Maybe if they can guarantee that there won't be a single stuck pixel on any of the Sigs then I'll believe the hype. Otherwise this "handpicked components" BS sounds exactly like that ... BS.

It ain't gonna happen. No matter how well built/QCed, no body can absolutely guarantee not one stuck pixel. Hype or not, considering millions of pixels in a high-def plasma, even 99.99999% guarantee still leave the possibility of one or a few stuck pixels. Life's a gamble ... if you don't like the odds, don't play the game.

It ain't gonna happen. No matter how well built/QCed, no body can absolutely guarantee not one stuck pixel. Hype or not, considering millions of pixels in a high-def plasma, even 99.99999% guarantee still leave the possibility of one or a few stuck pixels. Life's a gamble.Six sigma = 3.4 defects per million. I would assume all flat panel manufacturers are at this level with regards to subpixel defects. If you want a panel that is guaranteed to have zero subpixel defects then you are looking at Ten+ sigma which to my knowledge only the airline industry requires with regards to safety. Losing baggage is more like 3-4 sigma :)

On the other hand, the buzzing and blotching issues could really use some process improvements IMO. They seem to be running in the 2 - 3 sigma level as well.

Since the blotching issue gets better over time it would make sense that it is due to the deposition of materials into the pixels (MgO, phosphor).

OK, damn it. I'm cancelling my existing order for the 151 and getting the 141.
Anyone know if BestBuy/Mag will carry the 141? The few locations I've contacted did not know.
Also, I realize the 141 will be thinner than the 151. However, will it have the same overall width and height as the 151? I hope so.

Looking for specs as well...final cabinetry build started this morning!!



...ZB

Looking for specs as well...final cabinetry build started this morning!!



...ZB

Considering they are using the same PDP module I would assume only the depth has changed. From the off-angle shot I have seen the bezel didn't look any narrower in width so I would just use the the 111/151 dimensions for height and width.

OK, damn it. I'm cancelling my existing order for the 151 and getting the 141.
Anyone know if BestBuy/Mag will carry the 141? The few locations I've contacted did not know.
Also, I realize the 141 will be thinner than the 151. However, will it have the same overall width and height as the 151? I hope so.

I spoke to a few Pioneer reps about this at Robert's shoot-out on Saturday, and MHT distribution has not yet been decided. They were pretty confident that it would not be on display (and why would it), but they couldn't tell me if BB would be carrying the 141, or the Kuro projector. I have a feeling they won't be.

I spoke to a few Pioneer reps about this at Robert's shoot-out on Saturday, and MHT distribution has not yet been decided. They were pretty confident that it would not be on display (and why would it), but they couldn't tell me if BB would be carrying the 141, or the Kuro projector. I have a feeling they won't be.

Well, isn't this just special. :mad:

We have dealers on this thread basically saying "Please, don't talk about the 200/250 mile rule here".

Meanwhile, I live in Los Angeles and none of the Forum sponsors that I know of are within 250 miles of me.

So I can't call up, say, an Elite dealer (in, oh, Colorado for example :D ) that actually offers a decent price and get one of these bad boys from them?

So in other words, if I want a 141, that leaves me with two choices:

(1) Best Buy/Magnolia Home Theater - meaning pay MSRP - oh wait, now the above poster is implying BB/MHT won't carry it

(2) Local LA Elite dealers (like Ken Crane's), who also essentially charge MSRP

Gee, pay MSRP (if it's even carried) or pay MSRP ... nothing like choice :rolleyes:

Looking for specs as well...final cabinetry build started this morning!!...ZB

Believe it or not, I had my custom cabinetry built over 2 years ago for the Pio 60"er. I think Pioneer had just released the 6070 model at that time. Ended up never getting the panel. However, now that is about to change.



I spoke to a few Pioneer reps about this at Robert's shoot-out on Saturday, and MHT distribution has not yet been decided. They were pretty confident that it would not be on display (and why would it), but they couldn't tell me if BB would be carrying the 141, or the Kuro projector. I have a feeling they won't be.

Thanks. Sure hope BB will carry it. My current order for the 151 is with BB. It would be nice to just cancel and replace that order with the 141. Since the two have the same MSRP, the manager at BB should allow me to purchase the 141 for the same price that I paid for the 151.

We have dealers on this thread basically saying "Please, don't talk about the 200/250 mile rule here".


The reason this is stated many times is that we have different opinions and some will do it some wont, just call around.

Believe it or not, I had my custom cabinetry built over 2 years ago for the Pio 60"er. I think Pioneer had just released the 6070 model at that time. Ended up never getting the panel. However, now that is about to change.





Thanks. Sure hope BB will carry it. My current order for the 151 is with BB. It would be nice to just cancel and replace that order with the 141. Since the two have the same MSRP, the manager at BB should allow me to purchase the 141 for the same price that I paid for the 151.

Believe me If anyone gets the Signature Series it will be Magnolia, it is Pioneers biggest account.

Believe me If anyone gets the Signature Series it will be Magnolia, it is Pioneers biggest account.
Thanks. That's what I was thinking as well. I cannot see how any other Elite dealer can outsell BB/Mag, in terms of volume. I think Pioneer would be shooting themselves in the foot, if they did not use BB/Mag as a sales channel. Afterall, Mag is geared towards the "high end, custom" market.

Just thought of something. Since the 141 uses a smaller power supply, does this mean it will have a lower overall brightness than the 151 (or 6020)? I read through this entire thread but there was nothing mentioned about this subject. I realize it's probably too early to say for sure. However, perhaps the insiders have some info on this.

Just thought of something. Since the 141 uses a smaller power supply, does this mean it will have a lower overall brightness than the 151 (or 6020)? I read through this entire thread but there was nothing mentioned about this subject. I realize it's probably too early to say for sure. However, perhaps the insiders have some info on this.

I am not an insider but I think when they are talking about a smaller power supply they mean that it does not have to power the tuners or and internal amplifier. I can not imagine them compromising the brightness on this panel

Easy there... are you talking about this post?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14335788#post14335788


wtf? I asked a question about the physical specs yesterday and now the post got deleted?????

Easy there... are you talking about this post?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14335788#post14335788

sigh too many Pioneer threads to follow :( Thanks russ.

Believe me If anyone gets the Signature Series it will be Magnolia, it is Pioneers biggest account.

I don't really understand why Magnolia would need the Signature line. The whole point of it is IP connectivity for calibration use, and for 3rd-party custom installer integration. Magnolia doesn't deal with either of those aspects. The only reason why they would carry it would be for the thinness. Directly from the mouth of a Pioneer rep at the shootout.

As of today, the 141 is not in the Best Buy system. If it really is shipping next month, it should be.

I don't really understand why Magnolia would need the Signature line. The whole point of it is IP connectivity for calibration use, and for 3rd-party custom installer integration. Magnolia doesn't deal with either of those aspects. The only reason why they would carry it would be for the thinness. Directly from the mouth of a Pioneer rep at the shootout.

As of today, the 141 is not in the Best Buy system. If it really is shipping next month, it should be.

Magnolia doesn't necessarily "need" to sell the Sig, but I assume they want to in order to make some profit. They are in the business of selling CE, so why not sell the Sigs also? Otherwise a potential Sig customer will spend their money somewhere else, and maybe buy other related CE product(s) also.

Well, isn't this just special. :mad:

We have dealers on this thread basically saying "Please, don't talk about the 200/250 mile rule here".
The reason this is stated many times is that we have different opinions and some will do it some won't, just call around.

I should've mentioned that part of my motivation for looking at Forum sponsors past the "250 mile radius" was avoiding LA's 8.25% sales tax! :eek:

That can run upwards of $500 for a 60" Elite. I'd rather spend that money on the 141's stand ;)

Makes sense to me.

I should've mentioned that part of my motivation for looking at Forum sponsors past the "250 mile radius" was avoiding LA's 8.25% sales tax! :eek:

That can run upwards of $500 for a 60" Elite. I'd rather spend that money on the 141's stand ;)

Perhaps people should consider not posting overt admissions that they have violated or are intending to violate California's (or any other state's) use tax law. ;) Hopefully no one at California's Franchise Tax Board is reading. Otherwise, an audit might be forth coming.

I remember a lot of complaints about the limited PIP function on the Kuros. Does the omission of a tuner in the 141 suggest that PIP function between inputs will not be as restrictive?

Also, anyone know the panel weight yet?

Cheers

I remember a lot of complaints about the limited PIP function on the Kuros. Does the omission of a tuner in the 141 suggest that PIP function between inputs will not be as restrictive?

Also, anyone know the panel weight yet?

Cheers

Good question, and I 'd like to know as well. There's probably not a day goes by that I don't use the PAP feature. Usually for news but during football season, I frequently watch 2 games at a time.

Also, anyone know the panel weight yet?

"The KRP-600M [Euro PRO-141FD equivalent - Ed.] Plasma TV can be connected to various terminals such as HDMI, DVI-D, Composite, Component and KURO Link. At a high resolution of 1920 x 1080 dpi, it is bound to offer a good quality picture to its users. This unique model consumes power up to 487W and weighs just 49.9 Kg. (http://www.cybertheater.com/pioneer-krp-600m-plasma-tv/)"

Strangely, that seems to be only about 1 Kg less than the "full-figured" model. I would've sworn all that thickness elimination would've resulted in a bigger drop in overall weight.

"The KRP-600M [Euro PRO-141FD equivalent - Ed.] Plasma TV can be connected to various terminals such as HDMI, DVI-D, Composite, Component and KURO Link. At a high resolution of 1920 x 1080 dpi, it is bound to offer a good quality picture to its users. This unique model consumes power up to 487W and weighs just 49.9 Kg. (http://www.cybertheater.com/pioneer-krp-600m-plasma-tv/)"

Strangely, that seems to be only about 1 Kg less than the "full-figured" model. I would've sworn all that thickness elimination would've resulted in a bigger drop in overall weight.Does seem high. I was expecting around 40-45kg?

whats strange is the power consumption...my 50" fujitsu consumes up to 700 watts if im not mistaked. Yes it has a tuner and speakers, but I woulnt expect either uses all that much.

One of the differences touted between the Signature and the Elite has been lower energy consumption by the Sigs. as they do not include an OTA tuner nor amp for speakers.

If you are not using the OTA tuner nor the TV speakers, will the Elite continue to draw more power than the Sig? Sorry, I don't fully understand what factors affect energy consumption. Maybe the amps are always on whether you use the TV speakers or not.

Thanks.

Just curious...has anyone got to the point where they have preorderd the 141? I have called around some dealers and got some ball park quotes, but nothing seems to be concrete enough in there system to actually do anything besides put my name on a list to call me.

I'm preordering mine tomorrow, with deposit. Found a dealer in my area that was taking orders; according to them they have (a "confirmed") 3 already on order.

Wow 3, I hope Pioneer steps up on their 60's

Something that crossed my mind:

If the signature series is as hand-picked as some make them sound, will they
be pretty spot-on in terms of calibration out of the box? I mean, I recall my
8g 150FD was OK out of the box, but there was definitely a reddish look to
the panel before the colours were adjusted. In fact, I recall some comments
about the 9g being a bit like that. Any chance the colours will be set properly
this time?

One of the differences touted between the Signature and the Elite has been lower energy consumption by the Sigs. as they do not include an OTA tuner nor amp for speakers.

If you are not using the OTA tuner nor the TV speakers, will the Elite continue to draw more power than the Sig? Sorry, I don't fully understand what factors affect energy consumption. Maybe the amps are always on whether you use the TV speakers or not.

Thanks.

I was thinking this also. With all of the manufacturers wanting to bring down their energy consumption, you would think they would put some code in the firmware that could turn off the tuners and amps if they were not needed.

Something that crossed my mind:

If the signature series is as hand-picked as some make them sound, will they
be pretty spot-on in terms of calibration out of the box? I mean, I recall my
8g 150FD was OK out of the box, but there was definitely a reddish look to
the panel before the colours were adjusted. In fact, I recall some comments
about the 9g being a bit like that. Any chance the colours will be set properly
this time?

Since the calibrators say the unit should have about 100 hours of use before calibration, I assume this means a plasma can't be properly calibrated until it has been "broken in." Or that if it is calibrated before that 100 hours of use the plasma picture may change and the calibration no longer be correct. I don't really know however, so I could be wrong. This is definitely true of tuning a new car engine, but those involves lots of physical moving parts that need to "wear in.".

Since the calibrators say the unit should have about 100 hours of use before calibration, I assume this means a plasma can't be properly calibrated until it has been "broken in." Or that if it is calibrated before that 100 hours of use the plasma picture may change and the calibration no longer be correct. I don't really know however, so I could be wrong. This is definitely true of tuning a new car engine, but those involves lots of physical moving parts that need to "wear in.".

But it was already posted that many Plasma manufacturers do a form of break-in
during the manufacturer (or is it QC) process. Calibrated or not, it's a bit odd
that these TVs have a reddish push to them even post break-in. I figure if Pio
is serious about the signature series, they'd at least make sure there's no such
thing. It doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated or anything. I know folks
say the 9g elites look good out of the box... but I recall seeing comments
about colours being off here or there, which was "easily fixed" via the menu.

Basically, I'm saying the default zero setting of these TVs should not be skewed
to a particular colour (eg: red push of my 150D). I mean, imagine if the
zero-level of your brightness was ridiculously bright, forcing you to bring
it down to -12 before it was normal. It shouldn't be like that with colours
either if you ask me. Of course, this is normally difficult when doing a huge
mass production, but in a signature series, I think it's possible.

DAd gummit!
That sig. is really looking awesome!
Mirror mode???? LOL. Talk about going all out.

It just goes to show that it is absolutly impossible to stay on top of technology for very long. Just when you think nothing can be better than the 151......

Just got a note most dealers should see some small units mid-end Aug for the 141s. I know some heard the same just wanted to confirm. Also the I think Pioneer is starting to do better with the 151's as well.

Just got a note most dealers should see some small units mid-end Aug for the 141s. I know some heard the same just wanted to confirm. Also the I think Pioneer is starting to do better with the 151's as well.

when you say do better with the 151s does that mean pricing is coming down with the 151s and that would make the 141 more epxensive?

when you say do better with the 151s does that mean pricing is coming down with the 151s and that would make the 141 more epxensive?

Not saying that yet :) What I meant is that they are starting to ship descent amounts.

It is good to see the 141 will have the full 4 HDMI + DVI :) The only thing missing is the USB port (Media Gallery)

It is good to see the 141 will have the full 4 HDMI + DVI :) The only thing missing is the USB port (Media Gallery)

Yes, but I wonder why they would omit the USB port. This seems like it has lots of cool applications - showing pictures on the set and downloading movies to play on the set. Is there another way to do those things on the Signature series?

Yes, but I wonder why they would omit the USB port. This seems like it has lots of cool applications - showing pictures on the set and downloading movies to play on the set. Is there another way to do those things on the Signature series?

Via computor or other external device w/media player?

Yes, but I wonder why they would omit the USB port. This seems like it has lots of cool applications - showing pictures on the set and downloading movies to play on the set. Is there another way to do those things on the Signature series?

You don't necessarily need a USB to connect a computer to the Sig. Instead the computer can be connected to the Sig's DVI-D terminal. See page 17 of the Sig manual.

Also, you can connect a computer to the Sig's RGB terminal. See page 18

Given that the Sig also has a LAN terminal, I assume it can also be connected to a computer network. However, except on page 7 where the LAN terminal is shown I see no other mention of LAN anywhere else in the manual.

I don't think we have seen a frontal pic? Can someone post one? Since we cannot buy one now, my wife wants to print a picture of it as a token for an early anniversary gift!

Love her to death!

I don't think we have seen a frontal pic? Can someone post one? Since we cannot buy one now, my wife wants to print a picture of it as a token for an early anniversary gift!

Love her to death!

:(
I need a woman like that

:(
I need a woman like that

I don't know...your 151 might get jealous. :D

I got a voicemail from my dealer that the display I want is in, so unless they completely got which display I want mixed up I would be buying a 141 tomorrow.

Sadly I likely wont install it until a couple of weeks after my floors get re-sanded.

I got a voicemail from my dealer that the display I want is in, so unless they completely got which display I want mixed up I would be buying a 141 tomorrow.

Sadly I likely wont install it until a couple of weeks after my floors get re-sanded.
? The guy must be wrong as it's not even in the hands of our American compatriots yet!

? The guy must be wrong as it's not even in the hands of our American compatriots yet!

could be...but they are the largest elite dealer in my city and i was pretty specific when saying I wanted the 141 (they already had the 151 in stock when I asked to be put on a list for the 141 2 weeks ago).

My gut tells me they are wrong, but we will see tomorrow at 10 am PST when I call.

Wow ... this thread has slowed to a trickle. I wonder if this means there are few people that are actually interested in or planning to purchase a Pio Sig?

I guess at this point there's not a lot to say beyond what's already been said. I assume things will pick up when the Sigs start arriving at the dealers and they can actually be seen.

Barring any unforeseen flaws, I'm definitely getting the 141 ... plus the matching Pio Blue Ray player and receiver.

False alarm...dealer had their head in their @ss

I just talked to my dealer who said he talked to a high level person at Pionner and got a couple of fun facts about the 141. True? I have no idea, but nothing else is being posted in this thread lately.

Apparently each set will have a name of the person attached to it who hand picked things like the glass so it can be traced back to him/her. This idea isnt new as the same was done with my friends B&O plasma.

Its supposed to come calibrated as best they can without knowing the condition of the room. I have no idea what value this offers and the dealer was a little vague when I asked questions about it.

The dealer did say the 141 will produce a "mucher better" picture then the 151. "Much better" if any better remains to be seen i guess.

....Apparently each set will have a name of the person attached to it who hand picked things like the glass so it can be traced back to him/her. This idea isnt new as the same was done with my friends B&O plasma..........

man i feel for Raoul, Betty, Linda, Mark etc etc and whoever else puts thier name on a Sig panel and it turns out to be a buzzer or have dead pixels, streaks, blotching or dirty screen effect.

can see a sig owner pissed and calling into pioneer saying i want to speak to _______ cause my Sig has problems and they hand picked the components, were they drunk that day, on drugs, blind, deaf, blah blah blah....lol.

Instead they should give a Sig owner (and Elite owners) the direct line to the President of Pioneer USA in case of any problems.........hehe, that would add to the reasons to buy an Elite/Sig series :)

man i feel for Raoul, Betty, Linda, Mark etc etc and whoever else puts thier name on a Sig panel and it turns out to be a buzzer or have dead pixels, streaks, blotching or dirty screen effect.

can see a sig owner pissed and calling into pioneer saying i want to speak to _______ cause my Sig has problems and they hand picked the components, were they drunk that day, on drugs, blind, deaf, blah blah blah....lol.


why call pioneer? ill look their name up on the net and call them at home!

why call pioneer? ill look their name up on the net and call them at home!

Yea these days its allot easier to find these things out. Does your dealer have the same ETA we have here?

Yea these days its allot easier to find these things out. Does your dealer have the same ETA we have here?

end of august is the best he could give me

end of august is the best he could give me

Sounds about right.

Does anyone think the signature will be less noisy than the 151? Just because of no tuner?

Some hope so, but I will wait and see.

what are the fat chances that the moniter model 141/101 sig remote being on some store?? i swear to god that i saw a remote that was not the 111 remote and yet after watching the pdf manuel today i could of sworn i saw the exact one!!! i saw the sig series remote!

just wondering if someone brought this and if its irrelevent im sorry its on page 81



8.5 Phosphor Properties
The following are typical effects and characteristics of a phosphor-based matrix display and as such are not
covered by the Warranty:
• Permanent residual images upon the phosphors of the panel
• Existence of one or more inactive light cells in small quantity• Noises generated by fan motors, electrical circuits (hum), panel plates, etc.

Well I spoke with my sales person yesterday and he said no later than Aug 20th. He took my money which garuntees me one of the 141s when they come in.

He also said the PQ will be better on the 141 than the 151 but couldnt tell me why so I guess its just speculation. One thing that suprised me was he said there is a total of 16 of these units coming to the entire west coast Magnolia stores, seems like a very low number to me but im very new to this game so maybe thats normal.

More to come in a few weeks I hope.

I have a hard time believing that the picture will be that much better on the signature line compared to the elites.

BUT and that's a huge 'but' I'd like to be proven wrong!

I have a hard time believing that the picture will be that much better on the signature line compared to the elites.

BUT and that's a huge 'but' I'd like to be proven wrong!

"that much" remains to be seen, but I do think its possible with the extra adjustments to produce a better picture then the 151. Overall I dont have a hard time believing the 141 will produce a better picture then the 151 when fully calibrated.

I think that most of us who buy the 141 wont know the difference because I for one wont have the ability to see a 151 next to a 141 with both properly calibrated and I doubt many others will either.

would it be possible that the tv are already in some magnolia stores? or they happen to have a remote sent out to them in advance? like i said i saw one exactly. ill post pictures once i go back maybe tomorrow

You buy the 141 just to be certain that you have THE BEST TV money can buy. I mean come on, it's called the "signature series". :p

But actually, if they really are held to a higher QC standard, then it may be worth it knowing your panel is completely undefective in any small way. The perfection of perfection of you will.

Methinks hand picked parts/higher OC sounds like the Onkyo/Integra scheme of things. Years later there is still no conclusive evidence that the Inegra has better, hand selected parts. Remains to be seen though. If the signature is "all that" and more than the Elite in regards to PQ, buzzing, pixels, ect., I'll be a little upset as will other Elite owners, I bet. This from the owner of a problem free 111.

I can see it now...from a bin of chips...."this chip is good for Signature. This one is not." ;)

would it be possible that the tv are already in some magnolia stores? or they happen to have a remote sent out to them in advance? like i said i saw one exactly. ill post pictures once i go back maybe tomorrow

I dont think so but it would be great to see

Yeah like was mentioned I think Im doing just for the peice of mind even if it isnt real just thinking that its the best will help me as funny as that sounds. I am spending alot of money and will have well over 20k invested in my theatre and I want to be sure in my own mind that I have the best or very close to the best panel hanging on the wall at the time of my purchase.

Atleast one thing is for sure it will look better than the 151 as far as mounting it goes due to the fact that its thinner and can be mounted closer due to the cables running downward. That in and of itself is worth the wait for me. Its taken me 7 months to complete my basement I can wait an extra few weeks for the 141. I just hope its worth it.

Just my .02 worth

More than two years ago I was ready to upgrade from my 42" 5th Gen Panny commercial. I wanted a larger, more advanced commercial monitor type plasma.

As I was about to pull the trigger on a Pio 507cmx, I heard about the 8th gen Pio's becoming something special.

So I waited.

Once circumstances allowed me to pull the trigger on a Panny 58 10UK, 5010 or 6010, I read about Panny's pz800 line and heard rumors about a 9th gen Pio monitor series.

So I waited.

I still have not seen a pz800 or 11UK larger than 50" (and won't until the fall?!).

So I wait no more.

Today I pulled the trigger. I ordered a Pio 141. :)

"the new PRO-101FD was created as a special limited-run edition for the most discerning entertainment purist."
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/EliteMonitors/ci.PRO-101FD.Kuro


"The new PRO-141FD has been crafted as a special limited-run edition for the most discerning entertainment connoisseur."
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/EliteMonitors/ci.PRO-141FD.Kuro

Better hurry.. ;)

"the new PRO-101FD was created as a special limited-run edition for the most discerning entertainment purist."
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/EliteMonitors/ci.PRO-101FD.Kuro


"The new PRO-141FD has been crafted as a special limited-run edition for the most discerning entertainment connoisseur."
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/EliteMonitors/ci.PRO-141FD.Kuro

Better hurry.. ;)


Lots of marketing lingo there. I wonder if it really adds anything in terms of further calibration

"the new PRO-101FD was created as a special limited-run edition for the most discerning entertainment purist."
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/EliteMonitors/ci.PRO-101FD.Kuro


"The new PRO-141FD has been crafted as a special limited-run edition for the most discerning entertainment connoisseur."
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/EliteMonitors/ci.PRO-141FD.Kuro

Better hurry.. ;)

Isn't every TV ever made a "limited edition"? ;)

Isn't every TV ever made a "limited edition"? ;)

Good point :) But I can also see the other point as well.

"the new PRO-101FD was created as a special limited-run edition for the most discerning entertainment purist."
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/EliteMonitors/ci.PRO-101FD.Kuro


"The new PRO-141FD has been crafted as a special limited-run edition for the most discerning entertainment connoisseur."
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/EliteMonitors/ci.PRO-141FD.Kuro

Better hurry.. ;)


I am not gettting a sense that they will be "limited run" I stopped into the local MAG BB in BBs corporate hometown and spoke to one of the full time salespeople there that I have worked with in the past. He had just came from a meeting with the local Pio rep. When I ask him about availability in terms of units he said the Pio rep didnt mention anything that led him to believe they would be scare. They are planning to put the 141 on thier front display area and moving the 151 to the general display area. Adding to that I also spoke to my contact at a local high end HT store in the Mpls area and he stated they would be putting one in their display room.

IMHO I cant imagine putting these on for general display if they were going to be "limited" :confused:



...ZB

I still think the units are not made for majority of clients out there so thats what makes me think that.

"the new PRO-101FD was created as a special limited-run edition for the most discerning entertainment purist."
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/EliteMonitors/ci.PRO-101FD.Kuro


"The new PRO-141FD has been crafted as a special limited-run edition for the most discerning entertainment connoisseur."
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/EliteMonitors/ci.PRO-141FD.Kuro

Better hurry.. ;)

This link shows the 141 MSRP as $7,000, not $6,500.

yes been discussed last week just part of the lost replies of the avs forum crash.

I predict this display will be limted to the demand.

I cant imagine they will stop making and selling these prior to the release of the 10g.

The only way I will believe they are limited is if each screen has a "1 of ..." printed on it..similarly to prints from art. Heck they are comparing this to something worthy of art why not treat it actually as such?

maybe the 1 of xxxxxx? will be printed on the certificates Pioneer gives out with the sig series.

what if they run out of hand selected parts?

man that sucks that alot of post were lost due to system errors from the new upgrade i belive. the good thing is i can read my email replies as i havnt had a chance to check on them and delete as i always do :D .....

Went to BB/Magnolia last night. The 141 is showing in their system with a date of August 31. My store in the north suburbs of Chicago doesn't show any coming their way. I was inquiring to pre-order a unit so that I could find out the price, but they are not even sure they could order one to their store because their market may not carry this unit.

You would think that if it is in their system, they could order it. Either way, they are checking on this and will have an answer in a day or two supposedly.

My guy is still saying No later than the 20th but more than likely the 18th I will let you know......

Allocations begin next week, they should be in stores by Friday or Monday the 25th.

Availability is limited at this point in time, until at least Oct.

As for pricing, as mentioned before, I would recommend pre-orders as there is a difference related to $500 increase in SRP over the 151s.

Russ

thanks russ always good info and help from you and your Elite dealer contact.

so russ the $7000 msrp is correct for the Pro141? Pioneer did bump it up from the $6500 of the Pro151......

I would agree Russ

Yes the $7000 MSRP is correct and thus translates into an increase to the seller, so if you are able to lock-in on a pre-order, I would highly recommend it...


thanks russ always good info and help from you and your Elite dealer contact.

so russ the $7000 msrp is correct for the Pro141? Pioneer did bump it up from the $6500 of the Pro151......

Yes the $7000 MSRP is correct and thus translates into an increase to the seller, so if you are able to lock-in on a pre-order, I would highly recommend it...

Is the recommendation for lock in due to the low availability or is there some thing technically "wow!" about it that once discovered will be the craze amongst us enthusiasts?

Yes the $7000 MSRP is correct and thus translates into an increase to the seller, so if you are able to lock-in on a pre-order, I would highly recommend it...

Yes there were a few lucky ones to lock it in now we just have to wait and see what happens with availability etc.

I don't mean to be a jerk or whatever I am about to be called.....but this thread is silly. Unless you are looking at this tv for the features it actually provides, you are just waisting your time. The 141 is not going to be better than the 151 in terms of visual quality. That is not what it was designed for. The 141 is meant to be a custom install piece that has more features for an advanced custom install. Yes there will be some finer tuning, but I think you will soon realize there is little to be had over the 151 in this respect (ever heard of diminishing returns?). After reading this thread, it seams people seem to think that this TV will be the same type of jump from the 6020 to the 151. This is not going to be the case (not what it was meant to be). The hand picked parts will be nice, I just get a little annoyed when people tend to think this TV will be noticably better than a 151 (visually), it's just not what it is about. If you are looking for exclusivity, or any of the custom aspects, this is your tv. If not, you are just wasting your time and money.....(especially those whom are going to buy the pedestal for it as well):rolleyes:

The fact is that the 151 will out sell this unit IMO its not for everyone.

Am I understanding you folks correctly - the MSRP is increasing $500 but the dealer price is staying the same?

Am I understanding you folks correctly - the MSRP is increasing $500 but the dealer price is staying the same?

Yup, its up to the dealers always :)

It's more related to limited availability and the fact that the price is going to be higher then what was originally expected from Pio, so people may still be able to get it for the 151FD equiv pricing.

Is the recommendation for lock in due to the low availability or is there some thing technically "wow!" about it that once discovered will be the craze amongst us enthusiasts?


I think the thickness is pretty awesome if you ask me, but hey you think this thread is silly. I would also say that the engineers would argue differently and apparently they won, because it's coming out with the higher SRP. But like I said earlier in this thread, not sure why people want to crap on the 141 like you are. It's the same as those who crap on Pio over Panny or Elite over non-elite and now Sig Elite vs Elite. As I always say, if you don't like it then move on.

Do you know that this TV will or wont be visually better than the 151? Have you even seen this TV? Until then, why not just wait and see....

I have an 1140FD, had a 150FD, and now a 151FD, so I'm hoping it's not as good as my 151FD, but I'm also willing to accept that it might be, but only time will tell. Now I'm not sure I can live with out a tuner, speakers, and such, because I just like the convenience.

I don't mean to be a jerk or whatever I am about to be called.....but this thread is silly. Unless you are looking at this tv for the features it actually provides, you are just waisting your time. The 141 is not going to be better than the 151 in terms of visual quality. That is not what it was designed for. The 141 is meant to be a custom install piece that has more features for an advanced custom install. Yes there will be some finer tuning, but I think you will soon realize there is little to be had over the 151 in this respect (ever heard of diminishing returns?). After reading this thread, it seams people seem to think that this TV will be the same type of jump from the 6020 to the 151. This is not going to be the case (not what it was meant to be). The hand picked parts will be nice, I just get a little annoyed when people tend to think this TV will be noticably better than a 151 (visually), it's just not what it is about. If you are looking for exclusivity, or any of the custom aspects, this is your tv. If not, you are just wasting your time and money.....(especially those whom are going to buy the pedestal for it as well):rolleyes:

I am not "crapping" on the 141 and my opinions (yes they are only that) are not pointed at people such as yourself. They are more pointed at the bandwagon people that jump at anything that is more expensive and start making assumptions, even before they realize what this product is meant for. Like I said.....If the custom aspects, hand picked parts or form factor (the real difference in price, considering what was omitted) is what you are after, by all means this TV is the ****. I just get a little annoyed at the people who think this set is about stepping up picture quality from a 151. Its just not what pioneer intended it to be.....Im glad you have a 151 russwong, I have one as well (and very happy with it as I am sure you are as well), I just think people are getting a little out of hand with what they may hope this product really is. I knew full well about what the 141 was about (before I purchased my 151) and the particular features it provides is not something I really want or need. I am merely trying to remind people what this product is, and why pioneer is offering it.....

Im curious why you get annoyed? Who cares what other people think. And how in the world did you know pioneers intentions weeks ago or even now for that matter when nobody has even seen the TV.

I am one of those people that you speak of that think something might be better that is more money, or called signature series, limited edition, collectors edition etc etc silly me. Im sorry if I annoyed you.

I don't mean to be a jerk or whatever I am about to be called.....but this thread is silly.

I'd say that the thread itself is anything but silly, since if you actually read the original post, absolutely no presumption was made about picture quality. It was just an honest effort to compare the 151 to the 141 in whatever ways are relevant. The fact that the discussion turned in that direction (PQ) might be silly (or it might not be - I am certainly not taking sides) but to call the entire thread silly is, well, even more silly.

Unless you are looking at this tv for the features it actually provides, you are just waisting your time.

...

Yes there will be some finer tuning, but I think you will soon realize there is little to be had over the 151 in this respect (ever heard of diminishing returns?).

Ok, so what are the exact differences then? Instead of just making a blanket statement, why not compare the features directly, and point out why the differences will not help with PQ? The manual for the 141 is available so it should be possible to do such a comparison, at least from an "on paper" perspective.

If you are looking for exclusivity, or any of the custom aspects, this is your tv. If not, you are just wasting your time and money...

If I bought the TV it would be solely because I prefer monitors to true televisions. I like the minimalist, speakerless look. I also think that the slimmer profile will be a big win. And the fact that it has the ability to configure settings via a network is just icing on the cake.

Sorry, let me rephrase, I dont think this thread is silly, I think all this talk of picture quality improvements is what is silly. I am not trying to bash the 141, its gonne be great, it just didnt meet my needs (need a pedestal and dont want to pay for one).

As far as why I say that picture quality will not be better, just read posts by a few of the most respected members on here:

Quote:
Originally Posted by umr
"Additional picture adjustments also seem superfluous based on the results I have seen with the 111 and 151 display."

Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Nice
"I agree. The 101 and 141s have even stripped the ISFccc profile of which achieve superior results compared to any of the other A/V modes (including Pure mode). One thing I do like is the fact that it has 5 gamma presets that allows the owner to have a gamma anywhere in the range of 2.1-2.5."

If you want this set for its sleek look, or because you would rather a monitor, then I dont have a problem with that, mkoesel (in fact dont have a problem with anyone who wants this set, who wouldn't). I dont mean to offend anyone whom has interest in this set. I was just seeing all these posts about possibly improved picture quality, and I dont think that is what you will get or what you should hope for out of it.

I have talked to an Elite rep, and he told that this TV is not meant to compete with the 151, its a custom install piece that will allow for alot of neat features. Do I know all those features...No. Do you?

Additional picture adjustments also seem superfluous based on the results I have seen with the 111 and 151 display.

I agree. The 101 and 141s have even stripped the ISFccc profile of which achieve superior results compared to any of the other A/V modes (including Pure mode). One thing I do like is the fact that it has 5 gamma presets that allows the owner to have a gamma anywhere in the range of 2.1-2.5.


The Elite Monitors have the ISFccc Interface and the same Controls are available with a few value changes.

Pioneer's Kuro Monitors will not have the ISFccc Interface just like the NE standalones.

-Turbe

As far as why I say that picture quality will not be better, just read posts by a few of the most respected members on here:

Fair enough. I am neutral on the PQ issue myself (its would not be my primary reason for choosing this over any other Kuro, even if the PQ were in fact better somehow). And by no means am I ISF trained, so I won't speculate on the quotes you cite. But I will definitely wait with interest to see what this thing can do.

I have talked to an Elite rep, and he told that this TV is not meant to compete with the 151, its a custom install piece that will allow for alot of neat features. Do I know all those features...No. Do you?

Well actually I do, yes, because I read the manual very carefully. Did you? It's in this thread, you know. What I haven't done is compare to the 151 manual. I might do that, but maybe not since I have no interest in the 151 personally.

Bottomline is that this is an item whose greatest attribute is going to be exclusivity, plus any bug fixes that they made to the 151FD. In any case, a 151FD will be the same as the 141, the volumes are too low for Pioneer to invest in real R and D, but a nice way to get rid of surplus units from 151 production. Usually, you'd discount to sell more. Pioneer is going the other way! market surplus output as a high end product. That way they get the volume advantage on the 151 in terms of production and sell a higher margin product to those who want it.

Interesting marketing.

The other thing that seems to rule this unit out for me is the fact that it does not possess either the USB input or the Home Media Gallery. It's one thing to be 'minimalist' and it's another to simply strip features. Very odd.

The other thing that seems to rule this unit out for me is the fact that it does not possess either the USB input or the Home Media Gallery. It's one thing to be 'minimalist' and it's another to simply strip features. Very odd.

Why do you care so much about Media Gallery?

There are many devices out there that can do this for you -
Ziova CS615, Popcorn 110, Helios Labs, etc..

Very soon I expect Network BD/Media players to hit the market and such functionality is usually built in.

The point is why omit what's on the 151 (other than speakers, amp & tuner)? It makes no sense. I like the fact that the 151 has a USB port that you can simply pop your pix or AVCHD files and play them. That's very elegant and it should have been included IMO on the 141 if it was on the 151. There's no reason why you should have to resort to some other device when it could have been built-in on the 141. This 'downgrading' approach for what is alledged to be the 'statement piece' is a bit convuluted IMO.

Sure you can hook up your camera or camcorder via a wire to the 141, but it's simply easier to pop out a USB stick and insert it in the display.

...a nice way to get rid of surplus units from 151 production. Usually, you'd discount to sell more. Pioneer is going the other way! market surplus output as a high end product.

That sounds like some pretty hefty speculation to me. I'm interested in knowing more though if in fact you do have inside information you can share. (?)

It seems much, much more likely to me these are spiritual successors to the FHD1. They fill the same niche, and are targeted at that market. That display was certainly not a surplus product - it was the only display of its ilk at the time. Also notice that Pioneer has appeared to abandon their commercial monitor lineup, never giving them Kuro glass or even 1080p glass. So the Signature series could also fill the gap left there also.

The point is why omit what's on the 151 (other than speakers, amp & tuner)? It makes no sense. I like the fact that the 151 has a USB port that you can simply pop your pix or AVCHD files and play them. That's very elegant and it should have been included IMO on the 141 if it was on the 151. There's no reason why you should have to resort to some other device when it could have been built-in on the 141. This 'downgrading' approach for what is alledged to be the 'statement piece' is a bit convuluted IMO.

This can be a polarizing topic.

Personally, for me, I like the idea of using an external device for these tasks instead. Why? Because typically you can get more functionality out of an external device. For example, if you were to attach a Mac Mini to the HDMI port and get USB car reader now you have a real nice device that can not only display pics but also surf the web. Plus, the software will allow you to do more. Just one example - Instead of just AVCHD you could also do MPEG2 or what have you.

Also, while you lose the USB port, you gain the LAN port and the ability to adjust the display over the network. I think this could end up being a killer feature. Here's one (off the wall) idea: imagine having different ISF profiles stored for any number of light conditions. My understanding right now is that you can only store 2 for a 151, right? Well, how about storing a bunch in your computer, and then having them be set precisely based on the time of day?

Sure you can hook up your camera or camcorder via a wire to the 141, but it's simply easier to pop out a USB stick and insert it in the display.

But its even easier still to have the camera zap the pictures to the display wirelessly. Science fiction? No, there are bluetooth cameras now, and if you have a computer attached that can communicate with one, you could potentially have it set up to display your pictures automatically as soon as you take them, or as soon as you come in proximity of the display.

This can be a polarizing topic.

Personally, for me, I like the idea of using an external device for these tasks instead. Why? Because typically you can get more functionality out of an external device. For example, if you were to attach a Mac Mini to the HDMI port and get USB car reader now you have a real nice device that can not only display pics but also surf the web. Plus, the software will allow you to do more. Just one example - Instead of just AVCHD you could also do MPEG2 or what have you.

Also, while you lose the USB port, you gain the LAN port and the ability to adjust the display over the network. I think this could end up being a killer feature. Here's one (off the wall) idea: imagine having different ISF profiles stored for any number of light conditions. My understanding right now is that you can only store 2 for a 151, right? Well, how about storing a bunch in your computer, and then having them be set precisely based on the time of day?

But its even easier still to have the camera zap the pictures to the display wirelessly. Science fiction? No, there are bluetooth cameras now, and if you have a computer attached that can communicate with one, you could potentially have it set up to display your pictures automatically as soon as you take them, or as soon as you come in proximity of the display.

I can't say I agree with your reasoning. Why not have an internal device with the ability to use an external device if you so wish? I'd bet for most people the internal capability such as on the 151 is fine.

Additionally, bluetooth is slower than having a direct read of a USB device. It's just a fact of life with wireless vs wired. Any device such as this I've tried is invariably slower in a wireless mode (for video) than a direct connection.

Now as far as having multiple ISF setups, I think that's simply overkill. The problem with your reasoning IMO is that you can't simply use 'time of day'. Time of day under what weather condtions? Time of day during what season? Clear sky? Cloudy sky? Rainy weather? Do you begin to see the almost infinite variables in actual lighting condtions at a given time of day? I think two is fine.

But hey, in the end it's all about choice and at least we have that with the 151 & 141. For me it seems the 151 gives me more of what I want. :)

My understanding right now is that you can only store 2 for a 151, right?

3 Per Input (ISF Day, ISF Night, ISF Auto Per Input) though most only use 2 of the 3 Per Input.

Some one asked, I can't remember right now who, but Pure Cinema can be set separately for each Memory on each Input.

Look, I wasnt trying to start any type of angry debate. I was merely trying to put people's perspective in place of what to expect. I just wanted to make sure that people were buying the 141 for the right reasons, and not because they think it will be a step-up in picture quality. I know that there are people out there (I read the posts) that were kinda of going for this set just because they think it would be the same type of step from the 6020, its just not going to be like that (not that the 6020 is any slouch either). Like I said a BUNCH of times, its not what it was meant to be. And like I said before, This set is going to be unbelievable (so is the 151) and you cant get any better. I just think that the 151 would meet alot of peoples needs if they realize that picture quality is not one of the step up features. Yes, it will have a little more "tweakability", but like umr said, I think that the 151 already comes so close in that respect in that its just a case of diminishing returns......

Look, I wasnt trying to start any type of angry debate. I was merely trying to put people's perspective in place of what to expect. I just wanted to make sure that people were buying the 141 for the right reasons, and not because they think it will be a step-up in picture quality. I know that there are people out there (I read the posts) that were kinda of going for this set just because they think it would be the same type of step from the 6020, its just not going to be like that (not that the 6020 is any slouch either). Like I said a BUNCH of times, its not what it was meant to be. And like I said before, This set is going to be unbelievable (so is the 151) and you cant get any better. I just think that the 151 would meet alot of peoples needs if they realize that picture quality is not one of the step up features. Yes, it will have a little more "tweakability", but like umr said, I think that the 151 already comes so close in that respect in that its just a case of diminishing returns......

Not sure what people on this thread you're referring. Most I know on here are very tech savvy and quite the opposite from the boutique crowd. I guess I could say thanks for the buyer's beware warnings, but all the same unnecessary. In any event, I doubt very seriously that anyone on this thread would plunk down 5-6 Grand on a niche Pio display w/o checking it out extremely well beforehand. Also, I think many people (including me) are getting a little excited about the 141 as it nears the release date, and expressing themselves by speculating & discussing all the unique possibilities the 141 may offer. Nothing wrong with that.

I am definitely looking forward to the release so we know the full scoop.

Like I said, this can be a polarizing topic. :)

I can't say I agree with your reasoning. Why not have an internal device with the ability to use an external device if you so wish? I'd bet for most people the internal capability such as on the 151 is fine.

Well, the same could also be said about other functionality that currently comes from external devices. Why not a built in BluRay player? Or DVR? Televisions exist with both of those things, so why not on the 151 too? Those are mostly rhetorical as I'm not advocating here so much as just demonstrating. Still, the answer to the questions, if we are going to answer, is that, practically speaking, you have to draw a line somewhere. The 141 enjoys a lower profile than the 151 which forces new packaging issues for the device. Much of this is taken care of by a lack of tuner and amplifier/speakers, sure. But again, they did have to add hardware to support the network port. They lost the USB port along the way - an engineering compromise no doubt. They probably figured it would not be missed by most, I'm sure, and while that is not true in your case I suspect it will be true for most others.

Additionally, bluetooth is slower than having a direct read of a USB device. It's just a fact of life with wireless vs wired. Any device such as this I've tried is invariably slower in a wireless mode (for video) than a direct connection.

Bluetooth is slower now, but in the future there will be bluetooth with UWB and also wireless USB which operate at much higher rates. You could upgrade as things become available (again, an example of something that wouldn't be possible if this were built into the display). Also, while it is slower it is also completely passive (if configured that way) so that you do not have to take any action such as plugging in a device. This added convenience could be worth the trade-off depending on the situation.

Now as far as having multiple ISF setups, I think that's simply overkill. The problem with your reasoning IMO is that you can't simply use 'time of day'. Time of day under what weather condtions? Time of day during what season? Clear sky? Cloudy sky? Rainy weather? Do you begin to see the almost infinite variables in actual lighting condtions at a given time of day? I think two is fine.

Well true, but as I said, it was a bit off the wall and just a quicky example. You could make the system more intelligent by adding an ambient light sensor, and of course you could set it up so you could select the profile manually also.

But hey, in the end it's all about choice and at least we have that with the 151 & 141. For me it seems the 151 gives me more of what I want. :)

Yep :)

Look, I wasnt trying to start any type of angry debate. I was merely trying to put people's perspective in place of what to expect. I just wanted to make sure that people were buying the 141 for the right reasons, and not because they think it will be a step-up in picture quality. I know that there are people out there (I read the posts) that were kinda of going for this set just because they think it would be the same type of step from the 6020, its just not going to be like that (not that the 6020 is any slouch either). Like I said a BUNCH of times, its not what it was meant to be. And like I said before, This set is going to be unbelievable (so is the 151) and you cant get any better. I just think that the 151 would meet alot of peoples needs if they realize that picture quality is not one of the step up features. Yes, it will have a little more "tweakability", but like umr said, I think that the 151 already comes so close in that respect in that its just a case of diminishing returns......

I just saw UMR's post in the 9G Elite thread. He agrees and doesn't agree with you. At first he said Elite was already near perfect that any additional adjustment offered by the Signature would be superfluous. However, then he acknowledged there could be some improvements. However, improvements would be more so in numbers and most likely would not be visible to the eye according to him since anything beyond Elite would cause diminishing returns

However, improvements would be more so in numbers and most likely would not be visible to the eye according to him since anything beyond Elite would cause diminishing returns

And I think that's the point. Improvements, if any, will more of the 'measurable' variety rather than the 'visual' variety. I think the biggest reason for getting a 141 is space constraints and the desire for a thinner cabinet. But if you don't need that, I think you get more with the 151.

I can't say I agree with your reasoning. Why not have an internal device with the ability to use an external device if you so wish? I'd bet for most people the internal capability such as on the 151 is fine.
I gotta say the home/media gallery on my former 150FD really sucked. It
was painfully slow to read my media, painfully slow to display pics and movies
(it it even supported the format), and horrible for navigation...not to mention
slow for navigation. The output quality for pics was not nearly as good as
could be, and the video often ran choppy... if it did run. The home gallery
was a waste of buttons on my remote and menu system. Its omission is
welcomed by me for sure as a PS3, laptop, etc offers far better or more
flexible processing and navigation. Personally I didn't find any convenience
from it at all.

Further, the sig series is all about the TV being a monitor, and having everything
else external. They're marketing this thing in the same light as their projector:
a device that is professionally installed in such a way that the user shouldn't
have to touch it or have gadgets hanging off of it. It seems pioneer imagined
the kind of person who would purchase the sig and came to the conclusion
such a person would *NOT* use the gallery function. After all, they don't
want to add speakers so why would they want a hard drive and such plugged
into their TV. It's meant to be minimal and focus on the primary function of
a TV, nothing more.

Remember, this TV is for the individual who doesn't want all the frills. Heck, if
media abilities are to be desired, then they should be top notch to match the
quality of the TV.

I too could dump the Media Gallery, but I do like the idea of the USB port and really don't think that would have detracted from the 'minimalist' design.

I just put Pioneer's Elite 101 and 141 .pdf data sheets up.

Enjoy!

-Robert

I too could dump the Media Gallery, but I do like the idea of the USB port and really don't think that would have detracted from the 'minimalist' design.
The port would not detract from the minimalist design, but its usage would.
Besides, if not for the media abilities, what other feature in this TV would
benefit from the USB port? If its not being used, then why bother? It's not
meant to be a jack of all trades by the looks of it.

At BB/Magnolia, the price in their system is $7k. They will work up a good package price, but it is still $400 more than the 151 (no stand either remember).

The date is still August 31. They also will have the BDP-05FD player in on Aug 31.

I went to a different store and they were able to say they can order it for me if I wanted. I went to an independent dealer who said the price was the same as the 151 as far as they knew and it would be the October time frame before it was available.

What is the best price people have on the 141? PM me, I am curious where I stand on this.

To double check, does the 151 stand work on the 141? If so, PM me if you want to sell your 151 stand.

Okay, this is all running together for me. Anyone want to try a list of pros and cons between 111/151 and 101/141? Thanks.

Bottomline is that this is an item whose greatest attribute is going to be exclusivity, plus any bug fixes that they made to the 151FD. In any case, a 151FD will be the same as the 141, the volumes are too low for Pioneer to invest in real R and D, but a nice way to get rid of surplus units from 151 production. Usually, you'd discount to sell more. Pioneer is going the other way! market surplus output as a high end product. That way they get the volume advantage on the 151 in terms of production and sell a higher margin product to those who want it.

Interesting marketing.

Yeah ... interesting if it were true.

The port would not detract from the minimalist design, but its usage would.
Besides, if not for the media abilities, what other feature in this TV would
benefit from the USB port? If its not being used, then why bother? It's not
meant to be a jack of all trades by the looks of it.

I think it's enough to be able to play pix and AVCHD media files directly from the USB stick. I really don't think any other 'benefit' is necessary...but that's me. I've got an AVCHD camcorder and plenty of pix that I could play directly via USB.

But as I said before, there are two choices here, so everyone can pick what works best for them. ;)

I know that there are people out there (I read the posts) that were kinda of going for this set just because they think it would be the same type of step from the 6020, its just not going to be like that (not that the 6020 is any slouch either). Like I said a BUNCH of times, its not what it was meant to be. And like I said before, This set is going to be unbelievable (so is the 151) and you cant get any better. I just think that the 151 would meet alot of peoples needs if they realize that picture quality is not one of the step up features. Yes, it will have a little more "tweakability", but like umr said, I think that the 151 already comes so close in that respect in that its just a case of diminishing returns......

Bottom line here is .... you nor anyone else on this thread actually knows how the 141's picture will compare to the Elite's. Yeah some people "think" they know, but how could they? How can you know how something "looks" if you haven't ever "looked" at it? But I guess for some, speculating is much more fun than just waiting.

Bottom line here is .... you nor anyone else on this thread actually knows how the 141's picture will compare to the Elite's. Yeah some people "think" they know, but how could they? How can you know how something "looks" if you haven't ever "looked" at it? But I guess for some, speculating is much more fun than just waiting.


Fine, think what you wanna think (I dont care)....additional pic adjustments are not going to make a new picture. It's just not what its about, have fun waiting (and hoping)....Im out;)

I just put Pioneer's Elite 101 and 141 .pdf data sheets up.

Enjoy!

-Robert
Robert - Any information or estimated $ for the < 1.0" wall mount shown in 141 data sheet?

Fine, think what you wanna think (I dont care)....additional pic adjustments are not going to make a new picture. It's just not what its about, have fun waiting (and hoping)....Im out;)You don't know ... additional calibration capabilities may make enough of a difference in the picture but also remember that the 101/141 contain cherry picked parts.

I'm eager to see a proper review comparing the picture quality of a professional calibrated 151 versus the 141. A monitor appeals to me but I'm not yet convinced it will be a better choice than the 151 or not (I also will need to pay extra for a stand). I would love to see the 141 deliver significantly cooler operating temperatures and lower energy consumption but I doubt we'll see that. I still would like to see more details on the networking capabilities of this monitor and details about any software support from Pioneer (SDK, etc.).

I asked a question back when the Signatures were first announced but noone ever got back to me. Perhaps one of the dealers or insiders might know by this time. What is the policy concerning replacement parts for the Signature series monitors? Will Pioneer guarantee availability of Signature qualified ("cherry picked") replacement parts and if so, for how long? We would be paying a premium for these higher quality components and I'd hate to see that go out the window if the display needed to be repaired.

I asked a question back when the Signatures were first announced but noone ever got back to me. Perhaps one of the dealers or insiders might know by this time. What is the policy concerning replacement parts for the Signature series monitors? Will Pioneer guarantee availability of Signature qualified ("cherry picked") replacement parts and if so, for how long? We would be paying a premium for these higher quality components and I'd hate to see that go out the window if the display needed to be repaired.

I have not heard any change in the policy yet, Robert can feel free to chime in.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14321762#post14321762

Robert - Any information or estimated $ for the < 1.0" wall mount shown in 141 data sheet?

wow...

i was away for a few days and I came back to this thread to find some sour grapes. I am no convinced there are some that really do not want the 141 to be anything more then the 151 besides a thinner screen. I mean how can people be so confident in how this will or will not perform without anyone seeing it.

Also IMO the current 151 9G elites are not perfection in terms of picture quality so saying that its not possible the 141 could potentially look better with more picture adjustments is negative specualtion; drive by what I have no idea.

Personally the only reason I am set on buying the 141 over the 151 is because the 2.5 thinkness plus the mount I have will make the screen exactly the same thickness as my on wall speakers.

The 141 will very likely be as good as the 151, and possibly even be better with further access to picture adjustments.

As far as I am concerned a plasma which is only 2.5 inches looks better then one which is 3.5 inches.

Hi,

I'm at work and getting crushed but would like to make some progress on purchasing decision:

1) It looks to me from browsing the Pioneer website and here that the best unit for those wanting no speakers, the best monitor, and the smallest surrounding 'bezel' is the Signature 141 FD.

2) Availability?

3) Will I be able to put this on a stand (I'll be moving in a year and do not want to wall mount...

I was considering a Pro 151 but I see no reason to get the Pro 151??? This 141 seems superior in every way, if you don't need the speakers and just run the HDMI from a PS3 or Direct TV...

Also, any thoughts on how this would compare to the NEW Samsung 55 inch 2nd gen backlit LCD coming out within 2 weeks?

...
Also, any thoughts on how this would compare to the NEW Samsung 55 inch 2nd gen backlit LCD coming out within 2 weeks?

Any type of LCD will always perform like an LCD. The 2G LED LCD will no doubt be an excellent LCD display on it's own, but the 9G Kuros are still king of flat panel displays. Forget Sammy and stick with Pio if you want the best pq.

I'm confused...

Pioneer is selling their flat panel buisness to Panasonic... and they are not making any Plamas currently? I also heard the ones being announced at CEDIA will be their last before getting 'bastardized' by Panasonic... So the 141 signature is the older model (none anywhere now) and the 151 Pro is not available yet? And they are announcing another new version at CEDIA which will be their last before handing it off to Panasonic (?) Seems like a FUBAR situation, but I'd like to grab whatever the latest greatest is available... whatever that is :confused:

Health Nut, for the latest Pio panels available, I would suggest visiting: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com

Did that already... Website is not reflective of what is going on behind the scenes. Also, seems like lots of distributors do not want to stock these models...

Ok, so basically the 141 signature monitor and the 151 Pro are this years models. There is another round of new models being announced at CEDIA. Apparently Pioneer and Panasonic are partnering, but it is confusing as to how much will remain Pioneer in the future, especially if Panasonic is going to be building the Pioneer's in the near future...

In summary though, of the current available models, it seems like the 141 signature is still the best or or at least the same as the 151 Pro in terms of picture quality. Is this correct?

Does anybody here have a 141 or 151?

Sig series up on Canadian site as well. No price listed but I would assume 8000$ for the 141 :(

I'm confused...

Pioneer is selling their flat panel buisness to Panasonic... and they are not making any Plamas currently? I also heard the ones being announced at CEDIA will be their last before getting 'bastardized' by Panasonic... So the 141 signature is the older model (none anywhere now) and the 151 Pro is not available yet? And they are announcing another new version at CEDIA which will be their last before handing it off to Panasonic (?) Seems like a FUBAR situation, but I'd like to grab whatever the latest greatest is available... whatever that is :confused:

Hi HealthNut:

Unless something new has happened and I haven't seen an announcement, Pioneer will be outsourcing production of the glass panels to Panasonic starting with the 10G models (next year). Pioneer will continue to produce the guts of their systems, but use panels built to Pioneer specifications by Panasonic to connect to their own Kuro system. Do you know something I don't? This information has been out since late winter. Perhaps there is new information I missed.

Thanks.

-scott

Did that already... Website is not reflective of what is going on behind the scenes. Also, seems like lots of distributors do not want to stock these models...

Ok, so basically the 141 signature monitor and the 151 Pro are this years models. There is another round of new models being announced at CEDIA. Apparently Pioneer and Panasonic are partnering, but it is confusing as to how much will remain Pioneer in the future, especially if Panasonic is going to be building the Pioneer's in the near future...

In summary though, of the current available models, it seems like the 141 signature is still the best or or at least the same as the 151 Pro in terms of picture quality. Is this correct?

Does anybody here have a 141 or 151?

There is an entire theard stickied called 9th gen Kuro Elite for the 151.

That sounds like some pretty hefty speculation to me. I'm interested in knowing more though if in fact you do have inside information you can share. (?)

It seems much, much more likely to me these are spiritual successors to the FHD1. They fill the same niche, and are targeted at that market. That display was certainly not a surplus product - it was the only display of its ilk at the time. Also notice that Pioneer has appeared to abandon their commercial monitor lineup, never giving them Kuro glass or even 1080p glass. So the Signature series could also fill the gap left there also.

To me the FHD1 was their first 1080p plasma which then led to the Kuros. The R and D for the FHD1 was in fact to deliver the 1080p Kuro products. The 141 is nothing like that. It does not take the existing consumer line to new heights in any way. So there is no connection between the FHD1 and the 141. At the time The FHD1 was the only way to get 1080p on a plasma. A big fundamental upgrade.

To me the FHD1 was their first 1080p plasma which then led to the Kuros. The R and D for the FHD1 was in fact to deliver the 1080p Kuro products. The 141 is nothing like that. It does not take the existing consumer line to new heights in any way. So there is no connection between the FHD1 and the 141. At the time The FHD1 was the only way to get 1080p on a plasma. A big fundamental upgrade.

I happen to disagree, but it's ok, we'll just agree to disagree then.

Nevertheless, and back to my main point: What you wrote in the post that I replied to was in fact very much speculative, right?

Thanks.

The Pioneer Elite PRO-111FD review is up on Ultimate AV Mag.

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/808pio111/

If I may ask, would anyone else chose anything other than the signature 141 if all they needed was the monitor? I just want to confirm this is the latest best overall picture quality...

Finally, What is the longevity of plasma and how quickly/gracefully do they age compared to LCD?

Thank-you,

Chris

Sig series up on Canadian site as well. No price listed but I would assume 8000$ for the 141 :(

its possible, two dealers I have spoke to expect it to sell for the same price as the 151. Also perhaps someone can comfirm but I think the 141 and 151 are being sold to the dealers for the same price and only the SRP is up on the 141.

Ooops, I forgot... Is there a stand sold, or that works with the 141FD ??

Also, I want to get my friend in Richmond BC a new HDTV, can I save her money somehow by getting one here?

I happen to disagree, but it's ok, we'll just agree to disagree then.

Nevertheless, and back to my main point: What you wrote in the post that I replied to was in fact very much speculative, right?

Thanks.

I'd call it logical reasoning :)

The PRO FHD-1 was fundamentally different. It was 1080p, ALL Elites were 720p at the time. Not only was it the only 1080p offered by Pioneer, it was the ONLY 1080p plasma that anyone could buy at the time.

If you read through ALL of Pioneers announcements, it is more than obvious that the performance improvements are going to come from better calibration options such as being able to pick gamma settings that are closer together. There may be a few other options. But the Elites are able to be ISF calibrated as well. So, the way I see it, an average person will not be able to take advantage of the finer calibrations options (most likely), while a real expert calibrator will probably get into the service menu and the finer picture controls will be largely useless.

The same could be said of the Elites v. Non Elites. But there the value is in the Elites offering a better anti reflective coating on the glass, better speakers (for those who care) and generally different aesthetics (the Elites I would argue on a stand look quite different without speakers than the non Elites). But I would make the same case there as well. Essentially, the non Elites use the same technology as the Elites from a core video processing capability. The Elites offer more options so to say (It's like buying a car with more options :)) In the case of the 141 v 151 you gain some and lose some and you pay more. The question is is what you gain worth more than what you lose and the price premium? That is clearly a personal question.

If I may ask, would anyone else chose anything other than the signature 141 if all they needed was the monitor? I just want to confirm this is the latest best overall picture quality...

Finally, What is the longevity of plasma and how quickly/gracefully do they age compared to LCD?

Thank-you,

Chris

I think both technologies have reached a stage where longivity is not a factor.

The 141 costs more than a comparable 151. It remains to be seen IF there is real picture quality improvements. Also, IF you need to put the monitor on a stand, the price differential goes up to around $1K.

So all in all it comes down to what you value. IF having the speakers, the tuner, usb ports, stand were things I would have paid to get removed from my display, I'd say the 141 is an easy choice. It's like paying more to get the AC removed from your car, so that it is lighter and therefore perhaps goes faster. So, IF you only care about speed, then buying a car without an AC and paying more for the car (than one with the AC) would be a good idea. Same logic here :)

Any type of LCD will always perform like an LCD. The 2G LED LCD will no doubt be an excellent LCD display on it's own, but the 9G Kuros are still king of flat panel displays. Forget Sammy and stick with Pio if you want the best pq.

you don't know that. give it a doubt of mind

you don't know that. give it a doubt of mind

ups, meant benefit of doubt :)

I think what hooked me on the 141 is the smaller frame around the picture also...

I sort of look at it like a transport vs full analog out BD player with lots of fluff... I'd rather have the transport... more, uneccessary circuitry can only hurt... It is a shame that it costs more though... It is a shame we pay for not having those uneccessary things :) I'll give it the doubt of mind. :D

I definitely want a stand for the 141... I am moving in a year probably... don't want to wall mount... This is for bedroom...

its possible, two dealers I have spoke to expect it to sell for the same price as the 151. Also perhaps someone can comfirm but I think the 141 and 151 are being sold to the dealers for the same price and only the SRP is up on the 141.

I confirmed with my dealer today and he will give me the same deal on a 141 as the 151. According to him the Pio rep quoted him the same price for both



...ZB

I'd call it logical reasoning :)

The PRO FHD-1 was fundamentally different. It was 1080p, ALL Elites were 720p at the time. Not only was it the only 1080p offered by Pioneer, it was the ONLY 1080p plasma that anyone could buy at the time.

Right, I understand the FHD1 was unique in that regard. What I don't believe though is that the Signature series exists merely to use this theoretical surplus of panels you suggest. My point is that this will be Pioneer's first Kuro monitor. I think the most logical conclusion here is that Pioneer has been planning this product for a while. After all they've used some R&D funds to develop the web interface for it, and that was probably no small effort. Some people want a monitor, and don't care about whether this display will offer better PQ than the Elites, and will happily pay the Elite price even the same PQ. This, even while they will give up the tuner and speakers. I think this market is fairly well known and accepted to exist. All Pioneer is doing is entering a Kuro display into it. They aren't just throwing together something together to use up excess panels. IMHO.

Man, this thread is dying...

Well, anyhow, it's 141, XBR8, or 10g (least likely)... Sony just pissed me off
and apparently delayed the release of the XBR8 (idiots) until October (supposedly)
while I have to wait until September for the 141. Bah... maybe I should pick
up a cheap 5080 and just go with the damned 10g late next year. I still think
I'm more pumped into my brand new home for 2009 (January) so perhaps the
joy from that will hold me by until I get a 10g. Thoughts?

I'm going to check out D-Nice's review of the 111FD.

edit: D-Nice, what a great review! I guess September isn't so far off...

Well since there's a lull I'll ask my question yet again ...

... What is the policy concerning replacement parts for the Signature series monitors? Will Pioneer guarantee availability of Signature qualified ("cherry picked") replacement parts and if so, for how long? We would be paying a premium for these higher quality components and I'd hate to see that go out the window if the display needed to be repaired.

It may be that we'll have to wait until the monitors ship before we know the answer to this one.

Man, this thread is dying...

Well, anyhow, it's 141, XBR8, or 10g (least likely)... Sony just pissed me off
and apparently delayed the release of the XBR8 (idiots) until October (supposedly)
while I have to wait until September for the 141. Bah... maybe I should pick
up a cheap 5080 and just go with the damned 10g late next year. I still think
I'm more pumped into my brand new home for 2009 (January) so perhaps the
joy from that will hold me by until I get a 10g. Thoughts?

I'm going to check out D-Nice's review of the 111FD.

edit: D-Nice, what a great review! I guess September isn't so far off...Canadian pricing is now listed. 7499$ for the 141FD and 4999$ for the 101FD. Again with the bizarre pricing. 101 is cheaper in Canada and the 141 is more expensive??

Just to recap what we know the monitors have beyond the Elite TVs here's my list:

When I was trained on the monitors I was shown several specialized and new menu structures with lots of sub menus and settings. They were the IP control menu, an advanced user menu and the Integrator's menu. I cut some classes early and went back to the monitor class and one time I took some nice detailed screen shots, which I posted on my Kuro page. A while back I was asked to take them down as it was more than they were ready to release. I'll ask for permission to put them back up as now the .pdf's are out.

Also the monitors do have a few settings the TV do not, such as mirror mode,
blue mode, as well as built in ISF C3 software.

Hand picked glass and thinner profile chassis with less line voltage current draw. You will be presented with a very nice book with the first registered owners personalized VIP registration.

141's will begin to ship within two weeks in very limited supply.

-Robert

You will be presented with a very nice book with the first registered owners personalized VIP registration.


considering how gaga some people are over getting the Kuro sticker on their display im sure the premium price in the US will be worth it alone :)

I think ill us a picture of the book as my new avatar. :)

Canadian pricing is now listed. 7499$ for the 141FD and 4999$ for the 101FD. Again with the bizarre pricing. 101 is cheaper in Canada and the 141 is more expensive??
Thanks.

So, what do you guys think? Go for the 141, or get a 5080 now (really cheap)
and consider a 10g next year. It seems FS here in Canada has a good deal
currently going.

5080, wait for the 10g at the end of 2009 or early 2010

151 period - awesome!

Just to recap what we know the monitors have beyond the Elite TVs here's my list:

When I was trained on the monitors I was shown several specialized and new menu structures with lots of sub menus and settings. They were the IP control menu, an advanced user menu and the Integrator's menu. I cut some classes early and went back to the monitor class and one time I took some nice detailed screen shots, which I posted on my Kuro page. A while back I was asked to take them down as it was more than they were ready to release. I'll ask for permission to put them back up as now the .pdf's are out.

Also the monitors do have a few settings the TV do not, such as mirror mode,
blue mode, as well as built in ISF C3 software.

Hand picked glass and thinner profile chassis with less line voltage current draw. You will be presented with a very nice book with the first registered owners personalized VIP registration.

141's will begin to ship within two weeks in very limited supply.

-Robert

Robert,

Do you know (or are you able to release info about this) how the PIP and Picture side Picture controls work with regards to inputs? For the regular Elites, one of the inputs needs to be the antenna input, but since the Signature Elites do not have a tuner/antenna input, are there any restrictions on which inputs can be PIPed? Can one HDMI in put be PIPed or put side-by-side with another HDMI and/or Component?

Looking through the manual on Pio sebsite, it appears this is the case - Any input PIP.

^^ correct, sorry I took so long to reply. From what I was told you can select any four sources to display.

-Robert

Looking through the manual on Pio sebsite, it appears this is the case - Any input PIP.

When I was looking at the 141 manual, I didn't find it to be clear on what inputs could be PIPed, unless I missed it. The 151 manual was equally vague in that I did not find anywhere where it said that one of the inputs had to be the antenna and so I wasn't sure if maybe there was some sort of the same type of limitation where one of the inputs had to be, for example, component, and it just wasn't spelled out.

From what I was told you can select any four sources to display.

-Robert

Thanks so much for replying as it's good to know that at least you've been told that is supposed to be the case.

I ordered my Pio 141 and am picking it up on Thursday.... The stand has to come in a little later though...

I ordered my Pio 141 and am picking it up on Thursday.... The stand has to come in a little later though...

Aha - nice. Who did you order it from? Can any Elite dealer order the 141 now?

^^ Yes, last week they showed up on our dealer price/order form.

-Robert

I ordered my Pio 141 and am picking it up on Thursday.... The stand has to come in a little later though...

Any info on the stand? What it looks like, cost, etc. I called Pioneer to ask and the guy put me on hold for awhile then said they didn't have a part number for it so he couldn't tell me anything. Asked for my name and number and said he would find out and call me back. Never did get a call.

I ordered my Pio 141 and am picking it up on Thursday.... The stand has to come in a little later though...

Very good sign

^^ Yes, last week they showed up on our dealer price/order form.

-Robert

How about 50"? Have that one too. I recall reading somewhere that they would be available a month after 141. I may be wrong though

How about 50"? Have that one too. I recall reading somewhere that they would be available a month after 141. I may be wrong though

The rumor is next month. The pricing has been out on both for a while for vendor pre orders.

The rumor is next month. The pricing has been out on both for a while for vendor pre orders.
How's married life been treating you thus far?

It's too early to ask, lol.
Give Roman a few years. ;)

Geez, I keep going over numbers for the new house (this coming January) and
there are just too many variables! It's looking more and more like I'll have to
stick with the 4280 as my primary TV until sometime after I move-in. To think
I could save approx $2K on a deal now but may have to wait until January to
be sure on the new home. Man, this sucks. I'm going to talk to my Lawyer later
today to get an approximation of the closing costs. Taxes, lawyer fees, and all
that jazz can really make a guy go nuts.

By the way, whomever gets their 141's, please post pics... and lots of them.
From behind, side, front, day, night, angled, menus... you gotta do me a fav!

:)

How's married life been treating you thus far?

LOL Yes it is too early to tell, but I am happy ;)

LOL Yes it is too early to tell, but I am happy ;)
Glad to hear it. Married life is wonderful. It's only been a few years for me and I can't even imagine life without my wife or my one year old son. Oh...got another one on the way too! Looks like a boy. Either that or he has a third leg.

By the way, whomever gets their 141's, please post pics... and lots of them.
From behind, side, front, day, night, angled, menus... you gotta do me a fav!

:)

I am sure you should see some soon!

jrcorwin congrats for sure!

I am sure you should see some soon!

jrcorwin congrats for sure!

Thank you Roman.

Any info on the stand? What it looks like, cost, etc. I called Pioneer to ask and the guy put me on hold for awhile then said they didn't have a part number for it so he couldn't tell me anything. Asked for my name and number and said he would find out and call me back. Never did get a call.
Pioneer called me back on the signature stand.
From their site: 50" stand KRP-TS02 $200, 60" stand KRP-TS01 $400

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14297945#post14297945

Pioneer called me back on the signature stand.
From their site: 50" stand KRP-TS02 $200, 60" stand KRP-TS01 $400

Just got a phone call from my salesman that the 141 has just landed in the store. Just waiting for my furniture to arrive and hope to pick up everything in the next couple days.

To me the IP connectivity just looks like it gives you the option of controlling/calibrating your display from a computer. I can see how this would be usefull in commercial/corporate settings where you need to control the display(s) remotely.

But for home use though??? It would be cool if I could use a laptop as a remote with a seperate control screen. What I mean is will I be able to use a laptop to select inputs, change settings in such a way that the laptop always has the control screen on while the 141 is displaying a signal? Or does the control screen always pop up on the 141 when any changes are made remotely?

Looks like some 141's are showing up as I type this at some places

I too just got a call my 141 has landed but my new elite blue ray player has not come in yet nor has the wall mount for the 141 =( I will post pics as soon as the mount atleast comes in and she gets hung.

Awesome stuff! Looking forward to seeing your pictures!

I too just got a call my 141 has landed but my new elite blue ray player has not come in yet nor has the wall mount for the 141 =( I will post pics as soon as the mount atleast comes in and she gets hung.

Blu Rays should see next week at some places.

Pioneer called me back on the signature stand.
From their site: 50" stand KRP-TS02 $200, 60" stand KRP-TS01 $400

Does the stand do a 15 degree swivel?

Mine is in and will be installed Tuesday.

Be advised that the monoprice low profile 37"-63" plasma bracket will not work with this display.

Bracket Dimensions
8 7/8 x 32"

Mounting holes on 141
33 15/32"

can anyone recomend one which has a 2" profile from back of display to the wall?

Blu Rays should see next week at some places.Some people on the blu-ray forum have already received the BDP-05 :D:D:D Have you heard anything new about the BDP-09?? I got an e-mail about it and am verryy interested in that over the 05

wow..

I am searching for a brack that fits this display and its no easy task. I am almost wondering if Pioneer purposely made thier mounting holes "non standard" so you are force to buy thier very over priced bracket.

Sorry if this has already been answered. However, does the 141 and 151 have the exact same mounting hole locations on the rear of the panel?

My 151 is starting to buzz a bit louder than before. Therefore, I'm thinking about doing an even exchange for the 141 (at BB/Mag). Thanks!

Be advised that the monoprice low profile 37"-63" plasma bracket will not work with this display.

Bracket Dimensions
8 7/8 x 32"

Mounting holes on 141
33 15/32"

can anyone recomend one which has a 2" profile from back of display to the wall?

I just hung my 151FD with a Sanus Systems VMPL3B wall mount. With the low profile non-tilt brackets, the back of the display is only 1.5" off the wall.

You could use this bracket with any hole spacing (even 141) because you can slide the plasma horizontally and then lock it down. The over width of the back plate can be expanded up to 48", which is what I did.

Very impressed with this bracket. Made well, easy to install.

Does the stand do a 15 degree swivel?

no, it's the same basic bottom type stand used on the Kuro and Kuro Elites, two stand legs with a plastic cover.

I too just got a call my 141 has landed but my new elite blue ray player has not come in yet nor has the wall mount for the 141 =( I will post pics as soon as the mount atleast comes in and she gets hung.
Is this the special mount made for 141 noted in pdf and if so, how much? Do you know who makes it? (ie can you buy from someone else for less?) Regards - BA

Just to recap what we know the monitors have beyond the Elite TVs here's my list:

When I was trained on the monitors I was shown several specialized and new menu structures with lots of sub menus and settings. They were the IP control menu, an advanced user menu and the Integrator's menu. I cut some classes early and went back to the monitor class and one time I took some nice detailed screen shots, which I posted on my Kuro page. A while back I was asked to take them down as it was more than they were ready to release. I'll ask for permission to put them back up as now the .pdf's are out.

Also the monitors do have a few settings the TV do not, such as mirror mode,
blue mode, as well as built in ISF C3 software.

Hand picked glass and thinner profile chassis with less line voltage current draw. You will be presented with a very nice book with the first registered owners personalized VIP registration.

141's will begin to ship within two weeks in very limited supply.

-Robert
Is the special mount for the 141 (noted in pdf) the thinnest made for it period, and if so, roughly what is pricing? Do you know who makes it? (ie can you buy from someone else direct for less) - I have not been able to find via major suppliers yet? Regards - BA

Is the special mount for the 141 (noted in pdf) the thinnest made for it period, and if so, roughly what is pricing? Do you know who makes it? (ie can you buy from someone else direct for less) - I have not been able to find via major suppliers yet? Regards - BA

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/Accessories/ci.KRP-WM01.Kuro
assuming you are talking about this, they are very hard to get

Some people on the blu-ray forum have already received the BDP-05 :D:D:D Have you heard anything new about the BDP-09?? I got an e-mail about it and am verryy interested in that over the 05

I guess we are just late here ;) 05 is the only info I have

Mine is in and will be installed Tuesday.

Are you talking about the 141? If so, I'm assuming you're in Canada... am I right?

Sorry if this has been posted. Pioneer USA's site now gives the following suggested prices:
PRO-141FD $7000
PRO-151FD $6500

Sorry if this has already been answered. However, does the 141 and 151 have the exact same mounting hole locations on the rear of the panel?

Nevermind. Contacted the Pio rep, who said they are exactly the same.

Got a call from my dealer here in Canada yesterday and my PRO-141FD arrived yesterday. It was delivered today!!!!
I have not taken it out of the box yet because I need the base/pedestal for it and it has not arrived as of yet.
I am sooo excited!!!!

That is awesome.

I am using my 151FD strictly as a monitor... would have loved the ability to turn on/off the display via network connection like you can with your 141. That is a cool feature!

Can someone suggest an articulating wall mount for the 141?

^^ We use Peerless Industries PLA60 (http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Products/BrowseProduct.aspx/tn/60/u/f/av/8470) and their SA760P (http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Products/BrowseProduct.aspx/tn/66/u/f/av/8470)

-Robert

List of wall mounts that fit 141?

So far I know only one - Sanus VMPL3.

Any other mounts?

Picked up my 141 FD, saw a couple other sitting in the warehouse as well. it is in the back of my Sequoia right now... have to finish work and then I'll take it home... Don't have the stand yet so not sure if I'll open it tonight or not... Depends on how strong the girl is who is coming over tonight... Huge box for sure. Took the lid off the box to inspect it before taking it and it looks beautiful....

Sorry if this has already been answered. However, does the 141 and 151 have the exact same mounting hole locations on the rear of the panel?

My 151 is starting to buzz a bit louder than before. Therefore, I'm thinking about doing an even exchange for the 141 (at BB/Mag). Thanks!

Not sure why there would be any difference in the buzz between these two panels.

List of wall mounts that fit 141?

So far I know only one - Sanus VMPL3.

Any other mounts?

If you go to Peerless website and search under Pioneer 151FD that will give you more options as well. 141 is not listed yet but its the same

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/Accessories/ci.KRP-WM01.Kuro
assuming you are talking about this, they are very hard to get
Not sure about dealer channels, but I ordered the KRP-WM01 from Pioneer's website today and it has already shipped.

Not sure about dealer channels, but I ordered the KRP-WM01 from Pioneer's website today and it has already shipped.

It should get better for everyone soon, I hope :)

Can someone suggest an articulating wall mount for the 141?

Sanus VMSD26 or something like that

Not sure why there would be any difference in the buzz between these two panels.

Yeah. Would be just pure speculation/hope on my part that the purported "better" components & quality control on the 141 would equate to fewer problems than the 151... like excessive buzzing.

Don't know, may just decide to exchange for another 151...

I thought the 141 had a completely different power supply than the 151 as well as no tuner which were both said to be contributing factors in the 151 buzzing problems.

I thought the 141 had a completely different power supply than the 151 as well as no tuner which were both said to be contributing factors in the 151 buzzing problems.Since when does the 151FD power supply buzz?

Since when does the 151FD power supply buzz?

I dont know that it does I was just repeating what I have read on here thats all. I dont even know if the tuner causes it to buzz again just repeating what I have read on here. Im a noob through and through just trying to form an opinion from all the different ones on here.

Can someone suggest an articulating wall mount for the 141?

I'm currently using the Peerless model PLAV60. You will also need to purchase the appropriate adapter plate made specifically for the PRO-150/151/141. The model for that adapter plate is PLP-NEC61.

This is a very nice looking articulating wall mount (if you care about such things), is extremely functional and built like a tank. It's rated for up to 175 lbs, so will be plenty for your application. I've been very happy with mine. You can pick up both the mount and adapter plate for under $360 if you search around the internet. Good luck!

I dont know that it does I was just repeating what I have read on here thats all. I dont even know if the tuner causes it to buzz again just repeating what I have read on here. Im a noob through and through just trying to form an opinion from all the different ones on here.

I've had some discussions with him on a different thread but it will be relevant here. The three different 151s that I've had all had a buzz to varying degrees and they all emanated from the same area. It is the upper left of the tv (when facing the screen) from the back of the panel. I don't have a picture with me but from memory there are a few horizontal holes in that area and you can see wires through the holes. I don't know if that is the power supply or some other area.

Other posters around here who have experienced "the buzz" have said that their displays buzz comes from the same area.

It is the upper left of the tv (when facing the screen) from the back of the panel.That is the location of the X-Drive assembly. The power supply is located in the upper center of the panel's backside.

I picked up a KRP-WM01 today.......nice, it's less than an inch thick.

http://www.pbase.com/image/102004633.jpg

John

Picked up my 141 FD, saw a couple other sitting in the warehouse as well. it is in the back of my Sequoia right now... have to finish work and then I'll take it home... Don't have the stand yet so not sure if I'll open it tonight or not... Depends on how strong the girl is who is coming over tonight... Huge box for sure. Took the lid off the box to inspect it before taking it and it looks beautiful....

So where's your photos and first thoughts. My allocation comes in on Tuesday. It's a drag being geographically disadvantaged. Us East coasters need to wait a few days longer than our west coast brothers. Monday we're making room for a prime display spot to wall mount this thin panel.

We will get great value and experience by using our 141 demo unit as a test lab for all new BD players that come across eager hands.

Let the games begin...

-Robert

Robert the East Coast got the 151's earlier ;)

^^ I know you are correct, but this never happened before and is not the case with the 141s. All Pioneer products are FOB San Diego and or Ontario, CA.

-Robert

Robert are you sending Dnice a 141 so he will have a Sig series to review?

I've had some discussions with him on a different thread but it will be relevant here. The three different 151s that I've had all had a buzz to varying degrees and they all emanated from the same area. It is the upper left of the tv (when facing the screen) from the back of the panel. I don't have a picture with me but from memory there are a few horizontal holes in that area and you can see wires through the holes. I don't know if that is the power supply or some other area.

Other posters around here who have experienced "the buzz" have said that their displays buzz comes from the same area.

the main buzz issue that gives the majority of 8g and 9g owners a problem comes directly from the front panel not from the rear. yes have seen a few report with the 9g that some buzz is coming from the rear but it's unusual to have multiple 151s giving you a buzz issue all coming from the rear of the panel. hope they can get you a fourth one that doesnt buzz from the rear or front.

Does anyone know if the Pioneer mount made for the 141 is capable of tilting forward and back or side to side? Also, I'd like a mount that might "float and tilt" like the Sanus one. I just don't know which model would fit the 141. Thanks. Dave.

I really can do much until the stand comes in... It looks beautiful sitting there though :) I really hope this trend of "monitors" continues. It is just wasteful, bigger, and undesireable to have tuners, speakers, and uneccessary electronics... the 141FD is ideal :D

I hope it doesn't take to long for the stand to come in... Anyone happen to know ho much height the stsand will add to the TV? I'm hoping no more than 3 inches... 2 prefferably... How many holes are needed for wall mounting... I suppose I could have just wall mounted after all... just didn't feel like repairing lots of drywall when I leave in a year... but now I realize I'll probably have to mount the speakers to the wall and would use 1 inch holes for toggle bolts anyway... so could probably just wall mount. How many toggle bolts are required? What size toggle bolts? 1/4" ??

Does anyone know if the Pioneer mount made for the 141 is capable of tilting forward and back or side to side? Also, I'd like a mount that might "float and tilt" like the Sanus one. I just don't know which model would fit the 141. Thanks. Dave.

Good question. I'm starting to wonder if I should just get a wall mount instead of wasting $350 (??) on a stand... may as well put that toward a nice wall mount (?) What would be the best cost no object wall mount for the 141?

Does anyone know if the Pioneer mount made for the 141 is capable of tilting forward and back or side to side? Also, I'd like a mount that might "float and tilt" like the Sanus one. I just don't know which model would fit the 141. Thanks. Dave.

Hi Dave,

No, it bolts solidly to the wall thus no movement is possible........the panel simply lifts on and off the wall bracket.

http://www.pbase.com/image/102038484.jpg

John

Are you talking about the 141? If so, I'm assuming you're in Canada... am I right?

yes...and i changed it to a monday install. I plan on posting before, durring and after photos. Its going to be mounted flat on a brick wall.

I simply can't understand why one of you lucky bastards isn't tripping over him (or her) self to be the first to post a photo!? Whatever happened to good ole competition? C'mon, who's going to be the first to cross the finish line? Think Olympic gold!!!! Think Krispy Kreme Kuro!!!

^^ Totally! I mean, when the 6010's came out last year, guys were posting
pics of their TVs standing up in the styrofoam! They weren't even using the
stand yet. :)

I really can do much until the stand comes in... It looks beautiful sitting there though :) I really hope this trend of "monitors" continues. It is just wasteful, bigger, and undesireable to have tuners, speakers, and uneccessary electronics... the 141FD is ideal :D



Health Nut, any pix of the panel for us? :)

+1

No kidding! I just want to see one in its native habitat.

Also, I'm anxious for someone to plug in a computer to the network port and show pics of the web interface.

I can use my cell phone to take some pics... I have to admit, I'm probably not as excited as I should be, but that is only because the main theater is using a 11.5' wide cine-curve and a C3X 1080 projector (Sim2 3 chip DLP).

I still have it in an adjacent room... I need to get a mount yet.... Yes, not in its native environemnt yet... The main theater is the exciting area though...

any thoughts on mounts? I have a stand coming, but now that I'm thinking about it, I'm going to have to drill holes for wall mounting speakers (rental home), so I may as well drill a few more! I'm going to have to repair the drywall anyway....

Any recommendations on the best wall mounts?

im buying the sanus VMPL3-01

I have found very few mounts fit the holes of the 60" pioneers.

Whats the book like that comes with the 141?

Also it doesnt actually say "Signature" on the frame of the sceen anywhere does it?

RE: Health Nut Post #478 12:52 p.m. ^^^^^I LOVE IT!

Thin is in, and I can see a difference over the 151 in the pic.

Health Nut, thanks for posting this first shot! Please take a few more - side and back panel view - same quality is fine. You win the prize for first reveal.

And Roman, bring it on!!!

Health Nut are you a masseuse? Is that a person on the table reflecting off the TV?

LoL

Here is a shot from the side:

Hehe... No... I just have a massage table in that room and there is a body contour cushion set on top... I spent enough effort keeping my reflection off of the picture :) Unlike the famous nude reflection off of the EBAY ad... :D

I can use my cell phone to take some pics...
OH, that looks nice! Thanks.

Here is a shot from the side:Looks awesome. Mine is coming next week. I already have the wall mount up and the wall wired.

Just imagine a few years from now when Pioneer releases a 60" panel that is 1cm thick.

Here is a shot from the side:

That alone is worth getting the 141 over the 151.

Very cool. Cant wait to have it installed.

The Sanus wall mount look like it comes out from the wall more than a typical flat mount. I don't think I would need the angling, especially if it means sticking out from the wall more...

I think the best option would be for closest against the wall... what are the choices I have to pick from for the 60" 141FD ???

RE: Health Nut Post #478 12:52 p.m. ^^^^^I LOVE IT!

Thin is in, and I can see a difference over the 151 in the pic.

Health Nut, thanks for posting this first shot! Please take a few more - side and back panel view - same quality is fine. You win the prize for first reveal.

And Roman, bring it on!!!

;)

Looks like the KRP-WM01 is the way to go.... Shame I didn't plan ahead, I could have mounted it already.... Anyone have a KRP-WM01 I can buy? I need to order one I guess.... Anyone drop ship one today? :)

Thin is in, and I can see a difference over the 151 in the pic.

Health Nut, thanks for posting this first shot! Please take a few more - side and back panel view - same quality is fine. You win the prize for first reveal.

And Roman, bring it on!!!

ProShooter, what difference do you see in the pix? I must be missing it. In fact I was a bit surprised the bezel wasn't thinner in width...not sure why I thought it was. But from the pix I don't think I could tell any diff at all.

Does anyone know if the color filter on the 141 is the same as the 151? If not, what are the differences?

Here is a shot from the side:

Now there I can see a difference! :)

i can use my cell phone to take some pics...


thank you thank you thank you!!!

The Sanus wall mount look like it comes out from the wall more than a typical flat mount. I don't think I would need the angling, especially if it means sticking out from the wall more...

I think the best option would be for closest against the wall... what are the choices I have to pick from for the 60" 141FD ???


Actually the Sanus vmpl models need an additional special adaptor in order to work with the 60" Pioneer TV's. The mounting holes on the pioneer 60" TV are VESA 900 standard and are too far apart for most standard wall mounts VESA 600/800. I would recommend the Promounts UF-PRO300 or UT-PRO310.

The pro300 is about 1 inch of the wall, so very close to the pioneer mount.

Actually the Sanus vmpl models need an additional special adaptor in order to work with the 60" Pioneer TV's. The mounting holes on the pioneer 60" TV are VESA 900 standard and are too far apart for most standard wall mounts VESA 600/800. I would recommend the Promounts UF-PRO300 or UT-PRO310.

The pro300 is about 1 inch of the wall, so very close to the pioneer mount.????? Are you sure. I have the VMPL3B on the wall right now.

????? Are you sure. I have the VMPL3B on the wall right now.

I don't remember the VMPL3B model of the top of my head, but if its the extendable version then you have no problems. It's the fixed versions that need the adaptor plates.

Basically you need to make sure that the length of the actual wall plate is 34" or longer. As the distance between the mounting holes on the 60" pioneer is approximately 32-1/2 inches. So anything shorter then 34" and one side of the TV is not going to secure to the wall plate.

I don't remember the VMPL3B model of the top of my head, but if its the extendable version then you have no problems. It's the fixed versions that need the adaptor plates.

Basically you need to make sure that the length of the actual wall plate is 34" or longer. As the distance between the mounting holes on the 60" pioneer is approximately 32-1/2 inches. So anything shorter then 34" and one side of the TV is not going to secure to the wall plate.VMPL3B is 42" so I'm good (whew!)

The Sanus wall mount look like it comes out from the wall more than a typical flat mount. I don't think I would need the angling, especially if it means sticking out from the wall more...

I think the best option would be for closest against the wall... what are the choices I have to pick from for the 60" 141FD ???

Tha Sanus (which I just bought) comes with BOTH the low profile (1.5") and tilting (2.5") bracket. You use one or the other. It will fit the 141 out of the box.

Tha Sanus (which I just bought) comes with BOTH the low profile (1.5") and tilting (2.5") bracket. You use one or the other. It will fit the 141 out of the box.

Which model did you get? I wasn't aware they had a model with both tilting and fixed bracket in one box.

which model did you get? I wasn't aware they had a model with both tilting and fixed bracket in one box.

vmpl3

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