Is it true that Panasonic has been making Pioneer tv's? I was informed that Pioneer is moving away from tv's all together.

Essentially Pioneer tv is really Panasonic.

Is it true that Panasonic has been making Pioneer tv's? I was informed that Pioneer is moving away from tv's all together.

Essentially Pioneer tv is really Panasonic.You were informed wrong. None of the above is true. Who told you these lies? :rolleyes:

:D

Is it true that Panasonic has been making Pioneer tv's? I was informed that Pioneer is moving away from tv's all together.

Essentially Pioneer tv is really Panasonic.

Wrong.

Is it true that Panasonic has been making Pioneer tv's? I was informed that Pioneer is moving away from tv's all together.

Essentially Pioneer tv is really Panasonic.
Well next year panasonic will be making pioneers screens, and pioneer will be\e putting there software and name on it. Pioneer is staying with tvs, there just not going to be the ones making them.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49296676,00.htm

Well you next year panasonic will be making pioneers screens, and pioneer will bee putting there software and name on it. Pioneer is staying with tvs, there just not going to be the ones making them.


Thanks for the article. I was informed that within 2 years Pioneer will be out of tvs all together.

Thanks for the article. I was informed that within 2 years Pioneer will be out of tvs all together.

hmm;)

Thanks for the article. I was informed that within 2 years Pioneer will be out of tvs all together.
By who?

By who?By Auditor55 that's who :D

By Auditor55 that's who :D

:D Of course.

I found this interesting link
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6539196.html?desc=topstory

Here is an open letter (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/Pioneer+is+committed+to+introducing+new+innovations+in+plasm a+and+other+high+definition+technologies+including+new+gener ations+of+the+world%27s+best+television%2C+KURO.) from Pioneer in response to these persistant and false rumors:


Pioneer is committed to introducing new innovations in plasma and other high definition technologies including new generations of the world's best television, KURO.
At Pioneer, our passion is to create high definition home theater products that make the hair on the back of your neck stand up and create an experience like never before. We remain enthusiastic about delivering the ultimate home theater experience based on the brand strategy the company set nearly a year ago, to bring to market the best home theater technology.

Pioneer will continue to focus on what it does best, which includes engineering game-changing plasma technology and producing proprietary components that differentiate Pioneer plasma televisions from the rest of the market. The next generation KURO flat panel televisions will be coming this summer as planned with no change in Pioneer production. The only difference starting in 2009 will be that Pioneer will outsource mass production of the plasma modules before they go to finishing and assembly plants to become Pioneer televisions.

Outsourcing product components is common practice among successful consumer electronics (CE) companies all over the world. This is widely regarded as smart business as it allows companies to focus on their specialties. Some specialize in engineering and innovation, like Pioneer, while others specialize in efficiency and quality mass production.

There are three core parts to a plasma television. Pioneer's plan to outsource production of only the plasma panel modules will not impact Pioneer's technologic superiority. This will enable Pioneer to bring high-definition display innovations more efficiently to the customer's living room, home cinema and all of the corners of our life where we can't live without HD. We will have the ability to continue to differentiate and maintain our KURO DNA within these other areas. For example, Pioneer utilizes powerful video processing and color filter technologies that are added in the assembly phase. All of these components work together harmoniously to create the magic of Pioneer's quality KURO displays.

Pioneer is developing plans with production partners to offer exceptional quality and reliability in line with Pioneer's own strategy and high standards. At this time, no specific arrangements or decisions have been made beyond the previously announced mutual capital investment with Sharp.

Wow...amazing how convoluted things get when passed by word of mouth.:p


From what I understand..starting next year Pioneer will be outsourcing the actual plasma panel (glass) to Panasonic. This is no different than what many lcd makers already do...especially in the desktop lcd business, yet no one claims Dell is leaving the business because they get their panels from LG/Philips and Samsung...and their electronics from god knows where.

And then repeated over and over ad nauseum by certain people.

^^^

especially by Vizio fanboyz

In all my years,When a company decides to out source, their product goes down hill.They start having more issues then before..Admit it,you've all seen it too

......and?

It's not like they are going to use crappy glass now. I mean...Panny glass is solid glass...no?

it will be the same old pioneers i think, just cheaper and they wont have the same reputation.

I bet the new elites look better then the 2007 models.

It's not like they are going to use crappy glass now. I mean...Panny glass is solid glass...no?

100% correct.

Pioneer could not have picked a better source for thier glass other than making the glass themselves. But then again if Panasonic truly builds to pioneer specs (which is what will probably happen) then who is to say that the glass may be just as good ??

All you Pioneer fanboys must be sad. Now with Pansonic producing your glass you will have to give all the credit to Panasonic. Relax, it will all be over soon. Long live Pansonic and Panasonic with Pioneer on the front, lol.

With respect to the the CNET UK article in this thread:

Has it been revealed yet how Panasonic will benefit from the deal as far as using Pioneers glass technology? As far as I recall the 3rd generation Kuros due out sometime next year were supposed to be "true black" as shown on prototypes at CES. Presumably Pioneer will share the technology for this with Panasonic, and not just so Panasonic can make the glass for Pioneer, but perhaps they will use this same technology in their own product as well?

With respect to the the CNET UK article in this thread:

Has it been revealed yet how Panasonic will benefit from the deal as far as using Pioneers glass technology? As far as I recall the 3rd generation Kuros due out sometime next year were supposed to be "true black" as shown on prototypes at CES. Presumably Pioneer will share the technology for this with Panasonic, and not just so Panasonic can make the glass for Pioneer, but perhaps they will use this same technology in their own product as well?

I'm sure they won't be sharing all their tech, but I read that Pio will be sharing their zero luminescence tech with Panny.

-Coggs

(Q). When will

Pioneer = Panasonic?

(A). Next year.

(Q). When will

Pioneer = Panasonic?

(A). Not anytime in the foreseeable future (aside from where the panels are manufactured).

All you Pioneer fanboys must be sad. Now with Pansonic producing your glass you will have to give all the credit to Panasonic. Relax, it will all be over soon. Long live Pansonic and Panasonic with Pioneer on the front, lol.

Rookie misconception #1: If company A makes the panel, then TV from company A is the same as TV from company B.

Go do your homework.

(Q). When will



(A). Not anytime in the foreseeable future (aside from where the panels are manufactured).Lest we forget...

Plasma TV is Dead - Pioneer Exits (http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/plasma-tv-is-dead)

Pioneer to exit plasma panel manufacturing (http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206901673)

Pioneer exits Plasma TV market (http://www.dvhardware.net/article25697.html)

Sources: Samsung, Sony invest big on LCDs, Pioneer exits plasma (http://news.cnet.com/Sources-Samsung,-Sony-invest-big-on-LCDs,-Pioneer-exits-plasma/2100-1047_3-6232972.html)

Pioneer to exit plasma-panel operations, sees fiscal-year loss (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/pioneer-exit-plasma-panel-operations-sees/story.aspx?guid=%7B56F6AF35-5F09-4DC7-B776-B0D7112B0826%7D)

Pioneer needs Panasonic & there is no other way around that.

Once Panasonic get's a "peek under the hood" we will soon be seeing Piosonic & Pananeer Kuro like PDPs at our local Wal*Mart.

With respect to the the CNET UK article in this thread:

Has it been revealed yet how Panasonic will benefit from the deal as far as using Pioneers glass technology? As far as I recall the 3rd generation Kuros due out sometime next year were supposed to be "true black" as shown on prototypes at CES. Presumably Pioneer will share the technology for this with Panasonic, and not just so Panasonic can make the glass for Pioneer, but perhaps they will use this same technology in their own product as well?Not really. Pioneer gave Panasonic the specs of the glass to build, but Pioneer will not be giving their driving scheme/other electronics that heavily contribute to ECC to panasonic. I'm sick of the misconceptions that salespeople tell consumers who don't know any better.

Not really. Pioneer gave Panasonic the specs of the glass to build, but Pioneer will not be giving their driving scheme/other electronics that heavily contribute to ECC to panasonic. I'm sick of the misconceptions that salespeople tell consumers who don't know any better.

well said...unfortunately there seems to be a lot of ignorance and "the sky is falling!!!" mentality floating around here. referencing equally hysterical blogs and "articles" doesn't make it any more true.

Lest we forget...

Plasma TV is Dead - Pioneer Exits (http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/plasma-tv-is-dead)

From this link:

"For those concerned, this doesn't mean that Pioneer will exit the plasma business. It simply means that they are, in the interim at least, looking to leave the plasma panel manufacturing business, opting instead to purchase their panels from a company like Matsushita (Panasonic)."

"Mitsushige Akino, chief fund manager at Ichiyoshi Investment Management. "Pioneer could have chosen another way and stepped up its plasma investment despite the fact that the business is bleeding red ink, but it's a wise step to decide against that...""

Pioneer to exit plasma panel manufacturing (http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206901673)

From this link:

"Pioneer Corp. is finalizing plans to withdraw from producing plasma panels"

Pioneer exits Plasma TV market (http://www.dvhardware.net/article25697.html)

EXACT same article as your first link, redundant, sensationalist, and misleading.

Sources: Samsung, Sony invest big on LCDs, Pioneer exits plasma (http://news.cnet.com/Sources-Samsung,-Sony-invest-big-on-LCDs,-Pioneer-exits-plasma/2100-1047_3-6232972.html)

From this link:

"Pioneer plans to stop all production of plasma display panels"

Pioneer to exit plasma-panel operations, sees fiscal-year loss (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/pioneer-exit-plasma-panel-operations-sees/story.aspx?guid=%7B56F6AF35-5F09-4DC7-B776-B0D7112B0826%7D)

From this link:

"Pioneer said stopping in-house plasma TV panels production would incur a one-time cost of Y19 billion. It said this would allow its struggling home electronics business to become profitable for the fiscal year through March 2010."

Pioneer needs Panasonic & there is no other way around that.

Pio needs a good less expensive panel developer yes.

Once Panasonic get's a "peek under the hood" we will soon be seeing Piosonic & Pananeer Kuro like PDPs at our local Wal*Mart.

I doubt it, Pio is a big company, with their own R&D, and I don't see the companies merging anytime soon. They may share 1 or 2 techs in their TVs, but I really doubt you're going to see Pio give-up all their secrets, or adopt all of panny's techs to cut cost.

Yes it is a shame that the Kuro line hasn't (as of yet) managed to pull Pio's TV division out of the red, but I just don't see them giving up and merging everything they've done with Panny.

Most of the content of these links is way overblown, and worded (and especially entitled) to get people reading their articles, with little regard to what the info will actually mean in the long-term.

-Coggs

All you Pioneer fanboys must be sad. Now with Pansonic producing your glass you will have to give all the credit to Panasonic. Relax, it will all be over soon. Long live Pansonic and Panasonic with Pioneer on the front, lol.

Great contribution, lol.

From this link:

"For those concerned, this doesn't mean that Pioneer will exit the plasma business. It simply means that they are, in the interim at least, looking to leave the plasma panel manufacturing business, opting instead to purchase their panels from a company like Matsushita (Panasonic)."

"Mitsushige Akino, chief fund manager at Ichiyoshi Investment Management. "Pioneer could have chosen another way and stepped up its plasma investment despite the fact that the business is bleeding red ink, but it's a wise step to decide against that...""

Pioneer to exit plasma panel manufacturing (http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206901673)

From this link:

"Pioneer Corp. is finalizing plans to withdraw from producing plasma panels"

Pioneer exits Plasma TV market (http://www.dvhardware.net/article25697.html)

EXACT same article as your first link, redundant, sensationalist, and misleading.

Sources: Samsung, Sony invest big on LCDs, Pioneer exits plasma (http://news.cnet.com/Sources-Samsung,-Sony-invest-big-on-LCDs,-Pioneer-exits-plasma/2100-1047_3-6232972.html)

From this link:

"Pioneer plans to stop all production of plasma display panels"

Pioneer to exit plasma-panel operations, sees fiscal-year loss (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/pioneer-exit-plasma-panel-operations-sees/story.aspx?guid=%7B56F6AF35-5F09-4DC7-B776-B0D7112B0826%7D)

From this link:

"Pioneer said stopping in-house plasma TV panels production would incur a one-time cost of Y19 billion. It said this would allow its struggling home electronics business to become profitable for the fiscal year through March 2010."



Pio needs a good less expensive panel developer yes.



I doubt it, Pio is a big company, with their own R&D, and I don't see the companies merging anytime soon. They may share 1 or 2 techs in their TVs, but I really doubt you're going to see Pio give-up all their secrets, or adopt all of panny's techs to cut cost.

Yes it is a shame that the Kuro line hasn't (as of yet) managed to pull Pio's TV division out of the red, but I just don't see them giving up and merging everything they've done with Panny.

Most of the content of these links is way overblown, and worded (and especially entitled) to get people reading their articles, with little regard to what the info will actually mean in the long-term.

-Coggs

Optivity doesn't want the facts, he wants to spread FUD and act like he doesn't know any better. Maybe he is working with Auditor55?

Lest we forget...

Plasma TV is Dead - Pioneer Exits (http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/plasma-tv-is-dead)

Pioneer to exit plasma panel manufacturing (http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206901673)

Pioneer exits Plasma TV market (http://www.dvhardware.net/article25697.html)

Sources: Samsung, Sony invest big on LCDs, Pioneer exits plasma (http://news.cnet.com/Sources-Samsung,-Sony-invest-big-on-LCDs,-Pioneer-exits-plasma/2100-1047_3-6232972.html)

Pioneer to exit plasma-panel operations, sees fiscal-year loss (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/pioneer-exit-plasma-panel-operations-sees/story.aspx?guid=%7B56F6AF35-5F09-4DC7-B776-B0D7112B0826%7D)

Pioneer needs Panasonic & there is no other way around that.

Once Panasonic get's a "peek under the hood" we will soon be seeing Piosonic & Pananeer Kuro like PDPs at our local Wal*Mart.I don't think anyone is arguing that Pioneer doesn't need Panasonic's panel manufacturing capacity to remain profitable in the plasma business...but c'mon.:rolleyes: Anyone with 2 braincells (or actually reads the linked articles in their entirety) can see the headlines are misleading and sensationalist at best. I think it's pretty poor journalism to have those kinds of headlines (especially the first one)...yet have nothing in the articles about Pioneer actually phasing themselves out of the plasma market.

Wreaks of antagonism.
Everyday I come on here I see countless FUD posts and threads bashing Pioneer, their PDP's and the people who buy them(fanboys).
I try to stop the spread of the FUD for people who haven't purchased an HDTV yet on here.
I give up, it is a never ending thing and it has just started to get to me.

Not really. Pioneer gave Panasonic the specs of the glass to build, but Pioneer will not be giving their driving scheme/other electronics that heavily contribute to ECC to panasonic.

Thanks for the info. Makes sense. It will be interesting to see for how long Pioneer can keep their competitive advantage as far as picture quality over Panasonic.

I'm sick of the misconceptions that salespeople tell consumers who don't know any better.

Not sure if that was a response to my post also, but I assure you I get absolutely no info from sales people (never spoken to one about televisions in fact) and am equally tired of the "Pioneer is quitting Plasma" hype. Everything that one needs to know about consumer electronics can be found here on AVS. Indeed most salesmen would know Aural/Visual Science if it came up and bit them in the ass. And even in they did, they would do their best to keep the info out of consumer hands and using it to make an informed decision anyway.

Optivity doesn't want the facts, he wants to spread FUD and act like he doesn't know any better. Maybe he is working with Auditor55?

+1
Maybe Auditor55, optivity, and Sampo are the are the same person with an IP scrambler?

+1
Maybe Auditor55, :eek: optivity, :eek::eek: and Sampo :eek::eek::eek: are the are the same person with an IP scrambler?I Yam What I Yam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8TRoMSG-5I). :p

Just an A/V hobbyist with no vested interest in the PDP display business, who has been around long enough to know how things work. ;)

Here is an open letter (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/Pioneer+is+committed+to+introducing+new+innovations+in+plasm a+and+other+high+definition+technologies+including+new+gener ations+of+the+world%27s+best+television%2C+KURO.) from Pioneer in response to these persistant and false rumors:


Pioneer is committed to introducing new innovations in plasma and other high definition technologies including new generations of the world's best television, KURO.
At Pioneer, our passion is to create high definition home theater products that make the hair on the back of your neck stand up and create an experience like never before. We remain enthusiastic about delivering the ultimate home theater experience based on the brand strategy the company set nearly a year ago, to bring to market the best home theater technology.

Pioneer will continue to focus on what it does best, which includes engineering game-changing plasma technology and producing proprietary components that differentiate Pioneer plasma televisions from the rest of the market. The next generation KURO flat panel televisions will be coming this summer as planned with no change in Pioneer production. The only difference starting in 2009 will be that Pioneer will outsource mass production of the plasma modules before they go to finishing and assembly plants to become Pioneer televisions.

Outsourcing product components is common practice among successful consumer electronics (CE) companies all over the world. This is widely regarded as smart business as it allows companies to focus on their specialties. Some specialize in engineering and innovation, like Pioneer, while others specialize in efficiency and quality mass production.

There are three core parts to a plasma television. Pioneer's plan to outsource production of only the plasma panel modules will not impact Pioneer's technologic superiority. This will enable Pioneer to bring high-definition display innovations more efficiently to the customer's living room, home cinema and all of the corners of our life where we can't live without HD. We will have the ability to continue to differentiate and maintain our KURO DNA within these other areas. For example, Pioneer utilizes powerful video processing and color filter technologies that are added in the assembly phase. All of these components work together harmoniously to create the magic of Pioneer's quality KURO displays.

Pioneer is developing plans with production partners to offer exceptional quality and reliability in line with Pioneer's own strategy and high standards. At this time, no specific arrangements or decisions have been made beyond the previously announced mutual capital investment with Sharp.

More propaganda. This letter is so disingenious by Pioneer. They don't tell about the folks they have layoff due to their outsourcing.

Hey Kool-aid

Wreaks of antagonism.
Everyday I come on here I see countless FUD posts and threads bashing Pioneer, their PDP's and the people who buy them(fanboys).
I try to stop the spread of the FUD for people who haven't purchased an HDTV yet on here.
I give up, it is a never ending thing and it has just started to get to me.

Hmm:rolleyes:

More propaganda. This letter is so disingenious by Pioneer. They don't tell about the folks they have layoff due to their outsourcing.

Hey Kool-aidWhat layoffs Auditor55? You don't know JACK about Pioneer, Panasonic, Samsung, LG, Sony, or any other display manufacturer.

I've said numerous times.....and you have proven me right EVERY single time..... that you provide ZERO helpful and/or beneficial information for the AVS community. Can you please help the AVS community or get off the forum? Please?!

From a business standpoint, the question is whether or not Pioneer will price their plasmas at a point where they can sell enough volume to be profitable. Part of that answer lies in how much the Panasonic-made panel will cost them. It's entirely likely Panasonic will charge somewhat of a premium over their own manufacturer costs for their native panels ( obviously they have to), so its likely that a Pioneer plasma will continue to be more expensive than a Panasonic one, but hopefully with a narrower gap.

I am wondering what selling price point Pioneer is basing their predictions of return to profitable off of. The whole thing is a necessary gamble but Pioneer's success in plasma is far from a given.

But I do hope they succeed.

I bet (and this is only a guess) that Pioneer has agreed to purchase so many panels from Panasonic over the next say 5 years. Panasonic is going to sell them at a certain rate and they will become cheaper in say years 2-5 (thus the likely hood Pioneer will start seeing profits in 2010). The 2 companies will not likely share proprietary technology which makes each of their plasmas some of the best in the industry. This will allow Pioneer to keep making TVs and cut cost. It will also give profits to Panasonic. (win, win)

Pioneer may have come to the conclusion that Panasonic plasmas are of good quality (if not great) and the panel is not what makes the picture great, the components in the tv do! That is what will set these 2 apart. Doesn't mean that Pioneer Kuros will be any better or worse in years to come compared to the Panasonic Viera. This is just business and Pioneer is not in the business to keep losing money (neither is Panasonic).

I think edge goes to the consumer! If the best of the best will be cheaper, then so will the lower end sets. I expect we'll keep seeing prices go down. And who knows, maybe the poor man could afford a Kuro in 2-5 years?!

BTW: Did you know that as competitive as Japanese companies are, they never want to see another Japanese company go under. These companies will share technology (for their own personnal gain) to keep another from going under. Of course each one wants to be the best, but at what expense?

My hope is that we will see the technology improve due to this possible sharing of information. Couldn't hurt, could it?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8TRoMSG-5I]
Just an A/V hobbyist with no vested interest in the PDP display business, who has been around long enough to know how things work. ;)

I am not trying to be rude or anything so forgive me if it seems that way but,
I am confused,
If you have "no vested interest in the Plasma Display Panel buisness" as you just stated, Then why are you posting in the Plasma Forum???
For someone with no vested interest you sure spend alot of time in the plasma forum.
Isn't that considered trolling?? Maybe I am wrong

Lest we forget...

Plasma TV is Dead - Pioneer Exits (http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/plasma-tv-is-dead)

Pioneer to exit plasma panel manufacturing (http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206901673)

Pioneer exits Plasma TV market (http://www.dvhardware.net/article25697.html)

Sources: Samsung, Sony invest big on LCDs, Pioneer exits plasma (http://news.cnet.com/Sources-Samsung,-Sony-invest-big-on-LCDs,-Pioneer-exits-plasma/2100-1047_3-6232972.html)

Pioneer to exit plasma-panel operations, sees fiscal-year loss (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/pioneer-exit-plasma-panel-operations-sees/story.aspx?guid=%7B56F6AF35-5F09-4DC7-B776-B0D7112B0826%7D)



I just don't understand how these articles come to the conclusion that "plasma is dead" or "Pioneer exits the plasma buisness" just becasue pioneer is outsourcing thier glass.

I mean when Sony outsourced to Samsung there were no article saying "LCD is DEAD" or "Sony exits the LCD buisness".
So is there some reason why so many are spreading such nonsense???

When I was at bestbuy the other day a salesman told me not to get a plasma because Plasma is on its way out and not to get a pioneer because panasonic makes thier TV's and its cheaper to just get a panasonic.
I laughed out loud and just walked away becasue he reminded me of some of the guys spreading this same nonsense on this forum. fortunatly, most on this forum know better.

If you have "no vested interest in the Plasma Display Panel buisness" as you just stated, Then why are you posting in the Plasma Forum???
For someone with no vested interest you sure spend alot of time in the plasma forum.
Isn't that considered trolling?? Maybe I am wrongNot a troll... just an A/V enthusiast who paid $13,000 :eek: for two PDPs:

PRO-150FD & TH-50PX50U

who is no a fan-boy of any business entity.

I just don't understand how these articles come to the conclusion that "plasma is dead" or "Pioneer exits the plasma buisness" just becasue pioneer is outsourcing thier glass.Just the demise of the high-end PDP... first Fujitsu... now Pioneer... one-step-at-a-time.

Just the demise of the high-end PDP... first Fujitsu... now Pioneer... one-step-at-a-time.

So this is all about price and not quality. Otherwise, why would you relish the demise of Fujitsu Plasmas that for years raised the PQ bar with their displays? Do you not realize that the R&D and efforts these "high-end" PDP's did to produce the very best PQ and build quality of their displays is exactly the reason you are now able to buy at the much lower prices today?

These "lower-end" mfg'ers are building their displays on the backs of those "high-end" companies, and most all of them have done virtually nothing to actually innovate, design & advance the technology. By applauding the demise of certain display mfg'ers that have been the leaders in advancing video tech, you are actually promoting the dumbing down of video tech to fit the price point where every J6P is contented with "good enough" TV's.

why would you relish the demise of Fujitsu Plasmas that for years raised the PQ bar with their displays?

By applauding the demise of certain display mfg'ers that have been the leaders in advancing video tech, you are actually promoting the dumbing down of video tech to fit the price point where every J6P is contented with "good enough" TV's.When did I say I "relish" the emergence of low-end PDPs? :confused:

Just the demise of the high-end PDP... first Fujitsu... now Pioneer... one-step-at-a-time.

Please tell me exactly how I am to interpret this post?

What layoffs Auditor55? You don't know JACK about Pioneer, Panasonic, Samsung, LG, Sony, or any other display manufacturer.

I've said numerous times.....and you have proven me right EVERY single time..... that you provide ZERO helpful and/or beneficial information for the AVS community. Can you please help the AVS community or get off the forum? Please?!

I guess you haven't heard about Pioneer's layoffs? Also, how can I help the forum if I'm not being honest?

Here it is.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/204952,japans-pioneer-plans-to-cut-5-percent-of-workforce-media.html

TOKYO (Reuters) - Pioneer Corp <6773.T> plans to slash nearly 5 percent of its workforce, or about 2,000 jobs, Japan's Nikkei business daily reported on Tuesday, as the electronics maker restructures its struggling plasma TV operations.

As part of the restructuring, Pioneer may mention job reductions when it announces earnings results at 2 a.m. EDT, company spokesman Kohei Iwamoto said. He declined to elaborate but denied 2,000 employees would lose their jobs.

I don't believe in slander.

Here it is.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/204952,japans-pioneer-plans-to-cut-5-percent-of-workforce-media.html

TOKYO (Reuters) - Pioneer Corp <6773.T> plans to slash nearly 5 percent of its workforce, or about 2,000 jobs, Japan's Nikkei business daily reported on Tuesday, as the electronics maker restructures its struggling plasma TV operations.

As part of the restructuring, Pioneer may mention job reductions when it announces earnings results at 2 a.m. EDT, company spokesman Kohei Iwamoto said. He declined to elaborate but denied 2,000 employees would lose their jobs.

I don't believe in slander.

The article is very interesting. It says that 200 of the employees would be transferred to Panasonic to their plasma division. It also says that the return to profitability was for its home electronics division, which includes plasma.

Cleary Pioneer overlooked in the past year that there are more poor people than well off and priced themselves out of profits.

Here it is.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/204952,japans-pioneer-plans-to-cut-5-percent-of-workforce-media.html

TOKYO (Reuters) - Pioneer Corp <6773.T> plans to slash nearly 5 percent of its workforce, or about 2,000 jobs, Japan's Nikkei business daily reported on Tuesday, as the electronics maker restructures its struggling plasma TV operations.

As part of the restructuring, Pioneer may mention job reductions when it announces earnings results at 2 a.m. EDT, company spokesman Kohei Iwamoto said. He declined to elaborate but denied 2,000 employees would lose their jobs.

I don't believe in slander.


again PLANS and MAY doesnt equate to HAVE, dont believe in slander but in maybe's, since iwamoto denied 2000 jobs were gone;)

again PLANS and MAY doesnt equate to HAVE, dont believe in slander but in maybe's, since iwamoto denied 2000 jobs were gone;)

Actually, again, if you read the article they are offering early retirement, trying to get plasma folks over to Panasonic, looking to fill other open positions in the organization; there isn't any doubt whats going on. They are downsizing their workforce but trying to do it without firing anyone, thus the Iwamoto comment.

Please tell me exactly how I am to interpret this post?Any way you wish, but you have misinterpreted the intent...