Hi Randy,
Cinema
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When I crank up the picture to 100 it is much brighter and whiter but I hate to keep it there, Watching the Charger game @100 and the whites are whiter and briter could be because the room is darker .This tv puts out a bbeauiful picture and for the money I shouldn;t be to picky but if everyone else does have alot of dullness with this set then maybe mine has a problem Thanks.
What is the CATS setting?

What is the CATS setting?
It turns CATS on/off.
To quote a blurb:
C.A.T.S. (Contrast Automatic Tracking System) – Automatically senses the ambient light conditions and adjusts the brightness and gradation accordingly. Provides the best possible picture contrast for each operating environment. This feature also helps reduce power consumption and minimize phosphor aging.

Just picked up a TH-C42FD18 for $878 CDN + tax over the weekend.

So far great panel. I love how clean SD looks and even on 480p from my older DVD player the image looks very nice.

I had an issue when playing wii on the unit though, regarding one of the inputs if anyone has any info on this?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1101311

It turns CATS on/off.
To quote a blurb:
C.A.T.S. (Contrast Automatic Tracking System) – Automatically senses the ambient light conditions and adjusts the brightness and gradation accordingly. Provides the best possible picture contrast for each operating environment. This feature also helps reduce power consumption and minimize phosphor aging.

should it be on or off and where is it found I don't see it in the the menu setting?

After setting up and watching a 42" Panasonic for my Mom last weekend, and enjoying the picture, I finally laid out the cash (less than I thought it would be) and got the Costco 42fd18.

I am not ecstatic about the picture quality. My Mom's quality seemed better. She has regular cable (Cox) and will be getting HD. I have regular Dish Network, with Dish Network HD due to be installed on Saturday. I'll reserve final judgment until then. I did watch a DVD and the picture is ok.

Believe it or not, my biggest disappointment is the remote. My Mom's remote has another row of buttons so you can control everything - DVD, Cable, etc. Maybe my Dish remote will do the trick when it gets installed.

Just picked up a TH-C42FD18 for $878 CDN + tax over the weekend.

So far great panel. I love how clean SD looks and even on 480p from my older DVD player the image looks very nice.

I had an issue when playing wii on the unit though, regarding one of the inputs if anyone has any info on this?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1101311
Not to be too nosey.. but where did you get it? At a local electronics dealer?

Thanks.

LCDs and Plasmas suck. But there is no choice. CRT is gone, and was never there for greater than 34". My 10 yr old trinitron CRT in SD is perfect, the picture is better that the Plasma, and with a small screen the resolution is close to 1080 on a 42 inch size TV, simple math.

This is one reason why I'm holding onto my Panasonic 36HX41 in the living room. It's a 36" CRT HDTV, but can only display 480p and 1080i. I think the picture on it blows away most LCDs and Plasmas that I've seen. Black and White levels are excelent, no judder, and SD programs looks pretty good. My only wish is that it had 1080p and HDMI, but no CRT HDTV every had that, since they stoped making them in '03 (I think). My neighbor was so impressed with the quality, that a year later (2002) he got the 36HL42. I think we'll both hang onto them until they break down and need replaced, but mine is 7 years old and every had any problems.

I just bought a new TH-C42FD18 to replace the five year old Panasonic CT-30WX54 (a 30-inch widescreen HD-Ready CRT TV) in my living room. I've only put about 20 hours on the TV so far, but I can already tell that it won't be going back to Costco.

My question is; which scaler do you think is better for 720p content, the one in my Tivo HD (connected to Comcast digital cable), or the one in the TV?

The Tivo can scale all 720p content up to 1080i, or pass through the 720p content unchanged so that the TV can scale it up internally.

Technical disadvantage; when the Tivo scales 720p to 1080i, the TV then has to convert 1080i to 1080p. In other words, the content goes from progressive to interlaced and back to progressive, which might introduce artifacts.

I've tried both settings and have a hard time deciding which is "better".

I just bought a new TH-C42FD18 to replace the five year old Panasonic CT-30WX54 (a 30-inch widescreen HD-Ready CRT TV) in my living room. I've only put about 20 hours on the TV so far, but I can already tell that it won't be going back to Costco.

My question is; which scaler do you think is better for 720p content, the one in my Tivo HD (connected to Comcast digital cable), or the one in the TV?

The Tivo can scale all 720p content up to 1080i, or pass through the 720p content unchanged so that the TV can scale it up internally.

Technical disadvantage; when the Tivo scales 720p to 1080i, the TV then has to convert 1080i to 1080p. In other words, the content goes from progressive to interlaced and back to progressive, which might introduce artifacts.

I've tried both settings and have a hard time deciding which is "better".

My understand is that if the HDTV is capable of 1080p, it is better to have the STB set at 1080i, not 720p. That way it only has de-interlace it to progresive. If you set the STB to 720p, it would take all the 1080i channels (since most are 1080i) and scale it down to 720p, then the TV would have to upconvert the image to 1080p.

My understand is that if the HDTV is capable of 1080p, it is better to have the STB set at 1080i, not 720p. That way it only has de-interlace it to progresive. If you set the STB to 720p, it would take all the 1080i channels (since most are 1080i) and scale it down to 720p, then the TV would have to upconvert the image to 1080p.

Thanks for reading my post. :)

The Tivo HD has the following options;

Native - passes all content to the TV in whatever format it was received in (480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i)
Hybrid - passes HD content in whatever format it was received in and converts SD content to 480p.
720p Hybrid - converts HD content to 720p and SD content to 480p
1080i Hybrid - converts HD content to 1080i and SD content to 480p
480i Fixed - converts all content to 480i
480p Fixed - converts all content to 480p
720p Fixed - converts all content to 720p
1080i Fixed - converts all content to 1080i

I'm currently trying to decide between using "Hybrid" or "1080i Hybrid".

However, I'm beginning to suspect that whatever gain in quality I might make by using the Tivo scaler (for 720p) is going to be outweighed by having the Tivo convert and interlace 720p to 1080i, only to have the the TV turn around and de-interlace 1080i to 1080p.

FWIW, I didn't have this issue before because my old TV didn't accept 720p inputs.

Thanks for reading my post. :)

The Tivo HD has the following options;

Native - passes all content to the TV in whatever format it was received in (480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i)
Hybrid - passes HD content in whatever format it was received in and converts SD content to 480p.
720p Hybrid - converts HD content to 720p and SD content to 480p
1080i Hybrid - converts HD content to 1080i and SD content to 480p
480i Fixed - converts all content to 480i
480p Fixed - converts all content to 480p
720p Fixed - converts all content to 720p
1080i Fixed - converts all content to 1080i

I'm currently trying to decide between using "Hybrid" or "1080i Hybrid".

However, I'm beginning to suspect that whatever gain in quality I might make by using the Tivo scaler (for 720p) is going to be outweighed by having the Tivo convert and interlace 720p to 1080i, only to have the the TV turn around and de-interlace 1080i to 1080p.

FWIW, I didn't have this issue before because my old TV didn't accept 720p inputs.

Almost every HD channel broadcast in 1080i. There are only a few that use 720p. Since I don't have a Tivo box, just a Comcast/Motorola DVR, its hard for me to say if Hybird or Hybird 1080i would look best. All I could suggest is try a few top-quality HD channels, like Discovery HD, and change the Tivo options every few minutes. Then go to an SD channel and try the same thing. You should try the Native setting, which will have the TV do all the upconverting on its own.

Almost every HD channel broadcast in 1080i. There are only a few that use 720p. Since I don't have a Tivo box, just a Comcast/Motorola DVR, its hard for me to say if Hybird or Hybird 1080i would look best. All I could suggest is try a few top-quality HD channels, like Discovery HD, and change the Tivo options every few minutes. Then go to an SD channel and try the same thing. You should try the Native setting, which will have the TV do all the upconverting on its own.

You bring up a very good point. Most HD channels use 1080i and will look the same in "Native", "Hybrid", "1080i Hybrid", or even "1080i Fixed" modes.
The only channels that I watch that are broadcast in 720p are ABC, FOX, and National Geographic.
If those channels look good enough to me, then I will probably stick with "1080i Hybrid" because it minimizes the amount of grey screen time I have while the TV is switching formats.

You bring up a very good point. Most HD channels use 1080i and will look the same in "Native", "Hybrid", "1080i Hybrid", or even "1080i Fixed" modes.
The only channels that I watch that are broadcast in 720p are ABC, FOX, and National Geographic.
If those channels look good enough to me, then I will probably stick with "1080i Hybrid" because it minimizes the amount of grey screen time I have while the TV is switching formats.

When using the Comcast Motorola DCH3416 DVR box conected via HDMI or Component, the box will only output everything (SD and HD) at 1080i or 720p. The Tivo box give you alot more options.

When using the Comcast Motorola DCH3416 DVR box conected via HDMI or Component, the box will only output everything (SD and HD) at 1080i or 720p. The Tivo box give you alot more options.

Quite true. One huge advantage to using a Tivo HD (or any STB that can output in multiple formats) with this amazing TV is that the TV remembers unique aspect ratio "format" adjustments for each input and format.

In "1080i Hybrid" mode, I can set the 480p SD content to be stretched to full screen in "JUST" mode while leaving the 1080i content untouched, and all without affecting my Wii at 480p on another input.

Can someone tell ee if the stand at the bottom of the 50" is adjustable? It seems to sit pretty far back compared to others I saw at Costco.

Can someone tell ee if the stand at the bottom of the 50" is adjustable? It seems to sit pretty far back compared to others I saw at Costco.

There is no adjustment.

I'm thinking of buying the 42FD18 ($849) or 46FD18 ($949) from Costco this week, but I'll have to become a member first. For people who have owned either one for a few months now, has any problems occured after a few months of normal use that wasn't there when you first started using it?

I was looking to get the 42PZ85U or 46PZ85U, but at $250-$300 less (without adding warranty), the FD18 is hard to pass up. Since people say Costco has a 90 day return policy, if any problems came up durring that time, I could just return it for an exchange, or get a refund and go with the PZ85U from another store.

Folks, I'm considering the TH-C50FD18 and just read this ENTIRE thread. Phew! Lots of info. (yay for avsforums) I have a few questions -

The internal fans and/or buzz - is it really bad? I'm an audiophile and prefer quiet operation. I've never had a plasma set before and don't know too much about living with them.

I downloaded the PDF manual, and the 15-pin input appears to accept a maximum of 1280x1024 (page 45 under "PC Input Terminals Connection"). Is this for real? I've driven my 1080p 42" Sceptre LCD via VGA at 1920x1080 without issue... no big feat.

Does the "LAST" button on the remote allow you to switch conveniently between inputs? e.g. you could go back and forth between, say, HDMI 2 and Component 1 by pressing this button? (if so, cool!)

When it sits on its pedestal, how many inches is the bottom of the actual plasma display off the table? I can't see that dimension anywhere in the manual. Hoping it's less than the 9" of my current Sceptre set. Hopefully one of you will get out your measuring tape :)

Power consumption/heat generation... did anyone ever blow a circuit with this thing? 400W-500W seems like it's at the upper end of my living room capacity. (I run active loudspeakers+sub all around too, plus XBOX360/PS3 and you're talking major power!) How much heat does it put out during the summer months? Let's say it's 100 degrees outside and you're managing to cool your living room to 74. Does this TV make things worse?

Thanks in advance -MG

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1. No, its not bad at all
2.it will do full hd over hdmi...hope your computer has one or you could use a dvi-hdmi converter to get full hd....if not, vga will be 1366x768
3. the last button is for recalling th last tv channel you were on
4. less then 3inches
5. 400-500 watts is what it will use on torch mode...with optimal setting itll be any where between 200-350 watts

3. the last button is for recalling th last tv channel you were onActually, the LAST key on the remote will take you back to the previous input you were on or the previous channel you were on. If you switch from Component 2 to HDMI 1, pressing the LAST key will take you back to Component 2. Also, if i'm watching say channel 7.1 on the TV's internal tuner then switch to HDMI or Component, pressing the LAST key will take me back to channel 7.1. It's also this way on my PZ700U and on my older PX50U, and was also this way on my old Panasonic HD Tube TV. Basically the LAST key will take you to the last channel or input you were on whatever that may be.

As for the so-called fan noise, the fans in all Panasonics are virtually silent even from one foot away. This is a non-issue.

aahhh i had no idea...i never really thought of using that button for that...thanks for the correction

The internal fans and/or buzz - is it really bad? I'm an audiophile and prefer quiet operation. I've never had a plasma set before and don't know too much about living with them.

I can honestly say this set is silent. I'm up close to it a lot configuring my media center and never hear a thing from the TV.

I downloaded the PDF manual, and the 15-pin input appears to accept a maximum of 1280x1024 (page 45 under "PC Input Terminals Connection"). Is this for real? I've driven my 1080p 42" Sceptre LCD via VGA at 1920x1080 without issue... no big feat.

I haven't used the VGA port for my HTPC being I have a video card with HDMI output, which allows 1920x1080 so does a DVI > HDMI... I honestly see no need for VGA on any device nowadays :P

Does the "LAST" button on the remote allow you to switch conveniently between inputs? e.g. you could go back and forth between, say, HDMI 2 and Component 1 by pressing this button? (if so, cool!)

Haven't tried that yet.

When it sits on its pedestal, how many inches is the bottom of the actual plasma display off the table? I can't see that dimension anywhere in the manual. Hoping it's less than the 9" of my current Sceptre set. Hopefully one of you will get out your measuring tape :)

it's 2½ inches

Power consumption/heat generation... did anyone ever blow a circuit with this thing? 400W-500W seems like it's at the upper end of my living room capacity. (I run active loudspeakers+sub all around too, plus XBOX360/PS3 and you're talking major power!) How much heat does it put out during the summer months? Let's say it's 100 degrees outside and you're managing to cool your living room to 74. Does this TV make things worse?

I was worried about the same thing esp since I have the 50'' display in my bedroom! and do not like heat... and with old BAD circuitry in a SoCal home built in the 60's with a full size Recording Studio (drum room/guitar amps), 3 Xbox's, PS3, 4 computers, AC etc etc no problem with blowing circuits... I do have it hooked upto a Trip-Lite UPS on the surge side I got from costco also ($100) I do very mild use on it... being we only use it when watching movies and have noticed no heat from the TV at all

Sucks about the VGA resolution limitation as I still use a Xbox 360 through VGA and love being able to get the native rez. I'd imagine the picture will still look fantastic scaled to 1366x768 anyway..

Thanks for all the replies... wow, 2.5" is a LOT less than I thought.

I use the VGA connector cable on my XBOX360 since it's an older model without HDMI. So - VGA is definitely in use here. (1080p selected)

I have an HTPC w/ a DVI out that I connect to the HDMI socket on my current TV.

Thanks for all the replies... wow, 2.5" is a LOT less than I thought.

I use the VGA connector cable on my XBOX360 since it's an older model without HDMI. So - VGA is definitely in use here. (1080p selected)

I have an HTPC w/ a DVI out that I connect to the HDMI socket on my current TV.

So, you're using this tv with a 360 via VGA? How does the picture look? When you select 1080p in the dash does it display properly and what does the TV report (1366x768 .. 1280x1024?). If you can, try and take a couple of images of the 360 playing a game/movie.

Thanks.

The TV I'm referring to that's displaying 1080p via VGA on XBOX360 is not the TV this thread is about... it's my old TV, a Sceptre model. If/when I get the Panasonic model I'll post some pictures.

With my current configuration, the XBOX360 has a menu that allows you to set the resolution, and everything is progressive since the menu is cable-sensitive (i.e. it knows there's a VGA cable connected, of course) I just set it to 1920x1080 and the Sceptre TV picks it up and says "1080P." Seems like the XBOX360 is putting it out. (that is not to say any games are suddently in 1080... the XBOX360 works at 1280x720 as I understand it, but can put out 1080P if the connection allows it)

While I'm here - I just went to my local Costco and saw the Panasonic FD and HD 50" models, sitting next to each other. Both showing the same material. Perfect opportunity to look for differences in picture. However - it was some lossy-compressed CNET infomercial crap concerned with the ATSC switchover next month - hooked up to both via component, grrr.... What it should have been was a blu-ray player with two HDMI outputs, connected to each set. That way you can tell the differences on uncompressed 1080p material, which is about the best test you can get. When will they learn? :rolleyes:
Elsewhere in the same store, Sony had purpose-built kiosks showing off their TVs... and the picture looked way better off the disc player.
The Panasonic TVs were also emblazoned with big stickers saying "remember - if you buy a high-def set, you need high-def service!" The stickers totally steer you towards hi-def cable as the only way you can get anything that's not standard-definition. No mention of over-the-air, videogames, or blu-ray. Oh, Costco..... :rolleyes:

There is no adjustment.

Another quick question. Will the TV spin 180 degrees so that the long part of the stand is behind it?

Another quick question. Will the TV spin 180 degrees so that the long part of the stand is behind it?No way - the design makes it impossible and this is for liability reasons (TV would tip forward much easier and could crush a child). AFAIK there is no flat panel TV with a reversible stand.

Why do you want to do this? If it's to make the TV sit flush with the front of an entertainment center or a TV cavity in the wall there are a few other ways to accomplish that if you're interested.

also the "LAST" button on the remote does go back to previous input... tested lastnight :)

Everyone who bought a 50fd18 you could be up for some money back the price is down to $1195 thru 1-31

Everyone who bought a 50fd18 you could be up for some money back the price is down to $1195 thru 1-31
That's a killer price, where did you find that? I looked online, couldn't see it, probably in store.

That's a killer price, where did you find that? I looked online, couldn't see it, probably in store.

It was in the stores here in San Diego

It was in the stores here in San Diego
Thanks, I will go check out the local store tomorrow, that will also give me a chance to see it next to the Vizio XVT series.

According to Panasonic's website, the Costco TH-C50FD18 is 47.7" wide. Can someone with this unit please confirm?

Interestingly, the TH-50PZ80U is listed at 49.0". I'm surprised that the Costco model might be 1.3" narrower...

Thanks!

According to Panasonic's website, the Costco TH-C50FD18 is 47.7" wide. Can someone with this unit please confirm?

Interestingly, the TH-50PZ80U is listed at 49.0". I'm surprised that the Costco model might be 1.3" narrower...

Thanks!

Yes, the HD/FD series is narrower, relatively the same as the PX80U series.

Hi there;
New to the forum and new to Plasma. I bought the TH-C50FD18 and I am absolutely very happy with it. I am passed the 100 hour point and am now ready to tweak my tv, however I do not understand much of the jargon here. In the panasonic calibration thread it has settings and mentions a DVE blu ray that I have downloaded and burned. Its mostly different test patterms, but I have no idea how to set up my tv with this. Do I have to enter the "service menu". Can someone please explain the process in laymens terms, and if some of the people that own this model would like to post what they have for settings would be great as well. Thanks in advance and sorry for the newbie ignorance.
Eric

Just bought the 50" at Costco. I've been going blind doing research over the past 2 weeks and the absurdly low price pushed me over the edge. I couldn't stomach any of the Samsung ToC crap and the Sony/Toshiba models didn't do it for me.

I've played with the settings along the lines of what's popular in the PZ80 thread but will reserve judgement and final tweaking until after burn-in... everybody recommends 100hrs continuous right away... right?

I have one question that is way off topic. I've programmed the COX remote for the TV. Everything works fine except the "SELECT" button on the COX remote that matches up with the "OK" button on the Panny remote will not work. When I hit the "SELECT" button, the light for the CABLE-BOX blinks indicating I'm sending a signal to the cable-box. It makes it impossible to activate anything in any of the TV menu's.

When I lived in Norfolk, I would always help my friends set-up and tune their TV's, program remotes, etc... and I've never come across this. For kicks, I programmed the remote for my bedroom Toshi and the same thing happens... the "SELECT" key only works on CABLE-BOX functions... what gives?

Costco online is offering the TH-C50FD18, TH-C42FD18, TH-50PC77U and TH-C42HD18 again.

Everyone who bought a 50fd18 you could be up for some money back the price is down to $1195 thru 1-31

same price in clt, nc as well. and they had the 50HD18 for 899 with plenty in stock. THis must be there superbowl pricing on them?

Can this TV display 24p or does it accept 24p and do a 2:3 pulldown.

Can someone confirm the price at costco (1195$ for the TH-C50FD18) on the East coast ?

I have a long ride to do.

Thanks

Can someone confirm the price at costco (1195$ for the TH-C50FD18) on the East coast ?
Yes, that is the price. Girlfriend and I were in Bridgewater, NJ Costco looking at TVs. The way the tag was worded i can't tell if it's an instant rebate or a mail in one (250 off the 1450 regular price). I'll be picking up the 50 inch today!

Thanks nonsequituridea,

I'll go tomorrow At Costco Burlington to pick up one, i hope there will be some left.

It says on price that its an instant Manufactures rebate taking at register and total paid is 1195

I am wondering what the right key sequence to get into the service menu for this TV to check hours on it. I tried the one posted for the PZ80/85 series without any luck. I was under the impression that the innards of this is similar to the PZ80 with the addition of a PC input, but there may be something more.


Thanks

I am wondering what the right key sequence to get into the service menu for this TV to check hours on it. I tried the one posted for the PZ80/85 series without any luck. I was under the impression that the innards of this is similar to the PZ80 with the addition of a PC input, but there may be something more.


Thanks
It is the same sequence,With the tv on hold down the volume down on the tv set and press the info button on the remote 3 times and wait about 5 seconds

It is the same sequence,With the tv on hold down the volume down on the tv set and press the info button on the remote 3 times and wait about 5 seconds
Thanks, I was doing everything on the remote, didn't realize that the vol - needs to be on the TV - little details :)

Can someone please get an exact measurement of the width of this set (TH-C42FD18) for me.. I mean down to 1/32 or millimetres. Thanks.

Can this TV display 24p or does it accept 24p and do a 2:3 pulldown.
I would like to know this too.

I am thinking about maybe getting the 50 inch model at Costco. I'd like to get some feedback from those of you who own this TV, do you like it, are you happy with the picture quality?

Thanks

Thanks to all for your input on this TV. I broke down yesterday and purchased it at Costco (yes for walk out price of 1449.99 - 250.00 = 1199.99). Set up was easy (had a couple of teens to do the heavy lifting.) The image looks pretty darn good already compared to my 32" Sony Wega that is 10 years old. I also get to recoup space in the living room, too, since it will sit closer to the wall than the old cabinet and TV, which is destined for the playroom and a retirement life of Wii, Playstation, RockBand, and screaming teens. Not exactly the pastoral retirement it may have been looking for!

I did a couple of weeks of research before moving on this TV. From the reviews, it appeared to be a great blend of quality image and features, plus an excellent price from Costco. BTW, in my area (Atlanta) they were sold out of the FD (1080p) version at the store closest to home. At another store they had 6 available, so a little drive was no big deal.

Be careful to get the FD model rather than the HD (720p) model. Both stores had several HD models and the boxes are identical, so check the model number.

I downloaded the ISO image for the break-in CD and burned it using (http: //isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm), but it did not work with my old DVD player - a PS2. It does "work" with the new PS3, but it was so sluggish that I ended up giving up on it. I was trying to set the interval, but didn't work as expected. Ultimately, I put the CD in my laptop and played from there and routed to TV via laptop HDMI connection.

Overall, things are looking pretty good. I've got a question that I'll ask in a separate post.

Regarding the service menu, I figured out how to access it (hold "volume -" on TV and then press INFO on the remote three times and then wait 5-8 seconds). Someone mentioned that the time used on the screen could be found there. I couldn't find it. Any pointers?

Thanks to all for your input on this TV. I broke down yesterday and purchased it at Costco (yes for walk out price of 1449.99 - 250.00 = 1199.99).
So was it an instant rebate or a mail in rebate?

Thanks

Instant.

Regarding the service menu, I figured out how to access it (hold "volume -" on TV and then press INFO on the remote three times and then wait 5-8 seconds). Someone mentioned that the time used on the screen could be found there. I couldn't find it. Any pointers?

1. Enter Service Menu (Hold Vol. - down on the TV while pressing the INFO button on the remote 3 times).
2. Press the {2} button on the remote 1 time, to go to SRV-TOOL.
3. Press the {OK} button. A blue grid will appear with the following information.
TD2Mictocode: 81c00011
Flash ROM: 1-227E
PTCT :00.00.00.00.00
4. Cursor down to the PTCT :00.00.00.00.00 line and then cursor over to the right to highlight the empty box.
5. Press and hold the {MUTE} button on the remote for 3 seconds.
The TIME / COUNT info will be displayed in Hours and Minutes of Operation.
6. To exit, press and hold the {POWER} button on the TV for 2 seconds.
The display will re-start by itself.

<<<< WARNING - WARNING - WARNING >>>>
The {VOL+} and {VOL -} buttons are used to change
values in the Service Menu. Make sure not to touch
those buttons anytime while checking the hours used.

Just went back from the states (Burlinton, Vermont) trying to get this TV at 1199$ at Costco (250$ instant rebate) but was sold out. Only the display model was available but no interest for me. I asked if they'll have more but the guy toldme that they are discontinued (don't know if it's true ??)

They have also the 50" 720P for 899$ (look like the 1080p , i almost took it).

The 42" 1080p was 849$ and 42" 720p 649 $.

Pioneer 5010 ( 2199.97 $)

Vizio 50" plasma 1199.99 $ (nice TV too)

Just went back from the states (Burlinton, Vermont) trying to get this TV at 1199$ at Costco (250$ instant rebate) but was sold out. Only the display model was available but no interest for me. I asked if they'll have more but the guy toldme that they are discontinued (don't know if it's true ??)
Better not be true.. or else my plans for 2 months from now will be ruined.

is TH-C50FD18 120mhz? Also is this a better buy than the vizio505xvt?

Just went back from the states (Burlinton, Vermont) trying to get this TV at 1199$ at Costco (250$ instant rebate) but was sold out. Only the display model was available but no interest for me. I asked if they'll have more but the guy toldme that they are discontinued (don't know if it's true ??)

I think it's probably true. I was just out at CES and Panasonic introduced the new line of Plasmas. They claim the current line will be replaced in the retail channel with the newer ones by the end of January. (54" wireless HDMI avail in June).

Prices will remain the same with all models getting a refresh. The major changes are 40,000:1 native contrast on all panels except the 720p (30,000). Internet connections on all with Amazon movies on demand via the TV. The SD slot will also support video on all models too. And, sub-field drive increases from 480 to 600hz.

I think it's probably true. I was just out at CES and Panasonic introduced the new line of Plasmas. They claim the current line will be replaced in the retail channel with the newer ones by the end of January. (54" wireless HDMI avail in June).

Prices will remain the same with all models getting a refresh. The major changes are 40,000:1 native contrast on all panels except the 720p (30,000). Internet connections on all with Amazon movies on demand via the TV. The SD slot will also support video on all models too. And, sub-field drive increases from 480 to 600hz.

You must be speaking of the G10 series...
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-10137077-100.html?tag=blogFeed

Check out the video here:
http://ces.cnet.com/

i just bought the TH-C50FD18 from costco. Will probably return for the new models coming out in January.

i just bought the TH-C50FD18 from costco. Will probably return for the new models coming out in January.Well the new models will not be out in January - the soonest they'll hit store shelves will be the end of March on the lower models. And Costco probably won't start getting them till well after CC and BB start selling them. So your evil plan of abusing the Costco return policy is already foiled :D

any idea on the starting price on the new models?

I don't really need a TV yet, but debating taking this costco deal or finding a deal on one of the other px or pz models. Of course if I knew the new models would have a 1500ish price range I may would hold out for them, I can wait till March or April or early summer even, but by then the inventory on the current Panasonic plasma's will likely be gone.

Just went back from the states (Burlinton, Vermont) trying to get this TV at 1199$ at Costco (250$ instant rebate) but was sold out. Only the display model was available but no interest for me. I asked if they'll have more but the guy toldme that they are discontinued (don't know if it's true ??)

They have also the 50" 720P for 899$ (look like the 1080p , i almost took it).

The 42" 1080p was 849$ and 42" 720p 649 $.

Pioneer 5010 ( 2199.97 $)

Vizio 50" plasma 1199.99 $ (nice TV too)

This deal hasn't reached MT Costco yet. Still at full $1449. Hope they drop before the Superbowl!

I stopped by my local AZ Costco yesterday, and they dropped the price by $250.
Got it back in cash.
Funny thing.
They said since it's an instant rebate and not a "price drop," I can't get the tax on the $250 back.

I stopped by my local AZ Costco yesterday, and they dropped the price by $250.
Got it back in cash.
Funny thing.
They said since it's an instant rebate and not a "price drop," I can't get the tax on the $250 back.

Which model are you talking about?

Did they drop $250 off the TH-C42FD18 (the 1080p model)?

Thanks,
Scott

Which model are you talking about?

Did they drop $250 off the TH-C42FD18 (the 1080p model)?

Thanks,
Scott

It was the 50", right now on the Costco website there are no Panasonic Plasma available.

Which model are you talking about?

Did they drop $250 off the TH-C42FD18 (the 1080p model)?

Thanks,
Scott
It was the THC50FD18.

It was the THC50FD18.

Did you happen to catch the price on the TH-C42FD18? I got mine for $100 off in Nov, which brought it to $799. If it has dropped below that I'ld like to know.

Thanks,
Scott

I think it's probably true. I was just out at CES and Panasonic introduced the new line of Plasmas. They claim the current line will be replaced in the retail channel with the newer ones by the end of January. (54" wireless HDMI avail in June).

Prices will remain the same with all models getting a refresh. The major changes are 40,000:1 native contrast on all panels except the 720p (30,000). Internet connections on all with Amazon movies on demand via the TV. The SD slot will also support video on all models too. And, sub-field drive increases from 480 to 600hz.

Since you had the opportunity to see these new sets, what are your impressions about them? I'm seriously thinking about buying a C50FD18 at Costco in the next few days and am wondering now if it would be worth to wait a little while...

The few specs of the new tvs that I actually care about would be:
- the improved contrast ratio (from 20,000:1 to 40,000:1)
- the "infinite black" could be interesting, provided it is actually visible (is this a new feature or is it in C50FD18?);
- the lowered power consumption.

I can't care less about having a tv able to deal with internet (this is personal), and, as I understand it, having THX certification does not imply that a TV not having the certification has worse picture quality; it simply means that the certified TV should have a good picture quality and that the manufacturer paid for royalties / branding to THX. Nothing there that proves that the non-certified tv cannot be setup to produce a picture of similar quality.

If the next Costco model has these features, I'm wondering if they will actually be cheaper than the current one because of these added features... and I would need to wait several months before seeing all this - I believe the C50FD18 was introduced in canadian Costco stores last summer, so this could mean waiting about 6 months for me.

Anyhow, all thoughts and comments are welcomed to feed my thoughts about my buying decision!

Same as boum for me but they rise the price by 100$ at Costco Canada , it's now 1849 $ since in the states they drop by 250$.

I was on the way to pick it up but that stop me and now i'm in the same position of boum.

Do i have to wait for new models....

Did the rebate expire in store? I know that the price you mention is what there is presently on the web site, but last time I was in the store it was 200$ cheaper than that (given a limited time 100$ rebate).

I hope I did not miss the 100$ rebate...

1849 $cad is the new price in store . i was there to buy it but turned back when i see the price.

I was in the local costco last night they had 3 plus the display.. i just think it might be to small for my living roomthe viewing distance is 14' so i am wanting a 58" but its alot more......

Did the rebate expire in store? I know that the price you mention is what there is presently on the web site, but last time I was in the store it was 200$ cheaper than that (given a limited time 100$ rebate).

I hope I did not miss the 100$ rebate...

If you're talking about the 42" 1080p model (TH-C42FD18), back in Nov they had an instant rebate for $100, which I couldn't resist. Basically $799.99 + tax. I considered this too good to pass up. IMHO this was a great bargain. I have no regrets considering this price. I just wish the sound on this TV was better.

For a while in Dec the rebate went away entirely and the TH-C42FD18 was selling in-store for the "regular" price of $899.99:
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11292507

Currently, they're running another in-store rebate for $50 ($849.99).

FYI, this was my local Costco in San Jose, CA.

Regards,
Scott

I just bought the TH-C42FD18 at Costco for $849.99 yesterday. I have a few questions since I am new to the Plasma world of TV's.

1. What is the breakin period you guys are talking about. Can you elaborate and give me more detail to what I should do to get the best out of this TV

2. I have been fooling around with the color controls and other controls as well and I would like to know the best custom setting for especially watching DVD's. I see a little redness in people's faces and I know I can get a better picture and I would appreciate if someone can post a very good custom setting for this set.

Thanks for all of you input.

I just bought the TH-C42FD18 at Costco for $849.99 yesterday. I have a few questions since I am new to the Plasma world of TV's.

1. What is the breakin period you guys are talking about. Can you elaborate and give me more detail to what I should do to get the best out of this TV

2. I have been fooling around with the color controls and other controls as well and I would like to know the best custom setting for especially watching DVD's. I see a little redness in people's faces and I know I can get a better picture and I would appreciate if someone can post a very good custom setting for this set.

Thanks for all of you input.

Congrats! I love mine!!!

See here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14472276#post14472276

I just bought the TH-C42FD18 at Costco for $849.99 yesterday. I have a few questions since I am new to the Plasma world of TV's.

1. What is the breakin period you guys are talking about. Can you elaborate and give me more detail to what I should do to get the best out of this TVTraditionally the break-in period is 100 to 200 hours, but for the past few years now break-in isn't really necessary on the Panasonics although you should get into the habit of filling the screen as much as possible and trying to avoid static images or logos or tickers as much as possible - especially for the first few hundred hours. Actively use your Aspect key for the life of the TV :)

If you want more info, look at the Master Break-In thread stickied at the top of the forum as it contains everything you need to know on the topic.



2. I have been fooling around with the color controls and other controls as well and I would like to know the best custom setting for especially watching DVD's. I see a little redness in people's faces and I know I can get a better picture and I would appreciate if someone can post a very good custom setting for this set.Several people have posted their settings in the big PZ80U/PZ85U Calibration thread and since your TV is the same model, it all pertains to your model as well.

Other peoples' use menu settings won't automatically look good on your particular TV due to too much variance in baseline factory calibration values, environment, content, and personal preferences. You can use other peoples' settings to get a good idea on where to start, or to find out that it's better to set the Bright Level setting to Bright, the Picture setting on the higher side, and the Brightness levels on the lower side etc. And pretty much everybody turns off the other gimmicky settings like CATS, VNR, Color Management, etc.

Traditionally the break-in period is 100 to 200 hours, but for the past few years now break-in isn't really necessary on the Panasonics although you should get into the habit of filling the screen as much as possible and trying to avoid static images or logos or tickers as much as possible - especially for the first few hundred hours. Actively use your Aspect key for the life of the TV :)

If you want more info, look at the Master Break-In thread stickied at the top of the forum as it contains everything you need to know on the topic.



Several people have posted their settings in the big PZ80U/PZ85U Calibration thread and since your TV is the same model, it all pertains to your model as well.

Other peoples' use menu settings won't automatically look good on your particular TV due to too much variance in baseline factory calibration values, environment, content, and personal preferences. You can use other peoples' settings to get a good idea on where to start, or to find out that it's better to set the Bright Level setting to Bright, the Picture setting on the higher side, and the Brightness levels on the lower side etc. And pretty much everybody turns off the other gimmicky settings like CATS, VNR, Color Management, etc.

Thank you for your input Randy.

Congrats! I love mine!!!

See here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14472276#post14472276

Thank you for your input scottndsky.

Did the rebate expire in store? I know that the price you mention is what there is presently on the web site, but last time I was in the store it was 200$ cheaper than that (given a limited time 100$ rebate).

I hope I did not miss the 100$ rebate...

It was still in place yesterday, but not all models were available in all Costos. I had to visit the next closest city to find one for mom when she decided it was time to buy.

It looks like the rebate is definitely expired, at least in Quebec. I checked out a few stores and they all sell it for 1850$ CAN. It's only 200$ more than a few weeks ago, but somehow it feels a bit wrong to me to pay 200$ more for the same set.

While I was there hoping to find the 50FD18, I noticed a small batch of Pioneer 5016HD, which I never saw before, and they were slightly less than a grand. I decided to try one out. Returned to the store today. Wasn't a bad set at all, but the blacks were not that great and there was some color banding in general (you could see the steps in color gradients, especially in darker tones). I also realized that these units are old ones, manufactures in late 2006, so probably the plasma display technology improved since then...

This was the first time I got to see a plasma in a semi-decent viewing room. It made me wonder if this is the pet peeve of plasma displays in general? Looking a bit closer to this at the store, I could see this problem on cheaper plasma models, but not really on the Panasonics. It's really hard to be sure of anything on the store floor however.

It's painful to be back with my tiny, ond and now uglier than ever 27" CRT after spending a few days looking at a 50" screen :( I have to say that despite the old Pioneer's limitations, viewing a BluRay movie on it with a decent sound system makes for one of the best movie experience I have had so far.

Limited time offer now from Costco website: 46PZ800u, 50PZ800u and TH-C42FD18

Limited time offer now from Costco website: 46PZ800u, 50PZ800u and TH-C42FD18I don't think that 46 incher is a PZ800U . . ..

Costco lists that unit with 30K CR and 4 speakers.

I don't think that 46 incher is a PZ800U . . ..

Costco lists that unit with 30K CR and 4 speakers.They have listed incorrect specs on various Panasonic models several times over the past three years. The picture is of a CF46FD18, they don't list the THX certification, and the information doesn't list is as a PZ800U like they do on the 50" version. They've also used the wrong picture on some of their Panasonic models but i wouldn't just automatically assume it's really a 46PZ800U going by their website without someone actually verifying it.

They have listed incorrect specs on various Panasonic models several times over the past three years. The picture is of a CF46FD18, they don't list the THX certification, and the information doesn't list is as a PZ800U like they do on the 50" version. They've also used the wrong picture on some of their Panasonic models but i wouldn't just automatically assume it's really a 46PZ800U going by their website without someone actually verifying it.

You may be right Randy, the site shows the 50PZ800u and it don't list the THX certification either. But it does show the model number as TH-50PZ800u in their Product Details.

The website price for the 46" is $350 more than what they've been in-store since November... and that's with an advertised $300 off. Makes me wonder if it really is an FD18...

Yes I measured a few other plasma TVs in Best Buy just as a reference and on average they appeared to be about 100 watts less.

I did not write down the models because I was shopping for the Panasonic because of the good reviews (and affordability).

IMHO - the Panasonics are Hummers

... while the Panasonic plasmas are great from a price/performance perspective and they do their job well (just like a Hummer does) there is a drawback

Imagine 500,000 Panasonic Plasma TV each using an extra 100 watts on average - this is 50 megawatts of power each and every hour in the US.

Note - three LCD displays that I tested (same screen size) on average used 200 to 250 watts per hour

I just wanted to speak up and say that I have a very hard time believing you went to best buy and were allowed to unplug tvs, plug the wattage reader in, plug them back in, and then adjust pictures settings. At any best buy i've been to, the majority of TVs are mounted up to 5 rows high on the wall and the plugs (and most remotes) are not accessible.

I also have a very hard time believing that you magically were able to match the 573 w maximum rating noted on Panasonics website for the 42" model. You would have had to match the exact volume and picture settings used in Panasonics metering tests.

That being said, yes, Plasma does consume more power. It's good you use energy efficient light bulbs. Replacing every bulb in your home can offset this TV so you don't have any increase in your power bill. In fact, if you change all the bulbs, you could end up with a lower power bill even with the addition of the TV to your grid.

You may be right Randy, the site shows the 50PZ800u and it don't list the THX certification either. But it does show the model number as TH-50PZ800u in their Product Details.Yzzub emailed them and they said that it is indeed a TH-46PZ800U !

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15626661&posted=1#post15626661

After another round of reading the AVS forums, I remain more undecided on which tv to pick than ever. There are two questions that I would like to ask on this thread that could help be narrow down the choices a bit; I am considering mainly the Panasonic TH-C50FD18 and TH-C50HD18 for the time being.

1) Do any of these models display color banding? I noticed this on the Pioneer 5016HD; it was more apparent in darker color gradients, but it could also be seen in brighter color gradients.

2) Between the HD and the FD, it seems like there are two main differences: improved contrast on the FD, and 720P vs 1080P resolution. Am I missing another difference? If someone doesn't mind the 720P resolution, is the improved contrast worth a 50% price premium for the FD? This is approximately the price difference in my area.

After another round of reading the AVS forums, I remain more undecided on which tv to pick than ever. There are two questions that I would like to ask on this thread that could help be narrow down the choices a bit; I am considering mainly the Panasonic TH-C50FD18 and TH-C50HD18 for the time being.

1) Do any of these models display color banding? I noticed this on the Pioneer 5016HD; it was more apparent in darker color gradients, but it could also be seen in brighter color gradients.

2) Between the HD and the FD, it seems like there are two main differences: improved contrast on the FD, and 720P vs 1080P resolution. Am I missing another difference? If someone doesn't mind the 720P resolution, is the improved contrast worth a 50% price premium for the FD? This is approximately the price difference in my area.

An important point for me when I make technology decisions is to keep in mind how long the item will last for me. In other words, in how many years will I have to replace this? means making an educated guess at what will be happen in the market. In my opinion (phrase which English teachers always want removed!), 720p is a "declining" technology whereas 1080p is the "sustaining" technology. The 1080p has only recently moved from the "future" technology category and will grow and live for 10-15 years in the consumer market.

There will certainly be other technologies coming out, but there is a certain level of momentum and market adoption that HD has reached and 1080p is the incremental step over 720p with sufficient consumer attention and awareness to succeed.

After that "analysis", (I so prefer the UK comma/quote usage!) I purchased the FD version (1080p) about two weeks ago. I'm almost through the break-in period, but even with the parameters turned down the picture has been awesome! The Australian Open has been hugely enhanced this year!

Good luck!

I'm in The market also & the question I ask about the 720p/1080p debate is will that 1080p T.V. still be functioning by the time 1080p is fully implemented. Has any of these Flat panels come close to lasting 5,7,or 10yrs without needing a repair that will be more than the T.V. is worth. At this point I have my doubts whether a flat panel T.V. will last 10yrs.

For what I have read on various sources (including Consumer Reports), I tend to believe that these flat panels are quite reliable. I think they can last probably more than 10 years. The question I am currently asking myself is: will I still want that TV in 5 or 10 years? The current panels are great but not without room for improvements.

If I was pretty sure that I would keep the tv 10 years, I think I would go out, spent the extra 1000$ (here) and get the Pioneer 5020FD, as it is reported to have better blacks and contrast.

But I still find that this is quite a big amount on money for a tv, and maybe even the Pioneer will look not very good compared to the displays available in five years. So sometimes I think that I would be better to see my next tv as something I will like but will likely resell in 5 years for something else. Not that I am usually doing this; at 33 this will be the first time I grant myself a new tv!

While I am debating this, I would still like to know, for those of you who have a 50HD18 or 50FD18, if any of you noticed some color bandings. This seems to be a problem for at least some plasmas.

And if any of you had the chance to compare both, would you think that for 720P sources the 50FD18 is worth the extra dough over the 50HD18 ?

To daveKennedy: thanks for making me think a bit more about these aspects, congrats for your purchase and I hope you are happy with your choice!

Keep in mind that's all speculation until we actually see them last 10 years. The tech is still relatively new to the consumer market. If I knew they were as reliable as CRT's then it would be a no-brainer. I would go future-proof & get a 1080p.

Costco website Limited Time Offer: 42, 46, 50FD18 and 42HD18

Costco website Limited Time Offer: 42, 46, 50FD18 and 42HD18
What is it?

I have another question about the TH-C42FD18. What is the best way to clean the screen from kids fingerprints? Whoever has this model I would like to know what you have been using? Thanks in advance.

I have another question about the TH-C42FD18. What is the best way to clean the screen from kids fingerprints?

Whoever has this model I would like to know what you have been using?Threats of no Christmas presents if they touch that TV one more time? :D

Panasonic basically says to use a drop of mild liquid soap in a bowl of distilled water, and a very soft cloth and gentle wiping so i'd go with that and nothing else.

Threats of no Christmas presents if they touch that TV one more time? :D

Panasonic basically says to use a drop of mild liquid soap in a bowl of distilled water, and a very soft cloth and gentle wiping so i'd go with that and nothing else.
Randy, are you happy with your Panasonic?

Thanks

While I am debating this, I would still like to know, for those of you who have a 50HD18 or 50FD18, if any of you noticed some color bandings. This seems to be a problem for at least some plasmas.

And if any of you had the chance to compare both, would you think that for 720P sources the 50FD18 is worth the extra dough over the 50HD18 ?

I just picked up the 42HD. With a pristine 1080p source (Ratatouille Blu-ray via HDMI), I could not tell the difference between the 1080p or 720p models once I got to 5 ft. The extra resolution on the 1080p model helped from about 3.5-5ft. Under 3.5 ft, the pixels were evident to about the same degree as the 720p model from 3.5-5 ft.

I see no banding; colors, processing, etc all looked the same to me when I reset the settings to the "standard" default on both. If you're viewing from closer than 5 ft, get the 1080p model, otherwise, I'd save a couple hundred and get the 720p.

Lower quality sources such as SD or OTA 1080i/720p will yield smaller differences between the FD and HD models.

I also have a 50" Panasonic professional monitor (9UK) in the living room which is 1366x768. I hit the same limits on that as the 42HD, about 5 ft, which seems a little strange considering it's a larger monitor. Maybe the slightly greater resolution is the weighing factor.

I have another question about the TH-C42FD18. What is the best way to clean the screen from kids fingerprints? Whoever has this model I would like to know what you have been using? Thanks in advance.

What I like is a piece of a natural chamois. A fresh new supple piece, not that rough stiff one, you've been using on your car.

Light rubbing will remove smudges without any cleaners at all.

I just picked up the 42HD. With a pristine 1080p source (Ratatouille Blu-ray via HDMI), I could not tell the difference between the 1080p or 720p models once I got to 5 ft. The extra resolution on the 1080p model helped from about 3.5-5ft. Under 3.5 ft, the pixels were evident to about the same degree as the 720p model from 3.5-5 ft.

I see no banding; colors, processing, etc all looked the same to me when I reset the settings to the "standard" default on both. If you're viewing from closer than 5 ft, get the 1080p model, otherwise, I'd save a couple hundred and get the 720p.

Lower quality sources such as SD or OTA 1080i/720p will yield smaller differences between the FD and HD models.

I also have a 50" Panasonic professional monitor (9UK) in the living room which is 1366x768. I hit the same limits on that as the 42HD, about 5 ft, which seems a little strange considering it's a larger monitor. Maybe the slightly greater resolution is the weighing factor.

Thank you for taking the time to report this. I am pretty sure that at the distance I'm going to put the TV the extra resolution of the FD18 will be imperceptible.

Did you compare both units at the store? How were the general lighting conditions when you got to compare the tvs?

I had the impression that the difference in the contrast ratio between the HD18 and FD18 would be subtly visible, maybe in darker scenes, but that simply an assumption based on the paper numbers.

Did you compare both units at the store? How were the general lighting conditions when you got to compare the tvs? Yes, I used a laptop. Lighting was the typical Costco 20ft, high wattage fluorescent bulbs - nothing to seriously alter the displays output considering their relativity.

I had the impression that the difference in the contrast ratio between the HD18 and FD18 would be subtly visible, maybe in darker scenes, but that simply an assumption based on the paper numbers. Maybe if you had a meter or spent time calibrating, but I couldn't see any difference after I zeroed their settings. I'm no expert, but I spent 90 minutes with the 2 sets side by side. Regardless, the white papers list their contrast at 15,000 and 20,000 - which isn't exactly monumental.

42" sure is big in the bedroom.......maybe I need time to adjust.....

Yes, I used a laptop. Lighting was the typical Costco 20ft, high wattage fluorescent bulbs - nothing to seriously alter the displays output considering their relativity.

Interesting, so you connected a laptop to both screens... what dis you display on them?

This seems much better than at my local Costcos which have vey high-intensity lighting. The first time I got to fiddle around with the tv settings, dropping down the picture and brightness levels to more realistic values and switching to Cinema... well I tried this on several plasmas and they honestly all looked pretty flat and uninteresting. When I brought one home, it was night and day.

Maybe if you had a meter or spent time calibrating, but I couldn't see any difference after I zeroed their settings. I'm no expert, but I spent 90 minutes with the 2 sets side by side. Regardless, the white papers list their contrast at 15,000 and 20,000 - which isn't exactly monumental.

42" sure is big in the bedroom.......maybe I need time to adjust.....

I think I'm going to do the same and try to judge for myself. I'll pick a different store as the last one was using a lousy Samsung demo DVD playing in loop. If they could play a Blu Ray, I could possibly also judge myself the increased details and how much they could matter to me.

well, well, well... I had a slight bias towards the 50FD18 because I have seen two independent reviews where it scored highly... I must admit that my bias switched depending which thread I read. Everyone is so convincing about why this is better than that, why the next Panasonics will be SOO much better... even why you take care to focus on the facts, it seems that in the end you get contaminated :)

Time to go to the store again!

I transferred my ripped copy of Ratatouille to the laptop's HDD and used a DVI splitter. The Costco I went to had most of the 40-46 inch models of various TVs down low at eye level sitting on the tabletop mounts, so it was perfect. They had the 1080 and 720 models right next to each other as well. Another Costco in town (we have 3 :)) had the plasmas all up high on wall mounts rendering their ports inaccessible plus they had the 1080 model hooked up to a PS3 on a different aisle than the 720 model was on. :confused: You never know what kind of setup you'll see in the various stores...

My main concern was the resolution difference. They share just about everything else, including the video processor - at least the 42" models do.

It looks like the rebate is definitely expired, at least in Quebec. I checked out a few stores and they all sell it for 1850$ CAN. It's only 200$ more than a few weeks ago, but somehow it feels a bit wrong to me to pay 200$ more for the same set.


I purchased the 50" FD18 2 weeks ago at my local Costco at the regular price stated above, knowing full well that a rebate of some kind would come up in the future. Their canadian website lowered the price $50 and the price now in store here is $20 lower than that. And that's just the regular price. I also learned that as long as they still have the product on their floor and I am in the 90 day return period, I can bring in my receipt and be refunded the difference of any lower pricing that comes up.

btw...I'm very happy with this TV.

50" and 42" are not available in my Costco anymore :(

Hi all. I just purchased the TH-C42HD18 from Costco a few days ago. I'm seeing an issue with this TV that will probably have me returning it for something else, but thought I'd ask here first.

I watch exclusively over-the-air HDTV. When I watch a station broadcasting at 1080i, the picture is just fantastic. But a station broadcasting at 720p looks much worse. I have been told this TV will ALWAYS up-scale to 1080, then down-scale to its native resolution (768), and that is what causes the loss of clarity. I simply can't believe Panasonic would build a TV like this. I also have a 4-year-old 37" Philips LCD that doesn't have this problem - 1080i/720p broadcasts both produce the same image - crystal clear.

Am I missing something here? Is there a setting for this TV that allows me to over-ride the double-scaling?

Really disappointing.

Thanks

Hi all. I just purchased the TH-C42HD18 from Costco a few days ago. I'm seeing an issue with this TV that will probably have me returning it for something else, but thought I'd ask here first.

I watch exclusively over-the-air HDTV. When I watch a station broadcasting at 1080i, the picture is just fantastic. But a station broadcasting at 720p looks much worse. I have been told this TV will ALWAYS up-scale to 1080, then down-scale to its native resolution (768), and that is what causes the loss of clarity. I simply can't believe Panasonic would build a TV like this. I also have a 4-year-old 37" Philips LCD that doesn't have this problem - 1080i/720p broadcasts both produce the same image - crystal clear.

Am I missing something here? Is there a setting for this TV that allows me to over-ride the double-scaling?

Really disappointing.

Thanks

The model you have TH-C42HD18 is a 720p HDTV with Resolution 1366 x 768

Actually, Panasonic says the native resolution is 1024X768.

Regardless, a 720p source does not look very good on this set. On others, like my Philips (1366X768) a 720p source looks fantastic. What am I missing here? The Panasonic cannot scale a 720p signal properly? I can't believe that.

From another forum:

"panasonic told a forum member that they put the same chip in most of their tvs to keep the cost down! so a 720/768 tv will have a 1080 chip in it so will need to be upscaled first then down scaled"

I gather this would lead to the sub-par picture quality I see using a 720p source. Does anyone else see this happening with their Panasonic plasma?

I just picked up a 42HD18 at Costco in the last couple of days and I'm a little confused about the tuner in it. Okay, a lot confused.

Our building in St Petersburg has Brighthouse basic cable, no cable box. They carry 24 unscrambled digital signals on channels 603 to 632. The Panasonic only picks up 9. A Samsung LCD I have in another room picks up 22. The numbering scheme is radically different. For example, channel 608 comes into the Panasonic as 91-6 and on the Samsung as 91-2608. Some of the channels come in on the Samsung as things like 107-20949. In one case, they both pick up channel 613 as 613-1.

I can see calling Costco, Brighthouse, Samsung and Panasonic to try to understand this, but I thought someone might point me in the right direction to get educated about this before I zero in on why the Panasonic only gets 9 stations.

elorimer, did you do a scan for digital cable channels, see page 15 of Operating Instructions.

elorimer, did you do a scan for digital cable channels, see page 15 of Operating Instructions.

Yes, exactly. The result is:

Panasonic
28-1
29-1
613-1
91-1
91-3
91-4
91-6
108-8

Plus a number of other channels that on inspection are either scrambled or report "no content".

For the Samsung:
16-2
16-3
16-4
38-1
38-2
91-2603
91-2604
91-2605
91-2607
91-2608
99
107-20620
107-20949
108-20615
111-2003
111-2004
613-1
624-1
629-1
631-1
632-1

Plus a number of scrambled channels. Kinda funny, too, in that you can only tune directly five digits, so some of these can be reached only by surfing.

I have some questions, I hope it doesn't violate forum etiquette for a n00b to ask questions.

I just got a THC46FD18 at a Best Buy in Canada. I took it home; the picture from an Xbox 360 game via component looks great. The picture from an upconverting DVD player looks via HDMI looks good too.

My problem is my cable box (a Motorola cable box from Cogeco Cable). At the same settings at which my DVD player and 360 look good, white/yellow areas of the image are too bright. It's like Conan O'Brian, when I look at his pale head, it's like a spotlight. I've turned down the black level in the settings, and this helped a bit.

So my questions:
1. What is the setting that I use to get those white/yellow areas down to a normal value? Brightness adjustment only partly helps, and then the rest of my screen looks too dark.
2. Do the "Custom" settings save individually for each input? I'm fine with the way my DVD's colors are displayed, and fine with my Xbox's display as well.
3. What's the best choice for this TV for output from my cable box? 1080i or 720p?
4. Will this overbrightness in yellow and white fade after a "burn in" period?

Sorry for all the questions.

I have a question about the sound quality on my Panasonic TH-C42FD18. It is only hooked up to an antenna for OTA programs and an old DVD player. Every once in a while there is a strange echo/distortion in the audio, a lower volume sort of "grinding" low frequency noise that trails the dialog by a faction of a second. It occurs randomly and doesn't seem to last long. I've noticed it mostly on OTA, but just experienced it with the DVD player also. I've got two other TV's connected to the same antenna, and have never noticed this on either of them. Has anyone else experienced this, or have any idea if this is a defect in the set, or something else?

Yes I've heard this as well. Doesn't happen very often. Seems to be linked with certain types of sounds only (like some male voices). I wonder if it's a flaw in the surround-sound system? I turned this feature off to see if it clears up.

I get an echo if I run both tv speakers and stereo receiver when on DVD player. So i just turn off one or the other.

Also I cannot get sound when running audio inputs , have to use HDMI. I cannot use my VCR, which only has a composite video or s-video and a two channel audio output. I get the picture fine through the s-video but no sound through audio input. What is weird if I run my DVD player with HDMI and the VCR at the same time, if I switch the audio setup during HDMI playback to analog audio I can hear the VCR playing even though I am watching DVD. Video 1 does not have audio setup. There is some wiring problems within this TV. I will probably call warranty service to come out it it is free. If not I guess I never play the VCR again.

I have a question about the sound quality on my Panasonic TH-C42FD18. It is only hooked up to an antenna for OTA programs and an old DVD player. Every once in a while there is a strange echo/distortion in the audio, a lower volume sort of "grinding" low frequency noise that trails the dialog by a faction of a second. It occurs randomly and doesn't seem to last long. I've noticed it mostly on OTA, but just experienced it with the DVD player also. I've got two other TV's connected to the same antenna, and have never noticed this on either of them. Has anyone else experienced this, or have any idea if this is a defect in the set, or something else?

I have the THC50FD18 and I too have noticed this problem once in a while, usually with lower frquency sounds. I have since hooked up my system to a home theatre and no longer have to put up with it. I think it is in the surround sound circuitry of the tv, as it didnt appear to happen when I deselected that option. I was very random when it happened and did not last long.

Oh no... Last night I was watching my TH-C42FD18 and it suddenly powered itself off. Within a second it powered itself back on again, and picked up right where it left off. Very strange. Anybody seen this happen? I wonder if I am looking at an impending power supply failure.:confused:

[QUOTE=PeterZeroOne;15912519]I have some questions, I hope it doesn't violate forum etiquette for a n00b to ask questions.



So my questions:
1. What is the setting that I use to get those white/yellow areas down to a normal value? Brightness adjustment only partly helps, and then the rest of my screen looks too dark.
2. Do the "Custom" settings save individually for each input?

Hey PZO.
Good luck with your new P/46.
Some where on this fourm there is a post on settings for our tv's
It is a link, searchfor the post in this forum. I used the suggested settings and only very slightly tweeked the to my satisfaction. I am pleased with them and have not changed them since.
Each input [i.e. HDMI 1, HDMI2 etc] will retain the settings you select for all parameters.

Just remembered the site address: Tweaktv.com (http://tweaktv.com)
Use the Pany PZ model since our model is not listed.
Below are the settings, but you can check the site yourself as well.

User Menu Settings
Picture Modes
◦Picture Mode : Standard
◦Color Temperature : Warm
◦Aspect Ratio : Full
Picture Settings
◦Picture (Contrast) : 15
◦Brightness : +3
◦Color : 0
◦Tint : -2
◦Sharpness : 0
Other Adjustments
◦Black Level : Light
◦2:3 Pull Down : On
◦Color Management : Off

I just bought a THC46FD18 for my father, but its having an issue. I have a 50" 720p Panasonic that is a couple years old and have never seen this problem.

When watching an HDTV channel, then turning to a SD channel, the colour is completely messed up (the blue cable menu is pinkish). Turning the TV off, then back on will return the colour to normal on the SD channel.

Any ideas?

I just bought a THC46FD18 for my father, but its having an issue. I have a 50" 720p Panasonic that is a couple years old and have never seen this problem.

When watching an HDTV channel, then turning to a SD channel, the colour is completely messed up (the blue cable menu is pinkish). Turning the TV off, then back on will return the colour to normal on the SD channel.If you're using an HDMI cable to connect the HD Cable Box to the TV then it's probably an issue introduced by the Cable Box. I've had a few pink screen issues with my Panasonic PZ700U and the same exact issues with my Toshiba LCD TV and the common denominator is Cable Box and HDMI. It's never happened when i was using the Component connection.

If it's happening a lot on your pop's FD18, try using Component for a while and see if it happens again.

If you're using an HDMI cable to connect the HD Cable Box to the TV then it's probably an issue introduced by the Cable Box. I've had a few pink screen issues with my Panasonic PZ700U and the same exact issues with my Toshiba LCD TV and the common denominator is Cable Box and HDMI. It's never happened when i was using the Component connection.

If it's happening a lot on your pop's FD18, try using Component for a while and see if it happens again.


Thanks Randy. My initial thought was the cable box as well, and now that I think about it, he had the tech from the provider do something to the box when he bought his first Toshiba CRT HDTV. However, if I leave the box on, and only turn the TV on and off the problem resolves itself- you don't need to reset the cable box. I'm pretty convinced that it's an HDMI issue, so I'll try and run it on component for a while and dig into the cable box to see if I have any luck.

Thanks for the advice, any other thoughts would be appreciated!

I did some more troubleshooting, it appears that this is definitely an HDMI issue. The set operates normally with component cables. It also seems that it's not an issue with the TV inputs, as all 3 are exhibiting the same problem. However, it's possible that all three are hooped.

I tried a power-off reset to both the cable box and tv in an attempt to reestablish the "HDMI Handshake," but had no luck. I actually found a new problem after doing this. For the first time after changing to a SD channel (it went pink), I turned back to an HD channel and everything was washed out in orange- go figure.

This DVI to HDMI cable is a few years old. Is it possible that the television isn't compatible with HDMI 1.0? Thinking of borrowing or picking up another cable to give it a shot, and take it back if it doesn't work. I had to upgrade a cable I had for my Playstation 3 because I was getting flickering issues, I'm not sure if these problems could be a cabling issue, but I'm running out of ideas.

Anyone have any other ideas? I'm about to call and sit on hold with Panasonic...

Anyone have any other ideas? I'm about to call and sit on hold with Panasonic...

Have you try a new HDMI cable yet?

First off I love this panel I went through 2 LCD's and this Plasma finally settled on the Panny, I just think the picture is so much better and dig the matte finish of the bezel.

Here's my problem I am hoping Panny Tech will fix in 2 weeks... Hooking up my HTPC to the 2nd HDMI input all is well; however when i turn the tv off while on HDMI 2 and then try to turn it back on the power light blinks and I am unable to do anything until I unplug the HDMI cable. Any words of wisdom are much appreciated, like things to say to the tech to get the problem fixed right the first time. I saw a thread about 10 blinks from the power light and that is what I am getting, but all is well when I unplug and plug it back in...

On another note is there a firmware update available for the TH-C50FD18? Where would I find it the Panny website does not seem to have much support for Big Box Models.

For kicks the attachment is a shot of my humble set up, I hope somebody is still watching this thread...

This may be a repeat for the umpteenth time (and my apologies if it is!), but it may be helpful when trolling for utilities, drivers, firmware, etc.:
ftp.panasonic.com/pub/Panasonic/call_center/firmware/TV_PDP (add ftp colon slash slash to the beginning - I can't post links yet)

Also - since the TH-C42FD18 is actually the TH-42PZ80U re-branded by Costco, the options increase when looking for firmware. Panasonic seems to treat the TH-C42FD18 as a "non-existent" device...:(

Enjoy,

Steve