Thats the main reason why I haven't purchased one yet. Any info would help.

Thats probably the main reason why I haven't purchased one yet. Any info would help.

I doubt it, as Sony would have to source an entirely different (and likely more expensive) HDMI "chipset," or whatever it is they're called.

Almost certainly not in the forseeable future (next year or two). Sony is focused on lowering the costs of the system right now and that does not include putting in pricier hardware.

Just out of curiosity, does it really make a huge difference to have your receiver decode the audio vs. the PS3? In other words, what is the benefit?

Just out of curiosity, does it really make a huge difference to have your receiver decode the audio vs. the PS3? In other words, what is the benefit?
Contrary to belief the PS3 does not decode everything. Bitstream would solve that problem.

Thats the main reason why I haven't purchased one yet. Any info would help.

If I had to give it a % chance I'd say 25% that it will ever happen. If you're asking about the next year ...I'd say 1%.

In all practicality we should acknowledge that if they ever do, it will have nothing to do with sales/marketing and everything to do with supply/manufacturing costs. None of us know what type of contract they're in with the current chip manufacturer and for how long. When that runs out there's a chance that the most cost-effective means of manufacturing PS3s will be with a standard chip that is HDMI1.3a compliant.

So to answer your question, I would just assume it'll never happen and either buy the PS3 or something else. Besides, depending on your AVR, bitstreaming may not even help you and the PS3 already decodes all of the high resolution audio formats.

Contrary to belief the PS3 does not decode everything. Bitstream would solve that problem.

What doesn't it decode that it cannot already bitstream?

Brandon

Contrary to belief the PS3 does not decode everything. Bitstream would solve that problem.

uhhhh . . . .please name one codec present on the DVD or blu ray spec that the ps 3 doesn't decode. :confused:

some people think it sounds better decoded by the receiver. Other people beleive it sounds the same which it should. I don't have a reciever that can decode, so its not something that I can test, but I think its a snake oil thing. They should sound the same whatever decodes it.

uhhhh . . . .please name one codec present on the DVD or blu ray spec that the ps 3 doesn't decode. :confused:
"The PS3™ system does not support playback of DTS-ES and DTS 96/24 for DVD-Video or DTS-ES Matrix for Blu-ray Discs." These are limitations of the PS3 in decoding for output via LPCM the DTS-ES and DTS 96/24 audio formats.

"The PS3™ system does not support playback of DTS-ES and DTS 96/24 for DVD-Video or DTS-ES Matrix for Blu-ray Discs." These are limitations of the PS3 in decoding for output via LPCM the DTS-ES and DTS 96/24 audio formats.

Where are you getting that quote from?

The PS3 can decode DTS-ES on DVD. However the last channel has to be matrixed. If that annoys you, it can already be bitstreamed, which is what I implied earlier.

And the PS3 can decode DTS HD HR ("I'm assuming this is what they mean by DTS-ES Matrix for Blu-ray Discs") and DTS HD MA.

Brandon

Where are you getting that quote from?

The PS3 can decode DTS-ES on DVD. However the last channel has to be matrixed. If that annoys you, it can already be bitstreamed, which is what I implied earlier.

And the PS3 can decode DTS HD HR ("I'm assuming this is what they mean by DTS-ES Matrix for Blu-ray Discs") and DTS HD MA.

Brandon
From Sony's website...

"The PS3™ system does not support playback of DTS-ES and DTS 96/24 for DVD-Video or DTS-ES Matrix for Blu-ray Discs." These are limitations of the PS3 in decoding for output via LPCM the DTS-ES and DTS 96/24 audio formats.

Sony should give an option to allow decoding for high bit-rate audio only and bit-stream all others. DTS-ES Matrix, DTS-ES and DTS96/24 can all be bit-streamed with the current chipset right? It is annoying that you have to figure out what audio codec is used on a particular disk then switch to bit-stream when appropriate

Sony should give an option to allow decoding for high bit-rate audio only and bit-stream all others. DTS-ES Matrix, DTS-ES and DTS96/24 can all be bit-streamed with the current chipset right? It is annoying that you have to figure out what audio codec is used on a particular disk then switch to bit-stream when appropriate
Thank You!

This thread is about bitstreaming NOT decoding. If you can get sound without limitations from bitstreaming why not go for it.

This thread is about bitstreaming NOT decoding.

Yes, but your own reasoning for saying bitstreaming is necessary is because it will not decode certain tracks, which either is misleading or isn't true. The PS3 can already bitstream every legacy codec, so asking for bitstreaming of them isn't necessary. The only trouble the PS3 has decoding of the HDR codecs is specific New Line Cinema 7.1 DTS HD MA tracks because of the matrixing issues.

It still decodes and sends it as a 5.1 DTS HD MA track. If you absolutely need the 2 rear channels on a handful of older blu-rays, then you'll have to wait for a firmware fix or get a player that bitstreams (even though bitstreaming of certain tracks to certain AVRs has the same exact problem with losing the 2 rear center channels).

By the way, I can't find that quote on Sony's site. Can you provide a link for it? Is it in the PS3 online manual?

Brandon

Yes, but your own reasoning for saying bitstreaming is necessary is because it will not decode certain tracks, which either is misleading or isn't true. The PS3 can already bitstream every legacy codec, so asking for bitstreaming of them isn't necessary. The only trouble the PS3 has decoding of the HDR codecs is specific New Line Cinema 7.1 DTS HD MA tracks because of the matrixing issues.

It still decodes and sends it as a 5.1 DTS HD MA track. If you absolutely need the 2 rear channels on a handful of older blu-rays, then you'll have to wait for a firmware fix or get a player that bitstreams (even though bitstreaming of certain tracks to certain AVRs has the same exact problem with losing the 2 rear center channels).

By the way, I can't find that quote on Sony's site. Can you provide a link for it? Is it in the PS3 online manual?

Brandon
When I said all audio codecs I also included Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio. I know they make stand alone players that can do the job quite well. But I was talking about the PS3 in general sir.

Yes, but your own reasoning for saying bitstreaming is necessary is because it will not decode certain tracks, which either is misleading or isn't true. The PS3 can already bitstream every legacy codec, so asking for bitstreaming of them isn't necessary. The only trouble the PS3 has decoding of the HDR codecs is specific New Line Cinema 7.1 DTS HD MA tracks because of the matrixing issues.

It still decodes and sends it as a 5.1 DTS HD MA track. If you absolutely need the 2 rear channels on a handful of older blu-rays, then you'll have to wait for a firmware fix or get a player that bitstreams (even though bitstreaming of certain tracks to certain AVRs has the same exact problem with losing the 2 rear center channels).

By the way, I can't find that quote on Sony's site. Can you provide a link for it? Is it in the PS3 online manual?

Brandon
http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/About/SystemUpdate Don't forget to scroll down.

In a nutshell it would be more convenient if it could DECODE everything or BITSTREAM everything lossy or lossless.

I would say that is the only thing holding it back from being the ultimate Blu ray player on the market!

I'd say the lack of IR is a bigger flaw myself. And the noise. And the power usage.

I am not trying to knock it; I use a PS3 as a BD player but it has its disadvantages, too.

Just pick up the $10 Nyko ir remote for the ps3 and use it to program your universal remote. PS3 can be completely IR controlled doing this (minus power on/off).

It couldn't be easier to switch and can be done on the fly. If the only reason anyone is not buying a PS3 is because it cannot bitstream as discussed they are missing out. Having to do it counts for a 1% deduction IMO and so not getting a PS3 for the OP's reason is like throwing out 99% for the 1%. I think it is all perspective. For me it and other "issues" with the PS3 aren't even issues. I really don't think that way. I put a movie in and do what I have to do in order to get it to play. I see it as accepting a CE device as is and it is part of the hobby.

some people think it sounds better decoded by the receiver. Other people beleive it sounds the same which it should. I don't have a reciever that can decode, so its not something that I can test, but I think its a snake oil thing. They should sound the same whatever decodes it.

i dunno about blu-ray but one of my family guy dvd sets i set the ps3 to bitstream and the sounds were much more full and crisp.

Sony should give an option to allow decoding for high bit-rate audio only and bit-stream all others. DTS-ES Matrix, DTS-ES and DTS96/24 can all be bit-streamed with the current chipset right? It is annoying that you have to figure out what audio codec is used on a particular disk then switch to bit-stream when appropriate
doesn't it say on the back of the packaging "dolby digital" and stuff like that? Or am I missing the point?

Yes, but your own reasoning for saying bitstreaming is necessary is because it will not decode certain tracks, which either is misleading or isn't true. The PS3 can already bitstream every legacy codec, so asking for bitstreaming of them isn't necessary. The only trouble the PS3 has decoding of the HDR codecs is specific New Line Cinema 7.1 DTS HD MA tracks because of the matrixing issues.

It still decodes and sends it as a 5.1 DTS HD MA track. If you absolutely need the 2 rear channels on a handful of older blu-rays, then you'll have to wait for a firmware fix or get a player that bitstreams (even though bitstreaming of certain tracks to certain AVRs has the same exact problem with losing the 2 rear center channels).

By the way, I can't find that quote on Sony's site. Can you provide a link for it? Is it in the PS3 online manual?

Brandon

so the ps3 can't matrix a 5.1 DTS-MA HD track into 7.1 if produced by new line cinema??

i don't see a compelling reason for them to even consider making the ps3 bitstream additional audio (adding/changing hardware).

you would have to have a reciever that has an HDMI repeater but isn't capable of decoding HD codecs? if there was such a device, i'd bet it's been discontinued or updated by now.

just glancing at Onkyo's current reciever lineup, only the TX-SR576 can read HDMI input and doesn't list decoding ability for some formats, even though it might...but it's also only HDMI v1.2.

funnily enough, i have an Onkyo reciever that can decode all of these formats but only passes through HDMI =(

i dunno about blu-ray but one of my family guy dvd sets i set the ps3 to bitstream and the sounds were much more full and crisp.

Set all DVD't to bitstream. DTS MA, Tru HD and PCM set to LPCM.

The PS3 is The Bluray player for Sony. Why o why would they want it to bitstream when a properly spec bluray player is to do all audio decoding and mixing. Note your AVR can't do mixing, that is the players job since it involves reading specific files from the disk. Yes some players can do bitstreaming but with limitations and the bluray spec calls for the players to output the audio without limitations. Yes 3rd party vendors keep coming up with new audio codecs and I would expect more in the future. I would expect the updates to the PS3 to decode the new codecs to come later rather than sooner. My disappointment isn't with the bitstreaming just the slow speed at which they implement new codecs.

I wouldn't be concerned with DTS 96/24. That was a codec designed for better audio on DVD, but I don't know of a single title that actually uses it.

Set all DVD't to bitstream. DTS MA, Tru HD and PCM set to LPCM.

Yes, if they would seperate these two setting selections, life would be good.

i dunno about blu-ray but one of my family guy dvd sets i set the ps3 to bitstream and the sounds were much more full and crisp.

generally that means that your receiver can't handle multichannel pcm. if that's the case, the ps3 sends stereo, and your receiver converts that to 5.1 using pro logic which WOULD sound like crap compared to a real dolby digital bitstream, but it doesn't mean that bitstream is better than pcm- it just means your receiver can't handle multichannel pcm.

so the ps3 can't matrix a 5.1 DTS-MA HD track into 7.1 if produced by new line cinema??

newline mastered some of their discs strangely, and that causes the problem.

As an update, firmware 2.4 includes additional DTS support:

According to famitsu in Japan information, news comming from Sony Of Japan the new firmware 2.40 will add the following features not mentioned before?



Friends list has been expanded from 50 to 100
Linear PCM Output Support has been added to Music.
You can now print folders under Photo that Organized by Month, Year or by Album Name.
Support for the following has been made Both for DVD & Blu-Ray Playback: DTS-ES , DTS 96/24, DTS-ES Matrix.
In addition the ability to upconvert media via external storage i.e user created content can now be upconverted.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14198293#post14198293

Plus users are reporting that they fixed the 7.1 decode issues for the New Line Cinema DTS-MA encodes.

As an update, firmware 2.4 includes additional DTS support:


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14198293#post14198293

Plus users are reporting that they fixed the 7.1 decode issues for the New Line Cinema DTS-MA encodes.
I read some PS3 owners had some issues with this update and Sony pulled the update off their website.

I wouldn't be concerned with DTS 96/24. That was a codec designed for better audio on DVD, but I don't know of a single title that actually uses it.

Gladiator on DVD is DTS-ES 96/24. Great movie with great sound.

Gladiator on DVD is DTS-ES 96/24. Great movie with great sound.

Are you sure? DTS 96/24 wasn't introduced until 2001, after Gladiator was released on DVD (and the later edition did not have DTS).

They should release a newer version that Bitstreams... They would be smart to do it...

Why? Any receiver that can accpet the bitstreamed audio should also accept the multi channel PCM. Personally I'd rather they put their effort fixing other issues.

Will Sony make a PS3 in the "future" that can bitstream all audio codecs?

Thats the main reason why I haven't purchased one yet. Any info would help.
That's a good question.

I feel it's whatever Sony deems important at the time of revisions. If costs allow it, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't implement it. I think only the their current home theater demographic would be upset, and those enthusiasts would likely sell their current one and simply purchase a new PS3 if bitstreaming is that important to them.

If anyone recalls, the original PS2 wasn't a progressive scan DVD player, and Sony changed the hardware to include it on version9.

They should release a newer version that Bitstreams... They would be smart to do it...
I Second That Emotion!

I think that if they do release a new version that passes audio as a bitstream, it will probably be in a new major revision. What I mean is, when it comes time to produce a drastically different model in looks (like a "slim" version), they may change the chipset while they're at it.

It probably won't get much fanfare. Could you imagine them trying to advertise such a feature to the general public, who doesn't know what TrueHD or DTS-HD MA is?

I doubt bitstreaming of the audio codecs will happen for a few reasons, the primary being that besides a few people here, the majority of the public will notice or miss them. They're just happy they bought Bose speakers. We got a long way before bitstreaming lossless audio will be a primary requested feature.

The other reason would be political which is that Sony, Panny, and others do want to sell standalone players as well. Sony doesn't want to subsidize BD players in the long run and the other CE OEM's will not want to compete against the PS3 going forward.

The PS3 was a perfect trojan horse and it's done it's job against HD-DVD, but going forward this is not what the ps3 is all about. If decoding vs. bitstreaming is really your requirement, try Panny, Pioneer, and other upcoming BD players. Next year at this time I'm sure we'll have cheaper players below the ps3 for everyone to choose from.

-Splints

The PS3 was a perfect trojan horse and it's done it's job against HD-DVD, but going forward this is not what the ps3 is all about. If decoding vs. bitstreaming is really your requirement, try Panny, Pioneer, and other upcoming BD players. Next year at this time I'm sure we'll have cheaper players below the ps3 for everyone to choose from.

-Splints
Bravo. excellent post and observations. I guess Sony sold the Trojan horse as a do all box, and people expect that now. To heck with actually going out and building a HT piece by piece with each piece hand picked for it's abilities and how it will interact (work) with the rest of your HT equipment (thats how it used to be done) It seems that (people think) the PS3 is a do all box that can solve all HT problems with a software upgrade.... I dont think so. CE Manfus. have other interested, and if you REALLY want those top of the line features, be prepaired to pay for them, with dedicated equipment.