II for 800 Microsoft Points."

It's like charging for DLC before the game is even released.
???
If you buy Fable II, then you're able to play the arcade games "for free". If you don't buy Fable II then you have to pay for the arcade games, just like any other arcade game.

What's wrong with that?

Pre-order, get code, cancel pre-order. Presto change-o...free pub games! Won't most Fable faithful pre-order anyway?

Looks great. But "How dare is there not"?!?!? Man that's close to Anguished English territory...

I was thinking the same thing....I am no English major but Damn.


Oh by the way I also am looking forward to this game. Fable was great.

I bought an Xbox for Fable.

Perhaps I'll need a 360 for Fable 2?

So what stores are doing the pre-order-and-get-a-code thing? I know that Gamestop is, but I'd rather not deal with them. Best Buy's website makes no mention of it, or at least yesterday it didn't. FYE, where I could get 10% off of the game, doesn't even have Fable II on their website.

Thanks.

i went to gamestop and i didnt see mention of it, and i remember seeing it before(they must have sold out)
amazon.com still has the codes, i just placed an order a few minutes ago and they have the special edition too.

So is anyone besides me actually playing the Pub Games?.. They're ok... Definitely not worth 10 bucks... So far they're fun aside from the "Slots" type game which is pretty much...... Slots.

I still feel the computer 'cheats' somehow, especially on the Tower game. Either that or I have ridiculously bad luck. :mad:

i actually had pretty good luck with the tower game... but i played it pretty conservatively. this was the demo though. am going to preorder but havent yet.

So is anyone besides me actually playing the Pub Games?.. They're ok... Definitely not worth 10 bucks... So far they're fun aside from the "Slots" type game which is pretty much...... Slots.

I still feel the computer 'cheats' somehow, especially on the Tower game. Either that or I have ridiculously bad luck. :mad:

I played them a bit last night. Tower and Keystone are ok but I agree that 800 pts is way too much. Keystone was real easy to get into with its mix of roulette and craps.

just wondering but how long does it take to get your pub game codes from amazon? i ordered it from them since my local game places dont have the pub codes. amazon still listed it as having the codes but says supplies are limited. just wondering incase i need to cancel the preorder.

I liked the games in the first Fable more, the Tower one was okay though.

I bought an Xbox for Fable.

Perhaps I'll need a 360 for Fable 2?

Now would be a great time to use your original xbox as a media extender if you haven't already. Get a Jasper based 360 and play both versions.
Fable 1 is BC so your good.

Now would be a great time to use your original xbox as a media extender if you haven't already. Get a Jasper based 360 and play both versions.
Fable 1 is BC so your good.

Sold the old box a while ago when I needed money. Currently using my PS3(don't hurt me) for streaming from the PC.

Waiting until price drop on the 360's before I pick one up :)

http://media.xbox360.gamespy.com/media/741/741361/vids_1.html

A video showing off the diff enviornments. I love the art style and the lighting. The best for me however is the music.

I'm not sure I'll be getting Fable 2 (the original just didn't do anything for me, I disliked the combat quite a bit and ended up preferring Jade Empire which I believe was out at the same time). That being said, I tried the pub games today, and the slots one was boring, keystone I'd rather actually play craps, but the cards one was very fun. Not worth $10, but still.

fable had some of the worst colision detection I ever saw. Arrows stuck in space all over the place

Has anyone who ordered from Amazon got their code yet? I ordered on the 14th and haven't heard anything yet.

I pre-ordered the limited edition or whatever from Amazon a long time ago and I recieved my code last week.

Has anyone who ordered from Amazon got their code yet? I ordered on the 14th and haven't heard anything yet.

i emailed them about it and they said they are giving them out in the next couple days, i preordered on the 13th

Just got my code tonight. Unfortunately, I just sent my 360 in this morning for its 3rd repair. Absolutely love it as a gaming machine, but the quality has been horrible. Do they ever just replace these multiple RROD machines with new ones?

How does this game compare to Oblivion? (becuase i did not like Oblivion at all) I am very new to RPG games, the only one i played was WOW (which i enjoyed, but took up way to much of my time). From looking at gameplay videos, i think i will like this game.
Also (i know its not out yet) but how will this RPG compare to Fallout 3 (besides different story's).. I appreciate your help ( as i said, i am very very new to RPG's)

Thanks ,
-J

(i know its not out yet)

Fable 2 isn't out yet either.

Fable 2 isn't out yet either.

I know, but i assume its similar to Fable 1 (i have not played that or seen any game play on it)

Also (i know its not out yet) but how will this RPG compare to Fallout 3 (besides different story's)

I actually think Fallout 3 will be closer to an Oblivion type game than Fable 2as Fallout 3 is being developed by the same folks that did Oblivion. I would say that Fable 2 is more of a 3rd person hack and slash game, but with a good dose of rpg.

Before Fable, I was a lot more into turn-based RPG. I scoffed at the action-RPG. Fable totally changed me.

I'm not sure what it was about Oblivion, but I just couldn't get into it. It seemed like a game that I should have really liked. Maybe it was just so overwhelming and required so much time. Fable was a much more manageable scope and took around 15 hours if I remember right. Fighting and magic is very simplistic. To me, it was just a lot different than Oblivion. Best advice I would give is look for a used copy of Fable. I picked up a new copy with the additional content (Lost Chapters) at Circuit City for $5 a few months ago... you can easily find it for $10.

I actually think Fallout 3 will be closer to an Oblivion type game than Fable 2as Fallout 3 is being developed by the same folks that did Oblivion. I would say that Fable 2 is more of a 3rd person hack and slash game, but with a good dose of rpg.

I believe it also uses the Oblivion engine so it should be very similiar.

Before Fable, I was a lot more into turn-based RPG. I scoffed at the action-RPG. Fable totally changed me.

I'm not sure what it was about Oblivion, but I just couldn't get into it. It seemed like a game that I should have really liked. Maybe it was just so overwhelming and required so much time. Fable was a much more manageable scope and took around 15 hours if I remember right. Fighting and magic is very simplistic. To me, it was just a lot different than Oblivion. Best advice I would give is look for a used copy of Fable. I picked up a new copy with the additional content (Lost Chapters) at Circuit City for $5 a few months ago... you can easily find it for $10.

Thank you. Its good to know that someone who didnt enjoy Oblivion enjoyed Fable..

Thanks again

-J

I enjoyed both Fable and Oblivion, I've spent at least 400+hrs on Oblivion. I hope Fable2 is a bit longer than Fable with more side quests...

After the disappointment that Fable 1 was for me...I think I will hold off a bit on Fable 2 until I know what was delivered -vs- what was promised.

Keeping fingers crossed because I really like this style of game.

I got in on the pre-order special Amazon had where the special edition was 66 bucks. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me. I can't wait for the game.

Anyone have any idea on how long Fable 2 will be? Curious how long the story is and then how long it is with all the side quests. That's a big determining factor on whether I buy it or not--especially with Fallout 3 coming out (which hopefully is as long as Oblivion)

I'll wait for some of you guys to post a hands-on review. The guns and being forced to have the dog really deflate my interest in the game, though oddly I want to find the dog in Fallout 3, go figure.

The first Fable had a lot of fun in it, not quite as open as I would have liked and it was a little disappointing that by the end of the game you pretty much had to crossover skills to be successful - you could have wildly different characters at low levels, but by the highest levels you had to pretty much have some specific things to be successful, cutting down the variety.

I'll wait for some of you guys to post a hands-on review. The guns and being forced to have the dog really deflate my interest in the game, though oddly I want to find the dog in Fallout 3, go figure.

The first Fable had a lot of fun in it, not quite as open as I would have liked and it was a little disappointing that by the end of the game you pretty much had to crossover skills to be successful - you could have wildly different characters at low levels, but by the highest levels you had to pretty much have some specific things to be successful, cutting down the variety.

The dog CAN permenantly die, so just kill it if you do not like it.

The dog CAN permenantly die, so just kill it if you do not like it.

The dog can die in Fallout 3, but you can't kill the dog in Fable.

Just read that Fable 2 will not be shipping with some of the multiplayer features that were promised...and that the contents of the Colectors Editions have been scaled back from what was originally planned...however the price for the CE was lowered by $10.00.

Wonder what else will be missing. :)

Peter Molyneux sticking with tradition it seems. =P

Just read that Fable 2 will not be shipping with some of the multiplayer features that were promised...and that the contents of the Colectors Editions have been scaled back from what was originally planned...however the price for the CE was lowered by $10.00.

Wonder what else will be missing. :)

Peter Molyneux sticking with tradition it seems. =P

I thought it wasnt shipping w/ some multiplayer features becuase they need to work out some bugs, and it will come later on w/ updates.

I thought it wasnt shipping w/ some multiplayer features becuase they need to work out some bugs, and it will come later on w/ updates.

Yeah that is most likely the case....

Its just funny to me....if you follow any of Peter Molyneux's history in video games there is a pattern of always promising more than delivering...course that can be said about alot of game producers and designers...its just that its something he is especially known for...Fable 1 was a prime example.

Yeah that is most likely the case....

Its just funny to me....if you follow any of Peter Molyneux's history in video games there is a pattern of always promising more than delivering...course that can be said about alot of game producers and designers...its just that its something he is especially known for...Fable 1 was a prime example.

They took out the little hobgoblin guy and fate cards. Extra content should still be there. No multiplayer will be avail for the first week.

I can't believe they crapped the bed on the co-op. Even a week late is unacceptable. For many folks this is the main reason we wanted the game. The E3 presentation of that feature was SICK. They should delay the overall release date. This is releasing a buggy, incomplete game and that is unacceptable. I was going to pre-order but now I will wait for official word that the co-op is there and that the reviews are great.

Anyone have any idea on how long Fable 2 will be? Curious how long the story is and then how long it is with all the side quests. That's a big determining factor on whether I buy it or not--especially with Fallout 3 coming out (which hopefully is as long as Oblivion)


Molyneux said in one interview that if you played the main quest onlt, straight through, it would take 13 hours. Of course there are numerous side quests, and multiplayer. I suspect I will have little interest in the multiplayer part so I hope to get at least 20 hours out of it...

I can't believe they crapped the bed on the co-op. Even a week late is unacceptable. For many folks this is the main reason we wanted the game. The E3 presentation of that feature was SICK. They should delay the overall release date. This is releasing a buggy, incomplete game and that is unacceptable. I was going to pre-order but now I will wait for official word that the co-op is there and that the reviews are great.

Well I always believed in the theory that on the internet the smaller the issue the bigger the reaction will be and your post backs up that assumption. I think you're being a bit stubborn and childish for changing your whole attitude about the game because a feature won't be present at launch but rather a week or so later. I mean come on, really? Unacceptable? It's a week late, not forever excluded. I'd figure you would have overreacted more about the Limited Edition being basically put to pasture more than this. Someone needs to put things in perspective.

Well I always believed in the theory that on the internet the smaller the issue the bigger the reaction will be and your post backs up that assumption. I think you're being a bit stubborn and childish for changing your whole attitude about the game because a feature won't be present at launch but rather a week or so later. I mean come on, really? Unacceptable? It's a week late, not forever excluded. I'd figure you would have overreacted more about the Limited Edition being basically put to pasture more than this. Someone needs to put things in perspective.

he wants the promised feature. Look at battlefield: bc. The best mode wasn't even there after a month of playing. This is a big deal to people

I understand that but overeaction isn't the answer. They said they want it out very soon after launch. If it's a week what's the problem? If it turns into a month or longer then maybe there's an issue to be had but all indications are that a title update will happen very soon after the game hits retail. I don't see the reason to make it such a big deal. It's not like Peter has ever promised us features before and had to cut back...

:rolleyes:

I understand that but overeaction isn't the answer. They said they want it out very soon after launch. If it's a week what's the problem? If it turns into a month or longer then maybe there's an issue to be had but all indications are that a title update will happen very soon after the game hits retail. I don't see the reason to make it such a big deal. It's not like Peter has ever promised us features before and had to cut back...

:rolleyes:

I am just waiting for them to put a gamerpoint pricetag on the online coop update :p;).

I just finished Fable on PC. Overall, I was mega-disappointed. Weak, slapdash story...a bunch of cobbled together game conventions that didn't belong (enough with the card obsession). Tiny little environments with load times that shouldn't have even been there. Graphics and sound were awe inspiring, though...it was one of those rare games that I liked right away and grew to dislike the longer I played it.

Anyway, Fable II will need a great storyline and more open environments for me to get into it. Maybe I've just been spoiled by Morrowind and Bioware's stuff?

Well I always believed in the theory that on the internet the smaller the issue the bigger the reaction will be and your post backs up that assumption. I think you're being a bit stubborn and childish for changing your whole attitude about the game because a feature won't be present at launch but rather a week or so later. I mean come on, really? Unacceptable? It's a week late, not forever excluded. I'd figure you would have overreacted more about the Limited Edition being basically put to pasture more than this. Someone needs to put things in perspective.

The problem I have is that they sold the game on this feature. Any interview, press, pub, etc. around this game heavily talked about this "revolutionary" feature. Its like McDonald's heavily advertising a bacon cheesberger...that is actually sold with no bacon. But you can go back a week later and pick up 2 slices. Its bs.

And what happens if this becomes the norm? Its a horrible precedent to set and we need to stand up to it.

The problem I have is that they sold the game on this feature. Any interview, press, pub, etc. around this game heavily talked about this "revolutionary" feature. Its like McDonald's heavily advertising a bacon cheesberger...that is actually sold with no bacon. But you can go back a week later and pick up 2 slices. Its bs.

And what happens if this becomes the norm? Its a horrible precedent to set and we need to stand up to it.

it is bs, you're right. Why not just push it back a week and release the whole package? And to the guy above who had issues with Fable 1, you're not alone. It did some things very well, but it had some major issues. I'm waiting on reviews of this and fallout 3. I'm hoping fallout is close to a 10, which I think it will be and that will make my decision easy

They're shooting for day 1 release, as per Peter. You'll live a few days without co-op. The internet is a whiner/over exaggerators paradise, I swear.

They're shooting for day 1 release, as per Peter. You'll live a few days without co-op. The internet is a whiner/over exaggerators paradise, I swear.

I know, there's even people out there that whine about the whiners.

I know, there's even people out there that whine about the whiners.

can i whine about the whiners who whine about whiners... my head hurts...

Anyway, i am excited about this game. I need a RPG i can enjoy.

http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v16/immorak/LiveJournal/whaaaaambulance_whine.jpg

And what happens if this becomes the norm? Its a horrible precedent to set and we need to stand up to it.It is also happening with an online aspect of Little Big Planet, a game for the PS3. There is a level editor that allows people to build a level cooperatively over the Playstation Network that is being held back until after release. So it very well may be becoming the norm.

Every time I see the title of this thread, a part of me dies.

it is bs, you're right. Why not just push it back a week and release the whole package? And to the guy above who had issues with Fable 1, you're not alone. It did some things very well, but it had some major issues. I'm waiting on reviews of this and fallout 3. I'm hoping fallout is close to a 10, which I think it will be and that will make my decision easyVariety just reported on the "letter" released to the press along with the review code of the game. Sounds like the game will be a lot like it's predecessor: unfulfilled promises. Not good. Not good at all.
http://weblogs.variety.com/the_cut_scene/2008/10/peter-moores-re.html

Every time I see the title of this thread, a part of me dies.

Couldn't agree more! I mean...how dare is some one so bad at engrish that they created that title!? I honestly wish this thread would die and we could start a new one so I wouldn't have to look at it.

Variety just reported on the "letter" released to the press along with the review code of the game. Sounds like the game will be a lot like it's predecessor: unfulfilled promises. Not good. Not good at all.
http://weblogs.variety.com/the_cut_scene/2008/10/peter-moores-re.html

What is so unfulfilled? you're getting the co-op. Would you rather have a half assed co-op system at launch that could be downright horrible but you can feel comfortable about it because it's there or wait a few days for one to be delivered that works well?

What is so unfulfilled? you're getting the co-op. Would you rather have a half assed co-op system at launch that could be downright horrible but you can feel comfortable about it because it's there or wait a few days for one to be delivered that works well?It's a very bad sign for other much smaller design issues when a major one isn't ready at launch. If I bought a new car and the dealer told me that the transmission is "coming soon," I wouldn't just be worried about the transmission. I'd be worried that there are more than a few bolts loose.

They're trying desperately to beat Fallout 3 to market (by a mere week) and hit early in the holiday season. Peter and co. would be much better off waiting to release a much more polished experience, but they're apparently slaves to the release schedule.

I had been very excited for this game. I enjoyed parts of the first Fable a lot, but it had some very (very, very) serious problems. I had hoped that Fable II would fix those. And it probably has. But not without introducing new ones. I hope I'm wrong, but now I'll wait for multiple reviews and player feedback before I decide whether or not to pick it up.

lol Peter already prepping reviewers to take the online coop exclusion into account. I have a feeling this isn't going to end well

Variety just reported on the "letter" released to the press along with the review code of the game. Sounds like the game will be a lot like it's predecessor: unfulfilled promises. Not good. Not good at all.
http://weblogs.variety.com/the_cut_scene/2008/10/peter-moores-re.html

Interesting.

As much as I hate most game reviewers and review sites....In this case I side with the review sties. They should review the game as is...if they review it at release then review it as is... Companies expecting people and reviewers to "wait" for something/patch that for all we know is vaporware is wrong and would set a bad precedence in an already questionable art of reviewing games.

Form the sounds of the letter they sent...I get the feeling they know they will be getting bad reviews.

Form the sounds of the letter they sent...I get the feeling they know they will be getting bad reviews.And Peter M.'s earlier "9/10" rating of his own forthcoming game doesn't help matters! Why would you say that?! You can say that kind of stuff after release, but never before!!

I understand if you don't think your work is perfect, but how many hundreds of people working for you depend on you to sell your game as best as you can? Not to mention his own corporate overlords at MS. Totally irresponsible. That earlier statement combined with this (very unusual in the industry) letter paints a very bad publicity picture of the game--regardless of whether it actually ends up being great or not.

And Peter M.'s earlier "9/10" rating of his own forthcoming game doesn't help matters! Why would you say that?! You can say that kind of stuff after release, but never before!!

I understand if you don't think your work is perfect, but how many hundreds of people working for you depend on you to sell your game as best as you can? Not to mention his own corporate overlords at MS. Totally irresponsible. That earlier statement combined with this (very unusual in the industry) letter paints a very bad publicity picture of the game--regardless of whether it actually ends up being great or not.

Its just par for the course for him.

He may be a genius or pioneer in video game design/ideas but he really should stay out of the marketing end of things =P

Watching an interview with him never leaves me with a good impression.

Its like where I work...we have some really bright people working in IR&D...but we keep them in the basement and away from marketing.

TV ad: http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/fable-ii/fable-ii-trailer/1251513

TV ad: http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/fable-ii/fable-ii-trailer/1251513

wow, that was pretty lame. No gameplay footage at all. Cool theatricals I guess, but nothing else. I don't know man, I think this one is going to be a major disappointment

wow, that was pretty lame. No gameplay footage at all. Cool theatricals I guess, but nothing else. I don't know man, I think this one is going to be a major disappointment

I am really crossing my fingers on this one.

After two very recent major disappointments for me...Too Human and Force Unleashed....I am hoping for something to actually live up to expectations.

I'm expecting a good RPG that's well thought out with good combat and presentation (graphics/audio). Not the 2nd coming or a revolution of the RPG genre as Peter might have hyped it upto be and/or people bought into. So my expectation will be based on that. Your base of expectations will utimately determine your level of satisfaction.

Having said that, it is just as wrong to set expectations very low and be thrilled by mediocrity vs sky high and impossible to meet.

I am really crossing my fingers on this one.

After two very recent major disappointments for me...Too Human and Force Unleashed....I am hoping for something to actually live up to expectations.that'll be Fallout 3

because if I base my expectations off of what I saw in the first game, this next game is going to be pretty mediocre

because if I base my expectations off of what I saw in the first game, this next game is going to be pretty mediocre

Then it looks like you've saved yourself $60 or better yet, could use that time and money on a diff game that would be satisfactory. Win win. You're not owed anything. That's why you vote with your wallet.

Probably best to either move on or wait on reviews/gameplay feedback than trying to get people rallyed to your expectations.

because if I base my expectations off of what I saw in the first game, this next game is going to be pretty mediocre

Actually its because of my experience with Fable 1 that my expectations for Fable 2 are pretty mediocre to low. So I will most likely not be as disappointed with #2 than I was with #1. So far its just the co-op online stuff and the CE stuff that will know will be missing...stuff I could care less about...especially for a RPG.

Its all the other mountain of goodies he has hyped or talked about that we have yet to see or not see.

I treat what Peter M says or promises much like i treat what a politician says or promises =P

Co-op patch on Day 1.....well played Peter.

http://community.lionhead.com/blogs/fable_2_development/archive/2008/10/09/3107261.aspx

"Remember a couple of days ago (or was it a week) where on a blog it was mentioned that Fable II would be shipping 'without' Online Co-op? And remember we said we were busting our balls to get it ready in time for a 'Day One' release? Well - news folks! It looks like we've done it...for all of you who are connected to Xbox Live, when starting up your copy of Fable II (on 21st October in USA, 24th October in Europe and 18th December in Japan). So all of you getting upset and all, you wouldn't even have noticed... Sort of. Well done to the team."

Co-op patch on Day 1.....well played Peter.

http://community.lionhead.com/blogs/fable_2_development/archive/2008/10/09/3107261.aspx

"Remember a couple of days ago (or was it a week) where on a blog it was mentioned that Fable II would be shipping 'without' Online Co-op? And remember we said we were busting our balls to get it ready in time for a 'Day One' release? Well - news folks! It looks like we've done it...for all of you who are connected to Xbox Live, when starting up your copy of Fable II (on 21st October in USA, 24th October in Europe and 18th December in Japan). So all of you getting upset and all, you wouldn't even have noticed... Sort of. Well done to the team."The letter sent to reviewers already says as much. If that sounds like "good news," remember that a day-1 patched feature must have been under a tremendous time-crunch and likely didn't receive the amount of polish and bug testing that other content would--especially for such a major feature as this.

Also, as that Variety article points out, it means that reviewers will be reviewing a very different game than what gamers get. Reviewers are faced with two unpleasant options: 1) Review the game in its current state without co-op, missing out on one of the game's primary selling points, or 2) Waiting until after release day to review the game with co-op, thereby missing out on a review site's surest way to get hits: prompt/early reviews.

Again, the game could end up being great, but even if it is, this day-1 feature patch is not a good thing for anyone.

EDIT: Dude, you missed the most important line in the Lionhead blog post:Taken into account we don't fail certification! They haven't even passed MS certification yet! The Castle Crashers patch to fix co-op has been stuck in certification now for almost two weeks. If MS rushes through certification of Fable's patch, we can be sure it'll still have more than a few rough spots. Yes, I know Lionhead has their own internal QA, but the MS side would be better able to double-check Xbox Live issues, which is what co-op depends on. Not good.

Co-op patch on Day 1.....well played Peter.

http://community.lionhead.com/blogs/fable_2_development/archive/2008/10/09/3107261.aspx

"Remember a couple of days ago (or was it a week) where on a blog it was mentioned that Fable II would be shipping 'without' Online Co-op? And remember we said we were busting our balls to get it ready in time for a 'Day One' release? Well - news folks! It looks like we've done it...for all of you who are connected to Xbox Live, when starting up your copy of Fable II (on 21st October in USA, 24th October in Europe and 18th December in Japan). So all of you getting upset and all, you wouldn't even have noticed... Sort of. Well done to the team."

Oh yeah, we can trust Peter. :) He hasn't misled us before now has he? And he could be using this as a proactive strike. If MS Certification on the patch delays the release of it he can say MS did it and not him.

And I find his letter to the reviewers such a cop out. I'm waiting for reviews of the entire game (co-op included) before I purchase it. And if Fallout III comes out before that time I may never get around to playing Fable II. :)

i feel burned from fable 1. i'll probably get around to getting 2 but probably well into next year.

i feel burned from fable 1. i'll probably get around to getting 2 but probably well into next year.

As I did not own Fable I, what is was so bad and dissappointing about the first one?

Just curious as a Fable newcomer.

I remember reading a while back that the single player story is only 10-11 hours long. Doesn't that seem kinda short for a game of this caliber?

As I did not own Fable I, what is was so bad and dissappointing about the first one?

Just curious as a Fable newcomer.Very similar to what's happening now.

Peter M. kept hyping and hyping and appearing in every major video game outlet ad nauseum talking about how you could "do anything."

But speaking objectively, the game was released way too soon with too many unfinished, unpolished features. Lionhead put so much in there that they had no time to refine anything, including very important features. For example, most famously, there's no balance in armor types. No matter what you specialize in (magic, skill, strength), there's one suit of armor that is the best. Supposedly this has been fixed.

Now, it's starting to sound like Fable 2 is hitting the same problems. Molyneau said they had to hold off on including co-op because they needed to focus on refining single-player prior to release. Sounds very familiar to those of us who followed the first game's release.

Other things wrong with Fable 1 include: tons of quest completion bugs, less than ideal framerate, pointless tasks (emotions, marriage, sneaking, buying real estate), god-awful camera, and so on. They released a "lost chapters" edition that fixed a bunch of the bugs and included a few extra features/quests. But the damage had been done.

Now Peter's starting to back-pedal a bit just prior to release of Fable 2. First, the "9/10" rating. Then, this letter to the press about the late co-op. Now, in an interview with Kotaku, he's talking about how he's not trying to make an RPG; instead, he's making a game that "anyone" can pick up and play.

Frankly, I don't think he knows what he's doing. He may be a decent designer, but he sure doesn't know how to steer the ship.

I remember reading a while back that the single player story is only 10-11 hours long. Doesn't that seem kinda short for a game of this caliber?That was the length of the first game, too. Wouldn't be surprised.

I think some people here need to temper their need to vent and give the benefit of the doubt to Peter and actually play the game before setting expectations. I mean really, attitudes here change so fast sometimes it's funny.

Fable 2 is a first day purchase for me. The first game was hardly perfect, but I loved the gameplay and story--it was the first RPG that I've ever been able to get into. Character management bores me silly and Fable found a way to streamline that. I played it through in virtually a single sitting, rested for a day, then played it from beginning to end again, collecting every key, opening every spirit-door that didn't require me to do anything evil and maximizing my character in every conceivable way so that by the final boss battle I was easily bitch-slapping the guy around, casually taking aim on his "whirlwind" form with an augmented bow while his minions bounced off my magical shields, popping a nearly endless supply of mana potions as needed :D. It's definitely one of my two or three favorite games of all time.

In contrast, I put down Oblivion after a few hours, as it was starting to put me to sleep. Too many decisions to make about equiping and augmenting my character (from choosing one of the 10 races, variety of birthsigns and professions, etc) and I just can't force myself to care. Fallout 3 looks 10 times more interesting storywise, but I will probably skip it if I have to go through the same hefty character management burden.

EDIT: I just watched a gameplay demo of Fallout 3 at Gamespot (apparently posted last month). While it does have hints of the thick character management in Oblivion it also looks pretty cool. I'll wait until the reviews come out, but I might have to pick it up :).

fable 1, I'll never forget how linear that game was. No freedom whatsoever. And I'll also never forget shooting arrows at enemies and having them stick into nothing 2 feet from the nearest object, protruding hideously. And the lightning magic was a joke. Your character became uber jedi warrior with it within about ten minutes! But we actually had a good time with the game. It had its entertaining moments

Yeah, I think I can guess why the Fable games are so short. If the game lasted any longer, the abilities would be seriously unbalanced. They're just not built to develop over long periods of time. It's good for what it is, but not for what it isn't.

I think some people here need to temper their need to vent and give the benefit of the doubt to Peter and actually play the game before setting expectations. I mean really, attitudes here change so fast sometimes it's funny.

Perhaps...but we do have plenty of "info" provided by Peter and co about Fable 2. We know its probably going to be a short game...depending on which interview you read..its somewhere around 10-12 hours.

For an RPG that is really short....and if Fable 2 is anything like Fable 1 it will have almost no replay value.

Of course is Fable 2 a RPG or not?...alot of conflicting info from Peter and co on that as well.

For me Fable 2 is at best a rental.

Perhaps...but we do have plenty of "info" provided by Peter and co about Fable 2. We know its probably going to be a short game...depending on which interview you read..its somewhere around 10-12 hours.

For an RPG that is really short....and if Fable 2 is anything like Fable 1 it will have almost no replay value.

Of course is Fable 2 a RPG or not?...alot of conflicting info from Peter and co on that as well.

For me Fable 2 is at best a rental.

For me it's seems like an entertaining action RPG that provides many options for playing in addition to expanding on the lore the first game set up. Does it need to be a 40hr adventure? How much replay value do people expect? For me it's a perfect game in that I can get some time in with it in relatively short bursts and actually finish it in a somewhat short time period. Having children has definitely changed my attitudes about game length and the need for "replay value". Fable 2 is a keeper by my standards.

The 10-12 hour estimate is if you barrel through the story without any unnecessary exploration or taking on any of the side quests. You'd have to have no imagination or curiousity to play any "sandbox" RPG in that fashion. It's not the single player campaign of one of the myriad indistinguishable-from-one-another shooters out there.

The 10-12 hour estimate is if you barrel through the story without any unnecessary exploration or taking on any of the side quests. You'd have to have no imagination or curiousity to play any "sandbox" RPG in that fashion. It's not the single player campaign of one of the myriad indistinguishable-from-one-another shooters out there.


Yes, I am hoping Fable 2 "non main story" content is well done. If done correctly it can lead to alot of replay value.

As much as I enjoyed Mass Effect....I was very disappointed in their "side missions".

Of course on the other hand...I do not like the other exreme...which I thought Oblivion went too far on...too much "openness" for me leads to boredom and makes me lose any sense of purpose within the game.

RPG has to be one of the hardest style of games to design...everybody has a different take on it.

Originally Posted by Ryan_OXM:
Yes, I can confirm that we gave it a 9.5. It's about that time where the first kid that lives near the post office next to our shipping warehouse would get the December issue. :)

I did the review (I also reviewed Fable 1 for us). I abso-f'ing-lutely loved the game.

Originally Posted by Ryan_OXM:
Yes, I can confirm that we gave it a 9.5. It's about that time where the first kid that lives near the post office next to our shipping warehouse would get the December issue. :)

I did the review (I also reviewed Fable 1 for us). I abso-f'ing-lutely loved the game.That was posted here (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13208692#post13208692), if anyone's interested in seeing it in context.

EDIT: BTW, someone in that NeoGAF thread gave this (http://fable2.xbox.com/experience.aspx?lang=en-US) link to a little Fable 2 site with a little point-and-click RPG that you can play out and win a prize (deliverable in Fable 2, when you buy it). Cute :).

Are any full reviews up? I'm not sure if I want to get it or not, but if so I wouldn't mind still getting in on the $10 off pre-order through Amazon, but don't want to commit if it's not well received.

Are any full reviews up? I'm not sure if I want to get it or not, but if so I wouldn't mind still getting in on the $10 off pre-order through Amazon, but don't want to commit if it's not well received.There may be some reviews that go up by launch, but remember reviewers do not currently have code that includes online co-op. Many big sites may wait until the feature is patched in before finalizing their reviews.

Found a very cool comment from someone who has the game early regarding orbs in the game. From Neogaf:

Originally Posted by Cocopjojo:
There is something seriously awesome about traveling by yourself for hours; fighting and questing in the middle of nowhere - and then seeing three orbs on the path up ahead. And stopping to chat with them for a bit. : )

Despite my reservations, early word floating around seems to be surprisingly positive. Sounds like there's a lot more focus on the non-RPG features this time around. Supposedly, not much has changed on the fighting/questing front, but it's much improved over its predecessor on the sexing/drinking/farting front.

My excitement for this game's returning.

well, i just bought the 1st Fable.. I plan on playing that one for a bit before i decide to pick this one up or not.

-J

Review from Edge!

Edge gave Fable II a 9. Saying, "Fable II is Lionhead's greatest achievement to date, being both a coherent, onward-rushing adventure story that ranks with the best videogames can offer, and a beguiling patchwork of characters and side quests that continually waylay your progress."

"It's a game that builds gradually and then becomes irresistible, a beautiful lump of an RPG that continues beyond the close of its main campaign, and will have you thinking about it when you're not at your 360. With Fable II, there's only really one key choice: whether to play it or not. And that should be the easiest decision in Albion to make."


Remember, they didn't even get to play the co-op!

Well, i still have fable 1 on the way (i am new to the world of Xbox). I know the game isnt out, but is the game style going to be similar (RPG), or is the new one supposed to be a totally new experience?

Thanks,
-J

Well, i still have fable 1 on the way (i am new to the world of Xbox). I know the game isnt out, but is the game style going to be similar (RPG), or is the new one supposed to be a totally new experience?

Thanks,
-J


Fable is a real time (non-turn-based) RPG and the sequel is as well, with many improvements made. Fable II is set 500 years in the future of the first game and apparently with no Hero's Guild, the addition of some circa-American-revolution firearms as ranged weapons. The player character (who, unlike the first game, can be male or female at your choice) has a large dog as a constant companion and a single-button contextual sword combat system has been implemented. (Molyneaux seems mighty proud of both those features).

I enjoyed the first game tremendously, despite its shortcomings, and this sequel looks to improve on it.

You bought a disc of Fable? You could have downloaded it from XBL as an "Xbox Original". Of course, at this point, a used disc might well be cheaper (and the Xbox Original version doesn't seem to include "the Lost Chapters" :rolleyes:).

Fable is a real time (non-turn-based) RPG and the sequel is as well, with many improvements made. Fable II is set 500 years in the future of the first game and apparently with no Hero's Guild, the addition of some circa-American-revolution firearms as ranged weapons. The player character (who, unlike the first game, can be male or female at your choice) has a large dog as a constant companion and a single-button contextual sword combat system has been implemented. (Molyneaux seems mighty proud of both those features).

I enjoyed the first game tremendously, despite its shortcomings, and this sequel looks to improve on it.


Thanks for the info.

As for the disc, i got it brand new (according to the site) for $10 shipped. I dont want to use to much space on my already tight 20gb hard drive. I really wish xbox was able to upgrade hd like the ps3 (i have a 320 gb in there) but that is another discussion.

I forgot about the guns, blech.

I want to see feedback in a review about the controls, and especially the one-button combat. Everytime I think about getting the game I read about or remember something that puts me off.

I was lucky enough to get a copy last night, shipped from newegg last wednesday. They broke the release date for 12 hours or so until it was shutdown, for whatever reason. Anyways, after some hours last night and this morning I'm finding Fable2 extremely well done, addicting and polished. Never experienced the first one, so I can't give any comparisons.

OXM gave it a 9.5 and pretty much nothing bad in the review. Then again, they did give Mass Effect and GTA4 10's

OXM gave it a 9.5 and pretty much nothing bad in the review. Then again, they did give Mass Effect and GTA4 10'sOXM is notably lenient, particularly when it come to Microsoft Studio titles, like Mass Effect and Fable II. (And you can't judge anything by Mass Effect's--there are hoards of RPG fans for whom Bioware can do no wrong :rolleyes:). I'll be more impressed by positive reviews from other sources, particularly those who've been historically critical of the Xbox and Xbox 360.

OXM is notably lenient, particularly when it come to Microsoft Studio titles, like Mass Effect and Fable II. (And you can't judge anything by Mass Effect's--there are hoards of RPG fans for whom Bioware can do no wrong :rolleyes:). I'll be more impressed by positive reviews from other sources, particularly those who've been historically critical of the Xbox and Xbox 360.

Edge gave Fable 2 a 9/10...

Hey Guys just got my copy today.

I played the first one and found it to be a fun little game although not a classic. I won't be posting my reaction until tomorrow. Going to play Little Big Planet tonight!

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Well I think I'll be picking up Fable 2 launch day and then too human after that.
I loved the first one despite all its flaws..
I'd have to say the fire magic made you pretty uber pretty quick.

Here is a video review by a user posted over at Gamefaqs (but the video is on youtube).
Its actually a pretty good, well thought out review and could give some people on the fence an idea if they will like it or not. He made it spoiler free.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP8fH3Iq6AI&fmt=18

Basically he says if you didnt like Fable1 you probably wont like Fable2 and explains both plus and minuses of the game.

I've played for about an hour.

The production values are extremely high on this game. The voiceover work is excellent.

You feel as if you are playing with in a mature animated Disney film.

The soundtrack is also excellent. Gameplay is very clean and responsive. Graphics look great and the frame rate is excellent. The frame rate has not gotten choppy at all. Very fluid and smooth.

Excellent so far.

I've played for about an hour.

The production values are extremely high on this game. The voiceover work is excellent.

You feel as if you are playing with in a mature animated Disney film.

The soundtrack is also excellent. Gameplay is very clean and responsive. Graphics look great and the frame rate is excellent. The frame rate has not gotten choppy at all. Very fluid and smooth.

Excellent so far.

Thank you,
Keep us updated with your findings (neg and pos)

-J

i am really looking forward to this game :) I personally loved he first one. It was just one of those games that kept me thinking about it even when I wasnt playing it. I had a great "feel" to it.

The cutscenes are incredible and on par with the stuff blizzard puts out.

I haven't played the old one in years so I don't remember much about it.

I am not enjoying the one button attacks. Gets very boring. Especially with the bow and arrow...no skill involved just hit "Y" and it goes directly to the current target.

Very much hack and slash. Fun but not anything new or innovative. Intriguing story though.

I would not buy this if you disliked the first and might even chalk it up to a rent with some much great gaming on the horizon.

Thanks for your input! I'm playing through mass effect for a second time so I'm very used to to keep pounding one button to kill things.

A user review said it could be called Fable HD, not a bad thing but it's very much like Fable 1. I also read another Gaf guy said it was 12 hours and he did many side missions. It may be a good rental.

The enviroments are much better than Fable 1...graphics...I think it's just similar art direction.

The game is totally a renter IMO though.

The reviewer at Eurogamer seems to like it :

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=263778

10/10 !

IGN 9.5 from IGN UK. A "Buy" from Ars tech. I love this bit about "Ugly" in the "Good/Bad/Ugly" part of their write up:

"The ugly

* Deciding to put off questing for that rare treasure you've been seeking for weeks on your one day off from real-life work because the townspeople want your blood for overcharging, your wife is pregnant with your third child and she wants more money and nice furniture for the family, your ex-wife is sleeping with the blacksmith at the store you own, and your first-born son is attacking the neighbor's chickens with the toy sword you gave him."

Fable is the sort of games, judging from reviews, that rewards you when you actually live the life in Albion vs just treating it as a game that simply needs to be finished by doing the quest.

I'm stilled worried by the lack of reviews for what is supposedly one of microsofts big AAA games

I'm stilled worried by the lack of reviews for what is supposedly one of microsofts big AAA games

I've found 8 reviews with an average score of 9.3 and nothing lower than a 8.8. Plus most sites usually can't release a review to far in advance of the release date, and some may even be waiting for the Online Co-op patch expected out tomorrow before giving a final review.

Official Xbox Magazine
9.5

VideoGamer
9

Eurogamer
10

Computer & Video Games UK
9.2

Planet Xbox 360
9.5

Edge Magazine UK
9

IGN USA
8.8

IGN UK
9.5

I'm stilled worried by the lack of reviews for what is supposedly one of microsofts big AAA gamesYou realize that there's probably an embargo on reviews, right? It's totally standard for a publisher to put an embargo on all (but a few exclusive) press reviews until release day.

Could this be another Assassin's Creed where the publisher lets reviews higher than a 9/10 go up early and all others have to wait to release day? Notice that so far there are no scores posted on gamerankings or metacritic lower than a 9/10. It's very hard to imagine that even a great game wouldn't have some scores lower than a 9, let alone for a game that some people in the press expect to be disappointing.

I'm stilled worried by the lack of reviews for what is supposedly one of microsofts big AAA games

The embargo was up today.

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/927246.asp

93% average so far.

Interesting. I just read the Eurogamer review. Apparently your character can't actually die. As I recall from the first game, that was sort of true--if you'd wisely invested in ressurection potions (or whatever they were called :rolleyes:), it was highly unlikely that you'd die, but it was still possible. I can't remember what happened if you died though; I think that you had to go back to the last save point.

They're taking a similar tact in the new Prince of Persia title. Should be interesting to see what the public reaction is. There was some criticism of the Vita Chambers in Bioshock, but that was mostly because you could often defeat a tough enemy by fighting them in front of one.

Interesting. I just read the Eurogamer review. Apparently your character can't actually die. As I recall from the first game, that was sort of true--if you'd wisely invested in ressurection potions (or whatever they were called :rolleyes:), it was highly unlikely that you'd die, but it was still possible. I can't remember what happened if you died though; I think that you had to go back to the last save point.

They're taking a similar tact in the new Prince of Persia title. Should be interesting to see what the public reaction is. There was some criticism of the Vita Chambers in Bioshock, but that was mostly because you could often defeat a tough enemy by fighting them in front of one.

The problem with Bioshock is that you just went back to a check point basically. Here, you end up scarred and losing exp. The scars change the way people perceive you which has a ripple effect through the rest of the game and the choices offered.

It's a dramatic change from most other games where a defeat = do over. People should really read through the eurogamer review for a better understanding.

I have a feeling that people who'll simply want to play the game for sake of finishing the story will not nearly enjoy it as much as people who'll see their character as an extension of themselves and live out in full within Albion.

Thanks guys.
Feel better having seen all those numbers + the release trailer on Live.
Also IGN America gave it an 8.8

TeamXbox gives it 8.9, which is surprising, because I get the feeling from reading the review that he hated the game. Apparently, it didn't live up to the hype for him.

The IGN reviewer (Hillary Goldstein) didn't think that the game was up to the bar set by Oblivion and Mass Effect. To each his own, I guess--I loved the first Fable and four hours of Oblivion bored me into a comma. I'm still buying it.

The embargo was up today.

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/927246.asp

93% average so far.That average has yet to factor in some of the biggest sites (IGN, Gamespot, 1up, etc.). I know the IGN review's been posted (8.8), but it's possible that some of the other sites are waiting to play using the online patch that's supposed to hit on release day.

Only reason Im buying Fable 2 is because of the online co-op. If that turns out to be crap, I'm going to throw it in the garbage (i.e ebay).

Gamespot review (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/fable2/review.html?tag=topslot;title;1) just came out recently, 8.5. I didn't read the whole review as I don't want the chance of reading any spoilers, but I did read the conclusion and the reviewer was very positive on this game.

It seems as though with many of the reviews, the game suffers from some gameplay/technical issues, but if you can look past those then you'll most likely end up putting many hours into this game, even after you finish the 10 hour main storyline (read: addicting fun).

From the review:

The Good

* Huge world to explore with tons of awesome details
* Your pet dog provides a strong emotional link to Albion
* Laugh-out-loud funny
* Lots of different quest types
* Enchanting graphics and moving music.

The Bad

* Making money is way too easy
* Story and characters lack depth
* Good and evil paths don’t seem well-balanced
* Lousy map.

Apparently, the online co-op patch is done and will be available on release day, tomorrow (see this (http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26642410&sid=6199670)).

Gamespot gave it an 8.5. So far, most of the people who've given it something lower than 9 out of 10 have been extremely positive about it. The GS review ends with "In a game about choices, the wisest one you can make is to play the game. After spending a few hours in Albion, you won't want to do anything else."

General verdict so far seems to be this:

Score = 8.5-9.5
Good = Living world. Lots of choices with consequences. Looks great. Lots of detail. All about sex and your dog (though, never the two together). Good story and music. Very replayable.
Bad = More like The Sims than an RPG. Easy to earn money. Long loads. No dying, hence little challenge.

I'm sold. I really wanted to like Fable 1 and did for a little while. But then the bugs and poor design started to ruin the experience. It sounds like most of that's been remedied in this one, along with a bunch of extras tossed in (along with some new, but apparently forgivable, bugs).

So I picked it up at midnight and got through the childhood phase and onto starting the game.

In the village, I decided to show off seeing that I had a nice body. Impressing the ladies with my moves and taking all my clothes off did the trick. In a few mins, I have a gang of women wanting to get married. Then it turned out that some of them already had husbands...who are now really damn pissed at me....but their wives are following me around wanting to get "in." Thankfully my dog was kind enough to help be dig up a condom so it I might tap some married gypsy ass before hitting it big.

Speaking of, the dog is just one of the coolest additions, period. You go from this very single player hollow experience (Oblivion!) to always feel like you got a buddy with you. I find myself stopping to play fetch or play with him for no reason, all too often. Oh and I happen to be a cat person in real life. Me and my boy searched every damn corner of the initial area and found all sorts of cool stuff. We even got into a fight and which point one of the bastards kicked my dog.

HELL NO! I had to lay the pimp hand strong which brings us to combat. Imagination. That will define the combat for you. You can keep it simple and mindless or really get technical. The more technical you get the higher your experience bonus is. The more techincal you get the more beautiful the combat sequences are also. Very well done. I think I hit 250% exp bonuses a few times by being elegant instead of solo button mashing.

I've spend 3 hours just messing around and scratching the surface and already I can tell you this will be better than Oblivion and Mass Effect (my favorite game from last year). The way the world is around you and reacts because of you, is amazing. People know you and you even get to know them. I need to get some sleep that way I can keep a clear head tomorrow when picking which gypsy to nail and making sure I bag up!

From all the impressions, this game seems like more of the same childish crap from the first game.

If you like wandering around, farting, and trying to score with chicks, it seems to do that well enough.

I haven't heard anything about the combat, story, the exploring...

From all the impressions, this game seems like more of the same childish crap from the first game.

If you like wandering around, farting, and trying to score with chicks, it seems to do that well enough.

I haven't heard anything about the combat, story, the exploring...Huh? I've read plenty in the reviews about the combat and story. (And how do you differentiate between "wandering around" and "exploring" :rolleyes:)?

Even the posts in this thread from people who've started playing the game have talked about combat (giving two very different impressions):
I am not enjoying the one button attacks. Gets very boring. Especially with the bow and arrow...no skill involved just hit "Y" and it goes directly to the current target.

Very much hack and slash. Fun but not anything new or innovative. Intriguing story though.

...which brings us to combat. Imagination. That will define the combat for you. You can keep it simple and mindless or really get technical. The more technical you get the higher your experience bonus is. The more techincal you get the more beautiful the combat sequences are also. Very well done. I think I hit 250% exp bonuses a few times by being elegant instead of solo button mashing.BTW, gamerankings.com now lists 16 reviews (here (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/927246.asp)) and the average rating is down to around 90%, with a low rating of 78% from "Daily Game" (no others under 85%).

From all the impressions, this game seems like more of the same childish crap from the first game.

If you like wandering around, farting, and trying to score with chicks, it seems to do that well enough.

I haven't heard anything about the combat, story, the exploring...

Who doesn't like farting and wandering around trying to score with chicks? Other than straight women and gay men.

I'll be picking this up tonight most likely. Let the farting begin.

BTW, gamerankings.com now lists 16 reviews (here (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/927246.asp)) and the average rating is down to around 90%, with a low rating of 78% from "Daily Game" (no others under 85%).Metacritic's currently at 89%. (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/fable2) Seems like pretty solid reviews for the most part. No one seems to dislike it.

Thankfully my dog was kind enough to help be dig up a condom...



Quit possibly the funniest thing I've heard.

I'm picturing all the bodies of water in Albion having numerous Coney Island whitefish.

anyone try to co -op yet? My copy just got delivered to my house,but I'm at work :(

There better have the mics enabled

i just received my official release today of Fable 2. Official release in holland is Wednesday or Thursday. but my friend works in a big retail chain here in Holland so i could already get it today :) i have played it for the first 45 minutes and i have to say i am not really enjoying it yet.

let me start by the beginning. and that is the intro. it is very short but incredible looking. and for 1 moment you think wow we will play it like that. unfortunate that is not the case. when the game really starts the difference is just to big. dont get me wrong the city still looks nice. but it all looks like squares. and it really feels like a PC port.

also i miss the atmosphere like you had in Fable 1. it just aint here yet. maybe it comes later when i am out of the city. but so far no go. also the characters are not well animated. the movement of the characters is stiff. like it is only 10 frames or something. that said they do look all different.

also i am still in the tutorial kind of phase so hopefully it will get better along the way and playing Co op should definitely be a great experience. that said. i liked Fable 1 so far more then part 2.

anyone try to co -op yet? My copy just got delivered to my house,but I'm at work :(

There better have the mics enabled

Co-op is apparently a bit gimped. The details are sketchy, but something about the visitor shows up as a generic henchman and can not wonder to far from the host.

Seriously?? what a jip,this one may need to go back.

Anybody figure out which path they decided on yet? Evil or good? Which is more fun?

Ugh, just thinking about this is making me crazy,, Judging by gamefaqs the online co-op patch is not up yet. BUT the couch co-op is. I have a sneaky suspicion that the online co-op is going to be a mirror of the couch co-op which would mean that the host gets his original character and your friend gets to be a crappy henchmen.

If thats TRUE, F@CK YOU! Peter Molyneux you're a filthy lier.

Ugh, just thinking about this is making me crazy,, Judging by gamefaqs the online co-op patch is not up yet. BUT the couch co-op is. I have a sneaky suspicion that the online co-op is going to be a mirror of the couch co-op which would mean that the host gets his original character and your friend gets to be a crappy henchmen.

If thats TRUE, F@CK YOU! Peter Molyneux you're a filthy lier.Can you point out an article or interview in which Molyneux lies about this (if, indeed, online co-op mirrors couch co-op)? He said that you can earn money and experience while playing in a friend's world, and you can see his or her world and the way in which his or her decisions have caused it to differ from your world.

I'm not entirely sure how your would come to a friends house to play co-op offline on his machine and bring your character into the game in the first place. Would you bring a memory card with a game save or something? It makes some degree of sense that offline co-op would work that way. If, on the other hand, you're both playing on separate machines, a description of the character from your version of the game could be sent over XBL.

We'll see how it works, by and by.

from the sounds of it, this is a renterl. I'd rather spend $14 bux for a couple of weeks to finish the game rather than the $60....save me $46 towards a GoW2 purchase.

I just don't have enough time for Fallout 3

Okay--an article at Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/10/21/impressions-hands-on-with-fable-2-online-co-op-patch) confirms suspicions--you cannot bring your character's specific appearance into another player's game in online co-op, though you will bring your character's experience and skill-set with you--you won't look the way that you do in your world, but you should be able to fight the same way. They're also disappointed that the you can't move off screen from your host in online co-op. I can see where that might be both positive and negative--if I invite someone into my world, I want to know what the hell he's doing. I don't want him going around by himself opening spirit doors and collecting the contents of chests, etc, banging up businesses and other properties belonging to me, oppressing various towns with his ugly behaviour :).

Okay--an article at Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/10/21/impressions-hands-on-with-fable-2-online-co-op-patch) confirms suspicions--you cannot bring your character's specific appearance into another player's game in online co-op, though you will bring your character's experience and skill-set with you--you won't look the way that you do in your world, but you should be able to fight the same way. They're also disappointed that the you can't move off screen from your host in online co-op. I can see where that might be both positive and negative--if I invite someone into my world, I want to know what the hell he's doing. I don't want him going around by himself opening spirit doors and collecting the contents of chests, etc, banging up businesses and other properties belonging to me, oppressing various towns with his ugly behaviour :).

For me, the world in Fable 2 being very personal to me due to my choices and play style, not sure how I feel about someone, even a friend coming in, and disrupting that. I'm fine with the henchman thing and I'll certainly try the co-op but it'll be on a new game that I'm using to play around. The first time out, I'm keeping my game "clean" from outside influences.

Maybe they'll update the co-op later? I'd think it's more of a balance and quest breaking issue than anything.

Online co-op appears tacked on. Its the same onscreen co-op of local, just over live. Played that way for about an hour and it worked well with one excpetion... I kept all the $$$ and EXP from the session but I did not keep either of the gems I got while in a friends game.

It may be an afterthought but it was still fun.

It would be nice if they let you have two save files. One reason would be so you could play as both the male and the female. Second reason would pick one of those worlds to be your "MP" world. As is I wouldnt really want anyone messing around in my one and only world either, at least not until I finished the story.

So far I think the controls are a little clunkier then Fable 1 or am I imagining that? I remember fable playing really well. The graphics are nice but they havent impressed me as much here as Fable 1 impressed me on the Xbox. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying these are Xbox graphics I am just saying realitively, I was more impessed at the time with Fable then I am with Fable 2....maybe we have been spoiled... but there there seems to be a lot of clipping.

The dog is cool but using the D pad for the expressions isnt working to well for me. Either the controls are slow to pick up or the D-pad is bad or both.

The beginning of the story
was paint by the numbers with Sis getting killed. I could see it coming a mile away but it still made me sick\sad that it happened.

I did like going back to the hero's guild though and the maps are much bigger.

Wait, you can't have multiple saves? WTF??

I could be missing something. I will read the actual manual tonight but I didnt see a way to save more then one game. It does autosave and then you can save anytime you want but it never gives you the option to select the save device or add a filename or anything, it just saves.

Wait, you can't have multiple saves? WTF??

Yes, you can have up-to 6 characters I believe... one save file for each though.

If you've already started a game, save and quit, then start a new game. Save and quit again. Now you'll notice 'Continue' on the main title screen where you can chose from your 6 characters.

Wait, you can't have multiple saves? WTF??

nope. It auto saves right after each choice you make and you cant save/load if you don like your choices. Personally I like the idea because the point of this game is to make you think of the choices you make. If you want to do different things you need to play through more then once.

first time I am going as being good and the second time im going through as being a REAL SOB.

Do the controls feel a little sluggish to anyone? I bought a Denon 3808 not long ago and I'm afraid it might be causing some tiny amount of lag. I've already turned scaling off. Does anybody have any tips?

nope. It auto saves right after each choice you make and you cant save/load if you don like your choices. Personally I like the idea because the point of this game is to make you think of the choices you make. If you want to do different things you need to play through more then once.

first time I am going as being good and the second time im going through as being a REAL SOB.

I don't think the concept about the importance of choice all through the game is getting through to people. The file saves would kill the reward/consequence system.

One such choice I made in childhood came back to me just now and saved me a lot of money! The whole game is about choices. The major depth of the game is based around your choices. Choice to, own shops, get married/divorce, kids, property management, good/bad, pure/corrupt, getting a job, womanizer, etc.. etc.. And you can approach all these is a very different manner from eachother. For me, that's the depth of this game.

Sadly, people just like being spoon fed games.....funny enough this reminds of when I got some people to watch the UK version of "the office" (that is was the US one is based off, if some didn't know). A lot of people ended up not liking it because the show wasn't hitting them in the face with the jokes repeatedly. Fable 2 reminds me of the same thing.

Do the controls feel a little sluggish to anyone? I bought a Denon 3808 not long ago and I'm afraid it might be causing some tiny amount of lag. I've already turned scaling off. Does anybody have any tips?

The only lag I've felt is the occasion delay when I click to read the property info and it takes a second or two to pop up. Nothing at all during combat. Remember that the sword play is timing based so mashing a button will seem sluggish vs timing things right.

Do the controls feel a little sluggish to anyone? I bought a Denon 3808 not long ago and I'm afraid it might be causing some tiny amount of lag. I've already turned scaling off. Does anybody have any tips?
Yes the controls feel sluggish to me even just walking around or starting an expression, so its not just my button mashing tendencies.

Wait, you can't have multiple saves? WTF??

I don't think the concept about the importance of choice all through the game is getting through to people. The file saves would kill the reward/consequence system.

One such choice I made in childhood came back to me just now and saved me a lot of money! The whole game is about choices. The major depth of the game is based around your choices. Choice to, own shops, get married/divorce, kids, property management, good/bad, pure/corrupt, getting a job, womanizer, etc.. etc.. And you can approach all these is a very different manner from eachother. For me, that's the depth of this game.

Sadly, people just like being spoon fed games.....funny enough this reminds of when I got some people to watch the UK version of "the office" (that is was the US one is based off, if some didn't know). A lot of people ended up not liking it because the show wasn't hitting them in the face with the jokes repeatedly. Fable 2 reminds me of the same thing.

I understand the concept and choice and why you would not want to allow multiple saves of the same game since it would ruin it. I just thought that there should be two slots or a MP slot so you don't have to mess up the choices in your primary game or so you could start a different game and choose differently and see how they compare.

Someone here said you can. If thats right then I should get 3 choices when I get home tonight and hit "continue" since I played as both male\female for a bit to decide which I wanted to spend the rest of the game with and switched back to male. I can finish out my current character but at the same time play a "different" story with another character where I wont be so bothered by inviting people in and trying out the MP and thats good.

My original question was because the way he said it I thought you couldn't have multiple characters. The game is short enough that I guess multiple saves with one character isn't too big of an issue - it is nice with longer games like KOTOR or Mass Effect though, as you can see the multiple endings very easily.

I find this game enjoyable, but not sure it was worth the full price. The graphics are far from what I thought it would be. They are not nearly as good as they should be. Very blocky at times. Spells are okay, but seem really limited. I LOVE the dog. Nice effect, well played. The humor, at times, can be side splitting funny (i.e. the letters you find in the cave) but at other times just really lame.

It is a mixed bag for me. I will finish the game, but not sure how much replay value it has for me.

Impressions so far.

After playing Too Human for a while this game takes some adjustment. The camera in combat seems to be fine, but the issue I have is that have a lush environment that can be hard to fully take in. Sometimes I just want to stand for awhile and look at the view, and I find myself fighting the camera.

The combat seems fine. I have only been able to find the rhythm with melee combat. I like the world and I have yet to really explore the economy. I did decide to rent my little gypsy home which is netting me some money. I can't wait to bring over my Pub game money so I can buy a really big house.

I did not play the first game so getting a hang of the expression system is tricky. Sigh, I might have to read the manual :>

Overall I am having a good time and I am looking forward to playing the game again when I get home.

I find this game enjoyable, but not sure it was worth the full price. The graphics are far from what I thought it would be. They are not nearly as good as they should be. Very blocky at times. Spells are okay, but seem really limited. I LOVE the dog. Nice effect, well played. The humor, at times, can be side splitting funny (i.e. the letters you find in the cave) but at other times just really lame.

It is a mixed bag for me. I will finish the game, but not sure how much replay value it has for me.

hey, you're from the Heroes thread~!

I also enjoy the game. I had fun playing the first one and thought that it wasn't in the same league as Kotor for example. I don't think that this game is going to be close to Mass Effect neither.

Verdict - Rental

hey, you're from the Heroes thread~!

I also enjoy the game. I had fun playing the first one and thought that it wasn't in the same league as Kotor for example. I don't think that this game is going to be close to Mass Effect neither.

Verdict - Rental

Diff tastes. Mass Effect was my favorite game of this gen until Fable 2 came out and for me, it doesn't even come close. The side quests alone in Fable 2 blow away any side quests ME had to offer, not to mention your interaction with the world around you is simply on another level. To be fair, I'm playing this in a very different manner than I did ME. With ME, it was more about game completion. In Fable 2, I'm still haven't started the main quest but spent 6-7 hours just interacting with the world and living the live as a citizen of Albion. That sim aspect is very much fun for me. The drama, the mischief, people's reaction, getting arrested for having your dog piss on merchants while you point a finger and laugh, keep your mistress away from you wife, stealing toys for your kids, etc....

I would have rather played me solo. The teammates they give you have a rather severe case of down syndrome. It sorta ruins the game a bit.. Still fun though..

I would say fable 2 and me are pretty close quality wise.. I beat me once and that was enough for me so we will see if fable 2 fairs the same.

Diff tastes. Mass Effect was my favorite game of this gen until Fable 2 came out and for me, it doesn't even come close. The side quests alone in Fable 2 blow away any side quests ME had to offer, not to mention your interaction with the world around you is simply on another level. To be fair, I'm playing this in a very different manner than I did ME. With ME, it was more about game completion. In Fable 2, I'm still haven't started the main quest but spent 6-7 hours just interacting with the world and living the live as a citizen of Albion. That sim aspect is very much fun for me. The drama, the mischief, people's reaction, getting arrested for having your dog piss on merchants while you point a finger and laugh, keep your mistress away from you wife, stealing toys for your kids, etc....

To be fair Mass Effect and Fable 2 are two different kinds of RPGs. Fable is a living world simulator and Mass Effect is more of an action game.

To be fair Mass Effect and Fable 2 are two different kinds of RPGs. Fable is a living world simulator and Mass Effect is more of an action game.

Agreed and should be played differently. If you play Fable 2 as just a linear game without exploring the world and it's offering simulation as you stated, you'll miss out a lot. To be fair, that might not appeal to everyone.

hey, you're from the Heroes thread~!

I also enjoy the game. I had fun playing the first one and thought that it wasn't in the same league as Kotor for example. I don't think that this game is going to be close to Mass Effect neither.

Verdict - Rental

Yeah, I am all over this board in various threads.

I found this review on my local paper's website. This guy really seems to love this game.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/20/AR2008102002588.html

Certainly one of the more intellectual reviews of the game I've come across so far.

I found this review on my local paper's website. This guy really seems to love this game.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/20/AR2008102002588.html

Certainly one of the more intellectual reviews of the game I've come across so far.Wow. I'd say that he loved it--it's only the second perfect review score for the game that I've seen.

was considering passing this off as a rental, but for $43 shipped from circuit city i couldn't pass it up.

was considering passing this off as a rental, but for $43 shipped from circuit city i couldn't pass it up.

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CC shows it for 60 with a $15 itunes card

I found this review on my local paper's website. This guy really seems to love this game.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/20/AR2008102002588.html

Certainly one of the more intellectual reviews of the game I've come across so far.

This man and I are now friends. That's what I getting out of the game also. Just another hour of work left!

Do you choose an evil path or good path or can you mix em together? Which do you guys think is most fun?

Do you choose an evil path or good path or can you mix em together? Which do you guys think is most fun?

You don't choose any at the start of anything. The choice you make detemine where your path and they can swing back n' forth. There's no real fun or not fun way. Just make the choices like you would in real life and see where you end up as a person in the game. That's what I'm doing. I let myself get a bit carried away at times since it's a game but I not predetermined to be one way or another. Also, you can be good but corrupt so there are 2 sets of ideals you slide between as you make your choices.

I was typing up my night one observations in an email to a friend today, and realized they might be applicable here too:

It's reminding me about many of the things I'd forgotten from fable 1. One nice thing so far is the glowing breadcrumb trail that leads you to your next objective. I always hated getting lost in games like this, and getting waypoints with a good visual indicator is wonderful.

The CG is pretty incredible. They obviously spent a lot on the opening cinematic, and it'll be neat to see whether they keep up that level through the rest of the game.

Combat so far is easy, but fun. It hasn't been tough enough yet to need to learn how to do anything cool, but I've tripped over some neat moves just by getting in the thick of things.

I worked as a blacksmith for about 45 min last night. It's a decent minigame, basically timing a button press when an oscillating needle is in a green section. If you chain together perfect 5 strike performances, you start multiplying your earnings. I made enough to buy a house. I'm renting it out now, and there's no rent cap that you have to go collect before you can earn more, as there was in fable 1. Every 5 minutes, I just directly get around 1% of what I bought the place for. I hear this continues while the xbox is off too, so I should have earned back the purchase price by the time I sign on tonight! It seems like by allowing direct deposit instead of you needing to go collect the loot yourself, they've removed that major headache, but may have made money fairly irrelevant.

At the end of the intro 'dungeon' there was a chest just for collector's edition owners. Inside was a full set of fable-styled Spartan armor, and a Covenant Energy Sword :-). Yes, I look like Master Chief now. In fact, the town crier even had that title available for me when I showed up! The clothing seems to be classified into outfits too, so it'll be easy for me to change back into this for fun after I get some upgrades.

One of my friends jumped into my game for a few minutes of co-op. When he joined, I got to pick how much of the experience and money each of us would get (e.g. 50/50), and he chose an appearance. It's not his hero's appearance, though - he shows up sortof like a henchman. The experience and money he earns goes towards his hero, but not any quest progress. It just didn't make much sense to have two of the same person in the world, I guess. The host is in control of the screen (sortof). I can move the camera a little, but we can't get too far away from each other. You basically have to stay on the same screen. Not a bad plan when I want to make sure he isn't killing my npcs.

It seems like the multiplayer will be good for grinding, or for showing a friend what you've done with the world. Other than that, not so much, but I can't really think of anything else you would want from co-op in an RPG like this. I guess you could also help out someone who is having a problem with a quest, but it's all been really easy so far. Maybe that would be more valuable for helping non-gamers or kids?. Oh, and it is seamless - I was just running along playing when he jumped into my game, and he dropped out without a hitch too.

The skill system is pretty similar. When you kill enemies, little experience orbs drop. They have 4 flavors - melee, ranged, spell, and general. You can spend the specialized ones only on skills of that type, and use your general ones anywhere. The type that drops seems to depend at least somewhat on how you killed the enemies.

There's more than one axis of personality now - not just good and evil. There's also gentlemanly/rude, and pure/corrupt, scary/nice and... skinny/fat? I haven't looked too much into that stuff yet, but it's a lot more detailed than before.

Fine detailed movement is tough - you feel a little like you're sliding around at slow speeds, but it works very well when running. Also, you can run really fast. No more trodding along, waiting to get across a field.

The dog is neat too. He'll bark when he notices treasure, and leads you over to it. I hear you can improve his search capabilities through books.

I am trying to purchase every house and business in the first big town you come across..

The xp potions sorta make increasing your characters different skills a bit to easy. Right now I can buy pots that give me 12k of each different orb for 2k gold.. Cheaper if on sale.

When he joined, I got to pick how much of the experience and money each of us would get (e.g. 50/50), and he chose an appearance. It's not his hero's appearance, though - he shows up sortof like a henchman.
But how did he (and you) appear on your friend's game? Does he look normal to himself and you look like a henchman, or do you two see the same thing until he leaves and goes back to his original appearance in his game?

But how did he (and you) appear on your friend's game? Does he look normal to himself and you look like a henchman, or do you two see the same thing until he leaves and goes back to his original appearance in his game?

He appeared as a henchman on both my screen and his. I think he said his screen was even centered on my character. Basically think about it as being non-splitscreen coop on the same box. We saw the same thing.

I read in XOM that Peter Molyneaux said the Pub games gold exploit was on purpose and there was a "surprise that awaits the cheaters". Does anyone know what the "surprise" is? =)

The dog is neat too. He'll bark when he notices treasure, and leads you over to it. I hear you can improve his search capabilities through books.

Yes you can get books to upgrade the dob's fighting and treasure hunting skills. Also teach it new tricks. Remember, he does the tricks based on your expressions.

The combat just gets better and better as you level things up. It's very rythmic and fluid once you learn to combo things well.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3170860&p=4&sec=REVIEWS

Review: A
If it were simply a single-player RPG, Fable 2 would be an almost peerless entry in the genre -- it's filled with more great ideas than the last 10 years of Final Fantasy combined.

I'm enjoying Fable 2 so far, but I'm actually a little disappointed. I think the problem is that as open as the game is, it still feels confining relative to the Elder Scrolls games (Morrowind and Oblivion in particular) and even Two Worlds (after all the patching, it's actually an excellent open world action RPG). It's getting better as I get further into the game, and I definitely leave the "yellow brick road" (the quest guidance path) pretty frequently just to explore, but so far it seems like I hit way too many barriers for my tastes, and combat is pretty simplistic.

Also, I tried online co-op with a friend last night and the camera makes it virtually unplayable, especially in caves or dungeons. I'll definitely be playing this one single player and leaving the co-op for games that allow each player an independent camera.

Like I said, I'm enjoying it, but I have to admit that it's just making me that much more hungry for Fallout 3!

Do you choose an evil path or good path or can you mix em together? Which do you guys think is most fun?

You choose, and it affects your character's look. They change. You can do some evil stuff and then do good stuff to offset it back to 0. The only thing I can see that the evil/good affects (other then the town being completely different when you revisit it the first time) is just your characters look and how you finish a quest.

I've been waiting for the 1Up review, I really like those guys. Very excited to see their grade and the one comment. Amazon needs to hurry up and deliver this game!

I just finished pouring 144 beers in a row.. Then I bought the pub. :D

I just finished pouring 144 beers in a row.. Then I bought the pub. :D

This part of the game is awesome and I wish more RPG's included things like this. I rented out my house and own a pub.

I sort of miss not having armor. Even if it doesn't fit in with the era the game takes place.

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CC shows it for 60 with a $15 itunes card

an error on the website lets you subtract the difference from the gift card ($15) and remove the gift card from your cart (59.99 - 15). there is also a 10% off coupon and free shipping.

pm if you want more info.

also, this works with any game that comes with a gift card.

an error on the website lets you subtract the difference from the gift card ($15) and remove the gift card from your cart (59.99 - 15). there is also a 10% off coupon and free shipping.

pm if you want more info.

also, this works with any game that comes with a gift card.

too late for me :\ thanks though

was considering passing this off as a rental, but for $43 shipped from circuit city i couldn't pass it up.

x2 :D

Does anyone know how many items can be unlocked on Fable2.com?

I've played the story 6 times on the site (to be sure) and it seems that there are only 3 unlockables:

The tattoo & hero doll for the left (Hero) crown, the Nasty Expression Book & a Vial of Apocalyptic Pink Dye for the right (Evil) crown, and the 5 (?) Piece Chicken Suit for the center (Road Less Traveled) crown

Are these the only 3 unlockables, or do I have to mix my choices up more?

an error on the website lets you subtract the difference from the gift card ($15) and remove the gift card from your cart (59.99 - 15). there is also a 10% off coupon and free shipping.

pm if you want more info.

also, this works with any game that comes with a gift card.

I just tried this and it did not work.

This is pretty high praise from NY Daily News.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/arts/2008/10/24/2008-10-24_fable_2_for_xbox_360_is_full_of_life.html

If "Fable 2" does not receive serious consideration for the numerous Game of the Year awards, there's something seriously wrong with the gaming community.

I can't wait to start playing this game, hopefully tonight, but if not then definitely tomorrow. :D

After playing the game more yesterday I will say the load times are starting to get annoying. I thought Gears would be the first game I put on my hard drive, but I think Fable II will jump the list. Even if it saves 10 seconds it will be a sanity saver. I would not care if I did not have a minimap for the game if I could just assign the trail to a building/location. I am still looking bookstore I heard was in Bowerstone, but I have not found it yet.

After playing the game more yesterday I will say the load times are starting to get annoying. I thought Gears would be the first game I put on my hard drive, but I think Fable II will jump the list. Even if it saves 10 seconds it will be a sanity saver. I would not care if I did not have a minimap for the game if I could just assign the trail to a building/location. I am still looking bookstore I heard was in Bowerstone, but I have not found it yet.
Agreed on all fronts.
BTW, that bookstore is just across the square from the blacksmith. If you come across the bridge into the square, it's one of the buildings on the left.

The combat just gets better and better as you level things up. It's very rythmic and fluid once you learn to combo things well.
Thanks. Yeah, combat has picked up considerably for me as I move on in the game. Once I got level 3 and 4 skills, things became much more difficult and interesting. Unfortunately, I acquired combos during the Crucible arena event. Not the best time to try to figure them out!

Also, contrary to what I'd heard, rent didn't continue to roll in at the same rate while the game was off. I recorded my exact gold and rent tick when I quit last night, so hopefully I can calculate what exactly is going on the next time I play, but at least home ownership isn't as much of an instant-rich button as I feared it was.

Thanks. Yeah, combat has picked up considerably for me as I move on in the game. Once I got level 3 and 4 skills, things became much more difficult and interesting. Unfortunately, I acquired combos during the Crucible arena event. Not the best time to try to figure them out!

Also, contrary to what I'd heard, rent didn't continue to roll in at the same rate while the game was off. I recorded my exact gold and rent tick when I quit last night, so hopefully I can calculate what exactly is going on the next time I play, but at least home ownership isn't as much of an instant-rich button as I feared it was.

When you have the game off, the rent is given once per hours vs every 5mins when you're actually playing. It's smart on their part. Encourages actual playtime :)

After playing the game more yesterday I will say the load times are starting to get annoying. I thought Gears would be the first game I put on my hard drive, but I think Fable II will jump the list. Even if it saves 10 seconds it will be a sanity saver. I would not care if I did not have a minimap for the game if I could just assign the trail to a building/location. I am still looking bookstore I heard was in Bowerstone, but I have not found it yet.

The loading time is the worst part of this game for sure. Sometimes I spend more time looking at a loading screen than anything else. If you haven't found it yet, the bookstore is the third building on the left if you are facing the town square.

The loading time is the worst part of this game for sure. Sometimes I spend more time looking at a loading screen than anything else. If you haven't found it yet, the bookstore is the third building on the left if you are facing the town square.

Got to find the bookstore and get the come hither expression, or you will never get your noodle wet!

Got to find the bookstore and get the come hither expression, or you will never get your noodle wet!

Actually there's a few raunchy broads around the towns that if you get the bar up high enough they'll approach you, just give em the thumbs up sign and you can dive in.

Just out of curisoty any AVS members playing as Women.
I always like to play my own gender in games.

Just out of curisoty any AVS members playing as Women.
I always like to play my own gender in games.

I am playing as a woman. If I am going to be staring at a character for hours I prefer watching look at a female. In most games it does not make a difference since you ended wearing the same armor anyway. However, I had the strangest moment while playing Fable II. I was going through the clothing options and it felt strange going through dresses to choose from.

I am playing as a woman. If I am going to be staring at a character for hours I prefer watching look at a female. In most games it does not make a difference since you ended wearing the same armor anyway. However, I had the strangest moment while playing Fable II. I was going through the clothing options and it felt strange going through dresses to choose from.

How does it feel walking up to men and asking them to stick it in?

How does it feel walking up to men and asking them to stick it in?

Don't you have the choice to be with women even if you're playing a woman?

When you have the game off, the rent is given once per hours vs every 5mins when you're actually playing. It's smart on their part. Encourages actual playtime :)

I make like 10k every 5 min. I left my 360 on the last 2 nights. I think I have purchased every home and business so far.

Don't you have the choice to be with women even if you're playing a woman?

You do. Total Lesbo action going on :>

I just tried this and it did not work.

It works. You just need to know the info. ;)

QUESTION: GOOD OR EVIl?

Just reached my first moral dilema. Which path is more fun. I tend to enjoy evil but am I going to loose options or enjoyable parts of the game by going evil?

I just tried this and it did not work.

try again... directions are on slickdeals.net

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3046/capturewk8.jpg

Well, I just bought the first one for $10 off ebay. I'm gonna play through that first and then play 2 after I finish it.

Gonna be hard to keep 2 in the wrapper while I do that. :( :o

Well, I just bought the first one for $10 off ebay. I'm gonna play through that first and then play 2 after I finish it.

Gonna be hard to keep 2 in the wrapper while I do that. :( :o

it's not a terribly long game, you may be able to beat the USPS guy to the punch if you have some free time this weekend... unless you're waiting on fable 1 to ship too....

Oh nice....It did work, i got it for $40.49!
I Probably won't receive it for a little while, but still cool......I love the internet!!! lol

I make like 10k every 5 min. I left my 360 on the last 2 nights. I think I have purchased every home and business so far.

I'm doing that tonight. I jacked up all my rents and shops by 100% and gonna stack up on money. I'll be corrupt but that's ok because I think that unlocks one of the demon doors. I'm at a point through, I'm really really fighting the urges to kill everything...:(

Really getting into the game now. I think the clipping issues actually went away after childhood. I mean the dog can go where ever he wants but I havent seen a lot of other people or myself clip into anything. I did have a weird glitch on one of my missions where the camera kinda got stuck zoomed in low on an upward angle. Kind of more of an over the butt view then over the shoulder. Having it that zoomed in felt very clausterphobic and I kept having to pull down on the camera to see ahead. I was afraid to quit while chasing the boss so when I killed him I got a 0 fight bonus because I didnt even see him but got a lucky shot with my heavy crossbow. I then quit and restarted and the camera reset.

Still though, even with the little annoyances I found myself having to stop myself from the "one more thing" at 3am this morning. I could not stop myself however after MY dog woke me up at 6:30... I went back to playing until the college football started.

Its odd, someone here said its not a long game, I guess its not but I can't say for sure because I keep getting distracted from the main quest. I think I am only on the 3rd mission with it. At the moment I would definitly recommend the game for just plane fun...not much of a challenge, but very fun.

I'm doing that tonight. I jacked up all my rents and shops by 100% and gonna stack up on money. I'll be corrupt but that's ok because I think that unlocks one of the demon doors. I'm at a point through, I'm really really fighting the urges to kill everything...:(

Be careful if you want the "ruler of albion" achievement. If you tank the economies of Bloodstone and Bowerstone by charging everyone +100% and occasional citizen massacres(like I did:)), you'll be a little shy of the 2.5 million in real estate to get it, even when you own every single house and business. It took about 15+ hours, lots of buying and selling, and a few jobs for the economy to go from one star to two in both towns afterwords. Granted, I had like 22k coming every 5 minutes, so if you want the money it's a lot of fun to fleece em all.

It's way to easy to make gold in this game.. All the reviews were 100% right about that.

I msut be stupid. I've been playing around doing almost anything but the main quests and I only have about $240 coming in.

Anyone no how to get rid of curroption? I have 10 and haven't done anything (That I know of)

I msut be stupid. I've been playing around doing almost anything but the main quests and I only have about $240 coming in.

Anyone no how to get rid of curroption? I have 10 and haven't done anything (That I know of)

give gifts to kids. lower rents to under market value. stop kicking chickens.

give gifts to kids. lower rents to under market value. stop kicking chickens.

Ah, so that's how I got 9 corruption... :rolleyes:
Time to give some gifts to some kiddies.

I stayed up until 4am playing this. I do wish you have multiple saves so you could goof off - like when you're done for the night and you just want to see what would happen if you went on a killing spree or something similar.

Also, I don't really like the magic system this time around, I'd like to cast different spells of the same level a little quicker, it's just a bit clunky.