Hello to all in this part of the AVS forum..
I've decide to learn to calibrate my Samsung H-710 myself and I've been reading..reading..reading, I've ordered the Eye-One Lt, downloaded the Color and Greyscale primer for Dummies, plus Wikipedia has been my friend too, in an attempt to understand this vast area.
One quick question before I even get started...I don't have a tint control on my pj and I wondered if an accurate calibration can be obtained without it?. Thanks for any input!
Warren

Greetings

Ideally, tint controls are not supposed to be needed on component and HDMI connections. So feed it good source material and you won't need it. :)

Greetings

Ideally, tint controls are not supposed to be needed on component and HDMI connections. So feed it good source material and you won't need it. :)
Thank you!, I am using an HDMI connection, but on reviewing DVE disk, tint control was mentioned to get accurate color adjustments, which is the reason for my question...so..excellent..I'll move on!
Warren

Greetings

Some TVs still give us Tint on HDMI for instance ... to deal with bad source material.

We do, however, not calibrate our displays to bad material. The lowest common denominator.

Regards

Hello to all in this part of the AVS forum..
I've decide to learn to calibrate my Samsung H-710 myself and I've been reading..reading..reading, I've ordered the Eye-One Lt, downloaded the Color and Greyscale primer for Dummies, plus Wikipedia has been my friend too, in an attempt to understand this vast area.
One quick question before I even get started...I don't have a tint control on my pj and I wondered if an accurate calibration can be obtained without it?. Thanks for any input!
Warren

Warren,

Even without a tint control, you can still use your Eye-One Display (along with a calibration disc such as GetGray or AVS HD709 ) to help you calibrate your other basic settings and your grayscale if you have grayscale controls available. All the tint control does on most displays is affect your secondaries (in unison - so for example, make cyan better, yellow and/or magenta may get worse).

hope this helps,


--tom

Warren,

Even without a tint control, you can still use your Eye-One Display (along with a calibration disc such as GetGray or AVS HD709 ) to help you calibrate your other basic settings and your grayscale if you have grayscale controls available. All the tint control does on most displays is affect your secondaries (in unison - so for example, make cyan better, yellow and/or magenta may get worse).

hope this helps,


--tom
Tom,
Good to know I can still use the Eye-One as I'm waiting for it to arrive! :D, I've got DVE HD for Blu-ray as I plan to use my PS3, but I'll also download & burn the others you suggested. I've seen tint on so many TV's, I wondered why not on my PJ..so thanks to you and Michael TLV for your input!.
Warren

It may also depend on what you're feeding the display. You'll almost never get tint or color saturation controls if you feed a display RGB, obviously.

If you fed it composite though, or usually component, it'll probably be there.

But again, unless the color decoder is wrong or wrongly set, you shouldn't need to adjust these parameters. And even with color saturation and balance controls, you can't fix a wrong color decoder anyway, though thankfully that is becoming less mainstream in displays.

Tom,
Good to know I can still use the Eye-One as I'm waiting for it to arrive! :D, I've got DVE HD for Blu-ray as I plan to use my PS3, but I'll also download & burn the others you suggested. I've seen tint on so many TV's, I wondered why not on my PJ..so thanks to you and Michael TLV for your input!.
Warren

Warren,

as Chris mentioned, you may have a Tint control but it is grayed out perhaps because you're sending the display RGB over HDMI from your source. Some displays will not allow changes to Color and Tint if RGB is being sent - interestingly enough, my Samsung LCD does not behave this way. Color and Tint are still adjustable and work as expected. In the end, it all depends on how the software engineers implemented things. In my case, they are probably doing an internal RGB->YCbCr->RGB encoding/decoding step. In your case, they may simply have left off the Tint control. Do you have a Color control?

cheers,


--tom

Warren,

as Chris mentioned, you may have a Tint control but it is grayed out perhaps because you're sending the display RGB over HDMI from your source. Some displays will not allow changes to Color and Tint if RGB is being sent - interestingly enough, my Samsung LCD does not behave this way. Color and Tint are still adjustable and work as expected. In the end, it all depends on how the software engineers implemented things. In my case, they are probably doing an internal RGB->YCbCr->RGB encoding/decoding step. In your case, they may simply have left off the Tint control. Do you have a Color control?

cheers,


--tom
Tom,
Yes, I have color control and tint is not even a grayed out option, it's simply not there. So I'll be working with brightness, contrast, color and sharpness on one menu and I also have individual controls for RGB-Gain and RGB-Offset. I'm not too sure what the RGB gain and offset will do for me as yet but I'll search it here and on Wikipedia tomorrow. Also, yes, I am using HDMI out of my PS3 to my Sammy....Ok, I understand what RGB-Gain will do...will research Offset tomorrow.
Warren

Hello to all in this part of the AVS forum..
I've decide to learn to calibrate my Samsung H-710 myself and I've been reading..reading..reading, I've ordered the Eye-One Lt, downloaded the Color and Greyscale primer for Dummies, plus Wikipedia has been my friend too, in an attempt to understand this vast area.
One quick question before I even get started...I don't have a tint control on my pj and I wondered if an accurate calibration can be obtained without it?. Thanks for any input!
Warren

If you read Grayscale for Dummies, you should know what RGB gain and RGB offset is. You should know what a gain and an offset are. You should know what Red Gain is, Blue Gain, Green Offset, Red Offset. Put them all together in 1 control and you have RGB gain and RGB offset. If you don't have or can't find individual controls fo Red Gain, Green Gain, Blue Gain and Red Offset, Green Offset, and Blue Offset, your meter isn't going to be much help. You'll be able to measure what the projector is doing, but you won't be able to make it much better without the individual gain and offset controls.

If you read Grayscale for Dummies, you should know what RGB gain and RGB offset is. You should know what a gain and an offset are. You should know what Red Gain is, Blue Gain, Green Offset, Red Offset. Put them all together in 1 control and you have RGB gain and RGB offset. If you don't have or can't find individual controls fo Red Gain, Green Gain, Blue Gain and Red Offset, Green Offset, and Blue Offset, your meter isn't going to be much help. You'll be able to measure what the projector is doing, but you won't be able to make it much better without the individual gain and offset controls.
Thanks Doug,
Yes, I found the explanations of my individual RGB controls, thanks for your post as I didn't see the forest for all the trees. Kinda overwhelming at first!
Warren

Thanks Doug,
Yes, I found the explanations of my individual RGB controls, thanks for your post as I didn't see the forest for all the trees. Kinda overwhelming at first!
Warren

Yes, there absolutely is a lot to absorb. Easy to get flummoxed in the beginning! The best thing? You can go back into the settings as often as needed to re-tweak to make the projector look better. And every time you do, you'll get better at something or learn something new.