I recently bought a Panny AX200U and so far have been unimpressed with the quality over my PT-L500U. Of corse the AX200U is brighter and has better colors but the screen door effect seems more noticable then my L500U. Panning shots seems to be the worst in terms of pixels showing. HD TV seems to be a slight stepdown too, but the real problem is with standard definition TV, its unwatchable. The picture seems to be very blocky with a lot of noise and distortion, whereas the L500U looks good enogh to sit through a whole movie.

Are newer model projectors bad with displaying standard TV? I still cant understand why a 4 year old projector looks slighty better in everyway then my 3 day old one with better specs in every way. Any help on this matter would be greatly appericiated.

I recently bought a Panny AX200U and so far have been unimpressed with the quality over my PT-L500U. Of corse the AX200U is brighter and has better colors but the screen door effect seems more noticable then my L500U. Panning shots seems to be the worst in terms of pixels showing. HD TV seems to be a slight stepdown too, but the real problem is with standard definition TV, its unwatchable. The picture seems to be very blocky with a lot of noise and distortion, whereas the L500U looks good enogh to sit through a whole movie.

Are newer model projectors bad with displaying standard TV? I still cant understand why a 4 year old projector looks slighty better in everyway then my 3 day old one with better specs in every way. Any help on this matter would be greatly appericiated.

what r u using 4 source components and how r they wired up-hdmi, component, s vid, etc?
have u calibrated pj yet?

what r u using 4 source components and how r they wired up-hdmi, component, s vid, etc?
have u calibrated pj yet?

Completly forgot the sources. The L500U was hooked up HDMI to DVI,and the AX200U is HDMI to HDMI, both from the same comcast HD reciever. The HD movies were played from the xbox hd dvd player via component and VGA. I did do a small calibration and it helped a little bit, but the pixels still show.

Would a DLP projector eliminate these problems? Or should I just make the move up to 1080p?

what r u using 4 source components and how r they wired up-hdmi, component, s vid, etc?
have u calibrated pj yet?

I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but I'll never understand why people typing something on an internet forum use those stupid abbreviations like "r" and "u". How difficult is it to type 3 characters? That's right up there with people that move to the US and can't speak english. :mad:

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I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but I'll never understand why people typing something on an internet forum use those stupid abbreviations like "r" and "u". How difficult is it to type 3 characters? That's right up there with people that move to the US and can't speak english. :mad:

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Its all part of the texting generation, BTW did your ancestors speak english when they came over?

Its all part of the texting generation, BTW did your ancestors speak english when they came over?

Yes sir! Before they left Sicily they learned english. The other half of my family came from England so I guess they invented english. :)

I have some experince with the AX200, and really have not seen any of the isuues you are experiencing.

I'm not sure what's goingon with yours. Much of the stuff your complaining about sound like source issues. Maybe the old projector just did not reveal the source issues well. A blessing is disquise?

I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but I'll never understand why people typing something on an internet forum use those stupid abbreviations like "r" and "u". How difficult is it to type 3 characters? That's right up there with people that move to the US and can't speak english. :mad:

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i do it cuz it gives me great pleasure!:cool:
plus it gives peeps something to talk 'bout.:rolleyes:

Its all part of the texting generation, BTW did your ancestors speak english when they came over?

i wouldnt know how to text something even it came up and bit me in the a$$:eek:!
dont have a cell phone or what ever they use.
this is vermont; we just barely got 'lectricity!

i wouldnt know how to text something even it came up and bit me in the a$$:eek:!
dont have a cell phone or what ever they use.
this is vermont; we just barely got 'lectricity!

You are lucky. My daughter got a cell phone at 13 and that was late compared to all of her friends. We heard over and over again that all her friends had cell phones. We kept telling her if all her friends had phones then there was always one available. Heck many of my sons friends (8 years old) have cell phones. It is ridicules.

You are lucky. My daughter got a cell phone at 13 and that was late compared to all of her friends. We heard over and over again that all her friends had cell phones. We kept telling her if all her friends had phones then there was always one available. Heck many of my sons friends (8 years old) have cell phones. It is ridicules.

LOL! i agree. i just refuse to get one. altho, i may break down and get one for car breakdowns/emergancies. there arent too many pay phones around anymore.

This model is designed with smooth screen technology to eliminate screen door effects. I have had my AX200 for about 300 hours now sitting about 12 feet back and see no screen door at all.There is some subtle vertical banding present (see other posts on this subject), otherwise I have been very happy with my projector. It's not perfect, but at the price it offers remarkable performance. Combined with my Carada BW 106 inch screen, I have a terrific HT setup for the same price as a typical 46 inch lcd flat panel.

How far back are you sitting? How big is your screen? SD tv blown up is going to show far more artifacts than on a smaller screen. Cable SD is not very good in many cases. Time Warner has recently added many HD channels in my area. Combined with my PS3, Toshiba hd-dvd player and Xbox 360, I rarely view SD.

I wish you the best of luck with your setup.

Completly forgot the sources. The L500U was hooked up HDMI to DVI,and the AX200U is HDMI to HDMI, both from the same comcast HD reciever. The HD movies were played from the xbox hd dvd player via component and VGA. I did do a small calibration and it helped a little bit, but the pixels still show.

Would a DLP projector eliminate these problems? Or should I just make the move up to 1080p?

sorry, wish i could think of something else. something needs adjusting but im not sure what.

...the screen door effect seems more noticable then my L500U. Panning shots seems to be the worst in terms of pixels showing. HD TV seems to be a slight stepdown too, but the real problem is with standard definition TV, its unwatchable. The picture seems to be very blocky with a lot of noise and distortion, whereas the L500U looks good enogh to sit through a whole movie...

There is something VERY wrong with your setup if you can see SDE and pixels at NORMAL viewing distances. I literally have to stand less than one foot away from my 106" screen before I see pixels and SDE from my AX-200.

There is something VERY wrong with your setup if you can see SDE and pixels at NORMAL viewing distances. I literally have to stand less than one foot away from my 106" screen before I see pixels and SDE from my AX-200.

Looks like Tank has not a clue.The ax200 has the smoothest pic their is.Either your standing outside and looking though a screen door or you have a bad fp or just do not know what your doing.:rolleyes:

Sorry for the late reply, the video is coming in over hdmi from a comcast hd box and ps3. The screen is 100" and I sit 13' away. I have 20/15 vision and can see pixelation on somefast paced scenes, but not on still ones. Maybe it is just me? My girlfriend cannot notice it, but her vision is not all that good. After more calibration I seem to have it looking good, but after using a few test patterns I see the panels are misaligned by 3+ pixels on red going vertical and blue 2+ horizontal. Even at 13' away I can see this on end credits.

Anyone else have misaligned panels on their ax200, and how did you go about handling it?

All HD broadcasts from sources 'other' than HD discs show compression artifacts like you describe because of the reduced bandwidth to squeeze as many channels as possible. This will show up as pixelation on rapid moving scenes.

I have an AX200 and have never noticed any problems with the image. I also see the same problems on my Sharp 20000 and a JVC RS2 I just bought so it is not the projector that is the problem.

All HD broadcasts from sources 'other' than HD discs show compression artifacts like you describe because of the reduced bandwidth to squeeze as many channels as possible. This will show up as pixelation on rapid moving scenes.

I have an AX200 and have never noticed any problems with the image. I also see the same problems on my Sharp 20000 and a JVC RS2 I just bought so it is not the projector that is the problem.

I need more Blu-ray movies for better testing on that, the only movies I own right now are non action type so it is hard to compare. You are right about the HD broadcasts, they are compressed too much (Dont get me started on Comcast's crappy service) which most likely is my problem with pixelation.

There is something VERY wrong with your setup if you can see SDE and pixels at NORMAL viewing distances. I literally have to stand less than one foot away from my 106" screen before I see pixels and SDE from my AX-200.

I can see them from two feet from a 10.5ft wide screen, I don't knwo waht that is in diagonal inches. Anyway, SDTV looks not great, but certainly not brutal on my AX200. It is digital TV, not analog, but still nowhere near HD, and still very watchable, as long as you're not a total picture snob, which nobody here is. We're projecting onto a yellow wall, and we see no reason to hurry into buying a screen, it looks that good as is.

There's no doubt about it - Comcast HD doesn't look all that hot on a 100" screen with any projector. The compression artifacts are there, and in great quantity. Pop in a well-mastered Blu-Ray and I bet most of your issues with the projector are going to disappear.

Yes, there's a little bit of SDE, but at 13' it should be impossible to see. We -are- talking about the same thing, right? SDE is the slight dark lines between pixels, caused by the gaps in the LCD between pixels. Forgive me if I am over-simplifying it, but I was reading somewhere else that somebody thought SDE had something to do with motion compensation or "tearing" of an image due to incompatible refresh rate - and it's not.

Greg

The SDTV looking bad on the AX200 confuses me. I have a Panny AE900u, and SDTV looks better than ANY plasma or LCD I've ever seen, even the Sony XBR LCDs.

Did they change the built-in scaler on the new Pannys?

And screen-door effect? The Panny projectors have Smoothscreen technology and are widely known to have less screen door than pretty much every other projector out there.

I'm not going to come out and call the OP a troll, but pretty much everything he is saying flys in the face of my personal experience. :confused:

The SDTV looking bad on the AX200 confuses me. I have a Panny AE900u, and SDTV looks better than ANY plasma or LCD I've ever seen, even the Sony XBR LCDs.

Did they change the built-in scaler on the new Pannys?

And screen-door effect? The Panny projectors have Smoothscreen technology and are widely known to have less screen door than pretty much every other projector out there.

I'm not going to come out and call the OP a troll, but pretty much everything he is saying flys in the face of my personal experience. :confused:

Sorry for the confusion but we narrowed it down that the pixelation is from the bad HDTV source. After watching a few more so called "HDTV" movies through the HDTV receiver, you can see the picture quality is worse on fast moving scenes. Maybe this is just the cable company cutting corners to save bandwidth.

Now I am on the task to get these misaligned panels fixed, I never knew it was such an issue in LCD projectors since my older L500 is aligned just fine. My main reason for this thread is the let down on moving to a new Panny PJ from a 4 year old one. I do like the extra lumens, but maybe I expected too much. I guess my next PJ will be DLP.