Just finished watching the 2hr season premiere of the fourth season of the real dance show on TV - So You Think You Can Dance !!

And oh my, what an awesome premiere it was ! The two poppers were insane! I can almost see the two poppers getting cut in the 1st round in Vegas due to lack of versatility, but they should become a staple feature on this show just for their audacious moves! I can also imagine them being a headliner act in the season finale, a la the river dancing kid last year.

Victor Kim's break dancing and the move he performed raising his whole body arched backwards using just his hands was out of this world !!

My favorite summer show has returned with a bang !! Awesome :D

The spring/fall tenants have taken a four month leave and the summer tenants are moving in.

We watched this show tonight, on the advise of posters in the American Idol thread and friends who love it, and put in on Season Pass. Should be fun, if we can manage to tolerate that middle judge, who has the most irritating voice and especially laugh. Surely I'm not the first to complain.

There making a Canadian version, if anyones cares! lol

We watched this show tonight, on the advise of posters in the American Idol thread and friends who love it, and put in on Season Pass. Should be fun, if we can manage to tolerate that middle judge, who has the most irritating voice and especially laugh. Surely I'm not the first to complain.

Had the same impression of Mary last year, and for some strange reason, she can grow on you. Took me a while, but I don't mind her half as bad as last year, and compared to Paula, she at least doesn't hold back and do nothing but praises.

That last guy was just incredible. Truly amazing what he did. Hopefully he does well in Vegas.

Dominic was very goo-goo, ga-ga over the blonde soccer player. She was very cute and could definitely dance.

Sex on the other hand....lol! Funny to see him and Gold Inferno back! Still bad as ever. :D

Some of the female dancers are stunningly beautiful with insane bodies.

Other then the beauty, for me, no one really stood out this time. I don't care for that popping, to me it isn't dancing. Can't wait to see who the top dancers are this season.

never watched aa minute of the show til I flipped by and caught that freak Phillip! Quite imressive!

First time watcher!!! Might be the last time.

I don't know how the fans of the show do it, but that Marie Osmond bloated looking judge in the middle is the most disrespectful, annoying, cackling hen I have ever seen. The insanely loud and grating laughing at the contestents is majorly obnoxious.

The other female judge was mostly respectful, had very interesting comments. Her emotional response to the seeing impaired girl was very very touching. And the male judge also was very generous in his comments to the girl, especially when acknowledging how he respected her commitment to dance, without being condescending.

The dancers however, might keep me tuning in. I thought the soccer girl was horrible - but I know nothing about dance.

I'll give it a few more shots.

Middle-judge Mary Murphy (former choreographer) is actually very honest and sincere, and eminently qualified to be a judge. She's a bit loud (wait till you hear her scream "hot tamale train!" when she REALLY loves a performance) but it's very very entertaining (at least to me). Unlike Paula, she will actually say something truthful about the dancer, and it can be good or bad. It's really good to have a sophisticated judge for an art form I, as a viewer, know nothing technically about other than my subjective impressions.

Mia Michaels (on the left) is another winner of a judge and a person, and is a wonderful choreographer.

Nigel Lythgoe is a former dancer himself.

They will have several additional (and repeat) guest judges and choreographers once the audition phase ends and the final 20 begin to actually compete. Some of them are also brilliant, as clearly evidenced by the results of getting things out of these kids that you'd never imagine possible based on the specific skills shown in their auditions.

Great show! Very enjoyable opening episode, and it will really grow on you once we get the final 20.

I REALLY REALLY liked the two Russians who did that amazingly hot ballroom(?) number. They were two fantastic dancers, equally strong, equally skilled. Her body moves and slinks were remarkable. Amazingly rhythmic, like she was acting out the music with her body. And he too, perfect partner, no arrogance. Very very nice couple. Clearly final 20.

And the 18-year old soccer player, another final 20 member.

As were the oriental couple. Wow, what dancer's legs on her! The two of them were fabulous together, very polished. And only dancing together for 3 months? Amazing.

It's always interesting (from seasons past) to see what happens when couples go to Vegas (and possibly beyond, to the performance shows) but end up competing individually since that's what the show is... only one winner, as an individual. And they break the couples up, assigning them random partners, to determine their true dancing skills.

THIS SHOW WILL GET YOU HOOKED! Stay tuned. If you watch until Vegas "boot camp" week and final cut down to the final 20, you're in for the rest of the season.

These kids are AMAZING! That last guy was unbelievable. Now let's see if he can actually DANCE (from choreography)! I suspect he can, and he will be a big surprise.

We are big fans of this show. MTV ran all of the previous season last wekend and between watching and the DVR we saw quite a bit of the top 12. The judges (or "jidges" :D) are are so far beyond their counterparts on the other shows that it's almost embarrassing. There are exceptions (Debbie Allan and some of the other celebrities) but for the most part their comments and critiques are honest, extremely knowledgable and, except when really deserved, rather sensative to these kid's feelings. Yes, Mary Murphy is bat$%*t crazy but she is a consumate pro and knows her stuff. The same goes for Nigel, Dan Karady and the others (especially Adam Shenkman when he guests). Mia Micheals is a fascinating person. She is clearly a briiliant choreographer and can seem to be a hard case at times until she's not. Her reaction to the visually challenged dancer last night was beyond touching. To be able to completely bare her emotions and soul on camera in the way that she did is a credit to her and to the producers for showing it as purely as they did. The tribute to her father that was performed by Neil and Lacy last season was stunning in its beauty and emotion. All of the show's choreographers are excellent. Wade Robson, Tice DeOrio, Mia, Jean Mark Genneraux, Tony Meredith and the rest are just great. We really like the Hip Hop stuff that Shane Sparks and Dave Scott create, They go so far beyond the norm in this genre that they really bridge into other styles. The other thing that is impressive is that the judges are pleased to welcome back dancers who just missed the cut in previous seasons and, indeed, genuinely encourage them to return. Now if they can just have the guards stop "Sex" from coming into the auditions....:p

We are big fans of this show. MTV ran all of the previous season last wekend and between watching and the DVR we saw quite a bit of the top 12. The judges (or "jidges" :D) are are so far beyond their counterparts on the other shows that it's almost embarrassing. There are exceptions (Debbie Allan and some of the other celebrities) but for the most part their comments and critiques are honest, extremely knowledgable and, except when really deserved, rather sensative to these kid's feelings. Yes, Mary Murphy is bat$%*t crazy but she is a consumate pro and knows her stuff. The same goes for Nigel, Dan Karady and the others (especially Adam Shenkman when he guests). Mia Micheals is a fascinating person. She is clearly a briiliant choreographer and can seem to be a hard case at times until she's not. Her reaction to the visually challenged dancer last night was beyond touching. To be able to completely bare her emotions and soul on camera in the way that she did is a credit to her and to the producers for showing it as purely as they did. The tribute to her father that was performed by Neil and Lacy last season was stunning in its beauty and emotion. All of the show's choreographers are excellent. Wade Robson, Tice DeOrio, Mia, Jean Mark Genneraux, Tony Meredith and the rest are just great. We really like the Hip Hop stuff that Shane Sparks and Dave Scott create, They go so far beyond the norm in this genre that they really bridge into other styles. The other thing that is impressive is that the judges are pleased to welcome back dancers who just missed the cut in previous seasons and, indeed, genuinely encourage them to return. Now if they can just have the guards stop "Sex" from coming into the auditions....:p

Totally agree with this and DSperber's comments. This show is great, and once it gets rolling, there's nothing that will stop you from watching it.

Just wait until you see a Wade Robson number.

I was completely laughing last night when all the judges wound up dancing with Gold Inferno. I mean could you ever see Paula, Simon and Randy in unison like that? NO!

Love the show... loathe Mia. At least in this part of the show she's mostly coherent. In later rounds, when they are juding the finalists, she swings from loving all the guys to hating all the girls at the drop of a hat. And I can't stand most of her routines ;) I'm sure people do love them, I just don't get a lot of the crazy interpretive stuff. Oh well. I thought it was a nice premiere, and I had to laugh at the 3 guys from last year just hanging out in the balcony. I guess that whole career thing hasn't worked so well....

I'll take your word for it that a person can get used to that middle judge. But it may be that different people have different tolerance levels to that kind of shrieking loudness. Mine is pretty low.

What exactly is this show presented in?

SD widescreen?

The PQ doesn't look quite polished enough to be HD, but still looks a lot better than just a normal SD broadcast.

The auditions are sometimes interesting, but the show doesn't hit its stride until the final twenty are in place and the choreographers add their art to the mix. For those joining the festivities now and remaining unimpressed, you may want to check out one of those shows before tuning out completely.

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Does anyone know why Sabra never seemed to be in the group that made appearances on AI? Is she injured or otherwise committed somewhere else?

It was in past years SD widescreen I believe. Not sure now.

I have watched the previous three seasons and the only way to get used to to Mary is to use the mute button liberally. Last night showed why this show can be very compelling at times. Taking dancers who are very at their own niche forcing them to try different styles.

I have watched the previous three seasons and the only way to get used to to Mary is to use the mute button liberally.

Wife and I were 1st time watchers last night. Wife commented that Mary "reminds her of Rosie O'Donnell...without the charm" :D Myself, I was just intimidated by those enormous teeth...

Funny thing is I'm a big ballroom fan and I like this show better than DWTS which, IMO, has become somewhat of a joke.

The blonde soccer player was stunning: I really don't care how she dances. :)

And SEX: my wife was dying to see him and his mother again. I don't know if there are NY auditions but they hinted that he might be back.

And SEX: my wife was dying to see him and his mother again. I don't know if there are NY auditions but they hinted that he might be back.

Sex and his mother appear to be what psychiatrists call a folie a deux or "a madness shared by two". Either they are both psychotics and each one's psychosis feeds the other's or they are one of the best deliberate running jokes on TV. Maybe Nigel had him pegged when he said that he just likes to see himself on TV. My money is on choice 1! I would have liked to hear the list of the great choreographers that he claimed to have worked with. I'm sure that Jerome Robbins, Jerry Mitchell, Michael Kidd, Michael Bennet and Agnes DeMille were among them, some even after they passed away.

What exactly is this show presented in?

SD widescreen?

You are correct.

I REALLY REALLY liked the two Russians who did that amazingly hot ballroom(?) number. They were two fantastic dancers, equally strong, equally skilled. Her body moves and slinks were remarkable. Amazingly rhythmic, like she was acting out the music with her body. And he too, perfect partner, no arrogance. Very very nice couple. Clearly final 20.For future reference in this thread, their performance shows up at 4:37-7:36 of this clip on youTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P60RSUMYW1Q).

Just before them in this same clip, at 0:52-4:35, is blond 22-year old Brenda Vaccaro sound-alike Erika Gee, back for her 3rd-time-is-a-charm attempt. Very nice audition and "the jidges" were wonderful to her.


That last guy was unbelievable.And his historical reference is this dedicated youTube clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATGCw4tEY). Probably the best "popper" ever.


And then there's 18-year old soccer player Kherington Payne's clip, which is at 2:38-6:35 of this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqwek9t6DOA). I'm sure she will not make it to the end (skill level not quite there yet), but she's young and sweet and endearing... and nice on the eyes. At least we get to see her in Vegas.

Incidentally, the young oriental couple's performance is right at the start (0:00-2:38) of the same clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqwek9t6DOA). I'm glad to see they both made it, despite her real bad cold.


Ok, now we've got the outstanding performances documented. Interestingly, we really didn't get to see very much of the "dance-off" from either day... only the results, of those we'd been primed to be interested in by the editing.

And his historical reference is this dedicated youTube clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATGCw4tEY). Probably the best "popper" ever.
Is that the clip that you intended? That link goes to the performance from last night's show, so it isn't really a "historical reference." I wish I could recall the guy's name, but I remember seeing a clip from several years ago (not from SYTYCD) that I thought you were linking to. Whoever that was, truly blew me away. Robert Muraine is probably just as good.

What exactly is this show presented in?

SD widescreen?

The PQ doesn't look quite polished enough to be HD, but still looks a lot better than just a normal SD broadcast.Yes, it's amazing how good they can make SD look. It's not all that much worse than a lot of the stuff they pass off to us as HD.

I saw SYTYCD for the first time last night. I managed to catch most of the dance routines when I wasn't working the AI fan forums. I thought Kherington looked so good and danced so well!:)

All in all, this season opener looked very interesting. I look forward to seeing how the season unfolds.

Yes, it's amazing how good they can make SD look. It's not all that much worse than a lot of the stuff they pass off to us as HD.
If I remember correctly they are feeding it with component, not composite, which makes it look so good.

Sex on the other hand....lol! Funny to see him and Gold Inferno back! Still bad as ever. :D
Sex = joke.

Maybe Golden Inferno will be rebranded Brown Explosion next year.

Is that the clip that you intended? That link goes to the performance from last night's show, so it isn't really a "historical reference."Yes, that was my intent.

By "historical reference" I was describing history, for within THIS thread of Season 4, so that if newcomers to the show (who might have missed the early episodes) begin reading this thread and start from the front, at least we'll have links to footage that shows the best/most-enjoyable performances from these early shows. I wasn't connecting "history" to past seasons.

I still think the Russian pair took the prize for true dancing last night. While "popping" might be interesting and very entertaining (as lots of creative street performers are) and require much practice and coordination and imagination to truly be as spectacular as that guy was last night, to me it's about as "dance-like" as "jump style", and has zero potential to be partnered/trouped or even choreographed, which is how I like to think of dancing.

Yes, that was my intent.

By "historical reference" I was describing history, for within THIS thread of Season 4, so that if newcomers to the show (who might have missed the early episodes) begin reading this thread and start from the front, at least we'll have links to footage that shows the best/most-enjoyable performances from these early shows. I wasn't connecting "history" to past seasons.

I still think the Russian pair took the prize for true dancing last night. While "popping" might be interesting and very entertaining (as lots of creative street performers are) and require much practice and coordination and imagination to truly be as spectacular as that guy was last night, to me it's about as "dance-like" as "jump style", and has zero potential to be partnered/trouped or even choreographed, which is how I like to think of dancing.

Dominic and Hawk last season were both breakers and made it far. The judges were even shocked on how well they did outside their comfort zone. There's no playing it safe like in Idol. Either you have it or you don't. Robert might shock us this season. I think Twitch has a shot too as I liked him and Hawk. It came down to them and Hawk went, but Twitch was just as good. Should be fun to watch! I can't wait for Shane Sparks or Wade Robson to get a hold of them both and do something right up their ally. Wade would make it so incredible.

That show was clearly standard definition. The edges were blurry. There were no pores on anyone's faces. The colors were washed out (NTSC).

It ain't HD!

That show was clearly standard definition. The edges were blurry. There were no pores on anyone's faces. The colors were washed out (NTSC).

It ain't HD!

Probably your local feed. Good colors and sharpness on my set & it's a 65" so quality problems really show up.

This show looks very good and did last year as well.

While "popping" might be interesting and very entertaining (as lots of creative street performers are) and require much practice and coordination and imagination to truly be as spectacular as that guy was last night, to me it's about as "dance-like" as "jump style", and has zero potential to be partnered/trouped or even choreographed, which is how I like to think of dancing.That's the problem with both this show and AI. Call it the "Archuleta Effect." Although it recognizes new talent and takes note of originality, it's ultimately a reactionary show which reinforces conventional styles and tastes.

Don't worry about the poppers. Amazing and original as they might be, they'll be gone as soon as they try to do the Foxtrot. You end up with skillful, graceful, yet predictably homogenized, performers.

It takes awhile for true creativity to go mainstream, as Metallica discovered when they lost the Best Heavy Metal Grammy to Jethro Tull.

The show is widescreen SD, NOT HD.

Good to see some new and familiar converts this year from the AI thread! :D

To your pleasure, or perhaps dismay, you'll find that I'm much more tolerant and respectful here (along with most others) since the talent level, both individually and as a whole, is astronomically superior to the pathetic souls they pass off on us as "the best in the nation" on the sister show.

AI is the Miss America that people want to be seen with, she's a shallow and empty bitch, heavy on the makeup and mirrors, while also being much like the town bicyle, where everyone has had a ride at some point and then "gotten off" to find bigger and better things.

Dance, on the other hand, is more like Miss Congeniality, in that she's a sweet, intelligent, and honest soul that will give you genuine laughter, tears, and long-lasting memories for an entire lifetime without ever feeling the need to abandon her values or asking you to lose yours.

Good to see some new and familiar converts this year from the AI thread! :D

To your pleasure, or perhaps dismay, you'll find that I'm much more tolerant and respectful here (along with most others) since the talent level, both individually and as a whole, is astronomically superior to the pathetic souls they pass off on us as "the best in the nation" on the sister show.

AI is the Miss America that people want to be seen with, she's a shallow and empty bitch, heavy on the makeup and mirrors, while also being much like the town bicyle, where everyone has had a ride at some point and then "gotten off" to find bigger and better things.

Dance, on the other hand, is more like Miss Congeniality, in that she's a sweet, intelligent, and honest soul that will give you genuine laughter, tears, and long-lasting memories for an entire lifetime without ever feeling the need to abandon her values or asking you to lose yours.

You can have Miss Goody Two Shoes, give me Miss Hot & Shallow. :p

Probably your local feed. Good colors and sharpness on my set & it's a 65" so quality problems really show up.

This show looks very good and did last year as well.Agree that it looks good, disagree about the feed. Fox's splicer system eliminates that variance, at least from the station (assuming they are not rate shaping or re-encoding). Sat and cablecos are another story.

That show was clearly standard definition. The edges were blurry. There were no pores on anyone's faces. The colors were washed out (NTSC).

It ain't HD!

Please refresh my memory again. What exactly is this show shot in? Is it widescreen 480i upconverted over component to 720p 60 FPS? What ever it is it is better than any other SD I have ever seen!

Why do you think this is the only "SD" show the mods have allowed to be discussed in the HD section? It is because it is so close to HD that most people think it is HD. If Survivor, Amazing Race, Big Brother,....etc looked as good as this show we wouldn't care about them being in HD.

Why is it that FOX doesn't shoot this in True HD? It is always the biggest "Summer" show. It must make them some money?

Please refresh my memory again. What exactly is this show shot in? Is it widescreen 480i upconverted over component to 720p 60 FPS? What ever it is it is better than any other SD I have ever seen!

Why do you think this is the only "SD" show the mods have allowed to be discussed in the HD section? It is because it is so close to HD that most people think it is HD. If Survivor, Amazing Race, Big Brother,....etc looked as good as this show we wouldn't care about them being in HD.

Why is it that FOX doesn't shoot this in True HD? It is always the biggest "Summer" show. It must make them some money?
I think (hope) that if Dance keeps continuing to gain viewers they might go HD soon. But they also might think that the PQ looks fine and no reason to go HD.

There have been other SD shows with threads on here, Hell's Kitchen, Kitchen Nightmares, to name a couple.

Fox does perform some magic on sd material. Both Dance and Hell's Kitchen are the best looking SD programs I've seen.

Whatever tools/techniques they are using for upconversion are state of the art.

That show was clearly standard definition. The edges were blurry. There were no pores on anyone's faces. The colors were washed out (NTSC).HD (709) and SD (601/NTSC/PAL) have nearly identical color gamut. NTSC refers to the analog composite standard which is not used for these productions.

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colors on the pole and the lettering.

Still it looks pretty good.

This is the first year I've watched this. It seems like there are three distinct kind of dancers: Poppers (always guys, that's why they call them B-boys), Interpretive Modern dancers (always women for some reason), and ballroom dancers. There doesn't seem to be any variation or overlap between the groups.

This is the first year I've watched this. It seems like there are three distinct kind of dancers: Poppers (always guys, that's why they call them B-boys), Interpretive Modern dancers (always women for some reason), and ballroom dancers. There doesn't seem to be any variation or overlap between the groups.

Keep watching. Eventually they are all forced to do all types of dances. It's interesting to see how the b-boys (and last year a b-girl) attempt (sometimes quite well) to do ballroom and how the Modern dancers do hip-hop, etc.

So are we in agreement that this puppy is (well) upconverted (then zoomed) widescreen SD?

I can't wait for this show to really get into the season. The beginning is nice to see all the unusual dancers. Many of them are very unique and great dancers in their genre, but won't last long once teamed up with others. But the bad dancers are just bad dancers. We don't get to see Simon ripping them apart for entertainment purposes. And what's with all the repaet dancers this season? I could do without most of them. Once the season gets rolling, we'll get to see some fantastic dancing of all kinds. That's what I look forward to.

So are we in agreement that this puppy is (well) upconverted (then zoomed) widescreen SD?
I guess you can say we are in agreement, especially when it is a fact. ;)

Maybe a mod can change the title to say upconverted wide screen SD, or not HD, or FOX Widescreen? That should deter a couple of "this show looks great in HD" posts.

edit: missed the word zoomed, show isn't zoomed.

So are we in agreement that this puppy is (well) upconverted (then zoomed) widescreen SD?

Wait a minute, are we sure it is zoomed? I thought this was 480i 16:9 upconverted to 720p @ 60 FPS. Where does the zooming come in?

Fox Widescreen is NOT HD (http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/07/13/fox-widescreen-is-not-hd/)

So You Think You Can Dance is shot in Studio 46 at CBS TV City with Sony HDC1500L HD cameras in 16:9 480i 601. It's recorded on DigiBeta for the performance show, and the live show is sent uncompressed to Fox. The same studio is planned to be used in HD 720P for season 3 of Dancing With The Stars on ABC. It's twin, Studio 36, is used in HD 720P for American Idol.

^^^ But still, it looks a lot better than old-fashioned analog!;)

I said zoomed, since it's not windowboxed. I didn't mean cut off zoomed like Discovery Networks programming.

As long as they zoom in on the half-nekked ladies, I'm cool with it. :D

Ok, I haven't watched this show before and finally tuned in to the first episode. How does it work? All these different style dancers are being chosen. Are they going to expect the hip hop guys to really do the foxtrot? And vice versa with the ballroom dancers?

The SD video is not zoomed when doing the upconversion as the SD video is 16:9. The framing in the SD and HD is identical.

Are they going to expect the hip hop guys to really do the foxtrot? And vice versa with the ballroom dancers?

Yes, exactly, and the best can.

Some of them do surprisngly well too.

And some of them don't. Some do not do the partner thing well. But most of them are weeded out quickly. By time they get to the top 10, they are all fantastic. It becomes increasingly harder for me to relate to the, sometimes, negative remarks from the jidges. They see things that I just don't pick up on. To me, they all look perfect. Some dances are more fun than others is about all I can notice. Or that some dancers have a little more "it" factor. Or that some have a nicer bum than others. OK, let's face it. That's what I notice the most. There, I said it. My name is Mike, and I'm addicted to nice ...es.

^^^ But still, it looks a lot better than old-fashioned analog!;)


I agree with you. The picture does look a lot better than analog...LOL!

Seriously, I noticed my tv listings did not list the tv show in the HD listings.
But that confused me some because I was so impressed with the picture.
If anything, Fox does some sort of "magic" with the picture and makes it look like the best SD picture going around.

Ok, I haven't watched this show before and finally tuned in to the first episode. How does it work? All these different style dancers are being chosen. Are they going to expect the hip hop guys to really do the foxtrot? And vice versa with the ballroom dancers?

People with excellent body control can do a lot of different styles. It's why many athletes take dance: it helps them hone their body control.

But that confused me some because I was so impressed with the picture.
If anything, Fox does some sort of "magic" with the picture and makes it look like the best SD picture going around.

Watch an episode of House in HD, and wait until they do a medium close-up on House. Compare that to Dance, and you will see the difference.

Or catch a cityscape in 1080i. Those looks simply amazing.

Dance does incredible work with what it has, but the picture quality difference between excellent SD and excellent HD is noticeable, though not necessarily profound.

I noticed that if I set the "sharpness" on my HDTV to maximum, it sharpens SD so it looks a lot more like HD. Unfortunately it also makes HD look like SD so it's not worth it. I hope people aren't doing this.

Remember that this SD is going through an HD upconversion with professional equipment that few of us could ever afford and it's coming at us with a 15 Mbps bit rate. This is the best SD you'll ever see on your HDTV.

Even back when FOX was still just "digital widescreen" it looked great. It was at a bit rate higher than many HD channels these days. They aired "Die Hard" (in OAR!) and the super high bit rate made it look better than the DVD even though the resolution was the same.

Can we lay the PQ argument to rest now? We all agree that though it looks stellar for SD, it is no match to the best HD on TV. I don't want this thread to turn into another "F1 ..." like thread where the discussion is overtaken by discussion of HD cameras. Let's move on, and concentrate on discussing the dance.

Last night's episode was way too weak on talent. Salt Lake City and Dallas fell "flat" in terms of talent.. and paled in comparison to the season premiere. I was sort of wondering if the turn-out was too low because of the weather, and the need to wait days outside the audition venues in sub-zero temperatures. Dallas venue particularly looked barren.

Hopefully they'll pick up steam in tonight's episode.

I noticed that in Dallas particularly they concentrated on poor performances and arguments with the performers, then stated that things “picked up" later with mere glimpses of the ones they passed through and showed some talent. I object, for all that's worth, to using this tired relic of a bit from AI once again. Show us the winners, SYTYCD and leave out nearly all the goons and geeks.

Last night's episode was way too weak on talent. Salt Lake City and Dallas fell "flat" in terms of talent.. and paled in comparison to the season premiere. I was sort of wondering if the turn-out was too low because of the weather, and the need to wait days outside the audition venues in sub-zero temperatures. Dallas venue particularly looked barren.

Hopefully they'll pick up steam in tonight's episode.

I liked a couple of dancers... the girl with the choreographer mom and the strip joint DJ.. (I want his job if he makes it LOL).

Please ditch the Barbie Doll! She. Is. AWFUL!

Loved the comment from Nigel about if she goes to the same dentist as Mary. I was thinking she had horse mouth just like her too. Nigel doesn't have much room to talk though...

Was a bit disappointed with the episode last night too. Hopefully it will pick up tonight as well. Will tune in after LOST. ;)

I liked a couple of dancers... the girl with the choreographer mom and the strip joint DJ.. (I want his job if he makes it LOL).

I worked at the exact same place (it's called Southern Exposure, btw) as the DJ on the show for a total of 6 months as a bouncer/bartender. Guys may think it's the greatest job ever, but that place was more emotionally taxing on me than any other job I've ever had. Sure, you get to see half-nekked ladies all day, but it gets old and the "fantasy" fades once you know the girls. You also have to see guys that are waiting at the door upon opening at 10 AM and only go home when their wives come in at 10 PM wondering why they haven't spent a minute with their kids all day. It was a sad vortex of despair that still gives me pause these many, many years later. :(

What I found interesting was the montage on the tryouts. Sadly, the guy that looked a mere 25 years old, yet had 7 kids and couldn't recall their names is quite common here. Or the "hip-hop" mom that had 4 kids in tow...all under 6 years of age. (When the baby fell over, my wife laughed her ass off.) Or the sexy-legs girl at the biginning that told a "sob story" about how her family lost their home. CLUE: Kids cost money...Lots of kids cost lots of money! Why the hell everyone here thinks that they need a brigade of babies (while still being babies themselves) is beyond me. :mad:

As to the weather, winter was particularly harsh here last year, and tryout week was a snowy, bitterly-cold one. The Capitol Theatre is large enough that those kids didn't need to be out on the street in the wee hours of the morning, waiting to perform. I'd imagine the same is true of the venue in Dallas. This isn't AI, where you've got tens of thousands of hopefuls. :confused:

Please ditch the Barbie Doll! She. Is. AWFUL!

Loved the comment from Nigel about if she goes to the same dentist as Mary. I was thinking she had horse mouth just like her too. Nigel doesn't have much room to talk though...

Was a bit disappointed with the episode last night too. Hopefully it will pick up tonight as well. Will tune in after LOST. ;)

Haha.. the minute I saw her, I thought she looked like a younger Mary Murphy.. just with blond hair. She, Mary and Suze Orman can start the pearly white club and light up Times Square with their glittering teeth if ever we encounter the infamous Northeast grid failure again.

I don't think they concentrated on the goofs last night by choice. I think the talent was truly weak, so they had to ape AI for most of the show.

And I also thought Nigel and Mary were uncharacteristically caustic last night. What's going on?

Last night's show was pretty bad as far as talent is concerned. Even the people in Utah that were "good" did not seem all that great to me. I do hope they devote some quality time in Las Vegas because that is often some of the most compelling moments of the show.

Or the sexy-legs girl at the biginning that told a "sob story" about how her family lost their home. CLUE: Kids cost money...Lots of kids cost lots of money! Why the hell everyone here thinks that they need a brigade of babies (while still being babies themselves) is beyond me. :mad:
Not just their home but their cars <-plural. The Utah real estate market is among the worst in the country right now so being stuck with a big house you can't pay for is a financial nightmare that many people are going through there.

Also, two dancers claimed to be "financial advisers". That sounded like a strangely vague occupation to me. :confused:

I noticed that if I set the "sharpness" on my HDTV to maximum, it sharpens SD so it looks a lot more like HD. Unfortunately it also makes HD look like SD so it's not worth it. I hope people aren't doing this.Step #1 when tweaking your HDTV's settings for maximum HDTV picture quality: SET SHARPNESS TO ZERO/MINIMUM/OFF!!! Well known truism based 100% in fact.

"Sharpness" is an electronically added edge-enhancement, it is not a way to "reveal buried inherent picture clarity that needs to be released". It is artificial, and is not part of the true broadcast picture. While it might seemingly improve SD pictures viewed on an HDTV, it truly is the worst thing you can do (or retain from factory settings) when watching true HD content on an HDTV.

Now, if your set has multiple inputs and you have multiple sources, and your set has a user settings/adjustment menu mechanism that supports individual settings for individual inputs, then your best compromise is to watch only HDTV/digital source content (including 480i widescreen upconverted, like SYTYCD) through your digital 1080i/720p input, and watch true 4:3 SD/480i content through S-video input. And tweak the user settings for both inputs to optimize picture quality for each input individually... including having non-zero sharpness for S-video if that improves your picture quality. But on your 1080i/720p input, absolutely set sharpness to zero... and appreciate the glory that is true non-enhanced HD.

NOTE: I still think the digital 4:3 SD picture from non-HD content (e.g. local news) still looks 1000 times better when viewed on the digital channel at 720p/1080i (as long as it's not been stretched to 14:9 or 16:9 from its original 4:3) than the OTA analog SD 480i picture viewed through S-video. But I still would not touch sharpness off of zero when watching this content via 720p/1080i.


I know this is OT, but I'm just responding to the original posted comment.

But I still would not touch sharpness off of zero when watching this content via 720p/1080i.


Zero sharpness on many TV's artificially softens the picture. Telling EVERYONE to set their sharpness to zero on ALL TV's is bad advice. Put up a test pattern and set sharpness accordingly, and for many, that will NOT be at zero.

Zero sharpness on many TV's artificially softens the picture. Telling EVERYONE to set their sharpness to zero on ALL TV's is bad advice.

Most people have two functional eyes for a reason, and one of those reasons is to adjust your tv so the picture looks good to you.

I'm contunually amazed with the number of people that are willing to forsake their own judgement for some universal setting recommended by others.

Most people have two functional eyes for a reason, and one of those reasons is to adjust your tv so the picture looks good to you.

I'm contunually amazed with the number of people that are willing to forsake their own judgement for some universal setting recommended by others.

Very true, but even when you take subjectivity out of the equation, his comment that ALL sharpness controls on ALL TV's add artificial edge enhancement when set above zero is just plain..................false. On some TV's, that setting may be at 10, or 20 and everything below that actually artificially SOFTENS the picture.

On my TV (a Sony a3000), as an example, when I put in a test DVD and put up a pattern to adjust sharpness, I will crank up my sharpness and then turn it down till the white halo's just disappear and note the setting. I will then turn down the sharpness to zero and then slowly increase it just till the halo's (artificial edge enhancement), just begin to appear and note the setting. I will then set it to just when those edge enhancement halos are no longer visible, and for me, that is at a setting of 25. Anything below that begins to blur the pattern.

Just irks me when anyone gives out advice based upon what he "thinks" are absolutes.

But back to the topic at hand. Did anyone else think of Reese Witherspoon when they did that retrospective on that Barbie Doll dancer?

Ok, I haven't watched this show before and finally tuned in to the first episode. How does it work? All these different style dancers are being chosen. Are they going to expect the hip hop guys to really do the foxtrot? And vice versa with the ballroom dancers?

What they're looking for is versatility. Can you go from hip-hop to ballroom (and vice-versa)? They want dancers who can be jacks (and jills) of all trades...and pull it off with style.

The street dancers (with little or no formal training) usually fare the worst as the dance styles of lyrical and contemporary require certain movements and grace (you can't fake grace).

The winners so far (Nick, Benji, Sabra) were not street dancers - they came from the lyrical or contemporary background. Heck, Benji was a West Coast Swing dancer. His cousin Heidi and sister Lacey also have that same background.

I'm worried about that popper from the very end of the Season 4 premiere. He looked intriguing, but can he pick up the dance styles the show requires to make it to the top 20? I think he admitted he's had no formal training, so he's already at a disadvantage.

Very true, but even when you take subjectivity out of the equation, his comment that ALL sharpness controls on ALL TV's add artificial edge enhancement when set above zero is just plain..................false. On some TV's, that setting may be at 10, or 20 and everything below that actually artificially SOFTENS the picture.

On my TV (a Sony a3000), as an example, when I put in a test DVD and put up a pattern to adjust sharpness, I will crank up my sharpness and then turn it down till the white halo's just disappear and note the setting. I will then turn down the sharpness to zero and then slowly increase it just till the halo's (artificial edge enhancement), just begin to appear and note the setting. I will then set it to just when those edge enhancement halos are no longer visible, and for me, that is at a setting of 25. Anything below that begins to blur the pattern.I respect your comments, and they are certainly accurate.

I amend my remarks to remove "zero", when of course what I was trying to say was simply "minimum/OFF" or "no edge enhancement added". If that position is displayed as some non-zero numeric value and has even more possibilities "to its left" (on its way down to zero), then that "no added or removed edge-enhancement" position is clearly what I was trying to describe. I was not trying to urge artificial softening, just as I was trying to suggest no artificial edge enhancement added. I was recommending NOTHING being done to the HDTV source picture in the way of artificial processing.

Nor am I seeking to get into a discussion of tweaks in this thread. There are several other threads for that subject.

Nevertheless, when noted source Joe Kane (of "Digital Video Essentials" fame) states in his recipe for setting up and adjusting your HDTV that starting by turning "OFF, or at least setting to "minimum" this setting called SHARPNESS is step #1, I believe him... as do my eyes, using DVE as the basis for adjustments on my Sony 34XBR960 using the DVE test patterns and real world test cases. If you've added edge enhancement (which is artificial), then you're not watching the original source.

As far as describing artifacts like sharpness-related "ballooning" and "halos" (definitely terms used in the discussion of setting contrast too high), well to my eyes and with my 34XBR960 having NO added edge-enhancement produces a perfect picture, much superior to the result of adding any edge enhancement.

I suppose this might vary from set to set and manufacturer to manufacturer. Some sets perhaps look "better" to you with a bit of processing added. My 34XBR960 does not. In fact, factory default setting in my set is 21 (certainly a non-zero addition)! But setting it to 0 does not "soften" (other than that it might at first appear to be "softer" than it did at 21 or any other non-zero setting), but rather now just adds nothing to the original source. That's just how the 34XBR960 works. And, I might add, it did take a little time to adjust to the "new look"... without edge any enhancement. But I soon realized that it was now "perfect", at least to me.

Same with "Pro/monitor" (unaltered picture) settings... which eliminate all factory-provided brightness, contrast, color and hue presets and biases designed to make the picture look "more vivid" (to the average consumer, I guess). Takes a little while to get used to it when you're used to watching "vivid", but once you do you never go back.

You're correct... whatever looks best to you and your eyes, is what you should go with.

[sorry for this digression from SYTYCD, where I don't understand why the producers are not showing us more performances of those who actually make it to Vegas other than a select few good-teeth good-legs exceptions]

STOP the tech talk. Take it elsewhere please! There's no Hot Tamale train for you guys. :D

I'm contunually amazed with the number of people that are willing to forsake their own judgement for some universal setting recommended by others.I totally agree. However regarding Edge Enhancement it is somewhat of an learned art. Often until you live without it do you realize what you were missing. A great walk-thru...

http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

Great link, Charles.

Edge Enhancement is an incorrect term for the typical sharpenning control. A more accurate term is Detail Enhancement. It's a filter circuit to alter the frequency response of the video much in the same way equalizers work with audio. Video has two axis, so filters can act on each independently or on both for diagonal detail. Used correctly it can be used to offset losses, but over peaking causes halos.

What did Mickey Mouse call Mary?

Remember that this SD is going through an HD upconversion with professional equipment that few of us could ever afford and it's coming at us with a 15 Mbps bit rate.
I'm not going to be home to get the bitrates tonight, but I doubt it is that high. I would guess probably somewhere in the 11 - 12 mbps range. House/Bones has been anywhere from 8 - 12 mbps.

Telling people to turn off sharpening is kind of like telling people to keep the bass and treble controls in the middle so they don't "artificially" change the tone of the sound. On my set I've found that the lower levels of sharpness don't do much for HD material and higher values appear to decrease resolution and details. On SD material, higher values make it look better. I compromise and put it in the middle.

And about the show. I really like how the judges are much kinder and polite than Simon and Randy on A.I. Nigel most of the time seems to want to help mediocre dancers become better dancers. He reserves his "What the hell was that?" rhetorical question for when we really want to know what the hell we've just witnessed.

I also like how they send the borderline dancers into choreography class. If they think they're good dancers, spending hours trying to get a routine down is enough to discourage most people from becoming dancers.

I'm not going to be home to get the bitrates tonight, but I doubt it is that high. I would guess probably somewhere in the 11 - 12 mbps range. House/Bones has been anywhere from 8 - 12 mbps.

Oh, you're right. Fox switched from fixed 15 Mbps to variable bit rate when they went HD. Now that I check I was seeing an average of 12 Mps last night. At least that's around three times higher than an SD channel.

I also like how they send the borderline dancers into choreography class. If they think they're good dancers, spending hours trying to get a routine down is enough to discourage most people from becoming dancers.Actually I believe they give me 30 minutes to see how fast they can pick up a routine (one which more or less reflects what they typically do on the show).

I too am amazed that this thread seems to be turning into a discussion of the technical aspects of Fox's "pretty darn close to HD." I think we should get back to discussing the show itself.

For me, last night's episode did not show much talent, but a few of the dancers impressed me. One of them, Chelsie (sp?-the first one they showed in the SLC auditions) really caught my eye. She had fabulous legs (look out, Stacy Keibler! ;)) and a wonderful knack for choreography. I would not be surprised if she goes very far this season.

...Chelsie (sp?-the first one they showed in the SLC auditions) really caught my eye. She had fabulous legs (look out, Stacy Keibler! ;))...

:eek: BLASPHEMY!!! :eek:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/Staceykeibler2.jpg

The only time I ever watched that other craptacular, overblown, assinine "dance" show was when Keibler was on.

Come on... tell me you weren't all laughing at Phuk Dat! Poor, poor guy.

I thought the kid who was looking for his shoes should have gone through with what they showed. The put through some people didn't have half his talent through to Vegas straight away.

:eek: BLASPHEMY!!! :eek:
The only time I ever watched that other craptacular, overblown, assinine "dance" show was when Keibler was on.

Have to agree with spyder on this one. Stacy Keibler was simply amazing. Best contestant ever on DWTS (and she didn't even win, which goes to show how worthless the actual "competition" is). But I must disagree with his assessment of that show. It's loads of fun, and the hotties on there put the ones on this show to shame, for the most part. The costumes, (or lack thereof) have a lot to do with it.

Have to agree with spyder on this one. Stacy Keibler was simply amazing. Best contestant ever on DWTS (and she didn't even win, which goes to show how worthless the actual "competition" is). But I must disagree with his assessment of that show. It's loads of fun, and the hotties on there put the ones on this show to shame, for the most part. The costumes, (or lack thereof) have a lot to do with it.

Ahh, Stacy !! And Kelley Monaco, of course ---<@

Actually I believe they give me 30 minutes to see how fast they can pick up a routine (one which more or less reflects what they typically do on the show).

Yes, I saw that they only give them 30 minutes which is probably even more terrifying.

It looks like we swing dancers don't do too well on the show. And none of the Carolina Shaggers even made it the air for more than three seconds. This is definitely a different kind of dancing that I'm used to.

Actually the Season 2 champ Benji was a West Coast Swing champion. He was really good too. I was surprised not to see any of the Shaggers make it very far, but apparently they weren't that good.

This dude was amazing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvkdXHzKw4o

How someone like this doesn't make it when "Miss All-Pink, All-Fake, Dumb-as-a-Box-of-Rocks, Ameteur Pageant, Barbie-Girl, Legally Blonde Clone" does, is so far beyond reason, it makes my brain hurt. :mad:

Aside from BJ Harris (above) the 15 year-old "liar" was phenomenal. He's the first "contemporary" dancer that has impressed me from the get-go. As a whole, I can't stand the contemporary style. It's far too open for interpretation, allowing for the jidges to simply put through whomever they choose. One person's arms and legs flailing and flapping about is touted as unworthy, while another's is supposedly fantastic. Too often, dancers are allowed an easy way out because if they miss a move, they can simply state that they meant to overextend and look like a contorted, spastic monkey getting his testicles shocked with a taser. :confused:

As a complete aside, I also found this wonderful "So You Think You Can Dance" video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8HIzPdcvMQ :D

This dude was amazing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvkdXHzKw4o

How someone like this doesn't make it when "Miss All-Pink, All-Fake, Dumb-as-a-Box-of-Rocks, Ameteur Pageant, Barbie-Girl, Legally Blonde Clone" does, is so far beyond reason, it makes my brain hurt. :mad:

Aside from BJ Harris (above) the 15 year-old "liar" was phenomenal. He's the first "contemporary" dancer that has impressed me from the get-go. As a whole, I can't stand the contemporary style. It's far too open for interpretation, allowing for the jidges to simply put through whomever they choose. One person's arms and legs flailing and flapping about is touted as unworthy, while another's is supposedly fantastic. Too often, dancers are allowed an easy way out because if they miss a move, they can simply state that they meant to overextend and look like a contorted, spastic monkey getting his testicles shocked with a taser. :confused:

As a complete aside, I also found this wonderful "So You Think You Can Dance" video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8HIzPdcvMQ :D

The 15 year-old "Liar" reminded me of a "thicker" Danny from last season. I hate to say thicker as he isn't fat, just more muscular, but I can't say that either because Danny was about as trim as you could get. It's weird. Even the guys movements and facial features were the same as Danny. It was weird. And then Phuk came out and I couldn't help but think of Dominic. Strange.

Too bad BJ completely blew off the choreography. His audition was pretty stellar, but not as good as Mr. Incredible from LA.

I did like the guy who had his mom on his shirt. If you saw the choreography, he did very well considering his style in the audition.

Now, the Italian Girl (with her entire family there)...WOWZA! :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVj8DDyTgws 2:50 in is where she starts....Kind of has that "lean" cat-McPhee to her. ;) I caught a Camel Toe at 3:42 (could see it clear as day live in HD, SD Widescreen, whatever we're arguing about here...how's that for detail?)

I also enjoyed the twins audition. It was cool that his brother got him back into it with the couple dance. That was very cool. Night and day difference. Great attitude too.

As a complete aside, I also found this wonderful "So You Think You Can Dance" video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8HIzPdcvMQ :D

I caught a Camel Toe at 3:42 (could see it clear as day live in HD, SD Widescreen, whatever we're arguing about here...how's that for detail?)

Ahhh, the pervs are out today. :D FWIW, I completely agree with both of you.

Come on... tell me you weren't all laughing at Phuk Dat! Poor, poor guy.
I laughed so hard at Phukdat...and also at "Dancing Derrick" Bradley, who was not always true to his nickname, but had some unusual moves.

I thought the kid who was looking for his shoes [Anthony] should have gone through with what they showed. The put through some people didn't have half his talent through to Vegas straight away.
Upon further review (another look at last night's ep on YouTube), Anthony did have some potential. I think his hint of arrogance rubbed the judges the wrong way.

Now, the Italian Girl [Courtney Galiano] (with her entire family there)...WOWZA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVj8DDyTgws 2:50 in is where she starts....Kind of has that "lean" cat-McPhee to her.
Another dancing dynamo! Courtney had me fron the get-go.

Meanwhile, there were a couple of hopefuls that caught my eye, yet have not been discussed here: Sheila Kaiser, the Atlanta girl who auditioned against her dad's wishes, was very dazzling; Claire Callaway, whose audition was seen later in the show (she got to Vegas in season 2 but got hurt, then had a cute baby girl last year), was also very good. It surprised me a bit that Claire did not get her ticket to Sin City after that first routine; she had to prove herself in the choreography round, where from what I saw of her, she looked much better.

Claire looked as though she froze up and played it safe, perhaps because of her previous injury. Much like in football, once some "players" gets hurt, they're never the same. The question is, will she do it again in Vegas (and perhaps beyond)? If so, she shouldn't be put through, as dancers that don't follow through are a detrement to not only their partners, but to themselves as well.

The quality of dancers is definitely higher this year than ever.

Courtney and Sheila gotta be early favorites.

Actually the Season 2 champ Benji was a West Coast Swing champion. He was really good too. I was surprised not to see any of the Shaggers make it very far, but apparently they weren't that good.

But only one WCS dancer out of three seasons? Have there been more that at least made it to the second round?

But only one WCS dancer out of three seasons? Have there been more that at least made it to the second round?

Benji one the competition, and in the same season his cousin made the final four or five. His sister made it to next to final or final show last year, and she was primarily a WCS dancer.

Yep, swing has actually been well represented all things considered. What you don't see is dancers like tap, strict ballet, irish step, etc; making it that far.

So basically, all you have to do is dance bally and it seems the judges splooge all over you?:rolleyes:

There seems to be no hope for other dance styles.

No ballet dancer has made it to the finals of SYTYCD

So basically, all you have to do is dance bally and it seems the judges splooge all over you?:rolleyes:

There seems to be no hope for other dance styles.

You're talking about Contemporary. If you get up there and flail your arms and legs about like a jackass doing nothing but improvised moves while hopped up on tainted crack, you're straight through to Vegas, regardless of if you're ridiculously average "at what you do." If you're a B-Boy, be assured that you're going to have to (at best) do the choreography, regardless of how phenomenal you are "at what you do." :mad:

I was stunned 2 tappers made it last night! The second one was a lot better than the first :)

No one will beat Mr. Fantastic because all he has to do is dance for his life every time. When he does his thing no one can beat him!

Love the show though. There were some great dancers last night.

They could change the show up a bit. Maybe not have a "dance for your life", where viewers call in... Or, if someone is in the bottom 2 three times they're out...

I'm sure it will be predictable and they won't have the balls to change but they need to do something to prevent a one trick pony from riding their one trick to the end.

I'm sure it will be predictable and they won't have the balls to change but they need to do something to prevent a one trick pony from riding their one trick to the end.Largely like every other reality show viewers vote for who they like. As such if their solo influences the vote that much they must surely deserve to win. :)

So basically, all you have to do is dance bally and it seems the judges splooge all over you?:rolleyes:

There seems to be no hope for other dance styles.

I disagree. Last year the top 10 had 2 b boys, 1 b girl and ballroom guy and I think 1 ballroom girl.

Of course contemp dancers are going to have an advantage since they likely have more experience w/ other styles. The reason tappers, ballroom and b-folks haven't won yet is they probably haven't been able to adapt to all styles as well as the others.

Is anyone else as annoyed as I am about the way the jidges dismiss men when they dance in pairs? :mad: Take, for example, the couple last night that performed all the amazing tricks. The guy was emoting perfectly while simultaniously putting on some of the most brilliant and strong maneuvers we've seen this year...and they blasted him! The girl, meanwhile, did little other than showcase the highlights in her hair and put on a skimpy outfit...and they loved her!

The attitude than a man is little more than a prop for the woman is getting old quick. Without a strong, confident, and capable male partner, the girls are nothing more than a trophy ass out there on stage and might as well just go into modeling instead. What we need are more performances like the one that Neil and Sara did last year, wherein BOTH performers contributed equally, as opposed to one simply taking a backseat to the other. :(

Well, I guess they will compress the whole Las Vegas round into one show tonight. It will be interesting to see who the 20 are. I saw way more than 20 really talented dancers in the auditions. It would be hard to pick only 10 girls and 10 guys.

If I had MY way, there would probably be 18 girls and 2 guys in the final 20 !!

I hope that cheerleader with the fake smile from Dallas doesn't get picked.

Is anyone else as annoyed as I am about the way the jidges dismiss men when they dance in pairs? :mad: Take, for example, the couple last night that performed all the amazing tricks. The guy was emoting perfectly while simultaniously putting on some of the most brilliant and strong maneuvers we've seen this year...and they blasted him! The girl, meanwhile, did little other than showcase the highlights in her hair and put on a skimpy outfit...and they loved her!

The attitude than a man is little more than a prop for the woman is getting old quick. Without a strong, confident, and capable male partner, the girls are nothing more than a trophy ass out there on stage and might as well just go into modeling instead. What we need are more performances like the one that Neil and Sara did last year, wherein BOTH performers contributed equally, as opposed to one simply taking a backseat to the other. :(


This is apparently how it goes w/ most pair based artisic mediums. My wife is a figure skating intstructor so I'm very familiar w/ all aspects of that "sport" and basically, in pairs skating, the guy tends to be just a means to an end. Now, they do have to some jumps and spins but the focus tends to be on the girl. Apparently the same is true for dance.

I was stunned 2 tappers made it last night! The second one was a lot better than the first :)

And they both went straight to Vegas. How do they know they can do any choreography at all? I don't get it.

Man, this show is so much more positive than A.I. I don't think Simon really enjoys music but you can tell that dance is Nigel's life. "Act like you give a ****!" was exactly what I was thinking when he slammed the brakes on one guy's routine. If I had been dancing with that woman, I wouldn't have taken my eyes off of her. I don't know anything about dance performance but I can tell you nothing sucks more in partner dancing than dancing with someone who doesn't care.

I loved that they sent Ashley "the booty shaker" to choreography not because they thought she would make it but because they thought she would learn some stuff and inspire her. These judges are just awesome! Even the dancers that sucked were fun, except for that Zorro prick.

I think that's why guys usually win on Dancing With the Stars. The viewers are paying more attention to the females which gives the professional women a huge advantage over the celebrity women.

Maybe if two guys danced together then the focus wouldn't be on the woman? but then some one would argue that the lifter gets less attention than the liftee.

It was funny but I thought it a bit weird that Travis came out in drag and danced to "It's Raining Men" at the end of last night's show.

...Man, this show is so much more positive than A.I.
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Exactly. The great thing is to see REAL talent come out and become better and better week after week after week due to proper; encouragement, criticism, and training. Where SYTYCD tears a person down so that they can be built back up and grow into something more than what they are, regardless of outcome, AI just tears everyone down and offers zero in the way of making them better.

...I loved that they sent Ashley "the booty shaker" to choreography not because they thought she would make it but because they thought she would learn some stuff and inspire her...

Me too. That type of move costs the show absolutely nothing, yet obviously made an HUGE impact on someone's life. :)

Liz, what the hell were you thinking! Rule #1 of any of these shows is shut up! Grrrr.

LOL, I loved how Liz talked her way right out of the competition. :D

And I really despised the re-vote thing at the very end. Regardless of what Katie said, you originally chose her, so stick with your decision. I don't like the way that Nigel seems to wield all of the power, regardless if its his show. Then Mary, like the big old shrieking shlub that she is, follows right behind Nigel. She's worse than Paula.

Me too. That type of move costs the show absolutely nothing, yet obviously made an HUGE impact on someone's life. :)

And gave them two or three minutes of total entertainment that probably every viewer can relate to.

Another neat thing is that you don't normally see contemporary dance on network television. I don't like contemporary dance but I'm glad there's a big show where these dancers can show their talent.

Did ya'll hear the audio when that dude's knee locked up near the end? If you can't stand to hear crackles don't go back and listen.

When the dancers left the stage and went through the door to the white hallway, a sign to the left of the door indicated where they really were - Studio 36 which is the American Idol studio.

I am surprised no one mentioned, I think his name was Robert, who quit before they went through the first round in Vegas. Even if he had failed to get through the first round, they probably would have had him back on the show because what he does is incredible.

I enjoy the Las Vegas round more than the regular rounds. It is really a humbling experience to be forced to do someone else choreography even if its your own style. I do think it is a real disadvantage be stuck way in the back during that big of a choreography session.

No one will beat Mr. Fantastic because all he has to do is dance for his life every time. When he does his thing no one can beat him!

Love the show though. There were some great dancers last night.

I guess I was way off on this one! It appears that the only one who could beat Mr. Fantastic was, well, Mr. Fantastic himself. I thought that was a really bad move when he quit like that. He should have just gone up there and tried like everyone else. His solos would have saved him at least a few times.

Anyway, overall the talent this year is as good as any other season. However, I don’t see any absolute stars like Benji or Lacy or Heidi for that matter(I guess that family ran out of competitors).

Though they did put another West Coast Swing guy through at the end. Both tappers got cut. The guy quitting at the beginning was... weird.

And god, the poor girl that came back this year after having the kid. She was just a complete train wreck.

That guy quitting was a pus move.

I think if Claire uses this year to dance more and come back she can do well. Maybe by then she will look older than 12.

I've taken dozens of dance classes over the years and nothing is more frustrating than seeing your body doing something your brain is telling it not to do. It has to be a hundred times more frustrating for these people who are good to fantastic dancers. Memorizing a routine this quickly? I don't have a friggin' idea how anyone can do that. They tell me it's something called "muscle memory". I have none of this and have to rely on the memory in my brain which is much less reliable in dance.

I think the best strategy in these rounds was to shut up and stick through it. After all, there's a chance that a lot of dancers will suck even more than you do so you might slip to the next round where you'll do better. That heart-wrenching exposition by the blond tap dancer was the wrong thing to do. The choreographers don't care about what you feel. They care about what you've just done and how you're going to do from now on.

The guy who protested while the rest of his group furiously tried to put a routine together just didn't get it. The best thing to do is put together a simple routine that everyone can do then build on it. Until your entire group has a workable routine, shut up, let the "weaker" dancers get the routine, then start making suggestions.

The group routine with the long tap dancing solo would have been disqualified in many competitions. I've seen "group routines" that were actually a series of solo dances and I've not seen one fool the judges! They absolutely needed the rest of the group to do something like jazz steps while she was tapping away.

The Katee/Natalie thing was the last example of shut up! These judges don't want to hear how you really feel or how difficult this has been. They want to be reassured that you're going to kick ass if they pick you.

So should they rename the show to, "Shut Up and Dance"??? ;)

I told my wife if the dance profession was at cut throat as the judges are, I'm glad I'm not a dancer.

So should they rename the show to, "Shut Up and Dance"??? ;)
Good call.

I think the best strategy in these rounds was to shut up and stick through it. After all, there's a chance that a lot of dancers will suck even more than you do so you might slip to the next round where you'll do better. That heart-wrenching exposition by the blond tap dancer was the wrong thing to do. The choreographers don't care about what you feel. They care about what you've just done and how you're going to do from now on.

The guy who protested while the rest of his group furiously tried to put a routine together just didn't get it. The best thing to do is put together a simple routine that everyone can do then build on it. Until your entire group has a workable routine, shut up, let the "weaker" dancers get the routine, then start making suggestions....

The Katee/Natalie thing was the last example of shut up! These judges don't want to hear how you really feel or how difficult this has been. They want to be reassured that you're going to kick ass if they pick you.
All told, it may have been the biggest group of crybabies this side of kindergarten.;)

I did not get what Katee said when she was about to learn her fate. If she thought this whole thing was going to be difficult, she should not have tried out for the show in the first place.

Meanwhile, it felt good to see that some of my favorites, especially Chelsie Hightower (I liked her Salt Lake audition dance so much, I have watched it on YouTube several times!), Kherington Payne, and Courtney Galiano. So sorry about the Hart twins not making it, however; they were very entertaining to watch.

It looks like a very talented top 20 this year. May the best dancer win...:)

All told, it may have been the biggest group of crybabies this side of kindergarten.;)
Dancing is personal and emotional yet you have to share it with everyone. It's hard to be cold and business-like about it.

I did not get what Katee said when she was about to learn her fate. If she thought this whole thing was going to be difficult, she should not have tried out for the show in the first place.
She didn't say that she thought it was going to be difficult. I thought she said it would be too hard to get cut twice and come back a third time (I wasn't aware she had been on the show before).

Probably most dancers question their abilities from time to time but they're smart enough not to blabber about it to a bunch of judges. You don't say at the end of a job interview, "This sounds hard. I'm not sure I'm good enough for this job." That's what I thought when I interviewed for my present job but they still haven't caught on to me 18 years later.

I was very disappointed to see pretty much zero coverage of hot ballroom dancers and real-life couple Leonidas Proskurov and Aliona Vetrenko. They smoked up the stage with their hot routine (and her red dress, and fantatstic legs) back on the first audition show.

I never did see her again, although I think I saw him get the heave-ho by Nigel when he said "Leo you're cut". Very quick, but I think that was him.

How could she have been that bad so that they wouldn't even show her failing performance? She was really HOT!

Just in case... for reference...

Here are details (http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/06/06/so-you-think-you-can-dance-4-top-20-dancers/) and pictures of top 20.

Also includes link to uTube video of final "happy dance".

Now is the time for all gurus to submit their predictions, based on what we've seen so far as far as innate talent... for their own style as well as someone else's choreography.

I was very disappointed to see pretty much zero coverage of hot ballroom dancers and real-life couple Leonidas Proskurov and Aliona Vetrenko. They smoked up the stage with their hot routine (and her red dress, and fantatstic legs) back on the first audition show.

I never did see her again, although I think I saw him get the heave-ho by Nigel when he said "Leo you're cut". Very quick, but I think that was him.

How could she have been that bad so that they wouldn't even show her failing performance? She was really HOT!


They had a lot to squeeze into one two-hour episode.

I wish they'd spend less time on the fake drama (come on everybody has a life story to tell..) and more on the actual dancing.

Now is the time for all gurus to submit their predictions, based on what we've seen so far as far as innate talent... for their own style as well as someone else's choreography.


Not a guru but I can see Courtney Galiano in the final 4. I like that guy, Mark Kanemura too.

Right now, it is hard for me to pick just ONE hopeful to take the trophy; what happens in the next few weeks will tell the tale.

Even so, I think that the top 4 will come from among Twitch, Marquis, Will, Courtney G., Susie, Chelsie H. and Kherington.

Meanwhile, forgive me for not being hip, but I could care less about the Pussycat Dolls performing on next week's results show. Even cruise ship performers sing and dance better than the PCD.;)

After watching and rewatching the "happy dance" uTube video of the top 20 shown on the other site, I've decided that Khourtni and Susie will be among the early ones to depart. Katee as well, and then Chelsea (who appears to be in remarkably toned condition).

Rayven may well be my early winner-prediction, at least based on these few seconds and her apparently fabulous dancing techniques. I also really like Courtney and Kherington (who's very athletic and has great coordination). I predict Comfort (hip-hop) is also going to be somehwat of a surprise (but she needs to get rid of those braces on her teeth!), although her limited experience may be her undoing.

Chelsie is very VERY easy on the eyes, and a great dancer. Jessica looks like a well trained ballet dancer with marvelous modern dance instincts, and could be remarkable to watch be choreographed.

The men are harder to characterize, but William (Debbie Allen's student) looks terrific, as does Jamie. Even Joshua may surprise. Mark (who came out of nowhere) looks good, as does Marquis.

Early to go should be Matt and Chris, maybe Gev. Also Thayne.

Really hard to tell from these brief clips, since a number of the dancers have had ZERO airtime up until Vegas week, as far as I can remember. Very odd not to showcase them in the editing, unless they're saving the auditions for flashbacks later in the season... leading one to believe that they will last a while.

Anyway, even though there is no Pasha this year I'm really looking forward to this season's performances. These kids looks like major talents.

Since this is my first season, I have absolutely no idea who's going to make it. Also with the five seconds clips we saw of the dancers it's next to impossible to figure out how well they did in the auditions even after watching it a second time. At least Fox was nice enough to put it in widescreen so we could see more of the dancers!

I'm rooting for Courtney (Kortnee?) Lynn since I don't like contemporary dance, but her performance to a spoken-word Anni DeFranco song was unlike anything I've ever seen. I also have to root for Jamie Baird because he's the only dancer there's a very very slight chance I may run into some day.

If anyone want to see an example of a group routine that was disqualified due to lack of group content, check out this Lindy Hop clip. (http://www.kaneva.com/asset/assetDetails.aspx?assetId=7607&communityId=0) This wasn't from the actual competition but the group did it for the swing dance New Year's party they have in Danvers, MA every year.

I'm okay with the top 20. Some shockers that left, but this is a good little group. I'm really digging Courtney G. and have always liked Twitch. Glad he made it this year. I also like Kherington.

The best thing that happened the other night was the announcement of Debbi Allen not judging this season while her apprentice was there in the competition. I just can't stand her. She's a terrible judge, and painful to listen to.

Watching the Vegas show was an eye-opener. There were some in that top 20 you could easily say, "You're gone early". Others, well, let's just say when they get down to half, it's really going to be a firework show!

Can't wait for this week!

Hmm. I don't have a true favorite yet, but I can tell you exactly who I DON'T want to make it even past the first week...Katee! :mad: She didn't hesitate in throwing her much smarter and much better friend/roommate's hopes under the bus when it came down to the two of them, and it "nearly" backfired on her not making it in the Top 20. I say "nearly" because Nigel pretty much told her she's fodder for the jidges when he said something to the effect of, "The last few minutes told us a great deal about you both. Natalie, please come back next year." Katee won, but only barely, and primarily by default. Think she'll support Natalie as strongly next year? :rolleyes:

That said, the selfish, whiny be-yotch will now probably win the whole thing just to piss me off. :(

At least Miss Wannabe America didn't get in! :D

And god, the poor girl that came back this year after having the kid. She was just a complete train wreck.

Maybe that will teach her to keep those skinny legs of her shut. I can see her no pursuing her passion and winding up with 5 kids living in a trailer park.;)

Priorities people.

That said, the selfish, whiny be-yotch will now probably win the whole thing just to piss me off. :(


Not a chance. The judges don't like her anymore and the fans certainly don't. I don't see her making it much past the few couple of weeks. Talent can only take you so far in these things (which is why I think Twitch has to be an early fav, the judges love him and he already has a fan base and good personality).

I just stumbled upon two videos Kherington made last year which feature some terrific dance moves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BelASHMONpk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSO8kjLe5AU

And, here's one of Chelsie H. really cutting up the rug, also from last year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5h-ZIXlgYo

Kherington is quite the self-promoter. Watching that first video I couldn't help but think that she has a future on some kind of entertainment TV show. I think that she'd be great at that, and it would likely be far more lucrative than dancing.

Kherington is quite the self-promoter...

I'd say! "Hey girls, let me show you a dance move while your boyfriend checks out my hot bod. Just in case mom and dad walk in, I'll throw in a sweet shot of my little sis. Oh, and I threw in a blooper reel just to show you I'm not a stuck up bitch."

Smart, smart girl!

Is the "n" word supposed to be censored by Fox? I coulda sworn I heard it during one of the songs Thursday night.

Is the "n" word supposed to be censored by Fox? I coulda sworn I heard it during one of the songs Thursday night.
I did not notice said word being used that night; then again, I was focusing on the dancing and the drama.

Those videos are so cheesy they're difficult to watch. However I do have to admit, she is very bubbly in her personality.

As much as I would like Twitch to win, I'm betting he finishes 3rd.

I like Kherington because she is a soccer player.

anyone knows what happened to the girl who auditioned with a scarf around her neck? Nigel said she looked like Miss Piggy. Did she get very far? Too bad she wasn't a very strong dancer because I had an instant crush on her.

anyway, this show makes AI looks truly pathetic and undeserving of its popularity. glad to have it back. Though it seems we're running out of talent rapidly.

anyone knows what happened to the girl who auditioned with a scarf around her neck? Nigel said she looked like Miss Piggy. Did she get very far? Too bad she wasn't a very strong dancer because I had an instant crush on her.
She was cut near the end of the last round of cuts before they did the top 20 cutting.

Anyone know the name of the girl that danced last year but hurt her ankle, then ended up getting pregnant and then tried out again this year and made it to Las Vegas. The skinny blonde girl.

Anyone know the name of the girl that danced last year but hurt her ankle, then ended up getting pregnant and then tried out again this year and made it to Las Vegas. The skinny blonde girl.
Claire. She was cut in the first round of cuts in Vegas.

Everyone remembers Claire.

It doesn't hurt to have the world's best butt!

ah, the "hot mess". I remember thee well.

Everyone remembers Claire.

It doesn't hurt to have the world's best butt!

The rest isn't too bad either....

Everyone remembers Claire.

It doesn't hurt to have the world's best butt!

Amen to that brother.:D

Amen to that brother.:D

She sure did. Wow.

Wow didnt realize that Chelsea T. went to my same college UTD and graduated with the same major as me...i graduated in '03 and her '07 so i might have crossed paths with her...plus she was a Mavs dance, so i will probably root for her

Wow didnt realize that Chelsea T. went to my same college UTD and graduated with the same major as me...i graduated in '03 and her '07 so i might have crossed paths with her...plus she was a Mavs dance, so i will probably root for her

She may have been that plain looking kid with a crush on you that you brushed off years ago.

She sure did. Wow.
She still looks 12 tho.

No ballet dancer has made it to the finals of SYTYCD

I thought last year's, Danny, actually was a performer in a ballet troup. Seems like I heard or read that somewhere. He certainly had the look, grace, strenght and moves. He had that haughty countenance though, like Nureyev of whom he reminded me when he danced, which is probably what tripped him up in the voting. We should be so lucky as to have someone of his talents this year. If it turns out we do have that in store, I have seen no sign of it yet, although the final fellow cut seemed to have that potential from his audition earlier...at least the strenght and grace part. What was his name...Bradly, or something like that? I was shocked he did not make it. The guy was a beautiful animal, which seems like what is most desirable and sought after in a great dancer.

Sorry, I guess I was wrong. I thought Danny was a lyrical dancer. ...oops

I recall that Danny was trained (and adopted) by Travis' mother, who I have never heard was a ballet teacher, but Danny is so skilled and talented that he may have been accepted into a ballet troup anyway. I bet someone here can straighten me out on that.

:eek: Wow, really? Guys are going ga-ga for the adolescent-looking stick-figure Claire? :confused:

While other girls have come and gone on this show with their assorted and individual nice parts, it's Jamie from last year that I think had the best overall body ever to grace SYTYCD. Toned, but not overly so, yet soft and "pillowy" in all the right places at the same time. Her symmetry and contours were superb as well. All woman, all the time.

:eek: Wow, really? Guys are going ga-ga for the adolescent-looking stick-figure Claire? :confused:

Just that she has a great bum. I enjoyed in her tryout when she put her hands on a speaker (I think) with her back to the jidges and stuck out her bum while glaring back at them. It looked like she was ready for business. And her gap looks like the parting of the Pink Sea.

:While other girls have come and gone on this show with their assorted and individual nice parts, it's Jamie from last year that I think had the best overall body ever to grace SYTYCD. Toned, but not overly so, yet soft and "pillowy" in all the right places at the same time. Her symmetry and contours were superb as well. All woman, all the time.

I like all the other hotties too. I do not diss any of them.

:eek: Wow, really? Guys are going ga-ga for the adolescent-looking stick-figure Claire? :confused:

While other girls have come and gone on this show with their assorted and individual nice parts, it's Jamie from last year that I think had the best overall body ever to grace SYTYCD. Toned, but not overly so, yet soft and "pillowy" in all the right places at the same time. Her symmetry and contours were superb as well. All woman, all the time.

Any pics of this Jamie?

:eek: Wow, really? Guys are going ga-ga for the adolescent-looking stick-figure Claire? :confused:

While other girls have come and gone on this show with their assorted and individual nice parts, it's Jamie from last year that I think had the best overall body ever to grace SYTYCD. Toned, but not overly so, yet soft and "pillowy" in all the right places at the same time. Her symmetry and contours were superb as well. All woman, all the time.

I don't think I've ever used the word "pillowy" to describe a women, at least in a good way. :)

:eek: Wow, really? Guys are going ga-ga for the adolescent-looking stick-figure Claire? :confused:

While other girls have come and gone on this show with their assorted and individual nice parts, it's Jamie from last year that I think had the best overall body ever to grace SYTYCD. Toned, but not overly so, yet soft and "pillowy" in all the right places at the same time. Her symmetry and contours were superb as well. All woman, all the time.

Preach on, Jamie was H-O-T.

Preach on, Jamie was H-O-T.Sadly for us viewers, her dancing skills were not as excellent as initially appeared to be the case and she was sent to the showers early.

Indeed, she was excellent to watch.

Any pics of this Jamie?

http://web.mac.com/jaimiegoodwinfans/Site/Pics/Pics.html

There are other places, but this one has a good variety. None of the images you'll see there (or any other places I briefly looked) remotely do her justice though. Quite seriously, she has one of the most perfect athletic, yet womanly bodies...not just on this show, but on Earth.

Well I really liked Sheila but she got cut in Las Vegas, without any followup story.

My favorite at this point is Courtney Galiano.

Katie can go home this week.

My favorite at this point is Courtney Galiano.Yep, fan favorite. Very very appealing.

But keep your eye on Rayven Armijo, my dark horse pick.

Preach on, Jamie was H-O-T.

not so much

Jamie & Hok dancing Wade Robson's incredible Hummingbird & Flower To John Williams', The Chairman's Waltz. I never realized Jamie was actually shorter than Hok until that dance. I have retained the performance on my Tivo, and watch it (and others) often. They better put this stuff on DVD soon, or I am going to run out of memory space on the dvr. Fortunately it is not HD in that regard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slc7zi7Qirg

not so much

To hetero males, she was hot. To others, not so much.

Jamie seemed a little dorky.

I remember from last season the blonde who was spinning and then lifter her leg above her head and kept spinning. I was like, WOW.

I wonder why Jessie didn't try to come back this year?

To hetero males, she was hot. To others, not so much.

Exactly, she definitely isn't the sharpest tool in the shed but she is extremely good looking.

Jamie seemed a little dorky.

I remember from last season the blonde who was spinning and then lifter her leg above her head and kept spinning. I was like, WOW.

I wonder why Jessie didn't try to come back this year?

I think if you made the top 20 you can't come back? Even though her dismissal was odd last year it was still within the rules of the show so I don't think she's eligible anymore.

Exactly, she definitely isn't the sharpest tool in the shed but she is extremely good looking.
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To each their own I guess. She didn't do anything for me. And I'm very hetero.
My wife liked her though.

Jamie & Hok dancing Wade Robson's incredible Hummingbird & Flower To John Williams', The Chairman's Waltz...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slc7zi7Qirg

No matter how many times I watch it, I still become utterly overwhelmed by the sheer emotional power and breathtaking beauty of that performance.

Throw in this as well, particularly around the 1:17 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLkfdxZCZ9w&amp;feature=related

Well... my mind apparently malfunctioned.

I was not thinking about Jamie when I made my earlier comments. I was thinking about Jessi Peralta, who was scheduled to dance the cha-cha with Pasha when she had some kind of physical breakdown from exhaustion during rehearsals and was taken to the hospital. She was bounced from the competition because she couldn't compete, and Pasha danced on the show with a choreographer lady instead.

Jessi came back for the results show, and although she was already out Nigel decided to let her and Pasha perform the cha-cha they would have danced had she not gotten sick. Here is the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25hDHco3UNo&feature=related) of that performance.

Now that I see Jamie I don't remember her all that well. It was JESSI who I was sad to see go, although as I mentioned earlier I don't think her skills on the show measured up to my expectations based on her audition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvvy3vWNAcY).

I was very disappointed to see pretty much zero coverage of hot ballroom dancers and real-life couple Leonidas Proskurov and Aliona Vetrenko.

Just found this audition video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcnlz7xFQ4Y&feature=related) of Pasha and Anya from S3.

Hard to decide which was the hotter couple, when compared to the audition video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ZrfWTxLB4) of Leonidas and Aliona.

Can't wait till tonight's first performance show.

Our host is looking smoking hot tonight...talk about one cool Cat!;)

It was JESSI who I was sad to see go, although as I mentioned earlier I don't think her skills on the show measured up to my expectations based on (link) her audition[/URL].

Yes, it was Jessi that got "sick." The problem was that she was an overly emotional train wreck just waiting to happen. If she hadn't justifiably gotten the boot, she would have likely crumbled down the stretch, despite the fact that Pasha was easily the best partner in the competition and made her look extremely good that week.

I thought the Broadway routine by Kherington and Twitch was the best one tonight. It looked like both of them were having a lot of fun doing it. Other couples who I thought did well: Courtney G. and Gev with their disco dance (what was Nigel thinking? :confused:), Chelsea T. and Thayne doing the cha-cha (and doing it with a lot of spark), Chelsie H. and Mark (I forgot what dance they did, but it was very admirable), and Susie and Marquis with their Viennese waltz.

On the other end of the scale, Kourtni L. and Matt's dance to "Tainted Love" was for me the worst of the night. I did not detect much choreography in it, if at all (though Kourtni looked very sexy in that leggy leather outfit). I would not be surprised to see them in the bottom three tomorrow night, though I fear Courtney G. and Gev may not fare much better if voting viewers take Nigel's comments at face value.

I thought the Broadway routine by Kherington and Twitch was the best one tonight. It looked like both of them were having a lot of fun doing it. Other couples who I thought did well: Courtney G. and Gev with their disco dance (what was Nigel thinking? :confused:), Chelsea T. and Thayne doing the cha-cha (and doing it with a lot of spark), Chelsie H. and Mark (I forgot what dance they did, but it was very admirable), and Susie and Marquis with their Viennese waltz.

On the other end of the scale, Kourtni L. and Matt's dance to "Tainted Love" was for me the worst of the night. I did not detect much choreography in it, if at all (though Kourtni looked very sexy in that leggy leather outfit). I would not be surprised to see them in the bottom three tomorrow night, though I fear Courtney G. and Gev may not fare much better if voting viewers take Nigel's comments at face value.

Dead on.

Kherington and Twitch were fantastic. As stated earlier, I like both of them (awesome pairing for me!) and Courtney G (didn't care too much for the routine, but she did good). Thayne was interesting to watch, and think he could go far, and I must say I like Rayven in there now too as she has a great personality and can dance! Will was damn good too later on in the show. Joshua was impressive as well, but want to see him do something out of his norm before I make any more comments on him.

Chelsie and Mark did the Mia Michaels routine (what would Tim Burton's wedding be like), which I thought was decent.

Was it me, or was Chris too damn creepy? Something isn't right about him. Very strange.

VERY good start to the season. I mean there were a couple of routines that were "boring" but executed extremely well. There wasn't a routine that I just "hated" like last year when we started off. It will be interesting to see the bottom 3 girls and guys and who the "Jidges" decide will go home.

Best news from tonight....Kat delivering the news that Wade will be doing the group routine tomorrow night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D

Does anybody name their kids with real names anymore?

My first season watching it from the start (caught one or two audition shows in previous years). It has been said here before, but I admire this show leaps and bounds above AI. I have watched AI since season two. Being a musician who is vocally challenged (background only for me :D) I like to watch to see what the AI contestants can do.

But after watching just the start of this season of SYTYCD, it blows away AI.

What these people go through and what they accomplish from week to week is amazing to me. How people rooted in Hip-Hop can be transformed into a "Broadway" performer is humbling and endearing. As a performer I love seeing someone excel in something outside of their comfort zone.

It is a little shameful that the AI performers, in general, are totally lost when required to perform out of their zone. These dancers are asked to learn new routines in different styles sometimes within an hour (granted many fail, but even those failures are still impressive at times).

Finally, while Mary's voice can tend to be grating, I am VERY impressed with the "criticism" the judging panel hands out. As said here before, they really do seem to care and want to help. I would say 99% of the contestants take the criticism well and use it to improve. I also like how the judging panel is set off to side of the stage, rather than dead center (and the center of attention).
For me, I will continue to watch AI, but SYTYCD has certainly lowered my view of AI.

Have to admit, other than Twitch last night I wasn't thrilled. I won't remember any of those performances by next week.

I think Kourtni and Matt looked very "heavy". I know they're both tall, but she's just not that graceful. She's big boned and hefty/strong, but I didn't care for the routine. Supposed to maybe be sexy, but it seemed like there was no chemistry there.

I thought both Chelsea (especially) and Chelsie were terrific. Mary's description of Chelsie as being thrown around by Mark like a "powder-puff ball" was a perfect description of what her dress made her look lik. It was a wonderful performance, and Mark really surprised me.

Chelsea was fantastic... and her body and haircut aren't too shabby either. Great legs, great lines, great costume, I see her going far. Partner Thayne did her surprisingly well, but she was the star of the duo... and maybe the night. Wow!

Disappointingly, Courtney and Gev are clearly bottom three. Wow, that was poor. As Nigel said, they just didn't have a spark. Did not "get down and booooogie".

I actually was not all that impressed with Kherington, though Twitch was a real surprise. I wouldn't have guessed he had that much true dancing talent but he did. But I thought she was a little clunky (and athletic, rather than graceful), despite her wonderful face and teeth and great personality.

I thought Comfort and Chris were ok. She's got quite the spirit, and really suprised me with her jive performance though I thought it lacked real bounce. Pretty good though.

Katee and Joshua were pretty good, quite in sync with each other. Surprising connection. I think the judges were correct in picking her... she's the better dancer between her and Natalie. Quite the impressive move when she "reversed" him back up to standing via his toes. He's a very nice guy. They could surprise.

Jessica and Will's tango was not impressive. He was very very impressive, but she flubbed it and it showed. I didn't like her dress, which hid her entire lower body so that you couldn't see her footwork and lines, and consequently she didn't look sexy at all. He's an excellent dancer.

Can't recall much about Susie and Chris, and both can go as far as I'm concerned.

Leadoff pair Rayven and Jamie were not bad (though I don't like hip-hop, so I'm not one to judge) but she needs to tone down her facial gestures. But she has lots of real talent, so I'm looking forward to her dancing in some other style.

As the show goes along it will become clear that if you get the right choreographer pairs can soar through easily. Mia Michaels did an excellent job with Mark and Chelsea. It was very nice to look at. Twitch and Kherington killed the Broadway routine. Of course I think it was more Twitch shining bright while Kherington just held on.

I was surprised how well Joshua and Katee did last night. Not because they do not have talent, but looking at the choreography of the first hip hop routine I thought the two choreographers were hacks. After watching Joshua and Katee perform it showed they were not hacks, but certainly did not do the first couple any favors by making them looking like oddly dressed dance squad members performing at a college halftime show.

Nigel was spot on when he said the routines were a lot harder than what we saw out of the gate last year. I do not know if the talent is better, but they are certainly being put to the test early.

...For me, I will continue to watch AI, but SYTYCD has certainly lowered my view of AI.

And so it should. This show trumps AI in every single way possible. From the talent, to the jidges, to the cameramen, and most certainly to the sound crew this year, SYTYCD is putting its bigger, yet far less attractive brother to utter shame night after night.

What's impressive is the gamut of emotions that one can go through with this show. Each week I'm just as apt to shed a tear in raucous laughter as I am in unbelievable awe or by being genuinely moved by a performance. With AI, I find that 95% of the time I only feel disgust or, even worse, absolutely nothing at all. Feelings of ennui should come from something like Celebrity Circus, not AI. (Don't even try that CC drek, it's beyond terrible. Hint: Joey Fat-One is the host.)

As an aside, I'm more than perturbed that Katee got paired with Joshua. Looks like he'll be single-handedly saving her ass for a few weeks. That guy is not only a great dancer, he emotes with fervent passion that is guaranteed to win over many viewers...despite the severe handicap he's been given in a partner.

The biggest difference I think between A.I. and SYTYCD is that the contestants spend hours and hours learning from the best in the profession. So by the end of competition they have had a chance to learn from the best and many different styles. With A.I. they get, 15-20 minutes maybe 30 minutes with the celebrities and they the go back to the regular music people they have arranging the music.

I'm trying to remember, but aren't the dancers eliminated in pairs until a certain point?

I really hate that. It's unfair when a weak partner drags them down. They should always get to dance for their lives as individuals and be repaired.

I would prefer if they were all repaired every week.

The biggest difference I think between A.I. and SYTYCD is that the contestants spend hours and hours learning from the best in the profession. So by the end of competition they have had a chance to learn from the best and many different styles. With A.I. they get, 15-20 minutes maybe 30 minutes with the celebrities and they the go back to the regular music people they have arranging the music.

Trouble with AI is the contestants are too full of themselves to learn anything in those precious 30 minutes.

My family has abandoned AI and won't be watching in the future.

I'm trying to remember, but aren't the dancers eliminated in pairs until a certain point?

I really hate that. It's unfair when a weak partner drags them down. They should always get to dance for their lives as individuals and be repaired.

I would prefer if they were all repaired every week.

A bottom three pairs get picked. Then they do solo dances to "save their lives." Then the jidges pick who goes. It's a nice format but at times, someone has been weak in a pair but then saved themselves in the solo. Many good team or pair dancers have gone home early because their partners were weak.

A bottom three pairs get picked. Then they do solo dances to "save their lives." Then the jidges pick who goes. It's a nice format but at times, someone has been weak in a pair but then saved themselves in the solo. Many good team or pair dancers have gone home early because their partners were weak.

And this is the best way to do it early on. Weed out the "Sanjaya's" and when it gets down to the Top 10, America is in control of the best.

This show is great!

And this is the best way to do it early on. Weed out the "Sanjaya's" and when it gets down to the Top 10, America is in control of the best.

This show is great!

I do enjoy the scantily dressed women undulating their bodies in rhythm with the suggestive music.
Oops. Did I just say that out loud?
I meant to say that the talent level is far beyond every other contest on TV. Yeah yeah. That's what I meant.

Note: Anyone else notice the commercials for the Sarah Conner's Chronicles during the show last night? Can't wait for that to start up again. Shame it will be on Monday nights again though. I'll have to tape it and watch on Tuesdays.

The only attractive female in the top 20 is Kherington. No others are even remotely attractive to me.

With that said, there seems to be a lot of talent this season, but it seems really rough around the edges. Seemed like a lot of people look like they COULD be great, but they are not there yet. Interesting to see how they develop over this season and if any can grow and improve.

I'm trying to remember, but aren't the dancers eliminated in pairs until a certain point?As I recall, the bottom three pairs produce six solo performances to "dance for their lives".

And from those six solos, two individuals (one male and one female) are booted... not from the same original pairing, but as individuals from the "lowest six".

So as I recall you could certainly end up with two un-paired individuals (the other non-booted half of a partnership) who must get re-paired for next week. I can't remember if this re-pairing is automatic from the two un-paired remainders (I think so) or if there is some other arrangement.

I do know that there is a total pair-shuffling down the road, to try and expose individuals to other partners as part of the "challenge" of being a real dancer. This also tries to eliminate any good-luck advantage that might have accrued from any initial out-of-the-gate pairing, and to try and spread around the overall dance skills of the whole group.

But for sure, it is not a pair that is eliminated tonight... it is two individuals who give the worst two solo performances (as determined by the judges) from the six individual members of the bottom-three pairs (as determined by the voting public).

As I recall, the bottom three pairs produce six solo performances to "dance for their lives".

And from those six solos, two individuals (one male and one female) are booted... not from the same original pairing, but as individuals from the "lowest six".

So as I recall you could certainly end up with two un-paired individuals (the other non-booted half of a partnership) who must get re-paired for next week. I can't remember if this re-pairing is automatic from the two un-paired remainders (I think so) or if there is some other arrangement.

I do know that there is a total pair-shuffling down the road, to try and expose individuals to other partners as part of the "challenge" of being a real dancer. This also tries to eliminate any good-luck advantage that might have accrued from any initial out-of-the-gate pairing, and to try and spread around the overall dance skills of the whole group.

But for sure, it is not a pair that is eliminated tonight... it is two individuals who give the worst two solo performances (as determined by the judges) from the six individual members of the bottom-three pairs (as determined by the voting public).

You are correct.

In light of the other ongoing threads dealing with the trend to have 4:3-safe bug-placement on 16:9 content on the road to total elimination of the analog SD feed, I mention that here in LA all we saw last night was the very small and mostly transparent KTTV-DT logo for the local FOX affiliate, just like they do with AI.

I believe these early performance shows (for Wednesday) are pre-recorded and the logo is inserted by the affiliate. In contrast, I think the Thursday results show may be live and if the AI story holds true we'll likely see a national FOX logo in the 4:3-safe area.

I don't understand. If they're willing to send out the Wednesday show without any bug so that the local affiliate's placement (where it belongs, in the extreme lower corner of 16:9 area), why can't the national FOX bug for Thursday's live show go in the same area???

Or, even more curious, why have a national FOX on Thursday and a local KTTV-DT on Wednesday?

DSperber: the only bug I saw on my screen was the local one for WTLH (the Fox station in Tallahassee, FL), and it was in the lower right corner of the 16:9 area. (By contrast, the ABC logo was in the lower right corner of the 4:3 area during tonight's Celtics-Lakers game; and to top that off, the ESPN logo was in the upper left corner of the 4:3 area during replays.)

As for tonight's results show...

I will start off by saying that I will not say one thing about the Pussycat Dolls.

The group routine was to me just slightly above average, though it was cute seeing Nigel bound and gagged.;)

I was not surprised with the couples who were in the bottom three; their pieces last night were at best little more than average. Kourtni L.'s solo looked a bit uneven to me, but still very well danced; the others were admirable. Even considering the show only lasted an hour, I think giving them just 20-30 seconds to prove themselves worthy of staying in the competition is not quite enough.

And, I was not too surprised to see Rayven and Jamie go; their hip-hop dance last night, while it was good, lacked some flair IMO (and, as Nigel said, the part where Rayven pulled down Jamie's pants might have turned off some viewers); their solos tonight, while admirable, were not much better.

I saw the FOX logo in the safe area.

There was a momentary LIVE bug and Fox always seems to add a safe 4:3 network bug on live shows. I would speculate that the local splicer bug is controlled by automation and obviously live shows require manual control of the breaks.

Anyone having 60hz buzzing in the rear speakers during the program? I've noticed it the last couple of nights of this show. It seems to climax when something on the screen washes white (for instance a pan across the super bright lights). Driving us nuts.

I'm getting the broadcast from a local affiliate feed up through Dish Network (no OTA). I am in Southeast Idaho. I imagine the FOX affiliate is in Idaho Falls.

I'm going to keep saying this until people tell me to shut up: this show is the total opposite of American Idol in every way I can think of.

I watched last night's show before the elimination tonight and everyone was either very good to excellent. Katee and Joshua's hip-hop routine was one of the best I have ever seen (they could have been CGI for all I could tell). The judges give specific advice on how to improve (some involving body parts) instead of dumping on them and their performance with vague put-downs. The dancers learn from choreographers who have to work almost as hard as the dancers every week and are in the peak of their careers, not aging celebrities who are approaching retirement and have summer tours to promote (Neil Diamond and Dolly Parton will be in your cities very soon, in case you were wondering). They actually allow the judges to decide who stays -- well there's an idea! And those who get kicked off (at least tonight) pretty much say, "Thank you for letting me dance on network TV. That's good no matter how many times I got to do it!" Don't they know that a positive attitude like that won't get you anywhere in show business? Just ask bitter successful Simon Cowell! :)

Oh and my two favorites ended in the bottom and the swing dancer got kicked off so I'm not going to pick any more favorites. In fact forget those good things I said about Joshua and Katee. I don't want to inflict my grim reaper luck on any of these dancers.

The sound was pretty bad tonight. Microphones not on and a several distorted overloaded ones. I also don't need the blinding lights in the background obscuring the dancers, especially the ones they used during the disco routine.

My feed absolutely SUCKED last night. It was 4:3 all the way until the commercial break coming back to the final results. I mean, who fell asleep last night in my area and forgot to hit the switch!??! :confused:

I was a little bummed Rayven went, but she was just now growing on me so nothing lost. I was not happy with Will down there, but he'll save his own ass every time he's down there. The rest, I was okay with.

As for the Wade routine last night, I was disappointed with the Nigel bit. I think it completely killed that routine. Not to mention it was so staged, didn't feel real, and it was pre-recorded. It had that creepy, weird potential that Wad is known for, but I honestly think Nigel and the pre-record killed it.

Out of all the SYTYCD shows I watched, last night was the worst "technical" (and I mean camera, sound, etc.) show to date. Mics were all messed up, camerman was all over the joint, and add to that my area screwed the pooch on the "HD" feed. I mean Mary went for 5 sentences without the mic actually coming on. Cat was even mic-less for a while too. What in the hell happened last night!??!

:mad: Let's hope that the audio department is faltering in the early stages and doesn't do a full-on flop near the end-run, ala AI. With the two shows being sisters, is there a possibility that Dance brought over some of the drunk/idiotic/lazy sound crew that worked on AI this year? If so, WHY??? :confused:

I loved the Popper duo - especially the skinny one who did not speak. Quite entertaining to me. On the other hand...the Pussycat Dolls were abominably unmusical and loathsomely vulgar...kind of like the Black Eyed Peas on steroids and in S&M garb. Pathetic! Is that group a Simon Cowell/Sony contrivance?

So, one outside act fit the show and one did not, IMHO. In the future, leave the singing acts to AI, OK, Nigel?

I loved the Popper duo - especially the skinny one who did not speak. Quite entertaining to me. On the other hand...the Pussycat Dolls were abominably unmusical and loathsomely vulgar...kind of like the Black Eyed Peas on steroids and in S&M garb. Pathetic! Is that group a Simon Cowell/Sony contrivance?

So, one outside act fit the show and one did not, IMHO. In the future, leave the singing acts to AI, OK, Nigel?

I agree accept for one point. I've never though of the Pussycat Dolls as a singing act. They're more of a glorified burlesque show who don't even get that part right.

I loved the Popper duo - especially the skinny one who did not speak. Quite entertaining to me.
Yeah! Do they have guest dancers like this during every elimination show? It would have been cool to see old pictures or video of them from the 70's.

On the other hand...the Pussycat Dolls were abominably unmusical and loathsomely vulgar...
Yeah! Do they have mediocre acts fill in the rest of the time during every elimination show? Why not have more dancers instead? Or have the guest dancers do more stuff?

We watched Wednesday's show and the elimination show in sequence last night and thought it was the best start for SYTYCD yet.

Not surprised to see Raven and Jamie go. Coincidently they were both from the same pair but I understand the methodology now. (never really paid attention in the past).

Yeah, comparing the tech performance from Wed to Thur showed how abysmal the audio guys were. And even the camera director did a terrible job.

PCD seem to be getting a little old. They have done their shtick so often now they seem bored. Time to swap them out for some cuter, hungrier girls. The lead singer Nichole tried going out on her own and flopped.

BTW... I don't get all the suspense over the Sarah Connor Chronicles. We all know you can't blow up a Terminator!

BTW... I don't get all the suspense over the Sarah Connor Chronicles. We all know you can't blow up a Terminator!

If an exploding Big Rig couldn't stop one, a Jeep explosion won't either! :D

If an exploding Big Rig couldn't stop one, a Jeep explosion won't either! :D

But there's a hotness factor to worry about.:cool:

But there's a hotness factor to worry about.:cool:

Well, you have a point. It could be an easy way to replace the actress with someone else... Blow up the Terminator and repair it -- with a different look.

Oops... sorry, this is supposed to be about SYTYCD.

Well, you have a point. It could be an easy way to replace the actress with someone else... Blow up the Terminator and repair it -- with a different look.

Oops... sorry, this is supposed to be about SYTYCD.

Well, Summer IS a ballerina. Maybe she can guess star on SYTYCD. Or maybe incorporate SYTYCD into a Terminator episode. (They crash though destroying the set while the dancers run in fear.) After they leave someone can say, "Now THAT was a hot tomalley!"

Nigel in bondage was funny. They should have used "Making plans for Nigel" for the music.
I think that might have been pre-recorded as there were empty audience seats (click on for full size):

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Forgot to mention seeing Pasha (briefly) in the background, helping one of the choreographers! Nice to see yet another of the Dance family being taken in and given real work based upon their talents. :)

In contrast, if I have to see AI faux-hunk Constantine's media-whoring face ever again, I'm going to throw up. :mad:

Too bad Nigel had no chance to show a bit of his dancing chops.

I think that might have been pre-recorded as there were empty audience seats (click on for full size):

I thought I saw some empty seats during that opening bit.

Too bad Nigel had no chance to show a bit of his dancing chops.

He was supposed to last year, along with Cat. But then it turned out, we got screwed as it was nothing more than a jibjab.com animation.

Look, if Tom and Samantha from DWTS have the cajunes to get some training and actually take a turn on the dance floor (not with each other), no matter how bad their performances were, it's far better than what Nigel and Cat did!

Based on that last pic (Cat coming up to a still tied up Nigel), she could have worked out a raise, or left him to rot in the hands of those "evil" dancers. :D

He was supposed to last year, along with Cat. But then it turned out, we got screwed as it was nothing more than a jibjab.com animation.

Look, if Tom and Samantha from DWTS have the cajunes to get some training and actually take a turn on the dance floor (not with each other), no matter how bad their performances were, it's far better than what Nigel and Cat did!From this article (http://www.dancemagazine.com/issues/August-2007/Nigel-Lythgoe-A-Man-A-Plan-A-Wildly-Successful-TV-Show):

"He acknowledges that though he’s trying to use SYTYCD as a vehicle to get more people interested in dance, he is there to make an entertaining show. Still, one wonders if the guy who came of age with the mods and rockers ever feels like letting loose on the dance floor again.

In true Lythgoan fashion, the indefatigable Englishman replies: “I would make a fool of myself. To be totally honest, I would never classify myself as a dancer when I think of these kids. They are so much better than I was. If I did three pirouettes—or even seven or eight—we would celebrate. I wouldn’t stand a chance in the dance world today.”

My wife and I have thought from the first year that Cat Deely is Nigels daughter. Does anyone know for certain?

Is it just me but does the host of the show have down syndrome? She just seems, IMHO, a little bit slow. And she sorta looks like she's slow (droopy left eye).

I don't know, but I think if they had a host with a little more pep, this show would have been a lot more interesting.

My wife and I have thought from the first year that Cat Deely is Nigels daughter. Does anyone know for certain?

I don't think he would've been commenting on what hot legs his daughter had. or I'd hope not.


Is it just me but does the host of the show have down syndrome? She just seems, IMHO, a little bit slow. And she sorta looks like she's slow (droopy left eye).

Cat may not be mensa material, but she's hardly slow. anyway, Hot + British = YUM.

I don't think he would've been commenting on what hot legs his daughter had. or I'd hope not.



Cat may not be mensa material, but she's hardly slow. anyway, Hot + British = YUM.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Now I've heard everything. :rolleyes:

Anyone that doesn't think that Cat is incredibly smokin' hot is insane:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/cat_deeley_2.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/Cat-Deeley-Wallpaper-2.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/0000041820_20070801145008-1.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/cat-deeley-wallpaper.jpg



Long legs, wry and uber-sexy smile, athletic body, great hair, and on top of it all...an upbeat, down-to-Earth, non-bitchy attitude that makes for a wonderful hostess.

Slightly lazy eye that's induced by the aformentioned sultry, impish, and ravishing smile?

No complaints here.

Now I've heard everything. :rolleyes:

Anyone that doesn't think that Cat is incredibly smokin' hot is insane:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/cat_deeley_2.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/Cat-Deeley-Wallpaper-2.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/0000041820_20070801145008-1.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/cat-deeley-wallpaper.jpg





No complaints here.

Only that she's not HERE!

I like Cat, I think she is a great host. Her nose drives me crazy. If she and Owen Wilson were to ever be on screen together, well, the goofy nose gods would go ballistic.

I actually liked the Season 1 chick a little better. Pity she left.

I can't remember the season 1 chick. Who was it?

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Found it. Lauren Sanchez. Now I remember. Latina !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_S%C3%A1nchez

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm145398528/nm0761078

Now I've heard everything. :rolleyes:

Anyone that doesn't think that Cat is incredibly smokin' hot is insane:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/cat_deeley_2.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/Cat-Deeley-Wallpaper-2.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/0000041820_20070801145008-1.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/cat-deeley-wallpaper.jpg



Long legs, wry and uber-sexy smile, athletic body, great hair, and on top of it all...an upbeat, down-to-Earth, non-bitchy attitude that makes for a wonderful hostess.

Slightly lazy eye that's induced by the aformentioned sultry, impish, and ravishing smile?

No complaints here.

Those pictures must be what she looked like in her good days. Now she looks big, gawky, awkard, and she is slow. She's about as energetic as a fruit fly.

Those pictures must be what she looked like in her good days. Now she looks big, gawky, awkard, and she is slow. She's about as energetic as a fruit fly.


Them would be fightin' words to Dominic. ;)

Anyone that doesn't think that Cat is incredibly smokin' hot is insane:
. . .

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/0000041820_20070801145008-1.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0515116/)
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No complaints here.That's not Cat Deeley.

That's not Cat Deeley.
Just got caught up on this thread and yes, you are right. Look at the nose.

Those pictures must be what she looked like in her good days. Now she looks big, gawky, awkard, and she is slow. She's about as energetic as a fruit fly.

OK then, tell us...who would YOU hire as a hostess?

That's not Cat Deeley.

that's blake lively from the cw show gossip girl.

OK then, tell us...who would YOU hire as a hostess?

And remember, whoever is picked will not be allowed to grow older each year. If she does, she's out.

OK then, tell us...who would YOU hire as a hostess?

Well anyone who is the complete opposite of Cat.:D

OK then, tell us...who would YOU hire as a hostess?

And remember, whoever is picked will not be allowed to grow older each year. If she does, she's out.

Well, I have no issues with Cat's age.;)

New episode tonight !

Who goes home this week?

Is it me or does Mary look like a Whorehouse Madame tonight? WTH is she wearing!!!

Dude Nigel was rough tonight. "Mama I gotta pee pee." HAHA!

Last week had better dancing.

Is it me or does Mary look like a Whorehouse Madame tonight? WTH is she wearing!!!

She looked like Senator Vetter's wife during his "I'm sorry I went to the hookers" press conference:p
Thought that the show was OK but it seemed pretty dry by its usual standards Maybe it was the audio mix but the audience seemed subdued much of the time. That idiotic audience arm waving a la American Idol really needs to go!

Loved Joshua/Katee (which I admit I never thought I'd say about Katee) and Twitch/Kherington tonight. Also liked Will/Jessica.

Susie I think will be peaced out tomorrow night but I don't have any guesses as to which guy will go...

That idiotic audience arm waving a la American Idol really needs to go!

Agreed!

When they were showing Kherington up close, her skin looked flawless. I couldn't see a single line, blemish or anything. Wow, very pretty lady.

I also think Kherington's routine as one of the best of the night.

I think the problem this year is that ladies are not as strong in general as the ladies from last year. Of all the ladies this year only Kherington and Katee stick out when dancing. Once again the Broadway number was probably the best of the night. I thought Will and Jessica's Hip Hop routine was pretty good, but it would be have been interesting to see him paired up with a Hip Hop dancer to see how he could keep up. Kherington and Twitch were good, but I think you can start to see the limits of his skills.

The salsa routine was bad mostly due to the male dancer. The King and the Maid routine did not give the dancers a whole lot to do, and while Nigel knocked the costume he should have mentioned the lack luster choregraphy. I wish Mia would talk more and Mary would shut up.

See, I wish Mia would disapear into the void personally ;) I loathe her.

That aside, last night was fairly weak I thought. The Jazz routine was great, and the waltz was pretty good. Twitch was on it as well. The Krumping was... bleh! Here's a note to coreographers, if the music you choose has almost half the words bleeped out when broadcast, it's not exactly something I can get into. Sorry.

Susie I think will be peaced out tomorrow night but I don't have any guesses as to which guy will go...Could be Chris and his faux-krumping.