Well Folks the day is here :)

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDownDetail.do?group=mp3audiovideo&type=blu_ray&subtype=duohdplayer&model_nm=BD-UP5000/XAA&language=&cate_type=all&mType=FM&dType=D&vType=R&cttID=1825640&prd_ia_cd=03020500&disp_nm=BD-UP5000

Direct download:
http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=us&CttFileID=1825640&CDCttType=FM&ModelType=N&ModelName=BD-UP5000/XAA&VPath=FM/200805/20080530180236312_080529_03_UP5000_XAA_RUF_ISO.zip

build date : 2008-05-30 Firmware(US & Canada)

<BD-UP5000 Firmware Ver 1.3 >
date: May 30. 2008

This Firmware update provides the following benefits:

1. Upgrades current BD-UP5000 to profile 1.1
2. Upgrades BD-UP5000 with HD audio bit-stream output function.
3. Updates User interface based on BD profile 1.1
4. Improves playback compatibility in some movies


Hopefully it works out for everyone :) Created this thread to report bugs\fixes for this particular release. BTW thanks to stuartcs for reporting the find 1st.....

EDIT:
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To open\close the PiP 1.1 features (it will show "Bonus View" when available on your TV) press the button Labeled "cursor" on the bottom right hand side of the remote...
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Audio:
Bitstreaming:
TrueHD\DTS-MA\DD+ confirmed

TrueHD now plays multichannel via all outputs
*For Optical\Coax users you must set to Bitstream Audiophile or re-encode to get multichannel on some discs

DTS-MA, seems to still only play core DTS track via non HDMI 1.3 connections...

Disc Fixes:
Sunshine :D:D:D
Old Universal titles (tested Mummy) Scene selection now shows pictures....

Memory
**New there are seperate sections for Blu-ray and HD DVD now**
HD DVD memory shows 448 available (up from 128 previously)
Blu-ray is empty, but does not show available space....

Verified Glitches\Bugs:
There is still "flicker" on disc playback at 24fps (possibly Paramount titles only) This bug was fixed prior to this firmware and has now returned.
Display bug-DTS-MA 5.1 tracks getting dispayed as DTS-MA 7.1....

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**The update is now available for direct download via the players ethernet connection****
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To burn this to a CD do the following:
Download the Zip file for the update from the link above.
Once downloaded extract the ISO file to your desktop or desired folder
Open you favorite burning software
Select "Burn an Image" (or something similar, different programs use different language)
Once you get prompted for the file, select the Firmware ISO image that you extracted earlier
Burn the CD (in some cases you may want to lower the burn speed to ensure less errors)
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Instructions for Mac Users (from user kwindrem):
Download the zip. It should expand automatically and mount to your desktop. Eject the disc image (you don't need it but it doesn't do any harm to leave it mounted either).

Locate the .iso file.

Right click and select Open With ... Disk Utility.

Insert a CD and click on Burn.

You can also use Toast but need to make sure that you select Copy, then Image File on the left side of the window. Then you must select the .iso file.
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What setting is best for Me?
We are seeing a lot of questions from memebrs on what audio settings they should use. While some of these settings may not be conclusive, they should point you in the correct direction.

HDMI 1.3 Receiver: Bitstream Audiophile

HDMI 1.1\1.2 Receiver: PCM

Analog 5.1\7.1: PCM

SPDIF\Coax\Optical: Bitstream Audiophille\Bitstream Re-encode

If you take a look at this Chart created by Barney_DaPurple1 for the BDP-1400 we are able to at least take a look at what shuold be coming from our outputs )there are differences however):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13476446&postcount=5800
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj194/Barney_ThePurple1/SS1400_AUDIO2.png

so how does this new firmware make it stack up against the LG BH200 now??

TrueHD now is 5.1 from the analog outputs.

Im just wondering because i purchased the lg BH200 for about 40 less than what this was going for. It was 399.99 up here in canada at futureshop but the guy said it was severely hindered when it came to audio. Thats why im wondering, because i can always return the LG if this is better now. I mean the LG's Qdeo is amazing, but the reon HQV in this must be better.

TrueHD now is 5.1 from the analog outputs.

5.1 or 7.1?

5.1 or 7.1?

Well, there's no disc with 7.1 Dolby TrueHD as of today to test it.

TrueHD now is 5.1 from the analog outputs.

Sweeeeetttt. Ill be able to confirm this once I get it installed, :D.....

Im just wondering because i purchased the lg BH200 for about 40 less than what this was going for. It was 399.99 up here in canada at futureshop but the guy said it was severely hindered when it came to audio. Thats why im wondering, because i can always return the LG if this is better now. I mean the LG's Qdeo is amazing, but the reon HQV in this must be better.

We wont really know until someone that is connected via HDMI tels us if the bitstreaming is fixed.....I only have 5.1 Analogs so thats all I can confirm...This player may not be on par if not a hair better for US users who are not concerned with Multi-region....

after someone checks, someone should make a list about how both stack up to each other now. As for myself, im more worried about picture and sound quality than region locks.

Well, there's no disc with 7.1 Dolby TrueHD as of today to test it.

The Dolby demo discs (blue and red) have 7.1 AFAIK.

DTS-MA is bitstreamed...lights I've never seen before on my Onkyo came alive. :eek:

i do the dance of joy!

Sunshine = fixed. Navigation no longer causes any hangups...since I'm bitstreaming, I can't hear the 1.1 feature but I got the PIP video working without a hitch.

Sunshine = fixed. Navigation no longer causes any hangups...since I'm bitstreaming, I can't hear the 1.1 feature but I got the PIP video working without a hitch.

HAHAHAHA I was jsut about to post this.......

BTW for people that arent aware to hop in and out of the PiP feature you can press the button labeled "cursor" on the bottom right of the remote...


I can also confirm that via analogs I am getting 5.1 with TrueHD tracks tested Elizabeth TGA

There was hardly a better first disc to check. ;)

And I wasn't aware about that "cursor" trick, I was taking the arduous, tenuous route through the "Info" button screen. :p

There was hardly a better first disc to check. ;)

And I wasn't aware about that "cursor" trick, I was taking the arduous, tenuous route through the "Info" button screen. :p

Vinnie if you can, I would like to see if the player is doecoding TrueHD internally as well......I know we can test it via HDMI (it should sent it to the 605 as PCM), but am unsure of the settings...

I am happy though that I can get multichannel finally for TrueHD movies :)

Anyone have a chance to test the coax or optical outputs with a TrueHD track yet? I'm particularly curious to hear what will happen with a 7.1 channel track, so I'm interested to know what the "red" and "blue" demo discs referred to above are -- I haven't seen these.

Also, I'm REALLY curious to know if the SD DVD audio dropout issues were fixed. This is a hard one to test for (since it's not consistant), but it's one of the most important issues in my opinion since it effects so many DVDs for some of us.

I won't be able to test this myself for a while, so I'm curious to hear other people's feedback.

Thanks,

Larry

Anyone have a chance to test the coax or optical outputs with a TrueHD track yet? I'm particularly curious to hear what will happen with a 7.1 channel track, so I'm interested to know what the "red" and "blue" demo discs referred to above are -- I haven't seen these.

Also, I'm REALLY curious to know if the SD DVD audio dropout issues were fixed. This is a hard one to test for (since it's not consistant), but it's one of the most important issues in my opinion since it effects so many DVDs for some of us.

I won't be able to test this myself for a while, so I'm curious to hear other people's feedback.

Thanks,

Larry

The report in the main thread was that it did properly re-encode to DTS 5.1 via spdif\optical...not sure about how it handels in bitstream mode....

as fa as SD DVD goes, I think that Jurrasic PArk 3 was one that multiple people verified, with specific dropouts that could be duplicated...Id have to dig, but I may be able to test it...

Vinnie if you can, I would like to see if the player is doecoding TrueHD internally as well......I know we can test it via HDMI (it should sent it to the 605 as PCM), but am unsure of the settings...

I am happy though that I can get multichannel finally for TrueHD movies :)
Do you mean if it's decoding DTS-MA internally, Ph8te? I think you guys have already confirmed TrueHD 5.1 at least. Basically, I think when set to PCM and if I'm getting input through all channels, I will still only be able to speculate wrt DTS-MA internal decoding.

Larry, I agree with that...I'm gonna' try some known problem HD DVDs later.

Vinnie if you can, I would like to see if the player is doecoding TrueHD internally as well...

It was reported above that TrueHD tracks are sending out 5.1 over the analog outputs, which means that the player is definitely decoding the TrueHD track internally. Is this what you're asking about? I may just be misunderstanding your question.

Larry

Do you mean if it's decoding DTS-MA internally, Ph8te? I think you guys have already confirmed TrueHD 5.1 at least. Basically, I think when set to PCM and if I'm getting input through all channels, I will still only be able to speculate.

Larry, I agree with that...I'm gonna' try some known problem HD DVDs later.

It was reported above that TrueHD tracks are sending out 5.1 over the analog outputs, which means that the player is definitely decoding the TrueHD track internally. Is this what you're asking about? I may just be misunderstanding your question.

Larry


Hmmmmmmm not sure I guess, I guess I am wondering if what we are hearing is the PCM track or the DD 5.1 "hidden" track...

VInnie, might wanna try the Orphanage(sp) as I know that was reported as not playable at all.....

I have a few discs to test, but not many of the "problem discs"

TrueHD 5.1 now outputs to analog as 5.1 as well as re-encode to DTS 5.1 via optical if you chose re-encode.

Beowulf HD DVD: the initial long delay is now gone.

weired on screen box when chose audio via audio button on Matrix trilogy HD DVD: Fixed

HD DVD initial internet download: seems much faster than before.
HD DVD in-movie menu still sluggish.

BD side, National Treasure 2 menu now loads differently IIRC. It takes a minute to load/initialize. My guess is that is the BD-Java delay.

Other BD discs I have all play.

Internal clock when synced to NTS server still does not support Daylight Savings Time.

The report in the main thread was that it did properly re-encode to DTS 5.1 via spdif\optical...not sure about how it handels in bitstream mode....

Does it require the "re-encode" setting to do this, or does it also re-encode to DTS even in the "Audiophile" mode? I guess the important question is: what happens with TrueHD tracks over the spdif outputs when the player is set to "audiophile" mode?

as far as SD DVD goes, I think that Jurassic Park 3 was one that multiple people verified, with specific dropouts that could be duplicated...Id have to dig, but I may be able to test it...

I'm pretty sure that I was the one who first posted the JP3 dropout spots. My post is here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12913841&highlight=jurassic#post12913841

Here is the pertinent info from that post pinpointing the spot where I heard repeatable dropouts:

Ch. 2 - 12:08 into film
Ch. 4 - 18:21 into film

NOTE that the DD track does NOT exhibit these dropouts (at least not repeatable dropouts at these spots.) I switched to the DD track and the dropouts did NOT occur at these spots, and when I switched back to DTS, the dropouts once again occurred.

This of course only tests for DTS dropouts. DD dropouts, in my experience, have never been repeatable -- they just happen randomly and usually do not repeat at the same place.

Note also that at least one other poster reported that only one of these spots had the dropout problem on their system even though I could repeat the issue at BOTH spots.

Thanks,

Larry

Hmmmmmmm not sure I guess, I guess I am wondering if what we are hearing is the PCM track or the DD 5.1 "hidden" track...

VInnie, might wanna try the Orphanage(sp) as I know that was reported as not playable at all.....

I have a few discs to test, but not many of the "problem discs"
I don't have the Orphanage (only rented that one :( ). That one played flawlessly on both of my units if I pushed chapter next during the logo.

I need some sleep right now (seems we all do, we're confused, lol) as I'm still up from late night work.

Unfortunately, my non-HDMI receiver is only capable of 5.1 analog input. DTS-MA discs I have played both from 5.1 analog and optical out. There is no way for me to test if it internally decodes anything other than DTS core (as it did before this firmware update).

The report in the main thread was that it did properly re-encode to DTS 5.1 via spdif\optical...not sure about how it handels in bitstream mode....

as fa as SD DVD goes, I think that Jurrasic PArk 3 was one that multiple people verified, with specific dropouts that could be duplicated...Id have to dig, but I may be able to test it...

Larry as reported by you:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12913594#post12913594

"Jurassic Park III" SD DVD:

With the DTS track, I have completely repeatable audio dropouts at the following points:

Ch. 2 - 12:08 into film
Ch. 4 - 18:21 into film




I did not hear any dropouts at these points and I had my ears to the speakers....

I also tested "The Mummy" HD DVD, looks like the menu issues are fixed.....

Hmmmmmmm not sure I guess, I guess I am wondering if what we are hearing is the PCM track or the DD 5.1 "hidden" track...

EXCELLENT point Ph8te -- I hadn't considered that. The player may indeed be accessing the hidden track for the spdif outputs. This would also bring up the question of whether or not the re-encode setting was accessing the same track as the audiophile setting when playing a TrueHD disc. I could theoretically be that the "audiophile" setting accesses the hidden track, while the "re-encode" setting decodes the TrueHD track, then encodes to DTS 1.5Mb on the fly, which would theoretically be a higher quality track.

Is there some way to verify which track is being played via the 5k's info screens? This might tell us what's going on under the hood.

Thanks,

Larry

I did not hear any dropouts at these points and I had my ears to the speakers....

Thanks for the report.

Could you confirm whether or not you heard dropouts at these spots BEFORE the new firmware update? I can't remember if you were one of the people who heard these dropouts before or not.

Thanks again,

Larry

Thanks for the report.

Could you confirm whether or not you heard dropouts at these spots BEFORE the new firmware update? I can't remember if you were one of the people who heard these dropouts before or not.

Thanks again,

Larry

I could have sworn I herd something, not sure if I would describe it as a dropout, but it sounded like someone scratched a record really loud for a split second.....

I have not heard them on other discs though so I really cant confirm DD 5.1 on other SD DVDs.....

ANother update....Jumpy menus on 30 Days of night have cleared up.....

Does this firmware still stretch 4:3 to 16:9?

Has anybody been able to confirm TrueHD bitstreaming over HDMI? Vinnie97 mentioned only DTS-MA. What about direct downloading of the firmware via the network adaptor?

Does it require the "re-encode" setting to do this, or does it also re-encode to DTS even in the "Audiophile" mode? I guess the important question is: what happens with TrueHD tracks over the spdif outputs when the player is set to "audiophile" mode?


It does re-encode TrueHD 5.1 in audiophile mode. But it re-encodes as Dolby Digital 5.1 according to my receiver instead of DTS. If you chose re-encode, it will be output as DTS.

This is via optical.

I could have sworn I herd something, not sure if I would describe it as a dropout, but it sounded like someone scratched a record really loud for a split second.....

I think that was a separate issue. Some people reported some sort of noise bursts, which sounds like what you're describing. The dropouts were just that -- VERY short moments of no audio.

Thanks again,

Larry

It does re-encode TrueHD 5.1 in audiophile mode. But it re-encodes as Dolby Digital 5.1 according to my receiver instead of DTS. If you chose re-encode, it will be output as DTS.

This is via optical.

Are you sure it's re-encoding? Ph8te brought up an interesting point that the player could be accessing the hidden DD track in this situation.

Thanks again,

Larry

Jim, sorry, only got around to trying a DTS-MA disc so far and then something came up...hopefully someone can fill in on TrueHD bitstreaming.

Jim, sorry, only got around to trying a DTS-MA disc so far and then something came up...hopefully someone can fill in on TrueHD bitstreaming.

No prob, Vinnie. I suspect I have my answer from your post about DTS-MA. Unlikely we'd get one without the other.

One more to add to the list, just tested AVP:R and did not hear any dropout at the beginning, like I did before....Cant watch the entire movie right now, but it looks like this may be fixed as well...

Has anybody been able to confirm TrueHD bitstreaming over HDMI? Vinnie97 mentioned only DTS-MA. What about direct downloading of the firmware via the network adaptor?

A member in the main thread verified bitstream of TrueHD 5.1.......

Are you sure it's re-encoding? Ph8te brought up an interesting point that the player could be accessing the hidden DD track in this situation.

Thanks again,

Larry

You're correct.

I have a HD DVD TrueHD disc (I Am Legend). When I use Audiophile mode, it outputs PCM 2.0 via optical.

I also have NT2 BD with TrueHD. When I use Audiophile mode, it outputs DD 5.1.

So this concludes that 5k does use the hidden DD 5.1 track if available in audiophile mode and will not transcode to DTS in audiophile mode.

Of course re-encode will encode tureHD 5.1 to DTS 5.1.

A member in the main thread verified bitstream of TrueHD 5.1.......

Thanks, Ph8te!

Edit: Sorry, must have missed it. I saw several posts about decoding TrueHD to analog and optical, but nothing about bitstreaming to HDMI. Which post were you looking at?

Are you sure it's re-encoding? Ph8te brought up an interesting point that the player could be accessing the hidden DD track in this situation.

Thanks again,

Larry

I am not even sure how to test if it is decoding (internally) and sending the PCM stream via HDMI\Analogs......

It should however send DD 5.1 via optical no matter what, I believe, if it decodes internally it should send PCM to the receiver when connected via analogs or HDMI, but again not sure on how we would test that......


SOrry I couldnt be of help with the dropouts, I did heard glitches though on JP:III, that are not present now though, so you may be in the clear...

Thanks, Ph8te!

Edit: Sorry, must have missed it. I saw several posts about decoding TrueHD to analog and optical, but nothing about bitstreaming to HDMI. Which post were you looking at?

I think someone moight have either mis posted or edited thier post, it was there earlier.....now I cant find it :mad:

I do have to say though if it is bitstreaming DTS MA, then I am guessing it will do TrueHD as well...

I think someone moight have either mis posted or edited thier post, it was there earlier.....now I cant find it :mad:

I do have to say though if it is bitstreaming DTS MA, then I am guessing it will do TrueHD as well...

Yep. That's what I'm thinking, too.

any word on if it will play dts hd ma over the analogs? I know tru hd was confirmed but im also hoping for dts hd ma!

any word on if it will play dts hd ma over the analogs? I know tru hd was confirmed but im also hoping for dts hd ma!

Clark, no way to tell over analogs, there has always been 5.1 sound for DTS MA tracks since there is a DTS 5.1 core track.....I wish there was someway to tgell, but I dont think there is......

Every disc in the past with a DTS MA track (at least for me) has always played a 5.1 track via analogs....

Ok, found some more time...Beowulf doesn't hang on a black screen for 2 minutes any longer (though the web update was slow as before, prolly need to delete some of the data in flash mem). It's also bitstreaming DD+. Did not detect the dropouts as previously but had the volume low.

Problem not fixed: 24fps flickering at the top of the screen in Beowulf. Haven't tested Disturbia yet where that also manifested but I guess the engineers didn't get enough complaints on the issue.

hopefully someone will have an 1.1 or 1.2 receiver to see if the player is sending multichannel PCM for the True HD\DTS MA tracks, I believe this would be one way to tell if the player is internally decoding the tracks for sure....Per the S&V mag and other sites, if the player internally decodes it sends the signal as PCM when using Analogs or HDMI....Not sure though what we would set the player to (PCM or Bitstream) to see if this works though...

VInnie dang well there are bound to be some bugs left, good to see some of them being fixed....I dont remember the "flicker" being on the list you have compiled though, I did send that list(link) to that Samsung contact a while back, wonder if they went over it?....LOL

Yea, drat...Not sure why I didn't get around to adding that refresh problem! I do remember it happening after all. :(

It should however send DD 5.1 via optical no matter what, I believe, if it decodes internally it should send PCM to the receiver when connected via analogs or HDMI, but again not sure on how we would test that......


See my answers here:

You're correct.

I have a HD DVD TrueHD disc (I Am Legend). When I use Audiophile mode, it outputs PCM 2.0 via optical.

I also have NT2 BD with TrueHD. When I use Audiophile mode, it outputs DD 5.1.

So this concludes that 5k does use the hidden DD 5.1 track if available in audiophile mode and will not transcode to DTS in audiophile mode.

Of course re-encode will encode tureHD 5.1 to DTS 5.1.

Things I forgot to test (I'm at work now): playback of non-region locked PAL discs and AVCHD DVD-R discs. I will try these this evening.

Also the ability to play moive burnt on BD-R/RE discs needs to be tested (I don't have any of these). It doesn't work in old firmware.

Sweeeet! Just tested and I can confirm the bitstreaming of TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio into my Onkyo 885. It's nice to see some new words on the face of my processor. Unfortunately, I don't have any 7.1 discs, but the 5.1's sounded awesome. Startup time is significantly less as well. All in all, we now have the most awesome player on the market!

See my answers here:

You cheated ;) you changed your post LOL!!!!! you said DTS before...LOL j/k...

The later half (PCM) part was to see if the player was internally decoding and sending PCM (which shouldnt happen over optical, I dont think) or just grabbing the hidden DD 5.1 track......

All in all, we now have the most awesome player on the market!

We had. It's no longer available in most markets unfortunately.

You cheated ;) you changed your post LOL!!!!! you said DTS before...LOL j/k...


No. I posted again :)


The later half (PCM) part was to see if the player was internally decoding and sending PCM (which shouldnt happen over optical, I dont think) or just grabbing the hidden DD 5.1 track......

It does send PCM over optical as 2.0 if hidden track is not available, i.e. my HD DVD discs. Only BD discs have hidden DD tracks.

What I forgot to test is that if my HD DVD disc does have both TrueHD and DD+ track, will the player pick DD+ track to send over optical if I select TrueHD?

4:3 stretching not fixed.
I tried a couple discs, they still stretch to 16:9. Unless I am missing a setting or something.

No. I posted again :)



It does send PCM over optical as 2.0 if hidden track is not available, i.e. my HD DVD discs.

Interesting.....Hopefully someone with an HDMI can see if it will do multichannel PCM.......Not sure what the PCM 2.0 means as far as the decoding goes.......

Not sure if I have any discs that are missing the hidden track, I tried 30 Days of Night and Elizabeth TGS both played multichannel over Analog with bitstream and TrueHD selected...

4:3 stretching not fixed.
I tried a couple discs, they still stretch to 16:9. Unless I am missing a setting or something.

It will "never" be fixed, this occurs on all Samsung players.....

Sweeeet! Just tested and I can confirm the bitstreaming of TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio into my Onkyo 885. It's nice to see some new words on the face of my processor. Unfortunately, I don't have any 7.1 discs, but the 5.1's sounded awesome. Startup time is significantly less as well. All in all, we now have the most awesome player on the market!

Outstanding. I have an Integra 8.8, so I expect the same result.

Also, can someone with HDMI 1.3 receiver confirm bitstream of DD+? DD+ is a common format on HD DVDs.

Since the player outputs 5.1 to analog from TrueHD track even without any hidden track (on I Am Legend HD DVD disc I tested), I'm confident that TrueHD is indeed internally decoded (to PCM). If you set your player to output PCM, your HDMI receiver should receive LPCM 5.1 from TrueHD track.

I also have a DTS-MA 7.1 HD DVD disc but don't have a new receiver, so I can't test DTS-HD decoding via HDMI.

BD Tests - Round 1 - HDMI connection to Yamaha RX-V3800, Bitstream (Audiophile).


Spiderman (TrueHD Track)- Yamaha displays Dolby TrueHD. Shows 5.1

Simpsons (DTS-MA) - Yamaha displays DTS-HD MSTR, however it displays as 7.1....

POTE:AWE (PCM) - Yamaha dispays PCM, and the little icons show 5.1. They may have fixed the PCM bug, and just moved it over to DTS-MA.

More to come.

Regarding the "hidden" DD 5.1 track in TrueHD.. that track only exists in the BRD specs, not the HDDVD specs. Thats why HDDVD requires a DD+ track to be included on discs. (High Def Digest put together an article that explains this difference between the two specs).. notwithstanding I Am Legend where WB decided they didnt need to roll with a DD+ track.

so, if it is playing TrueHD in 5.1 off an HDDVD the player is decoding the lossless TrueHD track. Then they output that as PCM (lossless). If you have optical and dont have the bandwidth for PCM 5.1 it will be re-encoded into DTS like the Toshiba HDDVD players did.

So the only question left, are we getting the DTS-MA track or the core? Its in both HDDVD and BRD specs to have a core "DTS" track, so without Sammy coming out and commenting on it, we will never know.

It will "never" be fixed, this occurs on all Samsung players.....

Ahhh, that's lame.

Ahhh, that's lame.


I'm with you on this one.. one thing I really miss from my AX2.

Also, can someone with HDMI 1.3 receiver confirm bitstream of DD+? DD+ is a common format on HD DVDs.
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I just put in The Bourne Ultimatum HDDVD, and my Yamaha shows "Dolby Digital +" on the display.

I just put in The Bourne Ultimatum HDDVD, and my Yamaha shows "Dolby Digital +" on the display.

So, every format bitstreams, and all formats are re-encoded to PCM via analog and HDMI with the exception of DTS-MA (unless Sammy wants to confirm it does that now as well).

How is the sd audio drop issue. Has anyone had a chance to play around and see if its gone?

So the only question left, are we getting the DTS-MA track or the core? Its in both HDDVD and BRD specs to have a core "DTS" track, so without Sammy coming out and commenting on it, we will never know.

The one DTS-MA disc I have: Pan's Labriynth HD DVD has DTS-MA 7.1. Since DTS core is 5.1 only, it is possible to test how Samsung treats the DTS-MA track via either analog 7.1 or HDMI in PCM mode. Unfortunately, my receiver can do neither of those (only 5.1 analog).

The one DTS-MA disc I have: Pan's Labriynth HD DVD has DTS-MA 7.1. Since DTS core is 5.1 only, it is possible to test how Samsung treats the DTS-MA track via either analog 7.1 or HDMI in PCM mode. Unfortunately, my receiver can do neither of those (only 5.1 analog).

good call, I own that movie as well. Im 5.1 only as well though. But at least we know how to test it, we just need someone to do it.

RAT (BD) - PCM shows up as 5.1, however Dolby Digital displays at 6.1

LFoDH - DTS-MA shows up as 7.1

Please help. How do you get this new firmware??

The one DTS-MA disc I have: Pan's Labriynth HD DVD has DTS-MA 7.1. Since DTS core is 5.1 only, it is possible to test how Samsung treats the DTS-MA track via either analog 7.1 or HDMI in PCM mode. Unfortunately, my receiver can do neither of those (only 5.1 analog).

just plug ONLY the rear surround analog outputs from the 5000 into your receiver and see if there is sound

Please help. How do you get this new firmware??

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDownDetail.do?group=mp3audiovideo&type=blu_ray&subtype=duohdplayer&model_nm=BD-UP5000/XAA&language=&cate_type=all&mType=FM&dType=D&vType=R&cttID=1825640&prd_ia_cd=03020500&disp_nm=BD-UP5000

Then download, unzip it, and burn the ISO image to a CD-R. Make sure you don't just copy the iso file on the disc.

Should we call the PCM bug fixed????

It is time for me work a little bit, but the 2 PCM movies I have tested (RAT and POTC:AWE) on my Yamaha all show only 5.1 being input to the AVR, not 7.1 as previous.

I guess we'll need someone else to look.

Also, can someone with HDMI 1.3 receiver confirm bitstream of DD+? DD+ is a common format on HD DVDs.
See above. ;) Confirmed it for Michael Clayton as well.

just plug ONLY the rear surround analog outputs from the 5000 into your receiver and see if there is sound

you are a genious.. we can see if its playing the Rear surround channel, just out of the wrong speakers. Lets hope :D

anyone have the Pans labrynth with a 7.1 analog set up. I may have to pick it up just to try it at home lol Im anxious to see if this player can decode dts hd ma over the analogs.

just plug ONLY the rear surround analog outputs from the 5000 into your receiver and see if there is sound


Good tip. I'll try it later.

Congratulations to the UP5000 owners.

I had really considered this player before I purchased the LG but couldn't wait it out. I'm glad for you all and please enjoy the bitstreaming of the advanced audio codecs. I know that is the sweetest part!!

It will "never" be fixed, this occurs on all Samsung players.....

Reportedly, the 1500 fixed it. Interesting that Sorrysung told us it's not a problem, yet they "fixed" the "non-problem" on their new model.

Doug

After a long long wait and going through ps3, toshiba a-35 and returning the LG /the hardest decision in my life:D/ , my patience has finally paid off. Should we celebrate with a nice bottle of champagne tonight? :D

Reportedly, the 1500 fixed it. Interesting that Sorrysung told us it's not a problem, yet they "fixed" the "non-problem" on their new model.

Doug

yeah, I just cant use my awesome upscaling BRD/HDDVD player on any TV show that I own.

Not a problem at all.

How is the sd audio drop issue. Has anyone had a chance to play around and see if its gone?

I'll try to test this tonight. I have been watching Battlestar Galactica Season 3 and every episode without fail has an audio dropout at about the same point in each episode. If this is fixed I will be extremely happy!

I can't believe I got this player for $300!! :D

After a long long wait and going through ps3, toshiba a-35 and returning the LG /the hardest decision in my life:D/ , my patience has finally paid off. Should we celebrate with a nice bottle of champagne tonight? :DWonder where the bashers are today.

Also, can someone with HDMI 1.3 receiver confirm bitstream of DD+? DD+ is a common format on HD DVDs.

Since the player outputs 5.1 to analog from TrueHD track even without any hidden track (on I Am Legend HD DVD disc I tested), I'm confident that TrueHD is indeed internally decoded (to PCM). If you set your player to output PCM, your HDMI receiver should receive LPCM 5.1 from TrueHD track.

I also have a DTS-MA 7.1 HD DVD disc but don't have a new receiver, so I can't test DTS-HD decoding via HDMI.

Ok I an confirm that DTS-MA is being output (played i-Robot BD) & True-HD (from Harry Potter - Phoenix HD-DVD). I have the 5000 set to Bitstream-Audiophile thru HDMI to my Yamaha RX-V663. Don't know if it's bitstreamed or decoded since my AVR can decode. I can also confirm DD+

this thread should be a sticky

OMG. My TV displays the hardware that's playing...it says "BD-P1500" instead of "BD-UP5000".....

And there were flickers at the start of I Am Legend HD DVD at the menu and few seconds after the movie is selected.

Ok I an confirm that DTS-MA is being output (played i-Robot BD) & True-HD (from Harry Potter - Phoenix HD-DVD). I have the 5000 set to Bitstream-Audiophile thru HDMI to my Yamaha RX-V663. Don't know if it's bitstreamed or decoded since my AVR can decode. I can also confirm DD+It bitstreams everything, for sure. But what does it decode?

The real test is what comes out of the analog outs, since that can ONLY be decoded to PCM. Of course, it doesn't say what it was decoded from (DTS-MA, or DTS-MA(core)), so one needs to test the surround back channels with a disc that supports DTS-MA 7.1, such as Pan's Labyrinth. TrueHD 5.1 appears to work as 5.1 PCM, up from 2.0 before.

To sum things up:

Dolby True HD- bitstream
Dolby True HD- decoded /output via analog as PCM/
DD+ -bitsream
DTS-MA -bitstream /bug after the FW- discs with 5.1 now show 7.1/
PCM- bitstream/bug-showing 7.1 instead of 5.1 now fixed/
PIP- enabled /player now profile 1.1/
450 MB of persistent memory showing instead of 128MB
Dropouts- fixed on multiple discs
Ok, am I missing anything?
Did anyone check if MA is decoded?...most likely no, but you never know. Unfortunately I can't help, I am not at home
anybody?

To sum things up:

Dolby True HD- bitstream
Dolby True HD- decoded /output via analog as PCM/
DD+ -bitsream
DTS-MA -bitstream
PCM- bitstream/bug-showing 7.1 instead of 5.1 now fixed/
PIP- enabled /player now profile 1.1/

Ok, am I missing anything?
Did anyone check if MA is decoded?...most likely no, but you never know. Unfortunately I can't help, I am not at home
anybody?

450 MB of persistent memory showing instead of 128MB.

My Yamaha shows DTS-HD MSTR is being input as 7.1, even though the disks are 5.1 DTS-HD MA.

450 MB of persistent memory showing instead of 128MB.

My Yamaha shows DTS-HD MSTR is being input as 7.1, even though the disks are 5.1 DTS-HD MA.

so, the bug now is when playing -MA:)

OMG. My TV displays the hardware that's playing...it says "BD-P1500" instead of "BD-UP5000".....

And there were flickers at the start of I Am Legend HD DVD at the menu and few seconds after the movie is selected.

I didn't notice this. Will have to look when I get back home but we do know that it is playing Blu-Ray's and HD-DVD's correctly!

Ok I an confirm that DTS-MA is being output (played i-Robot BD) & True-HD (from Harry Potter - Phoenix HD-DVD). I have the 5000 set to Bitstream-Audiophile thru HDMI to my Yamaha RX-V663. Don't know if it's bitstreamed or decoded since my AVR can decode. I can also confirm DD+

Unless I have my terminology incorrect, "decoding" refers to the process of converting the signal from its original format (TrueHD, DTS, DD, whatever) to PCM at the player level (i.e. "internal" decoding) and then outputting that decoded to PCM signal over analog, optical, HDMI. If your receiver is showing the DTS-MA and TrueHD flags, that tells me that you are passing the original signal undecoded and letting your AVR do the decoding. If the 5000 was doing it, you'd probably only be seeing some kind of PCM signal on the receiver.

Audio dropouts have seemingly vanished from Warner HD DVDs (well, Michael Clayton anyway) as well as the Paramounts (Things We Lost in the Fire and Beowulf). I noticed some 24fps flickering (though minor compared to Beowulf) on Things We Lost... as well. The PCM "pop" seems to have been resolved also (experienced when navigating and resuming playback on discs with PCM; in this case, Prestige).

Sorry if this has been answered in the last 4 pages:

Confirmed:

Profile 1.1 support
TrueHD on-board decoding - Analogue or HDMI
TrueHD converted to DTS - SPDIF
DTS-HD MA bitstream
TrueHD Bitstream
DD+ Bitstream

What about? -

DD+ On-board
DTS-HD MA On-board - HDMI
DTS-HD MA On-board - Analogue

That would bring it in line with the LG BH200 (except for it's hacking capabilities). To clarify the LG BH200 can only Bitstream DTS-HD HR and MA.

What about? -

TrueHD Bitstream
DD+ Bitstream


Yes on both.

I think these two are confirmed:

TrueHD Bitstream
DD+ Bitstream

Update: Carl beat me to it. :P


Upgrade firmware via Ethernet port
-The 1.3 firmware is not available yet but it's been available for firmware 1.2 already. That's how I updated mine when I first got it.

Upgrade firmware via Ethernet port
-The 1.3 firmware is not available yet but it's been available for firmware 1.2 already. That's how I updated mine when I first got it.

The 5000 has always been able to update via the ethernet port. The only exception was when firmware 1.1 killed the network port.

Good tip. I'll try it later.

You appear to be our only possible test subject with a DTS-HD MA 7.1 disc to try.......the world awaits your results.....:p

Thanks guys.

It sounds like we just need to confirm if DD+ is also on-board (likely) and DTS-HD MA is also on-board (unlikely)?

Ok I an confirm that DTS-MA is being output (played i-Robot BD) & True-HD (from Harry Potter - Phoenix HD-DVD). I have the 5000 set to Bitstream-Audiophile thru HDMI to my Yamaha RX-V663. Don't know if it's bitstreamed or decoded since my AVR can decode.
If your Amp is receiving a PCM signal none of the DTS-HD/TrueHD lights will light up.

Bitstream Audiophile sounds like it Bitstreams too.

this thread should be a sticky
I don't think that's necessary. There are several threads that could be stickied but before we know it we'd have half a dozen threads.

My Yamaha shows DTS-HD MSTR is being input as 7.1, even though the disks are 5.1 DTS-HD MA.
It sounds like it has the same bug as the LG BH200 then:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1027202

Yeah, Foxbat, we're still waiting...or anybody else, please check the DTS-MA decoding

Of course it gets tricky because telling the Samsung to output PCM (on-board) and not bitstream will mean you either get:

DTS-HD MA converted to PCM
The DTS Core

Both will give you 5.1. I guess you'll need to compare it with HDMI and SPDIF to see if you can hear any difference.

They probably used most of the code from the 1500, to write the 5000 firmware, and forgot about the hardwear ID embedded in it.......

So look for an update in the next few days with that and maybe few other things addressed..............

to wait or not to wait that is the question!

I don't think that's necessary. There are several threads that could be stickied but before we know it we'd have half a dozen threads

I've been waiting for this update ever since I got the player in November. I deserve to have it on top of the page and not search for it between the other "more" important threads

I imagine it's going to stay at the top anyway ;).

One of those days I'd love to see someone hack the player, and make it support PAL, SD DVD and BD region free. How great would that be!?
Of course, DTS-MA support is more important, so one step at a time, I guess

450 MB of persistent memory showing instead of 128MB.

My Yamaha shows DTS-HD MSTR is being input as 7.1, even though the disks are 5.1 DTS-HD MA.

Since DTS-HA MA is bitstreamed, I don't think it is the bug of player (player has no idea). Either disc authoring problem or your AVR has a bug.

You appear to be our only possible test subject with a DTS-HD MA 7.1 disc to try.......the world awaits your results.....:p

You know work is a bitch. I already missed 2 hours of work in the morning. Let me see if I can sneak out earlier this afternoon.

Since DTS-HA MA is bitstreamed, I don't think it is the bug of player (player has no idea). Either disc authoring problem or your AVR has a bug.


Actually, I think it is with the player. The 5000 exhibited the same bug on PCM tracks prior to FW 1.3.

Of course it gets tricky because telling the Samsung to output PCM (on-board) and not bitstream will mean you either get:

DTS-HD MA converted to PCM
The DTS Core

Both will give you 5.1. I guess you'll need to compare it with HDMI and SPDIF to see if you can hear any difference.

There are discs that have DTS-MA 7.1. DTS core is 5.1 only.

One of those days I'd love to see someone hack the player, and make it support PAL, SD DVD and BD region free. How great would that be!?
This would probably be better discussed in the Main Samsung thread but has anyone tried any of the Samsung Player hacks out there?

The hack for the LG BH200 to enable PAL/BD Region support was originally for one/some of their DVD Players.

I just did a little experiment, but I have no idea what the results mean. I set the 5000 to PCM and put in "Rise of the Silver Surfer", which is DTS-HD MA 5.1. I chose that track for my audio. On my Onkyo pre/pro, it said "MultiChannel PCM", and listed the frequency sampling at 48kHz. DOH! Now that I think about it, I should have chosen the Dolby Digital track as well and see if it changed anything. Maybe later. However, I then went to bitstream audiophile, and restarted. The Onkyo says DTS-HD MA and lists the frequency sampling at 48kHz once again. FWIW

So the question is, with the 5000 set on PCM, and obviously outputting PCM to the Onkyo, with the audio track chosen as DTS-HD MA, would it output nothing if it was unable to decode onboard??? I definitely had 5.1 output.

So the question is, with the 5000 set on PCM, and obviously outputting PCM to the Onkyo, with the audio track chosen as DTS-HD MA, would it output nothing if it was unable to decode onboard??? I definitely had 5.1 output.
No you'd get the DTS Core.

I imagine 48Khz is correct and that's what the track is encoded with.

You know work is a bitch. I already missed 2 hours of work in the morning. Let me see if I can sneak out earlier this afternoon.

Dang! I might have to run out to Best Buy and get Pan's Labyrinth

Is pans the only one. Shoot em up should work ok i think. I believe that is dts hd ma 7.1 as well.

Surely the quality should be obvious regardless of 7.1? If you cannot tell the difference then I wouldn't worry either way :D. Just don't pick something like Rambo 1-3 to test it now ;).

Although it would be nice to be confirmed.

Is pans the only one. Shoot em up should work ok i think. I believe that is dts hd ma 7.1 as well.
Rambo 4 (USA BD) is also DTS-HD MA 7.1

So the question is, with the 5000 set on PCM, and obviously outputting PCM to the Onkyo, with the audio track chosen as DTS-HD MA, would it output nothing if it was unable to decode onboard??? I definitely had 5.1 output.

Every DTS-HD MA track contains a DTS core track that can be decoded by any DTS only player. 5k can decode DTS core from day one.

I just did a little experiment, but I have no idea what the results mean. I set the 5000 to PCM and put in "Rise of the Silver Surfer", which is DTS-HD MA 5.1. I chose that track for my audio. On my Onkyo pre/pro, it said "MultiChannel PCM", and listed the frequency sampling at 48kHz. DOH! Now that I think about it, I should have chosen the Dolby Digital track as well and see if it changed anything. Maybe later. However, I then went to bitstream audiophile, and restarted. The Onkyo says DTS-HD MA and lists the frequency sampling at 48kHz once again. FWIW

So the question is, with the 5000 set on PCM, and obviously outputting PCM to the Onkyo, with the audio track chosen as DTS-HD MA, would it output nothing if it was unable to decode onboard??? I definitely had 5.1 output.

One time I tried switching from PCM to Audiophile, and the AVR still reported it was receiving PCM. Changing the 5k audio setup might require a power cycle before it "takes." Did you power off/on before your second test? I'm sure others who have more experience playing with the audio settings can chime in and debunk my test.

Doug

Pan's Labyrinth, The Orphanage, Rush Hour 3, Golden Compass, Hairspray, Saw 4, Shoot Em Up, OldBoy, Mr. Woodcock, and Dr. Strange:The Sorcerer Supreme

Those are your 7.1 choices

I have been looking around but must have missed it is the update ready for ethernet also or just burn to cd?

This or the LG?

Pan's Labyrinth, The Orphanage, Rush Hour 3, Golden Compass, Hairspray, Saw 4, Shoot Em Up, OldBoy, Mr. Woodcock, and Dr. Strange:The Sorcerer Supreme

Those are your 7.1 choices



Add Rambo to that list -7.1 DTS HD!

Is the FW upgrade through ethernet working?

yes, according to someone on the other thread

Dang! I might have to run out to Best Buy and get Pan's Labyrinth


I bought Pan's Lab HD DVD on CC closeout deals (real cheap) a while back for this purpose only.

Just updated... 'bout time!! Got my 5000 in December.

5000 hooked to Denon 5805-CI via HDMI (1.2)
5000 set to PCM
9.2 speaker setup (7.1 channels)

Here are the results of my audio tests:

Test: Resident Evil (1) BR
Audio Track: English TrueHD 5.1
Receiver shows PCM 7.1
Heard surround as expected.

Test: 300 BR
Audio Track: English TrueHD 5.1
Receiver shows PCM 7.1
Heard surround as expected.

Test 300 BR
Audio Track: English PCM 5.1
Receiver shows PCM 5.1
Heard surround as expected.

Test 3:10 to Yuma BR
Audio Track: English PCM 7.1
Receiver shows PCM 7.1
Heard surround as expected.

Test: Shoot 'Em Up BR
Audio Track: DTS HD-MA 7.1
Receiver shows PCM 5.1 ... Probably the DTS core track ...
As expected, heard surround from sides, but not back channels

Test: Batman Begins HD-DVD
Audio Track: English TrueHD 5.1
Receiver shows PCM 5.1
Heard surround as expected.

Test: Superman Returns HD-DVD
Audio Track: English TrueHD 5.1
Receiver shows PCM 5.1
Heard surround as expected.

Conclusions:
- Looks like, as before, the 5000 is decoding only the 5.1 DTS core of the DTS HD-MA track
- Bug fix: 5.1 PCM track now output as 5.1 output and 7.1 shows 7.1
- Bug introduced: 5.1 TrueHD track from Blu-Ray only output as 7.1 PCM

-- Garrett

my 5.1 TrueHD shows "TrueHD" on the RX-V663 and all 5.1 is heard. Maybe your receiver is matrixing the TrueHD5.1 to 7.1?

my 5.1 TrueHD shows "TrueHD" on the RX-V663 and all 5.1 is heard. Maybe your receiver is matrixing the TrueHD5.1 to 7.1?

If your receiver is showing "TrueHD" in any way, your receiver is getting the bitstream from the 5000.


My receiver cannot decode TrueHD, so I have my 5000 set to PCM... and the receiver (like most Denons) shows both what channels are incoming and what are outgoing. On Blu-Ray TrueHD 5.1 tracks, the 5000 outptus 7.1 PCM (although the back channels are silent). This is a lot like the previous PCM bug, where 5.1 PCM tracks show up as 7.1. This new bug does not happen on HD-DVD TrueHD 5.1 tracks.

-- Garrett

Ah I see. So the bug is the issue that it is showing 7.1 although it's outputting 5.1. I initially thought it was a bug that it turns all TrueHD into PCM 7.1 all channels. :)

Can someone help guide me here... I D/L the new firmware, burned the ISO on a CD, inserted in the unit... It says "Verifying Firmware Version" for about 15 mins now... PLEASE tell me what I should do... Thank you!!!


Peace...

Can someone help guide me here... I D/L the new firmware, burned the ISO on a CD, inserted in the unit... It says "Verifying Firmware Version" for about 15 mins now... PLEASE tell me what I should do... Thank you!!!


Peace...

Mine did the same thing this morning.

I ejected the disc and powered off the unit. I checked the disc for imperfections (scratches, oils, dirt). Powered on the 5000 with no disc, and then inserted the disc again, and it worked fine.

Ran the update via CD. Tossed in "Across the Universe", and getting surround sound via HDMI with Audiophile chosen. Fantastic :)

Unless I have my terminology incorrect, "decoding" refers to the process of converting the signal from its original format (TrueHD, DTS, DD, whatever) to PCM at the player level (i.e. "internal" decoding) and then outputting that decoded to PCM signal over analog, optical, HDMI. If your receiver is showing the DTS-MA and TrueHD flags, that tells me that you are passing the original signal undecoded and letting your AVR do the decoding. If the 5000 was doing it, you'd probably only be seeing some kind of PCM signal on the receiver.

Well I had a PCM label initially until I set my AVR to 'auto' & then I got the DTS-MA & TrueHD lights. SO - I am not sure if it was decoding in the player when I got the PCM light or not. The AVR definately decodes it.

Can someone help guide me here... I D/L the new firmware, burned the ISO on a CD, inserted in the unit... It says "Verifying Firmware Version" for about 15 mins now... PLEASE tell me what I should do... Thank you!!!


Peace...
Mine did this as well. After about 20 minutes, I cut power to my entertainment system (the power plug is burried) and held my breath as it came up with a prompt to 'choose language' indiciating it had reset and the new firmware had been updated.

Now here I sit at work - reading about everyone else who are able to play, and living vicariously through their experiences. ;)

Spence

Mine did the same thing this morning.

I ejected the disc and powered off the unit. I checked the disc for imperfections (scratches, oils, dirt). Powered on the 5000 with no disc, and then inserted the disc again, and it worked fine.

Thanks for the response... I did the same thing and it seems to be doing it now... I can't wait!!! Thanks SO much for your quick response... :D


Peace...

Conclusions:
- Looks like, as before, the 5000 is decoding only the 5.1 DTS core of the DTS HD-MA track
- Bug fix: 5.1 PCM track now output as 5.1 output and 7.1 shows 7.1
- Bug introduced: 5.1 TrueHD track from Blu-Ray only output as 7.1 PCM

-- Garrett

Is the aforementioned DTS HA-MA conclusion based on the DTS HD having to bitstream to, and be decoded by, your receiver instead of on board like the Dolby True HD? IE- a newer receiver wouldn't have the issue?

Unfortunately, I've already discovered a bug with the new firmware. A returning bug, actually, that was originally in version 1.0 and fixed in 1.1 — those glitches at the top of the screen in Transformers when using 24hz mode have returned. :(

You're correct.

I have a HD DVD TrueHD disc (I Am Legend). When I use Audiophile mode, it outputs PCM 2.0 via optical.

I also have NT2 BD with TrueHD. When I use Audiophile mode, it outputs DD 5.1.

So this concludes that 5k does use the hidden DD 5.1 track if available in audiophile mode and will not transcode to DTS in audiophile mode.

Of course re-encode will encode tureHD 5.1 to DTS 5.1.

Nice thinking on how to test that.

Did you happen to check for the overall bitrate of the hidden track on the BD output? Was it 640kbps?

Thanks,

Larry

Well I had a PCM label initially until I set my AVR to 'auto' & then I got the DTS-MA & TrueHD lights. SO - I am not sure if it was decoding in the player when I got the PCM light or not. The AVR definately decodes it.

That definitely sounds like the AVR was doing all the decoding and the 5000 was doing none of it. If you were getting a PCM label the first time it was probably because you had the AVR set to convert all HD audio signals to PCM. If switching to "auto" picked up the HD audio flags and you touched nothing on the 5000 before doing so, then the 5000 was bitstreaming, not decoding, both times.

EXCELLENT point Ph8te -- I hadn't considered that. The player may indeed be accessing the hidden track for the spdif outputs. This would also bring up the question of whether or not the re-encode setting was accessing the same track as the audiophile setting when playing a TrueHD disc. I could theoretically be that the "audiophile" setting accesses the hidden track, while the "re-encode" setting decodes the TrueHD track, then encodes to DTS 1.5Mb on the fly, which would theoretically be a higher quality track.

Is there some way to verify which track is being played via the 5k's info screens? This might tell us what's going on under the hood.

Thanks,

Larry

There's an easier way to check; does the receiver light up DD or DTS? The hidden track for TrueHD would be Dolby, but the 5K's re-encode would result in DTS.

EDIT: Looks like Foxbat beat me to it. Guess I should have kept reading. ;¬)

I just updated via CD, it didn't seem to be on the network yet.

I loaded my HD DVD version of DVE and did the per channel pink noise test. I got sound out of all 6 channels. This disk in TrueHD 6.1 and DD+ 6.1. So I still can't tell if the player is decoding the TrueHD or the DD+, but I was encouraged to get distinct audio out of the rear center.

Another note, National Treasure 2 has no text on the menus now. But at least I can get multi-channel audio from the disk.

Unfortunately, I've already discovered a bug with the new firmware. A returning bug, actually, that was originally in version 1.0 and fixed in 1.1 — those glitches at the top of the screen in Transformers when using 24hz mode have returned. :(
Must be Michael Bay's revenge for supporting/purchasing HD DVD versions of his film.

DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!!! :D

I have no doubt that the developers were doing a lot of 'cutting/pasting' with snippets of code and that something was indavertantly reverted.

They'll probably catch it, and a few other bugs (perhaps that incorrect device name issue) in upcoming updates.

So long as they don't revert any of the fixes where audio are concerned, I think we can count this as a nice step forward for Samsung.

so, if it is playing TrueHD in 5.1 off an HDDVD the player is decoding the lossless TrueHD track. Then they output that as PCM (lossless). If you have optical and dont have the bandwidth for PCM 5.1 it will be re-encoded into DTS like the Toshiba HDDVD players did.

But remember that the 5k will only re-encode if you have the player set to do this. In audiophile mode, the TrueHD track will be output as 2 channel over spdif.

In other words, it looks like the people that use audiophile mode will have to switch to re-encode when playing HD-DVDs that only offer a TrueHD track and nothing else. This is the only situation I can see so far where the audiophile mode will not output the intended multichannel sound. BR discs don't have this problem due to the hidden DD track that the player now utilizes.

One thing to keep in mind, however, is that the re-encoded DTS 1.5mb output from a TrueHD track on a BR disc is probably higher quality than the hidden DD track that you get when selecting a TrueHD track in audiophile mode. It depends on the encoding quality of the real time DTS encoder, but I would "think" that a DTS 1.5mb encode of a TrueHD track would offer somewhat higher sound quality than the 640kbps "hidden" track. The question, therefore, is which track is used for the re-encoding -- i.e. does the 5k re-encode the decoded TrueHD track, or does it just re-encode the hidden track.

Larry

Nice thinking on how to test that.

Did you happen to check for the overall bitrate of the hidden track on the BD output? Was it 640kbps?

Thanks,

Larry

My receiver does not report that info. Sorry.

Thanks for the headsup. Well I have it installed and Celine actually does sound better in surround. Who would have guessed? My wife is very happy.

I'll try to test this tonight. I have been watching Battlestar Galactica Season 3 and every episode without fail has an audio dropout at about the same point in each episode. If this is fixed I will be extremely happy!

I'm really interested to hear your update on this.

Could you also tell us what the actual format of the soundtracks are on those discs? i.e. are they DTS or DD?

Thanks,

Larry

You appear to be our only possible test subject with a DTS-HD MA 7.1 disc to try.......the world awaits your results.....:p

Well, got home early and tested it out. As expected, Only 5.1 out of analog out, no 7.1. So, looks like 5k can only decode DTS core. No supprise here. A new receiver is needed :)

Also, no dice on my AVCHD test disc and non region locked PAL DVD.

My receiver does not report that info. Sorry.

Okay -- thanks for the followup. My processor should give me this info, but I'm not yet sure when I'll be able to test it, and I don't have any TrueHD discs handy.

Thanks,

Larry

Wonder where the bashers are today.

Be nice.

Remember that according to Samsung, it was the flood of customer complaints about the TrueHD 2.0 issue that led to them fixing it (since Samsung said they considered 2 channel output to be "meeting the requirements" of TrueHD.)

In other words, it's possible that at least one of the fixes was due to the "loud" diligence of those "bashers," who didn't just voice their opinion here -- they also complained to Samsung directly.

Larry

In other words, it's possible that at least one of the fixes was due to the "loud" diligence of those "bashers," who didn't just voice their opinion here -- they also complained to Samsung directly.

Larry

This is why I think at some undetermined point in the furture, we will see the 5000 display 4:3 source material as 4:3. The more people who claim it as an issue, Samsung may address it.

(see my chat with the Samsung CSR in the Owners thread).

Be nice.

Remember that according to Samsung, it was the flood of customer complaints about the TrueHD 2.0 issue that led to them fixing it (since Samsung said they considered 2 channel output as "meeting the requirements" of TrueHD.)

In other words, it's possible that at least one of the fixes was due to the "loud" diligence of those "bashers," who didn't just voice their opinion here -- they also complained to Samsung directly.

Larry

They may also be offline, scrambling to find any store that may still have stock on units. ;)

One thing that just struck me is that so far, it has been assumed that when in "re-encode" mode, the 5k re-encodes the TrueHD track for the spdif outputs. It's possible, however, that the unit is utilizing the hidden DD track for spdif output in BOTH audiophile AND re-encode modes. It may have simply been easier to design it this way.

In other words, it may be that when playing a TrueHD track that has a companion hidden DD track (i.e. BR discs), the 5k simply uses the hidden track for spdif output regardless of the audio output setting. If this was the case, then there would be no advantage to using the re-encode setting as I had previously assumed.

Unfortunately, I can't think of ANY way to quantifiably test this. The output when re-encoding will be 5.1 channel DTS 1.5mb regardless of what track the 5k is using for the source, so it would come down to comparisons in quality, which will be difficult to verify given the relatively high hidden track bitrate of 640kbps, along with the lack of true A/B comparison setups.

Larry

I'm really interested to hear your update on this.

Could you also tell us what the actual format of the soundtracks are on those discs? i.e. are they DTS or DD?

Thanks,

Larry

Will do! I'm going out first after work for a few drinks, hopefully later in the evening I can give it a try. I believe the soundtracks are DD.

They may also be offline, scrambling to find any store that may still have stock on units. ;)

On that note, how ironic is is that now that the unit delivers as promised, it is no longer in production? Samsung could have marketed this player to the people who got burned by the cancellation of HD-DVD AS WELL AS the rest of the market that wanted the quality of the Reon chipset and BD 1.1 capability.

Assuming that the audio dropout issues have been fixed, today the 5000 arguably became the most "viable" player on the market... and they're out of production. Until BD 2.0 support actually makes a difference (which still won't be for a while, and which I honestly don't care about), this could have remained THE flagship player to own, and with proper marketing, I think Samsung could have really cleaned up with this unit for several more months.

Larry

One thing that just struck me is that so far, it has been assumed that when in "re-encode" mode, the 5k re-encodes the TrueHD track for the spdif outputs. It's possible, however, that the unit is utilizing the hidden DD track for spdif output in BOTH audiophile AND re-encode modes. It may have simply been easier to design it this way.

In other words, it may be that when playing a TrueHD track that has a companion hidden DD track (i.e. BR discs), the 5k simply uses the hidden track for spdif output regardless of the audio output setting. If this was the case, then there would be no advantage to using the re-encode setting as I had previously assumed.

Unfortunately, I can't think of ANY way to quantifiably test this. The output when re-encoding will be 5.1 channel DTS 1.5mb regardless of what track the 5k is using for the source, so it would come down to comparisons in quality, which will be difficult to verify given the relatively high hidden track bitrate of 640kbps, along with the lack of true A/B comparison setups.

Larry

It shouldn't be hard to figure out. The hidden track of Dolby TrueHD will be Dolby Digital. The re-encoded TrueHD comes out as DTS. I think most receivers tell you if it's receiving DD or DTS (mine does).

O.K. Updated successfully... Here's what I found... I have an Onkyo 605... I am using HDMI... The receiver shows TrueHD... It shows DTS HD MA... The firmware seems to have fixed the audio dropouts that, at least, I was experiencing. So far, so good!!! I'm so glad to finally have this...


Peace...

Sorry guys. I just finished testing Rambo. I am running a 7.1 analog set up and there is no sound coming out of my rear speakers. My settings are set to bitstream audiophile and down sampling and that the other option are off. At least dolby tru hd works!

This or the LG?
See here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1034000

Both are good. It depends what you what from the player.

Sorry guys. I just finished testing Rambo. I am running a 7.1 analog set up and there is no sound coming out of my rear speakers. My settings are set to bitstream audiophile and down sampling and that the other option are off.
Surely if you've set it to bitstream it's not going to work?

Why are you bitstreaming anyway if you're using the analogue outputs? :confused:

It shouldn't be hard to figure out. The hidden track of Dolby TrueHD will be Dolby Digital. The re-encoded TrueHD comes out as DTS. I think most receivers tell you if it's receiving DD or DTS (mine does).

Unfortunately, that actually doesn't tell us the information we're looking for. If the player is in re-encode mode, the output over spdif will be 5.1 channel DTS 1.5mbps. This is the case regardless of whether the player is utilizing the TrueHD track or the hidden DD track as the source for the re-encode.

In other words, the receiver will only reveal the OUTPUT format of the 5k, which will be the same regardless of which track is being used as the actual source for the spdif re-encode. The receiver will NOT reveal what track the 5K is USING for re-encoding. It could very well be designed to ALWAYS use the hidden track for the spdif output, EVEN if it's set to re-encode.

The only thing people have been able to verify is that in audiophile mode, the player DOES appear to utilize the hidden DD track for spdif output. What I'm pointing out is that it could be utilizing the hidden track in re-encode mode as well.

Larry

Has anyone tried 24 Hz. It seems funny. I have a video processor in between. If I use 24 Hz in and 24 Hz out, there is a problem. However, if I use 24 in and 48 out (my projector accepts both 24 and 48 it is ok). May be a sync issue with the processor or something else.

Surely if you've set it to bitstream it's not going to work?

Why are you bitstreaming anyway if you're using the analogue outputs? :confused:[/QUOTE]

The digital bitstream doesn't effect the analog outputs. I am still able to get dolby tru hd and lpcm over the analogs with the audiophile bitstream on.

Just tried Pan's Labyrinth
Denon: DTS-HD MSTR : showed 7.1 channels

Live Free or Die Hard
Denon: DTS-HD MSTR: showed 5.1 channels

Both played, however, on Pan's Lab... I got some serious popping. Need to try inserting it again or something. I have no other 7.1 DTS discs that I know of to compare. Maybe its just my cable. Anyone else with same settings can try Pan's Labyrinth to verify popping?

Unfortunately, that actually doesn't tell us the information we're looking for. If the player is in re-encode mode, the output over spdif will be 5.1 channel DTS 1.5mbps. This is the case regardless of whether the player is utilizing the TrueHD track or the hidden DD track as the source for the re-encode.

In other words, the receiver will only reveal the OUTPUT format of the 5k, which will be the same regardless of which track is being used as the actual source for the spdif re-encode. The receiver will NOT reveal what track the 5K is USING for re-encoding. It could very well be designed to ALWAYS use the hidden track for the spdif output, EVEN if it's set to re-encode.

The only thing people have been able to verify is that in audiophile mode, the player DOES appear to utilize the hidden DD track for spdif output. What I'm pointing out is that it could be utilizing the hidden track in re-encode mode as well.

Larry

I see your point, and then the same question would apply to PCM output over HDMI. Remember, re-encode is basically just PCM mode with an extra step at the end to compress it for SPDIF.

So, does the player now ignore the TrueHD track and decode the hidden DD track instead? I think this is unlikely, especially since some TrueHD titles with no hidden track (HD-DVDs) are being output in 5.1 now.

Still, I won't argue that the only way to be sure you're getting the best quality is to bitstream over HDMI.

Just tried Pan's Labyrinth
Denon: DTS-HD MSTR : showed 7.1 channels

Live Free or Die Hard
Denon: DTS-HD MSTR: showed 5.1 channels
Thanks. Are you using HDMI or Analogue? Was it set to On-board decode or bitstream?

Thanks.

But remember that the 5k will only re-encode if you have the player set to do this. In audiophile mode, the TrueHD track will be output as 2 channel over spdif.

In other words, it looks like the people that use audiophile mode will have to switch to re-encode when playing HD-DVDs that only offer a TrueHD track and nothing else. This is the only situation I can see so far where the audiophile mode will not output the intended multichannel sound. BR discs don't have this problem due to the hidden DD track that the player now utilizes.

One thing to keep in mind, however, is that the re-encoded DTS 1.5mb output from a TrueHD track on a BR disc is probably higher quality than the hidden DD track that you get when selecting a TrueHD track in audiophile mode. It depends on the encoding quality of the real time DTS encoder, but I would "think" that a DTS 1.5mb encode of a TrueHD track would offer somewhat higher sound quality than the 640kbps "hidden" track. The question, therefore, is which track is used for the re-encoding -- i.e. does the 5k re-encode the decoded TrueHD track, or does it just re-encode the hidden track.

Larry

I use optical out and have always set my 5000 to bitstream audiophile. Should I now switch to re-encode for everything, or just when the DVD has a TrueHD track?

Thanks.

Rick

This might sound stupid....but.....Is there a special program that needs to be used to record the file in a cd-r disk? i have tried several and the 5K does not read the disk.

Special programme no, correct settings possibly. Try this, it's for the LG But the principle is the same (a standard CD-R/RW):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13503009&postcount=84

Obviously ignore the parts that aren't relevant. All burning software meets the same requirements so it shouldn't matter what software you use.

This might sound stupid....but.....Is there a special program that needs to be used to record the file in a cd-r disk? i have tried several and the 5K does not read the disk.

try imgburn, it's free and works great :)

Thanks. Are you using HDMI or Analogue? Was it set to On-board decode or bitstream?It said in the post title..

DTS-HD MA over HDMI (audiophile)

Also, Just put in Golden Compass
Denon: DTS-HD MSTR : showed 7.1 channels

Serious issues with this one, its outputting a crazy high level to the surrounds and almost nothing to the center channel. If I change the Denon to Direct, it seems to play fine. Not sure what the issue is. Both Golden Compass and Pan's are Newline 7.1 discs, both seems to have some audio issues for me.

Anyone else with similar issues?

Did Samsung take the update down. When I go to the support site and then the download site, they are still showing Ver. 1.2 to download. Did I miss something somewhere?

EXCELLENT point Ph8te -- I hadn't considered that. The player may indeed be accessing the hidden track for the spdif outputs. This would also bring up the question of whether or not the re-encode setting was accessing the same track as the audiophile setting when playing a TrueHD disc. I could theoretically be that the "audiophile" setting accesses the hidden track, while the "re-encode" setting decodes the TrueHD track, then encodes to DTS 1.5Mb on the fly, which would theoretically be a higher quality track.

Is there some way to verify which track is being played via the 5k's info screens? This might tell us what's going on under the hood.

Thanks,

Larry


I have two decoders: Klipsch DD/DD PL/DTS, and Pioneer SE-DIR800C wireless Dolby heaphone. Yesterday before FW update, using TrueHD track BS-Reencode would show 'DTS Surround' on Klipsch, but only play 2.1. The Pioneer has three input indicators: DD/DD_PL/DTS, and yesterday, the same input would light up *both* DD_PL AND DTS. Choosing BS Audiophile or PCM would show PCM on Klipsch [which I can choose to matrix] and DD PL on Pioneer. I tested DD TrueHD tracks on both Paprika and Remember That Night, which also came yesterday.

After FW update today, I am getting DTS Surround on Klipsch display, and only DTS [no PL] input indicator on Pioneer. I am getting sound from the rear surrounds after update. I got this refurb from Second Act yesterday; how's that for timing?

Today, I also received Fifth Element [I already had theatrical and Superbit SD versions]. This has DD-TrueHD track, and I am looking forward to testing it and Hellboy, which also came today. I am expecting some HD-DVD to arrive next week so I can complete my testing. This would be a good spot to thank all you guys for hanging in there, which gave me enough hope to pull the trigger on the SA refurb unit last week.

I can test Bitsream-Audiophile [and PCM] on TrueHD, or any other track, if you would like to me to report on what indicators light up. I expect selecting PCM will only be a PL matrix of 2.0 over my SPDIF. I would be happy to help with any testing as you guys made it possible for me to get this far.

It said in the post title..
So you did :D. I forget to check that.

On-board DTS-HD MA would be handy to find out.

Did Samsung take the update down.
Clicking on the links in the first post, it's still there.

Did Samsung take the update down. When I go to the support site and then the download site, they are still showing Ver. 1.2 to download. Did I miss something somewhere?

They probably did :mad:

I just tried updating over Internet and my player tells me I have the latest FW :confused:

Did Samsung take the update down. When I go to the support site and then the download site, they are still showing Ver. 1.2 to download. Did I miss something somewhere? Please read the thread, the site says 1.2 but the link gets the may (1.3) update.

They probably did :mad:

I just tried updating over Internet and my player tells me I have the latest FW :confused: someone posted that the CSRs said the update servers were down at some point but should be back on.. a good rule of thumb is that the day an update comes out.. its generally kind of busy.

I think others have reported it's not available over Ethernet yet.

One thing that just struck me is that so far, it has been assumed that when in "re-encode" mode, the 5k re-encodes the TrueHD track for the spdif outputs. It's possible, however, that the unit is utilizing the hidden DD track for spdif output in BOTH audiophile AND re-encode modes. It may have simply been easier to design it this way.

Then, how do you explain the case when there is no hidden DD track, i.e. certain HD DVDs? So, obviously, 5k is capable of decode trueHD 5.1 to PCM and re-encode them to DTS. If that is the case, it makes no sense to do otherwise even if there is a hidden DD track. I think Samsung engineers aren't that dumb. So far, I've seen their try their best to offer best possible audio output to all three outputs: analog, spdif and HDMI. So, I'd give them a benefit of doubt that in re-encode mode, 5k always decodes trueHD and use that to re-encode.

This might sound stupid....but.....Is there a special program that needs to be used to record the file in a cd-r disk? i have tried several and the 5K does not read the disk.

Special programme no, correct settings possibly. Try this, it's for the LG But the principle is the same (a standard CD-R/RW):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13503009&postcount=84

Obviously ignore the parts that aren't relevant. All burning software meets the same requirements so it shouldn't matter what software you use.

5K firmware file is an ISO image file. You need to burn it as disk image, not as file.

LG firmware file is truely a file and zipped (if I remember correctly).

The 5000 has always been able to update via the ethernet port. The only exception was when firmware 1.1 killed the network port.

Can i get the new firmware via the ethernet. Itryed did not work.I can not downlord it.Can i call samsung for a cd ???:confused:

Can i get the new firmware via the ethernet. Itryed did not work.I can not downlord it.Can i call samsung for a cd ???:confused:


Yes, you can call Samsung to send you a CD. But pass experiences told us (1) it takes long time to arrive (2) Samsung tends to send old firmware CDs long after new firmware posted.

Why can't you just download it and burn a CD-R yourself?

Please read the thread, the site says 1.2 but the link gets the may (1.3) update.

Sorry, in my eagerness to update I didn't read everything I should have. Got it and already updated.

I use optical out and have always set my 5000 to bitstream audiophile. Should I now switch to re-encode for everything, or just when the DVD has a TrueHD track?

Thanks.

Rick

It's somewhat of a subjective decision. As far as we know at this time, you'll technically get the "highest quality" audio in "most" situations by using the Audiophile mode. The only situation where we KNOW you'll want to use the Re-encode mode is when selecting a TrueHD track on an HD-DVD (which does not have a hidden track.) In this situation, the Re-encode mode will give you a DTS 1.5mpbs re-encode of the TrueHD track, while the "Audiophile" mode will only give you 2 channel PCM output over spdif.

Things get a bit more complicated with BR discs, however, since we don't yet know which track the 5K utilizes for re-encoding when selecting a TrueHD track.

It does appear that the 5K uses the hidden, 640kbps DD track when it's in "Audiophile" mode and a TrueHD track is selected on a BR disc. When the unit is in "Re-encode" mode, however, it isn't clear what track the 5K uses for re-encoding, which leads to the following two possibilities:

1) If the 5K decodes the TrueHD track and uses this as the source for re-encoding (like it does with HD-DVDs), than the "Re-encode" setting will be taking a very high quality track and re-encoding it to DTS at 1.5mbps. This would most likely be higher quality than the 640kbps "hidden" track, and would therefore be a higher quality than using the Audiophile mode in this situation (where we KNOW that the track would only be a maximum of 640kbps.)

2) If, on the other hand, the 5K uses the hidden DD track even when in Re-encode mode, this would mean that the output would be a DTS 1.5mbps re-encode of a 640kbps track, which would be a lower quality track compared to the original 640kbps track. If THIS is the way the 5K works, it would mean that the "Audiophile" setting was ALWAYS the higher quality setting on BR discs, even when selecting a TrueHD track.

Without knowing which track the 5K uses for re-encoding when selecting a TrueHD track on a BR disc, there is no way to know for sure which setting is technically "best" in this situation. If you just don't want to have to deal with this, use the Re-encode setting. If you want to ensure the technically highest quality sound, use Audiophile mode EXCEPT when selecting a TrueHD track on an HD-DVD disc. For TrueHD tracks on BR discs, the Re-encode mode will either give you higher quality sound, or slightly lower quality sound.

Larry

Tried Independence Day which has a DTS HD 5.1 Master Lossless Audio track. 5000 set to Audiophile. Using the analog outs. Experienced very significant crackling / popping sounds right at the beginning and then when there is some action going on, as opposed to the actors simply talking. Switch to PCM and had the same issue. Hadn't played this disk before so don't know if this is a new or old problem.

When I switch the receiver to have the sound come through the spdf / coaxil digital cable, the crackling / popping is gone.

Did not experience this problem when playing TruHD on the Fifth Element BR.

Anyone else experiencing a similar issue.

I just got off the chat with Samsung and they are going to send me a disc in the mail. I can't get the damn thing to copy at all. I've tried 5 different CD-Rs with 3 different programs. I even went out and bought DVD-Rs and it didn't work. I followed the informaiton posted in the link about the LG. I don't understand it, I've been waiting to do this since this morning. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

I just got off the chat with Samsung and they are going to send me a disc in the mail. I can't get the damn thing to copy at all. I've tried 5 different CD-Rs with 3 different programs. I even went out and bought DVD-Rs and it didn't work. I followed the informaiton posted in the link about the LG. I don't understand it, I've been waiting to do this since this morning. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

There's a good chance that the firmware they send you will be 1.2. Are you running Windows XP?

More Tests...
-HDMI on Audiophile-

Cast Away(BD)
Denon: DTS-HD MSTR: showed 5.1 channels
* no issues

Transformers (HD-DVD)
Denon: Dolby Digital +
* audio was fine, return of video issues in 24FPS mode

Is it just not detecting. You have to do "burn as image" and try to do it at the lowest speed possible. I did mine at 16x for the CDR.

5K firmware file is an ISO image file. You need to burn it as disk image, not as file.
It should be easier then, just double click on it. The settings should be stored in the ISO file but you can still check them, even using an ISO file.

LG firmware file is truely a file and zipped (if I remember correctly).
Correct. Inside the Samsung ISO will be a similar ROM file.

Please read the thread, the site says 1.2 but the link gets the may (1.3) update.
It says 1.3 for me and includes the change log. You may need to clear your Internet Cache/Cookies.

I use optical out and have always set my 5000 to bitstream audiophile. Should I now switch to re-encode for everything, or just when the DVD has a TrueHD track?
Personally I'd leave it set to DTS Re-encode, it's just simplier that way. You're unlikely to be able to tell the difference between a DD track and one converted to DTS.

DTS Re-encode will also convert TrueHD to DTS 1.5Mbps too. Even for discs which have DD/DD+ too that should sound better (presuming the DD+ isn't also 1.5Mbps). For TrueHD only discs it's obviously a must but TrueHD to DTS 1.5Mpbs should also sound better than a 640Kbps audio stream (DD and some DD+ tracks).

DTS-HD HR/MA is always a minimum of 1.5Mbps and PCM discs you'll be using the 640Kbps DD audio anyway.

I just got off the chat with Samsung and they are going to send me a disc in the mail. I can't get the damn thing to copy at all.
You're not trying to copy the ISO file to a disc are you? You need to open the file in your burning program or double click the ISO file from Explorer (or similar).

Inside the ISO file is the file that the Samsung Player needs to read. As Pboff says burning at the lowest speed possible is also a good idea.

Are you running Windows XP?
The O/S isn't important :). It's the software that provides the writing driver not O/S.

More Tests...
-HDMI on Audiophile-

Cast Away(BD)
Denon: DTS-HD MSTR: showed 5.1 channels
* no issues
Have you tried setting it to on-board decode? Does that still give you DTS-HD MA?

DTS-HD MA Bitstream has been confirmed by a few people, thanks though :).

Yes, you can call Samsung to send you a CD. But pass experiences told us (1) it takes long time to arrive (2) Samsung tends to send old firmware CDs long after new firmware posted.

Why can't you just download it and burn a CD-R yourself?

I dont know why but i cant get it to downlord or burn a cd. I also tryed a network update it told me there is no need to update :confused:I will try agian.??

Is it just not detecting. You have to do "burn as image" and try to do it at the lowest speed possible. I did mine at 16x for the CDR.

Writing speed is critical......slower is better. I use 8x-16x, anything else you get coasters with iso. images. Also don't forget to unzip the file and you are burning the Samsung5000\20080530180236312_080529_03_UP5000_XAA_RUF_ISO file.

The O/S isn't important :). It's the software that provides the writing driver not O/S.


I know, I was just going to try to simplify it for him by recommending the the Windows ISO Recorder, but not if he's running a Mac.

I dont know why but i cant get it to downlord or burn a cd.
Ah I didn't realise you couldn't even download the ISO file. Have you tried the direct link in the first post?

Also don't forget to unzip the file and you are burning the Samsung5000\20080530180236312_080529_03_UP5000_XAA_RUF_ISO file.
Then double click on it or open it in your burning program, DON'T copy the ISO file itself to a CD/DVD. That's directed at Angel btw :).

DTS-HD MA Bitstream has been confirmed by a few people, thanks though :).

I don't think he was confirming that it works. He's testing to see which DTS-HD MA discs report 5.1 and which report 7.1. There are definitely some that only contain a 5.1 track but are somehow sending a 7.1 stream. It's possible that these discs are just authored that way for some reason. I guess somebody would have to try one of the affected discs in another player to confirm.

It should work with a DVD R, correct? I extracted it to my desktop and I have a .iso file and an .ruf file. I've been trying with the .iso file to no avail.

When i hook up the ethernet cable and go to system update it states you have the latest version of firmware. But i never loaded the 1.3 update so i cant already have it. It shows s/w:080306.01_8124_0924.11xaa is this the 1.3 verson?

It should work with a DVD R, correct? I extracted it to my desktop and I have a .iso file and an .ruf file. I've been trying with the .iso file to no avail.


It should, but cd-r are what work for me. Use nero and find "burn as image" or "burn an image". Click on it and browse for the iso file to burn. And then burn at slow speed. Hope it works for you.

When i hook up the ethernet cable and go to system update it states you have the latest version of firmware. But i never loaded the 1.3 update so i cant already have it. It shows s/w:080306.01_8124_0924.11xaa is this the 1.3 verson?

No look at the date in the code. March 6th 2008 was that realease. The ethernet server will be very busy and will be slow. Burning CD is better and safer.

keep trying but is says latest version is updated no DD Truhd not popning up on the receiver. I used the ethernet for my last update I read that it might have broken the ethernet connection. If this is so why would it say latest version updated? Is there a way to erase all firmware updates and start off fresh?

It probably says latest version because you have version 1.2 and depending on your ethernet connection, Samsung may have several servers in different locations for the 1.3 download and it's not updated in your area yet? Just a thought.

Anybody in the San Fernando valley in southern california able to update via ethernet?

keep trying but is says latest version is updated no DD Truhd not popning up on the receiver. I used the ethernet for my last update I read that it might have broken the ethernet connection. If this is so why would it say latest version updated? Is there a way to erase all firmware updates and start off fresh?

It probably says latest version because you have version 1.2 and depending on your ethernet connection, Samsung may have several servers in different locations for the 1.3 download and it's not updated in your area yet? Just a thought.

Looks like John has version 1.2. I would just wait it out John until later tonight or burn a CD. I don't think there is anything wrong with your machine. The first day for ne firmware update, ethernet downloading is a gamble. So many people on it that when/if it crashes, anyone in the middle of downloading may have to make service calls. I heard some unfortunate stories during the Toshiba updates. Also guys, if you are not using a UPS (battery backup) if not always, definitely during an update. I highly recommend it.

Without knowing which track the 5K uses for re-encoding when selecting a TrueHD track on a BR disc, there is no way to know for sure which setting is technically "best" in this situation. If you just don't want to have to deal with this, use the Re-encode setting. If you want to ensure the technically highest quality sound, use Audiophile mode EXCEPT when selecting a TrueHD track on an HD-DVD disc. For TrueHD tracks on BR discs, the Re-encode mode will either give you higher quality sound, or slightly lower quality sound.

Larry

Personally I'd leave it set to DTS Re-encode, it's just simplier that way. You're unlikely to be able to tell the difference between a DD track and one converted to DTS.

DTS Re-encode will also convert TrueHD to DTS 1.5Mbps too. Even for discs which have DD/DD+ too that should sound better (presuming the DD+ isn't also 1.5Mbps). For TrueHD only discs it's obviously a must but TrueHD to DTS 1.5Mpbs should also sound better than a 640Kbps audio stream (DD and some DD+ tracks).

DTS-HD HR/MA is always a minimum of 1.5Mbps and PCM discs you'll be using the 640Kbps DD audio anyway.

Thanks guys. I guess I'll play with the settings and see what works for my ears.

Rick

Have you tried setting it to on-board decode? Does that still give you DTS-HD MA?

DTS-HD MA Bitstream has been confirmed by a few people, thanks though :). Ya.. I was one of those that confirmed it.. I was simply pointing out that it seems that DTS-HD 5.1 plays correctly.. but the DTS-HD 7.1 tracks I have tried, seem to have issues. They correctly report the track type and channels, but have audio distortions, pops, level issues.

And no, I have not tried changing the mode, it seemed like there were plenty of people who have to use onboard decoding and so would comment. I guess I can give it a try if others haven't already.

Has anyone gotten static sound coming from all channels? When you stop a movie. I currently bitstreaming all audio to Onkyo 805.

I ran the fw with a hex editor and it does show it is for the 5k I skimmed through it but found nothing related to 1500 in plain text, so it must be coded.

I used Nero at 8x with no issues using Memorex CD-RW disks on an NEC burner.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o65/freedombikesusa/1.jpg

How can you tell if a player is profile 1.1?

I used Nero at 8x with no issues using Memorex CD-RW disks on an NEC burner. I used Nero at 24x with TDK discs, also no issues.

I used Nero at 24x with TDK discs, also no issues.

I also used nero 10x recording speed and everything worked fine the first time

I used Nero at 24x with TDK discs, also no issues.

:) Now I just wish I had a player to put it in LoL!!

I must like torturing myself...:rolleyes:

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Man this is killing me I have no way to watch a BD movie tonight my psu for the PC is getting replaced by OCZ for free! so I cancelled the new egg order. I returned my 5k on the 26 only to now have a fw on the 30th, now anticipating my refurb coming around the cornor if it indeed is a 5k:o Man ever since I bought into Sam's players I must be religious or something (hoping & praying)....well at least hope has been covered now I just have to prey for a 5k. Think I'm headed to the bar.:D

Has anybody been able to confirm TrueHD bitstreaming over HDMI? Vinnie97 mentioned only DTS-MA. What about direct downloading of the firmware via the network adaptor?

I updated my firmware via the LAN and got no dice on the audio details, no True HD etc. I downloaded the ISO from the web and what a shocker...its different i.e. newer. I just flashed my player a few minutes ago, going to test it out and confirm the HD audio bitstream (audiophile).

I updated my firmware via the LAN and got no dice on the audio details, no True HD etc. I downloaded the ISO from the web and what a shocker...its different i.e. newer. I just flashed my player a few minutes ago, going to test it out and confirm the HD audio bitstream (audiophile).

Still same update as this morning, just checked. Downloaded from the web site.

Still same update as this morning, just checked. Downloaded from the web site.

People, usually the network update is a few hours to a day behind the web update...Remember the website isnt even updated correctly yet.....

I put in Fantastic Four Rise of Silver Surfer (a DTS-MA disc) and had the player set to bitstream audiophile (didn't change any other default settings) and my Denon 3808 only shows "MULT CH IN" - not "DTS-MA HD".

Anyone else?

Unfortunately, I've already discovered a bug with the new firmware. A returning bug, actually, that was originally in version 1.0 and fixed in 1.1 — those glitches at the top of the screen in Transformers when using 24hz mode have returned. :(
Drat, this is true for all Paramount titles it seems. :| Confirmed for Beowulf and Things We Lost in The Fire by myself.

I use DeepBurner on Vista machine, when loaded it give you three choices and ISO is the third one, click that, tell it which file (you do have to unpack the file) and click ok. Your done. Has to be the easiest ISO I have used (Nero is so bloated now unless you use it often its a labyrinth) - and its FREE!

I put in Fantastic Four Rise of Silver Surfer (a DTS-MA disc) and had the player set to bitstream audiophile (didn't change any other default settings) and my Denon 3808 only shows "MULT CH IN" - not "DTS-MA HD".

Anyone else?

Looks like this is normal for the 3808...I am looking into it though....

EDIT: Looks like there is an update at the Dennon website for your receiver that may fix this..

Drat, this is true for all Paramount titles it seems. :| Confirmed for Beowulf and Things We Lost in The Fire by myself.

Vinnie what about other titles? Does this only hold true for Paramount or is it all discs...

Rush Hour 3 has dts-hd master audio 7.1

I tried it after update with my Denon 4308.
Using Audiophile with hdmi 1.3 to Denon.
Denon displays DTS-HD Master (never seen that before)
And shows all 7.1 icons as well. sound is coming from everywhere and surrounds sounds louder than before!!! maybe cuz it was never sending to rears or sending same info as 5.1 ....

Seems to be working great!!!!!!!

comments?

Is it just not detecting. You have to do "burn as image" and try to do it at the lowest speed possible. I did mine at 16x for the CDR.
I used max speed on a CD-RW. ;) With a good burner, a decent application (IMGBURN) and a quality disc (Verbatim CD-RW in my case), it should run smoothly.

I used max speed on a CD-RW. ;) With a good burner, a decent application (IMGBURN) and a quality disc (Verbatim CD-RW in my case), it should run smoothly.

Yep I have to agree, I have burned all my Firmware updates at Max speed without issues.

Vinnie what about other titles? Does this only hold true for Paramount or is it all discs...
Didn't see it on the Warner, Fox or Sony discs.

Yep I have to agree, I have burned all my Firmware updates at Max speed without issues.
I can't recommend these Verbatims enough: http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getoffers.php?keyword=Verbatim%20VER95172&search=Verbatim%20VER95172

Quality CD-RWs are perfect for this purpose because you can re-use on the next update. With a CD-R, one burn/use and yer done.

I can't recommend these Verbatims enough: http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getoffers.php?keyword=Verbatim%20VER95172&search=Verbatim%20VER95172

Quality CD-RWs are perfect for this purpose because you can re-use on the next update. With a CD-R, one burn/use and yer done.

I have some old Maxell that I am using.....;)

BTW I have updated the 1st page and I am trying to keep up with everything....Please let me know if you see anything that is missing\wrong...

Looks like the BD-UP5000 and BD-P1500 are more related than we thought, and the aborted BD-UP5500 would have been a part of the family had it been born.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13982440#post13982440

-shoek

I put in Fantastic Four Rise of Silver Surfer (a DTS-MA disc) and had the player set to bitstream audiophile (didn't change any other default settings) and my Denon 3808 only shows "MULT CH IN" - not "DTS-MA HD".

Anyone else?I just tried it, my 3808 shows "DTS-HD MSTR" and the correct number of channel lights come on. You sure that your Audiophile setting is still set, sounds like you got it on PCM. As a note, I do have the latest FW for the 3808. the updated 1.69, or 1.70 as some call it.

Drat, this is true for all Paramount titles it seems. :| Confirmed for Beowulf and Things We Lost in The Fire by myself.

Sounds similar to the problem the XA2 had with AVC encodes (mainly Paramount discs) with the 2.8 firmware.

Can someone with a DTS-HD MA capable amp try setting the Samsung to on-board decode please and report back if you get DTS-HD MA as PCM or The Core?

Thanks.

How can you tell if a player is profile 1.1?
Try a Profile 1.1/Bonus View disc such as Sunshine and see if it works :).

Looks like the BD-UP5000 and BD-P1500 are more related than we thought, and the aborted BD-UP5500 would have been a part of the family had it been born.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13982440#post13982440
Thanks. That's an interesting link.

Can someone tell me if there is a difference between the optical and the coaxial output on the 5000 ? :confused:

Thanks !

Can someone tell me if there is a difference between the optical and the coaxial output on the 5000 ? :confused:

Thanks !



Nope no difference, you will get the same audio performance from both...

Thank you

!!

Can someone with a DTS-HD MA capable amp try setting the Samsung to on-board decode please and report back if you get DTS-HD MA as PCM or The Core?
I was pretty sleepy when doing this earlier in the day but I remember seeing "PCM" on my receiver's display.

Can someone with a DTS-HD MA capable amp try setting the Samsung to on-board decode please and report back if you get DTS-HD MA as PCM or The Core?

Thanks.


Brad so far by what we can figure its doing the DTS Core I believe (see 1st post).

The thing is that the information on this player is so vague, we may not even have it set up correctly. I am beginning to think more and more that those of us with Analog connections should set this to PCM not Bitstream Audiophile. By setting it to PCM, I believe we are allowing the player to decode internally and send the signal as a PCM (as it should when decoding internally). I believe the only true benefit for Bitstream Audiophile is for those with HDMI 1.3 receivers.

The one way to test this would be for someone with a 1.1\1.2 HDMI receiver to test out the difference on an TrueHD\DTS MA track and see what the receiver picks up on both cases.

In my case I have already tested and confirmed that TrueHD is multichannel now, via analogs when the player is set to Bitstream Audiophile. I will have to wait until tomorrow sometime to see if I get different results when the player is set to PCM.......

Sunshine = fixed. Navigation no longer causes any hangups...since I'm bitstreaming, I can't hear the 1.1 feature but I got the PIP video working without a hitch.
Go to the info screen from the remote during bonus image & see if the BI audio is on.

Can someone help guide me here... I D/L the new firmware, burned the ISO on a CD, inserted in the unit... It says "Verifying Firmware Version" for about 15 mins now... PLEASE tell me what I should do... Thank you!!!

I was having this same problem. I tried:

holding play until reset
unplugging until memory was wiped
re-downloading on a different PC, burning with different software, from a different brand burner, to a different brand CD-R
unplugging the network cable (in case it was trying to "verify" online)


I honestly don't know which fixed it... but as I was typing that nothing fixed it, suddenly I heard the 5K eject my firmware disc and ask me if I wanted to upgrade. :) I guess even if it's working properly, that "Verifying Firmware Version" screen is going to take a couple minutes.

Woohoo, updating now! :D I wonder, does it matter that my drive tray is open while it does this..? It wouldn't let me close it, so I'm hoping not.

EDIT: Hehe, after the update, it shut itself off with the tray still hanging open. Powered back up aaand... 080529 (1.3)! :D

Ok folks looks like I am going to change my audio set up tomorrow, I did a search over in the 1400 thread and found the following chart that may be useful to us (in its basic form) to decide what you want to use to output audio...

Remember that these 2 players use different chipsets (7411 for 1400 and 7440 for the 5K) so the capabilities are different, but I believe the basic function should be the same.....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13476446&postcount=5800


Elijah,
Look at the chart below. Compare the pros and cons of SPDIF (fiber optic) Bitstream collumn against the 5.1 analog PCM collumn. This will help you determine easily what you want out of your connection type with respect to the audio track chosen on the BD.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj194/Barney_ThePurple1/SS1400_AUDIO2.png

Has anyone tried 24 Hz. It seems funny. I have a video processor in between. If I use 24 Hz in and 24 Hz out, there is a problem. However, if I use 24 in and 48 out (my projector accepts both 24 and 48 it is ok). May be a sync issue with the processor or something else.

What video processor are you using? I am using a Lumagen Radiance XD and have found the exact same thing as you. I am assuming it is a problem with my video processor and has nothing to do with the 5000.

I just tried it, my 3808 shows "DTS-HD MSTR" and the correct number of channel lights come on. You sure that your Audiophile setting is still set, sounds like you got it on PCM. As a note, I do have the latest FW for the 3808. the updated 1.69, or 1.70 as some call it.

I forgot to recheck my settings on the 5000 (which had all been reset to default after the update). I had just taken it out of the box (from secondact) and changed the settings BEFORE I updated, so I didn't think anything about rechecking - not to mention I got called back into work before I had the chance.

Thanks

Has anyone had a problem when selecting audio option on the main menu of a BD. It seems to skip the setup option on a BD or audio option for some reason. It makes it virtually impossible to select the audio you want unless you do it on the fly.

Alright just one more problem - when Iput in Fantastic Four 2: Rise of the Silver Surfer, my player locked up on it - requiring a power down then it worked fine. When I got back from work, I changed my setings BACK to audiophile (see above) and put the disc back in. It locked up AGAIN requiring a power down - then ran fine.

It was a secondact refurb with a 12/07 build. I haven't tried any other disc because my work keeps bringing me back in. Any thoughts on this problem? Video settings are 1080p/24 for a Pioneer PRO-FHD1 (which accepts 1080p/24)

Has anyone had a problem when selecting audio option on the main menu of a BD. It seems to skip the setup option on a BD or audio option for some reason. It makes it virtually impossible to select the audio you want unless you do it on the fly.

I didnt have any issues with the discs I tried after the update, both worked normally.....

Alright just one more problem - when Iput in Fantastic Four 2: Rise of the Silver Surfer, my player locked up on it - requiring a power down then it worked fine. When I got back from work, I changed my setings BACK to audiophile (see above) and put the disc back in. It locked up AGAIN requiring a power down - then ran fine.

It was a secondact refurb with a 12/07 build. I haven't tried any other disc because my work keeps bringing me back in. Any thoughts on this problem? Video settings are 1080p/24 for a Pioneer PRO-FHD1 (which accepts 1080p/24)

Hmmmmmm almost sounds like a disc or player problem, I have never had any issues with FF:ROTS. I think this happened to people before and it was a player relted issue that needed to be sent to Samsung, I could be wrong though....

yahoo! Was busy at work and on the road and forgot to check the threads this morning. Anyhow, got done with dinner and found this nice surprise!!!

Update went without a hitch. Too chicken to attempt network update, burned image on Verbatim CD-R (the only discs I will use anymore) using a Mac with Toast (considered using Disk Utility since that is the only thing on a Mac that will work for a Toshiba update, but Toast worked for 1.2....

Be patent on the verifying firmware part, that takes quite some time and the unit is verifying the disc to make sure there are no checksum errors etc. You won't hurt anything at this phase IF it does get stuck and you have to reset. If it gets stuck in the actual write of the firmware you will end up with a PSA brick). My guess is mine took 10-20 min. to verify and less than 3 to do the actual update. It might be unpacking the files during the verify as well.

These are my observations so far:
-Much improved load time on both BD and HD. esp. with BD.
-Jumpy pop-up menus and infinite cycling is gone on Across the Universe, have not tried 3:10... yet but I assume that is fixed as well.
-most BDs I stuck in are acting more normal and displaying the right navigators in FF/RW etc.
-I am Legend no longer gives me the version selection at the first, I have to select the alternate version from the special features menu. I have an A35 well so I might be confused there, or it may be a cookie thing that i need to delete?
-I don't know if this answers the SPDIF questions or not as far as decode DDTHD and re-encode/transcode to DTS or if it is the core/hidden DD5.1. I am experiencing better sound quality with audiophile on Across the Universe than with re-encode to DTS (DTS on receiver) , but the surround content is more pronounced with audiophile (DD 5.1 on receiver) Also dialogue is louder with audiophile than re-encode. I experience the opposite with SD DVDs I.E. DTS is better all around and DD5.1 has loudness problems and dialogue that is low. I have not tried a DD5.1 SD yet, just DTS so I will have to see if I am getting different results. This might just be a loudness difference between DTS and DD5.1 as far as the sammy deals with it? I am getting information sent to all channels with both, but for some reason DTS is lower in volume.
-Just got one watching Toy Story in DTS with my son and no audio drops, pops or other issues. Seems like most DTS SDs I tried with 1.2 had some sort of glitch at some point. Have the same problem with my sammy SACD/DVD-A when playing DTS movies (not music) with it.
-HD-DVD video quality has improved significantly and is now on par with my A35, that was a criticism of this player I had when I first bought it. BDs have always looked better on this player than HD before and slightly better than HD on the A35.
-As reported by others the weird boxes that were coming up in WB HDs when selecting audio and getting to DDTHD is now gone. Also at least with HDs you get the familiar 1/4 2/4 indication so you know how many audio tracks there are like on most SD DVD players. I have only verified Lady In the Water so far. Having the 1/4 2/4... is nice that bugged me before. This also comes up with SD discs.

Can't verify audio over HDMI since I have an old Denon and don't have ad don't want the analogs hooked up, too many wires for me. DTS re-encode sounds great.

Now watching The Orphanage since I did not know it had problems. So far no issues. Have never had issues with BDs except for the drasted DDTHD bug whch is now fixed yea!

I've been waiting for this firmware update to decide on what to buy next. I have a bunch of HD DVD's that I don't want to rebuy when/if they ever get released on BR. My Yamaha RX-V1 doesn't have hdmi and only has one set of 5.1 analog inputs. I already have to switch cables when I want to listen to SACD's in surround. I didn't want to have to switch cables for HD DVD, BR, and SACD. A dual format player with at least 5.1 analog outs was the answer I was looking. I've been waiting for analog multi channel support with Dolby True HD. Thank you Samsung for finally releasing this firmware. I can't believe Samsung dropped this player knowing they would one day release this firmware. I am sure I am not the only person that was waiting for a player like this.

Anyway, I just bought this player (20 minutes ago) off of Ebay for less than $400.00 shipped. Not exactly a bargain but a good deal with all things considered. I paid almost a $1,000.00 for my Pioneer Elite SACD/DVD player almost 6 years ago! I am looking forward to getting this thing up and running.

Ok folks looks like I am going to change my audio set up tomorrow, I did a search over in the 1400 thread and found the following chart that may be useful to us (in its basic form) to decide what you want to use to output audio...

Remember that these 2 players use different chipsets (7411 for 1400 and 7440 for the 5K) so the capabilities are different, but I believe the basic function should be the same.....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13476446&postcount=5800

Dude, Barney_DaPurple1 worked very hard creating that chart for the 1400 owners. Just thought he should get credit where credit's due.
...and yes, I believe the same principles should apply to the 5000. They seem to be holding true so far.

Dude, Barney_DaPurple1 worked very hard creating that chart for the 1400 owners. Just thought he should get credit where credit's due.
...and yes, I believe the same principles should apply to the 5000. They seem to be holding true so far.

??? Thats why I included a direct link to the post where it was made...I didnt want to highjack his work without crediting where I got it from..... ;)

??? Thats why I included a direct link to the post where it was made...I didnt want to highjack his work without crediting where I got it from..... ;)

I didn't mean that you were hijacking it, just wanted to give credit. By all means, spread it around. I'm sure he would be elated. :D

How's that Clerks II glitch, Ph8? ("issue at 1:04:44 (able to duplicate going both FW/BK). Blk screen, 'freezes', then continues as normal")

How's that Clerks II glitch, Ph8? ("issue at 1:04:44 (able to duplicate going both FW/BK). Blk screen, 'freezes', then continues as normal")

You know, I totally forgot to test that one :o...I was so happy about th eother stuff that, I didnt put it in.....

Ill test it out tomorrow and let you know......

EDIT:
Also, since we do have a decoder, I wish we were able to test the DTS-MA decoding abilities, per the chart earlier since the 1400 doesnt have the decoder it is extracted as DTS core...Since we have the decoder, I wonder if there is any difference in the way that it is handled (or any way to tell)...I am going to switch to PCM tomorrow and see if anything changes over analogs.... I have a feeling though that we are still only getting the DTS core, but its something to wish for :)

So far I have tested one disc where I have had an audio dropout, so far so good. I want to do more test before I get my hopes up.

Friday I bought the Samsung UP5000 and after set up was done I don't have any sound. I have a JVC 5.1 Dolby Digital & DTS Amplifier. I tried both Optical and Coaxial output. On player I tried all 3 Digital Outputs. Even my TV connected via HDMI has no sound.
I have no problems with my Toshiba HD A3 via Optical and LG up-converter via Coaxial. New Firmware was downloaded via Ethernet. Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong or do I have a faulty player?

Friday I bought the Samsung UP5000 and after set up was done I don't have any sound. I have a JVC 5.1 Dolby Digital & DTS Amplifier. I tried both Optical and Coaxial output. On player I tried all 3 Digital Outputs. Even my TV connected via HDMI has no sound.
I have no problems with my Toshiba HD A3 via Optical and LG up-converter via Coaxial. New Firmware was downloaded via Ethernet. Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong or do I have a faulty player?

Its either the player or the connection.......I dont think I have seen this occur before on any 5K to date........

I would retest everything and verify settings\connections before jumping to conclusions though...

A correction. re-encode seems to sound better, but audiophile seems to be louder and have more surround content. I'm sure after testing on BD and HD that this is a loudness difference. Testing Tomb Raider on HD now and the DD+ track is louder and sounds better than the DTS-HD track. This is opposite that what I remember with FW 1.2. This is all with SPDIF (coax in my case) and re-encode. Haven't tried to mess with audiophile vrs. re-encode. This is not a DDTHD disc anyhow.

Not having any of the 24fps menu problems with Paramount HDs as reported in the main thread. I have a ton of them from '06,'07 and '08 and all that I have tried are fine on my setup. Things we lost... was one of them reported, mine is just fine. That is why TR is in the player now. It is a resurfaced disc and has a haze on it, but it plays just fine. I am amazed at how bad a disc can be visually, but will still play fine on HD. If I had a DVD that looked like this, it would probably just spit it out.

I have the latest model Samsung DLP with full 24fps support so that may be the difference. I did have the 24fps menu issues listed with BD titles. I will have to look those up and see if there are still issues.

Also before with 1.2 playing DTS SD discs. If I messed around and loaded and re-loaded the disc I would eventually get the player to freeze. Can't seem to do that now. I have an old Discwasher test and set-up disc that was the first SD that I used in this player after 1.2 upgrade and that disc toasted the player when I tried DTS 96/24 and I had to power plug reset (the only major issue I have had with it and I have ran a ton of BDs through it, not so many HDs and SDs). I can't seem to kill it now.

I think there are some VERY minor bug fixes that need to be done to this release as reported labels wrong on HDMI, 7.1 on PCM etc. being reported when really 5.1 really minor stuff.

It might just be a placebo effect, but I swear that SD video quality is better now also. Course I watched Toy Story and that is probably the best mastered SD title out there that I know of. No HD of that exists and I don't think you need it, looks like HD to me. Better than most of the early HD and BDs.

Not having any of the 24fps menu problems with Paramount HDs as reported in the main thread. I have a ton of them from '06,'07 and '08 and all that I have tried are fine on my setup. Things we lost... was one of them reported, mine is just fine. That is why TR is in the player now. It is a resurfaced disc and has a haze on it, but it plays just fine. I am amazed at how bad a disc can be visually, but will still play fine on HD. If I had a DVD that looked like this, it would probably just spit it out.

I have the latest model Samsung DLP with full 24fps support so that may be the difference. I did have the 24fps menu issues listed with BD titles. I will have to look those up and see if there are still issues.
Thanks for your report...it must be down to the display. On an LN-T4665F (LCD) that will accept 24fps input but not actually take advantage of it since the refresh rate is hardcoded at 60hz, I get this flickering. Maybe this is Samsung's subtle way of telling me to upgrade the TV or keep the player at 60fps. :o