So the 80GB MSG4 PS3 is SOLD OUT! NO Problem, FCC SAYS New PS3 on it's way!

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Sum&calledFromFrame=N&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=809146&fcc_id=\

Sweet!!!!!..........Wait. What is this thread about?

Damn! ANOTHER SKU?! :rolleyes:

Hopefully it'll bring BC back. Mine doesn't have it but a few of my buddies who want one don't want to linger onto their PS2s and if a model comes out that offers more BC than the 80gb model, I'ld trade it in a heartbeat (wished I had done it from the get go)

So if I am reading the implication of this post right, my translation is:

Now there is an official FCC entry for a new 80GB PS3 model. This would also imply that the PS3 MGS4 bundles were, in fact, still using stock containing the older 90nm Cell processors and the new FCC entry most likely has changes to the Cell being used, the RSX, the board or all of the above.

So if I am reading the implication of this post right, my translation is:

Now there is an official FCC entry for a new 80GB PS3 model. This would also imply that the PS3 MGS4 bundles were, in fact, still using stock containing the older 90nm Cell processors and the new FCC entry most likely has changes to the Cell being used, the RSX, the board or all of the above.

I think you are correct :)

I believe this new model shows it will be after sometime after August 12th 2008!

So basically, whoever purchased the MGS bundle, like me, got screwed by getting the Motorstorm's sloppy leftovers? That kinda makes me angry. I knew all that crap about Sony saying the Motorstorm bundle selling like hotcakes is total BS. Apparently they were holding them to bundle it with MGS.

So does this mean no more bundles until this is released? I've got a couple buddies that got on board late and are having trouble finding the MGS bundle.

So basically, whoever purchased the MGS bundle, like me, got screwed by getting the Motorstorm's sloppy leftovers? That kinda makes me angry. I knew all that crap about Sony saying the Motorstorm bundle selling like hotcakes is total BS. Apparently they were holding them to bundle it with MGS.

There are quite a few people that would love to have that MGS4 bundle. It's been less then 30days, so you can still return yours if you like.

Although I think it's ridiculous to base your purchase off how many nm your CPU is, but that's just me.

There are quite a few people that would love to have that MGS4 bundle. It's been less then 30days, so you can still return yours if you like.

Although I think it's ridiculous to base your purchase off how many nm your CPU is, but that's just me.

How many nm the CPU is determines if my PS3 will run loud or quiet. Plus its the fact that I waited so long to purchase a PS3 but ended up with a more dated version than the current 40gig PS3. But then again, I will never purchase a PS3 that doesn't have B/C. IMO, I think thats just ridiculous and a poor decision on Sony's part as they are screwing over their customers by taking out that feature that cost almost nothing in the first place.

How many nm the CPU is determines if my PS3 will run loud or quiet.

I would not agree with this conclusion. The nm of your CPU is one factor that may contribute to this, but the manner in which your thermal compound is spread across your heatsink, the contact of your heatsink with your cpu, and other factors probably play a larger role. For this reason there are people with 40gb PS3's complaining about noise, and there are people with 60/80gb PS3's reporting quiet systems.

There are quite a few people that would love to have that MGS4 bundle. It's been less then 30days, so you can still return yours if you like.

Although I think it's ridiculous to base your purchase off how many nm your CPU is, but that's just me.

I got in on the $100 giftcard offer from Walmart.

Old 90nm cell processor or new 65nm processor.. I feel like I got the possible deal. If I had the choice between a $499 MGS 80gig bundle with the old processor and a $100 giftcard.. or a $499 new 80 gig with the new processor.

I'd make the same choice I did all over again.

There are quite a few people that would love to have that MGS4 bundle. It's been less then 30days, so you can still return yours if you like.

Although I think it's ridiculous to base your purchase off how many nm your CPU is, but that's just me.

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I would not agree with this conclusion. The nm of your CPU is one factor that may contribute to this, but the manner in which your thermal compound is spread across your heatsink, the contact of your heatsink with your cpu, and other factors probably play a larger role. For this reason there are people with 40gb PS3's complaining about noise, and there are people with 60/80gb PS3's reporting quiet systems.

Agreed.

IMO, I think thats just ridiculous and a poor decision on Sony's part as they are screwing over their customers by taking out that feature that cost almost nothing in the first place.

In all seriousness, how do you know how much it cost? And they had to get the price of the system down, what would you have taken out?

How many nm the CPU is determines if my PS3 will run loud or quiet. Plus its the fact that I waited so long to purchase a PS3 but ended up with a more dated version than the current 40gig PS3. But then again, I will never purchase a PS3 that doesn't have B/C. IMO, I think thats just ridiculous and a poor decision on Sony's part as they are screwing over their customers by taking out that feature that cost almost nothing in the first place.

I have a launch 20GB ( $95 upgradto 160GB Fujitsu HDD) model that is silent. What nm CPU do I have?'

I do think they should have made it so every sku has BC. Hopefully through another firmware update via software emulation they will do that for those that don't have BC.

In all seriousness, how do you know how much it cost? And they had to get the price of the system down, what would you have taken out?

According to Jack (http://kotaku.com/gaming/spin/jack-tretton-says-dropping-bc-wasnt-for-cost-measures-312628.php), it didn't reduce the costs that much at all.

We all know more PS3 bundles and variations are on the way. This new version may very well have the 65/45nm chips but will they be BC and SACD capable? Sony has been moving in the direction of downgrading, not upgrading, the PS3. Sure bigger HD are always out there and given time don't cost any more than smaller ones did a couple years ago. The additional chips and power supplies to run all those systems don't drop in price all that much. They'll want the new version of the PS3 to be $399 and have a larger HD. To do that cuts will have to be made. I can think of one place those cuts will be made.

So does this mean no more bundles until this is released? I've got a couple buddies that got on board late and are having trouble finding the MGS bundle.

Tell them to look down by the "Bay".;)

We all know more PS3 bundles and variations are on the way. This new version may very well have the 65/45nm chips but will they be BC and SACD capable?

That whole SACD compatibility is such BS.

Honestly, how many people do you guys know that even know what SACD really is, or even own any SACDs?

Oh please...

As for BC, well, you can always buy a PS2 off Ebay for like $25 (used) if you're dying to play all your old PS2 games.

Me? I'm moving on...

And my PS2? Thanks for the memories.

Life goes on - systems evolve. I've got an 80GB MGS4 that I'm more than happy with. If I need a bigger HDD I can swap it out. If the 40GB is any sign I'd say that BC is going to go the way of the dinosaurs as time goes on.

Just like the 360 the PS3 will get smaller and more efficient but the system itself will remain the same. It will play the same games, etc, etc, etc.

I made the mistake of getting the 360 Elite because of hopes of quieter..etc, etc and really - it didn't matter in the end (although the 120GB HDD is nice).

So basically, whoever purchased the MGS bundle, like me, got screwed by getting the Motorstorm's sloppy leftovers? That kinda makes me angry. I knew all that crap about Sony saying the Motorstorm bundle selling like hotcakes is total BS. Apparently they were holding them to bundle it with MGS.

Just so you know, Sony will probably continue to change the PS3 as they see fit throughout it's production run. You may want to return your PS3 and see what they come out with in 2015. That may be the last SKU of the PS3. Hope this helps.

That whole SACD compatibility is such BS.

Honestly, how many people do you guys know that even know what SACD really is, or even own any SACDs?

Oh please...

As for BC, well, you can always buy a PS2 off Ebay for like $25 (used) if you're dying to play all your old PS2 games.

Me? I'm moving on...

And my PS2? Thanks for the memories.

Those things are clearly not important to YOU. SACD is important to me. I never owned a PS2, don't have any games, and yes you can get a ps2 dirt cheap. Still for some people, for their own reasons, want BC. I could take BC or leave it personally but the SACD can't be had for dirt cheap.

I think of BC as a bonus (which I don't have with my 40GB). I grew up with game consoles starting with the Atari 2600 and then Nintendo systems, skipping the N64/PS1 going to PC gaming, barely using a GC and PS2 and now have a XBox 360 and PS3. There was never BC in any of those consoles prior to the PS2. Why make a big deal about it now? BC in the past meant that you dusted off your old console. It is only in this generation that all three consoles have some form of BC. I have too little time as it is with so many new games that I don't want to play old stuff.

I think of BC as a bonus (which I don't have with my 40GB). I grew up with game consoles starting with the Atari 2600 and then Nintendo systems, skipping the N64/PS1 going to PC gaming, barely using a GC and PS2 and now have a XBox 360 and PS3. There was never BC in any of those consoles prior to the PS2. Why make a big deal about it now? BC in the past meant that you dusted off your old console. It is only in this generation that all three consoles have some form of BC. I have too little time as it is with so many new games that I don't want to play old stuff.

Well there are titles, for example MGS4, which encourage you to play the previous iterations to get caught up on the story before undertaking the new game. I think playing the previous games can really increase a person's appreciation of MGS4.

So perhaps for some people backwards compatibility is not a big deal, but in general I do think consumers really appreciate having it. It's a much more elegant solution then having an older system hooked up to your tv. The fact that all 3 consoles offer backward compatibility in some form shows us that this feature is fairly well received and not just 'fluff'.

Consumers can still upgrade to 100% backward compatibility for $129.

Consumers can still upgrade to 100% backward compatibility for $129.

That's also the current going price for a Guitar Hero 1, Guitar Hero 2, Guitar Hero: Rock the 80s adapter for the PS3, too...

So perhaps for some people backwards compatibility is not a big deal, but in general I do think consumers really appreciate having it. It's a much more elegant solution then having an older system hooked up to your tv. The fact that all 3 consoles offer backward compatibility in some form shows us that this feature is fairly well received and not just 'fluff'.

The situation with the 40GB does suck, but the system was not selling at $499 and they had to get the price down. It was an act of desperation more than anything IMO.

Im surprised by both the people who care what the internals of their systems are spec'd at, and also about backwards compatibility. For starters, just answer the question "Does my PS3 work and am I happy with it?". If its yes, then who gives a rat's as$ what the internal components are, how hot they run, etc. Its amazing how much focus people pay to this stuff nowadays.
Next, who is still playing PS2 games? If its really that important to you, why not just hook up a PS2 beside your PS3? Anyways, not a surprise at all about the new SKU.

Next, who is still playing PS2 games?

I am. I have played and plan to play the following recently:

Gran Turismo 4
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Dark Cloud 2
Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter
Final Fantasy XII
Shadow of the Colossus

The PS2 library is great, and has lots of games in genres the PS3 and 360 suck at (like RPGs). Plus, it does upscaling, virtual memory cards, and a wireless controller. It's much better than my creaky launch PS2.

Im surprised by both the people who care what the internals of their systems are spec'd at, and also about backwards compatibility. For starters, just answer the question "Does my PS3 work and am I happy with it?". If its yes, then who gives a rat's as$ what the internal components are, how hot they run, etc. Its amazing how much focus people pay to this stuff nowadays.


It's the curse of the internet. I'd be willing to bet most of these people don't even know what the hell they're bitching about. But the internet apparently makes everyone some kind of engineer just by spouting off about nanometers and using the code names of chipsets.

I don't know what the guts of my PS3 or either of my 360's are...and I don't care. I'm too busy enjoying all the great software out there to be bothered.

No offense meant to the actual engineers and development professionals here on the board, your knowledge is always appreciated.

The situation with the 40GB does suck, but the system was not selling at $499 and they had to get the price down. It was an act of desperation more than anything IMO.

Why does it suck? I had the choice between a 40GB and 80GB Motorstorm bundle when I made my purchase. I chose to get the 40GB because the "upgrades" on the 80GB wasn't worth the extra $100. I have no complaints about the 40GB.

Now if the 80GB had direct IR input then I would have an 80GB right now!

Im surprised by both the people who care what the internals of their systems are spec'd at, and also about backwards compatibility. For starters, just answer the question "Does my PS3 work and am I happy with it?". If its yes, then who gives a rat's as$ what the internal components are, how hot they run, etc. Its amazing how much focus people pay to this stuff nowadays.
Next, who is still playing PS2 games? If its really that important to you, why not just hook up a PS2 beside your PS3? Anyways, not a surprise at all about the new SKU.

I just purchased the Playstation 2 (and the Playstation 3). I find myself playing the PS2 more than the PS3 at the moment, mainly because I missed out on some great games. I'm having a blast with Okami, God Hand, SMT: Persona 3 FES, SMT: Nocture, RE4, Kingdom Hearts I and II, Burnout 3 Takedown, FFX, Dragon Quest VIII. My point being, the PS2's sheer size and variety of the game library still makes it a great system. And it would be great for consumers to have backward compatibility with the added benefit of upscaling because the games don't look all that great on my 52 inch LCD.

We as consumers don't expect less from new technology. I do want BC on my PS3. Also, I have the 40 GB PS3, and I can tell you without a doubt that even on the 40 GB, my room markedly gets warmer with it running. I can just imagine how much warmer the 90nm chip runs. I have no doubt it can function has a mini heater during the winter. But during the summer, even my 40 GB's heat output can get a bit annoying.

Also, I have the 40 GB PS3, and I can tell you without a doubt that even on the 40 GB, my room markedly gets warmer with it running. I can just imagine how much warmer the 90nm chip runs. I have no doubt it can function has a mini heater during the winter. But during the summer, even my 40 GB's heat output can get a bit annoying.


That's why I bought a PS3! With oil prices so high I thought I could supplement my home heating costs with my game console! I may get a 360 as well.

Just so you know, Sony will probably continue to change the PS3 as they see fit throughout it's production run. You may want to return your PS3 and see what they come out with in 2015. That may be the last SKU of the PS3. Hope this helps.

I don't think you fully understand my point. Its like buying the last SKU in 2015 but later finding out its the exact same SKU from 2010 except bundled with a game.

I don't think you fully understand my point. Its like buying the last SKU in 2015 but later finding out its the exact same SKU from 2010 except bundled with a game.

If it worked great, why would you care?

Not bc. I bought the 60gb because bc is important to me.

In all seriousness, how do you know how much it cost? And they had to get the price of the system down, what would you have taken out?

I don't think you fully understand my point. Its like buying the last SKU in 2015 but later finding out its the exact same SKU from 2010 except bundled with a game.

No, its more like buying the last SKU in June 2008 but later finding out its the exact same SKU from February 2008 except bundled with a different, better game.

Not bc. I bought the 60gb because bc is important to me.


So... what would you take out? They had to take out something which achieved some cost savings and did not affect the core functionality of the system. So they went with 2 USB ports, BC chips, and flash readers. Other than Wi-Fi I don't know what else they could have done.

Also, I have the 40 GB PS3, and I can tell you without a doubt that even on the 40 GB, my room markedly gets warmer with it running. I can just imagine how much warmer the 90nm chip runs. I have no doubt it can function has a mini heater during the winter. But during the summer, even my 40 GB's heat output can get a bit annoying.

In the summer, I have to turn on the AC with the PS3 and 360. They output tons of heat.

Coming soon:
PS3 120GB Bundle w/Little Big Planet

Next, who is still playing PS2 games? If its really that important to you, why not just hook up a PS2 beside your PS3? Anyways, not a surprise at all about the new SKU.

*raises hand* I am still playing PS2 games. Just last night I was playing MGS3, actually. I also plan to play through Resident Evil 4 again before RE:5 launches.

The reason I would not want a PS2 next to a PS3 is for aesthetic reasons. It's just not an elegant solution. The PS3 can handle backward compatibility, and that's a feature that I use and is therefore important to me.

There are likely many features that are important to you, but I might not make use of them (for example, SACD). I'm sure there are other people out there who could care less that the PS3 can play blu-rays, yet to me it's a huge selling point.

The point is, just because you find some feature to be superfluous (backward compatibility, Folding at Home, internet browsing, blu-ray, dvd upscaling, dolby True-HD, DTS-MA, ect, ect) does not mean that other individuals will not find that feature to be absolutely essential for them.

To illustrate this point, I know some individuals who purchased several PS3 systems *strictly* to use as folding machines. Now I do value the ability to fold, but I would not say this is what I consider an essential..........yet for these other individuals it was.

Edit: As for the noise issue, let me just say that from personal experience assembling computers, I will say that I do not consider the nm of the cpu to be a really big factor when it comes to noise levels. The biggest factor is the design of the heatsink and fan, and other factors include how well the thermal paste was spread on the heatsink/cpu, and how well they are contacting each other.

Picture this: There is a person in a factory who's job it is to attach the heatsink to the cpu of each PS3. Hey may have to do hundreds every single day. Surely he is not a robot, so not every single PS3 system will have the exact same amount of compound applied to them, and they also will vary slightly in the way they conduct heat from the cpu to the heatsink/fan.

Now going beyond the 1 person example........maybe there is a person who likes to get as many PS3's done as possible in one day, just because that is his personality. So throughout the day he is rushing to get as many systems done as possible, and of course all the systems still pass the quality check (since they work!). However, since he is assembling them so quickly, perhaps they are more prone to heat issues, which may cause the fan to kick into high gear. This does not affect the functionality of the machine, it still works fine, it will just be slightly louder.

There might be some other person who is a slow paced individual, and he may decide to do each system absolutely perfectly. Perhaps he can only do 100 systems a day versus the other person who can do 500 a day. His systems will probably tend to be quieter since he is so meticulous in the way he applies thermal compound to the heatsink and then the way he carefully seats the heatsink on the cpu to ensure maximum contact.

Just saying the noise issue boils down to how many nanometers your CPU happens to be is really an oversimplification. That is likely not a big factor at all when it comes to noise. It's just an easy explanation that the general public can grasp. No one in the computer world thinks that a lower nm CPU means a quieter computer............that mainly is attributed to other factors such as heatsink/fan, case design, ect.

Now if you care about power usage........yes a lower nm cpu will be more power efficient.......but again I really do not think it is a big factor when it comes to noise output.

So when can we get our hands on this? I'm confused by the link...it says the FCC ID is "\"

*raises hand* I am still playing PS2 games. Just last night I was playing MGS3, actually. I also plan to play through Resident Evil 4 again before RE:5 launches.

The reason I would not want a PS2 next to a PS3 is for aesthetic reasons. It's just not an elegant solution. The PS3 can handle backward compatibility, and that's a feature that I use and is therefore important to me.

There are likely many features that are important to you, but I might not make use of them (for example, SACD). I'm sure there are other people out there who could care less that the PS3 can play blu-rays, yet to me it's a huge selling point.

The point is, just because you find some feature to be superfluous (backward compatibility, Folding at Home, internet browsing, blu-ray, dvd upscaling, dolby True-HD, DTS-MA, ect, ect) does not mean that other individuals will not find that feature to be absolutely essential for them.



I know what you are getting at, but I dont buy it that backwards compatibility is essential for anyone. Its nothing more than a niceity, even for folks like you who still play lots of your old games. Why? Because you are still capable of playing your old games. Most people with old games, have the system to play them. Aesthetics is not enough of a reason for a company like Sony to really care if it means sacrificing some other aspect of the system (or even cost). At some point you've got to cut the cord.

I don't think you fully understand my point. Its like buying the last SKU in 2015 but later finding out its the exact same SKU from 2010 except bundled with a game.

I dont see how your point is valid at all. The unit is advertised as an 80GB PS3 with Metal Gear Solid. Thats what you bought... thats what you got. If you made assumptions on its components, then that is your fault.

When I bought my HDMI xbox for $166 shipped on ebay(thanks to a 35% Microsoft rebate), I assumed that it had the falcon core. Later I found out that having HDMI doesnt automatically mean that you will have the faclon core.

But whose fault would that have been if I didnt get a falcon? I wouldnt have anyone to blame but myself. (Thankfully, I do have th falcon core)

Yea, its obviously not essential. But I do think Sony does really care (and that is why we will soon BC on 40GB sooner or later) and did not want to do it. BC makes the PlayStation brand much much stronger. I mean, with my one PS3 I can play virtually any game released with the "PlayStation" tag released in the past 13 years, from Battle Arena Tohshinden to Metal Gear Solid 4.

And I do think it makes a fair number of people more receptive to buying a new system - it doesn't become a replacement, but an upgrade. And it won't make people feel like their old games are garbage, even if they will never play them. It's a good marketing tool.

I dont see how your point is valid at all. The unit is advertised as an 80GB PS3 with Metal Gear Solid. Thats what you bought... thats what you got.

Exactly, Sony never said or hinted that it would be a 65NM chip inside the PS3. It was just stuff people were hoping for. Well, that's fair and all but you can't get pissed that things didn't live up to your hopes and dreams.

I dont see how your point is valid at all. The unit is advertised as an 80GB PS3 with Metal Gear Solid. Thats what you bought... thats what you got. If you made assumptions on its components, then that is your fault.

When I bought my HDMI xbox for $166 shipped on ebay(thanks to a 35% Microsoft rebate), I assumed that it had the falcon core. Later I found out that having HDMI doesnt automatically mean that you will have the faclon core.

But whose fault would that have been if I didnt get a falcon? I wouldnt have anyone to blame but myself. (Thankfully, I do have th falcon core)

Seriously--The only way you can possibly justified with being annoyed with buying an 80GB PS3 with MGS is if it says on the box "Now, with smaller CPU that results in less heat and power usage" only to find out later that it's a lie.

I know what you are getting at, but I dont buy it that backwards compatibility is essential for anyone. Its nothing more than a niceity, even for folks like you who still play lots of your old games. Why? Because you are still capable of playing your old games. Most people with old games, have the system to play them. Aesthetics is not enough of a reason for a company like Sony to really care if it means sacrificing some other aspect of the system (or even cost). At some point you've got to cut the cord.

I personally sold my PS2 and accessories to help fund the PS3. Sony is in this to make a profit.......if they did not think backwards compatibility would help sell more systems, they would not put it in.

In all the polls I've seen asking consumers if backwards compatibility mattered.......it's been pretty much unanimous that people want that feature.

Let's put it this way, would anyone want a blu-ray player that does not play DVD's? I mean *everyone* has a DVD player these days, why do you *need* that feature on a blu-ray player when you can still use your old DVD player?

Despite that fact (that everyone already has a DVD player) I think if some company were to sell a blu-ray player without backward compatibility, then it would just not sell very well.

Yea, its obviously not essential. But I do think Sony does really care (and that is why we will soon BC on 40GB sooner or later) and did not want to do it. BC makes the PlayStation brand much much stronger. I mean, with my one PS3 I can play virtually any game released with the "PlayStation" tag released in the past 13 years, from Battle Arena Tohshinden to Metal Gear Solid 4.

And I do think it makes a fair number of people more receptive to buying a new system - it doesn't become a replacement, but an upgrade. And it won't make people feel like their old games are garbage, even if they will never play them. It's a good marketing tool.


The last I heard, Playstation 2s were still selling pretty well. Heck, I just purchased one myself. I think it would behoove Sony to offer BC on all their models and discontinue the Playstation 2 to force people to buy the PS3 for their PS2 gaming needs. Just imagine being able to download hundreds upon hundreds of Playstation 2 games over the Playstaiton Network and being able play them flawlessly on the PS3 with properly upscaling on a HDTV. I love my Playstation 2, but I sorely miss the upscaling on some of the games.

I personally sold my PS2 and accessories to help fund the PS3.

Or you could not sell the PS2 and get the 40GB for $100 less than the one with BC.

Or you could not sell the PS2 and get the 40GB for $100 less than the one with BC.

I got $200 or so for my PS2 when I first purchased my PS3 (at launch).

How many nm the CPU is determines if my PS3 will run loud or quiet. Plus its the fact that I waited so long to purchase a PS3 but ended up with a more dated version than the current 40gig PS3. But then again, I will never purchase a PS3 that doesn't have B/C. IMO, I think thats just ridiculous and a poor decision on Sony's part as they are screwing over their customers by taking out that feature that cost almost nothing in the first place.

Hmm I swear I was just reading how Sony's Game Division has eaten a 3 billion dollar loss subsidizing the actual console cost and "passing" those savings on to the consumer. Now it isn't because they are altruistic, they knew there is a price where nobody will buy. Still how dare they sell me something that is worth more than I paid!

With the volumes that Sony is trying to sell, a few dollars per unit matter.

I personally sold my PS2 and accessories to help fund the PS3. Sony is in this to make a profit.......if they did not think backwards compatibility would help sell more systems, they would not put it in.

In all the polls I've seen asking consumers if backwards compatibility mattered.......it's been pretty much unanimous that people want that feature.

Let's put it this way, would anyone want a blu-ray player that does not play DVD's? I mean *everyone* has a DVD player these days, why do you *need* that feature on a blu-ray player when you can still use your old DVD player?

Despite that fact (that everyone already has a DVD player) I think if some company were to sell a blu-ray player without backward compatibility, then it would just not sell very well.
The reason all the polls you have supposedly seen are "unanimous that people want that feature" is because they are loaded polls. If you ask a message board full of video gamers with libraries full of PS2 games, "Do you want backwards compatibility with the PS3 - Yes - No"....what do you think the majority would say? Now, if you ask "Will backwards compatibility make or break your decision to buy a PS3 -Yes-No", you will get a different answer. Comparing a Blu-Ray player that doesnt play DVD to a PS3 that doesnt play PS2 games is apples to oranges. Surely you can see that. The gaming industry and the movie industries are different. Gamers buy new systems to play new games. Average Joe isnt going to want to replace his entire DVD library when he switches to a new format.

....Gamers buy new systems to play new games.....

How do you know they are only used for that? I think you know what Davio wants in a new system. You don't know what I want in a new system. I happen to have an older 80 gig PS3. My PS3 library consists of seven games. My PS2 library is over 50. Which doesn't include the FFX and FFX-2 that I bought about 2 weeks ago. I want the ability to play new and old games on a system. Just because the games are old doesn't mean they are no longer enjoyable. If the laser or drive mechanism on the older system breaks, should I just throw the old games away, when its possible to have the newer system play the old and new?

A hint...not everyone wants 12 video game systems laying about their living room/game room, etc.

If BC doesn't work FOR YOU, then fine, but don't try to convince others that its not important if they desire it.

How do you know they are only used for that? I think you know what Davio wants in a new system. You don't know what I want in a new system. I happen to have an older 80 gig PS3. My PS3 library consists of seven games. My PS2 library is over 50. Which doesn't include the FFX and FFX-2 that I bought about 2 weeks ago. I want the ability to play new and old games on a system. Just because the games are old doesn't mean they are no longer enjoyable. If the laser or drive mechanism on the older system breaks, should I just throw the old games away, when its possible to have the newer system play the old and new?

A hint...not everyone wants 12 video game systems laying about their living room/game room, etc.

If BC doesn't work FOR YOU, then fine, but don't try to convince others that its not important if they desire it.

I didnt say "they are only used for that", or that the "old games arent enjoyable", or anything of that nature. I said gamers buy new systems for new games...(and/or in this case Blu-Ray as well)

Some people don't understand what makes the PS3 a truly great system. This thing does everything, bluray, DVD upconversion, SACD, media player, PS3/2/1 games, web browser even. Any one item or even several items may not matter to a single individual. However it's broad appeal is it's multiple functions. AV racks only hold so many devices and this system does it all for $500. Crippling these capabilities, even a little, really destroys what this system is all about. There are better bluray players out there, well at least 1, better upconverting DVD players, better media players and of course you can always have a PS2/1 and web tv/PC. How much will all that cost though? This thing can do it all and is a gateway for many people that never had any of those capabilities before. There are many people looking to get into HD and need a bluray player that never had a PS2 but could be interested in picking a couple of the better titles up. Yes there are better solutions for each individual function but who wants a big rack of electronics and you can have it all in a single system? Well there are a few people that do obviously and that is fine. For the rest of us, this gets us everything we need.

This thing does everything, bluray, DVD upconversion, SACD, media player, PS3/2/1 games, web browser even.

You forgot about flash card reading!

Seriously, though, you're correct. That is why I have long been an advocate of dual-SKUs, one stripped down SKU like the 40GB which gives people PS3, Blu-Ray, DVD, streaming, etc., and a higher priced system with BC. The problem is the 80GB has not been adequately stocked this year.

The dual-SKU option makes much for sense with a PS3 than a 360 IMO.

I don't think you fully understand my point. Its like buying the last SKU in 2015 but later finding out its the exact same SKU from 2010 except bundled with a game.

No, I understand your point, i just think it's incredibly silly.
If the size of the die of the processor is a REALLY BIG ISSUE for you, then you should have done the research my friend. I don't see how you can blame Sony at all for this.

Perhaps you can ask them to put the detailed schematics of the PS3 on the box, so it will help you make the decision on whether to buy the PS3 or not. I think Sony probably put the most pertinent information on there as is.

BTW, I have a 60GB launch PS3 and I love it!

I wish someone would fix the thread title so it says "its" instead of "it's". It bothers the hell out of me!

I wish someone would fix the thread title so it says "its" instead of "it's". It bothers the hell out of me!

Imagine that, a grammar major on a message board! :) You must wince after reading every other page.

I wish someone would fix the thread title so it says "its" instead of "it's". It bothers the hell out of me!

Does it bother the hell out of you that you're a knucklehead? :D

It's is the proper usage. The contracted form of "it is".

ITS, it's or its can mean:

"its", the possessive adjective and possessive pronoun form of the personal pronoun it
"it's", a contraction of "it is" or "it has"

FCC says new PS3 on it is way?

You defined "It's" correctly, but the thread title is indeed grammatically incorrect:

...FCC SAYS New PS3 on it's way!

I'm sure you'd agree that it wouldn't be proper to write it as:

...FCC SAYS New PS3 on it is way!

"it's and its" is one of the many quirks of the English language that bug the hell out of me.

I like "your" and "you're" used incorrectly just as well. Also "alot" is a lot of fun too, would you write alittle? And the always butchered "their" (belonging to them), "there" (a place), and "they're" (they are)!

Now back to backwards compatibility.

That was odd, I didnt seem to here the grammar polices sirens, but sure enuff here they are. Is their nothing left to discus concerning the actual topic of the thread? :)

Gwa ha ha! I refuse to talk correct on the internets!!!

You defined "It's" correctly, but the thread title is indeed grammatically incorrect:



I'm sure you'd agree that it wouldn't be proper to write it as:

$hit! I'm the knucklehead. One of those deals where you read it correctly despite it being written wrong. I could have sworn it said "It's on the way"...ha ha... I are stoopid.

Sorry! :o

(I really DO know how to properly use its/it's, I SWEAR!)

$hit! I'm the knucklehead. One of those deals where you read it correctly despite it being written wrong. I could have sworn it said "It's on the way"...ha ha...

Sorry again! :o

If you were smart, you would have edited your post and responded "I don't know what you're talking about!" ;)

There's only one grammar error on the internet that really bugs me for some unknown reason. It's when someone use the word "loose" when they mean to say "lose". I don't know why that annoys me.

There's only one grammar error on the internet that really bugs me for some unknown reason. It's when someone use the word "loose" when they mean to say "lose". I don't know why that annoys me.

Don't loose your mind over it.

If you were smart, you would have edited your post and responded "I don't know what you're talking about!" ;)

Nah, my wankery shall live on in the archives of AVS for posterity. Keeps ya humble. ;)

It is summer...
School's Out :)

Don't loose your mind over it.

Not five minutes after my last post did I see this MGS4 post elsewhere on the internet:

Then when Liquid's boat was surrounded, I absolutely had no idea what was going to happen at that point, and I wasn't let down when Liquid let lose.

That's the first time I've seen it screwed up the other way, and it bugs me just as much :p.

Backwards compatibility is the most overrated feature on gaming consoles ever. If you're buying a next gen console, odds are it's to play mostly next gen games. If you have a backload of previous gen games then odds are you already have the previous gen console.

Still, it's nice to have BC for streamlining purposes, so as to not have several generations of consoles still hooked up to your TV. I'm sure many of us have enough rat's-nest problems behind our setups without having to keep Playstations One through Seventeen hooked up. It's not a necessity, but it's sure a nice bonus.

Yeah, I like that I can still play Einhander, Omega Boost, Grandia, Final Fantasy XII, Shadow of the Colossus, etc etc, on my PS3. I like BC for streamlining and because I can trade in or sell the old console towards the purchase of the new one.

The strange thing about BC is that I really like having it...but hardly ever use it.
I probably should've saved the $100 with a 40 gigger. Now if the Guitar Hero guitars worked properly, BC would have been a no brainer for me.

So if I am reading the implication of this post right, my translation is:

Now there is an official FCC entry for a new 80GB PS3 model. This would also imply that the PS3 MGS4 bundles were, in fact, still using stock containing the older 90nm Cell processors and the new FCC entry most likely has changes to the Cell being used, the RSX, the board or all of the above.

I must be missing something. Where is the proof that this is an 80GB? My understanding is that 120GB drives or larger were likely to be included.

There's only one grammar error on the internet that really bugs me for some unknown reason. It's when someone use the word "loose" when they mean to say "lose". I don't know why that annoys me.

Or when someone says "sales" instead of "sells". That happens a lot on this board.

Could this new unit also have the 65nm RSX in addition to the 65nm CPU?

Also: I see the 8/12 date, but how do you know that that is the release date? Did it say a future date in the previous PS3 FCC listings that eventually became the release date?

How many nm the CPU is determines if my PS3 will run loud or quiet.
No, it really doesn't, except on stupid flameboy boards.

I've got a very quiet 60GB folding away to prove it. :p

No, it really doesn't, except on stupid flameboy boards.

I've got a very quiet 60GB folding away to prove it. :p

I guess I'm the only one that cares what's under the hood. I suppose if it does what it does, then I should be happy right? Regardless of how loud it runs.

I guess I'm the only one that cares what's under the hood. I suppose if it does what it does, then I should be happy right? Regardless of how loud it runs.
Clean it. ;) (Either that, or don't run it in an 85 or 90 degree room and expect it to be silent)

I mean, I care, in a geek-interest sort of way, and in the slightly-lower-power-bill way, but does it make a real difference to me that I don't have some 45nm wonder-chip? No. I don't even have that in my almost 4 times the price laptop. ;)

But do I care enough to get even the tiniest bit bothered about it? No. I'm far more bothered that my cell phone sucks and the new version is coming out very soon and I just bought a different expensive new toy a couple of weeks ago.

I guess I'm the only one that cares what's under the hood. I suppose if it does what it does, then I should be happy right? Regardless of how loud it runs.

You can care, but if you want a 65NM you can easily buy one today. If you want a 65NM that can also do BC and whatever, then you have to wait. Sony's been pretty up front about this from day one.

I didn't think BC would be a big deal, but I got an 80g anyway. Turns out it's been useful a few times. We've gone to Blockbuster to rent PS3 games and they've been out... hard to tell a kid "Sorry, there's nothing here for you", they just don't see life that way. All we have to do is turn around and pick from the PS2 shelf. As said on another thread, most of the time kids don't care about graphics or gameplay, they just want to pick something they know and go run around. Last time we picked up PS2 games is a perfect example, she grabbed Shrek and ... oops, forgot, but it was another animated movie game.

Clean it. ;) (Either that, or don't run it in an 85 or 90 degree room and expect it to be silent)



My PS3 is only a lil over 2 weeks old and I live in San Francisco (where the whether never reaches above 65 degrees). However, I do have it stacked on top of my HD-XA2, maybe those two don't play nice so close together.