Oh by the way. The Extreme Contrast looks fantastic. I just hope it is what those pictures are displaying.

Pioneer never was deceptive imo, they stated 20:000:1 ratio, i knew it was not going to be true black. But this years 9g, with immesurable blacks, 100:000:1+, i gotta see.

The above is Pioneer's own demo so enough with the camera flash excuses.

Now looking back we can see that the 8g was far from perfect. I noticed that a long time ago. I tried to warned avs'ers about the marketing Pioneer was doing, claming that the 8g had immeasurablee blacks and calling it a SED killer. We can see now, by Pioneer's own admission, was deceptive marketing.

That is what annoys me about Pioneer.What is the shutter speed of the the XBR8 vs "Pioneer" picture?

No one knows that info but we all know the 8G vs ECC shutter speed was 6 seconds.

Can you research that info first....then maybe you'll have some ground to complain about Pioneer's Marketing :)

Is it more annoying than Canon and Toshiba promising you SED, when in fact SED will never come to market? Gotta hurt...I feel your pain :p

You know that litigation stopped SED. Just think where SED would be right now. It would have been through the stratosphere.

Pioneer never was deceptive imo, they stated 20:000:1 ratio, i knew it was not going to be true black. But this years 9g, with immesurable blacks, 100:000:1+, i gotta see.

Yes they were deceptive, originally, they later came back and cleaned it up.

You know that litigation stopped SED. Just think where SED would be right now. It would have been through the stratosphere.What would have been is not the same as what will be. Neither of us can said how SED would look right now. However, based on the last prototypes, SED has been surpassed by current and future plasma tech.

I think you are in denial and need to take heed to your own words:


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13938027&postcount=215

The above is Pioneer's own demo so enough with the camera flash excuses.

Now looking back we can see that the 8g was far from perfect. I noticed that a long time ago. I tried to warned avs'ers about the marketing Pioneer was doing, claming that the 8g had immeasurablee blacks and calling it a SED killer. We can see now, by Pioneer's own admission, was deceptive marketing.

That is what annoys me about Pioneer.

That picture was to help show off the concept....they did not want the 8g to look its' best.
You continually show your lack of first hand knowledge with 8g kuro's and clearly have never owned one yet know it all.
And if you are even joking that that picture looks anything like the blue screen pics from the last few days you and xbr8 are tossing around that is hilarious.

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SonyYes, I realize Sony knows how many dimming zones they manufactured. The question is how would you know if Sony hasn't yet released that information?

Got this from the 9g forum, unfortunately, looks just like the pic from the Sony shootout.

http://www.twhq.com/picture/151q.jpg

Please try again.
If you go into the thread that this picture was posted, you will see a few posts after this picture, one of the other members ask the guy who posted the picture "if it was with the TV off?".

the guy who posted the Picture responded by saying "NO, It is with the break-in disk playing". The break-in disk shows a full blue screen.
So that is not what a 9G looks like powered off!

here ya go:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14097105#post14097105

The question is how would you know if Sony hasn't yet released that information?The same way I know about Pioneer's models BEFORE they announce/release info

Pioneer never was deceptive imo, they stated 20:000:1 ratio, i knew it was not going to be true black. But this years 9g, with immesurable blacks, 100:000:1+, i gotta see.

I have to agree with Auditor on this one Zues. As nice as the Kuros are, the 8Gs were touted to be more than they really are. Immeasurable blacks? We all know that's not the case. But worse than this is Panasonic and Samsung claiming 1,000,000:1 CR for their current panels. Yeah right! :rolleyes:

Unfortunately people in marketing have renamed the term lie with good business. And it's not just Pioneer anymore, it's all too common. The only company off the top of my head I can think of that doesn't over exaggerate is Harman Kardon with their power ratings. Sad but true.

Yes, I realize Sony knows how many dimming zones they manufactured. The question is how would you know if Sony hasn't yet released that information?

People get things and info. before others and national releases....look at games and movies.

Getting back to the topic at hand.

I think the evidence is overwhelming that the pictures of the plasma is those shots is the Kuro.

Based upon those pictures we can now see that LCD has officially closed the black level performance over the Kuro as the Kuro still glows in the dark.

I guess we need to wait for the 10g, maybe not, as some LCD might achieve Extreme Contrast (even with actual content being displayed) before Pioneer does.

This achievement by Sony is not good news for Pioneer or PDP manufacturers in general as LCD is already the overwhelming choice of the global HDTV purchasing market.

No. I was more concerned with the grid structure than the total number RGB LEDs.

It's going to be very interesting to see how the XBR8's handle LD LED grid crosstalk.

Do a google search and/or search the plasma forum.

Found this

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=890780

But they say the 8g Kuro had 5 Lumen effiecncy?

Getting back to the topic at hand.

I think the evidence is overwhelming that the pictures of the plasma is those shots is the Kuro.

Based upon those pictures we can now see that LCD has officially closed the black level performance over the Kuro as the Kuro still glows in the dark.

I guess we need to wait for the 10g, maybe not, as some LCD might achieve Extreme Contrast (even with actual content being displayed) before Pioneer does.

This achievement by Sony is not good news for Pioneer or PDP manufacturers in general as LCD is already the overwhelming choice of the global HDTV purchasing market.

Pretty sure Chevy and Ford sell more cars than Lexus, but it doesn't make it better. Regular DVD players sell more than Blu Ray players but it doesn't make it better. The nice thing is, we have choices. When there are no longer any plasma displays available then you can spew your plasma dead mantra but until that time some of us will just kick back and enjoy the technology for what it brings. Which is a damn nice picture. :D

Found this

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=890780

But they say the 8g Kuro had 5 Lumen effiecncy?

Yep. Kuro had 5lm/w efficiency already in 2007:

Pioneer is already at 5watts. That is why their PDPs max power ratings are lower than Panasonics..

And Pioneer will again introduce 5lm/w in 2009:

If this is the case, then the 5 lumen plasmas that Pioneer... are bringing to market in 2009

:cool:

Yep. Kuro had 5lm/w efficiency already in 2007:



And Pioneer will again introduce 5lm/w in 2009:



:cool:

You're working way to hard at this sonyxbr8. If your choice is to purchase a Sony XBR8 then great. Let us know how it works out for you when you actually get it, but until then, no reason to be so upset over another technology or brand of TV. That's what makes this great. We all have choices.

no reason to be so upset over another technology or brand of TV. That's what makes this great. We all have choices.

I'm fan of good picture, not display technology or brand. If I see good picture, I'll appreciate it.

Pretty sure Chevy and Ford sell more cars than Lexus, but it doesn't make it better. Regular DVD players sell more than Blu Ray players but it doesn't make it better. The nice thing is, we have choices. When there are no longer any plasma displays available then you can spew your plasma dead mantra but until that time some of us will just kick back and enjoy the technology for what it brings. Which is a damn nice picture. :D

Lexus are good cars, I considered purchasing one but found them to be overpriced and too expensive to maintain.

Anyway, I agree you should kick back and enjoy what the technology brings, but it seems some Kuro fans have a hard time doing that. They seem hell bent on turning the Forum into continuous Kuro coronation.

then it's an oxymoron when you're even thinking about getting an XBR8 because even slightly off axis the picture quality drops severely. This is inherent with any LCD panel on the market.

then it's an oxymoron when you're even thinking about getting an XBR8 because even slightly off axis the picture quality drops severely. This is inherent with any LCD panel on the market.

I don't watch my displays off angle, so viewing angles are non-issue for me. LED LCD might benefit from s-ips panel if you are looking for wider viewing angles.

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