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spyder696969

07-25-08, 10:46 PM

Spyder, I know you've been a Twitch fan since the beginning of the show...I doubt very much that he will win this thing.

His solos have been great.

The wife and I are now convinced that Twitch doesn't even need to win this competition anymore. He's categorically proven, beyond even a shadow of a doubt, that he's a talented choreographer with his fascinating solos. His personality and skills in the field will carry him far in the dance/entertainment world long after SYTYCD is over.

Mark has a very good chance for a storied career on Broadway, what with his unique emoting skills.

Chelsie should/could simply insure her stunning legs for $1,000,000,000 each and become a leg model for hair removal products. She'd make a fortune.

Courtney should/could just become a model, period. Or maybe a Laker girl.

Will is most likely set to move on to teaching at some school if he sticks with it.

Joshua brings his unmatched strength and diverse training techniques to the table in a dance world filled with "wiry" males that appear to have Kate Moss Syndrome. That, and his lovable demeanor should have him working for quite some time.

Which leaves Katee. She, much like Say-Blah last year, absolutely, positively NEEDS to win this thing. She's nowhere near remotely attractive, has the personality of a loaf of year-old bread, takes criticism poorly, and exposed her quitter's mentality when things get even slightly rocky. After doing some "people watching" today it finally dawned on me why America seems to adore and relate to her...

So, it will be no surprise to see Katee winning a competition as America's FAVORITE dancer.

Airboss

07-25-08, 11:37 PM

The wife and I are now convinced that Twitch doesn't even need to win this competition anymore. He's categorically proven, beyond even a shadow of a doubt, that he's a talented choreographer with his fascinating solos. His personality and skills in the field will carry him far in the dance/entertainment world long after SYTYCD is over.

Mark has a very good chance for a storied career on Broadway, what with his unique emoting skills.

Chelsie should/could simply insure her stunning legs for $1,000,000,000 each and become a leg model for hair removal products. She'd make a fortune.

Courtney should/could just become a model, period. Or maybe a Laker girl.

Will is most likely set to move on to teaching at some school if he sticks with it.

Joshua brings his unmatched strength and diverse training techniques to the table in a dance world filled with "wiry" males that appear to have Kate Moss Syndrome. That, and his lovable demeanor should have him working for quite some time.

Which leaves Katee. She, much like Say-Blah last year, absolutely, positively NEEDS to win this thing. She's nowhere near remotely attractive, has the personality of a loaf of year-old bread, takes criticism poorly, and exposed her quitter's mentality when things get even slightly rocky. After doing some "people watching" today it finally dawned on me why America seems to adore and relate to her...

So, it will be no surprise to see Katee winning a competition as America's FAVORITE dancer.

Well, you were pretty spot on until your evaluation of Katee. You have let your intense dislike (hate) for her blind you.

What criticism has she taken poorly...she hasn't received any! Her performances have been outstanding every dance each week.. week after week. The only negative comment I've heard toward her was this week from Tony Basil and it was a very minor criticism and uncalled for (kind of like the one Mia made ref. smiling)

I also disagree with your comment that if she does not win she will have no future.... you are WAY OFF base there spyder. She is a very talented dancer (if not one of the most talented dancers to ever compete on SYTYCD) and she surely will have a great future in dance.

BTW, there are plenty of very talented people/artist that are "nowhere near remotely attractive"... what does that have to do with anything anyway? :confused:

Putting that aside, I do not agree with your assessment of her attractiveness, she is not stunningly beautiful but she certainly isn't a dog either and without a doubt does not fall into the category of "nowhere near remotely attractive".

http://randgraphics.org/sytycd/katee_shean2.jpg

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Airboss

07-25-08, 11:42 PM

I am getting tired of them putting their hands on their shoulds constantly, trying to make it look like a 4 for 4-real. It is getting old and is dumb. Enough already.

+1

And even though I like Twitch I'm getting tired of his "Super Twitch" shirts. It's a bird, it's a plane, no it's Twitch.... enough already.:(

Distorted

07-26-08, 12:15 AM

...It also surprised me a bit that Comfort left; her outings on Wednesday were very good, almost on a par with Will...

That stuff you have been sniffing will make your fingers stick together if you aren't careful.

Kamakzie

07-26-08, 12:41 PM

That stuff you have been sniffing will make your fingers stick together if you aren't careful.

:D:D:D:D

spyder696969

07-26-08, 01:59 PM

BTW, there are plenty of very talented people/artist that are "nowhere near remotely attractive"... what does that have to do with anything anyway? :confused:

Hey, if Owen Wilson's nose can make it, then maybe there's hope for anyone. :D

All I was implying is that Katee's looks aren't even in the same universe as Chelsie or Courtney, hence the need to win a dance competition. While physical beauty is certainly no guarantee for success, it does open many, many doors.

Take Kherington, for example. With her flawless skin and her hosting skills (as shown on her many YouTube videos) it's easy to see that SYTYCD could simply be a stepping stone toward a career as a spokesmodel for Cover Girl or some other product having nothing at all to do with dance whatsoever.

scowl

07-26-08, 02:14 PM

I also disagree with your comment that if she does not win she will have no future.... you are WAY OFF base there spyder. She is a very talented dancer (if not one of the most talented dancers to ever compete on SYTYCD) and she surely will have a great future in dance.

I don't see why any of these dancers need to win. This isn't like American Idol where they're guaranteed something like a recording contract. All of these dancers are talented. They came in talented and they'll leave even more talented whether or not they win. They've proved themselves week after week by performing difficult routines by some of the best choreographers in the business. These dancers win every time they dance on the show.

I can't imagine choreographers saying, "Nah, we can't hire her. She only came in third on that Fox dance contest show. Next!"

Airboss

07-26-08, 02:22 PM

Hey, if Owen Wilson's nose can make it, then maybe there's hope for anyone. :D

All I was implying is that Katee's looks aren't even in the same universe as Chelsie or Courtney, hence the need to win a dance competition. While physical beauty is certainly no guarantee for success, it does open many, many doors.

Take Kherington, for example. With her flawless skin and her hosting skills (as shown on her many YouTube videos) it's easy to see that SYTYCD could simply be a stepping stone toward a career as a spokesmodel for Cover Girl or some other product having nothing at all to do with dance whatsoever.

Good points indeed except for you comment "hence the need to win a dance competition". I guess this is where our opinions differ (and you know what they say about opinions :) ). I feel that Katee has the talent to success in a dance career regardless of if she wins SYTYCD or not. You seem to imply that if she does not win SYTYCD she has no future in dance nor anything else since she is not a beauty.

Katee is attractive, she is talented and she has charisma (I would say more so than even Kherington). I don't think she will have any problems pursuing her chosen career and will not have to worry about "falling back" into a secondary career due to her lack of talent as a dancer.

lwien

07-26-08, 03:54 PM

Katee's beauty comes out when she dances.

No doubt she will be successful, either as a dancer, a dance teacher, or a choreographer regardless if she wins SYTYCD or not. The kid just turned 20 years old. She's got her whole life ahead of her.

Nope, totally disagree with Spyder. She does NOT need to win this thing, but there is a good chance that she will.

Cal1981

07-26-08, 04:17 PM

Looking at the pic of Katee that airboss posted, I'd say that she's a damn pretty kid. She is a brilliant dancer and she doesn't look like Seabiscuit. Methinks that she has a future:D

Distorted

07-26-08, 05:15 PM

Airboss

07-26-08, 06:02 PM

I wonder what a top dancer can earn these days? Excluding the talent on SYTYCD for a moment, and principal dancers in ballets, where do they find paying outlets and what are the rates they get? Dancers are obviously not nearly as "in demand" or as marketable as musicians who can play all night at a concert when a dancer only has a few minutes of intense athletic performance he/she can give per night, thus limiting their take from a concert they must share with others to fill the time. It would seem to me that troops of dancers have many of the same problems that big bands had splitting the take among many deserving performers. The dancers also usually have a relatively short performance life as athletic skills and injuries take a quick toll. Most seem to pass very rapidly from view. The choreographers on the show were, I assume, at least fine dancers a short time ago (Debbie Allen was awesome), but mother nature brought them down fast. There will only be one Fred Astair.

So, by my calculations, these young and beautiful dancers are probably making names in a poor profession no matter how good they are. Am I correct? Does anyone know the real economics of what awaits these folks?

From this article (http://www.blurtit.com/q335417.html):

The average earning of a dancer, according to research, is about $13 per hourly basis. The highest paid dancers can earn about $26 per hour where as the lowest paid dancers get about $8 per hour. It all depends on the reputation of a dancer and the musical production company he is working for.

The most a dancer can earn is by teaching in school or other dancing programs, in performing art companies, in bars and clubs and in other amusement industries. However choreographers tend to earn more than dancers at a rate of at least $37 per hour.

Those dancers who go on tours and travel around with performing arts companies tend to have other benefits besides wages, such as paid food, rent and allowances. It is believed that the earnings for dancers are not that good and they have to work extra hours in clubs and bars even to earn good money.

It is good if a dancer joins a certain union companies which protect the rights of dancers and make sure they get paid for their hard work. The unions will sign a contract with the dancers and they will earn some amount of share of the dancer’s salary.

The dancers who work for videos and movies earn more than others and if a group of dancers is hired permanently by a music company, then they can earn some good money.

Here's a link to some dance company contracts (http://www.musicalartists.org/Agreements/DanceContracts.htm), read a few of them they are pretty interesting.

lwien

07-26-08, 06:02 PM

Cal1981

07-26-08, 07:22 PM

In the entertainment business, dancers are one of the lowest paid professions, especially when one considers the amount of work that they put in. That's why it has to be a labor of love and why it would be smart for any dancer to get something else going where they can use their talents, such as choreography, dance studios, and teaching establishments.

But while they are young and in good shape, the demand for dancers are there, from music videos to broadway, to commercials, to TV specials, to movies.
Dancers are very much like actors. My daughter works in theater and the actors that she knows don't make a lot of money and go where the jobs are. A lot of actors have second professions and many appear in network TV shows. A lot of her actor aquantences have been in several Law & Order episodes. It's a very nomadic life and I suspect that the same goes for dancers. The big difference may be that dancers have a much shorter "shelf-life" than actors because of the beating that their bodies take.

scowl

07-26-08, 08:47 PM

In the entertainment business, dancers are one of the lowest paid professions, especially when one considers the amount of work that they put in.

Although this information is long long out of date, Frankie Manning (one of the most famous swing dancers ever) said in his autobiography that when he danced in dozens of movies and in hundreds of shows during the 30's and 40's, he was making slightly more than professional jugglers. :)

Airboss

07-26-08, 10:15 PM

Although this information is long long out of date, Frankie Manning (one of the most famous swing dancers ever) said in his autobiography that when he danced in dozens of movies and in hundreds of shows during the 30's and 40's, he was making slightly more than professional jugglers. :)

Coming this fall on Fox "So You Think You Can Juggle?" :)

scowl

07-27-08, 12:51 PM

(As an aside, I read that "Mikey" was actually a cover of a song recorded a couple of years later by a band in the UK called "Kitty"--same lyrics, sung by a guy to a girl. As with many other famous covers, it blew the original version out of the water :D).

Yes, "Micky" didn't quite rhyme with "pretty" but that didn't stop it from being a hit.

michaeltscott

07-27-08, 12:52 PM

Oh yes, it was good to see Toni Basil as a guest judge this week (though her 'do looked a bit weird). When I attended high school in the early 1980's, my cheerleader friends were doing routines to her bouncy hit "Mickey."I thought that Toni looked incredible for someone who'll hit 65 in September--apparently dance will keep you young. (As an aside, I read that "Mikey" was actually a cover of a song called "Kitty" recorded a couple of years earlier by a band in the UK--same lyrics, sung by a guy to a girl. As with many other famous covers, it blew the original version out of the water :D).

EDIT: Sorry scowl--I did my edit-and-repost thing (I detest those little "last edited by" notations), placing your reply out of sync.

Kamakzie

07-27-08, 01:04 PM

Is that by chance the song that goes "Hey hey your so fine, your so fine you blow my mind hey Mickey"? Maybe I'm thinking of another song.

Airboss

07-27-08, 01:12 PM

Is that by chance the song that goes "Hey hey your so fine, your so fine you blow my mind hey Mickey"? Maybe I'm thinking of another song.

Tony Basil - Hey Mickey

Chorus:
Oh Mickey, you're so fine
You're so fine, you blow my mind, hey Mickey, hey Mickey
Oh Mickey, you're so fine
You're so fine, you blow my mind, hey Mickey, hey Mickey
Oh Mickey, you're so fine
You're so fine, you blow my mind, hey Mickey...

Hey Mickey
You've been around all night and that's a little long
You think you've got the right but I think you've got it wrong
Why can't we say goodnight? So you can take me home, Mickey

Cause when you say you will, it always means you won't
You're givin' me the chills, baby, please baby don't
Every night you still leave me all alone, Mickey

Oh Mickey, what a pity, you don't understand
You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand
Oh Mickey, you're so pretty, can't you understand
It's guys like you, Mickey
Ooh what you do Mickey, do Mickey
Don't break my heart, Mickey

Hey Mickey
Now when you take me by the... who's... ever gonna know
Every time you move I let a little more show
There's something you can use, so don't say no, Mickey

So come on and give it to me anyway you can
Anyway you want to do it, I'll take it like a man
Oh please baby, please don't leave me in this jam Mickey

Refrain1:
Oh Mickey, what a pity, you don't understand
You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand
Oh Mickey, you're so pretty, can't you understand
It's guys like you, Mickey
Ooh what you do Mickey, do Mickey
Don't break my heart, Mickey

(chorus)

(refrain1 3x)

(repeat 'till fade)

Mickey" is a 1982 hit U.S. pop song recorded by singer and choreographer Toni Basil. Written by Mike Chapman and Nicky Chinn as "Kitty," it was first recorded by UK pop group Racey in 1979. Basil's crush on actor and Monkee Micky Dolenz during her work as a choreographer/dancer on the set of the Monkees 1968 movie, Head prompted her to change the lyrics to "Mickey" to better suit her real-life experience, and the gender from female to male. The single reached number one on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 and number two in the UK singles chart. It has usually considered her as a one-hit wonder, being that the single is her only hit.

"Mickey" is one of the most famous cheerleading songs. The line "Oh Mickey, you're so fine/ You're so fine you blow my mind/ Hey Mickey! Hey Mickey!" is also a favorite among cheerleaders. The guitars in the song sound quite similar to The Knack's "My Sharona" and synthesizers like in most Devo compositions, where some members from Devo recorded on the basics tracks for "Mickey".

Basil also recorded a Spanish version of the song, becoming number 1 in Mexico.

In the first episode of the cartoon series, Johnny Bravo, the titular character ends up on an island of Amazon women. He meets a tall woman gathering coconuts from a palm tree and asks what her name is. He guesses her name is "Mickey" and tells her it's because "she's so fine. She's so fine [she blows his mind]". Unflattered, she kicks him off her wheelbarrow.

It has been used by the Walt Disney Corporation in advertising campaigns, with reference to Mickey Mouse.

The song was also used by disgruntled Cincinnati Bengals fans showing their displeasure at team owner Mike Brown for his inability to field a competitive team during the 1990's until 2002. The song was renamed "Hey Mikey".

The song is also the theme tune for prominent Canadian football expert Mickey Fairplay, who frequently gives his opinion on footballing matters in the UK.

The song was sampled by Nitty in the song, "Hey Bitty", which can be found on his album Player's Paradise.

The song appears in the cheerleading scene at the end of Big Momma's House 2.

Micky Park Yoochun from the popular Korean a cappella boyband, Dong Bang Shin Ki usually has this song as his theme song whenever he appears on variety shows.

In the 1992 film Wayne's World, Mike Myers suddenly starts singing "Mickey" in the car, explaining to Tia Carrere that it is the last song he had heard before leaving the house that day.

Regarding the song "Girlfriend" by Avril Lavigne, critics have stated that it sounds similar to "Mickey".

In "The Principal and the Pauper", a season nine episode of The Simpsons, the real Seymour Skinner asks Bart's class to recite the pledge of allegiance and Bart responds with the line "Hey, America. you're so fine you blow my mind, America".

On the KylieX2008 tour, during an act called 'Cheer Squad', Kylie Minogue mashed elements of the song with her own song 'Heart Beat Rock'. On this occasion, the lyrics were changed to, "Hey Minnie, you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind, Hey Minnie!"

In the cheerleading movie Bring It On, this song was sung and danced to in the final scene of the movie, or the credits.
The song's lyrics have been alleged contain a subversive tale of a woman's attempts to "turn" a gay man by offering him anal sex

Kamakzie

07-27-08, 01:37 PM

Ahh cool so my memory isn't failing me. A good sign! :D Thanks Airboss!

michaeltscott

07-27-08, 01:38 PM

There's a "video" (a series of stills) of Racey's original 1979 version of the song here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAhuwfaU4vs), on YouTube. (There's a link to the Toni Brasil 1982 video for "Mickey" on the side. She would have been in her early 40s when she made that--not bad :)).

lwien

07-27-08, 04:41 PM

I thought that Toni looked incredible for someone who'll hit 65 in September--apparently dance will keep you young.

Dance AND a few trips under the knife of a GOOD plastic surgeon.

mac707

07-27-08, 06:11 PM

Airboss

07-27-08, 06:15 PM

lwien

07-31-08, 12:28 AM

Airboss

07-31-08, 05:28 AM

Ugggggch.............Had to drag this up here from the third page!! ;}

My prediction?

Twitch and Courtney are going home, but man, they're ALL really good. Still think it's gonna be Joshua and Katee in the top two and THAT is gonna be just too damn close to call.

Well, I hope it's Twitch and Chelsie that go home tonight. I'll have to give Mark props, he put Twitch to shame last night. Twitch was horrible, his solo was just a rehash of last weeks and once again he was playing the whole "Super Twitch" thing. Doesn't he own another t-shirt?

IMHO, Joshua and Katee were by far the best followed closely by Mark and Courtney with Twitch and Chelsie coming in last.

The best thing going for Chelsie is her looks. She is great at what she does but if she was a plain Jane she would have been gone a long time ago.

Who's going to win? It should come down to Joshua and Katee with Katee taking the crown, but the way the 'jidges' have been laying the praise on Joshua (even if it is well deserved) may sway more votes in his direction. Either would be worthy of the title.

What a great show last night, I had to re-watch each routine during the commercial breaks.

WilliamR

07-31-08, 07:47 AM

Once again, Katee is insanely good. Wow. I sure hope she wins this whole thing.

WilliamR

07-31-08, 07:52 AM

Why don't they just change the show's name to So you think you can choreograph and get it over with. I swear at one point they spent more time talking about the choreographer then they did the dancer's performance. Pathetic and it is getting so old.

WS65711

07-31-08, 09:44 AM

I can't believe Cat did that with the teeth . . . :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

mac707

07-31-08, 09:49 AM

I'm betting that Twitch and Courtney go tonight and that's how it should be. Katee was great in the contemp and the paso doble last night but had a forgettable solo. Chelsie was awesome in the mambo, had a good solo (for a ballroom girl) and did what she was asked to do in the hip hop (which wasn't much). Courtney was a turd off camera and was in full "contemporary girl" mode for her solo which is also par for the course.

Twitch at this point is just totally overmatched unless he gets hip hop. Josh and Mark were solid last night in their pair numbers but their solos were meh (actually, ALL the solos were meh).

Airboss

07-31-08, 09:57 AM

Once again, Katee is insanely good. Wow. I sure hope she wins this whole thing.

+1

wblynch

07-31-08, 09:58 AM

...Courtney was a turd off camera...

Yeah, why did she have to make a big deal about Mark accidentally touching her boob? I'm sure it happens all the time when you're practicing those kinds of dances.

Linux23

07-31-08, 10:12 AM

Toni may have looked ok but was absolutely atrocious as a judge. Look woman, we're watching the show to see the competitors, not to hear about how "street" you are or how things were back in the dark ages when you were hot stuff. Hopefully they don't invite her back....

How in the Sam Hill this old, white lady, who probably have never seen a ghetto before know what "Street" is.

I think all that Botox is starting to seep into her brains.

Linux23

07-31-08, 10:13 AM

Why is everyone hating on Courtney? She's the best looking female dancer on the show now.

mac707

07-31-08, 10:15 AM

^ because this isn't America's Next Top Model? She has a lame attitude and I actually find Chelsie more attractive than Courtney anyways.

lwien

07-31-08, 11:07 AM

I can't believe Cat did that with the teeth . . . :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

She's soooooo unpretentious which makes her as good of a host as she is.

spid

07-31-08, 11:16 AM

I would not be surprised if Katee went home tonight. All the girls were good last night and there was not a whole lot complain about. The only problem is the girls do not have very polished or imaginative solos.

Joshua is clearly the best male dancer and with Will out I would say he's the best overall. Twitch is probably going home tonight. I have to say I would have love to see Will make it to the final.

scowl

07-31-08, 11:21 AM

Twitch looked really uncomfortable in the Mambo. It didn't look like he enjoyed one second of it. He solo may have been a rehash of last week's (I never remember a single thing from the solos) but Mark's was... what was that? I remember he took his shirt off.

I like Courtney's attitude and personality. If I had to learn some routine with any dancer, it would be her because she'd make it fun.

mac707

07-31-08, 11:24 AM

Linux23

07-31-08, 11:26 AM

lwien

07-31-08, 11:26 AM

I would not be surprised if Katee went home tonight.

:eek::eek::eek:

Airboss

07-31-08, 11:37 AM

I would not be surprised if Katee went home tonight.

:eek::eek::eek:

Obviously spid has not been paying attention.

scowl

07-31-08, 11:38 AM

How in the Sam Hill this old, white lady, who probably have never seen a ghetto before know what "Street" is.
In dance the term "street" has nothing to do with race or ghettos or anything like that. It's a term that professional dancers generally use to describe social dancing that doesn't match what established dance organizations define as a "proper dance" (i.e. it needs a syllabus, internationally defined moves, and rigid parameters to categorize it from other dances, and so on) so judges can rate the dancing fairly.

You can see this so-called "street dancing" in social ballrooms all around the country, from salsa to swing to hip-hop. Many dances were street dances long before they were adopted by dance organizations and became "proper" dances.

lwien

07-31-08, 11:44 AM

What IS interesting though is how little kudo's the judges gave Katee. They didn't say anything bad about her, but almost nothing good either. It's almost as if she's soooooo good, that the judges just EXPECT her to turn in a great performance.

Joshua, on the other hand, considering his lack of formal training (although he did admit on the show that he had some), got a LOT of kudo's and they were well deserved.

Either way, Katee is NOT going home tonight.

mac707

07-31-08, 11:44 AM

Courtney has been the most lovable and affectionate female dancer on the show. She has embraced and showed every male partner she danced with, affection. She's not afraid to hug and give compliments to them as well. That, IMHO, shows that she has a very good attitude.

Chelsie OTOH, seems kinda cold and conceited.

I guess what's lovable and affectionate to one is bitchy (to Gev and Mark), or clingy and whorish (Will and Josh) to another.

Sure didn't didn't seem lovable and affectionate when she told the nation Gev looked like a girl when he was young, or that he shaved his long chest hair, or that he was too toughy feely (Gev and Mark).

One of the funniest moments of the season to me was after her and Will finished a number last week she tried to get all clingy on him and he basically removed her hands and gave them back to her. I laughed....

Gmichael2

07-31-08, 11:45 AM

Welcome to, "So You Think You Can Choreograph." As someone else mentioned. It's getting old.

Katee did a great job last night and is looking like the cream of the crop to me. (as far as dancing)
Courtney was looking good, but her solo was a little "blah" for me.
Chelsie is my favorite, but Katee outshined her last night.
I'm not a big Mark fan, but last night he was smokin'!
Twitch looked a little off. I think his confidence took a hit last week and it showed this week.
Joshua was solid as ever. A very strong dancer, but not as much offstage personality as the other two. Not that he has none, just not as much.
Twitch should have put those teeth back in his mouth after Cat popped them in. They may as well swap some spit while they can.
Am I the only red blooded guy who noticed Katee's shorts running up? Thank goodness for DVR's!!!!!!

Courtney and Twitch will go IMO. I'll miss both of them.

scowl

07-31-08, 11:47 AM

By fun do you mean she'd whine that you groped her or were too touchy feely? Because she's done that to 2 of the 4 guys she's danced with.....

No, she would joke about it like she's done with two of the last four guys she's danced with. You realize she was joking, right? Stuff like this happens all the time in dancing. All you can do is ignore it (yeah right) or joke about it.

I've accidentally grabbed lots of boobs while swing dancing. Courtney's reaction was as funny as any I've gotten and I've gotten some hilarious ones. :)

cwilson

07-31-08, 11:50 AM

Mark was lucky in his dance routines this week after being unlucky the week before. Twitch drew the short end of the straw this time with a mambo and a hip-hop that wasn't much hip-hop. Luck of the draw on dances and choreographers still plays a big part. I'm sure Courtney was just kidding around about the boob incident and she is cute as can be. Probably Twitch and Courtney go tonight.

Interesting how several of the girls are terrible as self-choreographers but wonderful when someone else is at the helm. Comfort was the ultimate example but Katee also has very weak solos and Courtney is only slightly better while Chelsie takes advantage of her solo time. But I don't know if the voting audience really cares about the solos. Will was voted off after the best solo of the year - the James Brown thing - although Will's exit was kind of weird anyway.

chris8796

07-31-08, 11:52 AM

I've been a little disappointed this season overall. This season feels a little "over produced" to me. There just seems to be too many coincidences this year: The judges two least favorite dancers always seem to be matched up, an American Idol reference every show, the favorites seem to be guaranteed at least one dance in their preferred style. They seem to be pushing these feel good storylines, Katee almost cut before the top 20 makes a triumphant march to victory. Joshua with little formal training continues to impress, etc.

I would like to see the dancers compete using the same choreography or style at least once. An example, I think Katee would be hard pressed to look great doing the mambo with Twitch. While she looks phenomenal doing any dance that can be choreographed to exploit her contemporary style. The same can be said for all the dancers, they have a strong suit and weaknesses. The producers can stack the deck against or in favor of the dancers at anytime.

lwien

07-31-08, 11:53 AM

Am I the only red blooded guy who noticed Katee's shorts running up? Thank goodness for DVR's!!!!!!

Courtney and Twitch will go IMO. I'll miss both of them.

So will I.

Btw, do some frame by frames on your DVR on Chelsie's mambo when she doing those hip movements with her back towards the camera. :eek:

I don't think that I've EVER watched this show without doing more than just a few rewinds.:D

lwien

07-31-08, 11:59 AM

scowl

07-31-08, 12:02 PM

I guess what's lovable and affectionate to one is bitchy (to Gev and Mark), or clingy and whorish (Will and Josh) to another.
Oh boy, here we go with the "bitch" word again. Let's throw in "whore" while we're at it.

Sure didn't didn't seem lovable and affectionate when she told the nation Gev looked like a girl when he was young,
That was hilarious and totally true. Maybe you couldn't deal with a woman saying such things about you but most guys don't mind being teased by hot women.

or that he shaved his long chest hair,
No that rhymes-with-witch Kat pointed that out.

or that he was too toughy feely (Gev and Mark).
Oh man, these cracked me up every time. "I have to grab her butt?" "The rumba is over!" These were classic!

Have you ever done any partner dancing? This may be why you're getting confused. Unless you're married to your partner, there's always a funny feeling of tension because you have to express passion for your partner in front of people even if you don't really feel it. Many dancers deal with it with some casual affection. This is not "whorish" behavior, just having fun with your partner.

One of the funniest moments of the season to me was after her and Will finished a number last week she tried to get all clingy on him and he basically removed her hands and gave them back to her. I laughed....
Some guys don't like attractive women touching them. Nothing wrong with that. ;)

Airboss

07-31-08, 12:03 PM

I would like to see the dancers compete using the same choreography or style at least once. An example, I think Katee would be hard pressed to look great doing the mambo with Twitch. While she looks phenomenal doing any dance that can be choreographed to exploit her contemporary style. The same can be said for all the dancers, they have a strong suit and weaknesses. The producers can stack the deck against or in favor of the dancers at anytime.

Did you not see Katee's Passa Dobla last night? :confused: Every week she has excelled at every routine thrown her way! If you have the episodes on DVR go back and review them for yourself.

Gmichael2

07-31-08, 12:05 PM

Btw, do some frame by frames on your DVR on Chelsie's mambo when she doing those hip movements with her back towards the camera. :eek:

I don't think that I've EVER watched this show without doing more than just a few rewinds.:D

Saw that too. Also a good show. But I don't think those shorts were "riding up." They looked like they were made that short. Not that I mean to split hairs. :p

lwien

07-31-08, 12:06 PM

Sure didn't didn't seem lovable and affectionate when she told the nation Gev looked like a girl when he was young, or that he shaved his long chest hair, or that he was too toughy feely (Gev and Mark).

She was just joking around, Mac, much like a brother and sister would. More hamming it up for the camera than anything else as well as being a tension reliever while trying to learn a dance in such a short time.

chris062

07-31-08, 12:11 PM

By fun do you mean she'd whine that you groped her or were too touchy feely? Because she's done that to 2 of the 4 guys she's danced with.....
Whoa! Sounds like some of your own issues are being hit on.
I actually replayed the scene in which she complained about him touching her boob because I thought she might be acting a bit over sensitive, too. After seeing it the second time, I'm surprised that she was as nice as she was about it. I guess if she complained much more then people would complain that she was just being a "bitch" or some other demeaning term. He clearly stroked his fingers across the center of her breast and it did not appear to be in anyway accidental. In my opinion, the dude showed that he is a total creep.

lwien

07-31-08, 12:18 PM

Whoa! Sounds like some of your own issues are being hit on.
I actually replayed the scene in which she complained about him touching her boob because I thought she might be acting a bit over sensitive, too. After seeing it the second time, I'm surprised that she was as nice as she was about it. I guess if she complained much more then people would complain that she was just being a "bitch" or some other demeaning term. He clearly stroked his fingers across the center of her breast and it did not appear to be in anyway accidental. In my opinion, the dude showed that he is a total creep.

Wow !!! Your issues with him are as bad as Macs issues are with her.

Again, a lot of this is nothing more than light-hearted tension removers as well as the fact that when the camera's are rolling during rehearsals, there is a bit of conscious "hamming it up" for the cameras.

chris8796

07-31-08, 12:22 PM

Did you not see Katee's Passa Dobla last night? :confused: Every week she has excelled at every routine thrown her way! If you have the episodes on DVR go back and review them for yourself.

She looked great, but the Paso Doble doesn't have nearly the technical requirements of the Mambo. It was even choreographed with a much more contemporary feel than a precision partner dance. I think Joshua's power was the most memorable aspect of last night's Paso Doble, rather than Katee's part.

lwien

07-31-08, 12:26 PM

I think Joshua's power was the most memorable aspect of last night's Paso Doble, rather than Katee's part.

Yeah, but did she emote or what !! Didn't know she had that in her.

chris062

07-31-08, 12:31 PM

Maybe I'm wrong, After all I thought the guy was probably gay but it did look intentional upon further review.

mac707

07-31-08, 12:31 PM

She was just joking around, Mac, much like a brother and sister would. More hamming it up for the camera than anything else as well as being a tension reliever while trying to learn a dance in such a short time.

She may well be hamming it up but that just plays into my other reason for disliking her, she comes off as really, really fake. I guess to be an NBA dancer you sort of have to be but it's off puttng.

And as far as "these sorts of things happen all the time," that's exactly my point. The dancers have a ton of physical contact yet the only person to mention it at all this season is Courtney, there were 9 other girls in the top 10and none of them ever made a crack about it.

Oh well, if she stays tonight it doesn't really make a huge dif to me since I don't think there's a chance in hell that a girl wins this season.

lwien

07-31-08, 12:40 PM

Oh well, if she stays tonight it doesn't really make a huge dif to me since I don't think there's a chance in hell that a girl wins this season.

Katee's got a good chance. 50-50 between her and Joshua at this point.

spid

07-31-08, 12:40 PM

Obviously spid has not been paying attention.

I did not say she deserved to go home. I just said I would not be surprised if she went home. She had one great routine, one "just OK" solo, and one dance where her partner was the stand out performer. With six people splitting the vote it does not take much to swing the results from one way or another.

Airboss

07-31-08, 12:42 PM

And as far as "these sorts of things happen all the time," that's exactly my point. The dancers have a ton of physical contact yet the only person to mention it at all this season is Courtney, there were 9 other girls in the top 10and none of them ever made a crack about it.

That was shown during the broadcast.

We do not know if they complainted about it or not, they may have and it just wasn't shown. Perhaps it wasn't shown because rather than just being playful about it they were serious or got nasty about it. You never know. I took it as Courtney just being playful.

michaeltscott

07-31-08, 12:43 PM

One of the funniest moments of the season to me was after her and Will finished a number last week she tried to get all clingy on him and he basically removed her hands and gave them back to her. I laughed....I remember that :D. While one of their numbers was being praised by the judges she kept placing her hand on his belly and he kept brushing it off. I remember wondering whether they'd maybe had a little talk about that :).

I feel fairly certain that Twitch has reached the end; he did some really great work through the course of the competition but he's outclassed at this point. Mark surprised me--he really stepped up in his choreographed routines (not such a big fan of his goofy solos). In any case, I think that he deserves to move on this week though I didn't think so last week.

I'm a little torn between Chelsie and Courtney as to which should be eliminated. I think that Courtney does a good job week to week but I can't remember anything truly excellent from her. Like Twitch, I think that Chelsie is a bit one dimensional--she pulls off the other stuff they ask from her but ballroom is the only place she truly shines. Reminiscent of Anya from last season.

Like most here, I think that Katee and Joshua are the likely final pair.

spyder696969

07-31-08, 01:19 PM

Am I the only red blooded guy who noticed Katee's shorts running up? Thank goodness for DVR's!!!!!!

Amen to that! :D I too, fast-forwarded before I was forced to throw up!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sad+in+the+pants :(

scowl

07-31-08, 01:30 PM

She may well be hamming it up but that just plays into my other reason for disliking her, she comes off as really, really fake.
Dancing is fake. The partners are not in love with each other. They are not longing for each other. The passion in their eyes for each other is as fake as a three dollar bill. That's why partners joke around with each other like this in practice. Courtney is really good at joking around and likes to have fun with her partner during practice. Sign me up.

And as far as "these sorts of things happen all the time," that's exactly my point. The dancers have a ton of physical contact yet the only person to mention it at all this season is Courtney, there were 9 other girls in the top 10and none of them ever made a crack about it.
Uh, Chelsie has mentioned it at least twice. One time she said that Gev is getting lucky with grabbing Courtney's butt in a previous routine and grabbing whatever of hers in the next dance. And didn't she mention Mark pouncing on top of her in one dance?

The difference between Courtney and the other women is that she's a lot funnier than them and likes to joke about it. What's wrong with that? Dancing isn't supposed to be serious all the time.

lwien

07-31-08, 01:43 PM

Amen to that! :D I too, fast-forwarded before I was forced to throw up!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sad+in+the+pants :(

Your dislike for her, spyder, knows no bounds.:rolleyes:

Gmichael2

07-31-08, 01:50 PM

Amen to that! :D I too, fast-forwarded before I was forced to throw up!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sad+in+the+pants :(

Come on Spyder. Booty is booty. Even if you don't like her.;)

jonnythan

07-31-08, 02:09 PM

I cannot imagine how anyone could find any of the remaining girls anything less than very attractive.

If you think one of them is physically repulsive, there has to be something about her personality or social interactions that you just can't stand.

lwien

07-31-08, 02:15 PM

If you think one of them is physically repulsive, there has to be something about her personality or social interactions that you just can't stand.

How does ones personality or social interactions have anything to do with how good her butt looks or doesn't look?

I just find it amazing that spyder is incapable of separating his personal dislike for her because of what she did during the auditions, from her dancing abilities or her physical appearance. I guess that he's just incapable of disliking and liking certain aspects of the same person at the same time. I find that just a bit odd.

jonnythan

07-31-08, 02:47 PM

How does ones personality or social interactions have anything to do with how good her butt looks or doesn't look?

I just find it amazing that spyder is incapable of separating his personal dislike for her because of what she did during the auditions, from her dancing abilities or her physical appearance. I guess that he's just incapable of disliking and liking certain aspects of the same person at the same time. I find that just a bit odd.

People tend to find others physically attractive or unattractive for reasons other than their looks.

lwien

07-31-08, 02:53 PM

People tend to find others physically attractive or unattractive for reasons other than their looks.

I know, but I still find it odd. I can personally dislike a person, but still capable of recognizing other positive aspects that they may have.

cwilson

07-31-08, 03:07 PM

Wasn't Katee's criime that during auditions she said that if she didn't make it on the show this time she wouldn't try again next year? And of course the judges got on their high horses and said if you can't stand rejection you can't make it in this business. This season shows how silly that cliche is.

Katee is, to me, not a pretty girl. I suspect that she is not crazy about her looks and for that reason is shy and lacking in confidence off the dance floor. I'm sure that's part of why she said she wouldn't come back next year. Obviously a person's bone structure is not her fault, just the luck of the draw, and I'm cheering for her partly because the other two girls are by chance physically more attractive. What's wonderful is that when Katee dances, she becomes beautiful. All three girls are amazingly talented but Katee is special and the grace of her performances brings out the emotions.

And I'm happy that many of you here do find her attractive. Different strokes.

snuba

07-31-08, 03:19 PM

Booty is booty.

Deep Thoughts on AVS forum. So simple yet so true.

lwien

07-31-08, 03:22 PM

What's wonderful is that when Katee dances, she becomes beautiful.

Yup. +1

Her whole "being" changes when she dances, more so than I think any other dancer on the program.

Linux23

07-31-08, 03:39 PM

Katee is not physically attractive? You guys on this forum must be super models then?:rolleyes:

lwien

07-31-08, 03:49 PM

Katee is not physically attractive? You guys on this forum must be super models then?:rolleyes:

I don't think she as attractive as Courtney or Chelsie, but that all changes when she begins to dance.

Gmichael2

07-31-08, 03:50 PM

Katee has a little issue with her teeth & gums being too big for her mouth.
But she's still got a nice butt & little to no fat. I'd do'er.
And she seems like an honestly nice person. That's got to count for something.:rolleyes:

SowegaBowler

07-31-08, 03:58 PM

All of the top 6 got straight A's from me last night (they were all very good), so I will just provide comments on them:

Chelsie: OMG, Cha-Cha Chelsie is a mambo mama! :) She exceeded my expectations on her mambo with Twitch; I almost needed a pacemaker after watching her form throughout that routine. Ditto for her solo; it excites me so much to see her sassy hip movements. Oh yes, she also did well on her hip-hop with Twitch; I rarely see that from someone who performs out of his or her element. I hope she goes all the way...

Courtney: Performed admirably with Mark on the waltz and jazz dances, but still just a smidgeon short of the talent level of Chelsie and Katee. I am betting on her to get booted tonight.

Joshua: Looked comfortable being reunited with Katee for their contemporary and paso doble. He just may sneak in and make the final four.

Katee: She continues to impress me every week. She really shined on her contemporary dance with Joshua, and provided some more spark on her paso doble (almost on a par with Chelsie) and her solo. If Chelsie doesn't take the trophy, I sure hope Katee does. :)

Mark: Like Courtney, he does not quite have the talent of Joshua or Twitch, despite turning in good performances last night. I am banking on him to leave tonight.

Twitch: OK, so letting Cat wear his fake teeth was in questionable taste, or at least I will take your word for it. Still, he provides a bit of street flair to the show, and I think he will make it to next week's finale. He and Chelsie showed quite a bit of chemistry last night.

lwien

07-31-08, 04:09 PM

Katee has a little issue with her teeth & gums being too big for her mouth.

Or it's that her mouth is too small for her teeth and gums, which is a pretty common trait among those that share her ethnic background.

Personally, I tend to admire Asian beauty more than just about any other. Must be because I'm not Asian. ;)

Gmichael2

07-31-08, 04:23 PM

Or it's that her mouth is too small for her teeth and gums, which is a pretty common trait among those that share her ethnic background.

You say potato, I say french fry.

Missed your edit. Maybe we both do say potato. I married an Asian girl. Best move I ever made.

Kamakzie

07-31-08, 04:27 PM

She's soooooo unpretentious which makes her as good of a host as she is.

I can't imagine Seacrest doing that. He would be like "ewwww cooties!!" I really wish they could replace Seacrest with Cat on AI too. Seacrest isn't horrible or anything but she's a lot sweeter.

lwien

07-31-08, 04:40 PM

I can't imagine Seacrest doing that. He would be like "ewwww cooties!!"

LOL. She did the "ewwww cooties!!" thing too, but she did it anyway. Gotta love it.

Of course, it may have something to do with her boss asking her to do it. :)

scowl

07-31-08, 04:41 PM

Her whole "being" changes when she dances, more so than I think any other dancer on the program.

I have danced with many women who are average-looking but at social dances always have a circle of guys waiting to dance with them because they're so damn good. Is there any wonder why these women are so into dance?

wblynch

07-31-08, 04:45 PM

What was the purpose of Paula Abdul hamming it up in the background? Jeez....

Anyway, Twitch and Courtney to leave tonight.

Personally I wish they'd allow two females to make it to the finals. I'd love to see Katee battle it out with Chelsie. (assuming Chelsie's survives tonight)

lwien

07-31-08, 04:46 PM

I have danced with many women who are average-looking but at social dances always have a circle of guys waiting to dance with them because they're so damn good. Is there any wonder why these women are so into dance?

I've heard many actors and actresses asked why they got drawn into acting and why they like it so much, and many say that the reason is, is because it allows them the opportunity to become someone else.

I have no doubt that that same dynamic goes on with dancers such as Katee.

Linux23

07-31-08, 05:14 PM

In dance the term "street" has nothing to do with race or ghettos or anything like that. It's a term that professional dancers generally use to describe social dancing that doesn't match what established dance organizations define as a "proper dance" (i.e. it needs a syllabus, internationally defined moves, and rigid parameters to categorize it from other dances, and so on) so judges can rate the dancing fairly.

You can see this so-called "street dancing" in social ballrooms all around the country, from salsa to swing to hip-hop. Many dances were street dances long before they were adopted by dance organizations and became "proper" dances.

Ok, thanks for the clarification Scowl.:)

Airboss

07-31-08, 05:29 PM

As far as booty being booty, I must whole-heartedly disagree...

Thanks a lot spyder, I was eating supper as I was reading this thread.... that is until I came upon the image in your post. :(

lwien

07-31-08, 05:32 PM

I guess it's completely acceptable for others to allow their biases to allow them to think that Katee is; cuter than a bushel of kittens, a more talented dancer than Cyd Charisse, and excedes Mother Teresa in disposition...yet it's absolutely beyond the realm of possibility for someone not to care for her personality, looks, or (lack of) creativity without something "being wrong" with them? :rolleyes:

Nope. It's TOTALLY within the realm of possibility for someone not to care for her personality, AND it's totally understandable why someone would not care for her looks...........but to say that she lacks creativity is an objective statement that by most opinions, not only here, but the judges as well, just doesn't add up. The ONLY thing that makes any sense is that you are allowing your personal dislike for her to cloud your ability to see what she brings to the table.

But in the whole scheme of things, I guess it really doesn't matter if you or I like her or not. Fact is, is that she is where she is in the competition for only ONE reason and that is because she is an excellent dancer and one of the best on the show.

Kamakzie

07-31-08, 05:45 PM

I find Katee's mouth a little odd shape but I certainly wouldn't kick her out of the sack.

wblynch

07-31-08, 06:04 PM

I sure wish that picture could be edited out. Extremely bad taste.

Thank you.

lwien

07-31-08, 06:12 PM

I sure wish that picture could be edited out. Extremely bad taste.

Only if you keep looking at it.

jonnythan

07-31-08, 07:11 PM

I just watched last night's show.

Courtney was totally joking around with Mark and the boob thing.

Twitch and Chelsie are going home.

michaeltscott

07-31-08, 07:42 PM

I sure wish that picture could be edited out. Extremely bad taste.

Thank you.The entire post was removed. Cool :). No one should see something like that without warning or consent.

Airboss

07-31-08, 08:31 PM

D*mn satelite, I lost the channel 1 minute after the show began and it's still searching for the signal... it's not even raining that hard!!! :mad:

I hate cable but I wish I had it now.

Airboss

07-31-08, 08:35 PM

What a pain in the a**, I'm reading the live blog to keep up with what's happening on the show! Still no signal.

Airboss

07-31-08, 08:39 PM

:)Just read that Katee is safe.

Airboss

07-31-08, 08:47 PM

Josh safe, yeah!! This sucks having to read it and not get to see it.

michaeltscott

07-31-08, 08:49 PM

Well, I hope it's Twitch and Chelsie that go home tonight. I'll have to give Mark props, he put Twitch to shame last night. Twitch was horrible, his solo was just a rehash of last weeks and once again he was playing the whole "Super Twitch" thing. Doesn't he own another t-shirt?Delayed reaction--I was just watching last nights performances over and the tee that Twitch wore during his solo this week had a big round gold thing on the chest (appropriate for "the Midas touch" theme)--the emblem was a stylized silhouette of a face crowned with a spherical afro with a pick stuck in it.

jonnythan

07-31-08, 08:56 PM

1 for 1 so far

jonnythan

07-31-08, 08:58 PM

Ooh 1 for 2.

I'll miss Chelsie and Mark. Together they did the single best dance I've ever seen on this show.

Airboss

07-31-08, 08:59 PM

Just read that Coutney made it!!!

Airboss

07-31-08, 08:59 PM

And Twitch.

Airboss

07-31-08, 09:00 PM

AND NOW MY PICTURE AND SOUND RETURNS!!!!!

Sorry for screaming but I can not believe that I had no picture for the entire show and at the last minute it returns!

michaeltscott

07-31-08, 09:01 PM

BTW, I found this cool Season 4 Elimination Chart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_You_Think_You_Can_Dance_%28Season_4%29#Elimination_chart) on Wikipedia. Interesting that only Katee, Joshua and Chelsie have never been in the bottom prior to this week (obviously, only one of the girls could avoid being in the bottom 4 this week--right one, for my money).

EDIT: Twitch made it to the finale? Twitch??? Two hip-hop specialist finalists--bizarre.

Airboss

07-31-08, 09:08 PM

Delayed reaction--I was just watching last nights performances over and the tee that Twitch wore during his solo this week had a big round gold thing on the chest (appropriate for "the Midas touch" theme)--the emblem was a stylized silhouette of a face crowned with a spherical afro with a pick stuck in it.

In the opening routine he had his "Super Twitch" shirt on. In his solo you are correct he had a different shirt on.

michaeltscott

07-31-08, 09:13 PM

In the opening routine he had his "Super Twitch" shirt on. In his solo you are correct he had a different shirt on.Ah--I didn't pay much attention to the 10 second intro dance. He'd performed his solo in one of those shirts twice before (in two different colors from the one he was wearing last night--he must own a bunch of 'em).

SowegaBowler

07-31-08, 09:13 PM

I am happy that Katee and Courtney made it to the finale, as talented and bubbly as they are. Still, I am saddened to see Cha-Cha Chelsie go, being that she had been my favorite since her dazzling audition in SLC. Her smile and fiery Latin verve will truly be missed. I wish her, and also Mark, much luck in the future.

It's a very strong final 4, but I am banking on Katee to take the trophy. It's hard to resist her smile and knack for dancing.

lexluthor

07-31-08, 09:28 PM

My DVR couldn't forward through that act at the end fast enough.

What was that!?

mac707

08-01-08, 12:08 AM

Bleh, 2 bad elims tonight. Twitch and Courtney should have gone based on merit (or lack thereof) but such is life. It's basically a 2.5 horse race at this point (Joshua, Katee and Twitch is the half if he has a miraculous week next week) but I admit that a lot of my rooting interest went out the door with Mark and Chelsie.

lwien

08-01-08, 12:16 AM

Man, I was wrong on both !! I thought for sure it was gonna be Twitch that was gonna go. Courtney and Chelsie was a closer call but after thinkin about it a bit, Chelsie really did pigeon herself as a ballroom dancer because she was so darn good at it.

michaeltscott

08-01-08, 12:19 AM

Twitch I can't understand--I totally thought that Mark blew him out of the water this week. Then again, on merit Mark really shouldn't have been there in the first place. He's possesses a minor fraction of the talent that Will was able to display, and Will was eliminated after what I thought was a good night for him. "America" is a fickle bitch :rolleyes:.

Chelsie I never particularly liked. I don't much care for ballroom dancing and she was way too polarized in that direction. She also had a cocky air about her that turned me off.

cwilson

08-01-08, 12:38 AM

America votes funny.

And not just for president.

lwien

08-01-08, 12:45 AM

America votes funny.

And not just for president.
:D

wblynch

08-01-08, 02:32 AM

I was wrong again. (what's new?)

I will miss Chelsie. She is raw sex appeal.

mx6bfast

08-01-08, 07:06 AM

Twitch I can't understand--I totally thought that Matt blew him out of the water this week. Then again, on merit Matt really shouldn't have been there in the first place. He's possesses a minor fraction of the talent that Will was able to display, and Will was eliminated after what I thought was a good night for him. "America" is a fickle bitch :rolleyes:.
We know who you are talking about but if you want to change your post it's Mark. :)

jonnythan

08-01-08, 08:41 AM

Two hip-hop specialist finalists--bizarre.

Um.. who is the other?

mac707

08-01-08, 09:07 AM

Um.. who is the other?

Twitch and Joshua....and Courtney, while not a HH specialist was a Knicks dancer so she is well versed in HH as well.

Gmichael2

08-01-08, 09:51 AM

Thanks a lot spyder, I was eating supper as I was reading this thread.... that is until I came upon the image in your post. :(

Originally Posted by spyder696969
As far as booty being booty, I must whole-heartedly disagree...

Where is this post from Spyder? I can't find it. Am I going blind so soon?

lwien

08-01-08, 09:55 AM

Post was removed by mods.

Gmichael2

08-01-08, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by spyder696969
As far as booty being booty, I must whole-heartedly disagree...

Where is this post from Spyder? I can't find it. Am I going blind so soon?

Nevermind. I saw that it was removed for whatever reason.

Spyder, you are welcome to not like anyone as far as I'm concerned. Only teasing you a bit. Hope you don't mind. Oh yeah, and booty is still booty. Parts is parts man.

I blew this week. I would have put money on Cortney and Twitch going home. Good thing I don't gamble.:D

They are all so good at this point that anything could happen.
One more week to go.

jonnythan

08-01-08, 10:46 AM

Twitch and Joshua....and Courtney, while not a HH specialist was a Knicks dancer so she is well versed in HH as well.

I don't see how you can peg Joshua as a hip-hop specialist.

That may be what he did before, but he has pretty much nailed every single style of dance thrown his way, from contemporary to Bollywood to Samba. I think he is going to win.

Twitch, however, is indeed a specialist.

spyder696969

08-01-08, 10:55 AM

jonnythan

08-01-08, 11:00 AM

Did anyone else find it as incredibly sad as I did that a SYTYCD Season 2 FINALIST was dancing backup for that gawd-awful "Lady Ga-Ga" that sang at the end last night? :( With her ridiculous act and the pathetic "choreography" for her dancers, that seemed like quite a cursed fate for a FINALIST.

I don't think being a FINALIST on So You Think You Can Dance automatically puts you in the upper echelon of professional dancers.

Remember these people are more or less amateurs, and SYTYCD is a television show based on popularity among people who will never pay to see a professional dance and know nothing about pro dancing.

Come on, how much real work is there for a pro dancer?

scowl

08-01-08, 11:08 AM

Twitch I can't understand--I totally thought that Matt blew him out of the water this week.

I think maybe it came down to solos. Of course Twitch is fantastic at what he does and has great musicality (every motion has something to do with the music). Mark... what is that stuff he does? Jump around, fiddle with his clothes and make funny faces? He's a much much better dancer than that but was never able to come up with a solo to demonstrate that.

Same thing with Chelsie. Her legs and feet are as fast as lightening and amazingly precise but who notices these little things besides other dancers? What most people do notice is the dancer who uses the whole stage with large expressive movements and that's what Courtney did.

michaeltscott

08-01-08, 11:20 AM

I don't see how you can peg Joshua as a hip-hop specialist.

That may be what he did before, but he has pretty much nailed every single style of dance thrown his way, from contemporary to Bollywood to Samba. I think he is going to win.

Twitch, however, is indeed a specialist.Whether or not he's excelled at other styles is irrelevant (and I'd agree that he has, but the same is true of Twitch, to a lesser extent). They all have to have shown ability to quickly adapt to other dance styles to advance as far as they have. Joshua got into the competition with an audition of the "popping" street style and every last one of his solos was performed in the same style. It's his primary thing. He may have demonstrated a talent for contemporary, jazz, disco and ballroom, but so far as we know he never danced in those styles before this program.

Has anyone whose specialty was a "street" dance style ever gotten to the finale before? I don't think so. This year, we have two.

zalusky

08-01-08, 12:04 PM

I have to say I like them all and my wife and I especially like Mark's musicality. His solo's are interesting and different every time. He thinks about it just like Twitch and Joshua. Katee and Courtney as good as they are when choreographed have boring one note solos.

Cal1981

08-01-08, 12:22 PM

Interesting results last night. I was a bit surprised that Courtney stayed and Chelsie got the heave ho. Chelsie has had a terrific run on the show. She is an excellent dancer and is close to gorgeous. On the other hand, Courtney (cuter than hell BTW) has whethered some criticism and low votes and over the past few weeks has really upped her game. She is clearly a very good dancer but she is also a superb performer who really sells out on every routine. She's pretty tiny and has real spunk. That is very appealing. Joshua and Katee were no-brainers. Pairing them up again pretty much locked their places in the finals. Something very special happens when they dance. Joshua's power and speed and Katee's precision and speed are perfectly matched and it shows when they are onstage. Mark and Twitch was probably very close. Mark is at his best when the routine tells a story and he can act as well as dance. Like Courtney, he sells it in that situation. Twitch is the one of the most interesting contestants that the show has had. From what was on one of his background packages, he is far more accomplished than being just a "street" dancer. He has done training and choreography professionally. While he is sometimes out of his element in ballroom dances, he still manages to dance in a creditable way and is always a good partner. He seems to be good at framing the woman, a key aspect of that genre. He is also a very likable guy and has a good sense humor and about himself. That really plays well with voters. For next week, who knows but my first guess in order of elimination would be:
Courtney
Twitch
Joshua
Katee wins
I wouldn't be surprised to see Joshua win however.

mac707

08-01-08, 12:44 PM

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the disclaimer Cat gave that the person they sent to safety may not have been the one with the most votes. My personal belief is that they were just BSing or trying to level the voting field for next week because if that true it would mean that either Courtney had the most votes of all the girls or Twitch led the guys in voting...and I just don't see either of those being the case.

DSperber

08-01-08, 12:45 PM

I think that Courtney does a good job week to week but I can't remember anything truly excellent from her.This week's jazz routine by Courtney and Mark (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiaG6QqLzQs) WAS terrific. Could have been the music ("The Garden", by Mirah), but it was also the choreography (by Sonya) as well as the fabulous performance... especially by Courtney. Might have been my favorite performance of the season by anyone.

And when they showed a snippet during the results show, Cat was absolutely right when she tried to imitate Courtney's [what I call] "snake walk" move over Mark (which is at 1:28 in the above referenced uTube clip) and called it her "favorite move of the season". That was absolutely fabulous. I replayed it about 10 times.

This is going to be one tough decision for America. I really like Courtney's gutsiness and spunk, and despite her Lakers-girl dancing style she sure does manage to do anything they throw at her... and really well (IMHO). But Katee has the more professional style, better lines, and more elegance. Her legs seem more extended when she dances, while Courtney's seem bent (maybe it's because Courtney is shorter that it looks that way). Katee's Contemporary "All By Myself" number with Joshua this week (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2qneVevuW8) was stunning, probably mostly because of Joshua's strength. As Mary pointed out, her split-leap in mid-air to a dead-stop on his arms [1:26 into the above uTube clip] was just remarkable.

Which brings us to the guys, where despite Joshua's shyness and inability to talk his miraculous almost prodigy-like untrained yet inherent all-styles dancing skills are almost insipirational. I think America loves him. Twitch gives it his all, and is modest but appealing, but it will be Joshua in the end... at least on the male side.

These four (or at least top 3) are all really good, and really nice people, and really popular. I can't imagine how the vote will go, since only one of them can win.

But Courtney's "snake walk" step last night was fantastic.

scowl

08-01-08, 12:53 PM

I have to say I like them all and my wife and I especially like Mark's musicality. His solo's are interesting and different every time.
Interesting? Sure. Different? Not as far as I could tell. Last night he played with his suspenders. The night before he played with his shirt. They were interchangeable performances and what they had to do with the music is beyond me.

scowl

08-01-08, 01:04 PM

But Katee has the more professional style and elegance. Her Paso Doble with Joshua this week was stunning, probably mostly because of Joshua's strength. As Mary pointed out, her split-leap in mid-air to a dead-stop on his arms was just remarkable.

I can't figure out how he did that. His arms simply appeared under her and she stopped in mid-air without dropping an inch. She looked weightless.

DSperber

08-01-08, 01:19 PM

I can't figure out how he did that. His arms simply appeared under her and she stopped in mid-air without dropping an inch. She looked weightless.My mistake in the original post, since edited. It was a CONTEMPORARY number, not Paso Doble.

Nevertheless, when it happened I was stunned. She didn't fall, she didn't move, she didn't wobble, and his arms just held her like he was made of stone. Remarkable indeed. And Katee just went for it way up high, with 100% confidence he'd catch her when she came down. And her legs were both perfectly horizontal... a real split!

DSperber

08-01-08, 01:48 PM

I actually enjoyed the Lady GaGa number. That song is absolutely infectious, probably a world #1 hit by now.

I first saw them do it a few weeks back on Miss Universe 2008 live from Viet Nam. The song was used as the "stomping music" background for the swimsuit competition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGvSB4GPPqQ) (be sure to click on the "view in high quality" link).

There were only two female backup dancers in the Miss Universe performance, but they had a whole bunch of guy backup dancers on SYTYCD which made it a much bigger production.

In particular, there is a "charleston-like" step that first caught my eye on the Miss Universe show [seen at 1:02 and then again at 5:23 into the above uTube clip]. Very very catchy legwork. Looks great!

Well in the production version on SYTYCD this week, with all of the additional male dancers, that same "charleston" step (performed just at the very end of the number) looked fantastic... with all their legs flying at once but synchronized perfectly. Kind of reminded me of clogging, and the Riverdance synchronized steps with all the legs moving wildly but in perfect uniformity.

I don't know which was really my favorite this week... the "charleston" step by the large group Lady GaGa dancers, or the "snake-walk" step by Courtney. Loved 'em both.

vurbano

08-01-08, 01:49 PM

I was wrong again. (what's new?)

I will miss Chelsie. She is raw sex appeal.Not half as sexy as Courtney.

lwien

08-01-08, 02:41 PM

Gmichael2

08-01-08, 03:08 PM

jonnythan

08-01-08, 03:19 PM

I think it's a safe bet that "Lady Gaga" wasn't singing last night.

Gmichael2

08-01-08, 03:22 PM

I think it's a safe bet that "Lady Gaga" wasn't singing last night.

Then why did it sound so bad?

WS65711

08-01-08, 03:29 PM

One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread...........

Another thing that hasn't been mentioned. I've noticed in prior years, and continuing into this year, that Nigel never never ever uses the word "two" or "both" when giving critiques. It's always "the pair of you", never "both of you" or "the two of you". Whassup wit dat??? :D

DSperber

08-01-08, 04:19 PM

Then why did it sound so bad?I think that was probably intentional... post-modern robo-imagery, like the whole style of the choreography and the techno Euro-dance music.

Over-modulation and distortion (I think she was actually singing), strange futuristic sunglasses at the start and end of the SYTYCD number... I think it was all intentional, though I agree it didn't quite come off nearly as cool as their Miss Universe performance. I actually preferred her in neoprene "frog skin" black pants and high platform shoes to her leotard and stockings "showgirl" outfit on SYTYCD.

Nevertheless, I've already bought the track. Couldn't resist.

DSperber

08-01-08, 04:23 PM

lwien

08-01-08, 05:53 PM

He's British! That's their way of saying it.

Yup. Kinda like the way they spell color and tire.;)

spyder696969

08-01-08, 06:38 PM

Another thing that hasn't been mentioned. I've noticed in prior years, and continuing into this year, that Nigel never never ever uses the word "two" or "both" when giving critiques. It's always "the pair of you", never "both of you" or "the two of you". Whassup wit dat??? :D

I won't play it down to something as obtuse as mere nationality. :confused: I feel that Nygel uses the word "pair" because it is far more critical and descriptive of an individual situation, not to mention grammatically correct.

Example 1:
You have Dancer #1 and Dancer #2. Dancer #1 consistently sucks in the solos. Dancer #2 shines every time. You cannot say that "both" of them are superb overall. However, as a "pair" they may have "both" nailed their partner dances together.

Example 2:
Dancer #1 may make up for the deficiencies of Dancer #2 on a certain genre, while it may be just the opposite with a different genre. As a "pair" they may appear quite good, even though "both" of them might not be so great otherwise. In contrast, Dancer #3 and Dancer #4 may both excel at one genre but look horrible at another, thus creating a bad "pair" in one instance and a great "pair" in another, despite the fact that the two of them may or may not be good dancers overall.

Example 3:
Dancer #1 is a prop for Dancer #2. (This commonly happens with males.) Dancer #1 does what appears to be basically nothing, while Dancer #2 appears to be spotlighted. However, Dancer #2 could not be showcased so well if it were not for Dancer #1's partnering skills. (Lifting, catching, tossing, leading, etc.) Together, they make a great "pair" rather than just "two" dancers coming together.

WS65711

08-01-08, 06:50 PM

Thanks Spyder, I hadn't thought of it that way before. But I think you're singularly correct. :D

SowegaBowler

08-01-08, 06:58 PM

One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread.

Does anyone realize how EXHAUSTED these dancers must be by now? They need to learn AND rehearse not only two totally new duets every week with their partners, but also a new group number every week along with their solos as well as dealing with the emotional stress of competition.

Professional dancers don't go through this kind of gauntlet.

AMAZING athletes, every one.
They are amazing indeed...they can go through some 40 routines in some 10 weeks without having to reach for Ben-Gay.;)

And about Lady Ga-Ga...I wasn't all that ga-ga for her (except for her legs and backside.);)

lwien

08-01-08, 07:13 PM

They are amazing indeed...they can go through some 40 routines in some 10 weeks without having to reach for Ben-Gay.;)

Well, THAT we don't know. For all we know, they may be reaching for something a bit stronger than Ben-Gay. But even so, it's still pretty darn amazing.

Ya know, I think that's what happened to Kherington. She just seemed to run out of steam after her Krump routine with Twitch. Just got tired.

SowegaBowler

08-01-08, 08:36 PM

Ya know, I think that's what happened to Kherington. She just seemed to run out of steam after her Krump routine with Twitch. Just got tired.
Yes, I remember her looking and sounding exhausted after that dance (though I still think she left a bit too early; she should have been at least top 8).

Forget Ben-Gay; she probably needed a gallon of Red Bull.:D

Linux23

08-11-08, 10:11 AM

LOL, so everything got deleted before I could read all of the posts regarding the finale. Bummer. :(

mac707

08-11-08, 10:31 AM

Basically:

Sypder continued his "past the point of being amusing" dislike for Katee but loved that Josh won.

Vurbano was treading dangerously close to be labelled racist (IMHO) while encouraging great dancers to purposefully tank routines if they are paired with a crappy partner because the choreographers would want it that way (yea it didn't make sense to anyone else either)

A lot of folks thought Katee got robbed

A lot of other folks thought Joshua was a worthy winner

Almost everyone thought the finale was well done

There was some discussion of the "not quite HD" feed from Fox

Aaaand that's pretty much all I remember, I have a post on another forum with my thoughts on the finale itself so I may post that a bit later.

scowl

08-11-08, 11:13 AM

And one poster felt the popularity of hip-hop dancing is ruining our culture. OK, maybe I was reading a little too much into that! :)

michaeltscott

08-11-08, 11:47 AM

I, for one, never took vurbano's comments as being racist (for one thing, he seems to be a big fan of Will, who was, IMHO, the most technically accomplished dancer of the season). He's just anti-street-style-dance, and it's been a long time since street dance styles were exclusively "a black thang"--witness the popping contest in the finale between two white boys :)). A few others have expressed the same sentiment and they have a right to that opinion.

wblynch

08-11-08, 12:06 PM

So, I take it something came in and wiped out the thread?

I was wondering why I didn't get any notices from new postings.

Oh well... It was a great season and we enjoyed watching it a lot. I saved the performances from the top 18 to the finale along with the final results show to my PC so we can go back in a few months and watch again.

We felt Katee got robbed. Am I right that Sabra is the only female winner? Something's wrong there.

My wife voted 20 times for Katee and she never votes on these shows but I believe the show's audience is overwhelmingly under-30 women. That may explain the final results.

It may be heresy to say in this thread but we are looking forward to the new Dancing With the Stars. We like both shows.

michaeltscott

08-11-08, 12:28 PM

.

Here's a table of the various dance styles which were featured on the show week-by-week, as derived from this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_You_Think_You_Can_Dance_%28Season_4%29) Wikipedia article:

Dance Style|Week 1|Week 2|Week 3|Week 4|Week 5|Week 6|Week 7|Week 8|Week 9|Totals
Contemporary|1|1|1|2|2|1|1|1|0|10
Street|2|2|2|2|2|2|2|1|1|16
Ballroom|4|4|3|6|5|3|3|3|2|33
Broadway|1|1|0|2|1|1|1|0|1|8
Jazz|1|1|1|2|1|1|0|1|1|9
Other|1|0|1|0|1|2|1|0|1|7
Totals|10|9|8|14|12|10|8|6|6|83

There [i]was somewhat more street-style dancing than anything other than ballroom, of which there was at least twice as much as anything else. (I'm lumping all the latin and swing into ballroom, as highly codified competition styles--separated out, it was probably mostly latin: tangos, mambos, sambas, rhumbas, salsas, cha-chas, etc). They managed to work at least two street-style dances into every program until they got down to only 6 partner routines in weeks 8 and 9.

Lots of everything was danced to popular music, including the non-latin ballroom pieces, like waltzes and foxtrots. The show is targeted at a pretty young audience--as young or younger than the contestants (I think that Thayne and Twitch were the eldest, at 27 and 25, respectively, with the majority ranging from 18-22). If you want to hold the attention of that group, you'd better use a lot of popular music, and contemporary R&B and hip-hop are the most consistently danceable forms of our time.

NOTE: A bit frustrated with the difficulty of editing tables into posts here, I found code for a [table] BBcode tag posted in the vBulletin forum and went to the AVS "Forum Operations" forum to beg for it. David Bott read my plea and installed the thing less than an hour after I asked for it (thanks again, David :)). The tag isn't everything that I could ask for, but the author is still tweaking it, and it sure looks a lot better than the character tables that I've entered using the [code] tag.

spyder696969

08-11-08, 01:26 PM

Well, since everyone else is recapping, here's what really happened:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/kateeshean.jpg

received a thorough:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/bettie_page_spank01-large.jpg

from not only the winner:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/joshuaallen.jpg

but also:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/twitchboss.jpg

as well!

Lots of people at AVS reacted accordingly:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/BabyBawling.jpg

in contrast to the rest of America:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/76176520_10.jpg

lwien

08-11-08, 01:34 PM

Ahhhh...........Bettie Page !! :)

mx6bfast

08-11-08, 02:04 PM

Too bad all of the stupidness in this thread didn't go bye bye.

Josh won, no one else did. Seems like an ending to me, right?

michaeltscott

08-11-08, 02:46 PM

Contestant|Week 1||Week 2||Week 3||Week 4||Week 5|
Joshua|Hip-Hop|S|Broadway|S|Samba|S|Contempo, W.C. Swing|S|V. Waltz, Bollywood|S
Katee|Hip-Hop|S|Broadway|S|Samba|S|Contempo, W.C. Swing|S|V. Waltz, Bollywood|S
Twitch|Broadway|S|V. Waltz|S|Hip-Hop|S|Paso Doble, Contempo|S|Krump, Tango|B
Courtney|Contempo|S|Contempo|S|Rhumba|S|Hip-Hop, Broadway|B|Cha-cha, Jazz|S
Mark|Contempo|S|A. Tango|S|Hip-Hop|S|Jazz, Foxtrot|S|Salsa, Broadway|S
Chelsie|Contempo|S|A. Tango|S|Hip-Hop|S|Jazz, Foxtrot|S|Salsa, Broadway|S

Contestant|Week 6||Week 7||Week 8||Week 9|
Joshua|Hip-Hop, Rhumba|S|A. Tango, Disco|S|Contempo, Paso Doble|S|L. Jazz, Trepak, Jive|Win
Katee|Broadway, Pas de deux|S|Contempo, Broadway|S|Contempo, Paso Doble|S|L. Jazz, Broadway, Foxtrot|3rd
Twitch|S. Waltz, Hip-Hop|B|Contempo, Broadway|B|Mambo, Hip-Hop|S|Hip-Hop, Trepak, Jive|2nd
Courtney|Hip-Hop, Rhumba|S|Samba, Hip-Hop|B|V. Waltz, Jazz|S|Hip-Hop, Broadway, Foxtrot|4th
Mark|CW Two Step, Jazz|B|Hip-Hop, Fox Trot|S|V. Waltz, Jazz|E|
Chelsie|Contempo, Jive|S|A. Tango, Disco|S|Mambo, Hip-Hop|E|

Contestant|Contempo|Street|Ballroom|Broadway|Jazz|Other|
Joshua|2|2|7|1|1|3|Bollywood, Disco, Trepak
Katee|3|1|5|4|1|2|Bollywood, Pas de Deux
Twitch|2|5|6|2|0|1|Trepak
Courtney|2|4|6|2|2|0|
Mark|1|2|5|1|3|1|CW Two Step
Chelsie|2|2|6|1|1|1|Disco

mac707

08-11-08, 02:55 PM

[SIZE="5"]Well, since everyone else is recapping, here's what really happened:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/kateeshean.jpg

received a thorough:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/bettie_page_spank01-large.jpg

Yep, she got an ass kicking from Twitch...along with $50,000, while Twitch got second place and $0.

;)

wblynch

08-11-08, 03:08 PM

Not mentioned in the above tables are the Solo styles and other miscelaneous performances.

Also it would be hard to count all the tryouts and preliminaries but street dancing definitely dominated those programs.

Street dancing certainly ruled the season.

I for one wish they would emphasize traditional dance styles as it forces people like Comfort to prove they can really dance instead of relying on the old "crotch grab" and "crossed arms" to stay in the competition.

I swear if I see one more crotch grab, "gang" sign on the shoulder or "crossed arms throwdown" I'm gonna barf.

(I know, I know... I'll get my barf bag ready for next season)

lwien

08-11-08, 03:32 PM

I for one wish they would emphasize traditional dance styles as it forces people like Comfort to prove they can really dance instead of relying on the old "crotch grab" and "crossed arms" to stay in the competition.

LOL :D:D:D

There is soooooo much more to hip-hop than crotch grabbing and crossed arms. To say that she relied on that to stay in the competition is a gross understatement.

Believe me, I'm not suggesting that everyone SHOULD like hip-hop. We all have our preferences, but what I don't understand is not respecting a dance style just because it doesn't appeal to you.

I don't like the Quick Step, but I sure as hell respect the intricate and fast dance moves that that style entails and to imply that hip-hop takes any less talent is totally ridiculous.

spyder696969

08-11-08, 03:36 PM

mac707,

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/Sour20Grapes.jpg

Aren't you tired of these yet? ;)

mac707

08-11-08, 03:57 PM

mac707,

Aren't you tired of these yet? ;)

Seeing as I wasn't rooting for Katee to win it's hard to say it's sour grapes don't you think? It's just amusing watching you totally avoid the fact that you were dead wrong about her (as was I back when the top 20 was chosen) behind the veneer of her "only" finishing 3rd.

My fav dancers of the season were Chelsie on the girls side (followed by Katee) with Joshua and Gev on the guys side.

michaeltscott

08-11-08, 04:13 PM

Street dancing certainly ruled the season.Only 20% of the partner dances were choreographed in "street" styles and only four of the top 20 contestants were street-style specialist (Gev, Comfort, Twitch and Joshua, the only ones to perform solos in street styles--it's true that they all got pretty far into the competition, so an increasingly large percentage of the solos were in their styles). How is it that you feel comfortable saying that 20% of the partner dances and some of the solos constituted street-style dance "ruling" the season? (Of course, a street-dance specialist won, so in a sense, it did rule, but I don't think that's what you meant).

barth2k

08-11-08, 04:46 PM

I liked Katee a whole lot but I felt she had a tendency to be too abrupt and to exaggerate (overdramatize?) her movements, esp. in the contemporary routines. Does anyone else think so? Still, the Bollywood number was probably my favorite of the season, and she was great in it. Btw, is it my imagination or did Katee had the most dances in the finale?

I thought it'd be Twitch and Katee 1 & 2, with Twitch winning. Wrong and wrong. I'm not at all upset that Joshua won, though. If it's going to be a popularity contest anyway, nothing wrong with a nice guy and great sport winning.

I really liked seeing Mary and Nigel dancing. They showed they must've been pretty hot stuff in their younger days. It also fit in perfectly with the spirit of the show. These judges really like and respect their craft and business and aren't just jaded and cynical has-beens.

My only complaints with SYTYCD are 1) they can't criticize the choreography so must put all the blame on the dancers; and 2) they have an obvious bias for some dancers and occasionally end up dumping on the partner when the number doesn't work. I think this is why Will was dumped by the voters. It was a backlash against pretty obvious favoritism. (Will was probably the best classical dancer and handled his surprise exit with class and poise so this isn't a knock against him.)

SowegaBowler

08-11-08, 06:51 PM

My posts about last week's finales got zapped by that software bug (maybe I should take up a collection to get David Bott better servers and software ;)), so I will summarize them in a nutshell:

Everyone in the final 4 put on very good performances last Wednesday (even if they were a bit tired); I felt that Katee and Twitch finished in a dead heat for the win, and Joshua and Courtney were close behind.

Thursday's show was well done, the Jonases notwithstanding. It was wonderful to see some of the season's best routines get encore performances. Joshua may not have been the best dancer this year (IMO Cha-Cha Chelsie was), but he gets my congratulations for winning because of his backstory.

Can't wait for next summer...:)

wblynch

08-11-08, 07:11 PM

LOL :D:D:D

There is soooooo much more to hip-hop than crotch grabbing and crossed arms. To say that she relied on that to stay in the competition is a gross understatement.

Believe me, I'm not suggesting that everyone SHOULD like hip-hop. We all have our preferences, but what I don't understand is not respecting a dance style just because it doesn't appeal to you.

I don't like the Quick Step, but I sure as hell respect the intricate and fast dance moves that that style entails and to imply that hip-hop takes any less talent is totally ridiculous.

I only said I didn't like components of Hip-hop. All that other stuff you made up and pinned on me.

lwien

08-11-08, 07:29 PM

I only said I didn't like components of Hip-hop. All that other stuff you made up and pinned on me.

No you didn't. You didn't say anything about not liking just certain components of Hip-Hop.

But in the whole scheme of things, it's really no big deal. If I misunderstood what you were saying, I apologize.

It's just that Hip-Hop and it's spin-off dance routines is a valid dance art form that is as valid as any other. And as just as many other art forms, it started on the street, but has been evolving ever since and also as many other art forms of the past, what was once considered on the fringe is now becoming mainstream. You and others may not like the dance, but I do find it kinda amazing that one doesn't recognize the talent and creativity that goes into it.

But I'm just a 64 year old white guy whose ONLY exposure to Hip-Hop is what he's seen on TV. I just remember when Rock & Roll was proclaimed the music of the devil and they ran over R&R records in the street with steam rollers because they were so afraid that this music was going to ruin our society and poison the minds of our children. Not saying that you feel that way about Hip-Hop, but I am sure that there are many that do, and that kind of thinking just kinda rubs me the wrong way.

Distorted

08-11-08, 08:20 PM

"Thanks for the chart, MichaelScott. I can't fully enjoy dance to music I dislike, and I can't remember a HH song or one of its derivatives I have ever liked. It's a personal taste, or distaste, in this case. Because I dislike those musical forms so much, it seemed to me that SYTYCD was disproportionately foisting them on us - they just stuck out in my memory like a lip zit, I suppose. I can see from the chart that I was emphasizing the number in my mind. Maybe I can learn to appreciate the forms better even as I can easily see how much skill it takes to perform the dances to the music. Appreciating skill, and enjoying something at a visceral level, which is how I like the dance art-form, are two different things though. I'll leave the analysis of steps made and missed to the pros."

...but then I repeat myself even if I have to go to a cached resource to say it again.

spyder696969

08-11-08, 08:49 PM

...But I'm just a 64 year old white guy whose ONLY exposure to Hip-Hop is what he's seen on TV. I just remember when Rock & Roll was proclaimed the music of the devil and they ran over R&R records in the street with steam rollers because they were so afraid that this music was going to ruin our society and poison the minds of our children. Not saying that you feel that way about Hip-Hop, but I am sure that there are many that do, and that kind of thinking just kinda rubs me the wrong way.

Can I take this opportunity to reiterate that Beelzebub loves Hip-Hop music then? :D

J/K.

Looks like we finally agree on something, lwien! :) However, while I can certainly appreciate the artistry of the dance purveyed behind the music that is considered "street," (i.e., what we saw on SYTYCD) what does cause me great disconcertion is the venacular and overt connotations/associations lying within the "gangsta" sub-genre. This is the darkened alleyway I think that most people, perhaps somewhat mistakenly, envisage when the words "Hip" and "Hop" are united.

That said, I suppose either are no more of an assault upon the minds of America's youth than modern television and no more damaging to the English language than hebetudinous and perpetual texting! :mad:

U NO WHUT I IZ SAYIN? :confused: