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http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1424

Finally a film that's 80+ years old. How are they going to do this one without destroying the prints?

I'm really curious to see how this will come out. Count me in. I was going to watch this on AMC, but those damn commercials.
7.1MA please.;):rolleyes:

edit- that bit about the 7.1MA is a joke. Or is it way too subtle?
(misspelled too as to, too)

The movie had a 2K restoration a few years back that most praised.

They should add the Georgio Moroder version just to show how it shouldn't be done!

Finally a film that's 80+ years old. How are they going to do this one without destroying the prints?

I'm really curious to see how this will come out. Count me in. I was going to watch this on AMC, but those damn commercials.
7.1MA please.;):rolleyes:


7.1 MA? Seriously? Why?

Too bad we will never see the original print.

Or is it way to subtle?
No, it was way too subtle.;)
This will be interesting and a must buy.
I have the Kino DVD and it has it's shortcomings but a B&W silent film in Hi-Def, how could anyone pass this up?
Xylon will have to do some screen caps.

7.1 will be for the music score, which is actually recorded too fast. We'll never get the film at the true frame rate. It's always been shown sped up because of the expense and dofficulty in doing it correctly. Oh well.

Much of the cut material is lost forever, so the restoration is as good as one can get.

The Mororder version is the first version I saw and I still love it. I've ported the Laserdisc over to DVD with the soundtrack in glorious PCM (no bullsh!t DD for me). Because of music rights it will never again see the light of day, legally that is.

Wow, this is great news!

The sooner we start getting old classics like this on Blu, the better.

Can La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc be far behind? :)

Absolutely incredible news ! I saw the restoration at the Michigan theater in Ann Arbor. Top notch all the way but was pretty badly edge enhanced on the DVD which didn't have to happen since the film elements were very very good.

It looks like some guys over on that BD forum know people at Kino, I hope they implore them to do it right.

Art

Wow, this is great news!
The sooner we start getting old classics like this on Blu, the better.
Can La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc be far behind? :)
How about Faust?:cool:

Killer news! I can't wait for this one.

I clicked into this thread expecting it to be about the anime, this is better news.

Awesome news. I have the Kino DVD and loved the quality of that. I wish the Kino DVD was the only version available right now, because the public domain releases do way more harm then good. Here's hoping it'll look even better on Blu-Ray.

Surprising there hasn't been a modern big-budget remake of Metropolis. Oops, I forgot.....it's called The Matrix.

Surprising there hasn't been a modern big-budget remake of Metropolis. Oops, I forgot.....it's called The Matrix.

;)

Wow, this is great news!

The sooner we start getting old classics like this on Blu, the better.

Can La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc be far behind? :)


That would be Criterion - not currently in the pipeline according to them. Remastering not in the schedule yet either. Appears to be in the same boat as Andrei Rublev.

They should add the Georgio Moroder version just to show how it shouldn't be done!

I love the Moroder version, I definitely hope they add it as an awesomely entertaining alternative. In fact they could really do the sound nice in that case.

That would be Criterion - not currently in the pipeline according to them. Remastering not in the schedule yet either. Appears to be in the same boat as Andrei Rublev.

Well, we could just keep this ball rolling on all the great classics that Criterion has that we want on Blu!

I have the Criterion DVD's of both Passion and Andrei Rublev.

I just hope that Criterion will start gearing up for some releases on BD before too long.

Wow, this is great news!

The sooner we start getting old classics like this on Blu, the better.

Can La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc be far behind? :)

I agree. La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc is one of the most incredible pieces I have ever seen.

I'd also love to see Un Chien Andalou. Speaking of alternative soundtracks, an old musician friend of mine made a sountrack to this Bunuel film. To me it matches the film perfectly, and equals it in artistic genius. Too bad I only have a VHS dub (and no longer friends with the guy).

Surprising there hasn't been a modern big-budget remake of Metropolis. Oops, I forgot.....it's called The Matrix.
...I was hoping for the anime. :(

Wow, this is great news!

The sooner we start getting old classics like this on Blu, the better.

Can La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc be far behind? :)

One of the finest films of the silent era... I would buy that in a heartbeat! Please, please, please!


Yancy

they found the lost footage.:eek:
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/metropolis-vorab-englisch

This seems a little too convenient. I think they're are just doing this to hype up the BD release. Honestly if anyone actually cared, it would have been found a long time ago. :rolleyes:

Works out well for me I guess. I haven't watched it.
btw-I got that link from the bits.

they found the lost footage.:eek:
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/metropolis-vorab-englisch

This seems a little too convenient. I think they're are just doing this to hype up the BD release. Honestly if anyone actually cared, it would have been found a long time ago. :rolleyes:

Works out well for me I guess. I haven't watched it.
btw-I got that link from the bits.
Yeah, it's all a great big conspiracy. They hid this footage for 80 years just to "hype" the BD. Uh huh.

What's with this bizarre cynicism? It's a good and exciting thing that the missing footage of this classic has been found, and it's great that it can now be included on the BD.

Also, just because it wasn't found until now doesn't mean people didn't care.

Can't believe the "lost" version will be restored in time for a 2009 release. Could take a couple of years so I bet the 2009 BD release will be the edited version.

Yeah, it's all a great big conspiracy. They hid this footage for 80 years just to "hype" the BD. Uh huh.

What's with this bizarre cynicism? It's a good and exciting thing that the missing footage of this classic has been found, and it's great that it can now be included on the BD.

Also, just because it wasn't found until now doesn't mean people didn't care.
It's official now. No one can take a joke on these boards.:eek: I give up. It is awesome news. But it does seem a little too convenient.;)

they found the lost footage.:eek:
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/metropolis-vorab-englisch

This seems a little too convenient. I think they're are just doing this to hype up the BD release. Honestly if anyone actually cared, it would have been found a long time ago. :rolleyes:

Works out well for me I guess. I haven't watched it.
btw-I got that link from the bits.

Cool! Now we get to see the missing Clark Kent/Superman scenes! ;) :D

they found the lost footage.:eek:
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/metropolis-vorab-englisch

What I don't like is that this seems to be a copy of a copy. If it were an original print from the negative it would be great.

What I don't like is that this seems to be a copy of a copy. If it were an original print from the negative it would be great.

Guess they should just junk it then :rolleyes:

In all seriousness though, this is some of the best news ever! A near, if not completely complete version of Metropolis. I sincerely hope Kino delays their Blu-Ray release until they can release the entire thing. It'd be the proper thing to do, and a street date pushback that I wouldn't mind one bit!

It's official now. No one can take a joke on these boards.:eek: I give up. It is awesome news. But it does seem a little too convenient.;)
If I'd known it was a joke...

It's doubtful Kino will stop the tracks on their BD release. This will likely turn into a double dip for the impatient. The rest of us will wait.

Terrific news, no matter what condition footage is in.

Guess they should just junk it then :rolleyes:

In all seriousness though, this is some of the best news ever! A near, if not completely complete version of Metropolis. I sincerely hope Kino delays their Blu-Ray release until they can release the entire thing. It'd be the proper thing to do, and a street date pushback that I wouldn't mind one bit!

I definitely agree.

Guess they should just junk it then :rolleyes:

Of course not. :rolleyes:
But it will stand out in the final restoration like a sore thumb, if that's what it is.

Wow, this is great news!

The sooner we start getting old classics like this on Blu, the better.

Can La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc be far behind? :)

Greatest film ever made, IMHO. The Richard Einhorn score for the restoration is a breathtaking piece of music. I'd shell out bigtime for this on BRD. Not to give Criterion any ideas...

It's doubtful Kino will stop the tracks on their BD release. This will likely turn into a double dip for the impatient.
Uh oh. Think again. You know what if this wasn't such awesome news I would say that 'someone got completely pwned(with a capital P)

More good news from the bits
All right... we've got one last post for you today, because this just couldn't wait until Monday. We've just heard back from our friends over at Kino International. The good news is that they have officially confirmed that the newly-discovered footage from Fritz Lang's original version of Metropolis (which we mentioned yesterday) WILL be a part of the forthcoming special edition Blu-ray Disc release in 2009. What's more, the new special edition will be released on standard DVD format as well on the same day. Watch for more details on this sure-to-be-amazing release in the weeks and months ahead.

Uh oh. Think again. You know what if this wasn't such awesome news I would say that 'someone got completely pwned(with a capital P)

More good news from the bits


Wow. Either the "found" copy is in great shape or it's going to be on an extra disc, presented as best they can.

Wouldn't the film be on nitrate or whatever the rather explosive film stock was? And wouldn't the film be sticking together? Surprised that it doesn't take a while to just stabilize the film stock, let alone restore it. But what do I know? I can't recall the last time I touched film stock.

Hope there's an extra on the disc which shows what condition it was in and how it was restored.

Even though I won't go there anymore, it's good to see TDB talking about films and not formats.
This really is outstanding news if true, the full-length version of Metropolis available after all this time. Wow.
As I remember Josaphat's role was greatly diminished as was Fredersen's PI.
Regardless of the condition, and it may turn out to be much better than expected since it was in a private collection, this is a real find.
Hopefully we get more Rotwang too. What a great name and character.
Anyone who could design a robot like that can't be all bad.

Absolutely incredible news ! I saw the restoration at the Michigan theater in Ann Arbor. Top notch all the way but was pretty badly edge enhanced on the DVD which didn't have to happen since the film elements were very very good.

It looks like some guys over on that BD forum know people at Kino, I hope they implore them to do it right.

Art

Yes Art, I agree. This is great news!
I have seen this twice in theaters. Once at the Michigan Theater in Ann Arbor and once at the Michigan Theater in Jackson MI. The showing at Jackson was accompanied by piano. About midway through the movie, they stopped and took a 15 minute intermission to let the pianist take a break.
This was truly a treat for me and an experience I'll never forget.
I'll be buying this on BD when it is released.

Fantastic news. Revolutionary, one of a kind movie. The classics keep on coming :)

One thing I really like about threads like this is that you can see who the true film lovers are. :cool:

Yes Art, I agree. This is great news!
I have seen this twice in theaters. Once at the Michigan Theater in Ann Arbor and once at the Michigan Theater in Jackson MI. The showing at Jackson was accompanied by piano. About midway through the movie, they stopped and took a 15 minute intermission to let the pianist take a break.
This was truly a treat for me and an experience I'll never forget.
I'll be buying this on BD when it is released.

Craig,

If you were at the Michigan theater in Ann Arbor when they had the live organ I was there the same night.

Art

great news! it don't matter that much if the print was in bad condition. as long as it exist and in viewable condition is good enough. I rather have a complete movie in bad condition, than a movie that is incomplete that's in great condition.

^ agreed! This release can't come soon enough.

Craig,

If you were at the Michigan theater in Ann Arbor when they had the live organ I was there the same night.

Art

Yup... I believe we were. :D
Just an excellent movie.
One of my true all time favorites.

One thing I really like about threads like this is that you can see who the true film lovers are. :cool:

So...
Do lurkers count?;)

ted

Wow. Either the "found" copy is in great shape or it's going to be on an extra disc, presented as best they can.

Wouldn't the film be on nitrate or whatever the rather explosive film stock was? And wouldn't the film be sticking together? Surprised that it doesn't take a while to just stabilize the film stock, let alone restore it.

Well the original news release stated it was found back in January. So assuming it comes out late in 2009 that would mean they've had it for over 1.5 years to stabilize, restore, press, etc.

Brandon

So...
Do lurkers count?;)

ted

Lurkers never count!

;) :p

The news just keeps getting better and better. :)

Well I watched The Seventh Seal tonight on BD . I'd never seen this film before and the PQ was through the roof. An interesting film from a very different time in film making. As somber as it was there was one scene I laughed out loud (obviously intended).

Art

Art,
Are you talking about Ingmar Bergman's Seventh Seal on Blu-ray?
Excuse my lack of being up on things but this is news to me!

Well An interesting film from a very different time in film making.

Art

There still exists film makers making these types of films today - Bela Tarr, Carlos Reygadas, Apitchatpong Weerasethakul, Abbas Kiarostami quickly come to mind.

Good night.

To see what HD can do for the old B/W silents, check out the 1923 "History of Petroleum" from the supplements of "There will be blood" on BD. Color me impressed.

....and I second the inclusion of the Georgio Moroder version. Does that make me less of a real film lover? I enjoyed the colorized King Kong as well :)

To see what HD can do for the old B/W silents, check out the 1923 "History of Petroleum" from the supplements of "There will be blood" on BD. Color me impressed.

....and I second the inclusion of the Georgio Moroder version. Does that make me less of a real film lover? I enjoyed the colorized King Kong as well :)

There's a colourised King Kong? I wouldn't mind seeing that, if just for curiousity's sake. And if the Georgio Moroder version of Metropolis was the one with the mood colouring and 80s music (did Queen do the music or am I just getting confused by their Radio Ga Ga video?) then I liked it too. :D I've only see it once though, about 20 years ago. And yes, I had seen the regular version before that at least once.

Art,
Are you talking about Ingmar Bergman's Seventh Seal on Blu-ray?
Excuse my lack of being up on things but this is news to me!

It's available as an import from the UK. The disc is region free.

http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/seventh-seal-bluray-50th-anniversary-special-edition-p-13241.html

Art,
Are you talking about Ingmar Bergman's Seventh Seal on Blu-ray?
Excuse my lack of being up on things but this is news to me!

Yes, Xploited has it.

Art

I heard somewhere that 23 minutes were recovered. Does this mean its not the whole film? I also heard that the 16m reduction was a 35mm print that was in the same collection, which was as a whole donated to the film museum. THey should search for the 35mm print it came from before tarting an expensive restoration. I would love if they could have the whole film in 35mm quality.

I heard somewhere that 23 minutes were recovered. Does this mean its not the whole film? I also heard that the 16m reduction was a 35mm print that was in the same collection, which was as a whole donated to the film museum. THey should search for the 35mm print it came from before tarting an expensive restoration. I would love if they could have the whole film in 35mm quality.

It simply does not exist.

It simply does not exist.


Every time a new version of this flick comes out there are always lost minutes "found". I don't know what to believe any more.

Every time a new version of this flick comes out there are always lost minutes "found". I don't know what to believe any more.

I was referring to the original 35mm negs.

I refuse to believe something doesn't exist until there is unrefutable proof and/or confirmation of its destruction. Is there? Most films are classified as lost because no one has found them, and that is a bad reason when film archives are so underfunded and understaffed that they don't know what most of the films preserved in their archives are.

There's a colourised King Kong?

And if the Georgio Moroder version of Metropolis was the one with the mood colouring and 80s music (did Queen do the music or am I just getting confused by their Radio Ga Ga video?)

Yup, King Kong in glorious fake colour:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare/kingkong.htm

and the Giorgio Moroder Metropolis - Here's a quote from one of those resources we're not supposed to mention:
1985 Restored version produced by Giorgio Moroder. This version incorporates previously "lost" footage, colorized tinting in certain scenes, & a modern score including such artists as Pat Benatar, Bonnie Tyler & the late Freddie Mercury. Because of Mercury's involvement with this project, Moroder allowed Queen to use bits of the film in the video for the song "Radio Ga-Ga".
As far as I know this has never been released on DVD, only Laserdisc and that ancient video tape system...

I heard somewhere that 23 minutes were recovered. Does this mean its not the whole film? I also heard that the 16m reduction was a 35mm print that was in the same collection, which was as a whole donated to the film museum. THey should search for the 35mm print it came from before tarting an expensive restoration. I would love if they could have the whole film in 35mm quality.
It is not the whole film. There is one sequence (the monk in the cathedral) that was at the end of a reel and is damaged beyond repair. Other than that the film is complete. About 20-25 minutes were found, but there are still 5 minutes missing.

The 35mm print no longer exists. It was owned by a film collector who projected it so many times that it started to wear out. At this point he had the 16mm copy made. Later he donated this 16mm copy to the archive. The 35mm original was not given to the archive and is presumed to have been junked.

Someone else in the thread wrote that the music for the restoration was played too fast. This isn't quite the issue. The restoration was transferred onto DVD at an equivalent to 24fps. The original screening of the film is believed to have been at around 26fps and there are markings on the original score to indicate that this was the speed that the score was composed for. That being said, the film would probably play better at around 20fps. That would suggest that a new score should be used or the original score needs to be rearranged.

I have read a posting on another forum from an employee of Kino to the effect that they will release the new restoration on BD when they get it from FWMS/Transit Film. This presumably won't be next year, as it will take some time for the restoration to be done (hasn't started, they only found the film in April). Undoubtedly there will be a new tour of the film around the world before the video releases, as there was for the most recent restoration. That doesn't preclude Kino releasing the film on BD without the restored parts, but I can't see them doing that given the publicity for the found pieces.

Interesting article on the 2000-2001 restoration:

http://www.alpha-omega.de/English/E_metropolis.html

It is not the whole film. There is one sequence (the monk in the cathedral) that was at the end of a reel and is damaged beyond repair. Other than that the film is complete. About 20-25 minutes were found, but there are still 5 minutes missing.

The 35mm print no longer exists. It was owned by a film collector who projected it so many times that it started to wear out. At this point he had the 16mm copy made. Later he donated this 16mm copy to the archive. The 35mm original was not given to the archive and is presumed to have been junked.

Someone else in the thread wrote that the music for the restoration was played too fast. This isn't quite the issue. The restoration was transferred onto DVD at an equivalent to 24fps. The original screening of the film is believed to have been at around 26fps and there are markings on the original score to indicate that this was the speed that the score was composed for. That being said, the film would probably play better at around 20fps. That would suggest that a new score should be used or the original score needs to be rearranged.

I have read a posting on another forum from an employee of Kino to the effect that they will release the new restoration on BD when they get it from FWMS/Transit Film. This presumably won't be next year, as it will take some time for the restoration to be done (hasn't started, they only found the film in April). Undoubtedly there will be a new tour of the film around the world before the video releases, as there was for the most recent restoration. That doesn't preclude Kino releasing the film on BD without the restored parts, but I can't see them doing that given the publicity for the found pieces.


Oh, so it's just a 5 minute scene that's missing. That's better. At least this make the remaining part of the film easier to find because there is so little left to be found. Still it is PRESUMED to have been junked. I am a dreamer. I'd like to think its in the basement of some old woman's house in Argentina or something. But although the chances are high of that particular print being lost, there is still a chance those 5 minutes could be somewhere. Was there just enough damage that they might be able to use a few frames to flesh out the missing space? That would work just as well for me. It doesn't take too much to create an at least generally competent restored image with enough money, and I'm sure they plan on spending a lot.

I refuse to believe something doesn't exist until there is unrefutable proof and/or confirmation of its destruction. Is there? Most films are classified as lost because no one has found them, and that is a bad reason when film archives are so underfunded and understaffed that they don't know what most of the films preserved in their archives are.

Very optomistic, but a position I'd prefer to take myself.

Art

Here is my only worry.

When Kino did the DVD they cheaped out on the PAL-NTSC conversion which resulted in ghosting and combing. I dumped it in favor of the superior MASTERS OF CINEMA PAL-DVD of the same restoration. MASTER'S PAL of FAUST also blows Kino's out of the water with extra footage and a cleaner transfer. Come to think of it their NOSFERATU is a tad better too.

So I'm hoping Kino doesn't blow this, or a Euro-release may be the best bet again.

Let me also say that I would walk on hot coals for a Blu-ray of PASSION OF JOAN OF ARCH. If a better film exists, I've never seen it.

Very optomistic, but a position I'd prefer to take myself.

Art

Me too. but negs of silent films are quite rare indeed.

However, I believe the restoration of PASSION OF JOAN was from the only existing 35mm print of the original edit, and was found in a locker of a mental institution less than 20 years ago.

Oh, so it's just a 5 minute scene that's missing. That's better. At least this make the remaining part of the film easier to find because there is so little left to be found. Still it is PRESUMED to have been junked. I am a dreamer. I'd like to think its in the basement of some old woman's house in Argentina or something. But although the chances are high of that particular print being lost, there is still a chance those 5 minutes could be somewhere. Was there just enough damage that they might be able to use a few frames to flesh out the missing space? That would work just as well for me. It doesn't take too much to create an at least generally competent restored image with enough money, and I'm sure they plan on spending a lot.
I've found out some more detailed information which partially contradicts what I wrote before. The collector donated the 35mm print to the archive in the 1960s. The archive made the 16mm reduction print from the 35mm print and then discarded the 35mm print. So the 35mm print no longer exists. Also the bit that is still missing is described as follows: Contrary to some reports, virtually all the missing scenes are present on the Argentine print, the single exception being a small portion at a reel end. So the missing portion may be less than the 5 minutes previously reported. However the found parts are in poor condition and cannot be restored to a state where they will look as good as what we already have on DVD.
When Kino did the DVD they cheaped out on the PAL-NTSC conversion which resulted in ghosting and combing. I dumped it in favor of the superior MASTERS OF CINEMA PAL-DVD of the same restoration. MASTER'S PAL of FAUST also blows Kino's out of the water with extra footage and a cleaner transfer. Come to think of it their NOSFERATU is a tad better too.

So I'm hoping Kino doesn't blow this, or a Euro-release may be the best bet again.
Transit did the remaster of the restoration in PAL. They then supplied a copy of the new master to Kino. There was no NTSC master to give to Kino, so they had to convert it. This should not be an issue for Blu-ray provided Transit master the new restoration in the HD domain.

Transit did the remaster of the restoration in PAL. They then supplied a copy of the new master to Kino. There was no NTSC master to give to Kino, so they had to convert it. This should not be an issue for Blu-ray provided Transit master the new restoration in the HD domain.

I know they had to , they just didn't do a very-good job.

I have seen clips from the footage found and I'm sure it could look similar on DVD (not necessarily blu ray). All they'd have to do would be to inpaint all those scratches, which is possible. I've seen it done. All I asked was if there enough sub intact frames at the reel's end to forge a somewhat restored version of that brief portion. Also, does the fact that the film is complete with less than 30 minutes added mean the film would only be 210 minutes at its intended 20 fps?

I have seen clips from the footage found and I'm sure it could look similar on DVD (not necessarily blu ray). All they'd have to do would be to inpaint all those scratches, which is possible. I've seen it done. All I asked was if there enough sub intact frames at the reel's end to forge a somewhat restored version of that brief portion. Also, does the fact that the film is complete with less than 30 minutes added mean the film would only be 210 minutes at its intended 20 fps?

I have no problem with an inevitable dip in quality, just because Blu-ray can present more detail than a heavily compromised source such as this found footage, is no reason to buy keep it off BD or get a DVD if you're into HD.

It's the nature of the beast with silent films, and is a concession worth making.

I've found out some more detailed information which partially contradicts what I wrote before. The collector donated the 35mm print to the archive in the 1960s. The archive made the 16mm reduction print from the 35mm print and then discarded the 35mm print. So the 35mm print no longer exists.
Whoever in this archive decided to toss the print made a very questionable decision.
Now, I'm aware the print is nitrate and for safety reasons you can not just store it anywhere so either it needs special storage or must be separated from other prints. But still, not realising that you sit on the only complete version of the probably most analysed film of the silent era and managing for 40 years not to tell the world and junk the only 35mm element of this version is a massive failure for an institution with the goal to collect and safeguard films.
I can hear the excuses: We had no funds. We had no storage room. We had no staff. We had no time to catalogue our holdings.
They had the funds, the staff and the storage room to make a 16mm copy and keep it, though. What exactly went down at this archive???

Whoever in this archive decided to toss the print made a very questionable decision.
Now, I'm aware the print is nitrate and for safety reasons you can not just store it anywhere so either it needs special storage or must be separated from other prints. But still, not realising that you sit on the only complete version of the probably most analysed film of the silent era and managing for 40 years not to tell the world and junk the only 35mm element of this version is a massive failure for an institution with the goal to collect and safeguard films.
I can hear the excuses: We had no funds. We had no storage room. We had no staff. We had no time to catalogue our holdings.
They had the funds, the staff and the storage room to make a 16mm copy and keep it, though. What exactly went down at this archive???

Also, consider that in looks like it was run through sandpaper. It's probably a "bathtub" print.

Also, consider that in looks like it was run through sandpaper. It's probably a "bathtub" print.

Ok, I'll bite. What's a bathtub print?

Probably akin to bathtub gin. No entry in wikipedia or google.

I believe a bathtub print is the same as a "bicycle print", as in it was an illegitimate photochemical copy of a print made by a theater owner. They were generally hastily made optical duplications that seriously degraded the quality of the print. Imagine a film, printed through standard N/IP/IN/P process, duplicated to another print through IN/P process, run through a projector 5 million times by an extremely incompetent projectionist, and then optically duplicated to a 16mm negative in less than optimal argentinian film labs. The quality, video wise, of a print like this, is very, very low, and it's remarkable it looks as good as it does. did you notice the blown out contrast on the video? Either the transfer facility did a quick transfer for press use, or the optical generations are so great that they have naturally increased contrast to a ridiculous level.